The Carnivore Diet [Science Explained]
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You can find me in my bunker, hiding. 😋
lmao unga bunga intensifies
Do not hide, you are doing awesome work. (But please shout the diabetes results with a megaphone!).
Just treat it like teaching a university course albeit 10 yrs ago when differing views and options were encouraged and not seen as ‘hate’, trolling, being a D/Karen or god knows what else. 😂 In ten yrs we’ll prob have mult good controlled and or mult yr independent studies vs self hackers across mult disease/body systems to have an accurate assessment. Side note: same findings for CVD and diabetes with all plant based diets incl lowering insulin for T1.
Your sacrifice will be remembered
Hey, bunker boy,
Informative, interesting and entertaining as always. Ultimately we must eat what we feel comfortable with, be it carnivore, vegetarian, vegan, keto, Mediterranean or "sensibly varied". Beware of those with an evangelical gleam in their eye proselytizing about diets
8 out of 10 people still smoke...I took my data standing outside a cigar lounge 😉
Brilliant sample. :)
Data is accurate..
Sadly this is the context which most miss about a vast majority of nutrition studies.
I'd argue even our LDL data is also biased by context. What I wouldn't give for some solid data sectioned out by actual diets to better identify the contextual position of the U/J curves of individuals.
May I add that a lot, if not all, of the medical benchmarks for diseases/health are based on a carb based population. How much of those markers will change if established on an animal based, low carb, high fat population? Just the need for vitamin C is already different.
Bias! LOL!😊
The numbers while hopeful, can also follow any similar belief curve, of any dogma.😢 again the power of positive thinking, kinda.
My partner went 100% carnivore as a desperate act to heal herself. She'd been on pain meds for years, and her pain was getting worse. Within 3 weeks it had cured her arthritis, her tinnitus, and her menopausal hot flushes. She's been 100% carnivore for over 5 years now, and is in good mental and physical health. She takes no pain meds or medication of any kind. Weirdest thing I've ever seen.
WOW!
Could that be because she gave up sugar, pastries, pasta, bread, sweets containing artificial aromas & colorants & preservatives?
@raresmircea yeah, almost certainly
@@raresmircea So how do you explain the many clean eating vegans who have also been saved by going carnivore? Were they just 'doing it wrong'?
Ok, arthritis gets better with weight loss. Tinnitus could have been from high blood pressure, which is also decreased by weight loss. The heat flashes often go away by themselves. Nothing an other weight loss inducing diet, that is less risky could have done.
That was actually painless. Your concerns are simply correct and valid in a diet that does not have long term scientific evaluation and relies on ship loads of real life non-science. I'm 100% carnivore for some of the reasons you mentioned (low inflamation & lower insulin resistance). My choice is strictly health related and politics have nothing to do with it. Higher LDL is well known in the low carb community - you don't have to go all the way to carnivore/zero carb to elevate LDL. So, not counting the rabid few, you should be safe in our community.
Thanks!
I think he's confused us with Vegans :) is it even possible to be or stay mad after a 25oz steak? 😀
@@doman9891 he gets swarmed by carnists on every video
Still, carnivore is the best diet to elevate your LDL. Avoiding unsaturated fats, fiber, plant sterols, and opting for high saturated and cholesterol foods.
@@dekyor9547 then he should make some Vegan diet to develop a ticker skin 😀I'm following carnivore diet cause it works, if it stops working or more info comes to light about how it wouldn't i'll stop. knowing what to watch out for actually helps with that!
LDL is a concern, but not having to eat greens is defo a bonus! why would I want to eat those things unless I absolutely have to🤮
I am a 100% Carnivore and never been better in all ways. Irrespective of any future findings I will never change. No veg, no fruit,no seed oils, no grains, no processed foods just fantastic health and fitness.
I'm down 65 lb and all of my chronic arthritis pain is gone after 7 months of carnivore.
If "good heart health" ends up being a diet where all of my arthritis comes back... I don't want to have good heart health.
I'd rather live to 70 pain free than 80 and in pain for the rest of my life.
You rock, Mark. Totally fair - I would, too.
I had similar results, but carnivore not needed. For me it was the elimination of seed/vegetable oils, anything with those oils, and processed foods.
Initially I avoided fatty chicken and fatty pork, since their modern diets lead to increased Linolenic acid in their own fat, but after following the above diet for 4-5 years, I eat them on occasion it doesn't seem to cause me major issues. I still limit pork though, excepting bacon.. but that's because I seem to have a sensitivity issue to it. I need to try Low PUFA pork sometime as a test.
That said, animal products are a fairly large portion of my diet, but I don't fret over a little bit of bread or pizza on occasion, and eat rice with 1 or 2 meals a week. I also fast 16-20hours every day, doing OMAD about 1 or 2x a week.
Arthritis and chronic pain gone.
Allergies significantly improved and nearly gone.
All sinus issue and inflammation gone, and along with it my sleep apnea.
About 4 years in I also noted my lifong asthma was gone, and I no longer need medication.
I didn't lose any weight though, am 6'3 220, and could stand to lose 20lbs.. but I also have about 10 alcoholic drinks a week, which probably isn't helping.
70 is pretty optimistic. Many people get their first heart attacks in their 50s. Why do you think you would go up to 70 with a diet based only on animal protein and saturated fat? Best of luck though.
@@UnsensitiveI think there’s so major insight here. My buddy went full carnivore after a particularly nasty genesis of some autoimmune disorder. By extension, he also went entirely PUFA free. He is much better now, but I often wonder how much of it is the carnivore, eating just meat and animal product, and how much is replacing PUFAs with SFAs
Jepp. I think, anyone suffering with chronic health issues/pain can sympathize with that statement. Length of life isn't everything. Quality of life is hugely important.
And you could always do a coronary calcium scan, to check the health of your arteries.
Then you know, what's what. Heart attacks don't just randomly happen, after all. There needs to be a lot of plaque, which usually takes years or even decades to build up. And if it looks, like there's a problem..you can then make a choice.
So at least you acknowledge the benefits that people are seeing from this way of eating. I don't know how long you consider those long term effects to be. But I am 60 years old, reversed diabetes and hypertension, stopped takimg all medicarions and have been doing very low carb or Carnivore for more than 5 years now. I've lost close to 100 lbs and I am keeping it off. Even my eyesight is improved.
I expect to have at most 20 more years to live at this point. I can tell you that from a health perspective, the last 5 and a half years are significantly better than the 10 prior to that. If I get 10 more of those quality years where I don't have to take medications with massive side effects, I'll consider this a big win. I'll see you in 10 years.
I'm guessing the underrated effect of Carnivore diet is protein intake, which many studies have shown that, unless you're a body-builder, you're probably deficient in protein. Muscle decline with age (sarcopenia) is deadly and really difficult to fight off. Some protein researchers are recommending as high as 1.6g/day per Kg of body weight (average 90g protein daily for adults). Also, you need to get all the amino acids, of which meat has plenty, but in most foods amino acids are imbalanced.
I am a 60 year old female with nearly the exact same results (I lost 70 pounds in 7 months). Keto/Carnivore for over 7 years. Vision better, no longer pre-diabetic, resolved gum disease, on no meds, healthy and happy!
I think you missed the point of the video. Basically he was saying, what is clearly bad for health is something like the standard American diet (often just labeled SAD) with its high amounts of highly processed, high caloric, nutrient low, high in problematic foods (like common food allergens like modern wheat, modern corn, non organic and non cultured/fermented soy, etc), high glycemic foods, etc.
Any major change away from that is bound to lead to health increases (like he said, if you watched the whole video). Meanwhile, we don't really need to "guess" what works really well, when we have multiple decades old Blue Zone data and observation. Not one of these diets is very high in meat--not even the Hong Kong group, though it is the highest, because they eat plenty of vegetables, rice, sea weed, etc like many Asians do (they and the Japanese are the Asians with the highest standard of living, which helps a lot). The huge majority of the Blue Zone groups are actually in between low and moderate in meat (with one group mostly vegetarian), but very high in whole food plant foods--particularly heirloom and gardened varieties (this is especially so for the 3 island groups--Ikaria, Sardinia, and Okinawa. These areas/groups of people, which also include 3 entire islands, are all living significantly longer and healthier lives, collectively, than the rest of us.
Of course it is not JUST about diet. They also have higher daily physical activity, are far more involved with their communities, and tend to live more purpose oriented lives. It is the anti-"perfect storm" confluence which leads to their unusual collective health and longevity. But diet is indeed a major factor/variable. And not a "carnivore" among them.
There is a holistic context to this that you are missing. I don't doubt that carnivore diet, short term, can produce some good results, especially in things like weight loss (which, forgive the pun, is huge in its positive effects across the board), but it is high in certain not so great things and low in very good things like fiber and phyto nutrients, both of which *humans evolved on both before we were modern humans and since.*
Meanwhile, my diet is very close to the majority combined Blue Zone diet, and I'm doing great. I've gotten rid of all my blood sugar issues, fatigue, brain fog, etc. And gasp, I still eat some "evil" carbs! But I limit them both in quantity and in kinds, and I NEVER eat them by themselves. They are always eaten with either a lot of fiber, protein, and/or a moderate amount of fat (all of which slows down blood sugar saturation). And mainly I stick to quinoa, whole sweet and regular (especially red and purple) potatoes, oats, buckwheat, lentils, and occasionally a little brown rice. Even less often, a little well sourdoughed teff or Einkorn wheat (ancient and least hybridized wheat).
And I'm not vegan or vegetarian btw. I eat some sardines with bone and skin, some wild Alaskan salmon, some egg yolks (only, can't do the whites), some low fat A2 only cow milk or low fat modern cow milk if it is very well cultured (mostly yogurt), some Romano sheep cheese, etc.
In other words, there are multiple ways to skin a C.A.T. Does it take more research and work to eat the way that I eat as compared to yours? Yes, definitely, but I guarantee for every person that eats like you, there will be 10 who eat like me, who will make it to an older age with less health problems, barring accidents, extreme genetic issues, or the like.
@@justinw1765 I didn't miss the point. I just don't agree with everything he said. But one can disagree without being disagreeable. I also agree with what he said about more studies being needed. The problem is.. The people who have money to do the studies want to make money with the results. Not a lot to do money in non processed food.
@@JohnnyHughes1 The beef/dairy and chicken industries are huge, highly profitable industries that already fund a lot of research. For example, when Layne Norton was at his University and getting his Phd and doing research on protein synthesis, muscular hypertrophy, etc, his research group received funding from the beef/dairy industry. (And even he, who loves meat personally besides the above connection, says that vegetables and fruits are immensely important to long term health).
Why wouldn't they jump on this? They have nothing to lose and plenty of profit to gain. Imagine if it could be proven that carnivore diet, *longterm* was healthier than most other diets? Their profits would soar.
But, they've done enough studies, and have enough real scientists involved, to know that unless they fudged the data (which btw, does sometime happen when profit motivation is involved), such studies would not support this. Because of things like too much cholesterol, too little fiber, too little of certain micro nutrients, too little of phyto nutrients, etc.
More personally speaking--have you looked deeply into the Blue Zone research, and if so, why do you discount it? Why isn't it good enough for you? We're talking millions of people over multiple decades with a much higher rate of longevity and a much lower rate of chronic disease than literally all the rest of us.
If you are evidence and science based, it is hard to argue against imo. Yes, one can argue that it is not all about diet, and I would say of course, and that sword cuts both ways with any diet we look at. I personally don't think it is only about diet in the Blue Zone case or in any. Heck, I know from personal experience, I just feel and function better when just my attitude is more positive and constructive, vs negative, selfish, destructive, feeling sorry for myself, or the like.
I'm a carnivore and I don't take issue with anything you've said here. I'd like to see more studies too. I think the issue is getting the funding for those studies. I believe big food and big pharma are actively disinterested in studying carnivore, because it could negatively impact their bottom lines (not to mention reputations). It's better for them to be able to say "Carnivore has never been studied long term. We just don't know what dangers there are."
Well said.
Actively disinterested = evil incarnate and happy you to sell the poison that puts you in a hospital bed.
We do know the dangers of high LDL-C, and they have been studied well enough.
We know what symptoms vitamin-C deficiency cause.
We know the effects of high red meat consumption on cancer risk.
We know the effect of high saturated fat
We know that many on that diet have elevated LDL-C. There is a scientific consensus that LDL particles are causal in arteriosclerosis.
Many reasons to not to even considered this diet. This diet was and still is seen as an internet trend. There is so few research because this diet is/was not taken seriously.
Come on, one Harvard study about carnivore used social media data and counted satisfaction as a health benefit.
And I think the studies would get enough founding. Think about how giant the meat industry is.
And I mean even big Pharma can profit by increasing sales of allopurinol for all the new gout patients.
I‘m also for more research. There may be a slight benefit for people with autoimmune disease. But one seriously conducted one, that is unbiased as well. If I‘m right and most of the science I mentioned above, I hope people see that it is not safe. Unless they claim it all would be a big conspiracy against them of the scientists.
You nailed it. That is exactly right.
big food? How is it not in the interest of the meat industry to fund carnivore diet studies? It would skyrocket their sales. There is huge incentive to fund science for the carnivore diet.
Completely agree that there needs to be more long-term studies into the carnivore diet. I have been on a carnivore diet for nearly 10 months, and I have to say that I've never felt so good. I have so much more energy, a much clearer mind and thought processes. I am 56 years old and have lost 60 pounds, gained more muscle mass and I'm now running around and working construction like I did when I was in my 20's with no more aches and pains. I now sleep like a baby (apnea gone) and my wife, and I are enjoying a whole new love life (wink, wink). If years down the road the carnivore turns out to be bad for me, I am completely okay with that, because my health prior on the Standard American Diet just about killed me and I'll never go back.
Thank you for honest opinion on the carnivore diet. 🙂
That was fair. I was clean keto for a few months before going carnivore, so eating natural wasn’t enough, I had to go carni before my health issues were actually under control. Nice to know that there are tens of thousands of n=1 who found the same or similar results. And no, not the easiest diet to stick to, but it is wonderfully simple!
@JohnnytNatural With all due respect, watch out for the prevailing myth of the balanced diet. Longevity is beyond a healthy diet, although a major part. I’ve seen good longevity among carnivores as much as other diets. Right now the longest lived people are from Hong Kong and they have a very meat heavy diet. Obviously, it’s beyond just their diet, several factors contributed to their longevity.
@JohnnytNaturalwhales seem to have long lifespans and they're carnivores.
To say this diet is for everyone is absurd. I feel most healthy eating lighter meals with some meat. Not only that but eating only meat would get incredibly dull. No sauces, no flavors, just bland misery. Not all of us are meat eating cave men from northern Europe and America.
@WeighedWilson so we are supposed to live like whales now??
I’ve been enjoying and appreciating this channel for a long while but I have to say it’s gotten significantly more interesting since you’ve started putting more of your personality in the videos.
Hey, thanks! I deeply appreciate it - I've been trying to let loose a bit more and show how much fun I have reading studies. Always means a lot when people like to have a 10% injection of personality and humor.
Definitely. ✅
I loved this video and I am a few weeks away from going full carnivore. 😋
The LDL topic is debunked by Dr Anthony Chaffee by the way. 🍖 👌🏼
Onwards and upwards! 📈
Love your style of videos, especially this one. Bravo. 👏🏼
Keep the good scientific evidence based facts coming. ❤️
I don't think I'd rely on Dr. Chaffee, but I appreciate it, C.
Do you have any interest in making a video addressing your specific objections to Dr. Chaffee? I’m sure it would be widely viewed.
@@Physionic Dave Feldman (STEM credentials, but not a PhD) studied the cholesterol question in some depth. IIRC, he found that:
1) High cholesterol is, in fact, correlated with higher heart disease.
2) Simultaneously, high cholesterol is correlated with lower all cause mortality.
3) There are a minority of "lean mass hyper responders" (LMHR) who appear healthy except for absurdly high LDL (Sometimes 300+). As yet, there's no long-term data on LMHRs, so we don't know if there's a level of LDL that correlates with increased all-cause mortality.
Dave suggested that all-cause mortality is a more important measure than heart disease in isolation, so the data says relatively high LDL isn't a problem. However, he also suggested we should further study LMHR. I believe he's crowd-sourced funding for a study.
Coming from an engineering perspective, Dave's analysis and conclusions sounded reasonable to me. I'm not an expert in the field though. If you can find the time, I would love to hear your thoughts on his work.
Dave's published papers:
cholesterolcode.com/papers/
My experience. In 2019 I was diagnosed with non-alcoholic fatty liver disease (NAFLD) with non-alcoholic steatohepatitis (NASH) and F3-F4 fibrosis. I did my research and ended up adopting a ketogenic diet. I lost considerable weight, gained energy and enough strength to begin exercising seriously, and cured all my liver disease as confirmed by a follow-up Fibroscan. It totally changed my life. Eventually I moved more toward a diet consisting almost exclusively of animal sourced foods, although I will occasionally eat a serving of low carb vegetables. A year ago I had a CAC test and scored 119, which for my age of 75 is what would be expected. Time will tell if my CAC score changes. I do take K2 to manage calcium. I also have full time AFib, and cardiomyopathy due to a leaky valve. Despite my heart issues I still take my dog on a 2.4 mile walk every morning (we'd do 3 but he craps out, not me) and do strength training. My heart's ejection fraction has improved from 35% to 45%. My blood pressure stays in the normal range without medication. I don't know if my diet and lifestyle will allow me to live longer than I would have otherwise, but I do know that I am stronger and feel better than I have in decades, and that's enough for me. I will be an experiment of N=1 and we'll see how it goes. Had I not made the changes I did in 2019, I think there's a better than even chance that I would have died already, I was that ill and weak at the time.
Good for you! As a physiotherapist I cant comment super specifically on the food aspect but the losing weight and exercising is definitely contributing significantly to your health. In my experience, food is less significant as long as you don't eat too much and get all nutrients you need, But maybe that is the only diet that works for you!
Yet another (anecdotal) proof that eating whole food, being physically active, so to balance the "calories in / calories out" parameter, is the way to feel good.
Nothing new under the sun, that's what the official dietary guidelines are telling us forever, and the family doctors as well.
I'm 53, 172 cm tall, 56 kg of weight, eating a lot of carbohydrates, practicing cycling, feeling perfectly.
There are many ways to improve the overall health status of our bodies, but everything brings us back to the good old "eat less, eat better, move more".
All these dietary ideas (low carb, keto, carnivore, paleo, vegetarian, etc) are for the weak who is not able to guide himself along the path of health.
Forgive my English, not my 1st language,
The only diet proven to reverse CVD is the Essesltyn diet.
Were you on bp and cholesterol meds before the switch? I'm starting to believe that medicating symptoms is far worse than testing with behavioral changes.
I am a 65 1/2-year-old male, 5’ 6” tall and weight 137 lbs. Five months ago, I weighed 150 lbs, have been riddled with painful inflammation for decades. I’ve now been on a strict carnivore diet for the past 5 months, and have never felt more energized and stable. No more insulin spikes or crashes. My A1C lowered from 5.7 to 5.2, PSA lowered from 2.659 to 1.956, triglycerides lowered from 154 to 91, glucose lowered from 108 to 83, HDL raised from 42 to 47. My hands no longer shake because of sugar crashing, as I’ve completely eliminated all sugar, foods that turn into sugar and all processed foods. I eat only red meat, beef liver, chicken, salmon, sardines and herring. My waist has gone from 34” to 31”, and I’m a speed demon on the pickleball court. Carnivore has re-energized my life! Okay, my LDL raised from 130 to 239, and my total cholesterol from 199 to 315. I refuse to go back to the Standard American Diet, where I lived in pain and struggled with my weight. I agree with one commenter who believes good luck waiting on the food industry to conduct such research.
I would like to see some long term studies as well! Every time I stray away from an animal based diet, I feel awful and this is coming from a former 2 year vegan who was taking 30 supplements a day and felt awful. I feel the best I’ve ever felt eating this way. No more sleepless nights from horrible stomach pains or back pain and I have non stop energy all day long!
Hey, if it works for you, more power to you. Also, the cholesterol thing can be mitigated by eating fatty fish. My problem with this diet is the same problem I have with the vegan and keto diets: a toxic online community that spews out lots of dangerous untruths. In the case of your diet, it's for example that "LDL cholesterol doesn't matter". If some of the idiots repeating this lie only said that you can keep your LDL in check my mixing in salmon and sardines, they would have provided a good defense of their diet without lying, but they chose to embrace the worst aspects of what they advocate with pride.
@phillustrator - I hear that. Someone on another channel said : " LDL is protective. You need MORE of it ! " 🙄
I doubt there will be any new studies on carnivore. There is no money to be made and it threatens Big Food.
I've had to cut out a lot of certain trigger, problematical foods (and not just plant foods, but also egg whites, A1 casein mixed cow milk unless it is very well cultured like yogurt and very sharp, well aged/cultured cheeses). For plant foods, all modern wheat, (and most gluten in general * ) modern corn, non organic non cultured/fermented soy, and peanuts.
* I very occasionally have some well sourdough cultured Einkorn wheat (one of the most ancient and least hybridized forms). Doesn't seem to bother me when it is both well sourdoughed and Einkorn. I also occasionally drink some barley based beer, but there is very little gluten in these.
I don't eat completely plant based, but my diet is very high in whole food plant foods, especially non starchy vegetables. But I supplement with sardines with bone and skin, wild Alaskan salmon, egg yolks from healthy, well treated chickens and ducks, low fat org. yogurt, and A2 casein only milk/dairy from cows, sheep, and goat.
I stopped eating beef and pork when 16 and haven't looked back since (in my mid 40's now). When I'm clean shaven, and at a good weight (neither too skinny nor too high body fat), I look significantly younger than my years, though increasing gray and white hairs are starting to detract (I went through a tremendous amount of stress in recent years, over about a few years period and that is when that started to occur). And I started weight/resistance training a year and a half ago while taking creatine, tongkat ali, and fadogia agrestis, and I'm not sure which one or if it was a combo, but I started to lose a significant amount of hair quickly from the crown area after about a month in. As I had long hair at the time, it was very noticeable. (I'm in the process of trying to reverse that, but stimulating new hair growth is a slow process that you have to be very consistent with).
@@jamescalifornia2964 because there is some truth to it, old people with high LDL live longer, but that is an association study, but also while statins reduce heart disease, they don't improve mortality so lowering LDL (volume) doesn't seem beneficial. Lots of research shows that having a high LDL particle count is a significant risk factor (2-4 times higher risk), so it seems we want high LDL volume but low particle count. Particle count can be estimated from triglycerides and HDL: ruclips.net/video/rdgS3PuSuyg/видео.html
Still 100% in agreement despite being NEARLY carnivore. I must admit that I am stoked that my ad hoc, data driven quasi-analysis is so closely in agreement, and even more so that I cannot see any hint of bias in your work. Might be confirmation bias on my part, but you did portray the results eloquently. Did you consider Vilhjalmur Stefansson?
I was really, REALLY hoping for some answer to the cholesterol BS. There is not world in which I trust the use of statins - I can make my cholesterol go UP with a keto/carnivore diet and then make it go back DOWN with a modified diet. That's anecdotal personal experience, ymmv.
Diet is absolutely KEY to your health, and the FDA, AMA Big Pharma and Big Food all are more interested in your money than your health, quality of life, longevity or happiness.
IF you are diabetic, going carnivore will GREATLY improve your health, might save your eyesight, might give you back your mobility. I'll risk the downsides at this point because you need to still be ALIVE to experience them.
Excellent argument!
I don't have any problem with people (educated or not) - challenging the Carnivore Diet.....but at the end of the video he states that people on the diet should "be wary" of the "negative effects"......and honestly, it's here that he loses me. If I'm on the Carnivore Diet, see the health benefits but - I'm concerned about those "future" negative health impacts - what should I now do? Eat fresh air? Go back to the diet that caused the harm in the first place? What?
It's actually very easy to predict that we're going to all die - no one claimed that the carnivore diet makes you immortal. The question is, what's your quality of life before that fateful day? I'm not a carnivore fanatic, just someone who has experienced the before and after......if our friend has a better way of nutrition that magically offers all the benefits of carnivore but none of the (so called) risks.....then please explain, I'm all ears.
Yes, the video clearly showed his bias
He gave the advice to try in a systematic manner other food groups. That is solid science.
@@jwlee4925 Yozu obviously only see what you want to see. You are a dud in a serious discussion!
The issue is that carnivore dieters are so often ridiculed by people who do not know anything about it or have no experience with it. All i care about is personal experience, and in my life, carnivore has been an absolute game changer. It has transformed my life in so many positive ways. Im 37, ripped, and i feel strong and energetic all day. The proof is in the pudding. Data don’t matter much
Aren’t there plenty of carnivore tribes in the world that have been studied?
50 yrs old, 3.5 yrs carnivore. Love your channel & really appreciate your objectivity & insight.
Thank you, Nic! I really appreciate your doing this. I'm interested in how the data play out over time. You are such an asset!! I'll be interested in your assessment of further studies with time. For now, I'm just having salmon today because I feel so fantastic, I'm seldom hungry, my arthritis and IBS are in remission, and my bone density is up. Maybe it will turn out that it's the ketone bodies and taurine in my diet that are responsible. And the fact that I'm no longer eating the large fiber content i ate for years. You'll help me figure that out with your work
I greatly appreciate you.❤❤
And I always appreciate you, Alice. :) I'm so glad you've been feeling better.
I agree with you. There needs to be studies done in a scientific way on the carnivore diet. The problem is funding. None of the food manufacturers will fund a study that shows their products inferior. Same goes for the drugs companies. Why would they fund a study that shows their pills to be barely useful to a select few? Same goes for the medical profession.
You hit the nail on the head. Big Food and Big Pharma are not going to let anything hurt their vested interests.
You don't think BigBeef & BigChicken would be interested in proving the health benefits of Carnivore?
@@DoggieFosters i dont think big chicken would be interested since chicken is something you sould not mutch of on the carnivore diet way to litle fat in chicken
@@DoggieFostersI do believe a lot of the big poultry producers have other interests. A lot of beef is produced by smaller shops. They don’t have the capital to do large studies like big pharma. That’s why it’s called big pharma.
@@rfbead321this makes zero sense. The cost for these studies is laughable for the beef industry.
Next month marks 40 years since I started the carnivore diet. Should I change now? Why would I want to change? Feeling great with no chronic health issues. Am I worse off that the SAD dieters, or the vegans? You be the judge.
Nah, dont change @chargermopar 😊. The carnivore diet is working well for you. 👍
Wow....
I was on carnivor, only steak, eggs, and salt, diet for 1.5 months. Before I entered carnivor diet, I was on keto for almost two years, with BMI 25, HOMA-IR 1.4, 4 times a week resistance training. I did not take any blood tests while being on carnivor diet, but I remember mental clarity, I was highly productive at work, slept 4 hours a day, and I remember increased libido. In 1.5 months I became emotionally and physically drained, and added at first some honey and berries to my diet and then switched to my regular low carb diet.
I developed brain fog, low testosterone symptoms and constipation after 2 months on the carnivore diet. I started it out of curiosity. I wasn’t overweight prior to starting, nor did I have any autoimmune issues (2 common problems that often spur people on to start the carnivore diet in the first place).
I returned to my omnivore whole food diet and the three issues cleared up almost immediately.
As you allude to, we have to find a diet that works best for ourselves.
@@futureofmoney3527 If you are a healthy weight and don't have any medical issues, then the carnivore diet should not even be a consideration. It's an extreme diet for extreme situations. Some people simply cannot eat in moderation on a balanced diet and become severely obese due to a lack of self-discipline. The carnivore diet helps these people because it makes the food choices super simple for them. And meat is extremely satiating. So it's a good diet for these people, with more benefits than harm. But for a perfectly healthy person, the carnivore would offer more harm than benefits. It just depends on the person, like you said.
@@futureofmoney3527 did you eat dairy? it can cause constipation
@@defeqel6537 I ate eggs (the only dairy I ate).
@@amgis5218 It's so interesting, isn't it? I would guesstimate that 95% or so people who promote the carnivore diet all say things like "I dropped 50 pounds in 2 months" or "my arthritis cleared up after a week!". They already had metabolic health issues. I guess I got sucked in by all the hype. I thought to myself "am I missing a trick here? I feel OK as I am, but am I REALLY feeling OK, or am I used to the way I feel?". It turns out I was feeling OK.
As someone that's mostly carnivore I'd love for you to expand on all the potential long term risks, I don't particularly care to defend something that might kill me long term if it makes me feel real nice now. Alcohol can give me that as well and I stopped drinking it entirely.
I'm here to find out what in general is the best over-all strategy and so far carnivore is not only easy but it along with dairy gives me basically no issues as long as I occasionally throw in the foods high in what you can't find in eggs, cheese, milk, liver, kidneys & meat. I also go for a lot of mono & polyunsaturated fats, cold-pressed extra virgin olive oil & fish juice be it cod-liver or whatever.
I've been looking to reduce the amount of fats I actually get from meat by going as lean as I can in general.
I know this isn't strict carnivore but I am almost entirely just eating animal products and as far as I know I'm not missing any nutritional markers thanks to the occasional fruit & veg. I seem to function best on minimal fibre & carbohydrates, every time I try to introduce more fibre or carbs I just fail & feel worse even after what should be more than enough time to adapt.
I suppose you can call me an avocado carnivore since that's one fruit that's always welcome. Besides that generally I don't mind a handful of berries or nuts, a couple of times a week.
How is it that you say "alcohol makes you feel real nice" and compare it to "carnivore makes you feel nice" when clearly alcohol makes you feel nice only for a while and the next day it makes you clearly suffer. I just don't get the logic. When something makes you feel ok for a year or 10 years that can't be compared to something that makes you feel nice for an hour or two.
@@astromatheo_pl6782 The vast majority of people would feel like shit on the carnivore diet lmao. There’s a reason very few people do it and those that due do it because nothing else has worked. There’s a reasons doctors don’t go recommend the Keto diet for normal healthy people. It doesn’t solve anything a regular diet can’t. A normal healthy person will be better off on a normal balanced diet. We have decades of research on it.
I'm the same. I also use dried herbs and spices for their vitamins and minerals.
Smoking cigarettes takes the stress away, relaxes, and has no adverse affects for many years.
Saturated fat is essential for good health. The researchers who put out the recent study "Diet, Cardiovascular Disease, and Mortality in 80 Countries" found the worst diets were those low in saturated fat and red meat. In the absence of a high fibre diet (actually better than a high fibre diet) saturated fat is essential for comfortable bowel movements.
Eating carnivore cleared up my insulin resistance, all bowels issues, skin issues, brain fog and focus issues, helped me lose weight even in lipodemic areas, I have less body odor, thicker hair, no cavities for years (I lost 2 teeth due to veganism), I breathe better and am way more emotionally even keeled. If my one marker of cardiac risk is still around as apposed to the 5 I had, so be it. My daily diet is pretty boring but it works: 600 g ground beef, 250 g salmon or herring and 15 g liver. Over the past 3 yrs my total cholesterol hasn't really changed hovering at about 205 like it did before carnivore. Thanks for not dissing what is working for so many of us!
Have you listened to him? You eliminated all processed food. That‘s what made it improve.
If you had cavities, well you did not eat healthy when you were vegan.🤷♀️. That points to high sugar consumption.
You can have the same emotional stability by not eating processed reignited stuff, but whole grains nuts, vegetables, legumes, leafy greens and dairy. I know because I have that.
And if you are saying oh it is only one risk factor,ok. But it is the most important one. It is literally the material that clogs your arteries. Be careful with that. Not only with heart attack risk, but stroke or leg perfusion. I know that it is frustrating to hear when you did had so much improvement with that diet, but it does have risks. And it is something neither you or I or anyone can change. It is on you how you wish to react.
If you struggled with lipodema it would be wise though to stay low carb. But low carb still has less saturated fat as carnivore. Just think about it.
It didn't work for you. A lifestyle change did.
It didn't work for you. A lifestyle change did.
@@stellasternchen wow - for someone who doesn't know but a small bit of my whole health journey, you make a lot of assumptions. Did _you_ listen to him? Do you even know the difference between low carb and carnivore? And if there even is one? Maybe being more positive about the success a stranger has had and their increased quality of life and health rather than a theoretical future that may or may not happen and for which the jury does not yet have enough data (as Nic said).
@@cassandragreer6614 Yes, I listened to him. He said to use carnivore as a last resort because it is risky. He said to possibly reintroduce other foods again.
But hey, if you want to ignore all warnings it is on you. The truth hurts sometimes, sorry.
That does not make the science any different. It is what it is. Either change or live with the risk. Not my choice to make.
True, I don‘t know what your journey was.
But you don‘t get cavities from eating leafy vegetables.
I know the difference between low carb and carnivore. There is one. Yes carnivore is technically low carb but excluding many good things about it. Fiber, unsaturated fat, dairy, berries with antioxidants, leafy greens etc..I did low carb for some time, but I changed because I wanted to eat less meat and saturated fat. With lipoedema though you should keep your glycogen stores in your muscles empty, because sugar draws water in. That is achieved best by low carb. There is even a version with less saturated fat by eating chicken and fish not pork and beef.
I don‘t know you. But I do care. Otherwise I would not have answered you in the comments.I did not mean it as an attack, but something to consider.
I do have a lot behind me too, actually struggled quite a bit and I remember fear and excuses held me back. But as I went out of my comfort zone I did start having successes. I mean you have done it before as you changed your diet. What do you have to loose? LDL I guess😅. Well if you feel uncomfortable you always can change back.
It‘s your decision in the end.
And yes there are no long term studies about carnivore. But we do have lots of studies about LDL. You wrote you have an increased value. But it seems you are so convinced to take that risk, I doub‘t you’ll be listening to an other random person on the internet. Let‘s hope I‘m wrong then.
My Gastro without knowing what I was doing said "Keep doing what your doing" after my Colonoscopy. Also dropped 50 lbs at age 56 and feel good. It also helps with my ADHD and keeps me from saying the "truth" to people when it isn't in my best interest.
Great channel! Five days into carnivore, knee pain and lower back pain are gone, why? I’ve been on it 5 weeks and I feel great, Lost 26 lbs in the five weeks. Not sure if it is a life time diet but it does seem to work good for me.
Pretty lucky. No such results here and I missed plants so much! Glad to hear you are willing to adjust as needed.
I had a bad case of dermititis that unfortunately lasted past 20's with no signs of going away. I consulted not one but three dermatologists about abandoning my treatment plan the to carnivore diet and they all said it the same thing: it's not going to work.
Fast forward a year later, I take 0 medications for my dermitis and eat exclusively meat. I don't have eczema and my asthma disappeared on the diet as well. Acedotal sure, but the doctor visits and lifelong struggle with open gashes and chronic dry skin disappearing worked for me. I now can exercise and live a healthier life without being medicated literally 24/7. A blessing
When you have persistent health problems that you have tried to get rid of for years or decades and all of them sort of just vanish with a diet, it's powerful. Removing everything and going to a very basic limited set of inputs is a strong troubleshooting move, it will quickly show you if your problems come from diet. Then you can in a more relaxed time-frame re-introduce elements to see if they're ok.
Yes but it is being marketed to normal healthy people as if it’s a good option when it’s not. If the diet helps improve your quality of life due to auto immune issues or whatever your situation is then that’s great but this diet is not the best options for the majority of people. Also we don’t have much long term evidence to see it’s impacts on humans in normal society.
I'm not too impressed with carnivore. It's not "curing" anything, but just keeping symptoms at bay.
If it were actually reversing disease, like people claim, you would be able to reintroduce foods and not see your symptoms return.
After you purify yourself you lose the tolerance to the food toxins inside other foods, you can't eat any or you will be sick. Just like alcohol toxin, what was a moderate quantity can knock you out if you don't drink it for a long time. Carnivore is forever, and health is forever.
@@brandonpacheco9713I've always thought that the reason the carnivore diet works is not the meat itself but the removal of processed and sugar added foods. That would help almost anyone feel better
@@rayzerot I agree, the weight loss alone could be the main driver of people feeling better. Not to mention more stable insulin which can significantly improve mental and physical health. Another concern I have on the carnivore diet is it’s impact on our microbiome. We still no so little about but all the research coming out has indicated that our microbiome is super super super important. Also the lack of fiber which also plays into the microbiome.
Bottomline: Do what works for you. As long as we don't impose things like "our diet is superior than yours" then we'll all be just fine.
I have older family members who are on different lifestyles/diets but all are living just fine. Some are carnivores and some are mixed (veggie+meat). Some are still drinkers of alcohol at age 75-86yo and all just living their best lives.
Just do what works for you and to your capacity.
The most obnoxious, holier than thou attitude I've gotten for the past year haven't been from vegans, but from the people who only think in CICO and those who think the "balanced diet" is the right choice.
Just saw a study published in PLOS ONE of 1479 Males from 1987-2012 throught the VA showing higher LDL actually correlated to higher life expectancy. Would like to hear your thoughts.
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well done.
Dave Feldman has plumbed the LDL topic pretty hard and put out some great content and research results expanding the understanding of low carb lipidology. A claim, which gives some hope for long term health, is there are no studies found to date identifying increased risk of elevated LDL along with elevated HDL and low TG. This is the pattern carnivores experience. Fueling the body with primarily fatty acids requires more LDLs to carry the fatty acids, so the liver up regulates LDL levels.
Edit: If instead the liver up-regulated LDL to aid in the repair of epithelial damage caused by inflammation, then it is certainly a risk marker...but it is often accompanied by lower HDL and high TG, a different lipid profile than seen on low carb. What it all means is under-studied, but Mr Feldman appears to have some key insights into it.
conflicts of interest: 9 month carnivore, seeing health improvements in many areas
He’s speaking too confidently. We still need way more research and long term research. We haven’t seen the impacts of the changed metabolism through someone’s life. It could lead to certain risk that people don’t know about or it could actually be safe but we really don’t know. Also the pool of people doing it is very limited meaning their are potentially groups out there that this diet could harm more than help and we don’t have a great understanding of who those groups could be beyond obvious situations.
@@brandonpacheco9713 He speaks pretty carefully, caveats the lack of knowledge, and I'd guess would agree with everything you said.
I did terrible on Carnivore. LDL went up to 238 which everyone said don’t worry about it. Problem was, I developed a xanthelasma on my eyelid.
Further lipid tests showed I had pattern B lipids, ie. Very small LDL particles (not supposed to happen on carnivore right?).
Tests also showed I had high lp(a) levels. An independent risk factor for heart disease.
So this diet isn’t for everyone trust me.
@@JWB671 Interesting. sorry to hear that.
@@JWB671from what I’ve heard, small LD particles are supposed to be a good thing.
You are behind the times when it comes to LDL levels. Like one of the commentators said better to live a shorter life having no problems with your health than living a longer life in pain and suffering. Im 77 and only interested in testing occasionally my A1C, tryglycerides, HDL snd hydroxy vit D levels. Benefits of cutting out sugar and grains and high carbs and consuming Grass fed lamb and beef and wild fish and eggs occasioned with seasonal wild berries is food fit for a king. Eskimos and Inuit who have eaten such a diet for centuries don't get heart disease or cancer. Only ones who eat SAD modern diet in the north country having the same afflictions as westerners are having. USA highest sick country on the planet. BTW good saturated fat isn't causing heart disease, sugar is the culprit!
I would love to see a conversation between you and one or even some of the physicians promoting carnivore, especially the doctors that were doing calcium score and plaque score studies. That would be super interesting to hear. I will try to find that and send it to you.
Very funny that you ask anyone who disagrees to stop watching 😂. But really, there are a few unbiased long term experiments (apart from the Minessotta study). They are called glaciations. There would be no native americans if we needed to eat plants.
A college professor ate the what he called the “Twinkie” diet and lost weight. Of course is the re is a lot more to this. Eventually, eating like that will get him in trouble. I’ve done keto, vegan and carnivore. Enjoyed vegan the least. Now I’m more of Mediterranean type. I enjoy it the most.
@@ClassicJukeboxBand I totally agree.
In the absence of carbohydrates, alll health markers significantly improve. Mind you, there are no studies on the relationship between low-density lipoprotein (LDL) and heart disease when carbohydrates are eliminated.
Probably one of the most even and fair videos I've seen on the subject from a non carnivore dieter.
Its been working for me for over a year. Helped me immensely with histamine intolerance and identifying which food are triggers. I'm absolutely not tied to this diet long term and would be fine adding stuff back in when I feel I need to. I monitor my blood regularly. Ill continue to do it till it doesn't work / something changes. Cheers!
I've had to cut out a lot of certain trigger, problematical foods (and not just plant foods, but also egg whites, A1 casein mixed cow milk unless it is very well cultured like yogurt and very sharp cheeses). For plant foods, all modern wheat, modern corn, non organic non cultured/fermented soy, and peanuts.
But I don't eat anywhere close to carnivore, though I do eat some sardines with bone and skin, wild Alaskan salmon, egg yolks, yogurt, A2 only casein milk and dairy (from older cow breeds, goat, sheep).
I actually stopped eating all beef and pork when 16 due to health issues (also cut out a lot of junk food, etc). I'm in my mid 40's now and doing great health wise, though I could stand to increase exercise.
Question. Why is fiber recommended? All I know is it's parts of food that we can't even digest anyway and gives us larger, more sticky poop...
Pretty weak argument- but as always time will tell. From one who’s been hard core Keto - now carnivore for 8 years with constant LDL in the high 300’s, HDL 100 plus - TGH 50 minus , small LDL very low, LPa at 10, blood work markers all great, Dexa scans great, CAC score 10. Energy production at 67 equal to my 30,s. No inflammation, haven’t been sick one day in 10 years, able to kick ass at 67 years old- I think I will keep doing what I am doing!! Ps - no TRT- peptides- or any enhancement- just my knowledge to biohack!! Not luck either! Huge fan of your podcasts!!!
Thanks for the anecdote.
Commonplace 😉
Your exams are already showing signs of something wrong. CAC only measures advanced plaques, already calcified. Any value above 0 should already be seen as a concern.
boy..thats a shedload of tests for someone who hasn't been sick one day in the last ten years lol
I can tell you this much when I tried carnivore for a month.
I lost a lot of weight. Everyone noticed. It was the lightest I've been in 10 years.
But I never felt that great. I could feel my pulse through my head when I was in bed. Problem turned out to be low electrolytes.
I also felt that it wasn't sustainable as I was dying to eat some vegetables or rice.
If you can stick to it then best of luck to you. But for me, I wouldn't be able to keep up for the long run.
Yes. There are issues which can occur when it’s not on point. One being electrolytes. Not only did I shed a boat load of visceral fat, but the complete elimination of carbs had *NO* detrimental effect on my ability to weight-train, and that’s HIT, I hasten to add. I learned that glycogen is not necessary to fuel muscular performance, which was an eye-opener. I now carb-backload after my intense weight-lifting sessions (rice, sweet potato, Vitargo) and maintain carnivore during the rest of the week: steak, chicken, eggs, mackerel, sardines, salmon, tuna, duck, MCT oil, olive oil, coconut oil, kefir, and some cheeses occasionally. I feel mentally and physically amazing 🤩
This makes sense.
One of the primary functions of insulin is to maintain sodium levels. A significant drop can cause rapid loss.
I believe one of many of the things that causes you to stop at your weight setpoint is the rise in insulin due to lowered sodium.
This is also why I think a "carnivore" diet can benefit from some berries and moderate fruit consumption, as this also spikes insulin a small bit holding onto sodium, as well as having many other micronutrients. Absent this you need to consume fairly large levels of salt to maintain sodium levels, which if not done leads to depletion of potassium and magnesium as well.
No reason to do the diet if you're healthy and happy.
Most of us ended up on this diet out of desperation.
You're not missing anything :)
@MagnesiumAddicts Take a good look around at the health of people, especially, over 50. The vast majority are overweight and probably have insulin resistance and fatty liver!
@@ianstuart5660 I agree 😃
I was eating animal based for 2 months then tried having a broth with vegies. I spent the night on the loo. Thought it was perhaps a bug I picked up. Tried 2 weeks later with same results. No more veg for me. My psoriasis completely healed in this period.
Great video - thank you for posting it! I have to put in a plug for the "sensible balanced diet". In my 20s I was diagnosed with high cholesterol (inherited, cardiovascular disease runs in my family). I decided at that time to clean up my diet. I severely limited junk food, desserts, and alcohol, ate minimal meat, tried to cut saturated fat as much as possible. I try to eat 5-7 fruits and vegetables each day, and most of my calories from whole grains, legumes, and nuts. I also began exercising regularly, a mix of moderate cardio and resistance training. I am now 60 years old and am doing great. I have maintained a BMI under 25 for the past 30 years I've been eating this way. My blood pressure is 100/60, fasting glucose comfortable below 100, and a recent cardiac calcium scan gave me a very low score of 12 (almost completely plaque free). I wake up pain free and energized every morning. So the conventional wisdom has served me quite well. Trick is that you have to stick with it.
Saying LDL is an independent risk factor seems fine. But I'd like to hear about the magnitude of the change in risk when changes in HDL and TG are factored in. Again, Paul Mason has a recent talk exploring this, and I think he makes a compelling case. It's mostly theoretical/mechanistic though, which seems to be in your wheelhouse. Keep up the good work.
I'm currently on a low carb Mediterranean diet. A few years back, I used keto for like nine months and then carnivore for about three months diet to improve well being. I made sure to use whole food sources, on both of these. I was under medical supervision and got regular blood work, so I could have objective parameters to asses. I lost 30lbs of body fat, improved lipid profile, went from pre hypertension to excellent BP, my sense of wellbeing increased drastically. Caveat: I have regularly weight trained since HS. As an adjunct to these dietary changes though, I added steady state cardio as well metcon (lactate training). In the time since I have come to believe most of my health improvements came from cutting out processed foods + a more balanced exercise hygiene. I still would recommend elimination diet under medical supervision to to folks so they least learn what foods are inflammatory and disruptive to them as you experiment with reintroduction. For me a low to moderate carbohydrate Mediterranean style diet has been what I've settled on after trial and error. And feels the most sustainable and least restrive diet that leads to the health and performance outcomes I want in my life.
How can it be Mediterranean since mainstays are legumes and whole grains? Are fish your main animal protein? Thanks
@@oolala53 there are a thousand and one different strokes of the "Mediterranean diet"
@@defeqel6537 most inauthentic that can’t really claim any health benefits. But if you’re pleased and whatever limitations help you manage your intake, awesome.
@@oolala53 for sure, but even studies promoting the Mediterranean diet don't agree on what it is
Chicken and avocado would not give the same results because chickens are not ruminates, and are fed a lot of omega 6 foods.
Well as a Computer Engineer I can't deny that the carnivore diet has its roots in our anthropogenic evolution. It's clear when we look at the nutrients needed that we need protein for essential amino acids, we need fat for essential fatty acids, we only seem to need approximately 30g carbohydrates that seems to indicate the food choices we should make. My great-grandfather was Shawnee Native American and they were carnivores as we're all Native American tribes.
Great timing, meaning to get back on this diet as I was much healthier and pain free for the 14 months I was on it.
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Why did you stop?
Being on the strict diet is tedious, limits me when I go out with friends/family and one negative side effect for me is that it takes me a lot longer to get over random viruses while on the diet.
I figured the reason basically all my health issues went away (Gout, IBS, tinnitus, random pains in the joints in my hands, locking up jaw, flakey/red skin and asthma) - was because the carnivore diet is effectively a very extreme elimination diet which happened to eliminate all the problematic food groups.
I wanted to find out exactly what the problematic food(s) are/were and just avoid them explicitly, so I decided to re-introduce the food groups one-by-one until I got symptoms.
This started out pretty well and these are what I found (NOTE: I don't expect this to be the same for everyone.
1. Adding sweet fruits like apples/berries/oranges and dairy were/all fine.
2. Adding caffine (via coffee) brought back my tinnitus and locking jaw. Getting rid of caffine again got rid of these 2 symptoms again.
3. Adding tomatos and capsicum caused the gout / sore joints to start coming back.
But, I'm not good at moderation and have started eating pretty randomly again (just avoiding night shades and caffiene), and all my symptoms other than gout, tinnnitus and the locking jaw are back :(
@@MagnesiumAddicts So the pleasure of more variety is worth the aches and pains. I have changed my diet a lot over the years; going to the extremes sounds too iffy for the mildness of my symptoms. If I were guaranteed going, carnivore, Paleo, or whatever would take away my joint pain, I would do it. But it would just be too painful to submit and not get the result after a few months. I would think it would take that long to give it a chance and my diet already sometimes keeps me feeling some discomfort around socializing.
@oolala53 Of course not. When I've been in a good place / pain free for a while (that's how effective the diet is, 100% of the symptoms are gone, podiatrist sees no evidence of the 'joint damage' which existed in between attacks when not doing carnivore), I get curious and start to forget just how painful things can be. Then there's the issue where I'm very bad with modersation.
Interesting points. In my case I came from a diet filled with raw cruciferous vegetables along the meat that I was eating and the only thing I achieved was open raw wounds on both hands from eczema that felt like having barbed wire tied on them, terrible digestion, constipation, anxiety, insomnia, messed up thyroid (feeling cold all the time) and massive cold sores that made my mouth look like a cauliflower, everything resolved after 5 days of not eating the vegetables anymore. Not everyone thats trying carnivore was a couch potato that would gorge mcdonalds every meal, theres quite a lot of people following a "healthy, balanced" diet that still had quite a lot of health conditions that were resolved after the elimination of plants.
I am a 60 year old woman who lost 70 pounds in 7 months (over 7 years ago) on Keto/Carnivore. Vision better, no longer pre-diabetic, resolved gum disease, on no meds, healthy and happy! Ancel Keys was wrong. From Harvard Health: "High levels of low-density lipoprotein (LDL), or "bad" cholesterol, have long been associated with a greater risk of heart disease. Yet, research has shown that about 75% of heart attack sufferers DO NOT have dangerously high LDL levels." So 75% of heart attack sufferers had GOOD LDL levels. I'll stick to my way of eating a proper human diet. It's Carnivore for me! *I eat 120g of protein a day, not 300g.
Did you need to count calories as you got close to goal weight?
@rachelbrondel5858 no - and I never counted calories on this way of eating. There is really no way I could overeat (I am so satiated). Dr. Ken Berry has a lot of great info on his RUclips channel.
@@momofthreeadults do you eat more fat than protein?
Your post aligns with my own experiences and worries regarding Carnivore. I have experienced positive outcomes and impressive weight loss over six months, but I remain wary - and plan to move to more of a ‘maintenance phase’ later this year by reintroducing other foods.
I took some solace from one of your earlier videos describing how high weight loss could mitigate some of the cholesterol raising features of a diet high in saturates - and at the moment my own cholesterol remains low.
The long term evaluation of carnivore should be the last 2 million years of human history pre-civilization
The 'carnivore' is broader than 'just eating meat'..
Each individual should persevere if they are sick enough, and find what works for them..
2 cans of sardines in spring water, 4 free range poached eggs, 4 tablespoons of coconut oil and 2-3 litres of water omad works for this 68 year old guinea pig..
Omad (24hrs), skip tuesdays (48hrs) and skip the first wednesday of the month (72hrs) plays the same (if not more) part in the rolling back of the years (autoghagy)..
Could never imagine that kind of fasting on a vegetarian diet..
btw. Lost 20kgs in 7 months without trying..
Yes ldl is up, but triglyceride/hdl ratio went from 2.3 (pre diabetic) to .5 (optimal insulin sensitive)..
The list of my improvements goes on and on..
When you get old enough and if not genetically blessed, try it. 😉
If you're looking for studies, you need to go back to the mid-1800's in the library. Carnivore, Fasting, low carb and many other things were studied back then with results that we are just now rediscovering. No surprise that the rise of the food industry meant the disappearance of this info from the public view. It does exist, but you're going to have to go out of your way to get it.
lol, that's a serious tone. I'm carnivore by choice since childhood and healthier than all people my age. My BMs are very stable at 4 fasting and I feel great, when other people may feel dizzy. I work in a hospital so it's easy to run all tests. I don't think fertile woman should do low carb all the time, I think they should follow their monthly cycle. People involved in sports should do some carbs as well, in my opinion.; I don't understand the ''beef and water'' trend. I eat all organs, variety of seafood, lots of raw, cured and dry fish and meat, caviar, variety of eggs and hunt. This is how we eat in northern countries. Sugar makes me feel lazy, always hungry and in pain, so I don't need studies to tell me what to eat. My aim is to have good quality of life, not live forever. x
Healthier than all people your age. Wow. That must have been some trophy they gave you.
First I switched to carnivore for it's elimination affects and like everyone was totally amazed by the changes. Second my wife instantly knows when I cut back on the fat consumption as my mental clarity diminishes. My cholesterol HAS risen significantly however my lab results at 6 months show it has dropped back 50pts. In the same time my HDL has risen and my triglycerides are falling. I will continue to keep a watchful eye on labs and adjust my diet as needed.
As a transitioning Carnivore 98%, there, I think that wasn't too bad, all reasonable points. I haven't watched your content too long. I would love to see you do some debates with Baker, Chafee, or Mason. I especially would like to see their response to the LDL studies you are concerned about. Thanks for your hard work.
Interesting edition!
I increased meat intake months ago, lowered carbs, still enjoying berries. Eating omni in social settings.
I always wonder why carnivore is seen as extreme... I have seen quite some evidence that hominids evolved into humans with nutrients they got being scavengers and hunters. Only 10.000-20.000 years ago turned into farming and eating wheats.
Most of the vegetables we know today are not more than a few hundred years old, and fruit has never been so large and sweet as in the last 50 years.
I am saying this because we evolved to what we are on a meat based diet, or am i completely wrong? Just wondering...
And if we evolved on meat for two million years, how can it be unhealthy? Just wondering a bit more..
So, if you are able to shine a light, please do! 🙏🏻😘
Our fruits are sweeter now with lower nutrients because sweet is important. Wild strawberries are tiny and a bit sour, as are wild blueberries, blackberries, and raspberries. Grain fed meat is also probably not as healthful.
We evolved the ability to eat just about anything that was once alive, the fact that we can readily digest such a wide variety of things without issues is evidence of that. We didn't get our great big brains by being picky eaters. You are right that the fruits and vegetables that we have today are more calorically dense than what our ancestors had, but so is the meat. 10, 000 years ago hunters weren't selecting which animal to slaughter based on how much marbling the ribeye will have.
Look at what other primates eat, like chimpanzees and gorilla's. They eat mostly vegetables, wild roots (wild potatoes and carrot) ,fruits and nuts, maybe insects and rarely some meat. That's also our original diet, hunter gatherers mostly gathered, hunting is dangerous and energy costly. We share 99% of our DNA with chimpanzees. The stories were Neanderthal hunted all the time are just fiction.
@@Logan4661 hang on a sec, the impression i get is that fatty meats have always been prefferred. There is some thinking out there that our brains evolved from the availability of fatty meats. Plus the scale is tremendous: possibly 2.5 million years of carnivory (over 70% of the diet) vs the last 10,000 years (approximately) of agricultural / plant based diets. To illustrate that scale, imagine a dining table 6 feet long (72 inches). Let that stand for 2.5 million yrs of carnivory. The last 10,000 yrs of agriculture is only a quarter of an inch!
@@miklimecat9636 yes, I can see that our genes are fully tuned to what was eaten in those millions of years. Now, because it probably was not only meat, we can digest other stuff.
But the loads of sugar and carbohydrates are not optimal.
A few years ago I moved those and the "refined" stuff like seed oils from my kitchen into the garbage bin.
Fun fact: in the past I burned quite fast in sunny weather, these days not anymore even after hours. (To be honest, I supplemented vit D3 and K2 to proper levels at the same time).
Excellent video. N=1 here. Carnivore (or more appropriately meat-based) was my hail mary. It changed my life. Im more functional than I've been in probably a decade and i no longer consider leaving my vocation due to arthritis (musician) because it has improved so dramatically. It helped me drop a few lbs and increase muscle and strength beyond expectation. I rarely lose steam during the day unless im sweating profusely under laborious conditions in the heat. I no longer snore (as told to me by both my wife and children) and my gastrointestinal health is the best it has been in probably 25 years or more. I actually feel like my body is absorbing the nutrients in my food. Ive never felt that way in my entire life. Never. Under that premise, I assume that the concept of bioavailability has some merit. I do worry about long term effects, but i dont know what they would be. As you said, the long term studies are lacking, to say the least. Thanks again and I hope we get more answers for folks like you and me (carnivore for almost 8 months now).
I think it works for some because some have food sensitivities to certain compounds in plants. An elimination trial would be better.
The problem with the studies on cholesterol is that consensus idiology influences what gets published and contrary ideas are often ignored or censored. This prevents good science from ever being discovered and warps the judgment of well intentioned scientists like you.
You are both clever and brilliant in your teaching; simply a pleasure to listen to!
I am not a fanatic about any specific diet neither I am fully carnivore. However, after a dx of pre diabetes, I adopted a keto diet with IF two meals daily. First, my cholesterol has been elevated even before my dx in my twenties it was 170, same in m 40s, at the time of my first medicare check two years ago it was still 170. This LDL elevation has been going on regardless of the type of diet I ate/eat. I was actually a semi vegan for a while on very little animal, mainly cheese, few eggs, yogurt, occasionally fish. Still my LDL stayed high. Come to the present at 66-68 on keto with 70%carnivore, it is still the same. Maybe a bit higher at 180. My CAC is zero, never been overweight, I exercise more, still eat some non starchy veggies and greens. I cannot totally give up my favorite veggies. My point is that, each can eat whatever they want if it does their body good. I reversed pre diabetes, my labs, except LDL are very good. I listen and pay attention to my body first. Science and data are not a perfect and depend on several variables. The problem is the medicine and science do not individualize; the evidence base medicine places us all under the same umbrella. I was following the low fat diets too and my LDL was still high. Some people (I am a nurse) have low LDL, eat lots of junk food. Some of them have died of heart attacks in their 40s-50s. One thing I know for sure, there is more to cholesterol than "bad or good." Very informative; I beg to agree/disagree on the base of human individuality. For me, this way of eating (mostly carnivore) has worked and continues to work after almost three years. Like you, I am always open to change.
Thank you for sharing this! I keep making the point that LDL must be influenced by another factor besides cholesterol or saturated fat consumption. This is evident by so many stories like yours as well as mine. My story would be, I have optimal LDL numbers regardless of diet. This can't mean I'm healthy no matter what I eat and in no danger of cardiovascular events.
I have Carnivore experience not as hard core as I’d like. I have studied this from many angles so I think I can add something to what you came up with. If you consume plant-sterols which are in vegetable and seed oils. Your LDL will go down. Statins utilize the same method. These things attach to the same part as cholesterol the body is trying to prevent these from entering some get through if you’re healthy only about 1% get in if there are problems in the gut lining more. And if it’s given as a drug or consumed as oil the body gets considerably more. This is an artificially low cholesterol situation and gives you higher rates of cancer and diabetes as well as Alzheimer’s symptoms. When in a Ketogenic state with primarily Saturated Fat in the stomach lining it is healthy and not as leaky. But more importantly the body is running on Ketones. Cholesterol is the mechanism that carries fats around the body so it increases. So we have a higher cholesterol reading because the body is functioning normally and needs to move fatty acids around the body because there is no glucose left in the muscles or any where else. The problem that was associated with high cholesterol in studies that found a higher mortality rate was because of a subset of people who had a clotting disorder. These unfortunate people who had high Familial Cholesterol and the clotting disorder died rather young. The others who had high familial cholesterol lived very long heathy lives. Cholesterol is part of our immune system and important in brain tissue and many other things. I’d like to point out to the person in the comments section who made the argument that we have traits of herbivores. Our ancestors went through a couple of genetic bottlenecks. The first transformed our ancestors who ate fruit and plants into being very over sensitive to fruit. The striations appeared on the teeth which dated back to 65 million years ago. The only ones that made it through that starvation period carry those genes. So if they ate to much fruit after that they became obese. Then these humanoids had to make it through the Ice Ages. Ice ages lock up atmospheric moisture in glaciers not an over abundance of snow on the grass so the herbivores fed on the grass it was cold near the glaciers no fruit. Humanoids scavenged fresh kills at first they would usually just crack open the skull and bones to get the fatty nutrients then they learned to trap and kill. Ice Ages were very tough so that put pressure on these ancestors to fully adapt to a completely carnivorous way of life. If they were not suited because it didn’t provide enough vitamins for their body they would die. The genetic analysis determined when the gene modification for fruit took place and humans that lived through the Ice Ages were able to live well with their dual diet. Because even though they would get fat rather easy prior to Fall coming. That fatting process was a blessing because if you have fat you are carrying water to make to the first rain of winter. But if you try to eat those kinds of food in bulk now you will get a metabolic disorder. But you will live long enough to propagate. We have lost the ability to digest vegetation in our appendix it is extremely small and useless. While Apes have the ability but spend all day extracting enough energy just so they can lay around. Neanderthal bones dated to 50,000 years ago at a time and area where they were living with our modern ancestors had a higher nitrogen score than Wolves and Hyenas and our stomach acid ph is almost as high as current day scavengers. Only about .2 points lower.
Send in the torches and pitch forks! Heat up the tar and pluck the chickens! You’ve gone too far this time Verhoeven. Well, this carnivore will take this report into consideration. My yearly blood test is coming up in a month so I’m looking forward to the data! Good report as usual. Looking forward to your next post soon chum !😈
As a carnivore. I don’t have any problems with you saying what you said here. lol
Same; dude is being really fair in how the info is presented and expounded upon
@@rfbead321Also they are low cholesterol meats like chicken and rabbit, you just need to supplement a lot of fat.
I just found this channel last week. I’m pretty sure at some point, I’m going to disagree with him. But I really like him! ❤ I’ve been on many diets. My blood work looked better on carnivore than vegetarian… but vegetarian was not vegan and I was using all the fake foods…so that’s probably why the horrible blood work!
@@mom2artists- It's a very cool channel 👌
Your not a carnivore
There is very little research on the carnivore diet because it goes against the current narrative. The accumulation of anecdotes are becoming a semi-reasonable convincing substitute. It's certainly helped me more than any other diet.
If you consider anecdotes even being “semi-reasonable” then you have a very poor understanding of the hierarchy of evidence in the field of health.
@@The_Legend_Himself Unfortunately when my N of 1 is disapproving endless research, you start to doubt everything, especially from those who have been bought by biased organizations. I look at the current food pyramid and think, is this where all of health sciences has brought us, where Lucky Charms are recommended over steak... SMH
@@The_Legend_Himself While the hierarchy of evidence prioritizes controlled, scientific studies, dismissing all anecdotal evidence as inherently inferior overlooks its potential as a preliminary indicator of patterns worth exploring scientifically, especially when it's compelling and overwhelmingly consistent across diverse populations.
You mentioned that there are not many robust carnivore studies, which is true. But what about anthropology studies? If a Hunter gather (70/30 animal/else) based diet isn’t healthy, How many other species that have thrived or even survived for 300,000+ years are still eating the wrong diet?
paleolithic humans ate whatever was available -- depending on the climate, ecosystem and season. adaptability and diet variability allowed them to expand around the Earth. some had more access to megafauna, some to fish, some to tropical fruits, some to forest vegetation, etc. they became apex predators who preferred animals but they'd go after roots, tubers, wild grains, honey, berries, figs, dates or anything they could get their hands on.
so not always 70/30. some days it was 90/10, other days it was 0/100, some places it was 30/70, other places 58/42, some times it was 15/85...
the modern Hadza hunter-gatherers are about 50/50. they crave meat & fat but their diet varies a lot. they eat more plants during the wet season. they eat a shitload of fiber and a lot of honey.
There is overwhelming evidence in independent studies (there are plenty of studies in the NIH (National Institutes of Health) database) that whole food plant based diet is the most healthy. Animal products are pre-cursors to all major diseases - heart disease, diabetes, cancer. Statistically, populations of people who are plant based have lower incidences of major diseases. Though not a strict scientific study the book on “Blue Zones” looks at five places where life expectancy is much more (12 years more) than the average age. One of the commonalities among the five zones is that the populations' diet is 95% plant based (with plenty of carbs). This should be good news. No need for a difficult and restrictive diet (there is plenty of variety in plants), no need to fast to clean out your system, etc. Yes, occasional fasting and regular exercise are good additions for a healthy, long life, but they do not make up for a bad diet (also born out in studies).
You can be sure that if blue zone populations were primarily meat eaters, the carnivore diet proponents would be screaming this from the rooftops. The most recent study of hunter gatherers actually show that these populations ate more plants than animal products.
@@christopherl4249 it’s absurd to attribute cancer, CVD and/or T2D to animal products. There are also studies for each of these disproving as well. Red Meat consumption in US has been flat for decades while each of these diseases is absolutely exploding. I’ve witnesses a friend personally who reversed T2D on carnivore. Reversed. Not caused… Hong Kong has the #1 life span of all countries, 85. Hong Kong is #1 in red meat consumption. Maybe they should qualify as a blue zone? I’m actually having trouble locating the average age of blue zones. They just mention they have more 100 year olds. So not sure how to compare to #1 country.
Modern cattle are bred to have 4 times the fat content they used to. So modern carnivores aren't even eating the same thing as ancient people did. Also we have found heart disease in many frozen humans from thousands of years ago.
@@christopherl4249😂🤡
yeah, cholesterol. As a carnivore eater i have to say i got all benefits you mentioned and i got elevated cholesterol as well.
Why I stay calm? Because i got big good results AND (tricky part) i am constantly calmed by super confident carnivore doctors (Baker, Chaffee and many others) that try to convice us they HAVE studies how it is harmless and yeah, it is hard to know who lie.
Their studies tell cholesterol is a risk factor, but how big? Do it needs another risk factor or it is harmfull by itself? They literally say: High cholesterol is harmless when tryglicerides are low (and carnivorous have always low tryglicerides). Without high tryglicerides cholesterol can't clog your tubes because it doesn't form plaque. Then it is not even risk factor.
I asked myself is their statement really credible? Well, as you know, we still dont know, but for me it was not hard decision :D I could stay fat, anxious, inflammed, exhausted bag of intestines or eat meat and have elevated cholesterol.
Pretty interesting talk could be: Hey, do you think carnivore fixed all of that? At least 300 comments here say same story.
Well, would say half of them had disregulated nervous system and they just calmed down with hope, watching success stories, be part of tough community.
So maybe we dont need any extreme diet. We need to fix our nervous systems first to dont be years in fight or flight mode and then decide what next. Who knows :)
Carnivores: "Plants try to kill you!"
Me: Not if I eat them first!
😂😂 damn right
Good luck with the anti-nutrients, oxalates, lectins, plant sterols …
@@jwlee4925 thanks, i will need it
After 2 year carnivore diet my CAC score dropped from 57 at the start of the diet to 47 at the end of the 2 year period. Same clinic, same radiologist. I'm 69 years old.
I take offense at you saying those who consider LDL as an incomplete marker of cardiovascular health as "wrong." Saying that does not make you "right." Neither of us can claim any amount of certainty when it comes to the importance of LDL. I agree that LDL is a marker but I am not "wrong" for giving that marker a low ranking - in my opinion, based on personal results. There are no studies that prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that LDL causes cardiovascular disease. LDL is a factor and at least one study is currently underway to consider LDL in the context of a low-carb/carnivore diet (Dave Feldman). LDL in the context of a high-carb diet may well be a predictor of cardiovascular disease and I think that is likely, but again there is no proof of that. Time will tell. Until then neither of us is "right" and neither is "wrong."
no there are ample evidence that LDL are a strong factor in CVD and it has nothing to do with high or low carb, this you just made it up
This study was completed and published recently, see a review of the data with Feldman and Nick Norwitz, good stuff, real science unlike dou40006
Inflammation after a Vax injury sent me down the health rabbit hole.
Every time I ingest carbs... joint pain comes back.
After watching "Big Fat Surprise" and looking into how the food pyramid happened... I know I am on the right track.
90%meat, 10% fruit.
I hope you're going to cover how there is **almost no** poop when you're on the carnivore, it NEVER smells bad, and there are zero lower G-I pain and suffering issues.... and some other things... (oh yeah, all my blood labs are improving and I'm about three months in). Of course the best thing for you to do is just do it for six months or a year and stop ***the moment**** ANY of your blood markers worsen. My prediction: If you do it the way it is really supposed to be done (nothing else), you won't see any worsening blood markers for many many many months. I've NEVER felt so gut-healthy in my entire life and I'm in my 60s.
Was cooking a pound of pork + 7 eggs munching on a stick of raw butter and watching this video
Great vid as usual, my friend. Fear not ✌🏽😃
Now if you’d said, ”a leaf for the vegan ostriches” I would have spat my glass of myoglobin right out through my nose.
I wonder how many of our ancestors had a cholesterol problem or cardiovascular disease?
Love this remark, well played, well played.
If they ate a lot of meat, they did, there is evidence of this as well.
Before the discovery of penicillin the average life span of man was under 40; just thought you should know that.
Youre absolutely correct about the skewed results due to the syudy being from people on the carnivore forums. I tried carnivore for a month, and when I didnt see aignificant improvement in my chronic GERD, I got out fast. This is an extremely difficult diet to stick to without a major incentive. The stress, social exclusions, and loss of food pleasure can easily outweigh the benefits unless they are monumental. I may try again if I get desperate, but boy oh boy, the payoff needs to be big.
Nicely done! I appreciate the detailed information and I find it all very informative. I agree that there's no "one-solution" fits all in life and, also being a "qualitative and quantitative" kind of guy, I can appreciate you for running the numbers on this for us. People need to have this kind of information in order to make their own decision so not to use the "if I only knew that..." excuse when the consequences of their decisions come back to bite them. I appreciate the clear and concise video and look forward to seeing further data on this subject. Cheers!
I applaud your courage, especially in the light of the paucity of long-term, high-quality scientific evidence. That said, your analysis seems 100% consistent with everything I’ve read. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this issue.
Couldn’t have been a more fair and balanced presentation! Thanks for your work and for your views!!
Several Years ago, I did the Atkins diet, with my meals consisting of only meats, so, essentially the same thing as carnivore. I did feel great for a year or so, lost body fat, reduced allergies to foods, etc, but then felt fatigued much of the time. I do live at 10,000 ft elevation and wasn’t getting enough oxygen to stay in ketosis, and I was experiencing constipation, so I started to add carbs back in. I found that at this point, I was carb intolerant - it caused blood sugar swings and my digestion took time to adapt to the carbs. At this point, I’m preferring high fish, some red meat, eggs, dairy and homemade bread from freshly ground wheat berries, fruit (berries) plus cold pressed oils to replace the rancid oils in my cell walls. I don’t tolerate (detox through methylation is slow) the natural chemicals found in most veggies, so I’m still staying off of these, until I can improve this.
70 year old carnivore here.Totally agree that we need more data.I have been active all my adult life and have tried all sorts of dietary interventions and supplements over the years and nothing compares to a high red meat diet FOR ME...Hard to believe that something that makes me feel and perform optimally can be that bad for me.. but open to modifications. I come from a family with heart disease on both sides but I have probably averaged 3 eggs a day all my adult life and constantly been told how bad cholesterol was for me and how I would die young...so not about to trade current well being for current science...doesn't make the decision right,but empirically it appears to be right...so...more data please and whatever your dietary preference, move and exercise.
It is posts like this I cite for evidence the medical field has the cart before the horse.
I think a good solid controlled long term study on a true blue carnivore diet would illuminate so many misunderstandings about biological mechanisms.
How is it that people get better disregarding PhDs...?
My finding is when the outcome isn't what you expect, you've misunderstood something about the system you are analyzing.
@@Michael-vc2cs No it is wrong to only look at anecdotal evidence. For the most people high LDL-C means high risk. But a better predictor is apo B. Maybe also get that value.
But concluding from one case that we should ignore all the other data and cases where we see that reducing LDL-C slows the progression of artheriosclerosis.
That could lead to many deaths.
There are also outliers on the other side, where people with normal LDL-C and no other risk factors get an heart attack. There also is a study about this genetic variant. They found out that they do have more small LDL particles. That’s where the hypothesis comes from that having high small LDL might be an other indicator for risk of CVD.
I don‘t know if there are studies about people with high LDL-C and no artheriosclerosis. But of course it would be interesting to look into that. I don‘t know if he has high LDL-C though. There are known mutations on the pcsk9 gene, that lead to low ldl-c no matter what you eat. They developed medications from that, that inhibit pcsk9 to mimic that effect for lowering LDL-C.
But like I said, such outliers do not invalidate the data there is.
@@stellasternchen LDL is a lifetime risk . You can be at high risk if you had it high early in life, but no longer have high levels.
You're probably comparing carnivore to a diet that includes refined and processed products. Maybe some foods trigger responses on your body too. Removing all of those makes you feel great. But as you know, how you feel isnt a perfect representation of your health. Smokers will report feeling good although they're reducing their lifespans.
@@stellasternchen If there is only one anecdote then it is wrong to look at it as evidence. If there are 100,000 identical anecdotes that is a data set you can make an inference on.
This is not my 1st rodeo into a healthy lifestyle. Few years back i lost about 80lbs in a few months. I drank only water, pre workouts, and beer on weekends. Ate only veggies and meat. No change to sauces or seasonings. And i worked out 4-5 times per week.
Now im 4 months “strict” carnivore. Water, black coffee, no additive tequila occasionally. Beef, eggs, some diary and occasionally fish or chicken. Only use salt tallow, lard and butter.
This time I lost +30lbs. However. I dont need pre workouts. I feel more energy. Brain fog has almost cleared. I rarely workout but im getting stronger.
I think you are absolutely fantastic! I love your way of addressing your audience, your integrity, and well… your personality! I’m so glad I found you. I’ve dealt with countless people on every diet known to man. It’s amazing how doctors vary so widely on what they believe is healthy. Naturally, doctors who did well on a ketogenic diet want to put their patients on a low carb plan, and of course that’s true for plant-based doctors wanting to put their patients on mostly, if not completely, a vegan diet. What concerns me about the ketogenic / carnivore diet is the effect on the diversity of the microbiome. I have seen people lose weight and feel good but diversity is low, and from what I understand, in particular from following the works of Dr. Tim Spector at Kings College London, diversity is critical, but how can it be be maintained without fiber in the diet? We need the studies!
I love knowing I’m going to come to this channel and get fair information no matter what.
Id love to see an ominovore elimination diet vs vegan elimination diet va carnivore diet (aka a meat based elimination diet) on health markers.
I'm two years into paleo low carb diet and activity. Elimination of starches, industrial seed oils were MY biggest changes. I'd given up 🍰, fruit juice and sodas decades ago. Stuck at 235 lbs but decent blood work and no pain, limitations or inflammation.
Dropped 25 lbs the first six months, have stalled at a comfortable 210. VA blood work all stellar, with key supplements EVERYTHING WORKS BETTER @ 68.👍💪👌
Hey Nic, great stuff as always! I was wondering if you would consider having a deeper look into dry fasting. There are not many studies out there yet, but the topic gets more and more attention in recent years. I personally had a great experience with it and it would be nice to hear an input from someone as dedicated to pure science as you are.
I have learned that having a charismatic doctor or expert telling us what to eat and not eat is all about clicks, selling book or some supplement. I truly appreciate videos that are based and research and someone like @Physionic taking the time to look at the detail and interpret it for us, not to mention the hilarious sense of humor. I'm not for carnivore nor Vegan, but the truth based on the latest study. Thank you!
Have you seen the research on lean mass hyperresponders? I have been keto for over 4 years and have no elevation of ldl but my hdl is good, as is my triglycerides, not to mention apob and ld(a).
I suspect there is variability in how people respond to any diet and the impact on their health. You are right to want more trials and I think they will come. Unfortunately long term studies beyond a year are tough to fund. I think that is why so many stick with the tried diets that give them benefit. It is important to track bloodwork.
Long term studies will not happen if they threaten the corrupt medical industrial complex!
Beyond lipids, what other long-term concerns do you have for carnivore dieters, and are you aware that there are lifetime carnivores (50+years) out there, some of whom have been interviewed and (I think) studied?
Personally I’m not too triggered by the cholesterol thing because I’d rather be happy, energetic, and healthy and live a shorter life than be a wfpb vegan and live to 200 years eating rabbit food 😂 and the evidence is not super strong anyway…
From what I've gathered with the years, experimenting on low carb diets and all, our body is designed to constantly adapt. Alternating between diets or nutritional protocols along the year has been the best strategy I've found so far, choosing protocols depending on how busy and active I'm going to be, availability of seasonal ingredients, what kind of training and in what volume I will be performing, cycling supplements, paying attention to how I perform and feel. It isn't reasonable to stick to a single protocol and trying to maintain it when we live in a -society-... dynamic environment, everything is fluctuating and not everyone can afford to eat lean meat of ripe avocado all year round, duh.
I think seasonality is one thing a lot of diets completely ignore. Our ancestors wouldn’t be able to ignore it, it was just a fact of life - different foods were available in different seasons and different areas, and their diet and activities reflected that.
I feel you. I've done carnivore and vegan and all in between seemingly. Your method is balanced in its variation and wide range of implementations. I think a lot of folks would thrive from an approach like this.
@@anna9072 we are also significantly healthier than our ancestors and have completely different microbiomes. Just because they could survive on eating only certain foods doesn’t mean it’s better for long term health.
Yes, it makes sense to eat starch in the fall (harvest season), fruit in the summer, meat in the winter. And processed foods… never! (Or very rarely)
☕️ 😚👌 Don't forget the coffee !
Plant-based diet next please. (And not "vegan diet", cause vegan implies a philosophical way of life which seeks to reduce needless harm to the most reasonable extent possible; one can eat a plant-based diet but not be vegan, doesn't work the other way around though.)
I agree...all those positive carnivore health stories,I have also heard from/about people on a plant based diet.
Which is i.m.o way more healthy on the long term.
I suppose the point of agreement for many is that cutting out highly processed foods is likely good for health.
Yes. Not all carbs are created equal. Having said that, *excess* “good” carbs still lead to visceral fat accumulation, which comes with its own problems. Could it be that the “War Against Fat” (increased heart disease) hasn’t been won because saturated dietary fat (used as energy) is not the enemy? The Western carb-heavy diet probably is. Time will tell, so any debate is speculative 😃
For me it depends on the amount of fat with the meat. Ribeye(loose stool), protein powder(almost no stool and shriveled and dry), eggs fried in a bit of butter(normal). For me carnivore is not a permanent diet but used as a tool. I find the satiety factor amazing and can easily lose weight on it.
It‘s the protein that brings the satiety. Works with lentils, beans, peanut butter, tofu, seitan as well.
And it seems you can‘t tolerate a lot of fatty meat. I‘m the same. I get cramps and loose stools. But plant fat I tolerate better like avocados or oil.
I‘m doing the Mediterranean diet so I both eat meat and veggies.
@@stellasternchenyou could probably tolerate the fatty meat if you mix it with some leaner protein or just eat less of it
@@stellasternchenbut can I lose weight without hunger eating these vegan foods? I need a way of decreasing calories without white knuckling through the hunger
Can you tell me what actual foods improve satiety per calorie for weight loss?
Well, simply based on my own anecdotal experience, I really find it an oversimplification to claim any protein does the job the same.
I was a fat child which became a fat adult but I did not gain my weight on mars bars but on lentils, chickpeas and white beans. My basic recipe for all of those btw is just to add an onions and boil, salt to taste and add a little bit if olive oil. I love the stuff to death and am known to empty whole pots myself because I lack the self control but also because they never satiated my hunger for long.
Now trying out carnivore and after eating only half a kilo meat I feel satiated and frankly stuffed for the rest of the day.
Clearly there is a difference, at least in my case.
You do understand that meat was the only thing on our menu for 2 million years, right? We are an ice age species. I don't fault anyone for not being able to imagine a world where broccoli doesn't exist, but that was our reality. I can't imagine it either because every day I walk through the produce aisle. I have to remind myself that these things never existed when we evolved into homo sapiens.
Awesome! Totally agree!
I don't think that's true. See Human Ancestors Were Nearly All Vegetarians, Scientific American, July 23,2012.
While I think that the title of that article is off, so is your statement that meat was the only thing on the menu.
Of potential interest, it seems that in this small study, hunter gatherers did worse than agrarian societies in terms of heart health
Of four ancient societies, in this small study, the hunter gatherers appeared to do worse in heart disease compared to agricultural societies:
Findings: Probable or definite atherosclerosis was noted in 47 (34%) of 137 mummies and in all four geographical populations: 29 (38%) of 76 ancient Egyptians, 13 (25%) of 51 ancient Peruvians, two (40%) of five Ancestral Puebloans, and three (60%) of five Unangan hunter gatherers (p=NS). Atherosclerosis was present in the aorta in 28 (20%) mummies, iliac or femoral arteries in 25 (18%), popliteal or tibial arteries in 25 (18%), carotid arteries in 17 (12%), and coronary arteries in six (4%). Of the five vascular beds examined, atherosclerosis was present in one to two beds in 34 (25%) mummies, in three to four beds in 11 (8%), and in all five vascular beds in two (1%). Age at time of death was positively correlated with atherosclerosis (mean age at death was 43 [SD 10] years for mummies with atherosclerosis vs 32 [15] years for those without; p
@@jackbuaer3828 Chimpanzees and neanderthals are not humans. 4,000 year old mummies are not an approximation for for out ice age diet. I don't know where you're getting the idea that ice age humans sat around drinking and smoking.
@@anungunrama7646 Mammoths Roamed when Humans Started Using Tobacco at Least 12,300 Years Ago, Scientific American, October 11, 2021.
Ancient Humans Liked Getting Tipsy, Too
In a new book on the archaeology and chemistry of alcoholic beverages, Patrick McGovern unravels the history of boozing, Smithsonian, October 11, 2021
"But now evidence has emerged that people enjoyed their carbs even during the Paleolithic era, a period also known as the Old Stone Age that stretched from roughly 2.5 million to 12,000 years ago."
"For many Paleolithic people, the bottom of the food pyramid wasn’t red meat but plant food, such as tubers or starchy plant stems, says paleobiologist Amanda Henry of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Leipzig, Germany. The relatively complex recipe used to prepare oats at Grotta Paglicci shows they were an important food to the people there, archaeologist Anna Revedin of the Italian Institute of Prehistory and Early History, a co-author of the oat study, says via email. Humans also ate snails, worms, grubs-“all kinds of little things that we would never think about now … would have been consumed on a daily basis,” Barton says.
Ancient Oat Discovery May Poke More Holes in Paleo Diet, National Geographic, 9/11/ 2015
Stable nitrogen isotope studies have shown that we were hyper carnivores (that's at least 70% carnivore). For roughly 2.5 million years we evolved on a hyper carnivore diet. The proof is in the bones.
Agriculture started only about 8,000 to 12,000 years ago, after that our health started to decline. Heart disease, cavities, etc, went on the rise with the advent of agriculture and its plant based diets. We relied on agriculture to save us from starvation, but that's not what we evolved on for the majority of our time on the planet.
My beef is when nutritionists write articles and state without any proof "We all know eating red meat is unhealthy", so you should eat grains and beans!
Romans 14 "For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables."