Worldwide non-English speaking audiences simply don't care about The Wizard of Oz IP, and Broadway musicals are hard to sell on a different language and the original songs have no relevance outside the anglosphere.
I think Universal was hoping Grande’s global stardom would help. I mean they did a huge international press tour. Unfortunately a lot of Grande fans skipped seeing it in theaters because her singing was dubbed over in most countries.
It’s a shame that Ridley Scott didn’t keep the budget for Gladiator II under control with a $100-150 million dollar range because the movie would’ve been profitable.
It feels like so much of a repeat that I can't help thinking they could have done something else with Rome. We could have had Hannibal crossing the Alps with his elephants, or the Visigoths sacking Rome. It makes _The Return_ look interesting, even though that was in Ancient Greece.
It’s sort of crazy that they’re doing a “Dexter” origin story, because they did that throughout the series, from him being found in a bloody shipping container, to his father training him how to evade capture & target his “deserving” victims. But in the prequel’s favor, the young actor looks good in the part, & the original actor will still provide the narration of the voice in Dexter’s head, much like he did in the original series. That will provide continuity.
The first two seasons of Dexter are amazing. The rest of the series is a long downhill slide, and the revival quickly disappointed. My expectations for the prequel are low.
Dexter Original Sin actually leads into Dexter Resurrection from what I have heard. Everyone hated how Dexter New Blood Ended so they are undoing another finale like they did with season 8 😂
Wicked might not hit the billion-dollar mark, but solid box office performance and awards recognition are still impressive for a film that began with little general audience expectation outside of fans of the stage musical.
Wicked isn’t the exact same as Twisters, Wicked did decent in UK & Australia. It’s just that non-English speaking markets don’t have much interest in it whereas Twisters was only really a hit in the US
I rewatched the original Lion King animated movie today and I have to say, I just don't understand the story direction that this new Mufasa movie is taking. I had forgotten just how much they talked about royalty, tradition, and lineage in the original film (everything from Scar pointing out to Mufasa who got what genes in the family to Zazu saying that Simba and Nala had to get married because being betrothed was "a tradition going back *generations*". I don't understand why Disney has chosen to not only retcon all that, but to dethrone the most famous king in literally all of Hollywood history. Seriously, can anyone think of a more iconic king in Hollywood than Mufasa? It's madness and it ruins the magic of the original because it makes things like the birth ceremony or the "Under the Stars" moment feel strange, self-centered, and just ridiculous. Why, Disney? Why?😩 Did we really need to Ray Skywalk/Last Jedi Mufasa? Was there truly no other way to tell a Mufasa story?
@@Mad_Titan_Paresh But are those kings *really* more iconic than Mufasa? Definitely not. If you asked a random person on the street to name a famous king in a Hollywood movie, would someone really say any of those other names? Highly unlikely. For fun I asked all my coworkers and all (19 people) but 2 said Mufasa...the others mentioned King Julian and King Aragorn. And when you google the most famous movie kings, Mufasa is the #1 result. You won't find a more iconic royalty figure in cinema than Mufasa. So again, what on earth was Disney thinking?
Wicked had packed audiences here in New Zealand, but the window was super short. Most theatres only had it opened for 5 days. 5! Moana is very popular here, so I guess Wicked had to make way for that to open
I have heard the same excuse from wicked fans everywhere. You guys shouldn't have spread expectations saying "Wicked is soooo popular globally" to begin with
@@amangoyal923 No, I didn't have those expectations. Wicked has never even played a single show in NZ to date. But I do think the theatres here underestimated how many people would be interested in seeing it. They gave Gladiator II the big screens & a much longer run (it's still running). So yes, Glad II is popular overseas, but it doesn't hurt that it's a lot more available to see
I think Moana will make a billon. Wicked taking home 600 mill on 145 is great. My social media has still been all Wicked. Nobody be talking about the new Lord of the Rings or Kraven.
over here in colombia, wicked was very popular but it got very little screens after the first week! when moana came out, wicked literally only had 2 showings each day, and some theaters got rid of it altogether after week 1. i went to a couple showings and all of them were packed bc there were not many options. it's unfortunate that moana took all the screens.
These drops are huge because it’s the post thanksgiving weekend. Look at frozen 2s post thanksgiving dropoff which was 59 percent. This was expected. Small drops during thanksgiving- bigger dropoff post thanksgiving although overseas wicked only dropped 7 percent!!!
Wicked kinda reminds me of Dune. The first part underperformed grossing "only" $400 million. This year's "Dune" did $700 million. Wicked's next part might cross a billion next year. Especially with the great response it's getting.
It is nothing like Dune. Wicked has made just $135 millions overseas so far, Dune: Part 1 made $299 millions overseas, it was soft in US due to Covid ($109 millions).
@manantial773 don't forget Dune was re-released in theaters 2x back in 2021 and earlier this year in Imax and it benefitted from a stronger China release from part 1
I disagree. Wicked reminds me more of IT. Unlike Dune, the most hyped parts of Wicked are in the first part just like IT. Wicked 2 is more likely to decrease than increase. Also, Wicked isn't even getting close to $1B so the sequel needs to jump so high in popularity to reach that mark. That's not happening.
Wicked might not make a billion for part 1, but it is definitely going over a billion for both parts. I think that is a very respectable result given not that long ago people were predicting it would flop. Not to mention all the awards it is slowly accumulating.
I wonder if the fact that The Wizard of Oz is a US originated IP contributed to a weak international box office? You mentioned Wonka had a larger overseas haul last year, that's a UK IP and it did better overseas than here.
@@sandal_thong8631Wicked has been running on UK west end for years. But the *Wizard of Oz* is an original American fairy tale that may only be part of American culture not internationally
Moana 2 will make a billion; it made 103M internationally and 53M domestically just this weekend; it might have 200M domestically in its tank and 300M internationally. That puts it comfortably over the billion mark.
Lin Manuel Miranda HAS been doing press for Mufassa. Jimmy Fallon show, video interviews about the songwriting process, etc. You’ll see a bunch with a quick search
i genuinely don’t understand the concern for all the movies having big drops as if this isn’t completely normal for the post thanksgiving weekend. moana 2 dropped bigger than frozen 2 in its second weekend because frozen 2’s second weekend was the thanksgiving weekend. all films had huge drops this weekend, will have normal drops next weekend, then start to have decent holds for the christmas new years window. i don’t understand how any of this is news
The show was a great success! There were so many people in attendance, we had to bring chairs in from the classrooms and we ran out of intermission snacks 😅‼️ The kids had a blast and many more want to in the next production 🧙
@@kingslayer2999 Everyone cares about wicked. It is the BEST movie here. I cant wait until the Oscars and rest of the awards shows so wicked can run circles around your favorite movies
It was the weekend after Thanksgiving, an important factor for the drops. Have a look at previous years. Surprised the record breaking weekend wasn’t mentioned?
Just checked and Frozen 2 has a 77% critic review but a whopping 92% audience. We always use the actual ratings to show how the audience feels about something, so im confused why for Frozen, we're using random thoughts from people who say they didnt like it.
I love how Gladiator is already well well ahead of where Wicked will end up overseas weeks later. Grace and all theater brats were so smug. Grace in particular still cries about Barbie's box office over Oppenheimer every single video.
The only possible way I see Wicked getting to a billion is the singalong release. I went to a karaoke party last night and Wicked was by far the most “Popular” choice. I think if you give a bunch of theater people the opportunity to belt out defying gravity it might push it to the billion dollars mark.
@@sandal_thong8631 I forgot that rereleases numbers are added in. So it could do it that way too. I think that some people would argue that it’s cheating the system, but Avatar and End Game both did it.
Happy Sunday Grace I saw wicked for a 2nd time this weekend and I wish the movie was as big as Avatar cause the film is so incredible and it desertes all the flowers ❤
@@kikiandluca i'm the total opposite lol. i've never been into musicals, though i've enjoyed a few, and knew next to nothing about the story of wicked, yet i had an amazing time and am totally excited for part 2 next year. The 2 hr and 40 minute runtime of the movie felt no different than any hr and a half movie i've seen, which is amazing considering this is my first time watching a movie that long---that's how much i enjoyed it.
@@kikiandluca yeah i can probably see why, most IP's that are strictly American don't tend to do so well overseas, especially something as niche as broadway musical adaptations like Wicked.
@@kingslayer29995 wasn't terrible, but after watching season 6 I thought that they could've combined the seasons and made like a Joel Osteen killer and the two side plots could've also worked together. 7 should've been two seasons.
Wicked will open here in Germany this week, but I do not plan on seeing it. I never saw any Wizard of Oz movie, so I do not have any attachment to that world.
@@Lily-ni5po I get what you mean and I mostly agree. If I could I would see a lot more movies in the cinema, but unfortunally it is pretty expensive for me and I never eat or drink anything there. I took a look at my Letterboxd and I went to 14 screenings this year. That is a lot more than most people I know. Most people I know go one or to times a year. And I watched a few original movies in the cinema this year like Trap, Poor Things and The wild Robot. Wicked looks okay so far and I will maybe watch it in a year or so if it on netflix or a different streaming service.
@@SiyabusaNeo12 If I every find that movie for free on a streaming service here in germany I will watch it, but so far I have never seen it. The only Oz movie I could watch right now is the one with James Franco and well... it got James Franco in it, so i will pass xD
I think Wicked will be *popular* in Germany, as we have the Musical, too. It has already been playing this WE, though. Caveat - most playtimes are in OV, which is fine for me. Rare playings are German in Dialogue and English in Songs. This means that a lot of the kids and some of the adults would have a language barrier.
I have a small town single screen movie theatre and I’m playing Red One for one week Dec 13 to 19. These way-too-fast turnovers to streaming are killing us. The studios won’t give us one week runs until anywhere from Week 4 to Week 7. And then some studios toss the same movies on streaming rentals without warning as early as Day 17. 😠
I'm hoping _Red One_ will be in my favorite theater one more weekend, so my friend and I can see it Thursday. He wanted to see it in August, but when I told him it's out he didn't remember the movie after three months! Good to hear they waited to stream _Despicable Me 4_ for months. Maybe there's hope things will turn around and they'll end the insanity of quick-to-streaming.
Exactly. Praise to Pixar for holding Inside Out 2 as long as they did! Heck yeah! We gotta bring back 60-90 day theatrical window! Box Office AND the theaters themselves need to survive. And thus, moviegoing culture. Thus, Cinema, period.💯
I still can’t believe Moana is doing g that well. Maybe I should try watching the first one again bc I remember enjoying it enough to finish it but not enough to ever revisit.
What's frustrating about the situation with Wicked is that people are already using it not being on track to earn 1B as an excuse to make fun and dunk on it. As if 1B is the metric for a successful movie. It deserves to earn 1B though 😔
@ what addition are you doing nimrod. Budget is 150 mill plus 150 advertising. Theaters get half. So $600 mill will break even for wicked. Theaters gets 300 mill and movie is at 455 million now and past its prime. Where the hell do you see profit?
@@vishizzy i was sure that it was a commonly known rule that a movie has to make at least 2.5x it's budget to break even. And theaters do NOT get half the total gross. If they did then concessions at the theaters wouldnt be near as expensive Name calling is totally uncalled for. I certainly haven't called you a name? Can't you engage in a civil discussion without resorting to such behavior?
The theatre I was in was packed for Wicked this past Sunday, but you never know. I have a feeling Wicked will do incredibly well on streaming. It has really strong rewatchability.
The Substance is rising in my top 10 so much, the real mover this year for me, what an incredible film. How far will it rise? Gone from 10 to 4th place so far.
My cousin and his wife wanted to walk out during the third act, but didn't tell each other until after the movie. I skipped it because I heard the third act was bad and gross. It was an interesting idea about someone like Demi Moore taking a drug to stay beautiful and competitive in Hollywood, but they said it went off the rails.
There is a trade-off with shooting back to back, because it doesn't give the team any feedback to adjust the sequel based on public feedback and response.
I agree with original post. But if it's a part one, part two situation then it shouldn't matter. That is, if you know both parts already then the savings may be worth it.
It's dumb to see WB holds some of the biggest IPs and the most they did for DC was a burger with Carl's Jr and a chocolate Xbox... For sweepstakes... Lol
I'm sorry but to call Elsa/anna more adventurous than Pocahontas, MULAN, Tiana, Rapunzel, Merida and Ariel is just hilarious. I would tie them with Snow White tbh
Omg Grace, I can't believe you've never seen Dexter! I know watching old shows isn't really something you have much time for or need to do for work, but I highly recommend you watch it whenever there's a lull or you feel like watching content that you don't have to cover. Some of those seasons are must see tv and once you're in it, you won't be able to stop.
OMG! NO GOOD DEED? I was waiting for that, thanks for reminding me Grace. It's the same showrunner from DEAD TO ME which was a show that I am so amazed by. I never got a release date for No Good Deed the last time I checked for one. And also back to back with Maria? Oh boy...
it's ridiculous how late wicked is releasing in Germany. and for what reason? it's in the middle of Europe, surrounded by other countries that released it, at the very least, last week
it's released in Germany. There are dozens and dozens of showings in my area since Wednesday. They call it previews, probably to increase those OW numbers.
Haven't seen Wicked myself. Seems to far off from being directly a prequel to Wizard of Oz, but it at least made money on it's side with over 3times it's budget and it feels like now a day people say 2.5x time the budget to be a success.
Yeah, Baum never really wrote much about what happened before Dorothy arrived and what he did write wasn't accepted by kids (that the Wizard had the king killed and his daughter Ozma hidden away). My understanding was that the King's vizier or wizard died, so four wicked witches took over the four regions of Oz, leaving the king and his entourage in the central palace which became the Emerald City. The Wizard showed up and would take over this area but when he unwisely chose to go after the Wicked Witch of the West, she sent her animals after him to driver him out of the western Winkie Country which she ruled. Glenda the Good defeated the Wicked Witch of the South to rule Quadling Country in her stead. Tattypoo defeated Mombi, the Wicked Witch of the North to rule Gillikin Country. And Dorothy arrived to take out the other two wicked witches who may or may not have been sisters depending on book, movie or adaptation. So yeah, it seems weird in _Wicked_ that Glenda and Elphaba were friends with the latter being misunderstood and possibly driven to wickedness. But maybe corruption is the sign of the times that make people admire wickedness?
Movies watched this week: “Smile 2” US “Kneecap” IRE/UK (Irish “Trainspotting”) “The Children’s Train” ITA “Subservience” US “Camp Crasher” ARG Series watched this week: “The Addams Family” s1 US (1965) “Dune Prophecy” s1e4 US “SNL” s50e8 US Paul Mescal/Shaboozey
@ Yes, it’s a good recommendation, but it requires a bit of warning attached to it for its triggering portrayal of animals made to suffer (like the experimentation on Rocket Raccoon)
I finally got around to reading the Wizard of Oz this past week and loved it, hyped to watch the movie, then Wicked. Was feeling a little to whimsical after so I brought myself to Earth with a Wilbur Smith novel straight after, from a magical fairy tale to the violent, explicit and swashbuckling adventures of the Courtney's through colonial Africa, just what the doctor ordered
I said it , the wizard of Oz has big appeal domestically and is well known around the world ofc , but it is simply not as big as people made it out to be , if it was not for this cast i doubt it would go past 300 million worldwide , the biggest push is coming from the domestic box office.
I went to go see the Interstellar rerelease, and it definitely seems like they remixed portions of it. I found that I had no issues hearing any of the dialogue this time around
The things being for Wicked is... That the story in itself is more loved in the US and UK. Of course, it is known internationally, but it's not such a big thing in many other countries.
I still hope after Moana 2 potentially hits a billion, Disney turns Tiana’s Paperman-style animated Disney+ series into a fully theatrical, fully 2D/hand-drawn animated film sequel to The Princess and the Frog for a theatrical release in Thanksgiving 2029.
OH MY GAWD i didn't even think of them doing that-!!! 😍😭 They HAVE to do it!!! 🙏🙌 Tiana was their last 2D film, and she needs to be the catalyst for 2D's return! Go ahead and go takebacksies Disney! 2D animation is iconic!
If Wicked and Moana 2 had not dropped as much as they did, I would say Kraven would come in at #2. But I think it will be a soft #1, then crash when confronted with Sonic 3.
those are pretty strong numbers for Lindsay, I hope this Netflix deal shows the industry she's reliable again, can still be a draw and she gets better/more interesting projects in the future (I enjoyed these for what they are tbh)
I'd like to find out if Grace and another reviewer think it's worth watching for its own sake, as if it wasn't related to Spider-Man at all, or if it's another _Morbius_ or _Madame Web._
Worldwide non-English speaking audiences simply don't care about The Wizard of Oz IP, and Broadway musicals are hard to sell on a different language and the original songs have no relevance outside the anglosphere.
Very American IP (like Twisters) never does well internationally.
I think Universal was hoping Grande’s global stardom would help. I mean they did a huge international press tour. Unfortunately a lot of Grande fans skipped seeing it in theaters because her singing was dubbed over in most countries.
@@Its_Enri oof
There are very many Americans that don’t care about it either.
It'll most likely do well in Japan though since they love the broadway show & the story of the Wizard Of Oz as well
It’s a shame that Ridley Scott didn’t keep the budget for Gladiator II under control with a $100-150 million dollar range because the movie would’ve been profitable.
It feels like so much of a repeat that I can't help thinking they could have done something else with Rome. We could have had Hannibal crossing the Alps with his elephants, or the Visigoths sacking Rome. It makes _The Return_ look interesting, even though that was in Ancient Greece.
The problem were the strikes, they had to stop production and then continue and that increased the cost.
Still like his directing but he shouldnt be involved in anything outside directing
@@tonnyrodrigueznunezI bet writing in cgi baboons, sharks, and a Rhino didn’t help things either 😂
Scott's ego wouldn't have allowed him to be more conservative with the budget 😒
It’s sort of crazy that they’re doing a “Dexter” origin story, because they did that throughout the series, from him being found in a bloody shipping container, to his father training him how to evade capture & target his “deserving” victims. But in the prequel’s favor, the young actor looks good in the part, & the original actor will still provide the narration of the voice in Dexter’s head, much like he did in the original series. That will provide continuity.
The first two seasons of Dexter are amazing. The rest of the series is a long downhill slide, and the revival quickly disappointed. My expectations for the prequel are low.
Dexter Original Sin actually leads into Dexter Resurrection from what I have heard. Everyone hated how Dexter New Blood Ended so they are undoing another finale like they did with season 8 😂
@jimbelton 4 is also great. 3 just needed more time to breathe. 7 wasn't horrible, but it should've been 2 seasons.
@@jimbelton have to stop you on that. Dexter is amazing throughout, but for few average episodes in the sixth and eighth seasons.
@@jimbelton Season 4 is just as good as s1 and 2 imo. Lithgow as The Trinity Killer was gold.
Wicked had been consistently packed at my local AMC.
I've heard private groups actually rented an auditorium this weekend and last weekend to see _Wicked._
No one watched it in my country. Huge flop.
Wicked might not hit the billion-dollar mark, but solid box office performance and awards recognition are still impressive for a film that began with little general audience expectation outside of fans of the stage musical.
I think it was a mistake to rollout Wicked in many overseas markets late, against Moana 2.
Wicked isn’t the exact same as Twisters, Wicked did decent in UK & Australia. It’s just that non-English speaking markets don’t have much interest in it whereas Twisters was only really a hit in the US
Agatha is the first marvel show to stay in the ratings post run
Yep. Since Loki S2.
They are both trash shows imo
@ Agatha’s not trash.
Agatha was garbage
@@goldsearcher7606 yes it is
I rewatched the original Lion King animated movie today and I have to say, I just don't understand the story direction that this new Mufasa movie is taking. I had forgotten just how much they talked about royalty, tradition, and lineage in the original film (everything from Scar pointing out to Mufasa who got what genes in the family to Zazu saying that Simba and Nala had to get married because being betrothed was "a tradition going back *generations*". I don't understand why Disney has chosen to not only retcon all that, but to dethrone the most famous king in literally all of Hollywood history. Seriously, can anyone think of a more iconic king in Hollywood than Mufasa? It's madness and it ruins the magic of the original because it makes things like the birth ceremony or the "Under the Stars" moment feel strange, self-centered, and just ridiculous. Why, Disney? Why?😩 Did we really need to Ray Skywalk/Last Jedi Mufasa? Was there truly no other way to tell a Mufasa story?
Thats EXACTLY my problem with this Mufasa movie
King Arthur. King Theoden, T'challa and King George.
@@Mad_Titan_Paresh But are those kings *really* more iconic than Mufasa? Definitely not. If you asked a random person on the street to name a famous king in a Hollywood movie, would someone really say any of those other names? Highly unlikely. For fun I asked all my coworkers and all (19 people) but 2 said Mufasa...the others mentioned King Julian and King Aragorn. And when you google the most famous movie kings, Mufasa is the #1 result. You won't find a more iconic royalty figure in cinema than Mufasa. So again, what on earth was Disney thinking?
Surprised about Wicked! Here in Ireland it is super popular. Not seen cinema theaters packed like this in a while.
I went to a Monday 10.40am showing last week and that was really busy! In England.
Because ireland is supposed to be world's biggest market or reference point for a movie's performance 🙄
@@amangoyal923no one said it was, they were just surprised
Wicked had packed audiences here in New Zealand, but the window was super short. Most theatres only had it opened for 5 days. 5! Moana is very popular here, so I guess Wicked had to make way for that to open
I have heard the same excuse from wicked fans everywhere. You guys shouldn't have spread expectations saying "Wicked is soooo popular globally" to begin with
@@amangoyal923 its one of the most popular musicals in the western world, not only America
@@amangoyal923What? 😂
@@amangoyal923 No, I didn't have those expectations. Wicked has never even played a single show in NZ to date. But I do think the theatres here underestimated how many people would be interested in seeing it. They gave Gladiator II the big screens & a much longer run (it's still running). So yes, Glad II is popular overseas, but it doesn't hurt that it's a lot more available to see
If Sonic 3 makes over 100 mil at the US box office it will be the first 2020’s-decade made trilogy to have each entry cross that threshold
I think Moana will make a billon. Wicked taking home 600 mill on 145 is great. My social media has still been all Wicked. Nobody be talking about the new Lord of the Rings or Kraven.
over here in colombia, wicked was very popular but it got very little screens after the first week! when moana came out, wicked literally only had 2 showings each day, and some theaters got rid of it altogether after week 1. i went to a couple showings and all of them were packed bc there were not many options. it's unfortunate that moana took all the screens.
These drops are huge because it’s the post thanksgiving weekend. Look at frozen 2s post thanksgiving dropoff which was 59 percent. This was expected. Small drops during thanksgiving- bigger dropoff post thanksgiving although overseas wicked only dropped 7 percent!!!
Wicked kinda reminds me of Dune. The first part underperformed grossing "only" $400 million. This year's "Dune" did $700 million. Wicked's next part might cross a billion next year. Especially with the great response it's getting.
It is nothing like Dune. Wicked has made just $135 millions overseas so far, Dune: Part 1 made $299 millions overseas, it was soft in US due to Covid ($109 millions).
@@manantial773 that’s not a wild comparison wicked’s run isn’t over. It could definitely end closer to that number.
@manantial773 don't forget Dune was re-released in theaters 2x back in 2021 and earlier this year in Imax and it benefitted from a stronger China release from part 1
Nobody outside of America gives a flying fig about Wicked
I disagree. Wicked reminds me more of IT. Unlike Dune, the most hyped parts of Wicked are in the first part just like IT. Wicked 2 is more likely to decrease than increase. Also, Wicked isn't even getting close to $1B so the sequel needs to jump so high in popularity to reach that mark. That's not happening.
Wicked might not make a billion for part 1, but it is definitely going over a billion for both parts. I think that is a very respectable result given not that long ago people were predicting it would flop. Not to mention all the awards it is slowly accumulating.
I wonder if the fact that The Wizard of Oz is a US originated IP contributed to a weak international box office? You mentioned Wonka had a larger overseas haul last year, that's a UK IP and it did better overseas than here.
Depends if _Wicked_ the play tours internationally to good crowds, especially in the U.K.
Wizard of oz it is popular, but what is not is the alternative version that is wicked. Thats whats is more popular with English speaking countries.
@@sandal_thong8631Wicked has been running on UK west end for years. But the *Wizard of Oz* is an original American fairy tale that may only be part of American culture not internationally
@@sandal_thong8631 I've actually been to the West End version a few years ago. I had a lot of fun
Moana 2 will make a billion; it made 103M internationally and 53M domestically just this weekend; it might have 200M domestically in its tank and 300M internationally. That puts it comfortably over the billion mark.
Lin Manuel Miranda HAS been doing press for Mufassa. Jimmy Fallon show, video interviews about the songwriting process, etc. You’ll see a bunch with a quick search
i genuinely don’t understand the concern for all the movies having big drops as if this isn’t completely normal for the post thanksgiving weekend.
moana 2 dropped bigger than frozen 2 in its second weekend because frozen 2’s second weekend was the thanksgiving weekend.
all films had huge drops this weekend, will have normal drops next weekend, then start to have decent holds for the christmas new years window. i don’t understand how any of this is news
I don't think Grace was too alarmed about the drops, as she would have been in the summer or other seasons.
My wife is directing a production of the Best Christmas Pageant Ever for her HS Christmas show… and ironically it is going just as in the script 😅‼️
The show was a great success! There were so many people in attendance, we had to bring chairs in from the classrooms and we ran out of intermission snacks 😅‼️
The kids had a blast and many more want to in the next production 🧙
Paul Mescal has already starred in a musical. “Carmen”
The reason for the bigger drops is the post thanksgiving timing
My guess:
MOANA 2: ~1.2B
WICKED: ~700M
GLADIATOR II: ~455M
Too optimistic about Wicked and Gladiator.
Nobody but the Yanks give a crap about Wicked and its crap take on the OZ Lore
@@manantial773wicked Will be fine.
@@kingslayer2999 Everyone cares about wicked. It is the BEST movie here. I cant wait until the Oscars and rest of the awards shows so wicked can run circles around your favorite movies
My numbers:
Moana 2: $970 mil
Wicked: $675 mil
Gladiator 2: $422 mil
Just saw Best Christmas Pageant. Wonderful movie. Highly recommended!
What I’ve been watching:
Abbott elementary (Hulu)
Cross (Primevideo)
Cobra Kai (Netflix)
Gladiator 2 - I was entertained
Creature Commandos (Max)
It was the weekend after Thanksgiving, an important factor for the drops. Have a look at previous years. Surprised the record breaking weekend wasn’t mentioned?
Monday morning in Australia! And this is always my gift to wake up to. Thank you Grace for all your hard work and dedication!!!!
Ditto ❤
I just saw Wicked today, and I absolutely ADORE this movie 😍 Cynthia and Ariana did both such powerful performances. Goosebumps at the end 🔥🔥🔥❤❤❤
Just checked and Frozen 2 has a 77% critic review but a whopping 92% audience. We always use the actual ratings to show how the audience feels about something, so im confused why for Frozen, we're using random thoughts from people who say they didnt like it.
Thank you, Grace!
Grace, what about the sing-along screenings that will be opening later this month? That should increase Wicked’s BO numbers as well right?
I don’t think glicked worked because the overseas numbers are so bad
Glicked does not exist, they did not even came together overseas.
I love how Gladiator is already well well ahead of where Wicked will end up overseas weeks later. Grace and all theater brats were so smug. Grace in particular still cries about Barbie's box office over Oppenheimer every single video.
The only possible way I see Wicked getting to a billion is the singalong release. I went to a karaoke party last night and Wicked was by far the most “Popular” choice. I think if you give a bunch of theater people the opportunity to belt out defying gravity it might push it to the billion dollars mark.
Maybe during a re-release before part 2 next year?
There's no way dude I'd say part two has a chance
@@sandal_thong8631 I forgot that rereleases numbers are added in. So it could do it that way too. I think that some people would argue that it’s cheating the system, but Avatar and End Game both did it.
Best Christmas Pageant Ever is so much fun and well done 👍‼️
Moana and Elsa are, by definition as daughters of the king and queen, Disney princesses.
Happy Sunday Grace I saw wicked for a 2nd time this weekend and I wish the movie was as big as Avatar cause the film is so incredible and it desertes all the flowers ❤
I am a big lover of musicals. I didn’t love Wicked. I don’t think a lot of normies loved the movie or are interested in it.
@@kikiandluca i'm the total opposite lol.
i've never been into musicals, though i've enjoyed a few, and knew next to nothing about the story of wicked, yet i had an amazing time and am totally excited for part 2 next year. The 2 hr and 40 minute runtime of the movie felt no different than any hr and a half movie i've seen, which is amazing considering this is my first time watching a movie that long---that's how much i enjoyed it.
@@bringbackthedarkness I’m glad you enjoyed it! But international box office shows it doesn’t have broad appeal around the world.
@@kikiandluca yeah i can probably see why, most IP's that are strictly American don't tend to do so well overseas, especially something as niche as broadway musical adaptations like Wicked.
Anyone who hasn't seen Dexter... just do it. The original show is such a nailbiter.
But you can stop after season 2, or season 3 tops. It just wasn't the same post James Doakes.
@jimbelton I Missed James Doakes but John Lithgow in Dexter season 4 is worth watching and season 5 6 & 7 are good enough imo
Nothing else compare
@@kingslayer29995 wasn't terrible, but after watching season 6 I thought that they could've combined the seasons and made like a Joel Osteen killer and the two side plots could've also worked together.
7 should've been two seasons.
The show was over for me once they killed off rita,
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600M total for Wicked seems too low; I'd put it close to 700M.
Moana 2 numbers are INSANE. It wasn't at my radar like at all
Moana is the biggest movie on Disney+. Not surprising at all.
It’s so bad
Give it try. It is quite good!
@@Kyle_Leinen I'm mostly a bit disappointed by Disney/Pixar sequels but I'll definitely watch it. First Moana was phenomenal.
Wicked will open here in Germany this week, but I do not plan on seeing it. I never saw any Wizard of Oz movie, so I do not have any attachment to that world.
Try wizard of oz it good move and see if u like it or not if u don't that's fine but if u do see wicked the movie
And that is the kind of attitude that makes Hollywood afraid to try new movies with no existing I.P. It's not a bad thing to try something new.
@@Lily-ni5po I get what you mean and I mostly agree. If I could I would see a lot more movies in the cinema, but unfortunally it is pretty expensive for me and I never eat or drink anything there. I took a look at my Letterboxd and I went to 14 screenings this year. That is a lot more than most people I know. Most people I know go one or to times a year.
And I watched a few original movies in the cinema this year like Trap, Poor Things and The wild Robot.
Wicked looks okay so far and I will maybe watch it in a year or so if it on netflix or a different streaming service.
@@SiyabusaNeo12
If I every find that movie for free on a streaming service here in germany I will watch it, but so far I have never seen it.
The only Oz movie I could watch right now is the one with James Franco and well... it got James Franco in it, so i will pass xD
I think Wicked will be *popular* in Germany, as we have the Musical, too. It has already been playing this WE, though. Caveat - most playtimes are in OV, which is fine for me. Rare playings are German in Dialogue and English in Songs. This means that a lot of the kids and some of the adults would have a language barrier.
I have a small town single screen movie theatre and I’m playing Red One for one week Dec 13 to 19. These way-too-fast turnovers to streaming are killing us. The studios won’t give us one week runs until anywhere from Week 4 to Week 7. And then some studios toss the same movies on streaming rentals without warning as early as Day 17. 😠
I'm hoping _Red One_ will be in my favorite theater one more weekend, so my friend and I can see it Thursday. He wanted to see it in August, but when I told him it's out he didn't remember the movie after three months!
Good to hear they waited to stream _Despicable Me 4_ for months. Maybe there's hope things will turn around and they'll end the insanity of quick-to-streaming.
@ I hope so too.
Exactly. Praise to Pixar for holding Inside Out 2 as long as they did! Heck yeah! We gotta bring back 60-90 day theatrical window! Box Office AND the theaters themselves need to survive. And thus, moviegoing culture. Thus, Cinema, period.💯
@@rafaelmanzo9497 She said _Despicable Me 4_ was held for awhile.
I still can’t believe Moana is doing g that well. Maybe I should try watching the first one again bc I remember enjoying it enough to finish it but not enough to ever revisit.
Give them both a chance! Quite good.
@ I honestly think I will. The first one might be my movie for tonight.
Moana is definitely a Disney princess
Thanks queen! My Sunday is not complete without movie math.
I wanted to watch wicked over the weekend but all the screen was occupied by moana 2
What's frustrating about the situation with Wicked is that people are already using it not being on track to earn 1B as an excuse to make fun and dunk on it. As if 1B is the metric for a successful movie. It deserves to earn 1B though 😔
It has to make $600 million to break even. Learn about math before you comment
Who cares either way
Budget of 145mil × 2.5 = 362.5mil
I math just fine
You could've just scrolled by and yet you're here
@ what addition are you doing nimrod. Budget is 150 mill plus 150 advertising. Theaters get half. So $600 mill will break even for wicked. Theaters gets 300 mill and movie is at 455 million now and past its prime. Where the hell do you see profit?
@@vishizzy i was sure that it was a commonly known rule that a movie has to make at least 2.5x it's budget to break even. And theaters do NOT get half the total gross. If they did then concessions at the theaters wouldnt be near as expensive
Name calling is totally uncalled for. I certainly haven't called you a name? Can't you engage in a civil discussion without resorting to such behavior?
I don’t remember the interstellar scene Grace is talking about with Michael Caine…
Moana will easily hit a billion
Moana 2: 850 Million
Wicked: 675 Million
Gladiator 2: 450 Million
I met a girl who watches Movie Math too. I knew she was a keeper. I’m happy. 😊❤️
Paul Mescal is in a musical Merrily We Roll Along. Their filming every year for 20 years like they did with Boyhood
Can’t wait for 20 years from now…
As always, rely on Movie Math while I'm warming up my guitar, and a night's worth of playing begins...
The theatre I was in was packed for Wicked this past Sunday, but you never know. I have a feeling Wicked will do incredibly well on streaming. It has really strong rewatchability.
Went and saw Interstellar today in a nearly packed theater. It was as amazing today as it was 10 years ago.
Overrated then, overrated now.
@@Hunteriscoming Subjective argument then, subjective argument now.
@@Kirshara85 Diamond absolute then, Diamond absolute now.
Another great show, Grace! Looking forward to your golden globes coverage!
2:13 Asking Moana 2 how far can it go...pun definitely not intended
0:30 love that effect on the Moana & “Glicked” photo!
I enjoyed Wicked SO much more the second time! With no expectations and better sound, it was amazing. Ugh, I’m obsessed 🧹definitely going again!
Hi grace dont forgot paddington 3 made over 40 million against wicked and gladiator 2 in the uk alone
Thanks for sharing. I'll mark my calendar for February 14th for the release date in the U.S. but I probably won't see it.
The Substance is rising in my top 10 so much, the real mover this year for me, what an incredible film. How far will it rise? Gone from 10 to 4th place so far.
My cousin and his wife wanted to walk out during the third act, but didn't tell each other until after the movie. I skipped it because I heard the third act was bad and gross. It was an interesting idea about someone like Demi Moore taking a drug to stay beautiful and competitive in Hollywood, but they said it went off the rails.
12:18 Paul Mescal is already in a musical called "Merrily We Roll Along" directed by Richard Linklater.
We are still questioning Moana 2’s billion….my gosh. 😅
Where was 2 billion mentioned in the video?
@ Moana 2. Not 2 billion. Lol
There is a trade-off with shooting back to back, because it doesn't give the team any feedback to adjust the sequel based on public feedback and response.
They could always do reshoots and push back the second release. It’s still a win.
I agree with original post. But if it's a part one, part two situation then it shouldn't matter. That is, if you know both parts already then the savings may be worth it.
It's dumb to see WB holds some of the biggest IPs and the most they did for DC was a burger with Carl's Jr and a chocolate Xbox... For sweepstakes... Lol
I'm sorry but to call Elsa/anna more adventurous than Pocahontas, MULAN, Tiana, Rapunzel, Merida and Ariel is just hilarious. I would tie them with Snow White tbh
I’m a Brazilian dc fan. 🇧🇷
Ive seen so many people pirating Wicked ive never seem the pirates snatch up a movie this fast
Finally, after many refreshes, the obligatory Sunday/Monday movie math 🤑
Omg Grace, I can't believe you've never seen Dexter! I know watching old shows isn't really something you have much time for or need to do for work, but I highly recommend you watch it whenever there's a lull or you feel like watching content that you don't have to cover. Some of those seasons are must see tv and once you're in it, you won't be able to stop.
OMG! NO GOOD DEED?
I was waiting for that, thanks for reminding me Grace. It's the same showrunner from DEAD TO ME which was a show that I am so amazed by. I never got a release date for No Good Deed the last time I checked for one.
And also back to back with Maria? Oh boy...
You gotta watch Dexter
You will absolutely will love it.
Season 4 is My Favorite
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Lioness has an amazing cast and she still steals every scene she is in.
it's ridiculous how late wicked is releasing in Germany. and for what reason? it's in the middle of Europe, surrounded by other countries that released it, at the very least, last week
it's released in Germany. There are dozens and dozens of showings in my area since Wednesday. They call it previews, probably to increase those OW numbers.
Highlight of my Sunday!!
Haven't seen Wicked myself. Seems to far off from being directly a prequel to Wizard of Oz, but it at least made money on it's side with over 3times it's budget and it feels like now a day people say 2.5x time the budget to be a success.
Yeah, Baum never really wrote much about what happened before Dorothy arrived and what he did write wasn't accepted by kids (that the Wizard had the king killed and his daughter Ozma hidden away). My understanding was that the King's vizier or wizard died, so four wicked witches took over the four regions of Oz, leaving the king and his entourage in the central palace which became the Emerald City. The Wizard showed up and would take over this area but when he unwisely chose to go after the Wicked Witch of the West, she sent her animals after him to driver him out of the western Winkie Country which she ruled.
Glenda the Good defeated the Wicked Witch of the South to rule Quadling Country in her stead. Tattypoo defeated Mombi, the Wicked Witch of the North to rule Gillikin Country. And Dorothy arrived to take out the other two wicked witches who may or may not have been sisters depending on book, movie or adaptation.
So yeah, it seems weird in _Wicked_ that Glenda and Elphaba were friends with the latter being misunderstood and possibly driven to wickedness. But maybe corruption is the sign of the times that make people admire wickedness?
Movies watched this week:
“Smile 2” US
“Kneecap” IRE/UK (Irish “Trainspotting”)
“The Children’s Train” ITA
“Subservience” US
“Camp Crasher” ARG
Series watched this week:
“The Addams Family” s1 US (1965)
“Dune Prophecy” s1e4 US
“SNL” s50e8 US Paul Mescal/Shaboozey
I watched Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 3. It was really good I recommend it
@ Yes, it’s a good recommendation, but it requires a bit of warning attached to it for its triggering portrayal of animals made to suffer (like the experimentation on Rocket Raccoon)
No way were those 2 movies the new Barbenheimer. No legs and serious Oscar’s for both.
I finally got around to reading the Wizard of Oz this past week and loved it, hyped to watch the movie, then Wicked. Was feeling a little to whimsical after so I brought myself to Earth with a Wilbur Smith novel straight after, from a magical fairy tale to the violent, explicit and swashbuckling adventures of the Courtney's through colonial Africa, just what the doctor ordered
I said it , the wizard of Oz has big appeal domestically and is well known around the world ofc , but it is simply not as big as people made it out to be , if it was not for this cast i doubt it would go past 300 million worldwide , the biggest push is coming from the domestic box office.
I am just waiting for Sonic 3 that is all i care about right now 😂😂
Was ten minutes into Emilia Perez when I got a notification that movie math hath arrived.
Priorities.
I went to go see the Interstellar rerelease, and it definitely seems like they remixed portions of it. I found that I had no issues hearing any of the dialogue this time around
13:10 the movie did not get him a huge platform, him wearing short shorts did 😂
I will preface this with am a terrible prognosticator, but I will predict that not only will Moana 2 beat Kraven next weekend, but so will Wicked.
Depends on Grace's and other critics' reviews I think. If they say it works as a story then maybe people will turn up with low expectations.
YESSSSSS MY SUNDAY THANK YOU GRACE AND ALL TO MOANA AND WICKED SUCCESS ❤😊
The things being for Wicked is... That the story in itself is more loved in the US and UK. Of course, it is known internationally, but it's not such a big thing in many other countries.
I still hope after Moana 2 potentially hits a billion, Disney turns Tiana’s Paperman-style animated Disney+ series into a fully theatrical, fully 2D/hand-drawn animated film sequel to The Princess and the Frog for a theatrical release in Thanksgiving 2029.
OH MY GAWD i didn't even think of them doing that-!!! 😍😭 They HAVE to do it!!! 🙏🙌 Tiana was their last 2D film, and she needs to be the catalyst for 2D's return! Go ahead and go takebacksies Disney! 2D animation is iconic!
When does the Superman trailer drop
With Mufasa
Who cares about James Gunns Garbage
@@kingslayer2999 everyone
If Wicked and Moana 2 had not dropped as much as they did, I would say Kraven would come in at #2. But I think it will be a soft #1, then crash when confronted with Sonic 3.
I hope I don’t sound stupid but what does IP mean?
Not stupid at all! It's short of "intellectual property" and its Hollywood shorthand for a franchise or potential franchise, basically.
@ Thank you, Grace. I knew it had to be something like that because of the context in which you use it, but could never guess what it meant exactly. 😂
Too early for Wicked
Beetlejuice 1 was never a big movie
those are pretty strong numbers for Lindsay, I hope this Netflix deal shows the industry she's reliable again, can still be a draw and she gets better/more interesting projects in the future (I enjoyed these for what they are tbh)
Do we think the plan to have sing along showings might help it later in its run?
I’m really excited for Kraven to be honest.
I'd like to find out if Grace and another reviewer think it's worth watching for its own sake, as if it wasn't related to Spider-Man at all, or if it's another _Morbius_ or _Madame Web._