Irish Mythology: Four Jewels of the Tuatha Dé Danann
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- Опубликовано: 23 июл 2024
- Within Irish mythology there are four almighty treasures known as the four jewels of the Tuatha Dé Danann. The Four magical instruments of power are the Stone of Fál, the Spear of Lugh, the Sword of Light & the Cauldron of Dagda. Each of these items is extremely powerful and connected to the divine.
Do these four treasures have counterparts within the Lands Between? Join with me as we find out more together!
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*A quick side note take a look at 08:35 to the horses the Tuatha Dé Danann ride, they have golden plated face armor featuring a long horn. Then take a look at the two Tree Sentinels guarding the Leyndell outskirts, you will see the same type of horse armor, as well as using gold for the material. eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com... 
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This is incredible! I have to play this game! Thank you!
Thank you so much for your kind words and your support! While the learning curve can be harsh at first you’ll be an Elden Lord in no time! I would definitely recommend Elden Ring to you. Good luck tarnished!
Excellent work as always with the interesting insights.
I had never even heard of the Caldron of the Dagda before, but when you mentioned it the first thing my mind went to was the minor Erdtrees. Various items talk about how back in the age of plenty, blessings would come from the Erdtree in the form of sap, which was collected in small basins and thought to never run out, at least until they did eventually stop flowing freely. We can find these basins at the bases of many minor erdtrees, and pretty much any location where you find tears for the Wonderous physic, as well as absolutely everywhere in Leyndell. A bowl-shaped object that is associated with infinite prosperity sounds like they might have used the Caldron as inspiration for even more things than just the Giant's Flame.
Though I do find the irony rather funny of the flame caldron. While we do have a very biased view of the Fell God since we only learn about it through the perspective of the Golden Order who tried to wipe him out, the Fell God does still seem to be a more cruel deity than a misunderstood one. It's fire incantations are explosive and destructive, often with maximum AOE and little regard for collateral damage, the Giant's are considered "cursed" to tend to the flame and were "freed" from it by being killed, and the Fire Giant has to tear off and sacrifice its own leg to call on it's God's power. Even the Monks who became "obsessed" with the flame according to their armor set also still make it absolutely clear that the flame is to be feared, with Flame Cleanse me burning the caster to remind them to fear the flame, and Flame Grant me Strength being banned due to it NOT burning the caster.
"Evil/temptations being eternal" is a common trope seen in a lot of religions, especially Christianity, but tying it to a source that was originally the complete opposite was something I found rather ironically amusing. From a wellspring of infinite production to one of infinite destruction...
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I was also wondering, do you think there is any connection between the Sword of Light and the Coded Sword? The Coded sword is found in the Throne Room of the Fortified Manor, where find the Two Fingers in the Roundtable hold. It's a weapon made of a "formless cipher" that makes it appear like a blade made out of light, and deals pure holy type damage, while also being entirely immune to bouncing off armor and shields, making it great for dealing with shield users in PvP.
Lorewise, the Ciphers it, the Cipher Pata, and the two cipher multiplayer items bought from the Maiden Husks, are apparently the "language of light" that the Two Fingers speak in. Long ago when the Two Fingers were lively and considered masters of oration, champions would gather at the round table hold, and the Cipher weapons were given out to them. Though since then, the ciphers had been "lost" somehow, possibly suggesting that their language of light was once understood by many people, but was forgotten about leading to a requirement for Finger Maidens to translate their words. It doesn't really match with the themes of marriage, unless maybe my speculation is correct and you count the start of Tarnished each being linked to a Finger Maiden a strange sort of "marriage", but I thought that otherwise it does line up with the concept rather well. A blade made out of light, that is able to bypass blocking, and is connected lorewise to language and communication, so it was what my mind went to when you mentioned the Sword of Light being something you can't run from and would force you to speak the truth.
Additionally, I think there's something else to support your connection of the Erdtree to the Lia Fáil. There is a physical tree at where we see the Erdtree in-game, but there's a number of things suggesting that this isn't the first burning of the Erdtree, and that the giant Golden tree we see in-game is just an illusion, only visible by those who still have Grace.
The golden seeds of the erdtree note that they are often found at the base of an "illusory tree", and that they were scattered during the shattering as though it knew it's time had come, which fans have noted to be extremely similar to how some Trees actually require extreme heat to make their seeds ready to begin growing like Pinecones. We also see all throughout the capital that it's covered in a layer of ash, with many windows covered with plates sealed with wax, reminsenent of the homes in the North American South during the Dust Bowl period. When you examine the Erdtree upclose, near the Morgott arena, you can see a strange separation of colors on it, where there is a much darker and "real" looking wood around the section we can walk up to, while the rest of the tree is an unnaturally bright golden color, rather similar to the golden hue of the Godfrey shade we fought just before.
Various items mention how the Tarnished were exiled from the capital after losing Grace, and a lot of dialog mentions how many tarnished have lost the ability to see grace, which led some fans to speculate that the reason the Tarnished were exiled from the capital might be because, without grace, they literally are unable to see the Erdtree anymore. With how the city is basically built on worship of the Erdtree, having these Tarnished who are a constant reminder that the tree was burned and there's just a stump sitting there now, would have been terrible for the faithful, so they were exiled to prevent them from tarnishing the faith of the population.
It seems to reflect the story of Lia Fáil you mention, where the stone is damaged and stops working, eventually being lost, and when it's rediscovered, it is closely connected to an illusory house and tree where Conn meets Lugh and restores the "faith" in the stone's authority, similar to the Erdtree being ruined and "lost", only for an illusion to reawaken and restore faith in it. Of course it's still fairly different, but I think there are enough similarities already that this connection may not be as coincidental as it otherwise might be.
Wonderful connection of the cauldron to the collection basins used for the sap of the Erdtree! With that being said I understand the irony of connecting the cauldron to the destruction contained within the flame of ruin compared to the stories of the Erdtree’s life giving blessings; albeit both contain eternal sustenance (the maintaining of someone or something in life or existence).
I didn’t know that Flame Grant me Strength was banned due to it not causing harm to the user and therefore enforcing the idea that the flame is dangerous and should be feared. Very interesting!
Another fantastic connection of the Coded Sword as the Sword of Light, that’s wild! The Coded Sword being found in the original room used to house the Two Fingers we find later in the Roundtable Hold shows the sword may relate to the Greater Wil. The ciphers being lost possibly relating to the overall loss of grace felt throughout the Lands Between. I had not thought of the relationship between the tarnished and their finger maidens as a marriage, but it definitely qualifies as a union of souls coming together to achieve a singular goal. Very logical and perfect example!
I always knew that the Erdtree’s golden hue was from the Greater Will’s grace, but I never thought that others without the guidance of grace could not see it as we can. Fantastic additions as always!
@@EldenTales The Fire Monks really are fully of some interesting "masochistic" lore details, for lack of a more fitting term. Most of the items related to them keep bringing up that they are "guardians" of the flame, yet also obsessed with it by virtue of the fear it and the Fell God inspire. Even the Prelate Set, the fat monk armor, and their great hammer mentions how the weight of the gear represents the burden of their guardianship and the responsibility of their grave vows.
There's even a rather horrific, yet somehow also absurd story told through the Prelate helm and the Cranial Vessel Candlestand. The Helm says that it was full of embers that would surge into flames when the wearer's faith reached it's most intense, but the fire has since died out. Considering that the Prelates can still use it for their AOE fire rain attack, I think that implies that since we lack fear of the flame, we can't summon the fire anymore. Then the Candlestand comes along talking about Birac, the most hallowed Fire Monk. Concerned over the "lazy arrogance" the monks treated the flame with, Birac severed his own head and had it made into the Candlestand weapon. As we see ourselves when using it, his helm's faith still burns inside the vessel to this day. A man so absolutely devoted to his duty that even long after death, his head still burns with fire, a bit like the eternal flame of the kiln now that I think of it...
@@Late0NightPC I did not know that about the prelate set, but that’s a very nice detail. You mentioning it made me wonder what a prelate is and it turns out to be a high-ranking member of the Christian clergy who is an officer of a church or civic authority who by reason of office has ordinary power to execute laws. With high-ranking authority comes more responsibility, makes complete sense. Perfect connection to the Candlestand and the flame of ruin burning in the Giant’s Forge! Thank you for sharing the story of Birac and his devotion to his beliefs, that’s very interesting. Next time I play I’ll try using it!
It's also worth noting that the Norse god Odin was armed with a spear that never missed.
You’re absolutely right in Norse mythology Gungnir is Odin’s spear. Interestingly the poem Völuspá, the Æsir-Vanir War is described as officially starting when Odin throws a spear over the heads of an assembly of Vanir gods. Whether or not this was specifically Gungnir is, however, unstated. In Sigrdrífumál, the valkyrie Sigrdrífa advises Sigurd on the magical application of runes. She gives Sigurd advice and shares with him lore, including that runes were carved on the tip of Gungnir. Odin in Norse mythology is associated with wisdom, healing, death, knowledge, war, and the runic alphabet. Fantastic addition!
@@EldenTales I meant to type more, in so much that traditionally and via it's direct inspiration from Berserk, FS games have tended on leaning towards Norse myth archetypes.
But given just how much of a cross pollination there is regarding these myths (with their near eastern origins and spread through the adoption and modification of the Phoenician's written language) it's a fair cop to ascribe them to a multitude of things unless there's fairly direct reference, say with Radagon having red hair and wielding a hammer likely being a Thor reference etc.
Anyways interesting channel, I am looking forward to delving into your other videos and seeing what you have been able to come up with.
All the best!
@@WeWillAlwaysHaveVALIS Thank you so much for watching, I sincerely appreciate that! I'm unsure how much any of the references I mention throughout my videos directly influenced FS with the creation of ER, but I do think that GRRM uses a vast amount of historical events/myths as inspiration for his other works. Until you mentioned it I never knew that Thor was had red hair, this discovery led me down a bit of a rabbit hole. Evidence of Thor's red hair in mythology:
Flóamanna saga: "While Thorgils waited for favourable winds, he dreamt that a big man with red beard came to him (Thor)..."
Eiríks saga rauða: "Þórhallr then came up and spoke: "Didn't Old Redbeard prove to be more help than your Christ? This was my payment for the poem I composed about Thor, my guardian, who's seldom disappointed me."
I suppose Marvel/The Justice Friends altered my perception of Thor's physical appearance. With more research I learned Thor was originally not supposed to be the real Thor. He was supposed to be a human who had been gifted with the “power of Thor”. And that human was blond. Blond hair is a Scandinavian stereotype in the United States.
Marvel actually wanted a portrayal of Thor that was distinct from mythology because if it wasn’t distinct from mythology they couldn’t own it. The mythological Thor is a public domain character. He can’t be copyrighted and he can’t be trademarked. But Marvel’s Thor is distinct from the mythological Thor. Nobody can draw a picture of him and claim that they were just drawing the mythological Thor and not Marvel’s superhero. Also, Jack Kirby had drawn a more traditional Thor for another company. They could conceivably sue if he closely repeated the design he’d used for them.
Again thank you for watching and thank you for your knowledge!
No offense, but these are some really big stretches.
Thank you for taking the time to watch; no offense taken whatsoever! There is another comment here by Combustible Lemons that I enjoyed a lot comparing the Caldron of the Dagda to the basins used to collect the sap/blessings given from the Erdtree, I felt that this was an even better comparison. Otherwise the Lugh's spear (sleg) and Mohgwyn's Sacred Spear was personally my favorite connection. My next video will be on a secret cult centered in Rome, I hope you take the time to check it out!
Your pronunciation is off
Tuah day danon
Very sorry about that, hope I didn’t offend. In the future I will definitely make sure to say that right!
🦷 de danann lmaooo