That sticky ejection would drive me nuts. But I love the idea of a safe and reliable .357 that can be picked up for under $500. Turkey has really been stepping up their manufacturing game in recent years.
Maybe consider trying a newer Taurus at that price point? They've gotten much better as of late, and any customer service is now handled through their Bainbridge, Georgia plant that opened in 2019.
The double action trigger of a revolver really helped me with my trigger pull and grip with a semi-auto. Doing dryfire drills with the trigger, keeping my dominant eye on the front sight and making sure it did not move, made drastic improvements on my accuracy at the range with my semi-auto. Highly recommend getting a revolver.
As an FMF Corpsman, I had to qual with my Marines. Back then, I wasn’t familiar with semi autos and so sucked at shooting the Berretta M9. Gunny handed me a S&W .38 spl and I shot Sharpshooter first try. I have a bunch of autos, but recently picked up Taurus 856 in .38spl….really enjoy shooting it.
...IMO, getting a revolver last year was a REALLY good & fun idea, as I previously only had semi's. There are super fun drills you can do at the range with a revolver that are impossible with a semi, which makes range time more dynamic & entertaining! If you don't yet own a revolver, I strongly recommend getting at least one - for the fun of it (plus noobs like to shoot 'em too).
@@Albrtd3 When I bring my buddies to the range, I have them elevate their heart rate by jogging to the parking lot & back to the firing line (a ~25yrd total distance). ...Then they grab the revolver & shoot as [comfortably] fast as they can at a 7ryd target. What's fun, is that the 6 cylinders have a mix of .38 Special & .357Mag, with 1 empty casing. This is a drill to control flinch response, because I find it's my biggest weakness when I'm under stress, or rushing my shots. That empty casing really gives it away. ...No racking the slide to clear a light primer (like in a semi), it's just "Go-Go-Fun-Mode!"
My grandma has two. A Smith model? And some wierd German brand that I told her please don't shoot, but she keeps it in her car anyway. It has been years since I shot her S&W, but I do recall great accuracy at longer ranges. I have been really considering A .357 revolver and lever gun combo because of the impressive performance of most .357. I don't own a ton of guns, but already have the usual suspects. I may be moving out to some acreage pretty soon, from the house to the front gate is probably a little over 100yards. Yeah, my 9mm can make it that far, but I don't trust myself flinging 9mm at that range. The neighbors are sparse, but do exist. I don't know, especially with the reappearance of black bears in the area, a .357 with a five or six inch barrel just feels like the ticket while working the property.
I love Turkish handguns ! Caniks being my favorite , but Sar for the money makes excellent guns their CZ 75 clone the B6P is a budget gem highly reccomend those ! Basically a polymer CZ , good trigger reliable and van be found in the $250 -300 range
Revolvers really helped me with my flinch. I would load all the rounds except for one and give it a spin. You'll find you flinch real quick and learn to overcome it. A great training tool.
It’s funny how subconscious the flinch is. You’ll shout your first two mags just fine, then all of a sudden you’ve got a violent flinch seemingly out of nowhere and your accuracy tanks. Revolvers really force you to address this, particularly with the double action trigger pull. I’ve by no means defeated that habit, but my time with my revolver really helped me understand what’s happening.
@@Kraakesolv You still have to manually cycle the slide vs just pulling the trigger again, in addition to, keep track of the snap caps. Also, if you're putting the snap caps, you kind of know the pattern. Whereas, spinning the cylinder prior to closing it makes it a bit more random.
Nice review. I would suggest you circle back to check out the Taurus 627 in 357 mag. It is in the same price range as the SAR-38, but it is in stainless, has a ported barrel, is a 7 shot revolver that has excellent timing. Mine shot better than the two S&W 686’s that I’ve owned in the past. It also has a decent trigger pull.
I'm just now getting into revolvers. My first revolver is a Taurus 856 .38 special with a 3" barrel. I really like it and even considering for my everyday carry. That SAR 38 seems like to be a nice addition to my collection if my gun shop has it.
If you are interested in imported revolvers, there are other models: - Alfa Proj from the czech Republic - the high end models from German compagnies like Korth and Spohr - in addition of the mr-73, the french Manurhin also has a more affordable model, the MR-88, close to the Security six And i'm sure that there are other models
Bought an EAA Windicator back in the day for less than 300 bucks. Still looks great and has worked fine for however many hundreds of reloads I put through it. It is possible to get quality at a low price.
The RIA M200 I had was on point. It's timing was perfect there were no wheel lines or anything. Only put 1000 through it before it was sold to fund another gun. I've seen the issues people have had though
I have always had good luck with Taurus revolvers, yes I admit they weren't always top shelf. But I think they have been unfairly pigeonholed to a degree. They certainly have been very consistent over the last decade to the point that gun shops in my area can't keep some models in stock, and are on allocation.
I have only ever owned a number of Taurus tracker revolvers and only had problems with one that gets hard to rotate the cylinder after a few shots. It's an older one and aluminium
Did Taurus make an entire line of revolvers which bound up when shooting .357? Oh, wait, that was thousands upon thousands of "no dash" 586, 686, 681 wheel guns. Requiring endless recall and a whole pile of specialized armorers tools to "fix" Smith's Union hack manufacturing.
Taurus earned their terrible reputation, but they've been digging out of it rather well. The expectation is no longer that you're definitely going to have to return it.
This is probably the most shocking review of his I’ve ever seen. Never thought he would even think twice at a revolver, let alone a “cheap” one. But I guess there’s “cheap” and “inexpensive”. Glad to see there still making some quality revolvers out there that don’t cost as much as college tuition. Great video MAC!
I have a red dot sight on my 986 pro series and I love it. LPA sights with the pick rail section built into them so you get your rail and you iron sights man are they great.
I own a Taurus 38 special w/4" (sure of model) from the 1970s it was a gift from my dad, and it has always performed well. I carried it for several years through the 1980s to mid-1990s it was a great gun, but I did eventually trade out for S&W model 36 snubby made a better ccw because of barrel length. My sun recently bought an EEA 357/38 I think it's a windcater it seams to be a pretty decent revolver for an introductory gun to revolvers its a little on heavy side but definitely think it's a gun truck gun.
I read on Reddit (so take it with a grain of salt) that any gun with rifling is subject to stringent QA standards by law in Turkey. Shotguns being smoothbore are not, hence the quality issues. Again, I’m not certain, I’m just parroting what I heard.
Turkish ammo apparently blows up in Yugoslavian ak's, and they are on the sturdier beefy side of ak's..I honestly wouldn't trust anything coming out of turkey at this point. I'd go with Taurus if I was gonna go on the cheaper end, they may be manufactured in brasil, but atleast they have Americans overseeing the operations there.
@@timezero5949 Canik out of Turkey has some of the best production handguns on the market right now. Blows Taurus out of the fucking water 10 times over, and I have no problems with Taurus.
The S&W 686 and the Ruger GP100 are equal in build quality in my experience. The S&W probably has a better trigger out of the box. However, the GP100 feels overbuilt (like a tank), and there are manufacturers that produce high-power loads that are denoted “Ruger Only.” I choose the GP over the Smith.
SAR is good to go. I have the B6P9C which is basically a poly CZ75 compact. It's really nice for the 299 I paid for it. And RATM needs to change their name to Rage For The Machine. I have tickets for them that they have canceled twice since 2020 and I'm not even going to go when they finally reschedule it after some of the idiocy they have pulled the last few years.
I have several revolvers in my collection and in fact my most common EDC is a S&W 442. I gave each of my granddaughters a 3" Smith Princesses 1&2 ages 15 & 13 each got a Model 10. Then my daughter and son in law surprised me with Princess #3 currently 5 years old, I couldn't find another 3" Model 10 so she got a 3" Pro Series 357 Model 60. Their father got a 3" CS1 a 686 variant. He also got a 638 and a Sig P250 with compact and sup compact frames and slides. I have SA and conventional DA/SA revolers from Colt, Smith, Taurus, Pietta Astra, Ruger, Heritage and Interarms along with some oldies from IJ, HR and High Std. I have a slew of autos as well and my first love is God's sidearm the 1911. There are currently 17 different 1911s in the collection. But for just a lazy day at the range it's hard to beat a revolver specially a SA. They just force you to slow down and smell the gunsmoke. Love your videos please keep them coming. I'm in my 7th decade and have been accumulating guns for at least 6 of them.
They went from "f you i won't do what you tell me" then once covid hit "f you do what they tell you". Kinda upset that I bought all their albums years ago. The message still applies to the democratic party though because the lyrics really were written from the heart, it just sucks the people who wrote them are sell outs of the highest most egregious order.
I bought a used Ruger SP101 a few years ago at a local gun shop for $425 and I use it as my 38/357 reload mule. Warm 357’s don’t feel so good on the palm with the factory grip but the gun is solid so
I would spec the cylinder release and Dremel it/shave it down as needed for clearance if applicable. No way on the consistent shell stoppage. But certainly not afraid to fix it. Then I'd re-blue or paint the part after shaving it down.
I raised myself on double-action revolvers and still love them! Did you open the sideplate? I suspect that you will find the innards bone-dry of lubrication! This is so that there is no oil leakage in the package while shipped and stored before sale. Add some clingy oil (NOT WD-40!) at contact points and be amazed at the improved slickness in the action...........................elsullo
I went to smith and wesson after taurus really boned me on a brand new one i bought. 10 shots through it felt like there was sand in the extractor when u spun it by hand broke it dowm to give it a good cleaning. The extractor rod stripped coming apart. 10 months later numerous phone calls to them and not even being looked at they finally send me a new revolver. On top if them telling me i still have to pay to get it transfered back into my name AGAIN. So 350 dollar revolver brand new shot 10 rounds through it and it was in taurus posession for the time of owning the firearm. Like my dad told me spend the couple extra bucks and buy quality. I will never buy taurus again and anyone who asks me how i feel about them ill tell them they are junk. Period.
It's always nice to see more wheelgun offerings in the US. These aren't bad, though I do prefer the looks and balance of a partial underlug over a full underlug, and I can't say I'm a fan of the grips or the cylinder release blocking clear ejection from the cylinder. But no internal lock is a big plus, and forged parts are nice to have! For what it's worth, I've also been pleasantly surprised with the Taurus 856 Executive model I picked up a few months ago - and that's coming from a pre-lock S&W and Ruger purist. Here's hoping RIA imports more of the Alfa Proj revolvers they've started to bring over - they're supposed to be pretty decent quality.
I actually own this revolver in 4 ''. I did a trigger job on it by shooting thousends of round through it. It's fuckin smooth! I learned shooting revolvers with a S&W 22 lr with a far havier trigger pull, I payed a shit load of money for the Smith as a training tool for the cheap gun and I don't regret the beauty Smith neighter. Both made me a better shooter over all. I load hot loads near to 44 mag. The revolver has such a low and mild recoil and it holds up to the abuse since many years. If I don't have to carry a semi auto I carry this gun in a apendix holster I made for this gun and my body. I can rapid fire it like my striker fired 9 mm, but why. It hits steal like my 12 gauge shot gun. I feel save with this gun and I love it. It made me a revolver guy, it's so spot on there is no ratteling, the barrel is not moving. On long range there will be enough foot pound left with my narc loads. I question my self if 9 mm spray in a crowded situation is really the answer to all tasks. But most of the time I am on 12+1 and 21+21 mags. Gracias desde Sudamérica
Thanks for reviewing a Revolver. I want one, but my SSDI doesn't exactly make a good revolver easy to budget for. I really want a S&W 686 7 shot with a 3 inch barrel, but who knows if I will ever be able to spend that much. So maybe a SAR revolver might be a more budget friendly option to consider if I can't buy the Smith. Great video, thank you! 😎👍
Bought one several years ago new and had the firing mechanism bind up and jam after three shots of .38. Had to ship the gun back to get repaired as internals got so messed up, that you couldn't cock the hammer at all. Also, for anyone looking at buying this, the manual specifically states not to dry-fire the gun. Based on my experience, you should follow that advise. I can almost guarantee the issues I had were caused by people dry-firing the gun repeatedly while it was on the shop floor.
I have had two taurus revolvers in .357. No issues except with the blazer aluminum shells. It’s a really fun round too, and doesn’t recoil that bad with the 6” barrel.
Another sub $500 that should be considered if you want to carry a revolver is the charter arms pro V and the variations. 6 shot, 25 Oz, .357, made In usa and lifetime warranty. I did have to use my warranty on mine, and I had light hammer strikes, but a trip back for service and an extra power hammer spring and it's reliable. Did also add some loctite to some screws. But at half the cost of anything else in the same chamber, capacity and weight, it's something that should be considered if you are looking to carry a. 357 magnum on the belt concealed.
The new incarnation of the Taurus 856 seems to be wildly popular. My early 2000s Taurus 85 (still made in Brazil) has been an amazing carry and range piece!
I like having a side plate to frame fit so tight the joint is barely visible. I like bright blue, or at worst, brushed or bead blasted stainless finishes. I like all my empties to fall out of the cylinder when I push the ejector rod. I'll stick with the Colt, the Smiths, and the Rugers I already have, thanks. Hell, even Charter Arms and Taurus products will eject properly.
Wow, I honestly thought you were shooting .38specials. That is a good answer for people who want into the revolver game on the less expensive side. Great video Tim.
If I wanted a revolver for carry or home defense, the ejection hang-up would be a deal breaker. If it gets in the way of cases coming out, then if you use speed-loaders, it would get in the way of reloads.
What's your opinion on the Taurus Tracker 627? It's in a similar category as these SAR revolvers except it has a more experienced importing company. Minor fitment issues but they seem very functional and the triggers are better than what you described so far.
@@ghostwolf4354 did you ever notice the small issues with the double action smoothness on certain cylinders? Five out of the seven cylinders are smooth and easy to break but two of them require more force to break the shot and cause inaccuracy. If you know what I can do to get that addressed in regards to what part (s) I would be grateful!
Is it safe to say the a good portion of these Turkish made handguns are economical and well worth the $$? I just bought a Tisas 1911 for $319, and for as much as I will use it find it to be an incredible value!
The cheap shotguns they have been pouring into the US aren't worth your time. Canik has earned a pretty good reputation, while having a great trigger to boot. This is the first Turkish revolver I have seen
@@jonslemp5733 I know James Reeves at TFB made their semi auto 12ga crap the bed in under 500 shells. Nephew bought one of these Turkish shotguns and was having troubles before getting out to my place to shoot it for the first time. I'll just stay with the Mossberg Maverick 88 for my inexpensive shotgun needs. Glad you are having good luck with yours though 👍
I’m buying one! I’ve been looking for a 44 mag for a while. 1100-1500 dollars for even a Taurus. I can’t pull the trigger on it .. thanks for the video buddy.
I liked Taurus revolvers never bought a bad one. My taurus 2 inch barrel out shot my GP-100. Do they make it in 9mm, 10mm, 44magnum or other calibers. Do they have experience in gun making? Why not show the accuracy on paper? Here 357 magnum is $80.00 a box?
Great review. I own several Taurus pistols. I believe there QC is better than say the 80s and so forth. I've read that they use the actual machinery as say Beretta, on the F 92/ M9 versus the Pt 92/99... Anywho, that looks like a good revolver, the SAR....
This is a great video. Now I know what to look for before buying a cheap reolver. I like the look of a Taurus 605 4inch. I hope you can do a before you buy video on it.
First carry gun I bought at 21 was a 3" GP 100. Bought it used, but in excellent condition for @ $300 if I remember correctly. I still have it and even still carry it occasionally almost 30 years later now. Things a tank and will probably go to my kids someday.
That cylinder gap produced a LOT of fire. I wonder how it compares to S&W, Ruger, Colt, Taurus, etc.? I can remember getting hit by shavings from the shooters next to me when shooting wadcutters...they may have been suffering the same. A great reason to wear eye protection when shooting on an open line.
It could be an issue with the cylinder gap, but it could also just be the ammo. Some rounds will produce a pretty big flash out the gap and the barrel every round, but cameras won't always pick it up every time.
I wish I knew Tim’s tests for function of a revolver 20 years ago before I purchased the Taurus Tracker .44Mag. It would have failed one of the tests in the gun store. IIRC, the cylinder could be advanced by one chamber with the hammer cocked. Anyway, I learned NEVER to buy a Taurus revolver for serious use. A fun albeit sometimes annoying range gun, maybe.
I am and will always be a sucker for revolvers with a full underlug. The Colt Anaconda/Python, my S&W 629 .44mag, this SAR 38, and other that design just look intrinsically bigger and more aggressive. Yeah it's extra weight, but looking good is *obviously* the most important thing
Gravity is your friend. When you eject you should have the back of the cylinder pointing directly downward. That way even if a round hits the cylinder release latch, the shells will fall to the ground vs laying and getting stuck on the frame. Good vid. Note: I have found shooting a lot of DA revolver makes my pistol shooting better. I've gone back to often carrying revolvers. With revolvers I use a NY reload. Having an inexpensive reliable revolver makes me feel less guilt about throwing one to the ground like I would with my 686, Python, a Model 19, a Detective Special, a Chiefs Special, etc.
@@user-iq6yj4ep8i The 856 is my go to. I carry a 3 inch for my primary and a 2 inch UltraLite for my 'reload'. Snubbies are a bit too small for 357. I would look at the gun from this video or the Taurus Model 65 or 66 for 357. I match a large frame revolver with a lever action of the same caliber when I hunt or camp.
Yup, my go to reload is to control the revolver and cylinder with my left hand, muzzle to sky, open my right hand, smack ejector, grab loader with right hand while pointing revolver down with left hand and load. It's a bit like the ayoob reload but I keep the revolver in my left hand and twist it a bit as I come down to eject so I can ride the barrel down with my right hand. WIth ayoob the right hand is in control of the revolver during ejection and then gets trasfered to the left hand for the reload. I'm not crazy about switching hands.
@@forrest225 I picked up a Charter Arms Southpaw just to see how it would reload. Having the cylinder swing out the the right, holding it in your left hand, makes it so much easier and faster to reload rounds using your right hand, only transition once and not have to contort your wrist.
I have a cheaper 357 that I trust my life to on occasion.. charter arms makes some nicer then you’d think very reliable revolvers.. the only knock I’ll give them is if you play around with the cylinder when closed you can throw the timing out a little.. however simply opening and closing it fixes this instantly.. I’m not a revolver nut but I’ve owned two magpugs over the years and it’s still my go to backwoods gun to this day.. never had a single issue and the trigger although not high end is a lot smoother and more serviceable then one would think given the price tag.. Typical forged into the top rear sights but they like everything else on the gun are very serviceable lol.. keep repeating myself and I don’t hold charter arms in high regard for most guns they import and sell.. but I’ll take this one over a ruger any day.. not heavy but light but for a 357 1.75” it doesn’t beat the hell out of you.. my daughters been shooting it since she was 10 with full power loads.. It’s no smith but it’s not far off either in function..
My son's a big strong guy with huge hands! Semiautomatics like the Glock 19 are too small for his hands. He LOVES firing the large 357 magnums! I might just pickup one of these for him! Cool!
Pleasent joyrney i have to say. You can literally push this gun to bog and i will work and shoot well. Now at 43 year old oldie i feel this pistol should get a medal.
I wish rock island would make their m200 in .357 or even .45 as one that size, my gal could carry easily out on the land or hiking. I could use it as my charger gun, as I don't own a truck, I own a 69 charger which I drive daily. I love 6 inch revolvers though and this one seems a right peach for the money.
Although I like my Ruger 10mm Match Champion, Redhawk 45 Colt, and Blackhawk .357 mag/9mm, and taurus defender 3", This one does look decent for the price. I do not, however, like the idea of the brass getting hung up on the cylinder release. Never have that problem with a Ruger. Also, in extreme recoil, that slide style of release can let the cylinder unlock, but then again, you can't shoot the same high power ammo in one of these as you can a Ruger.
Been a huge fan of the channel since it began and look forward to new content each week. Out of nowhere you reference RATM. Did we just become best friends? Love the channel and I also share your love of the Machine.
The SR38 has been selling like hot cakes and the matte steel version is $600-650 and the stainless version is $800-850. I have the 4in version of this revolver from when it was less than $500 when it was imported by TR Imports. It’s a solid gun; is it a Ruger or S&W, not quite. If you really enjoy and believe in the gun then great but if your trying to save by getting a S&W clone then the prices are too close to justify not spending an additional $150-200 to get a Smith & Wesson.
Over this SAR I would get a GP100 or Ruger LCR for the money, that's just my pesonal opinion though. The GP100 is one of the best bang for the buck revolvers on the market, not because it's cheap, but because it punches above its weight class IMHO (I still prefer my S&W though).
Yeah they’re ridiculous. You used to be able to pick up a Smith .38 Airweight for $300, now they’re north of $500? GTFO! Lol not even close to worth it.
0:20 "have you ever been on your computer, sipping coffee looking for a $450 revolver? Yeah me neither." Me, in my underwear sipping on coffee doing exactly that
That sticky ejection would drive me nuts. But I love the idea of a safe and reliable .357 that can be picked up for under $500. Turkey has really been stepping up their manufacturing game in recent years.
Too bad they didn't do the same with their shotguns which have an extremely high failure rate.
Who cares about them sponsoring terrorism if the gun is cheap enough, right?
Maybe consider trying a newer Taurus at that price point? They've gotten much better as of late, and any customer service is now handled through their Bainbridge, Georgia plant that opened in 2019.
It is not unheard of to have to (or want to) polish the cylinder chambers of higher end revolvers, too
This gun looks cool, but look at how much fire escapes, it's like buy a worn out revolver lol
The double action trigger of a revolver really helped me with my trigger pull and grip with a semi-auto. Doing dryfire drills with the trigger, keeping my dominant eye on the front sight and making sure it did not move, made drastic improvements on my accuracy at the range with my semi-auto. Highly recommend getting a revolver.
ive heard this before, get a 22lr revolver with heavy da pull and it will increase your accuracy with any handgun
As an FMF Corpsman, I had to qual with my Marines. Back then, I wasn’t familiar with semi autos and so sucked at shooting the Berretta M9. Gunny handed me a S&W .38 spl and I shot Sharpshooter first try. I have a bunch of autos, but recently picked up Taurus 856 in .38spl….really enjoy shooting it.
...IMO, getting a revolver last year was a REALLY good & fun idea, as I previously only had semi's. There are super fun drills you can do at the range with a revolver that are impossible with a semi, which makes range time more dynamic & entertaining! If you don't yet own a revolver, I strongly recommend getting at least one - for the fun of it (plus noobs like to shoot 'em too).
What drills?
@@Albrtd3 When I bring my buddies to the range, I have them elevate their heart rate by jogging to the parking lot & back to the firing line (a ~25yrd total distance). ...Then they grab the revolver & shoot as [comfortably] fast as they can at a 7ryd target.
What's fun, is that the 6 cylinders have a mix of .38 Special & .357Mag, with 1 empty casing. This is a drill to control flinch response, because I find it's my biggest weakness when I'm under stress, or rushing my shots. That empty casing really gives it away. ...No racking the slide to clear a light primer (like in a semi), it's just "Go-Go-Fun-Mode!"
@Eric Bergfield good drill buddy. I like that. You could do similar with 9mm+p+ regular and a snap cap. But good stuff
Everyone should have at least one used S&W K-frame (Model 10, Model 64) in their collection IMO. They're the perfect starter revolvers.
My grandma has two. A Smith model? And some wierd German brand that I told her please don't shoot, but she keeps it in her car anyway.
It has been years since I shot her S&W, but I do recall great accuracy at longer ranges.
I have been really considering A .357 revolver and lever gun combo because of the impressive performance of most .357.
I don't own a ton of guns, but already have the usual suspects. I may be moving out to some acreage pretty soon, from the house to the front gate is probably a little over 100yards. Yeah, my 9mm can make it that far, but I don't trust myself flinging 9mm at that range. The neighbors are sparse, but do exist.
I don't know, especially with the reappearance of black bears in the area, a .357 with a five or six inch barrel just feels like the ticket while working the property.
I bought a sarsilmaz k12 sport 9 mm and I was astounded at the fit and finish and reliability of it so I’m not surprised this is every bit as nice
I love Turkish handguns ! Caniks being my favorite , but Sar for the money makes excellent guns their CZ 75 clone the B6P is a budget gem highly reccomend those ! Basically a polymer CZ , good trigger reliable and van be found in the $250 -300 range
Revolvers really helped me with my flinch. I would load all the rounds except for one and give it a spin. You'll find you flinch real quick and learn to overcome it. A great training tool.
Revolvers also help with trigger control and finger strength. Besides flinch and anticipation, revolvers helped my pistol accuracy as well.
It’s funny how subconscious the flinch is. You’ll shout your first two mags just fine, then all of a sudden you’ve got a violent flinch seemingly out of nowhere and your accuracy tanks. Revolvers really force you to address this, particularly with the double action trigger pull. I’ve by no means defeated that habit, but my time with my revolver really helped me understand what’s happening.
…perhaps I ‘need’ a revolver then
I find mixing 4-5 snap caps in a 17 round mag works far better but your mileage may vary!
@@Kraakesolv You still have to manually cycle the slide vs just pulling the trigger again, in addition to, keep track of the snap caps. Also, if you're putting the snap caps, you kind of know the pattern. Whereas, spinning the cylinder prior to closing it makes it a bit more random.
I've had good luck with Rossi revolvers and paid half of this one. I got a .357 M971 for $250¡ Great little pistol.
The S&W 586 spent casings completely clear the cylinder release for anybody wondering, SAR seems to have lowered the cylinder release on their copy.
I’ve been a revolver guy since 1982, all S&W’s. Recently I bought a RIA AL 3.1 imported from Czech Rep. It’s been a great carry .357!
Nice review. I would suggest you circle back to check out the Taurus 627 in 357 mag. It is in the same price range as the SAR-38, but it is in stainless, has a ported barrel, is a 7 shot revolver that has excellent timing. Mine shot better than the two S&W 686’s that I’ve owned in the past. It also has a decent trigger pull.
Correct. BUT. I had internal spring failure. It common on Taurus revolvers. Sold it.
I'm just now getting into revolvers. My first revolver is a Taurus 856 .38 special with a 3" barrel. I really like it and even considering for my everyday carry. That SAR 38 seems like to be a nice addition to my collection if my gun shop has it.
I have the Taurus Defender. It is surprisingly accurate with full wadcutters.
Order it online and have it shipped to your local store
They are nice if you reload. Very easy to find your brass. :)
I have a Taurus 44 mag and it's quite nice for the money. Very accurate and nice trigger. Solid lockup.
I've got a couple Taurus model 65's one made in the late 70's and a newer production one, they shoot every bit as good as my 686 smith.
If you are interested in imported revolvers, there are other models:
- Alfa Proj from the czech Republic
- the high end models from German compagnies like Korth and Spohr
- in addition of the mr-73, the french Manurhin also has a more affordable model, the MR-88, close to the Security six
And i'm sure that there are other models
Not high end by any means but another solid option is the Windicator from Germany.
Weirauch - Arminius? Yes.
For this price point I highly recommend the EAA Windicator. Great truck gun/beater gun, made in Germany, haven't had any problems out of mine.
Bought an EAA Windicator back in the day for less than 300 bucks.
Still looks great and has worked fine for however many hundreds of reloads I put through it.
It is possible to get quality at a low price.
The RIA M200 I had was on point. It's timing was perfect there were no wheel lines or anything. Only put 1000 through it before it was sold to fund another gun. I've seen the issues people have had though
I have always had good luck with Taurus revolvers, yes I admit they weren't always top shelf. But I think they have been unfairly pigeonholed to a degree. They certainly have been very consistent over the last decade to the point that gun shops in my area can't keep some models in stock, and are on allocation.
I have only ever owned a number of Taurus tracker revolvers and only had problems with one that gets hard to rotate the cylinder after a few shots. It's an older one and aluminium
Smith would've never made something as elementary and brilliant as the Raging Hunter.
Did Taurus make an entire line of revolvers which bound up when shooting .357? Oh, wait, that was thousands upon thousands of "no dash" 586, 686, 681 wheel guns. Requiring endless recall and a whole pile of specialized armorers tools to "fix" Smith's Union hack manufacturing.
Taurus earned their terrible reputation, but they've been digging out of it rather well. The expectation is no longer that you're definitely going to have to return it.
Taurus 85 for more than 30 years, does nothing but run...
This is probably the most shocking review of his I’ve ever seen. Never thought he would even think twice at a revolver, let alone a “cheap” one. But I guess there’s “cheap” and “inexpensive”. Glad to see there still making some quality revolvers out there that don’t cost as much as college tuition.
Great video MAC!
Thanks
I have a red dot sight on my 986 pro series and I love it. LPA sights with the pick rail section built into them so you get your rail and you iron sights man are they great.
It's funny that I bought a Ruger GP100 357 mag 6in barrel for that price about 9 years ago. Now they are over a grand.
You can get them for 700 still
Great video Tim. Huge fan of revolvers. Just something about them. Especially snub nose ones.
I own a Taurus 38 special w/4" (sure of model) from the 1970s it was a gift from my dad, and it has always performed well. I carried it for several years through the 1980s to mid-1990s it was a great gun, but I did eventually trade out for S&W model 36 snubby made a better ccw because of barrel length. My sun recently bought an EEA 357/38 I think it's a windcater it seams to be a pretty decent revolver for an introductory gun to revolvers its a little on heavy side but definitely think it's a gun truck gun.
Turkish handguns, yes.
Turkish shotguns, no.
Turkish revolvers, maybe?
Plastic butterfly knives, hell yea
I read on Reddit (so take it with a grain of salt) that any gun with rifling is subject to stringent QA standards by law in Turkey. Shotguns being smoothbore are not, hence the quality issues. Again, I’m not certain, I’m just parroting what I heard.
Turkish ammo apparently blows up in Yugoslavian ak's, and they are on the sturdier beefy side of ak's..I honestly wouldn't trust anything coming out of turkey at this point. I'd go with Taurus if I was gonna go on the cheaper end, they may be manufactured in brasil, but atleast they have Americans overseeing the operations there.
Turkish women? Haven't had one 😢
@@timezero5949 Canik out of Turkey has some of the best production handguns on the market right now. Blows Taurus out of the fucking water 10 times over, and I have no problems with Taurus.
A .357 revolver is on my bucket list. But it's a low priority. And honestly, I'd rather go with something like a GP100.
Or 686 s&w
Cannot go wrong with the Smith's or Ruger's 357s.
The S&W 686 and the Ruger GP100 are equal in build quality in my experience. The S&W probably has a better trigger out of the box. However, the GP100 feels overbuilt (like a tank), and there are manufacturers that produce high-power loads that are denoted “Ruger Only.” I choose the GP over the Smith.
Huge fan of the Ruger GP-100s. Hard to find now but the older Security/Speed/Service - 6 revolvers were also great.
I love the large 357 frame on the 686/GP, but if I'm going Ruger, I'm getting a redhawk. Those will eat anything
SAR is good to go. I have the B6P9C which is basically a poly CZ75 compact. It's really nice for the 299 I paid for it.
And RATM needs to change their name to Rage For The Machine. I have tickets for them that they have canceled twice since 2020 and I'm not even going to go when they finally reschedule it after some of the idiocy they have pulled the last few years.
look at what crazy gun prices have done. Before the cuff I got a very similar looking ruger gp100 for way less than $500.
I have several revolvers in my collection and in fact my most common EDC is a S&W 442. I gave each of my granddaughters a 3" Smith Princesses 1&2 ages 15 & 13 each got a Model 10. Then my daughter and son in law surprised me with Princess #3 currently 5 years old, I couldn't find another 3" Model 10 so she got a 3" Pro Series 357 Model 60. Their father got a 3" CS1 a 686 variant. He also got a 638 and a Sig P250 with compact and sup compact frames and slides. I have SA and conventional DA/SA revolers from Colt, Smith, Taurus, Pietta Astra, Ruger, Heritage and Interarms along with some oldies from IJ, HR and High Std. I have a slew of autos as well and my first love is God's sidearm the 1911. There are currently 17 different 1911s in the collection. But for just a lazy day at the range it's hard to beat a revolver specially a SA. They just force you to slow down and smell the gunsmoke. Love your videos please keep them coming. I'm in my 7th decade and have been accumulating guns for at least 6 of them.
My favorite Communist band 🤣 Raging for the machine.
Raging because the machine told me to 😂
Raging on behalf of the machine
F*** you, you better do what they tell you
They went from "f you i won't do what you tell me" then once covid hit "f you do what they tell you". Kinda upset that I bought all their albums years ago. The message still applies to the democratic party though because the lyrics really were written from the heart, it just sucks the people who wrote them are sell outs of the highest most egregious order.
Rage Against the Machine are a bunch of liberal turds though 🤡🤣
@@alastor8091 they praised Shining Path in the 90s. I’m an anarcho-communist and I disavow those freaks. You weren’t paying attention.
I bought a used Ruger SP101 a few years ago at a local gun shop for $425 and I use it as my 38/357 reload mule. Warm 357’s don’t feel so good on the palm with the factory grip but the gun is solid so
The factory grip is pretty good for concealed carry, but I switched it for the Hogue it’s much more comfortable.
Impressed with workmanship on
The sars, being a machinist for 48yrs
I would spec the cylinder release and Dremel it/shave it down as needed for clearance if applicable. No way on the consistent shell stoppage. But certainly not afraid to fix it. Then I'd re-blue or paint the part after shaving it down.
I still have questions. Does it take Glock moon clips? Does it fire from the hip 1880's style?
I carry Sar 38 for over 2 years, in hunt, in town, everywhere I go,so far for that money its so good. Greetings from Bosnia
I raised myself on double-action revolvers and still love them! Did you open the sideplate? I suspect that you will find the innards bone-dry of lubrication! This is so that there is no oil leakage in the package while shipped and stored before sale. Add some clingy oil (NOT WD-40!) at contact points and be amazed at the improved slickness in the action...........................elsullo
I've always been under the impression for revolvers stick with Smith and Wesson or Ruger.
Korth, Dan Wesson, Colt, Chiappa are good options too.
I went to smith and wesson after taurus really boned me on a brand new one i bought. 10 shots through it felt like there was sand in the extractor when u spun it by hand broke it dowm to give it a good cleaning. The extractor rod stripped coming apart. 10 months later numerous phone calls to them and not even being looked at they finally send me a new revolver. On top if them telling me i still have to pay to get it transfered back into my name AGAIN. So 350 dollar revolver brand new shot 10 rounds through it and it was in taurus posession for the time of owning the firearm. Like my dad told me spend the couple extra bucks and buy quality. I will never buy taurus again and anyone who asks me how i feel about them ill tell them they are junk. Period.
Yes, I agree but sometimes people can't afford a brand new S&W or Ruger.
My pa has a Rossi .38 special which is a cheaper decent made revolver
@@HoboBob Korth is an option for Elon or Warren, not for anyone watching this channel.
It's always nice to see more wheelgun offerings in the US. These aren't bad, though I do prefer the looks and balance of a partial underlug over a full underlug, and I can't say I'm a fan of the grips or the cylinder release blocking clear ejection from the cylinder. But no internal lock is a big plus, and forged parts are nice to have! For what it's worth, I've also been pleasantly surprised with the Taurus 856 Executive model I picked up a few months ago - and that's coming from a pre-lock S&W and Ruger purist.
Here's hoping RIA imports more of the Alfa Proj revolvers they've started to bring over - they're supposed to be pretty decent quality.
I actually own this revolver in 4 ''. I did a trigger job on it by shooting thousends of round through it. It's fuckin smooth!
I learned shooting revolvers with a S&W 22 lr with a far havier trigger pull, I payed a shit load of money for the Smith as a training tool for the cheap gun and I don't regret the beauty Smith neighter. Both made me a better shooter over all.
I load hot loads near to 44 mag. The revolver has such a low and mild recoil and it holds up to the abuse since many years.
If I don't have to carry a semi auto I carry this gun in a apendix holster I made for this gun and my body.
I can rapid fire it like my striker fired 9 mm, but why.
It hits steal like my 12 gauge shot gun.
I feel save with this gun and I love it.
It made me a revolver guy, it's so spot on there is no ratteling, the barrel is not moving. On long range there will be enough foot pound left with my narc loads.
I question my self if 9 mm spray in a crowded situation is really the answer to all tasks. But most of the time I am on 12+1 and 21+21 mags.
Gracias desde Sudamérica
Thanks for reviewing a Revolver. I want one, but my SSDI doesn't exactly make a good revolver easy to budget for.
I really want a S&W 686 7 shot with a 3 inch barrel, but who knows if I will ever be able to spend that much. So maybe a SAR revolver might be a more budget friendly option to consider if I can't buy the Smith.
Great video, thank you! 😎👍
Bought one several years ago new and had the firing mechanism bind up and jam after three shots of .38. Had to ship the gun back to get repaired as internals got so messed up, that you couldn't cock the hammer at all. Also, for anyone looking at buying this, the manual specifically states not to dry-fire the gun. Based on my experience, you should follow that advise. I can almost guarantee the issues I had were caused by people dry-firing the gun repeatedly while it was on the shop floor.
I have had two taurus revolvers in .357. No issues except with the blazer aluminum shells. It’s a really fun round too, and doesn’t recoil that bad with the 6” barrel.
Another sub $500 that should be considered if you want to carry a revolver is the charter arms pro V and the variations. 6 shot, 25 Oz, .357, made In usa and lifetime warranty. I did have to use my warranty on mine, and I had light hammer strikes, but a trip back for service and an extra power hammer spring and it's reliable. Did also add some loctite to some screws. But at half the cost of anything else in the same chamber, capacity and weight, it's something that should be considered if you are looking to carry a. 357 magnum on the belt concealed.
Great video, very concise and informative. Coincidently, I handled a Smith and Wesson 686 6" 357/38 in my RPAL class for the final practical test.
The new incarnation of the Taurus 856 seems to be wildly popular. My early 2000s Taurus 85 (still made in Brazil) has been an amazing carry and range piece!
Yeah remember your old videos you did a lot reloading stuff, Time flies when you having fun
My sub $500 357 is a Charter Arms Professional V. Nice American made gun. Shoots very well.
The EAA Windicator is the best inexpensive .357 Magnum revolver. It's made on the old Sauer Revolver tooling.
There is something so enjoyable about going out with a 38 and just shooting, emptying, reloading and repeating over and over again.
I paid $550 otd for my Taurus 692. Runs flawlessly. Shoots 9mm and 357/38
How is the accuracy of the 9mm? Or do you reload larger bullets?
I like having a side plate to frame fit so tight the joint is barely visible. I like bright blue, or at worst, brushed or bead blasted stainless finishes. I like all my empties to fall out of the cylinder when I push the ejector rod. I'll stick with the Colt, the Smiths, and the Rugers I already have, thanks. Hell, even Charter Arms and Taurus products will eject properly.
Wow, I honestly thought you were shooting .38specials. That is a good answer for people who want into the revolver game on the less expensive side. Great video Tim.
Love shooting Smith K frames. Still have a 6" M19-5
I picked up a Taurus 692 9mm/38/357 revolver recently
If I wanted a revolver for carry or home defense, the ejection hang-up would be a deal breaker. If it gets in the way of cases coming out, then if you use speed-loaders, it would get in the way of reloads.
What's your opinion on the Taurus Tracker 627? It's in a similar category as these SAR revolvers except it has a more experienced importing company. Minor fitment issues but they seem very functional and the triggers are better than what you described so far.
Had mine for several years, and never had any issues with it at all. Very accurate, and very enjoyable to shoot even with full power .357 Magnum loads
@@ghostwolf4354 did you ever notice the small issues with the double action smoothness on certain cylinders? Five out of the seven cylinders are smooth and easy to break but two of them require more force to break the shot and cause inaccuracy. If you know what I can do to get that addressed in regards to what part (s) I would be grateful!
Glad to see your videos on Rumble and uncensored.
Surprised more people don’t watch there, with RUclips being anti firearms.
Thanks for the word/ review. I am convinced. Are quick loads available? Just curious….
A lot of flame out of the cylinder gap, much more than I am used to with S&W.
Thought the same
I thought so, too.
I thought that was excessive as well. As part of his reliability check he should have noted any gap there.
Is it safe to say the a good portion of these Turkish made handguns are economical and well worth the $$? I just bought a Tisas 1911 for $319, and for as much as I will use it find it to be an incredible value!
The cheap shotguns they have been pouring into the US aren't worth your time. Canik has earned a pretty good reputation, while having a great trigger to boot. This is the first Turkish revolver I have seen
@@mot0rhe4d40 the black aces bullpup shotguns are really good especially the pump action model
@@jonslemp5733 I know James Reeves at TFB made their semi auto 12ga crap the bed in under 500 shells. Nephew bought one of these Turkish shotguns and was having troubles before getting out to my place to shoot it for the first time.
I'll just stay with the Mossberg Maverick 88 for my inexpensive shotgun needs. Glad you are having good luck with yours though 👍
@jon slemp i agree with you dude ive had no failures with my Black Aces FD12 .300 rounds in all high brass.
@@mot0rhe4d40 yeah I saw that video that's why I went with the pump I have 250 rounds through so far so we will see
Whats the 25 yard accuracy like off sandbags? Unless its 3 inches or below I don’t want it.
I'm considering a Ruger GP 100, but I've heard the triggers are quite heavy.
What say you?
I’m buying one! I’ve been looking for a 44 mag for a while. 1100-1500 dollars for even a Taurus. I can’t pull the trigger on it .. thanks for the video buddy.
I liked Taurus revolvers never bought a bad one.
My taurus 2 inch barrel out shot my GP-100.
Do they make it in 9mm, 10mm, 44magnum or other calibers.
Do they have experience in gun making?
Why not show the accuracy on paper?
Here 357 magnum is $80.00 a box?
Great review. I own several Taurus pistols. I believe there QC is better than say the 80s and so forth. I've read that they use the actual machinery as say Beretta, on the F 92/ M9 versus the Pt 92/99... Anywho, that looks like a good revolver, the SAR....
This is a great video. Now I know what to look for before buying a cheap reolver. I like the look of a Taurus 605 4inch. I hope you can do a before you buy video on it.
That ejection shell issue is a major issue for me. It does not happen on my Taurus model 65 or my S&W model 686.
SAR makes excellent guns. Love my SAR 9 it is my favorite Semi.
I have a SAR9 and with a few mods it’s amazing
If the gun is dimensionally similar to the 586 an L frame speedloader should work just fine.
I just turned 21on Monday. Bought my first handgun Tuesday. Got a Sar 9. Love it
How about a little bench time, on paper to show the inherent accuracy of the revolver? Plus done with a variety, from wadcutters, to magnums.
Canik Rival has taken over as my favorite, fastest and most accurate polymer hand gun
Remember when you could find a GP100 for 375-450? 😒
Hopefully this SAR or the new Rossi revolvers will fill the gap.
First carry gun I bought at 21 was a 3" GP 100. Bought it used, but in excellent condition for @ $300 if I remember correctly. I still have it and even still carry it occasionally almost 30 years later now. Things a tank and will probably go to my kids someday.
Good video, Tim
That cylinder gap produced a LOT of fire. I wonder how it compares to S&W, Ruger, Colt, Taurus, etc.? I can remember getting hit by shavings from the shooters next to me when shooting wadcutters...they may have been suffering the same. A great reason to wear eye protection when shooting on an open line.
It could be an issue with the cylinder gap, but it could also just be the ammo. Some rounds will produce a pretty big flash out the gap and the barrel every round, but cameras won't always pick it up every time.
Yeah a small pic rail on top with a nice pistol scope, this would make an awesome little close range pig or deer hunting rig with some full load 357s.
OK, I'm intrigued, especially with the S&Ws prices these days.
I wish I knew Tim’s tests for function of a revolver 20 years ago before I purchased the Taurus Tracker .44Mag. It would have failed one of the tests in the gun store. IIRC, the cylinder could be advanced by one chamber with the hammer cocked. Anyway, I learned NEVER to buy a Taurus revolver for serious use. A fun albeit sometimes annoying range gun, maybe.
I am and will always be a sucker for revolvers with a full underlug. The Colt Anaconda/Python, my S&W 629 .44mag, this SAR 38, and other that design just look intrinsically bigger and more aggressive. Yeah it's extra weight, but looking good is *obviously* the most important thing
Gravity is your friend. When you eject you should have the back of the cylinder pointing directly downward. That way even if a round hits the cylinder release latch, the shells will fall to the ground vs laying and getting stuck on the frame.
Good vid.
Note: I have found shooting a lot of DA revolver makes my pistol shooting better.
I've gone back to often carrying revolvers. With revolvers I use a NY reload. Having an inexpensive reliable revolver makes me feel less guilt about throwing one to the ground like I would with my 686, Python, a Model 19, a Detective Special, a Chiefs Special, etc.
Taurus 856 snubby is a good cheap beater. I regret having to get rid of mine, but I am looking for the 605 or even this wonderful magnum.
@@user-iq6yj4ep8i The 856 is my go to. I carry a 3 inch for my primary and a 2 inch UltraLite for my 'reload'. Snubbies are a bit too small for 357. I would look at the gun from this video or the Taurus Model 65 or 66 for 357. I match a large frame revolver with a lever action of the same caliber when I hunt or camp.
Yup, my go to reload is to control the revolver and cylinder with my left hand, muzzle to sky, open my right hand, smack ejector, grab loader with right hand while pointing revolver down with left hand and load.
It's a bit like the ayoob reload but I keep the revolver in my left hand and twist it a bit as I come down to eject so I can ride the barrel down with my right hand.
WIth ayoob the right hand is in control of the revolver during ejection and then gets trasfered to the left hand for the reload. I'm not crazy about switching hands.
@@forrest225 I picked up a Charter Arms Southpaw just to see how it would reload. Having the cylinder swing out the the right, holding it in your left hand, makes it so much easier and faster to reload rounds using your right hand, only transition once and not have to contort your wrist.
@@ricjona1069 That's pretty cool!
I have a cheaper 357 that I trust my life to on occasion.. charter arms makes some nicer then you’d think very reliable revolvers.. the only knock I’ll give them is if you play around with the cylinder when closed you can throw the timing out a little.. however simply opening and closing it fixes this instantly.. I’m not a revolver nut but I’ve owned two magpugs over the years and it’s still my go to backwoods gun to this day.. never had a single issue and the trigger although not high end is a lot smoother and more serviceable then one would think given the price tag..
Typical forged into the top rear sights but they like everything else on the gun are very serviceable lol.. keep repeating myself and I don’t hold charter arms in high regard for most guns they import and sell.. but I’ll take this one over a ruger any day.. not heavy but light but for a 357 1.75” it doesn’t beat the hell out of you.. my daughters been shooting it since she was 10 with full power loads..
It’s no smith but it’s not far off either in function..
Is that a transfer bar safety or a hammer block safety? I don't see the notch in the top of the hammer for the transfer bar.
My Taurus m66 has been great. MAC should try it out.
I have a older 6 shot 66 and love it. Smooth shooter!
My son's a big strong guy with huge hands! Semiautomatics like the Glock 19 are too small for his hands. He LOVES firing the large 357 magnums! I might just pickup one of these for him! Cool!
I like the canik pistol cases, because they're universal cases and you can stick 2 handguns in the case for the range
Old school Taurus pistols were hand made. I have one. .357 from the -90. Got it new on my 15 year old hands as a first pistol. That was journey!
Pleasent joyrney i have to say. You can literally push this gun to bog and i will work and shoot well. Now at 43 year old oldie i feel this pistol should get a medal.
I wish rock island would make their m200 in .357 or even .45 as one that size, my gal could carry easily out on the land or hiking. I could use it as my charger gun, as I don't own a truck, I own a 69 charger which I drive daily. I love 6 inch revolvers though and this one seems a right peach for the money.
Although I like my Ruger 10mm Match Champion, Redhawk 45 Colt, and Blackhawk .357 mag/9mm, and taurus defender 3", This one does look decent for the price. I do not, however, like the idea of the brass getting hung up on the cylinder release. Never have that problem with a Ruger. Also, in extreme recoil, that slide style of release can let the cylinder unlock, but then again, you can't shoot the same high power ammo in one of these as you can a Ruger.
Tim, you're always a plethora of knowledge
Been a huge fan of the channel since it began and look forward to new content each week. Out of nowhere you reference RATM. Did we just become best friends? Love the channel and I also share your love of the Machine.
The SR38 has been selling like hot cakes and the matte steel version is $600-650 and the stainless version is $800-850. I have the 4in version of this revolver from when it was less than $500 when it was imported by TR Imports. It’s a solid gun; is it a Ruger or S&W, not quite. If you really enjoy and believe in the gun then great but if your trying to save by getting a S&W clone then the prices are too close to justify not spending an additional $150-200 to get a Smith & Wesson.
Over this SAR I would get a GP100 or Ruger LCR for the money, that's just my pesonal opinion though. The GP100 is one of the best bang for the buck revolvers on the market, not because it's cheap, but because it punches above its weight class IMHO (I still prefer my S&W though).
For better ejection
use gravity and the pinkie
side heel of your hand
The prices for revolvers are just crazy lately!
Yeah they’re ridiculous. You used to be able to pick up a Smith .38 Airweight for $300, now they’re north of $500? GTFO! Lol not even close to worth it.
Thanks!
Revolvers make an excellent bedside handgun. Simple and effective. Makes for happy dreams..
I would imagine the brass scratches the hell out of that cylinder release
I love 4+ inch revolvers, I have a 686+ deluxe that runs like a goshdang dream, a ria m200 for memes, and my first revolver was an eaa windicator
0:20 "have you ever been on your computer, sipping coffee looking for a $450 revolver? Yeah me neither."
Me, in my underwear sipping on coffee doing exactly that