I disagree about the 2769H (the black handled 1/4 drive handle). I've never had an issue using it with hands covered in ATF or coolant. I also don't think it needs a female 1/4 drive spot on top of its handle either. The whole concept of the tool is to be able to rotate the handle 90 degrees to break a fastener loose or for final tightening or to use it extended for easy spinning. Not every tool from every brand is going to make everyone happy. Have you had a chance to experience Ko-ken's knurling on their metal ratchet handles or extensions yet?
agree 100%. the 2769H is just about perfect. Japanese engineering really takes into account proper tool use (ie use a breaker bar to crack loose and not a ratchet). Knurling or texture on that section would, IMO, be a pity, as that is where you hold it to stabilize the tool. The smooth finish is proper and well thought out. Also, if you need a 1/4 socket end on the handle, it’s not the right tool.
I'm watching your reviews with interest. I'm constantly changing the contents of my tool roll I carry in my motorcycle saddle bag. Been traveling on motorcycles 35 years and seems like I'll never have the almost perfect tool roll.
that spinner t-handle would be great for working on ATVs.. i mostly use 1/4 when working on atvs.... that little thing would work great.. not for 40 bucks thow...lol
That simple spinner handle is identical to the one sold by Kyoto Tool (KTC). Part number is KTC BD10 and Ko-Ken 2769F, if you want to compare. I'm willing to bet Ko-Ken has been sourcing their spinner handle from KTC, which is known to do private label tools. This would also explain the unusual lack of attention to detail. KTC makes excellent tools, but they are often a bit coarse in appearance. I'm not talking about their Nepros line here of course.
BIG CAT....🐈 0:18... because they know they have good quality tools that will get a good review.... they're not trying to send you junk and hoping that you lean their way It's heavy because it is a breaker bar more mass to help break Fasteners and then flip it up and spin it... it will spin smoothly because of the mass.... I personally think that's awesome! that thing is a great idea Most people that are going to be using those are going to be technicians in a fairly clean shop those aren't industrial-grade tools and they're not going to be abused the way that you described those people aren't buying those tools they're buying Blackhawk and Proto
Good review, would like to have seen a 1/4 drive square on the back of the flip drive, deal killer for me. As far as the Williams spinner, I bought it because it has steel all the way through, but find the handle to actually be my complaint. It is too small of diameter for me to really torque with my grip. I like the larger handles like my Proto.
Catus, have you ever come across a spinner handle that also has a hex lug or wrench flats on the shaft? I want one with that feature, along with the female square on the back.
Catus, your points are well taken. Frankly, I am surprised that Ko-ken's engineers didn't apply the correct amount of thinking to either spinner. As for the weight of the more expensive one, I only approve of justifiable mass. Tradesmen already have heavy tool belts; they don't need to compound that problem.
love my Williams spinner handle, I use it often, which is what made me consider maybe getting the ko-ken version. but yeah, doesnt seem like much thought went into it. Funny detail: The Williams spinner handle is probably the only `Made in Taiwan' item that still has an M-number designation (usually reserved only for their Made in USA tools). it's that good!
@@CatusMaximus At first glance, I thought the black one was a Yankee style push drive with a hand grenade style grip. Knurling and 1/4” end would have been optimal.
Koken 2769f is really durable had mine for maybe 20 years and one of my favourite tools.
I disagree about the 2769H (the black handled 1/4 drive handle). I've never had an issue using it with hands covered in ATF or coolant. I also don't think it needs a female 1/4 drive spot on top of its handle either. The whole concept of the tool is to be able to rotate the handle 90 degrees to break a fastener loose or for final tightening or to use it extended for easy spinning. Not every tool from every brand is going to make everyone happy. Have you had a chance to experience Ko-ken's knurling on their metal ratchet handles or extensions yet?
agree 100%. the 2769H is just about perfect. Japanese engineering really takes into account proper tool use (ie use a breaker bar to crack loose and not a ratchet). Knurling or texture on that section would, IMO, be a pity, as that is where you hold it to stabilize the tool. The smooth finish is proper and well thought out. Also, if you need a 1/4 socket end on the handle, it’s not the right tool.
Hope you do more koken tool reviews
I'm watching your reviews with interest. I'm constantly changing the contents of my tool roll I carry in my motorcycle saddle bag. Been traveling on motorcycles 35 years and seems like I'll never have the almost perfect tool roll.
If you get a sidecar you'll have a lot more space for all the tools you can need even a spare motor... :)
@@CatusMaximus Never thought of that. Thanks for the tip.
that spinner t-handle would be great for working on ATVs.. i mostly use 1/4 when working on atvs.... that little thing would work great.. not for 40 bucks thow...lol
Precise review as usual Catus. I am worried about Tiny....How is she doing
YAY SPINNER HANDLES!
That simple spinner handle is identical to the one sold by Kyoto Tool (KTC). Part number is KTC BD10 and Ko-Ken 2769F, if you want to compare.
I'm willing to bet Ko-Ken has been sourcing their spinner handle from KTC, which is known to do private label tools. This would also explain the unusual lack of attention to detail. KTC makes excellent tools, but they are often a bit coarse in appearance. I'm not talking about their Nepros line here of course.
Can you do the koken nut gripper sockets?
BIG CAT....🐈
0:18... because they know they have good quality tools that will get a good review.... they're not trying to send you junk and hoping that you lean their way
It's heavy because it is a breaker bar more mass to help break Fasteners and then flip it up and spin it... it will spin smoothly because of the mass.... I personally think that's awesome! that thing is a great idea
Most people that are going to be using those are going to be technicians in a fairly clean shop those aren't industrial-grade tools and they're not going to be abused the way that you described those people aren't buying those tools they're buying Blackhawk and Proto
Good review, would like to have seen a 1/4 drive square on the back of the flip drive, deal killer for me. As far as the Williams spinner, I bought it because it has steel all the way through, but find the handle to actually be my complaint. It is too small of diameter for me to really torque with my grip. I like the larger handles like my Proto.
Thanks,Catus--
Catus, have you ever come across a spinner handle that also has a hex lug or wrench flats on the shaft? I want one with that feature, along with the female square on the back.
Hopefully you can get on some vessel tools.
Catus, your points are well taken. Frankly, I am surprised that Ko-ken's engineers didn't apply the correct amount of thinking to either spinner.
As for the weight of the more expensive one, I only approve of justifiable mass. Tradesmen already have heavy tool belts; they don't need to compound that problem.
i like the breaker driver but, if it's too hard to get out, that kills the time savings
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Yeah, Koken needs to send you more tools for me to get an opinion.
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love my Williams spinner handle, I use it often, which is what made me consider maybe getting the ko-ken version. but yeah, doesnt seem like much thought went into it. Funny detail: The Williams spinner handle is probably the only `Made in Taiwan' item that still has an M-number designation (usually reserved only for their Made in USA tools). it's that good!
Thanks for the objective review.
My pleasure!
@@CatusMaximus At first glance, I thought the black one was a Yankee style push drive with a hand grenade style grip. Knurling and 1/4” end would have been optimal.
you can't drive it with a ratchet or it'll break, I wouldn't consider them
Why is your mechanic getting the job done so fast? He is using “Ko-Ken” tools... Ba-dum-dump-dump.