False converts are not believers in Christ who others view as living a poor Christian life. False converts are those who are trusting that Jesus will save them on some basis other than faith in His finish redemptive work.
False converts are those who say I believe in John 3:16 and continue living no different than before, while somehow thinking that a change of lifestyle is trying to do it yourself rather than just claiming to trust in Christ. Paul says Repent of sin and have faith and show evidence of your repentance by your works/lifestyle.
@@2Chronicles714_ You wrote: _"False converts are those who say I believe in John 3:16 and continue living no different than before"_ When you think about it, the phrase _"false convert"_ is an oxymoron, since the phrase _"true convert"_ is a redundancy. I mean, either a guy is a convert, or he is not. So, if he is a convert, then it is true that he is a convert, and you could call him "a true convert", but what's the point of throwing in the superfluous word, "true", when you could have just called him "a convert"? And, if he is not a convert, then, of course, it is false that he is a convert. But why use an oxymoronic phrase like "a false convert", since he is not a convert? Why do that when you can just call him "a non-convert"? Now, regarding John 3:16: either a man is a convert to John 3:16, or he is not. That is, either he believes John 3:16, or he does not believe John 3:16. Now, you spoke of people who say _"I believe John 3:16."_ Perhaps not every person who says _"I believe John 3:16"_ is a person who believes John 3:16. If so, all that means is that some people who say they believe John 3:16 are not converts to John 3:16. Now, of anyone who is not a convert to John 3:16, obviously it is false that he/she is a convert to John 3:16; but why use the oxymoronic phrase, "a false convert", to refer to someone who is not a convert? It is true that a cat is not a dog, and false that a cat is a dog, but would you consider it reasonable to call cats, "false dogs"? No. Why, then, would you think it any more reasonable to call someone of whom it is false that he/she is a convert, "a false convert"? _"...and continue living no different than before"_ Before _what?_ If you are talking about a convert, then do you mean _before conversion?_ And, if you are talking about a non-convert -- someone who has not converted -- then, I especially ask: *Before **_what?_*
@@2Chronicles714_Also, nowhere in the Bible does it say "repent of your sins". Repent means a change of mind! God repented several times in the Bible, does that mean that God sinned?
I came back to my faith after a prodigal experience brought on by divorce after 10 years in 2019. I was looking for resources to help me find my way back. I found the Calvanist and works based salvation people in droves online and it was utterly exhausting and confusing. I've had to find my way back to grace through faith recently and am thankful I did because I was mind numbingly tired.
"Mind numbingly tired" indeed . The Lordship Salvation Treadmill never shuts off . Not Knowing one's Everlasting destination is infinitely worse than trying to grasp at Ropes of Sand , or firmly plant one's feet in mid-air ...I better go lay down now😢
@@jolookstothestars6358 I regret letting it take me for a ride like it did. Its a long story, but, God remained faithful even when I didn't. And, I didn't want the divorce and while I wasn't mad at God, I was disappointed. It was a very bleak time.
Matthew 11:28-30 English Standard Version 28 Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”
No one has turned from their sins. These guys are fruit inspectors who feel the sins the other folks commit are the bad ones. I was in this error where I could convince myself that I was "never really saved" for the most silly little reasons. It is about Him, not us. Keep your eyes on the Savior and not the sinner.
Millions have turned from their sins. Repenting and turning away from sin means a recognition of my sins, which involves Godly sorrow,brokenness and a commitment on my part to change the direction of my life. Repentance is not an emotion. Its more than being grieved or feeling sorry about my sin and even having remorse. God wants the person to make a decision of the heart and mind [the will] to turn away from sin. Your life was going in one direction [sin] and you make a decision by faith to take your life in the opposite direction with His help. It is making a genuine 180° change of heart recognizing that sin(s) is against God. By turning from our sins to God we acknowledge we have disobeyed God. We have violated His law, offended his moral purity, tried to cast off his yoke of authority. It requires that we admit we have turned from God to sin.That is faith. Repent means change your mind about your sinfulled life ALL SINS INCLUDING UNBELIEF, false gods, witchcraft, self righteousness etc. After repentance there must be a genuine change of life because living in sin is disobedience and rebellion against God and the end result will be destruction of the soul in hell. There must be a change in conduct and how you live. You don't have to remember every sin, Jesus knows them all. Confess ongoing sins, and ask for deliverance of them and forgiveness of all sins. Repentance turning from sin - is a prelude to holiness. Hebrews 12:14 Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy, without holiness no one will see the Lord. Walking in holiness begins with repentance.We should think about it as a lifetime daily discipline of our faith, necessary for a holy life. Matthew 6:9-14. None of us are sinless.
@@2Chronicles714_ You wrote: _"God wants the person to make a decision of the heart and mind [the will] to turn away from sin."_ And what if the person does not do whatever it is you are calling _"to make a decision of the heart and mind [the will] to turn away from sin"?_ Now, is that two decisions: 1) _"a decision of the heart",_ and 2) _"a decision of the mind"?_ Or, is that only one decision, a decision of the heart/mind (since the heart is the mind/the mind is the heart)? And, by your phrase, _"to make a decision",_ what do you mean if not _to believe some particular truth?_ You wrote: _"After repentance there must be a genuine change of life"_ Interesting. So, you do not use the word "repentance" and your phrase "a genuine change of life" interchangeably, it seems. Otherwise, what you said, there, would be: _"After repentance there must be [repentance]"_ / _"After [a genuine change of life] there must be a genuine change of life"._ Which, of course, would be kind of an odd thing for you to say, no? You wrote: _"you make a decision by faith"_ Is not _"make a decision"_ simply a synonym for _"believe"?_ So that, what you are saying, here, is: _"you [believe] by faith"?_ But, since faith is nothing more or less than believing, it seems all you are saying by _"you make a decision by faith"_ is that _"you [believe] by [believing]"._
@alltimeislikethepresent Let me give you a biblical example of what repentance means. The Bible calls on men to repent of their sins and believe the gospel. What does it mean to repent? In Greek it is defined as to change one's mind. It means more than we can conceive in our culture today. To understand the reference of mind in the Bible, it connects with the heart as the very controlling center of the person.It is the control center of emotions, our intellect, and our decision making process. So what Jesus is saying when you have changed your mind, everything else will change, especially your conduct along with it. A perfect description of repentance is the Apostle Paul. When he was on the road to Damascus he had orders to capture christians, Paul believed Jesus of Nazareth was the biggest blasphemer who ever walked the planet, he also thought christians were a terrible sect that ought to be destroyed. That's what he thought, and then on the road to Damascus, he had an encounter with the resurrected Jesus, and what happened? His thinking changed, which caused a changed life. His entire reality was proved to be wrong. Everything he thought about reality, especially with regard to God, was wrong.He recognized he was wrong and began to think completely different, he now thought Jesus was the Son of God the long awaited Messiah and he surrendered to Jesus's Lordship and served Him the rest of his life. Paul should be our example.
@@2Chronicles714_ You wrote: _"Let me give you a biblical example of what repentance means."_ What you gave me is a mass of text which you choose to call _"a biblical example of what repentance means"._ It's clear that what you want to do is merely to recite stuff you've trained yourself to recite, rather than to try to think analytically about what you've trained yourself to recite. Which is why it is clear that you're not about to give so much as five seconds' rational reflection to the criticisms and questioning to which I subject the stuff you say. You wrote: _"To understand the reference of mind in the Bible, it connects with the heart as the very controlling center of the person."_ Is the mind the heart? Yes or No? You wrote: _"So what Jesus is saying when you have changed your mind, everything else will change, especially your conduct along with it."_ Is thinking conduct? Yes or No? You wrote: _"His thinking changed, which caused a changed life."_ What (if anything) do you mean by your phrase, "a changed life", that you do not already mean by "changed thinking"?
Beautiful truth Bob . Faith in Him for His doubtless Guarantee of Everlasting Life alone sets the anchor in the water , forever . Little children can easily understand and believe in Him for that free gift , instantly having irreversible Life at that moment . No better news , ever .
@@2Chronicles714_if you truly believe he is the son of God and died and rose from the dead, you will be saved. As long as you mean it when you say it, then your saved. Praise God!
@highrpmproductions You have to repent of sin first along with believing that Jesus is the Son of God who died on the cross was buried and rose again for our sins. Repent and believe.
@@2Chronicles714_ who said that “ saying you believe” saves ? The Bible teaches the one who believes is not condemned. Not the one who says they believe. Anyone can say anything.
In my youth, my pastor always taught, "God accepts you the way you are, but He doesn't leave you that way". This means it is up to God to change you (sanctification). This process is different for everyone. Some progress faster than others, but all progress. Even if Ray and Todd are right, it is not the believer's behavior that sanctifies him, but God's continued grace. Somewhere (I believe it's in Colossians) the Bible teaches us, "Just as you accepted Christ, so walk in Him". The whole process of salvation (spirit, soul and body) is by grace and not works.
Yes, it is disgraceful to judge another, when ones owns doctrines are out of alignment with God, Christ, the apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, and writers of the New Testament. "The pot calling the kettle black" "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." 2 Peter 3:9
Bob, excellent job ! Thank you GES for clear and precise teaching. The message of life is so freeing. I am so thankful i did not get get misled and burdened with great weight by lordship calvinistic teaching of works salvation. Please keep up the great videos.
I must confess this was a hard video for me to listen to because of my admiration of these two men and their ministries. I also find this an exciting time in my growth in the word to go study the scriptures that they and you have presented and let the lord lead me into his truth. I really enjoy this channel and appreciate yall so much may the Lord bless this channel from Birmingham Alabama
Glad that you're open to Truth . Most aren't . Especially those well down the path of self righteousness , hardened by untold years of the kind of teaching that Comfort/Friel & all Lordship Salvation proponents advocate . Their entire scheme reduces to a never Knowing of one's Everlasting destination based upon one's purely fallible "fruit" ...a completely non quantifiable level of hopefully good enough behavioral performance (works) . The opposite of faith in Him FOR His free gift of Everlasting Life: John 1:12-13,3:1-18,4:10-14,5:24,6:47,11:23-27,20:31 ; Acts 16:31 ; 1 Timothy 1:16 ; Galatians 2:16 .
Luke 9:62, in the New International Version (NIV), states: "Jesus replied, 'No one who puts a hand to the plow and looks back is fit for service in the kingdom of God.'" This verse is part of Jesus' teachings and emphasizes the commitment required to follow Him. The metaphor of putting a hand to the plow and looking back conveys the idea that discipleship involves steadfast focus and dedication. Those who start following Jesus but then turn back or are preoccupied with what they've left behind are likened to someone unfit for service in the kingdom of God. It underscores the importance of resolute commitment in following Jesus and not being swayed by distractions or attachments to the past.
Until a person realizes how wicked there hearts are I can't see how they can understand Grace. Godly sarrow works repentance that leads to salvation. I use my testimony with the way of the master to share the Gospel. When you can get a deceitful heart to say it's a liar thief adulterer fornicator murderer blasphemer. And watch the law open there eyes. And then share the Good news with them. It's amazing Timothy ;The law is good if used properly. Most people categorize sin and don't like to look at individual sins. They call themselves a sinner and everyone does it, but they don't take responsibility for it.they usually justify just like I did before.God laid my sins bare before me. When I seen how wicked I was I asked for forgiveness and meant it. Jesus entered my room I could see the holes in hands.he wrapped his arms around me. The peace and love you feel in the presence of God is undescribable. If anyone has experienced grace and been in the presence of the Lord. I asked him why He lt me see him and He told me He hugs everyone of his children.
I'm glad that you see the truth, brother. I was once like you, and I watched them all the time, especially Ray Comfort. I even tried to spread the gospel the same way he does. (Unsickcessively might I add. People aren't too happy about being called bad people that are full of sin.") Once I found GES, it really opened up my eyes to the truth. Thank you so much, Bob For your hard work! PS I messaged Ray Comfort one time and he straight up told me believing is a work and is not required for salvation. So he's clearly a Calvinist...
Thank you for posting! Todd’s channel Wretched is very popular and was referenced a lot in my old church. He’s very lively and has a great personality for productions, so it’s unfortunate it’s wasted on such bad theology
I came to this video with a great sense of skepticism, but having listened to the arguments presented, I thought there is nothing wrong in what was said. I’m a big believer in reading a passage in context and the explanations presented were greatly encouraging. I still like Todd Friel and Ray Comfort but we all need to be teachable as we move through our Christian walk.
Read a witness book by Ray and get the bigger picture of his words. A 20 second soundbite is not enough. And this guy in video, does he do any witnessing ? Ray has witnessed for 50 years. Peter & Paul say research what you believe
Exactly . Cuz they Top Out at unknowability . How "good is good enough" is a question they can NEVER answer , objectively . But the Doubt free Promise of Everlasting Life is purely objective . Thus completely and by definition "knowable" (1 John 5:10-13 ; John 1:12-13,3:1-18,4:10-14,5:24,6:28-47,10,11:23-27,20:31 ; Acts 16:31 ; Galatians 2:16) .
@@2Chronicles714_the “more” you speak of, after a sincere profession of faith in Jesus as Gods only begotten son; who died to redeem the world from sin and rose again to live and reign forever…that “more” is the working of the Holy Spirit in the believer’s life to bring sanctification. The work of the Holy Spirit conforming us to the image of Jesus. First we are justified through faith; then sanctified throughout our earthly life. Then glorified when Jesus returns to resurrect the dead and rapture the church. Phillipians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ So many more verses which speak on this process.
Thanks, Bob for the clear explanation. Of course, I knew what you were going to say because I've read a number of your books as well as those of other Free Grace Evangelicals. In fact, I wrote my MA thesis titled "An Examination of the Implications for Christian Life and Liberty Stemming from Two Evangelical Views of the Gospel." The two views compared were the Free Grace view and the traditional Reformed view. A summary follows: "A critical point of departure occurs over the content of saving faith and whether saving faith always produces a change that is manifested in a visible expression of spiritual fruit and good works. Evangelicals who advocate for the simple gospel as defined in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 are sometimes accused of preaching a deficient message of “easy-believism” that promotes a libertarian or antinomian lifestyle. Moreover, it is argued, that a gospel lacking a call to turn from sin may result in so-called believers who are not genuinely saved. Advocates of the simple gospel share the concern regarding the decline of moral behavior in the body of Christ. However, they do not agree that adding subjective conditions to the gospel will provide the needed remedy, nor will leading believers to continually question the authenticity of their faith by gauging their behavior against specific values or standards. These schemes may lead to debilitating doubts and spiritual defeat. A gospel message that incorporates subjective elements that provide little or no assurance can scarcely be called good news. A different, but similarly undesirable consequence may emerge from this. Upon successfully conquering some major sin in his life, a new believer, may not come to see how lesser sins, even very minor ones, will hamper the working of the Holy Spirit in his life and thus delay and diminish his spiritual growth. His Christian walk will be characterized by mediocrity."
Telling people that they don't need to know who Jesus is or what he did and that we only need to believe in a promise can create a false convert. Just saying because the fact that you think that you don't need to preach the sacrifice for sins is just as false as their lordship salvation. It's 2 heads of a false coin.
Thank you! My trust is in Jesus and Him alone, I know me and I'm not trustworthy. It's ALL HIM. I wonder if the "dog to his vomit, pig to it's mire", isn't a reference to what Paul said about being saved by grace and then returning to the law for salvation? He was more than a little disdainful of that course of action. I appreciate your work in overturning the tables of these money-changers.
No, it's obvious The dog going back to the vomit was a man going back to his sin. Has nothing to do with going back to the law. It wasn't Paul speaking, it was Peter
Well, it’s good to know that, like Paul, we can “fight the good fight” and “finish” the race without works. I’m also thrilled with the idea that we can be faithful “servants” without the expectation of doing our due diligence. This is indeed freeing!
“Faithful is HE who has called you; It is HE Who Shall perform it.” ~ Apostle Paul ~ (1 Thess 5:24 Aramaic) ~~~ Amen !!! ~~~ :) And, May I add "NEVER Leave, NOR Forsake us" !!! ~~~ :)
12:17 "When we believe in him, for what he has promised: everlasting life, then we have that gift; we have everlasting life, and we continue to know we have that gift, as long as we continue to believe the promise." I'm not a smart man; I don't really understand how this is any different than what the people you're criticizing said.
It can be missed, you need to listen to them carefully, especially when they are out to "preach". They put emphasis on "turn away from sins" - because they do not understand the word "repent". And by doing so they add a necessity of working for the grace of God on our part - but you cannot work for Grace, you are given grace as a gift, through faith. Not of works, so no man may boast. Ray Comfort and Calvinists like Todd Friel, Paul Washer, Macarthur etc. - all they do is make people doubt their salvation and the result is trembling, fear, confusion and lack of assurance. They make people focus on the imperfect self that can never be perfect before receiving a glorified body in the resurrection. We need to put all our focus on the Holy One, who is Christ Jesus our Lord in whose name alone there is salvation and Eternal Life.
The comment below is what Living waters replied to me when I debated his false Gospel- "You are saying the sinner has to “believe.” He has to “do” something. That’s works righteousness. Another gospel. We are saved by grace alone" (Living waters) I guess Acts 16:30-31 “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.” can be deleted from the bible!
49 “Master,” said John, “we saw someone driving out demons in your name and we tried to stop him, because he is not one of us.” 50 “Do not stop him,” Jesus said, “for whoever is not against you is for you.”
Absolutely astounding how many people within christianity challenge the integrity of Jesus Christ. So many times i have heard it said " You can't just believe in Jesus and make it to heaven" Yet Jesus clearly says over and over again "whoever believes in Him has eternal life . Some within christianity say that a born-again person is not eternally secure yet Jesus says " whoever believes in Him has eternal life and will never perish, hunger, thirst, be cast out, plucked out ect... To think that there are those who think they know more than Jesus and must correct Him. UNBELIEVABLE. Thankyou, GES
So why then does Jesus say in Matthew 7:21-23 I NEVER KNEW YOU DEPART FROM ME YE WORKERS OF INIQUITY? They believed in Jesus did works He told us to do The key words are "knew" and iniquity. They lived a life of continuous unrepentant sin so He could not "know" them, they were not His sheep.
@@2Chronicles714_Jesus was speaking about the False prophets in this passage. There is nothing in these verses that said they believed in Jesus. They have BAD fruit, meaning their message is bad because it goes against what Jesus said . Exactly like your message.
@@Daviddaze John 6:67 “Then Jesus said to the twelve, Will you also go away? 68 Then Simon Peter answered, Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life, 69 and we believe and know that you are Christ, the Son of the living God. 70 Jesus answered them, Have I not chosen you twelve? And yet one of you is a devil. 71 He spoke this of Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon. For it was he who would betray him, and was one of the twelve.” Where does it ever say Judas believed? It says Jesus chose Him, that doesn’t mean he believed. Jesus chose him for a purpose, he knew he would betray Him. just like God chose Pharaoh in Egypt for a purpose when He delivered the Israelites from slavery. When God chooses to use someone to serve His purpose, it doesn’t necessarily mean they are believers.
@ 11:47 "Ultimately, their position has no room for assurance of everlasting life, because none of us can be sure that we're going to persevere to the end. None of us can be sure we're not going to fall away. But guess what? We can all be sure we have everlasting life, because the condition is simply BELIEVING on the Lord Jesus Christ for the, what he calls, "gift of God" which is everlasting life. John 4:10-14." 1. You criticize Lordship Salvation, repentance of sins, struggling with God through our entire life seeking obedience, by saying, "because none of us can be sure that we're going to persevere to the end." 2. By then state, "None of us can be sure we're not going to fall away." 3. But your criticism against Lordship Salvation IS the criticism against your own position. You state, "...the condition is simply BELIEVING on the Lord Jesus Christ..." But you don't know if you will persevere with that faith till the end. Our assurance onto salvation is Christ's finished work upon the cross. He saves His people to the uttermost and will lose none that the Father has given to Jesus. Our assurance onto salvation is Christ's ability to persevere His people to the end. NOT in our own ability to persevere with faith to the end. Because we have no assurance we will continue believing in 5-10 years. Else, we should know all lottery numbers, to all lotteries, because we know the future. Our assurance is in Christ, not within ourselves.
@@GESvids ""(Being born again)...if they take place at the moment of faith, then the continuity of that faith is not the issue, the existence of faith is the issue." (Your video you linked @ 0:49) You can fall away from the faith and still be saved? "They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they were of us, they would have remained with us;" 1 John 2:19 LSB So, a person's continued faith is not required? For the rest of our lives, we can be devoted to idolization, murder, and adultery? You sound like a false Christian, who has a false faith, being a false teacher, if continued faith is not required. Just say the "magic prayer" and you're in. You are a false teacher, Bob. Please stop teaching. You're teaching wrongly.
@@GESvids From your link: ruclips.net/video/gl25MR3kHZM/видео.html @ 5:19 "You simply believe that Jesus gives you eternal life that you can never lose." Yes, we are saved, because of God, through faith. But you did NOT answer my questions. You refused to answer ANY questions, but instead scapegoated with misdirection. (The video did NOT add anything.) You can fall away from the faith and still be saved? (Which means preservation is required.) For the rest of our lives, we can be devoted to idolization, murder, and adultery? (Which means repentance is required.)
"Do You Need to "Continue to Believe" to be Saved?" by Zane C. Hodges ruclips.net/video/gVSHapWvUW4/видео.html "Turn or Burn? - Do I Need to Repent of My Sins to Be Saved?" by Bob Wilkin ruclips.net/video/R7ojRyeD0DM/видео.html
I was deceived and duped by lordship salvation early in my Christian walk about 30 to 35 years ago. I was what you would call a "MacArthurite" and was even a member of his church and defended lordship salvation with zeal. I had gotten saved early on by simple faith in Christ but after that I was duped and it took me years to get out of that mindset. Thank God for the simple message of believing in Jesus and being certain of Salvation because of everything he did for us.
Are you a disciple? A disciple of whom? What is a disciple? Did Jesus ever say to follow Him? What does it mean to follow Him? Are you following Him? Do you love Jesus? Didn't Jesus say that if you love Jesus you would obey all that He commanded? Wait, what? You're not obeying Jesus? How can you say you are a disciple of Jesus if you are not following Him and obeying all He commanded? Belief/faith produces obedience. If there is no obedience, there is no faith. If their is no faith there is no regeneration. If therr is no regeneration there is no salvation.
@@GESvids Yes, true belief (faith) is gifted by God at the point of regeneration. Who are those that follow Jesus but those who know that their redeemer lives. Knowing you are saved is believing, and believing is confident assurance, having confident assurance in your King produces steadfast obedience.
EVERYTHING is by grace, namely God's personal active and ongoing intervention. for the works we will force ourselves to do out of fear or pride in our unbelieving response to the Law, WILL NOT COUNT
Luke 9:62, in the New International Version (NIV), states: "Jesus replied, 'No one who puts a hand to the plow and looks back is fit for service in the kingdom of God.'" This verse is part of Jesus' teachings and emphasizes the commitment required to follow Him. The metaphor of putting a hand to the plow and looking back conveys the idea that discipleship involves steadfast focus and dedication. Those who start following Jesus but then turn back or are preoccupied with what they've left behind are likened to someone unfit for service in the kingdom of God. It underscores the importance of resolute commitment in following Jesus and not being swayed by distractions or attachments to the past.
unfit for SERVICE. 6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. 7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
Are those two suggesting repenting = never sinning again? 1 John says they’re liars for doing so. The Bible states 1 sin gets you into hell, by 1 sin you’ve broken ALL of the law, so what’s the difference between a believer who lives a sinful life and a Christian who lives an almost ‘perfect’ life? Nothing! Because by sinning once they have broken ALL of the law! Jesus is the only one who is perfect.
Can people see since the moment of your conversion that God is working in your life to make you Holy? Philippians 2:13 For it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure. Can you see that? When you look at the world and maybe it decieves you,and draws you to it,that God comes and disciplines you? When you participate in sin you can't stand it because the Holy Spirit is so convicting you. Or can you call yourself Christian and still look like the world, act like the world,talk like the world,dress like the world,do everything that the world does? 1 John 2:15-17 Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16For all that is in the world-the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride of life is not from the Father but is from the world. 17And the world is passing away along with its desires, but whoever does the will of God abides forever. He's going to little by little remove from you,your desire and fellowship with the world, and the lust thereof and He's going to replace that with a desire and a fellowship with Christ. Philippians 2:12-15 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, 13 for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure. 14Do all things without grumbling or disputing, 15 That you may be blameless and innocent, children of God without blemish in the midst of a crooked and twisted generation, among whom you shine as lights in the world. Since your supposed conversion are you growing in your devotion to God,and your love for Christ? Are you growing in Holiness, striving for Holiness or are you the same person that you were when you began? 1 Peter1:14-17 As obedient children, do not be conformed to the passions of your former ignorance, 15but as he who has called you holy also be holy in all your conduct, 16since it is written, “You shall be holy, for I am holy.” 17And if you call on him as Father who judges impartially according to each one’s deeds, conduct yourselves with fear throughout the time of your exile Do you still love the world? James 4:4 You adulterous people! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. John 14:15 IF you love me, you will keep my commandments.
@@2Chronicles714_ Old Chronicles still spreading a false understanding of repentance on youtube. How often have you been corrected? I have the feeling you need to free yourself from Calvinist heresy. Who cares what people around you may think or not? Does it mean someone is saved, if they all of a sudden go to Church? No. Does it mean someone is saved, when all of a sudden he has a zeal for God? No. Does it mean, someone is NOT saved, when they do not go to church? No again. What matters is what God knows, for he knows the heart. It is true, that being born again drastically changes our lives. That still does not make repentance a work, for repent comes from the French repentir and is the regret of sin in the medieval French. And re-penser, where it is derived from means to re-think, literally. As does "metanoia" in greek. Salvation is by turning away from the works of the law as means for salvation to Christ or from Idols to Christ, or from atheism to Christ, from work salvation to Christ etc. It does not mean to turn away from sins. Turning away from sins - if it happens by true change of the inner man, rather than being motivated by fear of punishment or seeking of reward or seeking to "convince ourselves that our faith is true" - as Calvinists do - is the work of Salvation, and not required for Salvation. And that's what is important here. The Gospel of can be preached to a man who has committed many murders in his life and before he gets executed he can hear the Good News of God - if he believes and trusts fully in Jesus Christ, he will be saved. Fruit inspectors are self righteous hypocrites who would do well to preach the true Gospel and focus on their own sins, rather than preaching work salvation - which is what they do.
@@KezzaTianzun If they have the Holy spirit - why do they keep boasting? Ray comfort walks around with a camera teams, puts the cameras in the faces of random people, tells them they are sinners, when he meets someone who says the believe and trust in Jesus, but are "not perfect", that is, without sin - he tries to argue that they may not be "true converts" - as if he, ray comfort, was free of Sin. How full of yourself do you need to be to ask "do you live in holiness" - the only holiness we have is the Holy Spirit. Our works - even the ones we do for God - are the result of the Holy Spirit dwelling in us. There can be no boasting, but Ray certainly is a big boaster. I can't stand to listen to this fruit inspecting heretic and his false Gospel.
@@springflowerblosomnorris9721. Salvation is from the grace and faith that caused that prayer. So it was with the thief on the cross. You don’t know whose life is in the process of changing and whose is not. I once witnessed to a man who was sick in the hospital. He made an answer of some kind, but really at the time, I thought I had wasted my time (from an earthly perspective.). If you met that man now, you wouldn’t know him. He is a totally on-fire Christian and has been for about 12 years. I didn’t see it coming. I have wondered what happened to him, maybe somebody else witnessed to him later. I don’t know and nobody knows what those who accept Christ will do. We don’t know which long time church people will walk away either.
@@mchevalier-seawell4438 FAITH is what we do for Jesus Christ. SALVATION is what Jesus Christ does for us. The true salvation is like a marriage: we marry Jesus Christ and he becomes our Lord. Ephesians 5:30-32 30For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. 31For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. 32This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. The scriptures were written for us to learn how to put our FAITH in practice. Our FAITH has to endure till the END. Revelation 2:10 KJV - Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou FAITHFUL UNTO DEATH, and I will give thee a crown of life. FAITH is a lifestyle, a LIVING partnership with the LIVING God. We are PROTECTED by God's NAME. It is God's NAME and REPUTATION on the line. You can TRUST in God's NAME. Isaiah 50:10 KJV - Who is among you that feareth the LORD, that obeyeth the voice of his servant, that walketh in darkness, and hath no light? let him TRUST in the NAME of the LORD, and stay upon his God. Zephaniah 3:12 KJV - I will also leave in the midst of thee an afflicted and poor people, and they shall TRUST in the NAME of the LORD. ALL glory to Lord God Almighty and Jesus Christ my savior, blessed be his NAME forever and ever. Numbers 6:24-27 Revelation 22:3-4
@@springflowerblosomnorris9721 LOL....Say that to a dying person. Before he dies (any second now) he needs to have a relationship with the Lord or he or she is going to hell.
Jesus not only died for you but lived for you as well. Why then would anyone think they need to live for Christ in order to be saved if he already did all the work? You live for Christ because he commands it and because you will reap rewards in Heaven, NOT because God will see your obedience and decide that you're good enough to go to Heaven. They teach works-salvation very cleverly repackaged.
Our obedience absolutely is evidence of regeneration. To claim Jesus did it all so we do nothing is not at all scriptural. Hebrews 12:14 Make every effort to live in peace with everyone AND TO BE HOLY, WITHOUT HOLINESS NO ONE WILL SEE THE LORD. 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9 IN FLAMING FIRE TAKING VENGEANCE ON them that know not God, AND THAT OBEY NOT the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ 9WHO SHALL BE PUNISHED WITH EVERLASTING DESTRUCTION from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power. 1 Corinthians 10:21You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons too you cannot have a part in both the Lord’s table and the table of demons 2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless, God’s solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription “The Lord knows those who are his, and, “EVERYONE WHO CONFESSED THE NAME OF THE LORD MUST TURN AWAY FROM WICKEDNESS.” Titus 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him being abominable and disobedient, and unto every good work. 1 John 2:4 He that saith I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
@@2Chronicles714_ Romans 4:5-6 - But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. ^That right there blows your incorrect interpretation out of the water. Once you believe, you are saved. Nothing is required of you to do anything more. Under your works-based salvation system one can never have assurance of salvation.
@@2Chronicles714_ We SHOULD surrender our lives to Jesus and obey him. The point is doing or not doing that is not a determining factor for eternal salvation. And sacrificing your life to follow him is most definitely a work, it's a huge deal to do that, much more involved than memorizing a verse, not sure where you're going with that.
Very disingenuous video. Definitely not a fair review of what Friel and Comfort were saying. They definitely do NOT preach a works salvation. They actually preach hard into Grace, and that it is only the work of Christ that saves. The reason that Ray Comfort answers with parables about false converts is because that's what the question was. The fact that you didn't pick up on that I guess showed how little you were actually paying attention to what was said.
To free grace false doctrine, repentance is a work, worship is a work, obedience is a work, loving the Lord is a work etc. Dont waste your breath, they won't hear it
@@Be_An_Esther Repent means to change your mind about what you were trusting or believing before. Jesus told us many times to believe in Him and you HATH everlasting life. Jesus didn't tell us to worship or be obedient or love the Lord to HATH everlasting life. Those things are service/discipleship AFTER being saved. It is not about us or what we do to be saved or stay saved. The work is finished by Christ and it is only 100% Christ alone that saves us if we believe in Him. This is the simplicity of Christ that is apparently lost to you. Do you believe the record God gave us about his Son? Do you know you have eternal life right now or do you believe in a false jesus that only saves you because of what YOU do? Get the spotlight off yourself.
@@GiftofGrace88My whole life I've thought repentance means to turn away from sin. So if repentance means to change your mind, then what does it mean to repent of your sins? Does the Bible even say to repent of our sins?
@@BloodandSoil990 Not even once in the entire Bible is repent of sins mentioned. Repentance and it's other word forms are listed 112 times in scripture. God Himself is said to have repented well over 30 of those mentions in the Bible. Repentance can have different meanings, but God doesn't repent of sins, and humans do not repent or turn from sins to be saved. We believe or trust in Jesus and His finished work for our forgiveness. I was once in these guy's camp, so I know what they mean, and the problem is they sin every day just as the sinner does, either in thought or deed or both. Breaking the least commandment we break the whole law, so we all do it everyday. The difference between the saved and the lost isn't their sin relationship, it is their Son relationship. Do they trust themselves or the Son for saving, keeping, and assuring salvation.
@@GiftofGrace88 either you misunderstood Be_An-Esther, or you just wanted to lecture him/her on something he/she already knows. Read his/her comment again.
Being a genuine Christian is the change on the inside and it shows on the outside, Jesus said you will know them by there fruits. Just because you say your a Christian doesn't really hold water, but being Obedient to Gods commands, shows evidence that your truly saved, Jesus also said you must deny yourself and pick up your cross And fallow me. Faith without works is dead.
@bradmccoy7996. Blanket statements like that are like never and always. The thief on the cross was saved by faith without a single fruit of any kind being visible. Foxhole conversions don’t show works, neither do deathbed conversions. But they occur and are real faith.
In the passage that says “ you will know them by their fruits” who is Jesus speaking about… read the context. Taking up your cross and following Christ is discipleship, it’s a daily process of being conformed into Christ’s image. Putting off the flesh and following after the spirit, this is not salvation. Faith without works is dead, meaning it’s unprofitable and of no use to others. Doesn’t mean faith without works isn’t faith, otherwise the verse wouldn’t make any sense at all, James would say “ Faith without works doesn’t exist” but he doesn’t, he knows it does happen which is why he is encouraging believers to add to their faith. We are saved by grace through faith apart from works ( faith alone), but we will not be profitable if our faith does not produce works.
True salvation brings forth fruit, a changed life to any man not just some. 2 Corinthians 5:17 King James Version 17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
how much of a changed life must there be ? I dont want sin anymore but still struggle with it and fall sometimes I want a relationship with God and to walk with Him but I find it difficult how to put that into practice so do a very poor job is such a man as me saved or not how can we know ?
@@Goldtaker23 Hi, the struggle with sin is real comes to all of us, anyone who teaches sinless perfection is heretical, also the teaching of sin is ok as a believer is a heretic. We are in this body of death, corrupted, and imperfect as we are the Christian is just the best of a bad lot. We strive daily to live in odedience to Christ and there lies the difference. A relationship with Christ is a daily walk with him by reading His word, prayer, witnessing to name a few. We grow in grace and knowledge of our Savior the more we get the word of God in us. We are saved by the word of God 1 Peter 1;23. ( Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.) and 2 Tim 3;15 ( And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.) God bless.
Who in their right mind would want to become a Christian just to continue sinning freely? When I was an atheist, I sinned without feeling bad. Now I still sin but feel bad about it. So it's absurd to claim people become Christian just to keep sinning as Comfort and Friel claim. They mix salvation in with discipleship. Salvation is free. Discipleship comes afterwards and is voluntary.
@@2Chronicles714_would you say that the believers in Corinth that paul rebukes for behaving carnal, behaving like the unbelievers, sleeping with prostitutes, in some cases, behaving worse than unbelievers ( such as someone sleeping with his fathers wife and boasting about it) are not saved then? Even though paul calls them beloved brethren, says they call on Jesus Christ both their God and ours, are sanctified saints… yet they was living like the world.
@@letstalktech96 1 Corinthians 5:5 It outlines the process of church discipline. Apparently, the sinning wife has already responded with repentance but not the stepson. So the apostle Paul was giving Satan freedom to afflict the body by following the process of church discipline. The ultimate end could be the stepson's death if necessary. That his body might be shook, buffeted, afflicted, and tortured in a terrible manner; that by this means he might be brought to a sense of his sin, to repentance for it, and make an humble acknowledgment of it: that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus; that he might be renewed in the spirit of his mind, be restored by repentance, and his soul be saved in the day of Christ; either at death, when soul and body would be separated, or at the day of the resurrection, when both should be reunited; for the flesh here means, not the corruption of nature, in opposition to the spirit, as a principle of grace, but the body, in distinction from the soul: nor was the soul of this man, only his body, delivered for a time unto satan; the end of which was, that his soul might be saved, (which could never be done by delivering it up to satan).
@@Daviddaze Judas was condemned because he didn’t believe. “But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him.”
@@GESvids In John 5:24, Jesus says, “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears my word and believes him who sent me, has eternal life; he does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life. The Greek present participles for “hearing” and “believing” (akouōn, pisteuōn) indicate an ongoing action. If one were to stop hearing and believing in Christ he would lose his justifying state.
@@apostolicapologetics4829 Is “Continuous” Believing Required for the New Birth? May 1, 2021 by GES Webmaster in Grace in Focus Articles By Steve Elkins I really enjoyed Dan Wallace when I had him for Greek grammar. I thought he was one of the best teachers at my seminary. But presently I’m grieved that his Greek Grammar: Beyond the Basics has won the day in Evangelical schools and carries such great influence over preachers and teachers. In writing about the substantival present participle (which is simply a present participle with the article and acts as a noun), he correctly points out that the aspect of the tense is diminished. Aspect means the progress, result, or simple occurrence of something. All the grammars say this, including that the tense becomes gnomic (i.e., timeless). In other words, the substantival participle is not stating something is happening, just that it has happened. Other grammars (e.g., Robertson) point out that the emphasis (via the article) is now placed on the noun it has become or the person the verb is modifying. The Believer and the Baptist For instance, concerning the present participles in John 3:16, the emphasis is not at all on the continual nature of belief, but gnomically, that this person has believed. Therefore, the emphasis now is on “what happens” to such a person: he or she will never “perish, but has eternal life.” Thus, the participle functions as a noun: the one who believes could be translated the believer. See, for example, John the Baptist. In Mark 6:14 we read, Iōannēs ho baptizōn. That is the name John and the present participle of baptizō. It could be translated as John the one who baptizes; John the one who baptized; John the baptizer; or, as nearly all English translations render it, simply John the Baptist. This verse illustrates the point well since John was already dead, having been beheaded by Herod. He was not baptizing anyone anymore. But he was still John the Baptist. Wallace correctly discusses, Thus, for example, in Matt 5:28, “everyone who looks at a woman (pas ho blepōn…)…does not mean “continually looking” or “habitually looking” any more than four verses later “everyone who divorces his wife” (pas ho apolūōn…) means “repeatedly divorces”! (Greek Grammar, p. 616, emphasis added). Thus, for example, ho baptizōn in Mark 1:4 does not mean one who “continually baptizes” but simply “the baptizer” (Greek Grammar, p. 620, emphasis added). So far, Wallace is agreeing with all the Greek grammars, but then he says something odd, because it’s so contradictory to his point later, Secondly, many substantival participles in the NT are used in generic utterances…As such it is expected to involve a gnomic idea. [ed. gnomic= a timeless fact. It does not say that something is happening, but that something does happen.] Most of these instances involve the present participle. But, if they are already gnomic, we would be hard-pressed to make something more out of them-such as a progressive idea” (Greek Grammar, pp. 615-16, emphasis added). Shockingly, while he admits he’s “hard-pressed” to find the progressive/continuous idea, that’s just what he proceeds to do! In an extreme case of special pleading, with no support at all, Wallace departs from what all grammars say and argues that the substantival participle of John 3:16 is a special category all to itself. The idea seems to be both gnomic and continual: “everyone who continually believes.” This is not due to the present tense only, but to the use of the present participle of pisteuō, especially in soteriological texts of the NT (Greek Grammar, pp. 620-21, emphasis added). I said above that Wallace has no support because, as is usual from fellows of this persuasion, they offer non-validated proof-texts, of which the briefest glance shows them to argue not for, but against their points (e.g., footnote 22, p. 621. I scratch my head at how such a brilliant guy can say these things). John 3:16 and the Condition of Eternal Salvation Earlier in his book, Wallace listed the present participle of pisteuō in John 3:16 as an example of what’s often called a “continual present” (which Wallace classifies as a “Customary [Habitual or General] Present,” Greek Grammar, p. 521). In this Gospel there seems to be a qualitative distinction between the ongoing act of believing and the simple fact of believing (Greek Grammar, p. 522, emphasis added). But no support is given at all for that statement. Rather, Wallace commits what Barr, Nida and others call the “tense fallacy.” On the contrary, any study of John shows just the opposite. There’s no argument for ongoing belief. Rather, emphasis is placed on the simple fact of belief. Among other arguments are these: The metaphors-all emphasizing a single “act” of belief: receive, look, drink, come, eat, hear, (and these non-metaphors: instant life and being raised from the dead). The instantaneous nature of regeneration- one act causing irreversible new birth. The interchangeable aorist tense (36 times). Here are just some of the aorists in John. All are interchangeable with the present tense: • 2:11: “and His disciples believed in Him…” • 2:23: “Many believed in His name…” • 4:39, 41: “the Samaritans believed… and many more believed…” • 7:31: “the people believed in Him…” • 8:30: “and many believed in Him…” • 9:18: “the Jews did not believe..” • 10:42: “many believed in Him…” • 11:45: “many of the Jews…believed in Him.” • 12:42: “many rulers believed in Him…” This presentation was already complete before I read Bob Wilkin’s wonderful article, “Is Continuous Drinking Required for Eternal Life?” In it he states, Let’s say ho pinōn (a present substantival participle) means, as Wallace suggests, “everyone who continuously drinks” (p. 621), and thus it takes continuous believing to be born again…When would a person fulfill that requirement? At a moment in time? Certainly not… After a day of continuous drinking? Nope. After a year? A decade? Five decades? No. If a person ever stopped drinking prior to death he would not fulfill the requirement of continuous drinking. So, if what Wallace is saying is true, a person is not born again unless he continues in faith until death. This leads to tough questions. How can you have assurance before death that you are born again? What if a believer were to go through a time of doubt? Is he unregenerate in Wallace’s understanding? What about a person who has a mental condition that causes him to stop (believing), like paranoid schizophrenia, OCD, or Alzheimer’s?… At the very moment of faith a person is born again once and for all. That is the message of John 3:16; 5:24; 6:35; 11:25-27. At the moment of faith a person “has passed from death into life” (John 5:24). Paul says, “By grace you have been saved…”-a done deal…(Wilkin, “Continuous Drinking,” emphasis added). Scholars Can Be Biased Wallace is a scholar. He’s also irenic, saying nice things about Zane Hodges in a blog upon his death. But he’s biased. Look no further than his cover endorsement of Wayne Grudem’s treatise against Free Grace: “This book is…rock solid in its penetrating insights regarding the Free Grace Movement.” Interesting, since so much of Grudem’s book is against the positions held by Dr. Chafer and the founders of the seminary at which Wallace teaches. It seems he’s more comfortable with John MacArthur, J.I. Packer, and Thomas Schreiner (fellow endorsers), who have little in common with Chafer, Ryrie, and Hodges, concerning the gospel. Twisting Greek grammar, in this case, is tantamount to twisting the Scriptures. Wallace seeks to make the Scriptures fit with his theology-rather than vice versa. If one didn’t know he was so sincere, it would seem an obvious act of subterfuge.
@@apostolicapologetics4829 The One Who Believes: Is Continuous Faith Required to be Born Again? January 1, 2006 by Bob Wilkin in Grace in Focus Articles One argument I hear a lot is that since the Scriptures often refer to believing in Jesus using the present tense, this means that only those who endure in faith in Christ until death “truly believe.” Often the present articular participle is cited. That is the expression ho pisteuōn in Greek. It means the one who believes, the believer, or the believing one. Dr. Dan Wallace certainly adds some fuel to the fire when he says in his Greek grammar: The aspectual force of the present ho pisteuōn seems to be in contrast with ho pisteusas. The aorist is used only eight times (plus two in the longer ending of Mark). Thus, it seems that since the aorist participle was a live option to describe a “believer,” it is unlikely that when the present was used, it was aspectually flat. The present was the tense of choice most likely because the NT writers by and large saw continual belief as a necessary condition of salvation. Along these lines, it seems significant that the promise of salvation is almost always given to ho pisteuōn, almost never to ho pisteusas (apart from Mark 16:16 , John 7:39 and Heb 4:3 come the closest [the present tense of pisteuō never occurs in Hebrews]).1 I find the suggestion that “continual belief [is] a necessary condition of salvation” unbelievable. The evidence is overwhelmingly against it. The Evidence from John 4:13-15: Ho Pinōn Equals Ho Pisteuōn When Jesus evangelized the woman at the well, He used the figure of living water to refer to the saving message and the figure of drinking to refer to believing that message. In v 13 Jesus used a present articular participle, ho pinōn, the one who drinks, as a clear figure for ho pisteuōn, the one who believes. Using Wallace’s reasoning, ho pinōn must refer to a lifetime of drinking.2 Yet Jesus specifically contradicts this, and the woman shows that she understands Him to be speaking of gaining the benefit the very moment one drinks. “‘Whoever drinks [ho pinōn] of this water will thirst again, but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life.’ “The woman said to Him, ‘Sir, give me this water, that I may not thirst, nor come here to draw.’” Jesus doesn’t rebuke her understanding on the permanence of the gift. She understood Him correctly. One drink would quench her thirst forever. She would be eternally secure that very moment. What He corrected was her mistaken notion that He was speaking literally of drinking physical water.
@@apostolicapologetics4829 (Continued: Dr. Wilkin) The Evidence from John 6:35: Ho Erchomenōs Equals Ho Pisteuōn There is a clear verbal tie between John 4:13-15 and John 6:35. The one who drinks (ho pinōn) the water of life will never thirst again (4:14). Likewise, the one who believes (ho pisteuōn) in Jesus will never thirst again (6:35). Unmistakably ho pisteuōn and ho pinōn are parallel. Also in John 6:35 is ho erchomenos, the one who comes. The one who comes to Jesus “shall never hunger.” Clearly, as the bread of life, Jesus promises that the one who eats that bread, that is, the one who believes in Him, will never hunger again. Wallace’s understanding of ho pisteuōn is impossible in light of John 4:13-15 and John 6:35. It appears that he has let theological bias lead him to make a statement that is not grammatically correct. The Evidence from John 11:26: Ho Zōn and Ho Pisteuōn Are Co-Conditions As “the life,” Jesus promises Martha, “Whoever lives [ho zōn] and believes [ho pisteuōn] in Me shall never die” (John 11:26a). If we carried Wallace’s understanding of present participles to this verse, we would understand that anyone who ever ceased living, that is, anyone who physically died, would die spiritually. The only ones who would have everlasting life and hence, never die spiritually, would be those who 1) continuously live, and 2) continuously believe. Yet in the preceding verse Jesus said that believers do cease living. That is, they die physically. Thus, ho zōn cannot mean, “the one who keeps on living.” Nor can ho pisteuōn mean “the one who keeps on believing.” Of course, Jesus explicitly stated that a believer’s faith can cease. He did so in the parable of the four soils. A comparison of Luke 8:12 8:13 makes this clear. The second soil believed for a time. Then it stopped believing. Yet the seed, which is the saving message, clearly germinated in this soil, for Jesus said that “it sprang up” (Luke 8:6). John 11:26 shows that all who simply believe in Jesus for everlasting life while they are yet alive will never die. If the person’s physical life or faith dies, the promise remains true. The moment a person believes in Jesus, he’s eternally secure.
🇻🇳 I received some useful information from you. Thank you.And I would like to respond- Firstly, it's about the context of the question. This is a question about the church and those church members who have bad or wrong lifestyles. I think as you mentioned the Gospels Ray did not speak. Likewise, the lives of believers are not mentioned in the books you mentioned. That is, the subject of the question is answered with an opinion answer for the unbeliever (which Ray practices regularly). And you are the answer of faith pointing to Jesus. I think at each stage, you and Ray are each being called by God to your goals. And he and you both have a target audience for communication. I don't have a problem with faith, nor do I have a problem with being a carnal Christian. I am reminded and learn from both, and I don't see any contradiction.
I’m so thankful for the ministry of GES and also of Zane Hodges. I was at my wits end in the early 90’s and had almost given up because most evangelicals spouted off cliches that denied the faith alone message… They would say they believed it and then turn around and preach works salvation. I was so thankful to discover grace In eclipse by Zane Hodges and I quickly realized I wasn’t alone when it came to the clarity of the gospel. Thank you Bob for your boldness.
Ray Comfort claims that he never willfully sinned after becoming saved. I was taught that all sin is willful. He thinks that his sinning is accidental He therefore thinks that he is sinlessly perfect. He ALWAYS assumes that every single person that he preaches to at the. (Huntington)beach is unsaved and never positively acknowledges anybody's claims of salvation. He is the definition of a "Holier than Thou."
I'm thinking your exactly right. Now say, if someone proclaims they believe but then have no interest whatsoever in Scripture or assembling together? And subsequently continue in disinterest indefinitely? Ray I always watched understanding something doesn't seem to be quite correct. Thanks for quantifying all this with some terminology to help. Todd is okay & I occasionally watch if the topic flys for me. Thank you - blessings,
What if you fall away from genuine faith in Christ's finished work on the cross and then join the Church of Satan? in direct opposition to the God of the bible, Is that person still saved upon death? The free grace position has its problems like the Lordship position. I affirm neither.
If you believe something it will be evident in your life. If I say I love my wife but I beat her,slander,cuss at her and cheat on her. Would you say I love her. So if I say I'm a Christian and don't resemble anything like Bible describes a Christian with the gifs of the spirit. Would you warn that person. Yes, Paul did it and we are commanded to do it. We are snatching them from the fire. Maybe they will repent. Ever since I was delivered God has put it on my heart that you must be born again. There is a dramatic change that happens in a persons life when we meet God. It's like getting struck by lightning. I was saved at about 4 am February 21 of21. I think about that night every day of when I met Jesus. I thought I believed .y whole life when I Jesus into my heart when I was seven. But I wasn't I was living for myself and for the world.Not God.
Tell us more, pfister: How you never disobey God, how you never postpone a good deed because you are tired or a bit lazy. Tell us more, how you never sin. Forget your wife and think of your parents. Do you love them? Have you ever griefed them or disobeyed? Of course you have. It is equal in our relation to our Lord - even if were are saved. I for once have my sincere doubts that these two (at least one of them is a Calvinist) are born again to start with. For they trust in their works and preach a false Gospel. And Friedel goes around saying: God loves me! But he does not love you! For this is exactly what Calvinists believe.
Discipleship of Lk9:62 is made very clear if they would understand Lk14: Jesus' deters them away from discipleship! 'Count the costs' because there is a better way than discipleship that Jesus wants, 'Christ in you'. Why follow when you can abide in?
When scripture speaks about 'do not be like the world' look at the context and you'll see that the world scripture is referring to is the dead religious world of those working their human effort to please God, not the secular world that the wolves pretend to not be like.
When we read Isa64:6, we realise that men's efforts to prove themselves with their law-keeping righteousness is disgusting to God. So the vomit & the mire here indicate the return of man to prove himself with his law-keeping righteous works.
I have to say, of those who would hold to Lordship salvation (which I do) do not believe “works” saves you, but will exhibit the fruit of saving faith. There should be a radical, supernatural change that takes place in the believers life. This work of the Holy Spirit is a miracle for all who come to saving faith in Christ and the Holy Spirit continues His sanctifying work in the believer, growing them holiness. Jesus said, “the gate is narrow and the path is hard that leads to life and those who find it are few.” He says also, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.” Jesus did not suffer and die so we can have our best life now; so we can live how ever we like just so long as we accept him, that He died to save us and I believe, if Christ’s apostles were here today, they’d say the same or similar. My challenge would be: to have a Ray and/or Todd on your podcast in person to cover this topic of Lordship salvation. I appreciate the video, though I respectfully disagree.
*Is there Any Difference Between Entering the Kingdom and Inheriting the Kingdom?* - Bob Wilkin & Ken Yates ruclips.net/video/KaqdSKquFhA/видео.html Bob Wilkin and Ken Yates are answering a question about entering or inheriting the (Millennial) Kingdom? Should these be thought of as synonyms?
@@GESvids Will people enter or inherit the kingdom of God if their sins are not forgiven? If your sins are not forgiven then what? What happens to those whose sins are not forgiven by God?
Issue for entering the kingdom is whether a person has everlasting life. See: *It's Better Evangelism to Talk About Everlasting Life* - Mike Lii ruclips.net/video/5DeM3yKIRH0/видео.html Mike Lii of the Zane Hodges Library, explains why it is better to use the term "everlasting life" for the gift that one is believing in Jesus for.
Issue for determining a person's eternal destiny, is whether a person has everlasting life, instead of whether one's sins are forgiven. Please see: *It's Better Evangelism to Talk About Everlasting Life* - Mike Lii ruclips.net/video/5DeM3yKIRH0/видео.html Mike Lii explains why it is better to use the term "everlasting life" for the gift that one is believing in Jesus for.
I wonder what Jesus meant when he spoke of the strait gate and the wide gate in Mathew 7:13 and 14? Again Jesus saying, “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord,Lord…” Mathew 7:21. How about Paul writing to the Romans, chapter 10 verse 9, “…confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus…? Both Jesus and Paul must have believed in “lordship salvation.
What is the Will of the Father? (Matthew 7:21) - Bob Wilkin ruclips.net/video/4rdVUT5xRoE/видео.html Not everyone will enter the kingdom. Some will be excluded. So how do you enter? Jesus said it depends on doing "the will of the Father." What is that? Does that mean doing works, or something else? Bob Wilkin of the Grace Evangelical Society discusses. Must we Confess in Order to be Eternally Saved? Romans 10:9-10 - Bob Wilkin ruclips.net/video/ta-aOFWeAWk/видео.html Confession is an important part of the Christian life. But is it necessary to confess in order to be eternally saved? Dr. Bob Wilkin discusses Romans 10:9-10.
Bob, assuming that you believe that there is such a thing as a false convert, what would be your explanation of what that actually is? Scripture references, if you have them. This a question that I have yet to hear someone from the antinomianism side answer.
lol antinomian side… so literally St. Paul. Anyway… a false convert is someone who hasn’t renounced works salvation or denies Christs deity… these are the two camps of people addressed by the Goepels and the Epistles. In the Gosprls we have the Pharisees who Jesus took great lengths to show they weren’t justified by their adherence to the law and that they fell short in reality and in the epistles we have the gnostics being addressed, they denied Jesus was a man, that sin is a thing etc
@@freegraceauI think there may be some truth to the parable of the sower as far as false converts are concerned I just don't know how to judge such a thing and it really not up to me the biggest thing is that Jesus said there were those whose the seeds were planted in shallow ground and when grew were burned up cause of shallow roots I think the other thing he was talking about was legalism in general Judaism being the biggest offender
@@evanwildermann7034 reads the parable of the 4 soils in Luke. Jesus is very clearly that those who believe are saved. What happens after that as far as falling away is a matter of discipleship. Learning to divide between Salvation and Discipleship will open your understanding of the scriptures.
While we are in this body; we just aren't going to be alright. When we do die our spirit is going to God and our sinful flesh will deteriorate to nothing. Yes we now have 2 natures....but after death all will be well. There is a grave but there is no hell. Pray; trust God.
they talk about Paul saying that Demas forsook him as a carnal Christian. why don't they call Paul a carnal Christian, since he clearly says in romans 7 that he is one. "For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin."
They Conflate Salvation and Discipleship. And also Conflate The Kingdom of Heaven and The Kingdom of God. Anyone who believes in Jesus Christ will get into The Kingdom of Heaven, but you must also be a Disciple of Jesus Christ to get into The Kingdom of God. We may receive five Crowns 👑👑👑👑👑 for Believing, Preaching, Teaching, Discipling and Witnessing to lay at Jesus feet when you get to Heaven.
They know false converts. 🙄 What they [should] know is false teachers! I can’t even listen to these guys anymore. As in watching them and hearing their voices makes me nauseous. Probably not the way a person should be, but .. 🤷♂️
I have really enjoyed Ray Comfort’s videos, but he does seem to miss the mark on some points. When i was younger, with less life experience, i would have definitely been in the lordship camp, however the more years i live the more i realise how bad my actions are at the core. If it’s not grace, there is no chance i will be acceptable. I have had seasons of steadfastness and dedication, and other of struggling with sin greatly. If Jesus doesn’t ultimately save me, i will never make it.
How is Ray extreme? He is doing what Jesus told us to do? Are you Bob? Are you a good person? You are picking apart a Godly man and doing videos against Christians. Do a video on this dark world and be a fisher of men instead of firing at a man who is doing the LORDS work. This is a problem with Christians, let me show you I'm right instead of doing what Jesus said. Spread the gospel. Rays work is spreading the gospel, that's what he means. All his videos share the gospel. C'mon man!
Thank you Bob! You helped me see the true Gospel. When I was a new believer I was in misery & confusion as I first followed the lordship false prophets like Ray Comfort, Paul Washer, John Macarthur, James White etc.. who unless they drop all hope on their own works and trust in Christ alone, they'll all say Lord Lord on that day. Thank you again for fighting the good fight.
Yes, but you would receive dishonour at the judgement seat of Christ where believers are judged according to their works and you would miss out on reward.
@ZandJ12345 Matthew 7:21-23 NASB1995 [21] “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. [22] Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ [23] And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’
@ZandJ12345 Matthew 5:14-16, 29-30 NASB1995 [14] “You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden; [15] nor does anyone light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on the lampstand, and it gives light to all who are in the house. [16] Let your light shine before men in such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven. [29] If your right eye makes you stumble, tear it out and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. [30] If your right hand makes you stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to go into hell. "Hell", not "no reward".
@ZandJ12345 this is dangerous teaching, brother. If we are wrong and you are right, we will still be saved, and even be rewarded greatly. Why? Because not only did we have faith but we strived to obey. But if we are right and you are wrong? Many of you will not be saved because most people will just do the bare minimum to be saved, which is just superficially believing with nothing to show for it. After all, what matters most to them is salvation and rewards are just extra. I know that there are many ways to interpret the Bible, but wouldn't it be better to go with the interpretation that is the safest?
@@gemgem-hl7ii I see you were just champing at the bit when you asked your so called "QUESTION". If you had s/thing from scripture to substantiate what it is you believe it, that would be one thing, but to just fire off & say the following - and no disrepect - but it's plain nonsense. *=====>* _"But if we are right and you are wrong? Many of you will not be saved because most people will just do the bare minimum to be saved, which is just superficially believing with nothing to show for it. After all, what matters most to them is salvation and rewards are just extra."_
@@grizz4489 I saw this video of Bob's, and I can say that his explanation is way oversimplified and doesn't really nail the meaning of what the term "lordship salvation" actually is. Like the detractors who created that term, (it was not created by John MacArthur), Bob explains it in a way that appears to say that, CHRIST'S LORDSHIP is "required" in order to be saved! Nothing could be further from the truth. What the LORDSHIP OF CHRIST IN SALVATION actually means, is that the fruit of salvation results in CHRIST being viewed as LORD over every aspect of our walk. Yes we sin from time to time, however, we don't just shrug our shoulders and take sin lightly. We should display an immediate response of CONFESSION and repentance, knowing that we have HIS forgiveness, as promised in 1 John 1:9, and 1 John2:1, and continue on in our sanctification. Along the way over time, we should see a progression of sinning less. Adhering to the scriptures in an attitude of seriousness is not likened to "works" salvation. It is the natural growth pattern of a committed believer, (Romans 12:1). JESUS said in John 14:15, "If you love ME, you will keep my commandments", (see also:1John 2:3-6)!" This is not about earning salvation, but the reasonable display of behavior of the regenerate person who is growing in sanctification. Bob appears to have a very antinomian view of salvation, but I don't believe he is quite understanding of the topic, going by the explanation that I saw from him. Our assurance of salvation is what JESUS completed on the cross, however, watching HIM change our lives in the most miraculous way and having it displayed by an ever growing love for HIM along with a desire to see HIM glorified in our lives, by our obedience, simply gives credence to that assurance. BTW - You can check out Bob's video for yourself, here: ruclips.net/video/msWsC0srUas/видео.htmlsi=PEkd15-53vgQ7Fw2
Please Bob, don't join the toxic RUclips culture of calling out each others error's, as much as understanding what false doctrine is I do think it's wrong the way pastors & RUclipsrs are using RUclips. We're behaving exactly like the world, we've now got "discernment ministries" which literally mock other Believer's and call it doing God's work. Your content from 10 years ago was brilliant, that's how I found your teaching after being burdened with reformed theology, why can't you call out bad doctrine, by showing us how scripture is interpreted wrong?
Salvation for Comfort is Jesus throwing him out a lifeline and slowly drawing it back while Comfort moves forward trying to grasp it but it's always out of reach. In the end he'll have made it to the shore not because of Jesus but because of his striving to hold onto the lifeline.
Bob thank you for your helpful teachings. I have a question for you if you're even able to answer. Many people who teach the same as you, say that people like Todd and Ray and others are going to hell because they are teaching a false gospel and i think Paul even says let anyone preaching a different gospel be accursed. Wondering what your thoughts are on that? Me personally, i dont think i can make such a bold claim but obviously they believe in Jesus so i would guess and hope they are saved as well.
You are incorrect. Being a Christian for 50 years, I think my experience should give me some perspective. You are criticizing a good ambassador of Christ. You can put out a snippet of anyone and falsely accuse them of not following the gospel. JMHO.
Is some of what you've said contradictory to your own statements/belief? You stated, "By faith in Christ, a person is saved once & for all" & also say, ""We have that gift, we have e/lasting life & we continue to know we have that gift, as long as we *=====>* continue to believe the promise." So, if a person comes to the place where they NO LONGER BELIEVE the promise(s) of God as it relates to e/lasting life, by that statement above, they lose it/forfeit it or however you want to term it? Based on what you've said, if they denounce their faith, they no longer have it, right?
What's ironic is that it's guys like Ray and Todd who are like dogs going back to the vomit - they're trying to go back to the law and be justified by a self-righteousness, by their own "turning from sins" and ceasing from this or that vague amount of wrongdoing, their own living rightly instead. Their own behaviour, their own works and deeds. How complicated is "not by works of righteousness which we have done"? How hard is it to understand "Blessed is that man unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works"? Ray, stop trying to muster up some certain "kind" of faith to save you, just PUT all your faith in the SAVING ONE.
FYI for everybody watching. Repenting of your sins does NOT mean to stop sinning. It means to change your mind toward sin. You will STILL sin at times even after becoming a believer because your flesh is corrupt from the fall of Adam and Eve. False converts are those that never got saved. Salvation is a once in a lifetime event; those that believe the gospel gain eternal life at that moment and it cannot be lost. Period.
@@2Chronicles714_ What do you mean why? Lucifer (Satan) was the very first rebel to exist. He led one third of the angels against God. He hates us because we are in God's image. He wants us to reject God. Although believers will still succumb to temptation and sin, we do not lose our salvation though. God handles believers differently when we sin, compared to non-believers. God chastens believers, and He also let's Satan tempt believers. God even let's Satan destroy believers for certain reasons (Look at Job and what God let Satan do to him; Job was a believer and never lost faith despite God allowing Satan to make job suffer immensely)
You need to study the word repent and thrn you’ll divide the word properly. You’ve been conditioned to hear repent of sin when ever you read repent. It simply means change mind and the context needs to inform of what.
@haydenbray1952 What is the one that God wants you to change your mind about? The only thing that will keep you eternally separated from God. Sin. Certainly, we can all agree that this definition rightly divides Gods meaning; Repenting and turning away from sin means a recognition of my sins, which involves Godly sorrow, brokenness and a commitment on my part to change the direction of my life. Repentance is not an emotion. Its more than being grieved or feeling sorry about my sin and even having remorse. God wants the person to make a decision of the heart and mind [the will] to turn away from sin. Your life was going in one direction [sin] and you make a decision by faith to take your life in the opposite direction with His help. It is making a genuine 180° change of heart recognizing that sin(s) is against God. By turning from our sins to God we acknowledge we have disobeyed God. We have violated His law, offended his moral purity, tried to cast off his yoke of authority. It requires that we admit we have turned from God to sin.That is faith. Repent means change your mind about your sinfulled life ALL SINS INCLUDING UNBELIEF, false gods, witchcraft, self righteousness etc. After repentance there must be a genuine change of life because living in sin is disobedience and rebellion against God and the end result will be destruction of the soul in hell. There must be a change in conduct and how you live. You don't have to remember every sin, Jesus knows them all. Confess ongoing sins, and ask for deliverance of them and forgiveness of all sins. Repentance turning from sin - is a prelude to holiness. Hebrews 12:14 Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy, without holiness no one will see the Lord. Walking in holiness begins with repentance.We should think about it as a lifetime daily discipline of our faith, necessary for a holy life as Jesus says in Matthew 6:9-14. None of us are sinless.
Don't you love it when teachers try to support a works-based salvation method by *interpreting* parables and allegories in a way that contravenes the *clear direct statements* of scripture that say justification and righteousness before God is by faith on Christ *without works?* Ray Comfort seems to be quite self-righteous, much in the way of the Pharisee in Luke 18.
This is what they preach. Galatians 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. 2 Corinthians 5 15,17 And he died for all, that those who live might no longer live for themselves but for him who for their sake died and was raised.17Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.
@@meganstopera652 If we are Christ's then we will be a new creation in Jesus. A new creation doesn't mean living in continuous unrepentant sin using grace as an excuse.
@@2Chronicles714_ please show me a time when anyone from GES claimed that we should unrepentantly live in sin. Praise Jesus that He will gives everlasting life to anyone who believes in Him for it! Praise Jesus that it is not by works that I have done, but by the work that HE HAS DONE!!
@@meganstopera652Yes they do. Watch other videos. Does grace mean that since Jesus died on the cross for our sins that we can live anyway we want to? Should we strive to enter the narrow gate ? Should we try to strive for Holiness? If we do are we trusting in ourselves instead of trusting in the finished work of Jesus?
it does day God is the judge of all (abraham called God this before He sent angels to investigate sodom and gomorrah) and it does say God is not mocked, those who sow to the flesh will of the flesh reap corruption that said, the more i read the bible, it does seem like there is some work/effort involved. We are saved by grace, through faith, our works alone cannot save us. If Jesus had not come, no amount of our 'good' deeds coild ever help us get to heaven. However, if you look at the Lord Lord scriptures, it appears that isnt enougj to just "call" God and Jesus our God and Lord, but faith without works is dead. Salvation technically only comes through what Jesus did, but it seems to be seen as acceptable and chosen by God, theres an element of doing the Father's will, being known by God, not practicing lawlessness (which seems to say not regularly committing sin, but then also not hyoer grace, that is not just doing what many ppl do, merely say a prayer and then go about living their own lives, sinning, and doing their own thing. That also might be lawlessness (refusing God's law and rule over your life)) the fear of the Lord is the beginning kf wisdom, jesus gave a very serious picture of how we should be tresting sin. Hebrrws says we are not to be regularly sinning otherwise there no longer remains a sacrifice for sin. Unforgiveness looks like it can also stop salvation, see parable of great debtor, and the Lords prayer. Parable of wise and foolish virgins, half were ready/wise/prudent, the other half were foolish/unprepared and look to have been left behind doers of the word, not merely hearers who deceive themselves. Faith requires action, i see it like, its belief in something enough that it actually changes how you live. Everyone knows its good to exercise and eat healthy, that knowledge is useless if it is not applied God will one day separate sheep and goats, the qualifier being our actions. If anyrhing, that shows you some of what God really cares about. Post Jesus, the Revelations churches, God speaks correction over them. A fair bit of the nt is speaking correction to believers. Paul turned one man/believer who was committing atrocious sexual sin, "over to satan", why? That his soul might be saved. Implying it could hace been lost/unsaved had he continued in sin. True repentance isn't just saying sorry for sin, it's changing your thinking, turning away from sin/evil, and towards God and the things of God (not remaining in or making a habit/practice of sin/lawlessness, it seems). To say, its a fallacy to think we're immediately perfect on salvation, or that its OSAS once saved always saved. Otherwise, you have to explain how the Lord Lord scriptures can be explained. Many will say on that day...i never knew you, depart from Me many churches preach a hyper grace message, implying kr claiming God doesnt care about how we live or act post being saved. This is wrong, did lying, stealing, killing, idol worship suddenly "become ok" or good to do, post Jesus? No! While Jesus paid the price, it doesnt change the fact that sin is why Jesus chose to come and die for us, and that God hates sin (bc it hurts ourselves and others, and God loves and wants the best for us). To regularly commit or be in or practice sin is part of tbe Lord Lord scriptures and the ppl God rejects. The begjnnjng of wisdom is to fear the Lord (not be afraid of, but have a holy reverence and healtht respect of God), which is to hate evil. In 1John i believe it says let no one deceive you, the one who practices righteousness is righteous, the one who practices evil is of the devil. We're called not to make converts, but to make disciples. The disciples sat and learned at Jesus' feet for 3 years, and a disciples goal is to be like their master in word, deed, action, thought. Every christians goal should be to be like Jesus. Jesus said not my will, but Yours be done, modeling how our goal is to do Father God's will. Though it is relational, see mary vs martha, spending time w God is better than just doing stuff for God. And yet, how did Jesus model it? He woke up early mornings to pray, but then He didnt stay in the prayer closet, He went into the world and went about doing good. is how it looks the more i read scripture. I suggest you look and research on your own wht the bible, and what Jesus said about it, and pray about it. Salvation is by what Jesus did, but to have that salvation it appears we must forgive and not harbor unforgiveness, and there is action/effort involved in truly making Jesus our God in reality/action, not just in name or word. As God leads, respond, trust, obey Jesus says why do you call me Lord and not do what i say? Whom does Jesus then say is a wise versus foolish man? many are called, few are chosen. narrow is the path. Jesus forgave the woman caught in adultery, but then said ' go and sin no more'. Jesus said to pharisees, the true sons of abraham are not just those who physically descended from him, but if you are sons of abraham, do the deeds of abraham. Abraham believed God, but he also obeyed when God spoke as shown by his willingness to give up Isaac. Hebrews or James list other heroes of the faith and how actions accompanied/showed/proved their faith, or showed their internal reality/heart was changed by producing good fruit. To do this we need to abide, remain, live in God, and remain in His word. Without God we are like a dead branch on the ground. Jesus is the tree, if we are connected, we can produce much fruit, which can last. Study the bible for yourself, listen to the prompting you get/feel. Compare with scripture to ensure its God speaking, and not jsut your own thought or the devil trying to mess with you (discernment). Dont just take my word for it, read scripture for yourself and verify or disprove it
We can't stop sinning first, but we absolutely have to make a decision to change our minds (repent) about our sinfulled lifes, to turn away from sin and turn to live for and serve Jesus.
@2Chronicles714_ what's the difference between (1) repenting (making a decision to change our minds) of our sinful lives and (2) turning away from sin?
@@michaelparsons7474 Repenting and turning away from sin means a recognition of my sins, which involves Godly sorrow,brokenness and a commitment on my part to change the direction of my life. Repentance is not an emotion. Its more than being grieved or feeling sorry about my sin and even having remorse. God wants the person to make a decision of the heart and mind [the will] to turn away from sin. Your life was going in one direction [sin] and you make a decision by faith to take your life in the opposite direction with His help. It is making a genuine 180° change of heart recognizing that sin(s) is against God. By turning from our sins to God we acknowledge we have disobeyed God. We have violated His law, offended his moral purity, tried to cast off his yoke of authority. It requires that we admit we have turned from God to sin.That is faith. Repent means change your mind about your sinfulled life ALL SINS INCLUDING UNBELIEF, false gods, witchcraft, self righteousness etc. After repentance there must be a genuine change of life because living in sin is disobedience and rebellion against God and the end result will be destruction of the soul in hell. There must be a change in conduct and how you live. You don't have to remember every sin, Jesus knows them all. Confess ongoing sins, and ask for deliverance of them and forgiveness of all sins. Repentance turning from sin - is a prelude to holiness. Hebrews 12:14 Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy, without holiness no one will see the Lord. Walking in holiness begins with repentance.We should think about it as a lifetime daily discipline of our faith, necessary for a holy life. Matthew 6:9-14. None of us are sinless.
@2Chronicles714_ so, God promises everlasting life to me if I promise (i.e. commit) to change the direction of my life? An exchange of promises like this is a CONTRACT, and if what you say is true, then everlasting life would not be a GIFT to be freely given and freely received but rather it would be CONSIDERATION, to which I would be entilted as a promising party. What happens if I fail to keep my promise? Does God get to rescind the consideration that He offered (i.e. everlasting life)?
There are some good bible study methods. It seems that one of the more popular ones is what i call the " cancel out bible study method ." It goes like this... John 3:16 is no longer true because James 2 :14 cancels it out. Acts 16:31 is not true because Mark 1:15 cancels it out. Ephesians 2:8,9 is canceled out by Hebrews 10:26,27. And so on and so on...... I guess there are many who do not know what a contradiction is. This just baffles my mind.
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False converts are not believers in Christ who others view as living a poor Christian life. False converts are those who are trusting that Jesus will save them on some basis other than faith in His finish redemptive work.
False converts are those who say I believe in John 3:16 and continue living no different than before, while somehow thinking that a change of lifestyle is trying to do it yourself rather than just claiming to trust in Christ.
Paul says Repent of sin and have faith and show evidence of your repentance by your works/lifestyle.
@@2Chronicles714_ You wrote: _"False converts are those who say I believe in John 3:16 and continue living no different than before"_
When you think about it, the phrase _"false convert"_ is an oxymoron, since the phrase _"true convert"_ is a redundancy. I mean, either a guy is a convert, or he is not.
So, if he is a convert, then it is true that he is a convert, and you could call him "a true convert", but what's the point of throwing in the superfluous word, "true", when you could have just called him "a convert"?
And, if he is not a convert, then, of course, it is false that he is a convert. But why use an oxymoronic phrase like "a false convert", since he is not a convert? Why do that when you can just call him "a non-convert"?
Now, regarding John 3:16: either a man is a convert to John 3:16, or he is not. That is, either he believes John 3:16, or he does not believe John 3:16. Now, you spoke of people who say _"I believe John 3:16."_ Perhaps not every person who says _"I believe John 3:16"_ is a person who believes John 3:16. If so, all that means is that some people who say they believe John 3:16 are not converts to John 3:16. Now, of anyone who is not a convert to John 3:16, obviously it is false that he/she is a convert to John 3:16; but why use the oxymoronic phrase, "a false convert", to refer to someone who is not a convert? It is true that a cat is not a dog, and false that a cat is a dog, but would you consider it reasonable to call cats, "false dogs"? No. Why, then, would you think it any more reasonable to call someone of whom it is false that he/she is a convert, "a false convert"?
_"...and continue living no different than before"_
Before _what?_ If you are talking about a convert, then do you mean _before conversion?_ And, if you are talking about a non-convert -- someone who has not converted -- then, I especially ask: *Before **_what?_*
@@2Chronicles714_ And HOW do you know that they're still living as before? You're just trying to defend works-based salvation with your speculations.
@@2Chronicles714_Also, nowhere in the Bible does it say "repent of your sins". Repent means a change of mind! God repented several times in the Bible, does that mean that God sinned?
@@2Chronicles714_ Amen
I came back to my faith after a prodigal experience brought on by divorce after 10 years in 2019. I was looking for resources to help me find my way back. I found the Calvanist and works based salvation people in droves online and it was utterly exhausting and confusing. I've had to find my way back to grace through faith recently and am thankful I did because I was mind numbingly tired.
"Mind numbingly tired" indeed .
The Lordship Salvation Treadmill never shuts off .
Not Knowing one's Everlasting destination is infinitely worse than trying to grasp at Ropes of Sand , or firmly plant one's feet in mid-air ...I better go lay down now😢
My divorce brought me to faith in Christ. Thankfully!! I call it ,"the baggage of calvinism", it's heavy and very burdensome.
@@jolookstothestars6358 I regret letting it take me for a ride like it did. Its a long story, but, God remained faithful even when I didn't. And, I didn't want the divorce and while I wasn't mad at God, I was disappointed. It was a very bleak time.
@@docbrown6797 I totally understand!! Appreciate your honesty.
Matthew 11:28-30
English Standard Version
28 Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”
No one has turned from their sins. These guys are fruit inspectors who feel the sins the other folks commit are the bad ones. I was in this error where I could convince myself that I was "never really saved" for the most silly little reasons. It is about Him, not us. Keep your eyes on the Savior and not the sinner.
Millions have turned from their sins.
Repenting and turning away from sin means a recognition of my sins, which involves Godly sorrow,brokenness and a commitment on my part to change the direction of my life. Repentance is not an emotion. Its more than being grieved or feeling sorry about my sin and even having remorse.
God wants the person to make a decision of the heart and mind [the will] to turn away from sin. Your life was going in one direction [sin] and you make a decision by faith to take your life in the opposite direction with His help.
It is making a genuine 180° change of heart recognizing that sin(s) is against God.
By turning from our sins to God we acknowledge we have disobeyed God. We have violated His law, offended his moral purity, tried to cast off his yoke of authority. It requires that we admit we have turned from God to sin.That is faith.
Repent means change your mind about your sinfulled life ALL SINS INCLUDING UNBELIEF,
false gods,
witchcraft,
self righteousness etc.
After repentance there must
be a genuine change of life because living in sin is disobedience and rebellion against God and the end result will be
destruction of the soul in hell.
There must be a change in conduct and how you live.
You don't have to remember every sin, Jesus knows them all. Confess ongoing sins, and ask for deliverance of them and forgiveness of all sins.
Repentance turning from sin - is a prelude to holiness.
Hebrews 12:14
Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy, without holiness no one will see the Lord.
Walking in holiness begins with repentance.We should think about it as a lifetime daily discipline of our faith,
necessary for a holy life. Matthew 6:9-14.
None of us are sinless.
@@2Chronicles714_ You wrote: _"God wants the person to make a decision of the heart and mind [the will] to turn away from sin."_
And what if the person does not do whatever it is you are calling _"to make a decision of the heart and mind [the will] to turn away from sin"?_
Now, is that two decisions: 1) _"a decision of the heart",_ and 2) _"a decision of the mind"?_ Or, is that only one decision, a decision of the heart/mind (since the heart is the mind/the mind is the heart)?
And, by your phrase, _"to make a decision",_ what do you mean if not _to believe some particular truth?_
You wrote: _"After repentance there must be a genuine change of life"_
Interesting. So, you do not use the word "repentance" and your phrase "a genuine change of life" interchangeably, it seems. Otherwise, what you said, there, would be: _"After repentance there must be [repentance]"_ / _"After [a genuine change of life] there must be a genuine change of life"._ Which, of course, would be kind of an odd thing for you to say, no?
You wrote: _"you make a decision by faith"_
Is not _"make a decision"_ simply a synonym for _"believe"?_ So that, what you are saying, here, is: _"you [believe] by faith"?_ But, since faith is nothing more or less than believing, it seems all you are saying by _"you make a decision by faith"_ is that _"you [believe] by [believing]"._
@alltimeislikethepresent
Let me give you a biblical example of what repentance means.
The Bible calls on men to repent of their sins and believe the gospel.
What does it mean to repent? In Greek it is defined as to change one's mind. It means more than we can conceive in our culture today. To understand the reference of mind in the Bible, it connects with the heart as the very controlling center of the person.It is the control center of emotions, our intellect, and our decision making process. So what Jesus is saying when you have changed your mind, everything else will change, especially your conduct along with it.
A perfect description of repentance is the Apostle Paul. When he was on the road to Damascus he had orders to capture christians, Paul believed Jesus of Nazareth was the biggest blasphemer who ever walked the planet, he also thought christians were a terrible sect that ought to be destroyed.
That's what he thought, and then on the road to Damascus, he had an encounter with the resurrected Jesus, and what happened? His thinking changed, which caused a
changed life. His entire reality was proved to be wrong. Everything he thought about reality, especially with regard to God, was wrong.He recognized he was wrong and began to think completely different, he now thought Jesus was the Son of God the long awaited Messiah and
he surrendered to Jesus's Lordship and served Him the rest of his life.
Paul should be our example.
@@2Chronicles714_ You wrote: _"Let me give you a biblical example of what repentance means."_
What you gave me is a mass of text which you choose to call _"a biblical example of what repentance means"._ It's clear that what you want to do is merely to recite stuff you've trained yourself to recite, rather than to try to think analytically about what you've trained yourself to recite. Which is why it is clear that you're not about to give so much as five seconds' rational reflection to the criticisms and questioning to which I subject the stuff you say.
You wrote: _"To understand the reference of mind in the Bible, it connects with the heart as the very controlling center of the person."_
Is the mind the heart? Yes or No?
You wrote: _"So what Jesus is saying when you have changed your mind, everything else will change, especially your conduct along with it."_
Is thinking conduct? Yes or No?
You wrote: _"His thinking changed, which caused a changed life."_
What (if anything) do you mean by your phrase, "a changed life", that you do not already mean by "changed thinking"?
Well said, great Biblical example.
Beautiful truth Bob .
Faith in Him for His doubtless Guarantee of Everlasting Life alone sets the anchor in the water , forever .
Little children can easily understand and believe in Him for that free gift , instantly having irreversible Life at that moment .
No better news , ever .
Amen
Simply saying you believe in Jesus will not save anyone let alone for eternity.
@@2Chronicles714_if you truly believe he is the son of God and died and rose from the dead, you will be saved. As long as you mean it when you say it, then your saved. Praise God!
@highrpmproductions
You have to repent of sin first along with believing that Jesus is the Son of God who died on the cross was buried and rose again for our sins.
Repent and believe.
@@2Chronicles714_ who said that “ saying you believe” saves ? The Bible teaches the one who believes is not condemned. Not the one who says they believe. Anyone can say anything.
In my youth, my pastor always taught, "God accepts you the way you are, but He doesn't leave you that way". This means it is up to God to change you (sanctification). This process is different for everyone. Some progress faster than others, but all progress. Even if Ray and Todd are right, it is not the believer's behavior that sanctifies him, but God's continued grace. Somewhere (I believe it's in Colossians) the Bible teaches us, "Just as you accepted Christ, so walk in Him". The whole process of salvation (spirit, soul and body) is by grace and not works.
Yes; God completes the work in us; amen.
Spot on!!! Faith alone in Christ alone ❤️
Yes, it is disgraceful to judge another, when ones owns doctrines are out of alignment with God,
Christ, the apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, and writers of the New Testament.
"The pot calling the kettle black"
"The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness;
but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish,
but that all should come to repentance."
2 Peter 3:9
Bob, excellent job ! Thank you GES for clear and precise teaching. The message of life is so freeing. I am so thankful i did not get get misled and burdened with great weight by lordship calvinistic teaching of works salvation. Please keep up the great videos.
His yoke is easy and His burden is light. PRAISE JESUS, THE RISEN LORD!
I must confess this was a hard video for me to listen to because of my admiration of these two men and their ministries. I also find this an exciting time in my growth in the word to go study the scriptures that they and you have presented and let the lord lead me into his truth. I really enjoy this channel and appreciate yall so much may the Lord bless this channel from Birmingham Alabama
Glad that you're open to Truth . Most aren't .
Especially those well down the path of self righteousness , hardened by untold years of the kind of teaching that Comfort/Friel & all Lordship Salvation proponents advocate .
Their entire scheme reduces to a never Knowing of one's Everlasting destination based upon one's purely fallible "fruit" ...a completely non quantifiable level of hopefully good enough behavioral performance (works) .
The opposite of faith in Him FOR His free gift of Everlasting Life:
John 1:12-13,3:1-18,4:10-14,5:24,6:47,11:23-27,20:31 ; Acts 16:31 ; 1 Timothy 1:16 ; Galatians 2:16 .
Luke 9:62, in the New International Version (NIV), states: "Jesus replied, 'No one who puts a hand to the plow and looks back is fit for service in the kingdom of God.'"
This verse is part of Jesus' teachings and emphasizes the commitment required to follow Him. The metaphor of putting a hand to the plow and looking back conveys the idea that discipleship involves steadfast focus and dedication. Those who start following Jesus but then turn back or are preoccupied with what they've left behind are likened to someone unfit for service in the kingdom of God. It underscores the importance of resolute commitment in following Jesus and not being swayed by distractions or attachments to the past.
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Until a person realizes how wicked there hearts are I can't see how they can understand Grace.
Godly sarrow works repentance that leads to salvation.
I use my testimony with the way of the master to share the Gospel. When you can get a deceitful heart to say it's a liar thief adulterer fornicator murderer blasphemer. And watch the law open there eyes.
And then share the Good news with them.
It's amazing
Timothy ;The law is good if used properly. Most people categorize sin and don't like to look at individual sins. They call themselves a sinner and everyone does it, but they don't take responsibility for it.they usually justify just like I did before.God laid my sins bare before me. When I seen how wicked I was I asked for forgiveness and meant it. Jesus entered my room I could see the holes in hands.he wrapped his arms around me. The peace and love you feel in the presence of God is undescribable.
If anyone has experienced grace and been in the presence of the Lord. I asked him why He lt me see him and He told me He hugs everyone of his children.
I'm glad that you see the truth, brother. I was once like you, and I watched them all the time, especially Ray Comfort. I even tried to spread the gospel the same way he does. (Unsickcessively might I add. People aren't too happy about being called bad people that are full of sin.")
Once I found GES, it really opened up my eyes to the truth.
Thank you so much, Bob For your hard work!
PS I messaged Ray Comfort one time and he straight up told me believing is a work and is not required for salvation. So he's clearly a Calvinist...
Thank you for posting! Todd’s channel Wretched is very popular and was referenced a lot in my old church. He’s very lively and has a great personality for productions, so it’s unfortunate it’s wasted on such bad theology
Glorious Father, please correct, bring to repentance, salvation and sanctification those who preach a false gospel.
In Jesus name.
Amen.
I came to this video with a great sense of skepticism, but having listened to the arguments presented, I thought there is nothing wrong in what was said. I’m a big believer in reading a passage in context and the explanations presented were greatly encouraging. I still like Todd Friel and Ray Comfort but we all need to be teachable as we move through our Christian walk.
Admire your willingness to study the word more!
Read a witness book by Ray and get the bigger picture of his words. A 20 second soundbite is not enough. And this guy in video, does he do any witnessing ? Ray has witnessed for 50 years. Peter & Paul say research what you believe
If you don’t preach the gospel properly your 50 years of works will be burnt up.
This message is so helpful! Thank you for making it simple
Bob, Thank you for your ministry. You're not fearful of calling out error when you see it.
These guys have caused so much doubt and confusion in the Body of Christ
Exactly .
Cuz they Top Out at unknowability .
How "good is good enough" is a question they can NEVER answer , objectively .
But the Doubt free Promise of Everlasting Life is purely objective . Thus completely and by definition "knowable" (1 John 5:10-13 ; John 1:12-13,3:1-18,4:10-14,5:24,6:28-47,10,11:23-27,20:31 ; Acts 16:31 ; Galatians 2:16) .
They are conveying there is much more to salvation than a profession of faith at some point in your life.
@@2Chronicles714_the “more” you speak of, after a sincere profession of faith in Jesus as Gods only begotten son; who died to redeem the world from sin and rose again to live and reign forever…that “more” is the working of the Holy Spirit in the believer’s life to bring sanctification. The work of the Holy Spirit conforming us to the image of Jesus. First we are justified through faith; then sanctified throughout our earthly life. Then glorified when Jesus returns to resurrect the dead and rapture the church.
Phillipians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ
So many more verses which speak on this process.
And led countless lost to hell
@@arrongoodwin3339
Only those who teach against repentance are leading people to hell.
Thanks, Bob for the clear explanation. Of course, I knew what you were going to say because I've read a number of your books as well as those of other Free Grace Evangelicals. In fact, I wrote my MA thesis titled "An Examination of the Implications for Christian Life and Liberty Stemming from Two Evangelical Views of the Gospel." The two views compared were the Free Grace view and the traditional Reformed view. A summary follows:
"A critical point of departure occurs over the content of saving faith and whether saving faith always produces a change that is manifested in a visible expression of spiritual fruit and good works. Evangelicals who advocate for the simple gospel as defined in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 are sometimes accused of preaching a deficient message of “easy-believism” that promotes a libertarian or antinomian lifestyle. Moreover, it is argued, that a gospel lacking a call to turn from sin may result in so-called believers who are not genuinely saved.
Advocates of the simple gospel share the concern regarding the decline of moral behavior in the body of Christ. However, they do not agree that adding subjective conditions to the gospel will provide the needed remedy, nor will leading believers to continually question the authenticity of their faith by gauging their behavior against specific values or standards. These schemes may lead to debilitating doubts and spiritual defeat. A gospel message that incorporates subjective elements that provide little or no assurance can scarcely be called good news. A different, but similarly undesirable consequence may emerge from this. Upon successfully conquering some major sin in his life, a new believer, may not come to see how lesser sins, even very minor ones, will hamper the working of the Holy Spirit in his life and thus delay and diminish his spiritual growth. His Christian walk will be characterized by mediocrity."
For by grace are ye saved through faith and that is not of our self. It is the Gift of God. And not of works. Lest anyone may boast. 🙌
Telling people that they don't need to know who Jesus is or what he did and that we only need to believe in a promise can create a false convert. Just saying because the fact that you think that you don't need to preach the sacrifice for sins is just as false as their lordship salvation. It's 2 heads of a false coin.
Good video, very clear and easy to understand …thanks for posting 😊
Thank you! My trust is in Jesus and Him alone, I know me and I'm not trustworthy. It's ALL HIM. I wonder if the "dog to his vomit, pig to it's mire", isn't a reference to what Paul said about being saved by grace and then returning to the law for salvation? He was more than a little disdainful of that course of action. I appreciate your work in overturning the tables of these money-changers.
No, it's obvious The dog going back to the vomit was a man going back to his sin. Has nothing to do with going back to the law. It wasn't Paul speaking, it was Peter
Well, it’s good to know that, like Paul, we can “fight the good fight” and “finish” the race without works. I’m also thrilled with the idea that we can be faithful “servants” without the expectation of doing our due diligence. This is indeed freeing!
Jesus will complete the work He starts in us when we are saved.
“Faithful is HE who has called you;
It is HE Who Shall perform it.”
~ Apostle Paul ~
(1 Thess 5:24 Aramaic)
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Amen !!!
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:)
And, May I add "NEVER Leave, NOR Forsake us" !!!
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Amazing job of breaking down and simplifying the TRUTH. Blessings.
12:17 "When we believe in him, for what he has promised: everlasting life, then we have that gift; we have everlasting life, and we continue to know we have that gift, as long as we continue to believe the promise."
I'm not a smart man; I don't really understand how this is any different than what the people you're criticizing said.
It can be missed, you need to listen to them carefully, especially when they are out to "preach".
They put emphasis on "turn away from sins" - because they do not understand the word "repent".
And by doing so they add a necessity of working for the grace of God on our part - but you cannot work for Grace, you are given grace as a gift, through faith. Not of works, so no man may boast.
Ray Comfort and Calvinists like Todd Friel, Paul Washer, Macarthur etc. - all they do is make people doubt their salvation and the result is trembling, fear, confusion and lack of assurance.
They make people focus on the imperfect self that can never be perfect before receiving a glorified body in the resurrection.
We need to put all our focus on the Holy One, who is Christ Jesus our Lord in whose name alone there is salvation and Eternal Life.
Thanks Brothers of GES, allá Glory To God, Eternal Life it's a free Gift, keep the Good work, allá Glory To Trough his Son Forever and Ever. Amén.
The comment below is what Living waters replied to me when I debated his false Gospel-
"You are saying the sinner has to “believe.” He has to “do” something. That’s works righteousness. Another gospel. We are saved by grace alone" (Living waters)
I guess Acts 16:30-31
“Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.” can be deleted from the bible!
That's because the jailer saw an open jail, a miracle.
hey ignorant, read acts 10:47
We access grace by faith 😂
49 “Master,” said John, “we saw someone driving out demons in your name and we tried to stop him, because he is not one of us.”
50 “Do not stop him,” Jesus said, “for whoever is not against you is for you.”
Absolutely astounding how many people within christianity challenge the integrity of Jesus Christ. So many times i have heard it said " You can't just believe in Jesus and make it to heaven" Yet Jesus clearly says over and over again "whoever believes in Him has eternal life . Some within christianity say that a born-again person is not eternally secure yet Jesus says " whoever believes in Him has eternal life and will never perish, hunger, thirst, be cast out, plucked out ect... To think that there are those who think they know more than Jesus and must correct Him. UNBELIEVABLE. Thankyou, GES
So why then does Jesus say in Matthew 7:21-23
I NEVER KNEW YOU DEPART FROM ME YE WORKERS OF INIQUITY?
They believed in Jesus did works He told us to do
The key words are "knew" and iniquity.
They lived a life of continuous unrepentant sin so He could not "know" them, they were not His sheep.
@@2Chronicles714_Jesus was speaking about the False prophets in this passage. There is nothing in these verses that said they believed in Jesus. They have BAD fruit, meaning their message is bad because it goes against what Jesus said . Exactly like your message.
Judas believed, look what happened to him.
@@Daviddaze John 6:67 “Then Jesus said to the twelve, Will you also go away? 68 Then Simon Peter answered, Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life, 69 and we believe and know that you are Christ, the Son of the living God.
70 Jesus answered them, Have I not chosen you twelve? And yet one of you is a devil. 71 He spoke this of Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon. For it was he who would betray him, and was one of the twelve.”
Where does it ever say Judas believed? It says Jesus chose Him, that doesn’t mean he believed. Jesus chose him for a purpose, he knew he would betray Him. just like God chose Pharaoh in Egypt for a purpose when He delivered the Israelites from slavery. When God chooses to use someone to serve His purpose, it doesn’t necessarily mean they are believers.
@karent743 He was a pretender, hypocrite, selfish motives, right, as bible says ' conscience not pricked'.
@ 11:47
"Ultimately, their position has no room for assurance of everlasting life, because none of us can be sure that we're going to persevere to the end. None of us can be sure we're not going to fall away. But guess what? We can all be sure we have everlasting life, because the condition is simply BELIEVING on the Lord Jesus Christ for the, what he calls, "gift of God" which is everlasting life. John 4:10-14."
1. You criticize Lordship Salvation, repentance of sins, struggling with God through our entire life seeking obedience, by saying, "because none of us can be sure that we're going to persevere to the end."
2. By then state, "None of us can be sure we're not going to fall away."
3. But your criticism against Lordship Salvation IS the criticism against your own position.
You state, "...the condition is simply BELIEVING on the Lord Jesus Christ..."
But you don't know if you will persevere with that faith till the end.
Our assurance onto salvation is Christ's finished work upon the cross.
He saves His people to the uttermost and will lose none that the Father has given to Jesus.
Our assurance onto salvation is Christ's ability to persevere His people to the end.
NOT in our own ability to persevere with faith to the end.
Because we have no assurance we will continue believing in 5-10 years.
Else, we should know all lottery numbers, to all lotteries, because we know the future.
Our assurance is in Christ, not within ourselves.
"Do You Need to "Continue to Believe" to be Saved?" by Zane C. Hodges
ruclips.net/video/gVSHapWvUW4/видео.html
@@GESvids
""(Being born again)...if they take place at the moment of faith, then the continuity of that faith is not the issue, the existence of faith is the issue." (Your video you linked @ 0:49)
You can fall away from the faith and still be saved?
"They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they were of us, they would have remained with us;"
1 John 2:19 LSB
So, a person's continued faith is not required?
For the rest of our lives, we can be devoted to idolization, murder, and adultery?
You sound like a false Christian, who has a false faith, being a false teacher, if continued faith is not required.
Just say the "magic prayer" and you're in.
You are a false teacher, Bob.
Please stop teaching.
You're teaching wrongly.
"Free Grace Gospel Misunderstandings! (Decision for Christ and Sinner's Prayer)" by Ken Yates
ruclips.net/video/gl25MR3kHZM/видео.html
@@GESvids
From your link: ruclips.net/video/gl25MR3kHZM/видео.html
@ 5:19
"You simply believe that Jesus gives you eternal life that you can never lose."
Yes, we are saved, because of God, through faith.
But you did NOT answer my questions.
You refused to answer ANY questions, but instead scapegoated with misdirection.
(The video did NOT add anything.)
You can fall away from the faith and still be saved?
(Which means preservation is required.)
For the rest of our lives, we can be devoted to idolization, murder, and adultery?
(Which means repentance is required.)
"Do You Need to "Continue to Believe" to be Saved?" by Zane C. Hodges
ruclips.net/video/gVSHapWvUW4/видео.html
"Turn or Burn? - Do I Need to Repent of My Sins to Be Saved?" by Bob Wilkin
ruclips.net/video/R7ojRyeD0DM/видео.html
I was deceived and duped by lordship salvation early in my Christian walk about 30 to 35 years ago. I was what you would call a "MacArthurite" and was even a member of his church and defended lordship salvation with zeal. I had gotten saved early on by simple faith in Christ but after that I was duped and it took me years to get out of that mindset. Thank God for the simple message of believing in Jesus and being certain of Salvation because of everything he did for us.
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Are you a disciple? A disciple of whom? What is a disciple? Did Jesus ever say to follow Him? What does it mean to follow Him? Are you following Him? Do you love Jesus? Didn't Jesus say that if you love Jesus you would obey all that He commanded? Wait, what? You're not obeying Jesus? How can you say you are a disciple of Jesus if you are not following Him and obeying all He commanded? Belief/faith produces obedience. If there is no obedience, there is no faith. If their is no faith there is no regeneration. If therr is no regeneration there is no salvation.
"Are All Believers Disciples?" by Bob Wilkin
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@@GESvids
Define "belief and believer" without simply saying "a believer is someone who has belief in Jesus Christ."
Is "Saving Faith" More Than "Mental Assent"? - Bob Wilkin
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@@GESvids
Saving faith is gifted to the one whose dead spirit has been regenerated by the power of God.
@@GESvids
Yes, true belief (faith) is gifted by God at the point of regeneration. Who are those that follow Jesus but those who know that their redeemer lives. Knowing you are saved is believing, and believing is confident assurance, having confident assurance in your King produces steadfast obedience.
EVERYTHING is by grace, namely God's personal active and ongoing intervention.
for the works we will force ourselves to do out of fear or pride in our unbelieving response to the Law, WILL NOT COUNT
As one who has actually put hand to the plough with mules and horses,looking back is a bad idea for straight rows,and is ineffective!.
To be fair, Todd Friel couldn't have picked a better name for his radio show. His corruption of the Gospel is indeed wretched.
And Ray Discomfort
You are right about this!!!
Luke 9:62, in the New International Version (NIV), states: "Jesus replied, 'No one who puts a hand to the plow and looks back is fit for service in the kingdom of God.'"
This verse is part of Jesus' teachings and emphasizes the commitment required to follow Him. The metaphor of putting a hand to the plow and looking back conveys the idea that discipleship involves steadfast focus and dedication. Those who start following Jesus but then turn back or are preoccupied with what they've left behind are likened to someone unfit for service in the kingdom of God. It underscores the importance of resolute commitment in following Jesus and not being swayed by distractions or attachments to the past.
unfit for SERVICE.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
Let the Holy spirit cleanse our thoughts, speech and deeds
Jesus was asked, "what must I DO to be saved?" What was HIS answer?
@@charleyjohnson4823 Matthew 19:17
And it has nothing to do with Salvation.
free grace only!
Are those two suggesting repenting = never sinning again? 1 John says they’re liars for doing so. The Bible states 1 sin gets you into hell, by 1 sin you’ve broken ALL of the law, so what’s the difference between a believer who lives a sinful life and a Christian who lives an almost ‘perfect’ life? Nothing! Because by sinning once they have broken ALL of the law! Jesus is the only one who is perfect.
No, they aren't. They are teaching that repentance is a change of heart and lifestyle that comes by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit who changes you.
Can people see since the moment of your conversion that God is working in your life to make you Holy?
Philippians 2:13
For it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.
Can you see that?
When you look at the world and maybe it decieves you,and draws you to it,that God comes and disciplines you?
When you participate in sin you can't stand it because the Holy Spirit is so convicting you.
Or can you call yourself Christian and still look like the world, act like the world,talk like the world,dress like the world,do everything that the world does?
1 John 2:15-17
Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16For all that is in the world-the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride of life is not from the Father but is from the world. 17And the world is passing away along with its desires, but whoever does the will of God abides forever.
He's going to little by little remove from you,your desire and fellowship with the world, and the lust thereof and He's going to replace that with a desire and a fellowship with Christ.
Philippians 2:12-15
Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling,
13
for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.
14Do all things without grumbling or disputing,
15
That you may be blameless and innocent, children of God without blemish in the midst of a crooked and twisted generation, among whom you shine as lights in the world.
Since your supposed conversion are you growing in your devotion to God,and your love for Christ? Are you growing in Holiness, striving for Holiness or are you the same person that you were when you began?
1 Peter1:14-17
As obedient children, do not be conformed to the passions of your former ignorance, 15but as he who has called you holy also be holy in all your conduct, 16since it is written, “You shall be holy, for I am holy.” 17And if you call on him as Father who judges impartially according to each one’s deeds, conduct yourselves with fear throughout the time of your exile
Do you still love the world?
James 4:4
You adulterous people! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.
John 14:15
IF you love me, you will keep my commandments.
@@2Chronicles714_Great response brother.
@@2Chronicles714_ Old Chronicles still spreading a false understanding of repentance on youtube. How often have you been corrected?
I have the feeling you need to free yourself from Calvinist heresy.
Who cares what people around you may think or not? Does it mean someone is saved, if they all of a sudden go to Church? No.
Does it mean someone is saved, when all of a sudden he has a zeal for God? No.
Does it mean, someone is NOT saved, when they do not go to church? No again.
What matters is what God knows, for he knows the heart. It is true, that being born again drastically changes our lives. That still does not make repentance a work, for repent comes from the French repentir and is the regret of sin in the medieval French.
And re-penser, where it is derived from means to re-think, literally. As does "metanoia" in greek.
Salvation is by turning away from the works of the law as means for salvation to Christ or from Idols to Christ, or from atheism to Christ, from work salvation to Christ etc.
It does not mean to turn away from sins.
Turning away from sins - if it happens by true change of the inner man, rather than being motivated by fear of punishment or seeking of reward or seeking to "convince ourselves that our faith is true" - as Calvinists do - is the work of Salvation, and not required for Salvation.
And that's what is important here.
The Gospel of can be preached to a man who has committed many murders in his life and before he gets executed he can hear the Good News of God - if he believes and trusts fully in Jesus Christ, he will be saved.
Fruit inspectors are self righteous hypocrites who would do well to preach the true Gospel and focus on their own sins, rather than preaching work salvation - which is what they do.
@@KezzaTianzun If they have the Holy spirit - why do they keep boasting? Ray comfort walks around with a camera teams, puts the cameras in the faces of random people, tells them they are sinners, when he meets someone who says the believe and trust in Jesus, but are "not perfect", that is, without sin - he tries to argue that they may not be "true converts" - as if he, ray comfort, was free of Sin.
How full of yourself do you need to be to ask "do you live in holiness" - the only holiness we have is the Holy Spirit. Our works - even the ones we do for God - are the result of the Holy Spirit dwelling in us.
There can be no boasting, but Ray certainly is a big boaster. I can't stand to listen to this fruit inspecting heretic and his false Gospel.
"Why do you call Me Lord, Lord, but do not what I say?"
- Jesus Christ (LUKE 6:46)
Because people don't realize that FAITH is a RELATIONSHIP with Lord God.
Salvation is NOT a 20 seconds prayer and then back to the same voit
@@springflowerblosomnorris9721. Salvation is from the grace and faith that caused that prayer. So it was with the thief on the cross. You don’t know whose life is in the process of changing and whose is not. I once witnessed to a man who was sick in the hospital. He made an answer of some kind, but really at the time, I thought I had wasted my time (from an earthly perspective.). If you met that man now, you wouldn’t know him. He is a totally on-fire Christian and has been for about 12 years. I didn’t see it coming. I have wondered what happened to him, maybe somebody else witnessed to him later. I don’t know and nobody knows what those who accept Christ will do. We don’t know which long time church people will walk away either.
@@mchevalier-seawell4438
FAITH is what we do for Jesus Christ.
SALVATION is what Jesus Christ does for us.
The true salvation is like a marriage: we marry Jesus Christ and he becomes our Lord.
Ephesians 5:30-32
30For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
31For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
32This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
The scriptures were written for us to learn how to put our FAITH in practice.
Our FAITH has to endure till the END.
Revelation 2:10 KJV - Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou FAITHFUL UNTO DEATH, and I will give thee a crown of life.
FAITH is a lifestyle, a LIVING partnership with the LIVING God.
We are PROTECTED by God's NAME.
It is God's NAME and REPUTATION on the line.
You can TRUST in God's NAME.
Isaiah 50:10 KJV - Who is among you that feareth the LORD, that obeyeth the voice of his servant, that walketh in darkness, and hath no light? let him TRUST in the NAME of the LORD, and stay upon his God.
Zephaniah 3:12 KJV - I will also leave in the midst of thee an afflicted and poor people, and they shall TRUST in the NAME of the LORD.
ALL glory to Lord God Almighty and Jesus Christ my savior, blessed be his NAME forever and ever.
Numbers 6:24-27
Revelation 22:3-4
@@springflowerblosomnorris9721. salvation comes by beioiving only not by works
@@springflowerblosomnorris9721 LOL....Say that to a dying person. Before he dies (any second now) he needs to have a relationship with the Lord or he or she is going to hell.
Jesus not only died for you but lived for you as well. Why then would anyone think they need to live for Christ in order to be saved if he already did all the work? You live for Christ because he commands it and because you will reap rewards in Heaven, NOT because God will see your obedience and decide that you're good enough to go to Heaven. They teach works-salvation very cleverly repackaged.
Our obedience absolutely is evidence of regeneration.
To claim Jesus did it all so we do nothing is not at all scriptural.
Hebrews 12:14
Make every effort to live in peace with everyone AND TO BE HOLY, WITHOUT HOLINESS NO ONE WILL SEE THE LORD.
2 Thessalonians 1:8-9
IN FLAMING FIRE TAKING VENGEANCE ON them that know not God, AND THAT OBEY NOT the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ 9WHO SHALL BE PUNISHED WITH EVERLASTING DESTRUCTION from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power.
1 Corinthians 10:21You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons too you cannot have a part in both the Lord’s table and the table of demons
2 Timothy 2:19
Nevertheless, God’s solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription “The Lord knows those who are his, and, “EVERYONE WHO CONFESSED THE NAME OF THE LORD MUST TURN AWAY FROM WICKEDNESS.”
Titus 1:16
They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him being abominable and disobedient, and unto every good work.
1 John 2:4
He that saith I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
@@2Chronicles714_ Using your own interpretation, every verse you cited is an argument for works-based salvation. You believe in works-based salvation.
@@2Chronicles714_ Romans 4:5-6 - But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
^That right there blows your incorrect interpretation out of the water.
Once you believe, you are saved. Nothing is required of you to do anything more.
Under your works-based salvation system one can never have assurance of salvation.
@pigsfood27
Surrendering to Jesus's Lordship in obedience is no more works then memorizing John 3:16 is.
@@2Chronicles714_ We SHOULD surrender our lives to Jesus and obey him. The point is doing or not doing that is not a determining factor for eternal salvation.
And sacrificing your life to follow him is most definitely a work, it's a huge deal to do that, much more involved than memorizing a verse, not sure where you're going with that.
Very disingenuous video.
Definitely not a fair review of what Friel and Comfort were saying. They definitely do NOT preach a works salvation. They actually preach hard into Grace, and that it is only the work of Christ that saves.
The reason that Ray Comfort answers with parables about false converts is because that's what the question was. The fact that you didn't pick up on that I guess showed how little you were actually paying attention to what was said.
To free grace false doctrine, repentance is a work, worship is a work, obedience is a work, loving the Lord is a work etc. Dont waste your breath, they won't hear it
@@Be_An_Esther Repent means to change your mind about what you were trusting or believing before. Jesus told us many times to believe in Him and you HATH everlasting life. Jesus didn't tell us to worship or be obedient or love the Lord to HATH everlasting life. Those things are service/discipleship AFTER being saved. It is not about us or what we do to be saved or stay saved. The work is finished by Christ and it is only 100% Christ alone that saves us if we believe in Him. This is the simplicity of Christ that is apparently lost to you. Do you believe the record God gave us about his Son? Do you know you have eternal life right now or do you believe in a false jesus that only saves you because of what YOU do? Get the spotlight off yourself.
@@GiftofGrace88My whole life I've thought repentance means to turn away from sin. So if repentance means to change your mind, then what does it mean to repent of your sins? Does the Bible even say to repent of our sins?
@@BloodandSoil990 Not even once in the entire Bible is repent of sins mentioned. Repentance and it's other word forms are listed 112 times in scripture. God Himself is said to have repented well over 30 of those mentions in the Bible. Repentance can have different meanings, but God doesn't repent of sins, and humans do not repent or turn from sins to be saved. We believe or trust in Jesus and His finished work for our forgiveness. I was once in these guy's camp, so I know what they mean, and the problem is they sin every day just as the sinner does, either in thought or deed or both. Breaking the least commandment we break the whole law, so we all do it everyday. The difference between the saved and the lost isn't their sin relationship, it is their Son relationship. Do they trust themselves or the Son for saving, keeping, and assuring salvation.
@@GiftofGrace88 either you misunderstood Be_An-Esther, or you just wanted to lecture him/her on something he/she already knows.
Read his/her comment again.
They seem to believe that we can become "sinless". If that were so, we would have not needed Christ Jesus's work on the cross for us.
Being a genuine Christian is the change on the inside and it shows on the outside, Jesus said you will know them by there fruits. Just because you say your a Christian doesn't really hold water, but being Obedient to Gods commands, shows evidence that your truly saved, Jesus also said you must deny yourself and pick up your cross
And fallow me.
Faith without works is dead.
Romans 4:5
@bradmccoy7996. Blanket statements like that are like never and always. The thief on the cross was saved by faith without a single fruit of any kind being visible. Foxhole conversions don’t show works, neither do deathbed conversions. But they occur and are real faith.
In the passage that says “ you will know them by their fruits” who is Jesus speaking about… read the context. Taking up your cross and following Christ is discipleship, it’s a daily process of being conformed into Christ’s image. Putting off the flesh and following after the spirit, this is not salvation. Faith without works is dead, meaning it’s unprofitable and of no use to others. Doesn’t mean faith without works isn’t faith, otherwise the verse wouldn’t make any sense at all, James would say “ Faith without works doesn’t exist” but he doesn’t, he knows it does happen which is why he is encouraging believers to add to their faith. We are saved by grace through faith apart from works ( faith alone), but we will not be profitable if our faith does not produce works.
So, what are these works and how many of them do I need?
The thief scolded the other man for his contempt of Jesus then defended Jesus with his own speech then humbled himself before Jesus.
This man went too far to his conclusion. Tedd and Ray were just saying that a true believer will persevere and continue to serve God.
True salvation brings forth fruit, a changed life to any man not just some. 2 Corinthians 5:17
King James Version 17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
How do you get that form that scripture lol. All that says is our inner man is made new.
No, you interpreted it to say our inner man is made new. Scripture literally says" behold, ALL things are become new"@@freegraceau
how much of a changed life must there be ? I dont want sin anymore but still struggle with it and fall sometimes I want a relationship with God and to walk with Him but I find it difficult how to put that into practice so do a very poor job is such a man as me saved or not how can we know ?
@@Goldtaker23 Hi, the struggle with sin is real comes to all of us, anyone who teaches sinless perfection is heretical, also the teaching of sin is ok as a believer is a heretic. We are in this body of death, corrupted, and imperfect as we are the Christian is just the best of a bad lot. We strive daily to live in odedience to Christ and there lies the difference. A relationship with Christ is a daily walk with him by reading His word, prayer, witnessing to name a few. We grow in grace and knowledge of our Savior the more we get the word of God in us. We are saved by the word of God 1 Peter 1;23. ( Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.) and 2 Tim 3;15 ( And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.) God bless.
The Inner New Man is Changed, the flesh still wants to Sin. Our Flesh isn't Redeemed until we receive our New Glorified Bodies.
Who in their right mind would want to become a Christian just to continue sinning freely? When I was an atheist, I sinned without feeling bad. Now I still sin but feel bad about it. So it's absurd to claim people become Christian just to keep sinning as Comfort and Friel claim. They mix salvation in with discipleship. Salvation is free. Discipleship comes afterwards and is voluntary.
What they are saying is (IF) you are a true repentant believer, then you will not continue living no different than the world.
@@2Chronicles714_would you say that the believers in Corinth that paul rebukes for behaving carnal, behaving like the unbelievers, sleeping with prostitutes, in some cases, behaving worse than unbelievers ( such as someone sleeping with his fathers wife and boasting about it) are not saved then? Even though paul calls them beloved brethren, says they call on Jesus Christ both their God and ours, are sanctified saints… yet they was living like the world.
@@letstalktech96
1 Corinthians 5:5 It outlines the process of church discipline. Apparently, the sinning wife has already responded with repentance but not the stepson. So the apostle Paul was giving Satan freedom to afflict the body by following the process of church discipline. The ultimate end could be the stepson's death if necessary.
That his body might be shook, buffeted, afflicted, and tortured in a terrible manner; that by this means he might be brought to a sense of his sin, to repentance for it, and make an humble acknowledgment of it:
that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus; that he might be renewed in the spirit of his mind, be restored by repentance, and his soul be saved in the day of Christ; either at death, when soul and body would be separated, or at the day of the resurrection, when both should be reunited; for the flesh here means, not the corruption of nature, in opposition to the spirit, as a principle of grace, but the body, in distinction from the soul: nor was the soul of this man, only his body, delivered for a time unto satan; the end of which was, that his soul might be saved, (which could never be done by delivering it up to satan).
Judas was claiming he Christian and yet kept sinning. His witnessing efforts were done with wrong motive also.
@@Daviddaze Judas was condemned because he didn’t believe.
“But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him.”
10:45 So those not fit for the kingdom, still get into the kingdom?
12:33 what if we stop believing the promise?
*Do You Need to "Continue to Believe" to be Saved?* - Zane C. Hodges
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@@GESvids In John 5:24, Jesus says, “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears my word and believes him who sent me, has eternal life; he does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life. The Greek present participles for “hearing” and “believing” (akouōn, pisteuōn) indicate an ongoing action. If one were to stop hearing and believing in Christ he would lose his justifying state.
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Is “Continuous” Believing Required for the New Birth?
May 1, 2021 by GES Webmaster in Grace in Focus Articles
By Steve Elkins
I really enjoyed Dan Wallace when I had him for Greek grammar. I thought he was one of the best teachers at my seminary. But presently I’m grieved that his Greek Grammar: Beyond the Basics has won the day in Evangelical schools and carries such great influence over preachers and teachers.
In writing about the substantival present participle (which is simply a present participle with the article and acts as a noun), he correctly points out that the aspect of the tense is diminished. Aspect means the progress, result, or simple occurrence of something.
All the grammars say this, including that the tense becomes gnomic (i.e., timeless). In other words, the substantival participle is not stating something is happening, just that it has happened.
Other grammars (e.g., Robertson) point out that the emphasis (via the article) is now placed on the noun it has become or the person the verb is modifying.
The Believer and the Baptist
For instance, concerning the present participles in John 3:16, the emphasis is not at all on the continual nature of belief, but gnomically, that this person has believed. Therefore, the emphasis now is on “what happens” to such a person: he or she will never “perish, but has eternal life.”
Thus, the participle functions as a noun: the one who believes could be translated the believer.
See, for example, John the Baptist.
In Mark 6:14 we read, Iōannēs ho baptizōn. That is the name John and the present participle of baptizō. It could be translated as John the one who baptizes; John the one who baptized; John the baptizer; or, as nearly all English translations render it, simply John the Baptist.
This verse illustrates the point well since John was already dead, having been beheaded by Herod. He was not baptizing anyone anymore. But he was still John the Baptist.
Wallace correctly discusses,
Thus, for example, in Matt 5:28, “everyone who looks at a woman (pas ho blepōn…)…does not mean “continually looking” or “habitually looking” any more than four verses later “everyone who divorces his wife” (pas ho apolūōn…) means “repeatedly divorces”! (Greek Grammar, p. 616, emphasis added).
Thus, for example, ho baptizōn in Mark 1:4 does not mean one who “continually baptizes” but simply “the baptizer” (Greek Grammar, p. 620, emphasis added).
So far, Wallace is agreeing with all the Greek grammars, but then he says something odd, because it’s so contradictory to his point later,
Secondly, many substantival participles in the NT are used in generic utterances…As such it is expected to involve a gnomic idea. [ed. gnomic= a timeless fact. It does not say that something is happening, but that something does happen.] Most of these instances involve the present participle. But, if they are already gnomic, we would be hard-pressed to make something more out of them-such as a progressive idea” (Greek Grammar, pp. 615-16, emphasis added).
Shockingly, while he admits he’s “hard-pressed” to find the progressive/continuous idea, that’s just what he proceeds to do!
In an extreme case of special pleading, with no support at all, Wallace departs from what all grammars say and argues that the substantival participle of John 3:16 is a special category all to itself.
The idea seems to be both gnomic and continual: “everyone who continually believes.” This is not due to the present tense only, but to the use of the present participle of pisteuō, especially in soteriological texts of the NT (Greek Grammar, pp. 620-21, emphasis added).
I said above that Wallace has no support because, as is usual from fellows of this persuasion, they offer non-validated proof-texts, of which the briefest glance shows them to argue not for, but against their points (e.g., footnote 22, p. 621. I scratch my head at how such a brilliant guy can say these things).
John 3:16 and the Condition of Eternal Salvation
Earlier in his book, Wallace listed the present participle of pisteuō in John 3:16 as an example of what’s often called a “continual present” (which Wallace classifies as a “Customary [Habitual or General] Present,” Greek Grammar, p. 521).
In this Gospel there seems to be a qualitative distinction between the ongoing act of believing and the simple fact of believing (Greek Grammar, p. 522, emphasis added).
But no support is given at all for that statement. Rather, Wallace commits what Barr, Nida and others call the “tense fallacy.” On the contrary, any study of John shows just the opposite. There’s no argument for ongoing belief. Rather, emphasis is placed on the simple fact of belief. Among other arguments are these:
The metaphors-all emphasizing a single “act” of belief: receive, look, drink, come, eat, hear, (and these non-metaphors: instant life and being raised from the dead).
The instantaneous nature of regeneration- one act causing irreversible new birth.
The interchangeable aorist tense (36 times).
Here are just some of the aorists in John. All are interchangeable with the present tense:
• 2:11: “and His disciples believed in Him…”
• 2:23: “Many believed in His name…”
• 4:39, 41: “the Samaritans believed… and many more believed…”
• 7:31: “the people believed in Him…”
• 8:30: “and many believed in Him…”
• 9:18: “the Jews did not believe..”
• 10:42: “many believed in Him…”
• 11:45: “many of the Jews…believed in Him.”
• 12:42: “many rulers believed in Him…”
This presentation was already complete before I read Bob Wilkin’s wonderful article, “Is Continuous Drinking Required for Eternal Life?” In it he states,
Let’s say ho pinōn (a present substantival participle) means, as Wallace suggests, “everyone who continuously drinks” (p. 621), and thus it takes continuous believing to be born again…When would a person fulfill that requirement? At a moment in time? Certainly not… After a day of continuous drinking? Nope. After a year? A decade? Five decades? No. If a person ever stopped drinking prior to death he would not fulfill the requirement of continuous drinking.
So, if what Wallace is saying is true, a person is not born again unless he continues in faith until death.
This leads to tough questions. How can you have assurance before death that you are born again? What if a believer were to go through a time of doubt? Is he unregenerate in Wallace’s understanding? What about a person who has a mental condition that causes him to stop (believing), like paranoid schizophrenia, OCD, or Alzheimer’s?…
At the very moment of faith a person is born again once and for all. That is the message of John 3:16; 5:24; 6:35; 11:25-27. At the moment of faith a person “has passed from death into life” (John 5:24). Paul says, “By grace you have been saved…”-a done deal…(Wilkin, “Continuous Drinking,” emphasis added).
Scholars Can Be Biased
Wallace is a scholar. He’s also irenic, saying nice things about Zane Hodges in a blog upon his death. But he’s biased. Look no further than his cover endorsement of Wayne Grudem’s treatise against Free Grace: “This book is…rock solid in its penetrating insights regarding the Free Grace Movement.” Interesting, since so much of Grudem’s book is against the positions held by Dr. Chafer and the founders of the seminary at which Wallace teaches. It seems he’s more comfortable with John MacArthur, J.I. Packer, and Thomas Schreiner (fellow endorsers), who have little in common with Chafer, Ryrie, and Hodges, concerning the gospel.
Twisting Greek grammar, in this case, is tantamount to twisting the Scriptures. Wallace seeks to make the Scriptures fit with his theology-rather than vice versa. If one didn’t know he was so sincere, it would seem an obvious act of subterfuge.
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The One Who Believes: Is Continuous Faith Required to be Born Again?
January 1, 2006 by Bob Wilkin in Grace in Focus Articles
One argument I hear a lot is that since the Scriptures often refer to believing in Jesus using the present tense, this means that only those who endure in faith in Christ until death “truly believe.”
Often the present articular participle is cited. That is the expression ho pisteuōn in Greek. It means the one who believes, the believer, or the believing one.
Dr. Dan Wallace certainly adds some fuel to the fire when he says in his Greek grammar:
The aspectual force of the present ho pisteuōn seems to be in contrast with ho pisteusas. The aorist is used only eight times (plus two in the longer ending of Mark). Thus, it seems that since the aorist participle was a live option to describe a “believer,” it is unlikely that when the present was used, it was aspectually flat. The present was the tense of choice most likely because the NT writers by and large saw continual belief as a necessary condition of salvation. Along these lines, it seems significant that the promise of salvation is almost always given to ho pisteuōn, almost never to ho pisteusas (apart from Mark 16:16 , John 7:39 and Heb 4:3 come the closest [the present tense of pisteuō never occurs in Hebrews]).1
I find the suggestion that “continual belief [is] a necessary condition of salvation” unbelievable. The evidence is overwhelmingly against it.
The Evidence from John 4:13-15:
Ho Pinōn Equals Ho Pisteuōn
When Jesus evangelized the woman at the well, He used the figure of living water to refer to the saving message and the figure of drinking to refer to believing that message.
In v 13 Jesus used a present articular participle, ho pinōn, the one who drinks, as a clear figure for ho pisteuōn, the one who believes. Using Wallace’s reasoning, ho pinōn must refer to a lifetime of drinking.2 Yet Jesus specifically contradicts this, and the woman shows that she understands Him to be speaking of gaining the benefit the very moment one drinks.
“‘Whoever drinks [ho pinōn] of this water will thirst again, but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life.’
“The woman said to Him, ‘Sir, give me this water, that I may not thirst, nor come here to draw.’”
Jesus doesn’t rebuke her understanding on the permanence of the gift. She understood Him correctly. One drink would quench her thirst forever. She would be eternally secure that very moment. What He corrected was her mistaken notion that He was speaking literally of drinking physical water.
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(Continued: Dr. Wilkin)
The Evidence from John 6:35:
Ho Erchomenōs Equals Ho Pisteuōn
There is a clear verbal tie between John 4:13-15 and John 6:35. The one who drinks (ho pinōn) the water of life will never thirst again (4:14). Likewise, the one who believes (ho pisteuōn) in Jesus will never thirst again (6:35). Unmistakably ho pisteuōn and ho pinōn are parallel.
Also in John 6:35 is ho erchomenos, the one who comes. The one who comes to Jesus “shall never hunger.” Clearly, as the bread of life, Jesus promises that the one who eats that bread, that is, the one who believes in Him, will never hunger again.
Wallace’s understanding of ho pisteuōn is impossible in light of John 4:13-15 and John 6:35. It appears that he has let theological bias lead him to make a statement that is not grammatically correct.
The Evidence from John 11:26:
Ho Zōn and Ho Pisteuōn Are Co-Conditions
As “the life,” Jesus promises Martha, “Whoever lives [ho zōn] and believes [ho pisteuōn] in Me shall never die” (John 11:26a).
If we carried Wallace’s understanding of present participles to this verse, we would understand that anyone who ever ceased living, that is, anyone who physically died, would die spiritually. The only ones who would have everlasting life and hence, never die spiritually, would be those who 1) continuously live, and 2) continuously believe.
Yet in the preceding verse Jesus said that believers do cease living. That is, they die physically. Thus, ho zōn cannot mean, “the one who keeps on living.” Nor can ho pisteuōn mean “the one who keeps on believing.”
Of course, Jesus explicitly stated that a believer’s faith can cease. He did so in the parable of the four soils. A comparison of Luke 8:12 8:13 makes this clear. The second soil believed for a time. Then it stopped believing. Yet the seed, which is the saving message, clearly germinated in this soil, for Jesus said that “it sprang up” (Luke 8:6).
John 11:26 shows that all who simply believe in Jesus for everlasting life while they are yet alive will never die. If the person’s physical life or faith dies, the promise remains true. The moment a person believes in Jesus, he’s eternally secure.
Wonderful!
You should debate Ray Comfort.
🇻🇳 I received some useful information from you. Thank you.And I would like to respond- Firstly, it's about the context of the question. This is a question about the church and those church members who have bad or wrong lifestyles. I think as you mentioned the Gospels Ray did not speak. Likewise, the lives of believers are not mentioned in the books you mentioned. That is, the subject of the question is answered with an opinion answer for the unbeliever (which Ray practices regularly). And you are the answer of faith pointing to Jesus. I think at each stage, you and Ray are each being called by God to your goals. And he and you both have a target audience for communication. I don't have a problem with faith, nor do I have a problem with being a carnal Christian. I am reminded and learn from both, and I don't see any contradiction.
I’m so thankful for the ministry of GES and also of Zane Hodges. I was at my wits end in the early 90’s and had almost given up because most evangelicals spouted off cliches that denied the faith alone message…
They would say they believed it and then turn around and preach works salvation.
I was so thankful to discover grace In eclipse by Zane Hodges and I quickly realized I wasn’t alone when it came to the clarity of the gospel.
Thank you Bob for your boldness.
Ray Comfort claims that he never willfully sinned after becoming saved.
I was taught that all sin is willful.
He thinks that his sinning is accidental
He therefore thinks that he is sinlessly perfect.
He ALWAYS assumes that every single person that he preaches to at the. (Huntington)beach is unsaved and never positively acknowledges anybody's claims of salvation.
He is the definition of a "Holier than Thou."
WHOA, never heard that said of him. W/o an endless search, can you tell me where I can maybe locate him stating that belief? *TIA*
Context is king 😁👍
I'm thinking your exactly right. Now say, if someone proclaims they believe but then have no interest whatsoever in Scripture or assembling together? And subsequently continue in disinterest indefinitely?
Ray I always watched understanding something doesn't seem to be quite correct. Thanks for quantifying all this with some terminology to help.
Todd is okay & I occasionally watch if the topic flys for me.
Thank you - blessings,
Great, Tx!
What if you fall away from genuine faith in Christ's finished work on the cross and then join the Church of Satan? in direct opposition to the God of the bible, Is that person still saved upon death? The free grace position has its problems like the Lordship position. I affirm neither.
If you believe something it will be evident in your life.
If I say I love my wife but I beat her,slander,cuss at her and cheat on her.
Would you say I love her.
So if I say I'm a Christian and don't resemble anything like Bible describes a Christian with the gifs of the spirit.
Would you warn that person. Yes, Paul did it and we are commanded to do it. We are snatching them from the fire.
Maybe they will repent.
Ever since I was delivered God has put it on my heart that you must be born again. There is a dramatic change that happens in a persons life when we meet God. It's like getting struck by lightning. I was saved at about 4 am February 21 of21. I think about that night every day of when I met Jesus.
I thought I believed .y whole life when I Jesus into my heart when I was seven.
But I wasn't I was living for myself and for the world.Not God.
Tell us more, pfister: How you never disobey God, how you never postpone a good deed because you are tired or a bit lazy. Tell us more, how you never sin. Forget your wife and think of your parents. Do you love them? Have you ever griefed them or disobeyed? Of course you have. It is equal in our relation to our Lord - even if were are saved.
I for once have my sincere doubts that these two (at least one of them is a Calvinist) are born again to start with. For they trust in their works and preach a false Gospel.
And Friedel goes around saying: God loves me! But he does not love you! For this is exactly what Calvinists believe.
Discipleship of Lk9:62 is made very clear if they would understand Lk14: Jesus' deters them away from discipleship! 'Count the costs' because there is a better way than discipleship that Jesus wants, 'Christ in you'. Why follow when you can abide in?
When scripture speaks about 'do not be like the world' look at the context and you'll see that the world scripture is referring to is the dead religious world of those working their human effort to please God, not the secular world that the wolves pretend to not be like.
When we read Isa64:6, we realise that men's efforts to prove themselves with their law-keeping righteousness is disgusting to God. So the vomit & the mire here indicate the return of man to prove himself with his law-keeping righteous works.
Those who were fallen in Matt 7:21-23 were doing many wonderful works. These guys are so confused and confusing many others.
Ten virgins. Five were saved, five weren't.
I pray you or one of these Christian’s out there have a debate to expose and help convert comfort and others alike
Wow! How did you mess up these parables. You sir should STOP PREACHING.
I have to say, of those who would hold to Lordship salvation (which I do) do not believe “works” saves you, but will exhibit the fruit of saving faith. There should be a radical, supernatural change that takes place in the believers life. This work of the Holy Spirit is a miracle for all who come to saving faith in Christ and the Holy Spirit continues His sanctifying work in the believer, growing them holiness.
Jesus said, “the gate is narrow and the path is hard that leads to life and those who find it are few.” He says also, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.”
Jesus did not suffer and die so we can have our best life now; so we can live how ever we like just so long as we accept him, that He died to save us and I believe, if Christ’s apostles were here today, they’d say the same or similar.
My challenge would be: to have a Ray and/or Todd on your podcast in person to cover this topic of Lordship salvation. I appreciate the video, though I respectfully disagree.
I do have a question. If a person's sins are not forgiven, will they inherit the kingdom of God?
*Is there Any Difference Between Entering the Kingdom and Inheriting the Kingdom?* - Bob Wilkin & Ken Yates
ruclips.net/video/KaqdSKquFhA/видео.html
Bob Wilkin and Ken Yates are answering a question about entering or inheriting the (Millennial) Kingdom? Should these be thought of as synonyms?
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Will people enter or inherit the kingdom of God if their sins are not forgiven? If your sins are not forgiven then what?
What happens to those whose sins are not forgiven by God?
Issue for entering the kingdom is whether a person has everlasting life. See:
*It's Better Evangelism to Talk About Everlasting Life* - Mike Lii
ruclips.net/video/5DeM3yKIRH0/видео.html
Mike Lii of the Zane Hodges Library, explains why it is better to use the term "everlasting life" for the gift that one is believing in Jesus for.
Issue for determining a person's eternal destiny, is whether a person has everlasting life, instead of whether one's sins are forgiven. Please see:
*It's Better Evangelism to Talk About Everlasting Life* - Mike Lii
ruclips.net/video/5DeM3yKIRH0/видео.html
Mike Lii explains why it is better to use the term "everlasting life" for the gift that one is believing in Jesus for.
I wonder what Jesus meant when he spoke of the strait gate and the wide gate in Mathew 7:13 and 14? Again Jesus saying, “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord,Lord…” Mathew 7:21. How about Paul writing to the Romans, chapter 10 verse 9, “…confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus…? Both Jesus and Paul must have believed in “lordship salvation.
What is the Will of the Father? (Matthew 7:21) - Bob Wilkin
ruclips.net/video/4rdVUT5xRoE/видео.html
Not everyone will enter the kingdom. Some will be excluded. So how do you enter? Jesus said it depends on doing "the will of the Father." What is that? Does that mean doing works, or something else? Bob Wilkin of the Grace Evangelical Society discusses.
Must we Confess in Order to be Eternally Saved? Romans 10:9-10 - Bob Wilkin
ruclips.net/video/ta-aOFWeAWk/видео.html
Confession is an important part of the Christian life. But is it necessary to confess in order to be eternally saved? Dr. Bob Wilkin discusses Romans 10:9-10.
Bob, assuming that you believe that there is such a thing as a false convert, what would be your explanation of what that actually is? Scripture references, if you have them. This a question that I have yet to hear someone from the antinomianism side answer.
lol antinomian side… so literally St. Paul. Anyway… a false convert is someone who hasn’t renounced works salvation or denies Christs deity… these are the two camps of people addressed by the Goepels and the Epistles. In the Gosprls we have the Pharisees who Jesus took great lengths to show they weren’t justified by their adherence to the law and that they fell short in reality and in the epistles we have the gnostics being addressed, they denied Jesus was a man, that sin is a thing etc
@@freegraceauI think there may be some truth to the parable of the sower as far as false converts are concerned I just don't know how to judge such a thing and it really not up to me the biggest thing is that Jesus said there were those whose the seeds were planted in shallow ground and when grew were burned up cause of shallow roots I think the other thing he was talking about was legalism in general Judaism being the biggest offender
@@evanwildermann7034 reads the parable of the 4 soils in Luke. Jesus is very clearly that those who believe are saved. What happens after that as far as falling away is a matter of discipleship. Learning to divide between Salvation and Discipleship will open your understanding of the scriptures.
Well with the platform they have, is their understanding and application a dangerous influence on the less discerning?
While we are in this body; we just aren't going to be alright. When we do die our spirit is going to God and our sinful flesh will deteriorate to nothing. Yes we now have 2 natures....but after death all will be well. There is a grave but there is no hell. Pray; trust God.
they talk about Paul saying that Demas forsook him as a carnal Christian. why don't they call Paul a carnal Christian, since he clearly says in romans 7 that he is one. "For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin."
They Conflate Salvation and Discipleship. And also Conflate The Kingdom of Heaven and The Kingdom of God. Anyone who believes in Jesus Christ will get into The Kingdom of Heaven, but you must also be a Disciple of Jesus Christ to get into The Kingdom of God. We may receive five Crowns 👑👑👑👑👑 for Believing, Preaching, Teaching, Discipling and Witnessing to lay at Jesus feet when you get to Heaven.
Where does Jesus say you can be a believer but it's optional if you want to be a disciple
How about John 6:28 &29?
They know false converts. 🙄
What they [should] know is false teachers!
I can’t even listen to these guys anymore. As in watching them and hearing their voices makes me nauseous.
Probably not the way a person should be, but .. 🤷♂️
I have really enjoyed Ray Comfort’s videos, but he does seem to miss the mark on some points. When i was younger, with less life experience, i would have definitely been in the lordship camp, however the more years i live the more i realise how bad my actions are at the core. If it’s not grace, there is no chance i will be acceptable. I have had seasons of steadfastness and dedication, and other of struggling with sin greatly. If Jesus doesn’t ultimately save me, i will never make it.
Excellent comment. Can take us a while before we see what the word is really saying - often after bitter experience.
I'm in the same condition, Brother. Fortunately for us, Jesus.
I thought the parable and understanding them had to do with the mystery of the Kingdom vs being verses about salvation.
How is Ray extreme? He is doing what Jesus told us to do? Are you Bob? Are you a good person? You are picking apart a Godly man and doing videos against Christians. Do a video on this dark world and be a fisher of men instead of firing at a man who is doing the LORDS work. This is a problem with Christians, let me show you I'm right instead of doing what Jesus said. Spread the gospel. Rays work is spreading the gospel, that's what he means. All his videos share the gospel. C'mon man!
Ray is spreading a false gospel. We are to call them to repent Gal 1:6-9.
From what I have read in the Bible once you receive the Holy Spirit it’s forever. To loose your salvation would mean to loose the Holy Spirit
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Thank you Bob! You helped me see the true Gospel. When I was a new believer I was in misery & confusion as I first followed the lordship false prophets like Ray Comfort, Paul Washer, John Macarthur, James White etc.. who unless they drop all hope on their own works and trust in Christ alone, they'll all say Lord Lord on that day.
Thank you again for fighting the good fight.
Comfort never talks about saving grace or what completely Christ did for us on the cross. He only talks about all the ways Christians can screw up !!
Have you ever used a plow brother?
So if I believe but then fall away and go back to my wicked ways, I am still saved?
Yes, but you would receive dishonour at the judgement seat of Christ where believers are judged according to their works and you would miss out on reward.
@ZandJ12345 Matthew 7:21-23 NASB1995
[21] “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. [22] Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ [23] And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’
@ZandJ12345 Matthew 5:14-16, 29-30 NASB1995
[14] “You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden; [15] nor does anyone light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on the lampstand, and it gives light to all who are in the house. [16] Let your light shine before men in such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven.
[29] If your right eye makes you stumble, tear it out and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. [30] If your right hand makes you stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to go into hell.
"Hell", not "no reward".
@ZandJ12345 this is dangerous teaching, brother. If we are wrong and you are right, we will still be saved, and even be rewarded greatly. Why? Because not only did we have faith but we strived to obey.
But if we are right and you are wrong? Many of you will not be saved because most people will just do the bare minimum to be saved, which is just superficially believing with nothing to show for it. After all, what matters most to them is salvation and rewards are just extra.
I know that there are many ways to interpret the Bible, but wouldn't it be better to go with the interpretation that is the safest?
@@gemgem-hl7ii I see you were just champing at the bit when you asked your so called "QUESTION". If you had s/thing from scripture to substantiate what it is you believe it, that would be one thing, but to just fire off & say the following - and no disrepect - but it's plain nonsense.
*=====>* _"But if we are right and you are wrong? Many of you will not be saved because most people will just do the bare minimum to be saved, which is just superficially believing with nothing to show for it. After all, what matters most to them is salvation and rewards are just extra."_
Bob, could you please give your understanding of what "LORDSHIP SALVATION" IS ? To you, what is the parable of the Sower and the Seed talking about?
Fyi, Bob does have videos where he explains what lordship salvation is.
@@grizz4489 I saw this video of Bob's, and I can say that his explanation is way oversimplified and doesn't really nail the meaning of what the term "lordship salvation" actually is. Like the detractors who created that term, (it was not created by John MacArthur), Bob explains it in a way that appears to say that, CHRIST'S LORDSHIP is "required" in order to be saved! Nothing could be further from the truth. What the LORDSHIP OF CHRIST IN SALVATION actually means, is that the fruit of salvation results in CHRIST being viewed as LORD over every aspect of our walk. Yes we sin from time to time, however, we don't just shrug our shoulders and take sin lightly. We should display an immediate response of CONFESSION and repentance, knowing that we have HIS forgiveness, as promised in 1 John 1:9, and 1 John2:1, and continue on in our sanctification. Along the way over time, we should see a progression of sinning less. Adhering to the scriptures in an attitude of seriousness is not likened to "works" salvation. It is the natural growth pattern of a committed believer, (Romans 12:1). JESUS said in John 14:15, "If you love ME, you will keep my commandments", (see also:1John 2:3-6)!" This is not about earning salvation, but the reasonable display of behavior of the regenerate person who is growing in sanctification. Bob appears to have a very antinomian view of salvation, but I don't believe he is quite understanding of the topic, going by the explanation that I saw from him. Our assurance of salvation is what JESUS completed on the cross, however, watching HIM change our lives in the most miraculous way and having it displayed by an ever growing love for HIM along with a desire to see HIM glorified in our lives, by our obedience, simply gives credence to that assurance. BTW - You can check out Bob's video for yourself, here: ruclips.net/video/msWsC0srUas/видео.htmlsi=PEkd15-53vgQ7Fw2
Bob has a good article on the sower and the seed on his website.
Please Bob, don't join the toxic RUclips culture of calling out each others error's, as much as understanding what false doctrine is I do think it's wrong the way pastors & RUclipsrs are using RUclips. We're behaving exactly like the world, we've now got "discernment ministries" which literally mock other Believer's and call it doing God's work. Your content from 10 years ago was brilliant, that's how I found your teaching after being burdened with reformed theology, why can't you call out bad doctrine, by showing us how scripture is interpreted wrong?
Because Bob has bad doctrine. God exposed it
Salvation for Comfort is Jesus throwing him out a lifeline and slowly drawing it back while Comfort moves forward trying to grasp it but it's always out of reach. In the end he'll have made it to the shore not because of Jesus but because of his striving to hold onto the lifeline.
Bob thank you for your helpful teachings.
I have a question for you if you're even able to answer.
Many people who teach the same as you, say that people like Todd and Ray and others are going to hell because they are teaching a false gospel and i think Paul even says let anyone preaching a different gospel be accursed. Wondering what your thoughts are on that? Me personally, i dont think i can make such a bold claim but obviously they believe in Jesus so i would guess and hope they are saved as well.
They show evidence of their belief in Christ by their conduct.
You are incorrect. Being a Christian for 50 years, I think my experience should give me some perspective. You are criticizing a good ambassador of Christ. You can put out a snippet of anyone and falsely accuse them of not following the gospel. JMHO.
Is some of what you've said contradictory to your own statements/belief? You stated, "By faith in Christ, a person is saved once & for all" & also say, ""We have that gift, we have e/lasting life & we continue to know we have that gift, as long as we *=====>* continue to believe the promise."
So, if a person comes to the place where they NO LONGER BELIEVE the promise(s) of God as it relates to e/lasting life, by that statement above, they lose it/forfeit it or however you want to term it? Based on what you've said, if they denounce their faith, they no longer have it, right?
No, they no longer have assurance of salvation. But they still have eternal life. No contradiction.
You gotta keep on keeping on.. Joe Dirt
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What's ironic is that it's guys like Ray and Todd who are like dogs going back to the vomit - they're trying to go back to the law and be justified by a self-righteousness, by their own "turning from sins" and ceasing from this or that vague amount of wrongdoing, their own living rightly instead. Their own behaviour, their own works and deeds. How complicated is "not by works of righteousness which we have done"? How hard is it to understand "Blessed is that man unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works"? Ray, stop trying to muster up some certain "kind" of faith to save you, just PUT all your faith in the SAVING ONE.
FYI for everybody watching. Repenting of your sins does NOT mean to stop sinning. It means to change your mind toward sin. You will STILL sin at times even after becoming a believer because your flesh is corrupt from the fall of Adam and Eve. False converts are those that never got saved. Salvation is a once in a lifetime event; those that believe the gospel gain eternal life at that moment and it cannot be lost. Period.
So why then does satan still tempt even true repentant believers ?
@@2Chronicles714_Have you ever heard people say they don't believe in God because Christians have done bad things before?
@@2Chronicles714_ What do you mean why? Lucifer (Satan) was the very first rebel to exist. He led one third of the angels against God. He hates us because we are in God's image. He wants us to reject God. Although believers will still succumb to temptation and sin, we do not lose our salvation though. God handles believers differently when we sin, compared to non-believers. God chastens believers, and He also let's Satan tempt believers. God even let's Satan destroy believers for certain reasons (Look at Job and what God let Satan do to him; Job was a believer and never lost faith despite God allowing Satan to make job suffer immensely)
Because true believers can slip into sinful living and the devil doesn’t want us to live life abundantly. What do you think you’ve proven lol?
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He knows OSAS is not true otherwise, he wouldn't temp real believers to sin.
Acts 16:31
Romans 4:5
Amen and
Acts 17:30
Acts 20:21
Romans 10:9-10
You need to study the word repent and thrn you’ll divide the word properly. You’ve been conditioned to hear repent of sin when ever you read repent. It simply means change mind and the context needs to inform of what.
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What is the one that God wants you to change your mind about?
The only thing that will keep you eternally separated from God.
Sin.
Certainly, we can all agree that this
definition rightly divides Gods meaning;
Repenting and turning away from sin means a recognition of my sins, which involves Godly sorrow,
brokenness and a commitment on my part to change the direction of my life. Repentance is not an emotion. Its more than being grieved or feeling sorry about my sin and even having remorse.
God wants the person to make a decision of the heart and mind [the will] to turn away from sin. Your life was going in one direction [sin] and you make a decision by faith to take your life in the opposite direction with His help.
It is making a genuine 180° change of heart recognizing that sin(s) is against God.
By turning from our sins to God we acknowledge we have disobeyed God. We have violated His law, offended his moral purity, tried to cast off his yoke of authority. It requires that we admit we have turned from God to sin.That is faith.
Repent means change your mind about your sinfulled life ALL SINS INCLUDING UNBELIEF,
false gods,
witchcraft,
self righteousness etc.
After repentance there must
be a genuine change of life because living in sin is disobedience and rebellion against God and the end result will be
destruction of the soul in hell.
There must be a change in conduct and how you live.
You don't have to remember every sin, Jesus knows them all. Confess ongoing sins, and ask for deliverance of them and forgiveness of all sins.
Repentance turning from sin - is a prelude to holiness.
Hebrews 12:14
Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy, without holiness no one will see the Lord.
Walking in holiness begins with repentance.We should think about it as a lifetime daily discipline of our faith,
necessary for a holy life as Jesus says in
Matthew 6:9-14.
None of us are sinless.
@@freegraceauhi I am the original poster of the comment, yes I do 💯 with you. Repent means a change of mind🏆
Don't you love it when teachers try to support a works-based salvation method by *interpreting* parables and allegories in a way that contravenes the *clear direct statements* of scripture that say justification and righteousness before God is by faith on Christ *without works?* Ray Comfort seems to be quite self-righteous, much in the way of the Pharisee in Luke 18.
Amen!
Ray Comfort is a reprobate!!!
As a thorn goeth up into the hand of a drunkard, so is a parable in the mouths of fools.
Proverbs:26:9
Great message!
Hearing Ray peach his false gospel rantings makes me ill.
This is what they preach.
Galatians 5:24
And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
2 Corinthians 5 15,17
And he died for all, that those who live might no longer live for themselves but for him who for their sake died and was raised.17Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.
@@2Chronicles714_ if only they would use those verses within their proper context. Sanctification.
@@meganstopera652
If we are Christ's then we will be a new creation in Jesus.
A new creation doesn't mean living in continuous unrepentant sin using grace as an excuse.
@@2Chronicles714_ please show me a time when anyone from GES claimed that we should unrepentantly live in sin.
Praise Jesus that He will gives everlasting life to anyone who believes in Him for it! Praise Jesus that it is not by works that I have done, but by the work that HE HAS DONE!!
@@meganstopera652Yes they do.
Watch other videos.
Does grace mean that since Jesus died on the cross for our sins that we can live anyway we want to?
Should we strive to enter the narrow gate ?
Should we try to strive for Holiness?
If we do are we trusting in ourselves instead of trusting in the finished work of Jesus?
it does day God is the judge of all (abraham called God this before He sent angels to investigate sodom and gomorrah)
and it does say God is not mocked, those who sow to the flesh will of the flesh reap corruption
that said, the more i read the bible, it does seem like there is some work/effort involved. We are saved by grace, through faith, our works alone cannot save us. If Jesus had not come, no amount of our 'good' deeds coild ever help us get to heaven. However, if you look at the Lord Lord scriptures, it appears that isnt enougj to just "call" God and Jesus our God and Lord, but faith without works is dead. Salvation technically only comes through what Jesus did, but it seems to be seen as acceptable and chosen by God, theres an element of doing the Father's will, being known by God, not practicing lawlessness (which seems to say not regularly committing sin, but then also not hyoer grace, that is not just doing what many ppl do, merely say a prayer and then go about living their own lives, sinning, and doing their own thing. That also might be lawlessness (refusing God's law and rule over your life))
the fear of the Lord is the beginning kf wisdom, jesus gave a very serious picture of how we should be tresting sin. Hebrrws says we are not to be regularly sinning otherwise there no longer remains a sacrifice for sin. Unforgiveness looks like it can also stop salvation, see parable of great debtor, and the Lords prayer.
Parable of wise and foolish virgins, half were ready/wise/prudent, the other half were foolish/unprepared and look to have been left behind
doers of the word, not merely hearers who deceive themselves. Faith requires action, i see it like, its belief in something enough that it actually changes how you live. Everyone knows its good to exercise and eat healthy, that knowledge is useless if it is not applied
God will one day separate sheep and goats, the qualifier being our actions. If anyrhing, that shows you some of what God really cares about. Post Jesus, the Revelations churches, God speaks correction over them. A fair bit of the nt is speaking correction to believers. Paul turned one man/believer who was committing atrocious sexual sin, "over to satan", why? That his soul might be saved. Implying it could hace been lost/unsaved had he continued in sin. True repentance isn't just saying sorry for sin, it's changing your thinking, turning away from sin/evil, and towards God and the things of God (not remaining in or making a habit/practice of sin/lawlessness, it seems).
To say, its a fallacy to think we're immediately perfect on salvation, or that its OSAS once saved always saved. Otherwise, you have to explain how the Lord Lord scriptures can be explained. Many will say on that day...i never knew you, depart from Me
many churches preach a hyper grace message, implying kr claiming God doesnt care about how we live or act post being saved. This is wrong, did lying, stealing, killing, idol worship suddenly "become ok" or good to do, post Jesus? No! While Jesus paid the price, it doesnt change the fact that sin is why Jesus chose to come and die for us, and that God hates sin (bc it hurts ourselves and others, and God loves and wants the best for us). To regularly commit or be in or practice sin is part of tbe Lord Lord scriptures and the ppl God rejects. The begjnnjng of wisdom is to fear the Lord (not be afraid of, but have a holy reverence and healtht respect of God), which is to hate evil. In 1John i believe it says let no one deceive you, the one who practices righteousness is righteous, the one who practices evil is of the devil. We're called not to make converts, but to make disciples. The disciples sat and learned at Jesus' feet for 3 years, and a disciples goal is to be like their master in word, deed, action, thought. Every christians goal should be to be like Jesus. Jesus said not my will, but Yours be done, modeling how our goal is to do Father God's will. Though it is relational, see mary vs martha, spending time w God is better than just doing stuff for God. And yet, how did Jesus model it? He woke up early mornings to pray, but then He didnt stay in the prayer closet, He went into the world and went about doing good.
is how it looks the more i read scripture. I suggest you look and research on your own wht the bible, and what Jesus said about it, and pray about it. Salvation is by what Jesus did, but to have that salvation it appears we must forgive and not harbor unforgiveness, and there is action/effort involved in truly making Jesus our God in reality/action, not just in name or word. As God leads, respond, trust, obey
Jesus says why do you call me Lord and not do what i say? Whom does Jesus then say is a wise versus foolish man?
many are called, few are chosen. narrow is the path. Jesus forgave the woman caught in adultery, but then said ' go and sin no more'. Jesus said to pharisees, the true sons of abraham are not just those who physically descended from him, but if you are sons of abraham, do the deeds of abraham. Abraham believed God, but he also obeyed when God spoke as shown by his willingness to give up Isaac. Hebrews or James list other heroes of the faith and how actions accompanied/showed/proved their faith, or showed their internal reality/heart was changed by producing good fruit. To do this we need to abide, remain, live in God, and remain in His word. Without God we are like a dead branch on the ground. Jesus is the tree, if we are connected, we can produce much fruit, which can last.
Study the bible for yourself, listen to the prompting you get/feel. Compare with scripture to ensure its God speaking, and not jsut your own thought or the devil trying to mess with you (discernment). Dont just take my word for it, read scripture for yourself and verify or disprove it
Very well said!
read 2-Pet chap 2
Ray Comfort once told a person that she had to trust in Jesus "AND STOP SINNING" in order to be saved.
Say what?!
We can't stop sinning first, but we absolutely have to make a decision to change our minds (repent) about our sinfulled lifes, to turn away from sin and turn to live for and serve Jesus.
@2Chronicles714_ what's the difference between (1) repenting (making a decision to change our minds) of our sinful lives and (2) turning away from sin?
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Repenting and turning away from sin means a recognition of my sins, which involves Godly sorrow,brokenness and a commitment on my part to change the direction of my life. Repentance is not an emotion. Its more than being grieved or feeling sorry about my sin and even having remorse.
God wants the person to make a decision of the heart and mind [the will] to turn away from sin. Your life was going in one direction [sin] and you make a decision by faith to take your life in the opposite direction with His help.
It is making a genuine 180° change of heart recognizing that sin(s) is against God.
By turning from our sins to God we acknowledge we have disobeyed God. We have violated His law, offended his moral purity, tried to cast off his yoke of authority. It requires that we admit we have turned from God to sin.That is faith.
Repent means change your mind about your sinfulled life ALL SINS INCLUDING UNBELIEF,
false gods,
witchcraft,
self righteousness etc.
After repentance there must
be a genuine change of life because living in sin is disobedience and rebellion against God and the end result will be
destruction of the soul in hell.
There must be a change in conduct and how you live.
You don't have to remember every sin, Jesus knows them all. Confess ongoing sins, and ask for deliverance of them and forgiveness of all sins.
Repentance turning from sin - is a prelude to holiness.
Hebrews 12:14
Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy, without holiness no one will see the Lord.
Walking in holiness begins with repentance.We should think about it as a lifetime daily discipline of our faith,
necessary for a holy life. Matthew 6:9-14.
None of us are sinless.
@2Chronicles714_ so, God promises everlasting life to me if I promise (i.e. commit) to change the direction of my life? An exchange of promises like this is a CONTRACT, and if what you say is true, then everlasting life would not be a GIFT to be freely given and freely received but rather it would be CONSIDERATION, to which I would be entilted as a promising party.
What happens if I fail to keep my promise? Does God get to rescind the consideration that He offered (i.e. everlasting life)?
There are some good bible study methods. It seems that one of the more popular ones is what i call the " cancel out bible study method ." It goes like this... John 3:16 is no longer true because James 2 :14 cancels it out. Acts 16:31 is not true because Mark 1:15 cancels it out. Ephesians 2:8,9 is canceled out by Hebrews 10:26,27. And so on and so on...... I guess there are many who do not know what a contradiction is. This just baffles my mind.
Read the whole council of God