EDIT at 4:30 I messed up the position of the Off Lane and Safe Lane. On Radiant, (The Left Side) The Safe Lane is in the bottom and and Off Lane is in the top. On Dire, (the right side) The Safe Lane is in the top and the Off Lane is in the bottom. Thank you to everyone who pointed this out for me!
You cannot play dota for 10hours and think you even slightly understand the game. See you in 2000 more hours when you will still be learning new mechanics every time you play ❤
Well yes but also no, yeah remember pa , gyro, blade mail, or every Godam patch when it's too overpowered making the game unfun, especially when it became so obvious by making it I win button.
This is not true if everything is overpowered some spells are going to be more overpowered then others due to how the game works. it would just create a meta of broken again, putting us back to the starter spot.
As a 10 years dota2 player, watching this is just wholesome, the curiosity in discovering new mechanisms, trying out new heroes, it’s truly great experience
what I want from Dota 2. Is All heroes are already free. and you can easily abandon match if someone disconnected. it should have adapted by FCKING RIOR IN LEAGUE.
@@kostismetallo8697 I haven't seen a dedicated jungler since like 2016 in dota lmao it really isn't worth I don't think unless your offlane can solo stomp somehow.
As a league vet jumping to Dota 2. The thing I like the most is that there are always options. Counter picked and abandoned? Just jungle, or go gank somewhere. Stack camps to increase xp and gold production for your team. Knowing which option is right and wrong is difficult, but you are not the only one making those choices. League is like a corridor, while Dota is like a maze.
Ye, dota has more option. The heroes are more fluid and support can easily solo carries. Getting gold is more accessible in dota than league which means you can be your own self one man team. I hate midas builders though xD
I dont know about LOL but dota 2 is really not newbie friendly.. I recommend my friend to start play dota while he was not accustomed with 5v5 play and he got so overwhelmed by everything and start dropping dota .. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
As a Dota player I always felt that they were different games. League seems harder from a mechanical perspective, while Dota seems harder from a strategic perspective
dota is almost or if not harder mechanically too. just the sheer number of items and manta dodge, armlet toggle, blink dagger over blink. yea sure theres no skill shots but thats literally about it
Bro dota IS not even close . Its much more easy. If you die its ok you Can easy come back to line. No punishment. Also strategic? Abilities are so owerpowered that its just about who click R first. Also items are dogshit. You cant comeback if enemy have items .And you miss 2 sidd abilities which Lol have@@claudekim7876
Yeah there’s a lot of stuff like the fact that the vast majority of items have actives and how in dota you can control multiple units or have much more than 4 abilities that adds a lot of micro to the game. Also things like microing currier, quickly swapping items to get more effectiveness out of consumables (by lowering your stats), even controlling your teammates if they afk.
@@claudekim7876I played Dota 2 before I played League. I never reached a "peak", in Dota. Games, even the losing ones, seemed easy. I never felt helpless against great players. Compare that to League, and I'm still learning. Sorry, but League has a higher ceiling, and your opinion is complete and utter horseshit.
@@JsJdv whenever someone talks about skill ceiling for those games, you just know they are full of shit. Every high rank player in both games has reached the ceiling from a mechanical point of view. For the game as a whole, no one has reached the ceiling. Just look at how bots dominate humans.
As a 15 year Dota veteran this video was very enjoyable and wholesome. First time I have watched anyone talk about the new player experience in a positive way instead of just complaining all the time. It also really made me get a new perspective on this game I have put an insane amount of hours into. When everyone is so negative and doomy in the community, this was a much needed moment of positivity and joy that I struggle to find anywhere else, so thank you a lot. I think you have a gift for communication when you can show so much positivity while still being accurate to the source, without falling into some trite both sides, "good AND bad" cliche writing that everyone is so obsessed with.
how can u not complain about new player experience if your 1st game against players is basically against people with 3000 hours, thats not even a game :|
I tried dota 2 once, but realized personally that the hardest part wasn't controls, or micro and macro. no, the hardest part was not knowing jack sht about any of dota 2's characters while I know everything every champion ability does in league because I've been playing it since j4 release during season 1. so my first game I'm like "why the fk am I dying under tower while my lane opponent is nearly under their tower" realized it wasn't worth memorizing every dota 2 champs abilities and just uninstalled. learning a game with (at the time) just as many characters as league wasn't worth the time.
Finally a league player who actually paid attention to the tutorial, watched guides and learned the game. Great video man, hope you continue playing Dota.
Facts learning Dota and you reach this epiphany stage where your like how is Dota so slept in once you get to the point where you understand the game enough to understand how much more balanced and deep it is it really makes League feel immature as far as game balance wise.
Yup what i found fun in dota is learning the game itself and try it in the actual game... until u find mortred with full item and ruin ur whole strategy 😂
@@ailfridha1135 yes, unfortunately there is almost no counterplay for evasion builds. Of course evasion is one of 100 mechanics that doesnt even exist in LoL
@@flymykim Try The Item Called 'Monkey king bar' Counter Item for Evation Heroes . Provides 80% to pierce Evation. And The Item 'Blood Throne' You Have to Cast the item into the enemy to silence the hero and every hit causes True strike
Learning dota was probably the peak of my enjoyment of the game. I still have fun playing games and all of that 4000+ hours later, but the sense of wonder and discovery you get when learning the game can never truly be replaced
The problem is these games are honestly meant to be played with friends, in five v fives, that's when they are at their best. This game is meant to form small groups and clicks, where you all team up, talk shit to eachother, praise eachother, you all gossip who is the best, who is the worse, and basically make your own inner local circle of competitions. The problem is finding the ideal league of legends group for you, is legit harder then finding a gf, I know this cause ive had multiple gfs while playing league, but never once the idea league friend group : ^)
Late to the party but there's something I'd like to add on here. Dota unlike in league don't have scaling skills, at least with most of the heroes. By that I meant that skills don't scale off on your attack damage or attack power, it's a relatively flat damage with little to no additional damage (with some exceptions) This is why League fights tend to be finished in under 3 seconds, the damage of skills just scale off with your items leading to absolutely quick fights and easy snowballing.
Is that so? I mean, there are items that scale magic damage, and there are items that add phisical damage. I guess the fights last longer bcs cc is overpowered so players must invest in surviving and saving, but there are builds that kills in 2/3 hits, they usually are cc and die without doing much
@@felipewatanabe7128 I think you missed my point. Kaya and its upgrade just increases spell amp, what I mean is that there is almost no heroes that directly increases your skills damage based on a certain stats, sure there are exceptions like skywrath's arcane bolt and nyx's mana flare and OD's arcane orb, Silencer's glaives and some more, but like I said its very few. It isn't like League where every champion inherently has skills that scale off from a certain stat
League of legends PC boring game compare to dota2. Cemetery ambience and oversmoothgame to the point that all moves can predict, even a flash can predict lmao. boring oversmooth predictable moves and cemetery ambience with no life look game😂 Faker is just a normal pro player compare to dota2 pro's. Dota2 players are geniuses whild lol pro players are just normal pro player💯
@@felipewatanabe7128League of legends PC boring game compare to dota2. Cemetery ambience and oversmoothgame to the point that all moves can predict, even a flash can predict lmao. boring oversmooth predictable moves and cemetery ambience with no life look game😂 Faker is just a normal pro player compare to dota2 pro's. Dota2 players are geniuses whild lol pro players are just normal pro player💯
The one thing I instantly notice from the gameplay of Dota 2 is how just how much prettier the map is (at least to me, a 10+ yrs League vet)! And the games heroes actually look like they could be straight out of monstrous fantasy settings, like the worlds of MTG or DnD, instead of the more cartoony and marketable look League's champions go for. I think for someone, like me, who enjoys monster champions, over the generally aesthetically pleasing hot people, plus the macro gameplay, this was definitely an eye opener to a whole new world! Nevertheless, amazing video as always Dimple! Keep up the great work. :-)
As someone with more than 10+ years of Dota experience, who played lol for 2-3 years because of friends... I have the same feeling :) What makes it even funnier in my opinion is, that Dota has had these graphics since Reborn, which was a big update somewhere around 2015 IIRC :D Tbh I cannot imagine how the hell Lol cosmetics makes money :D Imho the whole visual part of Dota is just much richer, and beautifully animated, and some cosmetics have custom visual effects on ultimates that make it even more satisfying to use them :) I know, I know, cosmetics are non-essentials, and things like that.... But yeah, I was never really into the cosmetics in Lol, while I have most of the better ones in Dota. The whole steam market integration makes most of the items really cheap - except some really-really overpriced ones ofc. But the fact that you can buy whole sets for 0.03€ and sometimes even Immortal items (which have custom animations, effects, etc...) for like 0.10€... Heck, even the Arcanas, the most overpriced cosmetics in the game (and well.. most of them look really cool, with custom hero models, animations, sound effects, etc... that u can combine with Immortal items sometimes too) which is originally like 30€ is on the market for somewhere around 20€... Sometimes you just make friends, that has a bunch of cosmetics they cannot sell (some cosmetics are not marketable), but at the same time, they already have something that they like more so they are willing to gift it to you just to get rid of it from their inventory :D Like me, I have a bunch of unopened/unused sets/items that are not marketable and I don't need them, so I am regularly gifting items to my friends. Ofc, I could talk about gameplay mechanics and other things for hours, but you mainly mentioned that you like the aesthetics, so.. I think you should give it a go. Although it can be a bit overwhelming as a new player, I recommend getting some experience in new player mode (which has a limited hero pool). If you have the feeling that it is a bit slow, then Turbo is a fun gamemode too (it has multipliers on XP and money so it usually takes half the time as a normal game), but be aware, meta heroes (which looks "OP" for new players, when you don't know how to counter heroes and items etc..) usually even stronger in Turbo, so it can be a stomp if u are unlucky with your team. But who knows, everything can work in Dota, everything can be countered, and sometimes 1 ultimate can completely turnaround a whole fight, khm... Enigma's black-hole, Earth Shaker's Echo Slam (this has the most satisfying sound in the whole game in my opinion, and it feels so gooood if you land it properly).
Having 1000s of hours into both League and Dota2 respectively, I'd say that both are equally difficult to win but in League you feel like you're walking a tightrope where one wrong step means death and in Dota it feels more like tug of war
Yeah i got this wie from dota too i didnt play dota in my life but seems like more chill in leage if u cant land a move u dead if u go from false side to team fight u dead if u buy wring start item u dead if u choice wrong champ u afk if u play u have no life yeah this is the summary of league if u want to play a game like dota but not dota
I'm a 15+ years DotA player. I really loved this video. It clarifies really well the differences. I played LoL myself for 7 months. I only stopped because I thoght it was a waste of my time to play to similar games at the same time, so I kept on DotA because I love it.
Me i was different i was playing 5 Mobas at the same time in relativly high elo xD i saw the moba genre as a FPS genre, where ur skills carry over and makes it easier to play that game.
4:30 the off lane and safe lane are labeled wrong, the safe lane is called the safe lane because the creep equilibrium naturally meets just outside the friendly tower. range. The off lane is always the lane with the two towers closer together, and the safe lane's towers are farther apart.
@@DimpleTheDragon yea I kept watching and you referred to them correctly later on a few times. Great video! Glad you enjoyed the game. I went from Warcraft 3 DotA to League's closed beta until around 2016 when I came back to dota for good. Always cool seeing league players perspective. TI happens in less than a week, maybe check it out if you wanna see the pros go at it in the biggest tournament of the year.
I find it interesting that while you were talking about micro things you could do, at the end with DK vs terrorblade you could've treadswitched to INT to get enough mana to cast dragon's breath and secure the kill =)
A couple of years ago it was even more difficult. Orb effects that blocked advantages of other similar items, single courier for the whole team, teleportation scroll that had no dedicated slot and many others. Playing both games it's nice to see them grow together, as Android and iOS acquire nice features from each other. In the case of Dota a lot of quality of life changes. Great video, I can't understand why community of these two games hate each other so much. I live in Italy, and here everyone only plays LoL. Maybe with this video I can at least get them to try Dota
Well there is one answer to your question of "why dota community hate league's community?" And that answer is the Pendragon drama back in the old dota all stars day. I highly recommended that you look up the matter.
@@vmondschein1739 That is an extremely biased video based on a lot of assumptions. I'm not gonna say he's not awful but it really isn't unbiased like it said it was.
"orb effect that blocked advantages of other items" what orb did you mention here? is jt skadi that doesn't stack with deso back in the days before patch 7.00?
As someone who played Dota for more than 10 years, this feels so refreshing to see someone learn the game again. The best part of Dota is learning everything about the game because it has so much to offer! And for me, I'm actually trying out League not so long ago! Thank you for this video! You earned another sub!
I have no idea about Dota2. I used to play Dota back in 2004 to 2010 in Warcraft 3. I still remember the first game I played it was an ARAM and at the end of game I had boots and Claws on Leshrac the malicious lol. I am not sure if you still lose gold when you die but back then bounty was a flat number + a bonus on your level and if you died you lost the gold while enemy gained your gold. The first hero I did decent on Was Ursa Warrior because you had an attack speed buff that capped your AS for a few hits and scaling bonus dmg every hit. After that Sand King was pretty nice. I have had a good time playing Dota until it got repetitive with Faceless and Troll permabashing people, full tank team grouping mid and winning games at lvl 8-10 because they all had AoE ults and most common all people picking agility hero for no reason. My favourite heroes were DK and Magnus for strength, I almost forgot about Slardar ganking with -25 Armor and reveal ultimate (would be -150 armor in League). Agility Drow Ranger for the beautiful AoE silence, Luna Moonfang for AoE push and ridiculous ulti, Revenant and Medusa with Radiance and Eye of skadi just because she as so troll (I miss Purge as the ultimate with the silly 5s cooldown). For Int I enjoyed Lina Inverse, Leshrac, Krobelus for straight up nukes and Witch doctor with maledict dmg amp support and Lich to deny creeps and super slow enemy attackspeed with Shiva Guard and Frost Armor+ Frost Nova. As Support I really enjoyed Imbaddon Lord of Avernus because of shield and heal, Borrowed time and the ability to deny yourself if timed right and Vegenful Spirit with Helm of the Dominator running ganks on people and cancelling Teleport of people using BKB with ulti. Still the most hilarious to play for me were Techies, the hero with ultimate that reset all cooldowns and you just turbo pushed lanes with activatable items and went to base to refresh mana and Terrorblade which had the ability of Metamorphosis as basic skill, clone creation (1 at a time) and as ultimate you swapped HP% with an enemy after a short delay. He was ridiculous at pushing towers and fighting off people but didnt benefit much from normal items mostly focused on stats. I still remember when pushing one day I got 3 man ganked by a fed Prophet,Pudge and another guy. They got me low and Pudge walked into melee to ult me while I ulted him. AHH FRESH ... ministun occured and HP swap was done. that was so stupid and imbalanced but I liked it. What I didn't like were heroes with Bash passives and Phantom Lancer. Couldn't stand playing as PL too cheesy.
As a Dota player, I liked this video because you showed how much fun Dota can be as a new player if you put in a little bit of effort to learn how the game is played before jumping in. I've never really understood the obsession over which game is "harder" since 90% of people are going to plateau at a skill level which is difficult for them anyway, so it's nice for someone to show how fun both games can be.
I just think harder is getting used interchangeably with complexity. Dota is definitely the more complex game, but that doesn't make it harder for most people as most people won't get the skill ceiling.
My first game ever in dota years ago took me about 1 month just to get the basic right and not constantly chain feed. But after those hardships I started to enjoy every aspect of it and the uniqueness of the game mechanics and trying my best to get better at it. Even after 5-6 years of playing there will always be new mind blowing/funny items interaction and usage, you’ll never be able to master dota because there’s always things that are waiting to be discovered. You’ll always learns new things in dota no matter how many years you’ve been playing and that is the reason why I love dota so much.
Dota 2 is harder wtf are you talking about This is herald level of talking, the guy and you never play at actual level of dota high skills knoiw nothing about dota2. Even pro lose to random pub in skils wise. Dota2 has too much hidden shit that you need to learn, itemization, lane control, heroes control, heroes synergy, items timing, rosh, timer just everything in one packet get good herald
At the 2:30 mark, I can already see the masterclass editing of the transition, complimented by the “comparison” topic. Smooth af. Subbed by a long time dota and league fan.
One thing I've noticed is there used to be a much bigger rivalry between Dota and League. Now we are all just happy mobas aren't a dead category of gaming. I'll always be a dota player myself and love watching League players come over and enjoy our game. Great video and glad you had a good time!
In order to be a rival you sort of have to rival the other side. LoL has long since eclipsed Dota, it'd be almost cruel expecting any competition to be going on there. Picture America still being rivals to Great Britain, just because they once were doesn't mean it's appropriate to draw those same parallels into the future.
@@VyanTan its not really rocket science, aphelios became not to confusing in his theme and kit cause i know that invoker has to take another step to get his combos as well (which is basically just add 3 combos of abilities together) if you’re not confident with memorization you can just build quas-wex then run people down with autos lol
As someone who transitioned from league to Dota. You pretty much summarized my first experience. I played league for 6 years on and off and peaked at plat 2 before i got tired of the game. (I play all roles but i love playing as rakan,thresh,jayce,pyke and kassadin.) It was during covid when me and my friends who also played League thought it would be a good idea to try dota and "own" some noobs. And i thought. "It couldn't be that hard" and boy how wrong we we're. I personally fell in love with the UI and just how fluid it feels. You can even demo a champion without opening another program. All the champs are free from the get go and all of them feel unique to play on their own way. Even in the laning phase, There's a alot going on the map. Bounty timings/lotus/power runes/wisdom runes/creep pulling/creep deny/creep control/smoke potential/and night time advantage. And thats just to name a few. Needless to say, the map feels more active. Compare to league's IMO stale laning phase. Dota is more of a team game than League. In league it's not too difficult to pretty much carry your own team. If you are a full slotted ADC way before the other guys you can clean house all by yourself. In dota even if you are doing good, a carry plus one is sometimes enough to bring you down. One thing i hate about this game is the rank system is brutal. (It's kinda better now, but it's still brutal) my first calibration was Guardian 4 since then i managed to get to archon 3. But earlier this year all accounts are forced to recalibrate and i drop back down to crusader 5. I manually recalibrated again and now im legend 1. It's confusing as hell.
@wikijippo4719 pretty much. thats riots MO in general. take something that is complex and refine it to remove a lot of the over complications. valorants another great example. u have characters like omen that can at will smoke exactly wherever they want on the map. in cs go u gotta get the perfect trajectory aiming at the top of a 2 story balcony so u can smoke off A site lmfao
@wikijippo4719just saying fighting people to deny creep is one of the option too in dota. Also in the video is not saying the harder mechanics is better. He just said dota is harder. After all just enjoy the game most of the fans will say their game is better.
@wikijippo4719 Last hitting creep, or even pulling jungle creep out of their camp is kind of early game mechanic. You can play DOTA not knowing them, but it will put you in a little disadvantage. Kind of like wave management in League. Most people don't even aware of that strategy except few high elo players. And no, more mechanics are better for players who want more to learn. League is made for casual players, but these casual players sooner or later will become more experienced. They will try other MOBA than League like DOTA 2.
@wikijippo4719 Also League is indeed dumbed down version of the original DOTA. League in its early day was wild and full of options. Some people miss old League because it has this "everyone is OP" balance but in a flawed way, more flawed than DOTA 2 but still fun. Over time, Riot polishes League and knows what direction they want to take for the game. They focus more on micro than macro, more flashy ability combo than versatile item choice. When I said, "dumbed down", I don't mean it in bad way. The original vision of Riot for League was that League is a more streamlined MOBA than DOTA and easy to approach. Since the game debut, that philosophy is still in their core gameplay loop despite the overcomplicated champion design.
@@cloudynguyen6527 S2/S3 league was the best. I had to take a break from Dota since my PC couldn't run DOTA2 on release so I played League for 2 years back in those days. And I enjoyed myself a lot. My Orianna was a fucking menace. Haha.
As someone who hasn't played dota for like 6 years and played Lol since, this video was unexpectly fun to watch! Just to see how much dota has changed. Great video! You earned yourself a sub!
Im on and off on both games and gotta say... While i love dota more and have more fun there league is just easier to get one or two games and be done, less mentally taxing and more relaxing (also more of my friends play it) so i end up playing more league
What led to you switching? I started with WC3 DotA and tried league for a few months in 2012 while I was waiting for my Dota 2 invite. So I understand the differences pretty well, just wondering what made you switch.
The main reason was all of my friends played League, tried to get some of them to play Dota but they thought it was too hard etc. So I switched over. I still love Dota and have fond memories of it. So much have changed though! But I will definitely go back now and try and see for myself how much fun the "new" dota is! @@LguanadonTRex
Dragon Knight is considered to be a boring hero lol. Glad you liked it though. I'd actually love to watch you try out DotA's harder heroes like Invoker, Tinker or Meepo. Nevertheless, it was good to see the perspective of a LoL player on how fundamentally different the games are.
Do not let this man get into Tinker or Meepo or Invoker. It takes a month to learn a single of these heroes. Secondly all 3 of them are cancer (not so much for invoker).
@@thechinamigos6802 I can play all three. Invoker is my main, used to play tinker pre-rework era (I'm talking March of Machines days). I'm still learning Meepo, not super good at micro. I'm not tryna be anti-fun, I just love learning tough heroes.
Man this is such a bold move to make with a predominant LoL audience. Hats off to ya! You started to like the game more once you started to understand the macro mechanics... can't wait for your reaction once you start learning the micro intricacies of the game. I'm actually quite impressed with the effort and depth you put in to learn the game and give it a legitimate crack. Will you continue to play it?
Thanks man, I appreciate it! Even though I'm a League fan at heart, I have to be honest about my findings and just overall how I felt playing the game! And yeah I am going to keep playing, especially if you all want to see more content on the game!
@@DimpleTheDragonyou didn't even scratch a surface. Most heroes can be played as support or core and as hard carry you usually just ignore most fights and just farm or come with ulti and continue to farm until you have around 3 big items
Well that's the problem. I'm a Dota player for 16 years and I played LOL for a year during that time. Every time I tell a lol player that Dota is more complex, thus more difficult, they get offended. Even if I give them reasons why, and they didn't even try it (probably because it's too hard? 😅)
Glad to see a League creator actually have fun with Dota. I myself played League for 4 years and stopped when the newer champions just kept on becoming ridiculous so I switched back to Dota. I still play league every now and then but man is it different from what I remember.
All chatacters in dota are different, in league everyone is built the same. Skillashot / %damage ability or autoattack / flash or dash and a strong ultimate. And no, they dont get fixed because each time they nerf something the make something else broken.
You cannot say that League champions are broken and going back to Dota in the same sentence. As a League player of 10+ years going into Dota at the behest of my friend, my friend impression is that EVERYTHING in Dota is busted. Lol
@@Keijii1 You 100% can say that and it's correct. League champions are broken because they're unbalanced and therefore there's a rift in the power of the champions. Dota has a much higher base power level but thinks are actually balanced so they're not broken. EVERYTHING is "busted", yes, if by busted you mean very powerful. Very few things are broken (meaning actually OP in comparison to the rest of the game).
i'm 11 months late to the party for this video. man what a refreshing experience! i came from frozen throne dota1 ice frog era, and still playing dota2 to this day. had some experiences with LOL but got turned off that i need to buy all the champions. i hope you still keep on playing dota2, this game has so much to offer. the skill ceiling for this game is way way waaaay higher than other games, but once you get the hang of it, itll be rewarding. you just earned a sub. i hope this channel grows. underrated channel i say.
The first 98 hours I played Dota I absolutely hated, but I challenged myself to figure it out, because surely its just a game and I'm good at every game I play right? At the 100 hour mark something clicked and I finally started to understand what was happening and it was magical. 9 years and nearly 5,000 hours later it's my favorite game and feels like home. I love the feeling of experiencing this game fresh from new players, thanks for putting in the time to learn this beautiful game.
couldnt say it better. I just love experiencing it again from a new player perspective. I have over 8k hours of gameplay and sometimes I actually learned something new from new player. cheers mate 🍻
As a dota veteran that tried league I agree with you, but what I find hard about league, is all the skilshots and quick reactions you need to have. I think both games are difficult in different ways
Yeah that's what each champion's combos and little quirks like animation cancelling buffering and unique map interactions + item interactions come into play which is why there are even instances where if you over step and get caught you die in between 0.3 - 1 second. Which makes it difficult in a sense that you have to be extra aware of what you do and where other team is. Same concept applies to taking down structures if you let a split pusher in League of Legends like Yorick to do as he pleases and decide to go for Dragon or Baron (Two buff creatures) then it's possible for Yorick to take 2 - 3 structures and if one of the lane is open (Meaning No inhibitor) It can result in a loss.
@@jackof4llwell this all also applies to dota 2, but league is really harder in one thing, if you lose the lane as adc in dota, you can freely go farm in the jungle and come back, because there is plenty of space for 3 champs to be farming the jungle at the same time, but in league you cant really do anything if you are getting stomped on lane as adc. You have to wait there and try to eat every minion the enemy gives you and that i find to be pretty annoying. Other then that league is pretty fun and i like both games.
10 years playing Dota , and im loving Lol , finally i can carry 1v5 without relying on dumb teamates, also i enjoy more the fast pace and high speed fights compared to slow and long dota fights
No comebacks and no late game are the main reasons why I quit league. In dota both still exist. Also valve doesn't push a meta like riot does. There are a lot of weird things possible. In league that was kinda the case in early seasons but now it's all streamlined and riot wants to have everything under control...
I played Dota for 5 years and moved to League and been playing LoL since, reason being is because its easier, and the crazy part is you touched on a lot of aspects of both games yet theres still more nuance in Dota, (like how every character has a turn rate, so they have to turn AND THEN auto attack, and some characters SLOW DOWN your turn rate) and such. I love discussing with my other Dota friend about if BKB was in league, or if this characters ability was in league, Dota's team-fighting characters are way more impactful than team-fighting characters in league, but if those abilities were in league it would break the game. I've grown to love both games but will always have the soft spot for Dota, i enjoyed this video (:
I played dota for 4 years, then moved to league, then(after permaban) moved to dota 2 and they are all easy. The guy in the video sits 10 years straight in the starter mmr for newbies after their first 10 games(silver4). He has no knowledge of either league or dota to make any comparisons at all. The video makes no sense😔
Honestly I like league more because of skill shots, while in dota there is quite a lot of skill shots, but most of them are so big, it's a shame calling it a skillshot, there is more skill expression in league skillshots imo. You need to also know timings of summoners and there is no 15s cd 5km blinks, which I still think is bs, even tho before reborn I played 2k hours in Dota. It's also a lot less cluttered than Dota. Even though league lacks some other skill expression stuff like denying creeps, but playing top and being permaganked by enemy jungler is enough stress xd. I'll say it is just a taste diff, both games are good but reborn killed dota for me.
I think an aspect you didn't note is the large hero pool in dota being available for free. Since heros aren't gated behind paywall it's more likely you'll see a wider variety of off meta heroes. I've been playing dota for awhile and I'd see in unranked 2-3 heroes are meta but then there's always a couple of less popular heroes. I think this forces you to learn more heroes and how to counter them.
@@TheTriangle444 IMO since icefrog has been back, (since 7.33 when the map changed) the game hasnt been this balanced for a while before.. i dont recall any truly broken stuff compared to before 7.33. (now that i think maybe medusa after the change was the only truly broken)
I liked your take on the game and am glad you had fun while playing. I've been playing Dota 2 for 10 years and it's come a really long way. They've recently expanded the map and also added a new neutral objective called the Tormentor that is team-oriented so taking it on alone typically ends in a death. I played League for a fair bit, but it hasn't kept my attention like Dota has. The most fun I'd have in League was ARAM or some URF, but the luster fades away pretty quickly. Partially why I haven't played it in almost a year. There's something about Dota that just keeps drawing me back. The events are typically pretty fun, the custom game modes are plentiful, and there are many different heroes that can cater to one's play style. Countering another hero can come down to items or other hero picks, so the games aren't typically one-sided; though the occasional stomp does occur. If you want to continue to play, I'm sure many of us would love to witness your growth and see how far you go. Cheers
So cool to hear your perspective as a long time player! I feel very similarly about League to how you feel about Dota. There's just something about the game that keeps me coming back! I just love the feeling an intense ranked League game brings!
Playing League since Season 7(2017) and decided to try Dota 2 last August this year for the 10th anniversary and I really loved playing Turbo with friends. Can't say the same with All Pick / Standard games since games take too much time imo. Love how you can always adapt your build based on the situation and you're not locked to a specific role (enchanter support for example). Builds are flexible.
Turbo is fun but not really balanced. For example heroes that pushes lanes a lot are way stronger as buildings are so weak in turbo. But as it gives more gold and so items are bought faster, I like this mode to try new builds.
It’s gotten a lot more friendly over the years. Gold and xp gain is overall much higher especially from teamfights, which encourages constant teamplay over afk farming. This is provisioned with more item slots, newer items, increased level cap with extra talent tree (skill/stat buffs throughout the game). Made it overall more dynamic and less punishing, really pushing the teamplay favoured dynamic.
I recently had a DOTA binge a few months ago. I sometimes picked it up and played a game or two and just quit it for League, but I was determined to learn the game and be able to hold my own. I had such a fun time learning all the champions, wave management, items, etc. Of course getting run down by Tusk and Spirit Breaker is definitely the worst. Arc Warden is probably my favorite. It's a Shaco ult, but imagine Shaco's clone did as much damage as him, has his own cooldowns independent from the original Shaco, and can cast all the same abilities that the original Shaco can.
Arc Warden is one of the Scariest Late game hero 💀 He can control all lanes, doing split push of his own. Killing someone of his own. Versatile build items 💀
I was just eating and normally watching my RUclips vids and came across this one, and i have to say seeing a LOL player come and check the difficulty level on DOTA with a positive result is really something to respect here. Thank for this amazing content that you made not just for your LOL fans but to us Dota fans.
Great video not only playing the game but also explaining the game really well. I think your first pvp match sums up new players' frustration pretty well. You get into a game and everyone is like played the game for years and stomping noobs. Not everyone has the patience to look for guides and learn everything before they play.... Probably the reason why dota2 can't get many new players :(
Yeah I agree with this take. Most people when playing a game for first time don't wanna get completely rinsed by smurfs so it's hard. I'm just used to it coming from league and I was prepared to do research because that also kind of comes along with MOBAs. And thanks for the support
And there are a lot of mechanics which you have to learn about: different types of dispel, illusions (which skills and items work with them), neutral creeps stacking/pulling, regeneration of HP (items/skills may manipulate it), misses and true strikes, invisibility and how to counter it, ghost (aka ethereal) form, etc. It is overwhelming and sometimes guides tell you how a certain mechanic works, but you still have to try it yourself to completely understand it.
Around 90% of leauge heros look like QOP fom dota, and 90% of leauge heros have kit like Windranger from Dota (Skillshot, harder Skillshot, escape, one target burst damage).
the accuracy of this comment to League and this is true to the ADC champs of the game coming from ADC main and from an old Dota player before playing LOL
Dota boss is Roshan LoL boss is Nashor When you spell Dota boss name from behind its calling LoL boss name 😂 so its easy to understand lol thief so much things from dota :)
Great video. I love how you explain the differences between the games in terms that both groups could understand. I'll agree with the sentiment that Dota2 is "harder", but it can be just as inviting if you take your time and play at your level, not everyone needs to reach the peak or be perfect at it. Plenty of folk enjoy the game (same with league) at any level without needing to learn every niche tactic. Keep up the good work!
Dota just requires more time to learn all those mechanics. In general dota is complicated but still easier to play. Even the most braindead champs in lol is at least something on Lina level, while in dota we have such an amazing hero named legion commander.
@@trash4484 u prob never played league then 😂 the only difficulty in league is to practice some combos on heroes that can even do one(irelia, Lee sin etc) and it seems complicated at 1st but mostly it's just brain memory cuz u mush like 10 keys in 2 sec(prob more than 80%, if u are allowed to) and then the game gets pretty boring as the game lacks a lot of mechanics and stuff to do compared to dota..sometimes your best move might be to tp base even tho u have full resources Lol doesn't have illusions invisibility items to block spells (manta bkb) or in general items with active abilities the end game is stupid as u might just lose to the garbage nasus 1/8 in lane but who has 2mil stacks now...lol endgame is generally flat af And for heroes that are dumb as hell u mention LC? Have u seen gragas?garen?Darius? Renekton? Fiora? Those are real braindead heroes( and many more)
@@Vlad-ez8ic I prefer to perform at least any combo than just one shot people with one button while being able to blink through whole screen. In this case dota is much more moba cuz u don't need actual skill, just pick right hero, build right item, and have ur key ability up. But lol is still much more competitive game. It's more fun to play, 1v1 is always intense, there is always some element of random. Maybe cuz u mostly need to hit ur abilities instead of just pointing and clicking?
As dota player watching u actually having fun when learning dota makes me remember the good old day when i learn dota it's so fun and fresh turns out nowdays i doomed with mmr and high rank mekanik 🙃
For me the biggest difference when I tried LoL was that the Turning Speed is instant. Thats crazy. In Dota there is only one hero who has no facing requirements (IO), everyone else needs to face the direction in which you want to attack or cast. There are a full set of mechanics related to turning speed that completely changes the game. Also, the fog of war in LoL feels like simplified, cant really say why, but the Visibility nodes does not allow you to do as much juking as in Dota (the map either).
The turning speed its the game mechanics from wc3, and dota was a mod on it so i guess they kept that as a skill and game mechanic when they moved it over to steam and made dota2
One of the biggest differences for me (dota player) is the fight duration, and your options as a hero/player. Everything I've watched and played from limited experience in LoL is that if you're not the Tanky toplaner - you will die in 2 spells or 3 adc autos. Your only options to live longer is GA/Spellblock Items/Flash and killing the enemy faster - fights are won or lost in seconds. In Dota it's way more common to turn a fight and there is so many more defensive options you can buy or talent in to. Whilst some supports that have built greedy can still die in a few seconds if caught, it's uncommon for core roles to have the same experience even with onyl 1 defense item. There is much more room for itemization and counter play. Coming back in the fight is possible. Edit: Just finished the vid - great video, compelling. Respect for the effort you put in. I think some of the things you think are broken just seem broken looking through the lense of what league has but make a lot more sense with Dotas wider variety of items/effects/skills. I would love to see more on this - especially showcases for some of the more interesting heros like Invoker - even if you dont play a real match with it.
Really awesome take and thank you for the kind words! I completely agree about the team-fights. In League you can blink and it's over whereas in Dota sometimes it felt like I was fighting for like 30 seconds straight which was strange coming from league but cool to experience!
@@retardo9633buy aeon disk? Get ghost scepter? Stack armors? Get evasion? There's multiple way to counter act it. It's the beauty of the game. Even if something seems op, there's always an item that can counter act it. Unlike in lol where you just die instantly to a fed Katarina because she pressed E on you
@@interneth7644 retardo has a point but PA is got nerfed so she isnt as much as an issue. The problem with PA was her skill refresh with aghs but moreso the absurd blur break range making it extreamly difficult to find her in the map which is much larger now. Plus she can just buy nuli
@@DimpleTheDragon It really depends on the comps of the team in dota. You can have a teamcomp that has to get pick offs via initation blowing up the enemies strongest core instantly other comps can kite the enemy team for 30sec to a min or so. There's just a ton of versatility when you incorporate items as well. Theres usually an answer for everything
Nice content man, you did the game a lot of justice by actually researching and analysing where you went wrong and then objectively gave your opinion about the two games at the end. Looks like you enjoyed yourself too, gg wp :)
I have a friend who is also a great player in League. During our 9th Grade, we tend to run as fast as we can to the nearby Internet Cafe, the usual League player who always plays without us, and we're only 4 players who plays Dota 2 as always after school, and that where he decided to learn Dota, at first we play Dota 1 because almost every boys in class plays that and we invite some league players to teach them too. so basically we often completed a 5v5 lineup. Fast forward, that guy is our Best Core, Offensive wise, He adapt the League's way to another level, and WAY WAY WAY BETTER THAN ME after weeks of playing.
@@tobias3715 Are you stupid? He has the character names displayed on the models, this helps you learn who each hero is, also helps with visibility, the real player names are displayed on hover AND the right side of the screen whenever they get kills or destroy buildings.
@@tobias3715but they are real matches. Sure it won't put you on a mmr slider but it is dota and bot games are a part of everyone's journey, or at least should be.
@@evenjesuscantsaveyouanymor6163new comers can't beat hard or insane difficulty bots, they know how to gank and predict skill shots. So yes learning with bots is a great way to introduce yourself to dota 2.
As a Dota veteran this is the first time I've watched anyone talk about the game in detail instead of just complaining all the time. Despite having very low experience and knowledge, you basically covered all of the important parts. I'd like to get into more detail though: - The Jungler role actually does exist, it's just rarely pulled off. This is because a) There is nothing to help you be a Jungler in Dota like League, which has Smite and b) It requires you venturing off in the jungle the entire laning phase of the game, leaving not only yourself very vulnerable but your fellow friend in the Off Lane all alone against the 2 enemy Safe Laners. This is understandably risky BUT if you do pull it off then you it leaves your fellow friend earning twice the exp that the 2 enemies will earn and you as the Jungler with more exp. Idk if it still works like this, but back when I played it did - still risky to pull off though. - You touched on the items very well but some things were missed, which is understandable from your POV. The items in Dota are not just replacements for Summoner Spells in League, they are also situational items. They don't necessarily belong to a specific build type, which one you buy depends on the situation. Enemies are using very powerful abilities? Buy this item that makes you immune for a couple of seconds. Enemy is too fast and they always get away from every gank? Buy this item that stuns or slows them down for a few seconds. Can't seem to sneak up on enemies and gank? Buy this item that makes you invisible. Enemies are invisible and get away easily? Buy this item that reveals them for a few seconds. This one specific enemy hero has very devastating abilities? Buy this item to silence them for a few seconds... These are all items that depend on the situation, whatever you need - you buy. If you don't need it anymore, you can sell it later. Another subject of items is the stats, aka Strength, Agility and Intelligence. Str gives you bonus HP and HP regeneration, Agi gives you bonus Armour and Attack Speed, Int gives you bonus mana and ability damage. All heroes have a main stat, if you buy items that give you your hero's main stat then they will get those bonuses as well as bonus damage, which help with scaling as you level up later on. These are Core Items. - Everyone is busted, so no one is. The chances for come backs are huge because not 1 single hero can carry the whole game, even if they are fed. Due to the way the game is designed, you have to work together for results. Going in 1v5 even if you're the most fed man on the planet is still a bad idea because so many things can go wrong - no vision so you can fall into ambushes easily, cliff elevation is a thing and greatly effects who you can see, night time in the game reduces your vision, one hero landing a long stun on you is enough to allow others to pile on and murder you, the way the jungle is designed with the trees allows for hidden pathways towards your enemies for a gank (This means that even heroes that aren't assassins can gank, for example a slow tank can pull off a gank due to this) etc. While both games are team games, Dota requires far more coordination because of the way it's designed. Overall I really enjoyed the video and would also love to hear your thoughts on my essay here
@@Kool212 Hand of midas acts as an item to help you get items quicker, however it is too expensive to get early enough to jungle well Midas is usually used by carries and midlaners like Invoker to get to their powerspikes while jungle is usually reserved for soft supports like venomancer. Compiled with the fact that every patch that comes out they keep nerfing jungling, it is not advised to solely jungle in a carry role.
farming jungle is for noobs, if you go to jungle you have to farm 20 minutes in jungle to be decent. to do correctly jungle you have to stack jungle camps. I remember stacking 3 camps at once to boost my carry gold income like crazy. Also jungle should be used to farm as safe farm from lane like mid lane go to jungle to clear fast camp before lane crashes again
@@Kool212 midas is farming item, usually was 8 min item or it was worthless at least in old days. or you can go bfury for side pushing/farming. hard support sometimes went for midas. In old dota wards costed gold to purchase, you had bitch ward role and chicken. the person wasn't getting any items only bought chicken ( courier) then upgraded to flying courier and buying wards and rewarding wards all game. now wards are free so strategies changed
This video was so much fun to watch really. As a Dota player who has given League a try here or there, i think it's super interesting to see how entirely different these games are, even if based on the same concept. If you take a look at balancing for example, there are things in either game that would be absolutely beyond broken in the other game, but aren't in their own game, like you mentioned with Blink Dagger or BKB. Regarding the title question: I do agree, that Dota is harder on a conceptual level for sure, but in the end it doesn't matter as much, since good enemies will always make even conceptually "easier" games just as hard, i think Chess is a great example. The game itself is pretty simple and straight forward, but despite that beating a way better player is just as difficult.
Speaking of micro, in the very last clip you show you can switch your power treads to intelligence to get the extra mana you were missing for your q to kill the terrorblade
@@popcorn2826 I wasn't being critical. I was just mentioning it since he seems interested in it and I thought he'd be happy to discover that there's even more levels of complexity to look into.
As a Dota player with 6000 hours (and LoL account from 2013) I am impressed by how you utilized your illusions at 8:14 . However a common fault I notice when I teach league players is they forget their active items a lot, I noticed the same thing from your first days of playing but you quickly learned to use all items as an extension of your hero, very impressed!
After 18 years of playing Dota, Dota 2 and HoN last month I started playing LoL. What I noticed is that champs that are out of the same role play extremely similar, so there is way more carryover if you know one of the champs well. In DotA most heroes have a unique toolkit, so simply learning what each of them do, let alone how they are optimally played is way more work. Fun fact: the beginner tutorial was fundraised by the community.
Excluding macro, wave management and last hitting minions is really all the skills you need for certain champions. Some of their abilities aren't even skillshots.
Man, you deserve so much more attention, this is so high quality for such few subs. Love it; v interesting video! Been thinking about trying Dota and now I might give it a go. Great editing!
I tried league a few times but always found the game very...restrictive, at least as a support. I love adapting my playstyle and game choices to each game, likewise, I love surprising people. If you're my opponent, you'll find yourself getting ganked way before you expected it and if you're my teammate, you'll be empowered by whatever item I specifically built to make your game more fun to play.
Dota2 crushes league for support gameplay. Maybe not in the distant past when they were just ward plebs to be killed. But nowadays they have an insane amount of impact from start to finish. Can often complete several game changing and game winning items and can actually begin to scale via shard and talents into something freaky. Youll still get 1 shot by PA. But the support gameplay is just night and day. Watching a good position 4 Earth spirit essentially control the entire flow of the game is insane. And even a pos 6 no farm disruptor can decide the entire game with the right team fight. Runes, stacks, pulls, ganks, rotations, etc. It feels like there is always something you can do and be active in doing as a support while in League you truly just feel like a baby sitter. All you need is a TP and a dream.
@@Mrducky78 man i always played adc or hc in league and ALWAYS hated every sup for just existing they all made my lane so much worse by simply being stupid killing themselves not helping me right not warding not playing the support role AS A SUPPORT helping his team, when i came to dota a few weeks ago i simply fell in love with the supports, when i played league i just wanted the sup role to be deleted cause it was ruining so many adcs lanes and not doing their job at all. now in dota the supports are the most impacting role in the role game i still play as a hc but now i love the aly that is on my side literaly trusting the game on his hand cause while i try only to farm as its the most important thing to the hc do, his controling the wave our wards the enemy ward and both enemy hc and sup5 at the same time while also looking at the map trying to see if we're getting ganked or if he can gank another lane to help even more his team. fuck league sup, praise dota one's
As a carry player too every single option is a super squishy ranged glass cannon, and every item you can buy is just damage. No clever itemisation, no faceless void or Sven or phantom lancer type heroes just 20 different drow rangers and you aren't allowed to buy bkb/shadowblade/satanic/blink or anything to really change how you function
It was really cool to watch someone who came from league to play dota, a game i have never touches aswell but always been interested in and watch you struggle in probably the same way i would've! This was a really fun video to watch and a great introduction to what Dota actually is and how it is fundamentally different from league.
Dota has so many hero team combos... It goes super deep. Also, your items always depends on which enemies youre against, so it's not like league with an assassin or adc always running the same build with the same items over and over
as a former dota enjoyer i had a lot of fun seeing you get excited over simple game mechanics and "op" items that seemed totally normal for me. thanks for sharing your dota experience. to everyone else, just play what you like more
Don’t know if it’s still in the game but I remember when refresher orb was patched in. Shit was insane. Zeus double ult. Lina nuke with dagon. Tide’s ult was also stupid.
how are those things normal to you, how do you counter an instant 20% hp dmg for your entire team, especially in a teamfight? And also, with things like a 15 second flash, things can be so random that not even a good player would know what’s going on, it’s basically league with everything much more broken, so the amount of chaos is crazy
@@nimrodszocs2795 I mean, you clearly dont know the game. First, skills doesnt scale up with levels, but with items (and they are the most expensive in the game), so is hard to get a lot of damage with magic attacks like Zeus ultimate Second, you can increment your magic resistence (with stats or items) Third, you can avoid characters from using abilities like Zeus ultimate Four, Black king Bar negates all the forms of magical damage a CC Five, Like Zeus got his op(it isnt) skill, others have other skills than can and will counter, and if not, counter it with items Six, In case that it really is destroying your team, you can plan ganks (with smoke that makes you invisible even for wards) or even every other strategy to wipe him out early in the team fight Seven, I dont know why you say that like a surprise, I have played my fair share of LoL and there is champions that kill heroes in 2 seconds, literally Eight, The game is so complex that you literally have dozens of ways to dealing with a situation like this, from items that heal the entire team, runes, Roshan, keep him busy, stuns, silences, focus damage, separate him from his team with force, etc Nine, Edit: I forgot about the blink dagger, yeah so? If you recibe any kind of damage from a enemy hero you cant use the dagger, not like the flash of LoL, and team fights in LoL look bore because is literally everyone throwing him nukes as fast as possible and a lot of people dying instantly, and is harder to follow a flashy fight with 15 powers who wipe people out than a normal 20 sec team fight from dota, where you can think and no play: I see someone, I throw all my skills to him I can go on, but I am already bored for typing
Because of the constant combat in Dota, Dota is really fun to play with friends, since you can randomly group as 5 for a combat that lasts for 45 seconds. This also leads to great viewer experience when the pro fight for very long time. While in League there are games that the toplane doesn't even show up because they play Nasus or Singed, and the game end at minute 20. Even when combat does happen, it lasts for 10 second max. Dota is niche, and can't, won't and shouldn't be replaced by LOL. I do hope Valve manages everything better in the future. Endnote: PLEASE WATCH TRUE SIGHT FOR THE LOVE OF GOD. Watch all of them, especially The International one, PLEASE!
You made genuinely great choices for beginner-friendly heroes here. I'd love to see what you think of the heroes that have the highest skill ceiling in the game though, just to know what you make of playing them. Ones like Tinker, Invoker, Earth Spirit, Arc Warden, Puck or Meepo. A lot of these heroes play and feel completely unique even within the Dota mechanics and some of them can warp entire matches just by merit of being picked (looking at you, Tinker). They're also an absolute blast to play once you get a handle on what they're built for.
@@Selthir How is not balanced? In league, you literally can't pick anything else than S-tier "champs" if you want to win. I am high-rated in both games doh, might be different if you're lower-rated but still, I feel like Dota 2 is way more balanced.
@@DimpleTheDragonBy the way, the stun spell where you charge with this hero makes more damage the higher your movement speed is. So you can use your second spell and your Phase Boots active ability to boost your speed just before hitting the target (you can use spells and items during Charge) and do even more damage.
Great video! I think one thing worth mentioning is that a majority of items in dota have active components, which can definitely add to the complexity. Playing a hero like Puck while using 5 active items can be pretty tricky to manage, but super rewarding as well!
As a player with around 13~14 years of experience in DotA, I must say, i loved every part of this video! It was so wholesome seeing you learn the basics and overall mechanics of the game. I'd love to see you playing more :) Maybe it would even be cooler to form like a dota team with your LoL pro mates and see how well you guys can adapt and perform or something, hm? Hopefully you won't drop dota and will even consider the idea above Cheers and gl!
Short answer : yes Long answer : yes it is harder because it's macro in harder which is harder to master in general than micro but league still has the higher micro cap
@@quadq3285 it absolutely does not lmao, he literally touched on the micro being way harder as well. Just cause you play alot of league doesn't mean it need to have some redeeming "hard" quality.
@@quadq3285 tell me any hero in league harder than meepo, beast Master, brewmaster, shit tell me any hero that's harder than a carry with a fucking manta style lmao
Just stumbled on your content about Dota2 and I enjoyed it so much! More of these contents, please!!! I've been a player of Dota for over a decade and it's a great feeling to watch a video of someone who's just starting and learning the game. It gave back memories of when I started to play with my cousin, and up until now, we're still playing as a team. Keep it up!!!
I'm so glad you made this video. This is the kind of thing I need to show friends that ask me to teach them the game whether they've played League or not. A lot of people forget it takes time to get used to a game and learn what characters do and what you can do. The fact that you specifically set an amount of time to learn this stuff meant you had a chance to experience enough to understand why someone might play this instead of (or alongside) something like League. Been playing Dota for like 10 years now on and off with about 3k hours and League for the same time but only getting to level 26 on my account. I'm FAR from being a pro but some of the stuff that comes naturally in it is so hard to explain since I've just learned it over time. I think it would be really interesting to see you do this for SMITE and/or Heroes of the Storm as well. Alternatively trying out some of the other modes and characters in those games too instead of just 1 or two per role. Thank you again for the video.
As someone who played both games but originally comes from Dota, it's kinda funny hearing that items are "broken" like the "blink dagger" when they're are just super common basic items for a Dota player. But same thing probably goes for me, calling League of Legends unbalanced when getting two shot as a support after 15min :D
When everything is broken, nothing is broken. That said, I'll say the one big difference I noticed between the two games is that in Dota being out of position is much more punishable.
@@johnsanko4136 ahaha so true. I have 3k hours in dota and have a sence now. Me looking at the minimap, all team mates at high ground, im in forest and no enemys in vision me senses i shoudnt be here, i shoudnt be here, but one last neutral and than... i die :D
I’m glad you gave Dota a proper try! I started playing in the wc3 days, then played League for around 5 years, but eventually i found my way back to dota and stuck with it. The game design philosophy is so different between the games and the complexity is something I love. So many things to do and impact the game from every role. Hope you play more and enjoy ☺️
Same bro. I started dota when rikimaru had that ward ability and secret shop had a quest. Trax had 100 seconds of invis on a 7 second cooldown. Then league from 2013 beta till 2018. Now Im properly settled on Dota. Always nice to see videos like these.
I was a league player back in the day before dumping to dota 2. I've dropped both games at this point. But it was interesting to see and I agree with what you said for the most part. Dota's biggest strength was how bonkers it could get due to how open some of the builds were or itemization counters.
Loved that moment in which you found your favourite hero. What I like about dota the most is that they are all so unique, that you continue to repeat that feeling as you rotate through them all, and when you leave your comfort zone, you find another hero you love and so on. And then, the cycle continues as the meta and patches change. TBH the only reason I never went back to LOL is the fact that you have to unlock all heroes. When it comes down to deciding wether it´s harder I think you should play more hours. I get the feeling that dota is harder, but after many hours I'm sure LOL has its own details that make it as hard as dota is. One thing is for sure. for the first impression, dota is definetely harder.
YES! Finally, someone who isn't afraid to actually admit Dota is a harder game instead of beating around the bush. I played both dota and lol extensively and have been telling people that Dota is clearly the harder game but that doesn't mean it's a "better" game. I enjoy both games depending on what i'm down for and what my mood is. Even from a marketing perspective it's clear what both games were going for. It's clear that League went for the larger audience group by breaking down the game into a simpler MOBA game with lower entry level with perhaps more approachable graphics and that dota 2 is simply a carry-on from the original frozen throne dota days with a more hardcore niche moba audience who often times played a lot of the OG mobas way back and already have familiarity with MOBAs. It just annoyed me in the past when ppl get too scared to make a clear statement and shy away from fact OR just automatically go "harder = better" argument. The fact is: Dota is the harder game but that doesn't mean the game is better. League is easier but I enjoy it too and many people enjoy it just as much. If anything, that probably is the reason why the game is more successful from a business perspective.
I have played DotA and DotA 2 from the Warcraft III days when it was custom game mod (man I feel old). One thing that has always amazed me is how open the DotA community continues to help newer players into this classic game. While I don't have as much time these days to play, I loved watching your perspective on DotA and appreciate this video as a good substitute. This was a wonderful video you have made and I wish you the best of luck on your new DotA journey!
People also welcome new players to league, they smurf and get queued into your game, then you get destroyed and get called a noob, feeder, tell you to KYS and uninstall. Everyone gets initiated that way, by the time you are good enough and you see another new player, you give them the same initiation. Such a wholesome community, still playing since season 1.
As someone who also played dota during the wc3 days and as someone who recently started playing dota 2 for real I've noticed this too. I'm like fifteen years out of the loop for meta changes and people are nice enough to not rage as a first instinct, which is a huge difference from wc3 where rage was the first instinct.
@@angel1buffyI don't treat the new players like this, because I'm cool like that. It's sadly similar to see this behaviour reflect the "hurt people hurt people" irl trope or the wave kind of abusive initiation in the military, still present in some places.
Glad to know you had fun. As a casual dota 2 player that has been around since the closed beta, I have to say that transitioning to LOL from dota is not so easy too. Both have harder and easier stuff to learn.
@@ravache5660 you can see videos of pretty much any korean dota pro placing into emerald+ on a borrowed veteran account on their first try. Even faker capped at essentially what is gold/silver on ranked dota after multiple tries/seasons. try again with ur copium lies.
The very first hero I played in Dota was the juggernaut as well back in 2008, watching you play it just bring me some awesome memories glad you had fun trying dota that's all that matters in the end
What a great, open-minded and solid take! Loved your editing and I respect the amount of effort you put into learning dota too and how fast things started to click in 5 DAYS. That’s impressive and it’s great to see a new players take. Warm welcome to DOTA from a Divine player and good luck trying to quit haha. If you’d like to challenge yourself, I think it’d be cool to see more content like what your take is on more complex heroes like arc, meepo, visage too.
@@deckardcraigwyrn4401 They've got an immensely high skill cap to really play well, but using the Arc Warden double to just midas then tp/push a lane, or keeping all Meepos together and tab/poofing creep camps can both be effective enough for low rank play.
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EDIT at 4:30
I messed up the position of the Off Lane and Safe Lane. On Radiant, (The Left Side) The Safe Lane is in the bottom and and Off Lane is in the top. On Dire, (the right side) The Safe Lane is in the top and the Off Lane is in the bottom. Thank you to everyone who pointed this out for me!
People in herald(lowest rank divison in Dota) do it all the time.
You cannot play dota for 10hours and think you even slightly understand the game. See you in 2000 more hours when you will still be learning new mechanics every time you play ❤
@@SeanoSylvia2k is an understatement, I’m on 5k+ and just today I went “wait you can do that?” With my friend in a game
10khours 6kmmr here and I still feel like a noob@@okokconan455
u wrote reverse safe lane and offlane 😂
"If everything is OP then nothing is OP" is the best kind of balance.
This really is what Dota feels like to me LOL
you finally understand the greatness of dota@@DimpleTheDragon
Well yes but also no, yeah remember pa , gyro, blade mail, or every Godam patch when it's too overpowered making the game unfun, especially when it became so obvious by making it I win button.
@@vo1ce147lmao get good
This is not true if everything is overpowered some spells are going to be more overpowered then others due to how the game works. it would just create a meta of broken again, putting us back to the starter spot.
This man buys bkb on day 5, after 3000 hours I still go for damage items. That's the 10 years experience he came with :)
We are a greedy bunch lol.
hahahaha couldnt agree more
Well why not it became a very situational item anyway.
It just sounded waaaaayy too broken to NOT try! Haha!
i love that you have common sense, buying bkb and stuff. some players mostly carry dont buy bkb bcs no damage even in legend ancient bracket
As a 10 years dota2 player, watching this is just wholesome, the curiosity in discovering new mechanisms, trying out new heroes, it’s truly great experience
Honestly wish I could erase everything I know about dota from my mind and learn it all over again
@@sagittarius5466yeah, i remember the joy of trying to learn every spell in the game, used to print all spells and read it on my school spare time
what I want from Dota 2. Is All heroes are already free. and you can easily abandon match if someone disconnected. it should have adapted by FCKING RIOR IN LEAGUE.
if u dont play league then learning league is a fun experience @@sagittarius5466
na this dagger things i way too op WTFFFFFFFFF
As Dota veteran, what I find hardest about League is trying to unlock all the champs.
If you have the xbox game pass you will get all the champions unlocked for "free", just putting it out there.
@@spongilpyt4070is it permanent or only for the duration of the subscription?
@@spongilpyt4070cost money tho
@@spongilpyt4070 Paying for a monthly game pass to unlock all heroes is wild (I'm broke)
rly? i got 150k crystals i dont need and all the characters :D
"no jungle position"
....i'm installing the game right now
Jungle is a choice. There can be a jungle position but not all the time
@@kostismetallo8697 I haven't seen a dedicated jungler since like 2016 in dota lmao it really isn't worth I don't think unless your offlane can solo stomp somehow.
@@DingusShmingus sometimes I play jungle but totally for fun
Mostly cores uses jungle in dota when it is early to mid game to catch up gold but also offlaner
@@DingusShmingusReally?
No one played Ursa on your game?
As a league vet jumping to Dota 2. The thing I like the most is that there are always options. Counter picked and abandoned? Just jungle, or go gank somewhere. Stack camps to increase xp and gold production for your team. Knowing which option is right and wrong is difficult, but you are not the only one making those choices. League is like a corridor, while Dota is like a maze.
Ye, dota has more option. The heroes are more fluid and support can easily solo carries. Getting gold is more accessible in dota than league which means you can be your own self one man team. I hate midas builders though xD
I'd say that's the defining design philosophy of dota. Overwhelm players with choices
@@goolgepl2112and drown in them too
So true
I dont know about LOL but dota 2 is really not newbie friendly.. I recommend my friend to start play dota while he was not accustomed with 5v5 play and he got so overwhelmed by everything and start dropping dota .. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
You had the honour of being greeted by Legion and Spirit Breaker on your first game, you died with pride soldier
AHHAHHAHA
Bara has been broken since it came into existence
"Stand proud, Dimple, you are strong"
@@virgilioaponte9756 Khanda+Scepter is winning so many games until 2500mmr... Me myself have climbed around 450 mmr on breaker with those items
bro and clinkz??? lolll
As a Dota player I always felt that they were different games. League seems harder from a mechanical perspective, while Dota seems harder from a strategic perspective
dota is almost or if not harder mechanically too. just the sheer number of items and manta dodge, armlet toggle, blink dagger over blink. yea sure theres no skill shots but thats literally about it
Bro dota IS not even close . Its much more easy. If you die its ok you Can easy come back to line. No punishment. Also strategic? Abilities are so owerpowered that its just about who click R first. Also items are dogshit. You cant comeback if enemy have items .And you miss 2 sidd abilities which Lol have@@claudekim7876
Yeah there’s a lot of stuff like the fact that the vast majority of items have actives and how in dota you can control multiple units or have much more than 4 abilities that adds a lot of micro to the game. Also things like microing currier, quickly swapping items to get more effectiveness out of consumables (by lowering your stats), even controlling your teammates if they afk.
@@claudekim7876I played Dota 2 before I played League. I never reached a "peak", in Dota. Games, even the losing ones, seemed easy. I never felt helpless against great players. Compare that to League, and I'm still learning. Sorry, but League has a higher ceiling, and your opinion is complete and utter horseshit.
@@JsJdv whenever someone talks about skill ceiling for those games, you just know they are full of shit. Every high rank player in both games has reached the ceiling from a mechanical point of view.
For the game as a whole, no one has reached the ceiling. Just look at how bots dominate humans.
As a 15 year Dota veteran this video was very enjoyable and wholesome. First time I have watched anyone talk about the new player experience in a positive way instead of just complaining all the time. It also really made me get a new perspective on this game I have put an insane amount of hours into. When everyone is so negative and doomy in the community, this was a much needed moment of positivity and joy that I struggle to find anywhere else, so thank you a lot. I think you have a gift for communication when you can show so much positivity while still being accurate to the source, without falling into some trite both sides, "good AND bad" cliche writing that everyone is so obsessed with.
one of my highlight loading screen is first match in 2012 :))...
This also helped with the new tutorial system and New Player Gamemode in Dota. So good for newbies
how can u not complain about new player experience if your 1st game against players is basically against people with 3000 hours, thats not even a game :|
I tried dota 2 once, but realized personally that the hardest part wasn't controls, or micro and macro. no, the hardest part was not knowing jack sht about any of dota 2's characters while I know everything every champion ability does in league because I've been playing it since j4 release during season 1. so my first game I'm like "why the fk am I dying under tower while my lane opponent is nearly under their tower" realized it wasn't worth memorizing every dota 2 champs abilities and just uninstalled. learning a game with (at the time) just as many characters as league wasn't worth the time.
ANY new player experience is better than LoL one KEKW
Finally a league player who actually paid attention to the tutorial, watched guides and learned the game. Great video man, hope you continue playing Dota.
seriously... most people from league just come into dota and feed 0/40 x 100 then quit.
Facts learning Dota and you reach this epiphany stage where your like how is Dota so slept in once you get to the point where you understand the game enough to understand how much more balanced and deep it is it really makes League feel immature as far as game balance wise.
Yup what i found fun in dota is learning the game itself and try it in the actual game... until u find mortred with full item and ruin ur whole strategy 😂
@@ailfridha1135 yes, unfortunately there is almost no counterplay for evasion builds. Of course evasion is one of 100 mechanics that doesnt even exist in LoL
@@flymykim Try The Item Called 'Monkey king bar' Counter Item for Evation Heroes . Provides 80% to pierce Evation. And The Item 'Blood Throne' You Have to Cast the item into the enemy to silence the hero and every hit causes True strike
Learning dota was probably the peak of my enjoyment of the game. I still have fun playing games and all of that 4000+ hours later, but the sense of wonder and discovery you get when learning the game can never truly be replaced
I feel that way about League. I first downloaded it nearly 12 years ago - I was so young then everything was still so fresh and exciting
That was the fun part testing new items on the hero playing with your friends 5 v 5 trash talking to each other 😂 miss that good ol' days.
That's how I feel about league, most of the magic is gone and now I spend all my time playing adc and complaining about being oneshotted lmfao.
The problem is these games are honestly meant to be played with friends, in five v fives, that's when they are at their best. This game is meant to form small groups and clicks, where you all team up, talk shit to eachother, praise eachother, you all gossip who is the best, who is the worse, and basically make your own inner local circle of competitions. The problem is finding the ideal league of legends group for you, is legit harder then finding a gf, I know this cause ive had multiple gfs while playing league, but never once the idea league friend group : ^)
My enjoyment in this game having a really hard game like an hour and half just in once game
Late to the party but there's something I'd like to add on here. Dota unlike in league don't have scaling skills, at least with most of the heroes. By that I meant that skills don't scale off on your attack damage or attack power, it's a relatively flat damage with little to no additional damage (with some exceptions)
This is why League fights tend to be finished in under 3 seconds, the damage of skills just scale off with your items leading to absolutely quick fights and easy snowballing.
Is that so? I mean, there are items that scale magic damage, and there are items that add phisical damage. I guess the fights last longer bcs cc is overpowered so players must invest in surviving and saving, but there are builds that kills in 2/3 hits, they usually are cc and die without doing much
@@felipewatanabe7128 I think you missed my point. Kaya and its upgrade just increases spell amp, what I mean is that there is almost no heroes that directly increases your skills damage based on a certain stats, sure there are exceptions like skywrath's arcane bolt and nyx's mana flare and OD's arcane orb, Silencer's glaives and some more, but like I said its very few.
It isn't like League where every champion inherently has skills that scale off from a certain stat
League of legends PC boring game compare to dota2. Cemetery ambience and oversmoothgame to the point that all moves can predict, even a flash can predict lmao. boring oversmooth predictable moves and cemetery ambience with no life look game😂
Faker is just a normal pro player compare to dota2 pro's. Dota2 players are geniuses whild lol pro players are just normal pro player💯
@@felipewatanabe7128League of legends PC boring game compare to dota2. Cemetery ambience and oversmoothgame to the point that all moves can predict, even a flash can predict lmao. boring oversmooth predictable moves and cemetery ambience with no life look game😂
Faker is just a normal pro player compare to dota2 pro's. Dota2 players are geniuses whild lol pro players are just normal pro player💯
LoL is a fast pace games while DOTA is more to strategic games
The one thing I instantly notice from the gameplay of Dota 2 is how just how much prettier the map is (at least to me, a 10+ yrs League vet)! And the games heroes actually look like they could be straight out of monstrous fantasy settings, like the worlds of MTG or DnD, instead of the more cartoony and marketable look League's champions go for. I think for someone, like me, who enjoys monster champions, over the generally aesthetically pleasing hot people, plus the macro gameplay, this was definitely an eye opener to a whole new world!
Nevertheless, amazing video as always Dimple! Keep up the great work. :-)
As someone with more than 10+ years of Dota experience, who played lol for 2-3 years because of friends... I have the same feeling :) What makes it even funnier in my opinion is, that Dota has had these graphics since Reborn, which was a big update somewhere around 2015 IIRC :D Tbh I cannot imagine how the hell Lol cosmetics makes money :D Imho the whole visual part of Dota is just much richer, and beautifully animated, and some cosmetics have custom visual effects on ultimates that make it even more satisfying to use them :) I know, I know, cosmetics are non-essentials, and things like that.... But yeah, I was never really into the cosmetics in Lol, while I have most of the better ones in Dota. The whole steam market integration makes most of the items really cheap - except some really-really overpriced ones ofc. But the fact that you can buy whole sets for 0.03€ and sometimes even Immortal items (which have custom animations, effects, etc...) for like 0.10€... Heck, even the Arcanas, the most overpriced cosmetics in the game (and well.. most of them look really cool, with custom hero models, animations, sound effects, etc... that u can combine with Immortal items sometimes too) which is originally like 30€ is on the market for somewhere around 20€... Sometimes you just make friends, that has a bunch of cosmetics they cannot sell (some cosmetics are not marketable), but at the same time, they already have something that they like more so they are willing to gift it to you just to get rid of it from their inventory :D Like me, I have a bunch of unopened/unused sets/items that are not marketable and I don't need them, so I am regularly gifting items to my friends.
Ofc, I could talk about gameplay mechanics and other things for hours, but you mainly mentioned that you like the aesthetics, so.. I think you should give it a go. Although it can be a bit overwhelming as a new player, I recommend getting some experience in new player mode (which has a limited hero pool). If you have the feeling that it is a bit slow, then Turbo is a fun gamemode too (it has multipliers on XP and money so it usually takes half the time as a normal game), but be aware, meta heroes (which looks "OP" for new players, when you don't know how to counter heroes and items etc..) usually even stronger in Turbo, so it can be a stomp if u are unlucky with your team. But who knows, everything can work in Dota, everything can be countered, and sometimes 1 ultimate can completely turnaround a whole fight, khm... Enigma's black-hole, Earth Shaker's Echo Slam (this has the most satisfying sound in the whole game in my opinion, and it feels so gooood if you land it properly).
@@th3r3v92 bro got a whole essay💀💀💀
The dota verse has some really good lore aswell for a game that dosnt focus on story
and u know what, dota have a mapskin and weather itself, try to look at it, it more pretty :D
Also, the dota2 map has been constantly changing where key points and features and pathing through trees are changed when there are map changes.
whoever is playing Clokwerk at 11:06 is on a whole other level
a whole other level of high, you mean
bro imprisoned himself with his own cogs
Lmao that was worth watching the video itself
I read your comment then waited for their masterful play. My sides hurt from laughing this much
The next level play ! 😂
I love to see the universal reaction to fighting Bara is "Oh my God STOP STUNNING ME"
Having 1000s of hours into both League and Dota2 respectively, I'd say that both are equally difficult to win but in League you feel like you're walking a tightrope where one wrong step means death and in Dota it feels more like tug of war
Yeah i got this wie from dota too i didnt play dota in my life but seems like more chill in leage if u cant land a move u dead if u go from false side to team fight u dead if u buy wring start item u dead if u choice wrong champ u afk if u play u have no life yeah this is the summary of league if u want to play a game like dota but not dota
Você deve ter pego 2k de mmr no Dota!
@ooO-z6j he's right though. It's true that in higher MMR dota is brutal too, but in league, you're walking a tight rope no matter the mmr
I'm a 15+ years DotA player. I really loved this video. It clarifies really well the differences. I played LoL myself for 7 months. I only stopped because I thoght it was a waste of my time to play to similar games at the same time, so I kept on DotA because I love it.
That's totally fair! I'm definitely going to keep playing both but League will always have a soft spot for me. Too many memories from my childhood!
i have personal bias towards dota cause i played it since i was 7 and i want to try league at some point but idk it look kinda boring
i CAME here just to comment this. 15 years of dota 10k and this video slaps
Me i was different i was playing 5 Mobas at the same time in relativly high elo xD i saw the moba genre as a FPS genre, where ur skills carry over and makes it easier to play that game.
@@DimpleTheDragont0
4:30 the off lane and safe lane are labeled wrong, the safe lane is called the safe lane because the creep equilibrium naturally meets just outside the friendly tower. range. The off lane is always the lane with the two towers closer together, and the safe lane's towers are farther apart.
Yes thank you for this! I got the sides mixed up in the edit, totally my bad!
@@DimpleTheDragon yea I kept watching and you referred to them correctly later on a few times. Great video! Glad you enjoyed the game. I went from Warcraft 3 DotA to League's closed beta until around 2016 when I came back to dota for good. Always cool seeing league players perspective.
TI happens in less than a week, maybe check it out if you wanna see the pros go at it in the biggest tournament of the year.
This one is probably going to be sht... they made like 3 bucks and a gas station discount card on that Compendium xDDDD@@bigtex-tv
And the neutral camps r designed for the safe lane to pulling and farming safely
I find it interesting that while you were talking about micro things you could do, at the end with DK vs terrorblade you could've treadswitched to INT to get enough mana to cast dragon's breath and secure the kill =)
lmao bro. thats exactly the type of play you expect from a 5 day player hahahahaha
It’s like coming up to a kid who made a drawing of a rocket, scoffing at it, and saying “You couldn’t build one?”
@@floreaciprian9742 he didnt expect it, he just mentioned it and said it was interesting that it coincided with his point he made abt somethinf else
A couple of years ago it was even more difficult. Orb effects that blocked advantages of other similar items, single courier for the whole team, teleportation scroll that had no dedicated slot and many others. Playing both games it's nice to see them grow together, as Android and iOS acquire nice features from each other. In the case of Dota a lot of quality of life changes. Great video, I can't understand why community of these two games hate each other so much. I live in Italy, and here everyone only plays LoL. Maybe with this video I can at least get them to try Dota
Well there is one answer to your question of "why dota community hate league's community?"
And that answer is the Pendragon drama back in the old dota all stars day. I highly recommended that you look up the matter.
@@vmondschein1739 That is an extremely biased video based on a lot of assumptions. I'm not gonna say he's not awful but it really isn't unbiased like it said it was.
"orb effect that blocked advantages of other items" what orb did you mention here? is jt skadi that doesn't stack with deso back in the days before patch 7.00?
@@fidoopratama9714 Satanic+Mjollnir. You will lifesteal on every hit, except for the one, which procs Mjollnir.
@@fidoopratama9714 yes
As someone who played Dota for more than 10 years, this feels so refreshing to see someone learn the game again. The best part of Dota is learning everything about the game because it has so much to offer! And for me, I'm actually trying out League not so long ago! Thank you for this video! You earned another sub!
I have no idea about Dota2. I used to play Dota back in 2004 to 2010 in Warcraft 3. I still remember the first game I played it was an ARAM and at the end of game I had boots and Claws on Leshrac the malicious lol. I am not sure if you still lose gold when you die but back then bounty was a flat number + a bonus on your level and if you died you lost the gold while enemy gained your gold.
The first hero I did decent on Was Ursa Warrior because you had an attack speed buff that capped your AS for a few hits and scaling bonus dmg every hit. After that Sand King was pretty nice. I have had a good time playing Dota until it got repetitive with Faceless and Troll permabashing people, full tank team grouping mid and winning games at lvl 8-10 because they all had AoE ults and most common all people picking agility hero for no reason.
My favourite heroes were DK and Magnus for strength, I almost forgot about Slardar ganking with -25 Armor and reveal ultimate (would be -150 armor in League). Agility Drow Ranger for the beautiful AoE silence, Luna Moonfang for AoE push and ridiculous ulti, Revenant and Medusa with Radiance and Eye of skadi just because she as so troll (I miss Purge as the ultimate with the silly 5s cooldown). For Int I enjoyed Lina Inverse, Leshrac, Krobelus for straight up nukes and Witch doctor with maledict dmg amp support and Lich to deny creeps and super slow enemy attackspeed with Shiva Guard and Frost Armor+ Frost Nova. As Support I really enjoyed Imbaddon Lord of Avernus because of shield and heal, Borrowed time and the ability to deny yourself if timed right and Vegenful Spirit with Helm of the Dominator running ganks on people and cancelling Teleport of people using BKB with ulti.
Still the most hilarious to play for me were Techies, the hero with ultimate that reset all cooldowns and you just turbo pushed lanes with activatable items and went to base to refresh mana and Terrorblade which had the ability of Metamorphosis as basic skill, clone creation (1 at a time) and as ultimate you swapped HP% with an enemy after a short delay. He was ridiculous at pushing towers and fighting off people but didnt benefit much from normal items mostly focused on stats. I still remember when pushing one day I got 3 man ganked by a fed Prophet,Pudge and another guy. They got me low and Pudge walked into melee to ult me while I ulted him. AHH FRESH ... ministun occured and HP swap was done. that was so stupid and imbalanced but I liked it. What I didn't like were heroes with Bash passives and Phantom Lancer. Couldn't stand playing as PL too cheesy.
@@DanChereches-e8q omg your comment like a time machine, when I was learning Dota. Thank you for the nostalgia
Damn I actually tried to play dota a lot of time and im getting trash talk🤣🤣🤣
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@@DanChereches-e8q 2.53B I wonder if anyone forgot
As a Dota player, I liked this video because you showed how much fun Dota can be as a new player if you put in a little bit of effort to learn how the game is played before jumping in. I've never really understood the obsession over which game is "harder" since 90% of people are going to plateau at a skill level which is difficult for them anyway, so it's nice for someone to show how fun both games can be.
I just think harder is getting used interchangeably with complexity. Dota is definitely the more complex game, but that doesn't make it harder for most people as most people won't get the skill ceiling.
My first game ever in dota years ago took me about 1 month just to get the basic right and not constantly chain feed. But after those hardships I started to enjoy every aspect of it and the uniqueness of the game mechanics and trying my best to get better at it. Even after 5-6 years of playing there will always be new mind blowing/funny items interaction and usage, you’ll never be able to master dota because there’s always things that are waiting to be discovered. You’ll always learns new things in dota no matter how many years you’ve been playing and that is the reason why I love dota so much.
Dota 2 is harder wtf are you talking about
This is herald level of talking, the guy and you never play at actual level of dota high skills knoiw nothing about dota2. Even pro lose to random pub in skils wise. Dota2 has too much hidden shit that you need to learn, itemization, lane control, heroes control, heroes synergy, items timing, rosh, timer just everything in one packet
get good herald
@@axe4770 1 month is not enough to get even basic right. There is too many shit in dota2 that these herald dont even know about
@@bewawolf19good take. People often talk as if being above average good at dota would make em a LoL pro. Doesn't with that way
At the 2:30 mark, I can already see the masterclass editing of the transition, complimented by the “comparison” topic. Smooth af. Subbed by a long time dota and league fan.
One thing I've noticed is there used to be a much bigger rivalry between Dota and League. Now we are all just happy mobas aren't a dead category of gaming. I'll always be a dota player myself and love watching League players come over and enjoy our game. Great video and glad you had a good time!
Love it when Dota players try League too. I started with WC3 original Dota, and its many variants, then switched to league season 1
I give up playing Dota because of invoker.
Damn skill is so confusing.
Now league also have Aphelios which is the same confusion.
In order to be a rival you sort of have to rival the other side. LoL has long since eclipsed Dota, it'd be almost cruel expecting any competition to be going on there. Picture America still being rivals to Great Britain, just because they once were doesn't mean it's appropriate to draw those same parallels into the future.
Dota dead game 😂
@@VyanTan its not really rocket science, aphelios became not to confusing in his theme and kit cause i know that invoker has to take another step to get his combos as well (which is basically just add 3 combos of abilities together) if you’re not confident with memorization you can just build quas-wex then run people down with autos lol
As someone who transitioned from league to Dota. You pretty much summarized my first experience. I played league for 6 years on and off and peaked at plat 2 before i got tired of the game. (I play all roles but i love playing as rakan,thresh,jayce,pyke and kassadin.)
It was during covid when me and my friends who also played League thought it would be a good idea to try dota and "own" some noobs. And i thought. "It couldn't be that hard" and boy how wrong we we're.
I personally fell in love with the UI and just how fluid it feels. You can even demo a champion without opening another program. All the champs are free from the get go and all of them feel unique to play on their own way.
Even in the laning phase, There's a alot going on the map. Bounty timings/lotus/power runes/wisdom runes/creep pulling/creep deny/creep control/smoke potential/and night time advantage. And thats just to name a few. Needless to say, the map feels more active. Compare to league's IMO stale laning phase.
Dota is more of a team game than League. In league it's not too difficult to pretty much carry your own team. If you are a full slotted ADC way before the other guys you can clean house all by yourself. In dota even if you are doing good, a carry plus one is sometimes enough to bring you down.
One thing i hate about this game is the rank system is brutal. (It's kinda better now, but it's still brutal) my first calibration was Guardian 4 since then i managed to get to archon 3. But earlier this year all accounts are forced to recalibrate and i drop back down to crusader 5. I manually recalibrated again and now im legend 1. It's confusing as hell.
@wikijippo4719 pretty much. thats riots MO in general. take something that is complex and refine it to remove a lot of the over complications. valorants another great example. u have characters like omen that can at will smoke exactly wherever they want on the map. in cs go u gotta get the perfect trajectory aiming at the top of a 2 story balcony so u can smoke off A site lmfao
@wikijippo4719just saying fighting people to deny creep is one of the option too in dota. Also in the video is not saying the harder mechanics is better. He just said dota is harder. After all just enjoy the game most of the fans will say their game is better.
@wikijippo4719 Last hitting creep, or even pulling jungle creep out of their camp is kind of early game mechanic. You can play DOTA not knowing them, but it will put you in a little disadvantage. Kind of like wave management in League. Most people don't even aware of that strategy except few high elo players.
And no, more mechanics are better for players who want more to learn. League is made for casual players, but these casual players sooner or later will become more experienced. They will try other MOBA than League like DOTA 2.
@wikijippo4719 Also League is indeed dumbed down version of the original DOTA. League in its early day was wild and full of options. Some people miss old League because it has this "everyone is OP" balance but in a flawed way, more flawed than DOTA 2 but still fun. Over time, Riot polishes League and knows what direction they want to take for the game. They focus more on micro than macro, more flashy ability combo than versatile item choice.
When I said, "dumbed down", I don't mean it in bad way. The original vision of Riot for League was that League is a more streamlined MOBA than DOTA and easy to approach. Since the game debut, that philosophy is still in their core gameplay loop despite the overcomplicated champion design.
@@cloudynguyen6527 S2/S3 league was the best. I had to take a break from Dota since my PC couldn't run DOTA2 on release so I played League for 2 years back in those days. And I enjoyed myself a lot. My Orianna was a fucking menace. Haha.
As someone who hasn't played dota for like 6 years and played Lol since, this video was unexpectly fun to watch! Just to see how much dota has changed. Great video! You earned yourself a sub!
Im on and off on both games and gotta say... While i love dota more and have more fun there league is just easier to get one or two games and be done, less mentally taxing and more relaxing (also more of my friends play it) so i end up playing more league
then man u gotta jump in and play few games now cuz it has changed even more !!!
the maps bigger
lots more stuff
and roshan has 2 homes now LOL
What led to you switching? I started with WC3 DotA and tried league for a few months in 2012 while I was waiting for my Dota 2 invite. So I understand the differences pretty well, just wondering what made you switch.
The main reason was all of my friends played League, tried to get some of them to play Dota but they thought it was too hard etc. So I switched over. I still love Dota and have fond memories of it. So much have changed though! But I will definitely go back now and try and see for myself how much fun the "new" dota is! @@LguanadonTRex
I will definitely do that! Will try to get into some games this weekend!@@epicsucker3388
This video made me feel like I understand a bit of DOTA for the first time.
Dope video.
Dragon Knight is considered to be a boring hero lol. Glad you liked it though. I'd actually love to watch you try out DotA's harder heroes like Invoker, Tinker or Meepo. Nevertheless, it was good to see the perspective of a LoL player on how fundamentally different the games are.
Do not let this man get into Tinker or Meepo or Invoker. It takes a month to learn a single of these heroes. Secondly all 3 of them are cancer (not so much for invoker).
@@thechinamigos6802 c'mon, it's fun watching people torture themselves
Or for his fun, he can try out Pudge. Getting hooks in are super fun.
@@thechinamigos6802 I can play all three. Invoker is my main, used to play tinker pre-rework era (I'm talking March of Machines days). I'm still learning Meepo, not super good at micro. I'm not tryna be anti-fun, I just love learning tough heroes.
@@hojackborseman7638 if you played MoM Tinker, there's every chance I called you bad names in ranked. 3.8k mmr for reference :)
Man this is such a bold move to make with a predominant LoL audience. Hats off to ya!
You started to like the game more once you started to understand the macro mechanics... can't wait for your reaction once you start learning the micro intricacies of the game.
I'm actually quite impressed with the effort and depth you put in to learn the game and give it a legitimate crack.
Will you continue to play it?
Thanks man, I appreciate it! Even though I'm a League fan at heart, I have to be honest about my findings and just overall how I felt playing the game!
And yeah I am going to keep playing, especially if you all want to see more content on the game!
@@DimpleTheDragon try to climb in ranked starting from nothing, like Grubby. Could be great content
@@DimpleTheDragon just wait until you discover Dota microtransactions, arguably better than league!
@@DimpleTheDragonyou didn't even scratch a surface. Most heroes can be played as support or core and as hard carry you usually just ignore most fights and just farm or come with ulti and continue to farm until you have around 3 big items
Well that's the problem. I'm a Dota player for 16 years and I played LOL for a year during that time. Every time I tell a lol player that Dota is more complex, thus more difficult, they get offended. Even if I give them reasons why, and they didn't even try it (probably because it's too hard? 😅)
Glad to see a League creator actually have fun with Dota. I myself played League for 4 years and stopped when the newer champions just kept on becoming ridiculous so I switched back to Dota. I still play league every now and then but man is it different from what I remember.
new champs aren’t balanced properly but they fix it
All chatacters in dota are different, in league everyone is built the same.
Skillashot / %damage ability or autoattack / flash or dash and a strong ultimate.
And no, they dont get fixed because each time they nerf something the make something else broken.
@@hentaimage95 Items are always a shitshow too.
You cannot say that League champions are broken and going back to Dota in the same sentence. As a League player of 10+ years going into Dota at the behest of my friend, my friend impression is that EVERYTHING in Dota is busted. Lol
@@Keijii1 You 100% can say that and it's correct. League champions are broken because they're unbalanced and therefore there's a rift in the power of the champions. Dota has a much higher base power level but thinks are actually balanced so they're not broken. EVERYTHING is "busted", yes, if by busted you mean very powerful. Very few things are broken (meaning actually OP in comparison to the rest of the game).
i'm 11 months late to the party for this video. man what a refreshing experience! i came from frozen throne dota1 ice frog era, and still playing dota2 to this day. had some experiences with LOL but got turned off that i need to buy all the champions.
i hope you still keep on playing dota2, this game has so much to offer. the skill ceiling for this game is way way waaaay higher than other games, but once you get the hang of it, itll be rewarding.
you just earned a sub. i hope this channel grows. underrated channel i say.
The first 98 hours I played Dota I absolutely hated, but I challenged myself to figure it out, because surely its just a game and I'm good at every game I play right? At the 100 hour mark something clicked and I finally started to understand what was happening and it was magical. 9 years and nearly 5,000 hours later it's my favorite game and feels like home.
I love the feeling of experiencing this game fresh from new players, thanks for putting in the time to learn this beautiful game.
couldnt say it better. I just love experiencing it again from a new player perspective. I have over 8k hours of gameplay and sometimes I actually learned something new from new player.
cheers mate 🍻
As a dota veteran that tried league I agree with you, but what I find hard about league, is all the skilshots and quick reactions you need to have. I think both games are difficult in different ways
Yeah that's what each champion's combos and little quirks like animation cancelling buffering and unique map interactions + item interactions come into play which is why there are even instances where if you over step and get caught you die in between 0.3 - 1 second. Which makes it difficult in a sense that you have to be extra aware of what you do and where other team is. Same concept applies to taking down structures if you let a split pusher in League of Legends like Yorick to do as he pleases and decide to go for Dragon or Baron (Two buff creatures) then it's possible for Yorick to take 2 - 3 structures and if one of the lane is open (Meaning No inhibitor) It can result in a loss.
Yea this is the answer. Both games are difficult in their own way.
@@FluxFresh96 lmao the cope
@@jackof4ll lmao the cope
@@jackof4llwell this all also applies to dota 2, but league is really harder in one thing, if you lose the lane as adc in dota, you can freely go farm in the jungle and come back, because there is plenty of space for 3 champs to be farming the jungle at the same time, but in league you cant really do anything if you are getting stomped on lane as adc. You have to wait there and try to eat every minion the enemy gives you and that i find to be pretty annoying. Other then that league is pretty fun and i like both games.
10 years playing LOL, and Im loving DOTA2 now
comebacks are real here.
10 years playing Dota , and im loving Lol , finally i can carry 1v5 without relying on dumb teamates, also i enjoy more the fast pace and high speed fights compared to slow and long dota fights
Baby steps. Good for you! lol
@@JanDarkyyplay fps then lmao, also dota fast af when u play 6k mmr+ matches
@@kyoden1928let the man play what he wants bro💀
No comebacks and no late game are the main reasons why I quit league. In dota both still exist. Also valve doesn't push a meta like riot does. There are a lot of weird things possible. In league that was kinda the case in early seasons but now it's all streamlined and riot wants to have everything under control...
him:micro wise, you have a lot to do.
meepo: "no sh!t"
I played Dota for 5 years and moved to League and been playing LoL since, reason being is because its easier, and the crazy part is you touched on a lot of aspects of both games yet theres still more nuance in Dota, (like how every character has a turn rate, so they have to turn AND THEN auto attack, and some characters SLOW DOWN your turn rate) and such. I love discussing with my other Dota friend about if BKB was in league, or if this characters ability was in league, Dota's team-fighting characters are way more impactful than team-fighting characters in league, but if those abilities were in league it would break the game. I've grown to love both games but will always have the soft spot for Dota, i enjoyed this video (:
I also moved to league simply because it’s snappier and have more fun playing lol
I played dota for 4 years, then moved to league, then(after permaban) moved to dota 2 and they are all easy. The guy in the video sits 10 years straight in the starter mmr for newbies after their first 10 games(silver4). He has no knowledge of either league or dota to make any comparisons at all. The video makes no sense😔
@@just_because338 its from a pov of a casual player, which is like 80% of playerbase anyway
Honestly I like league more because of skill shots, while in dota there is quite a lot of skill shots, but most of them are so big, it's a shame calling it a skillshot, there is more skill expression in league skillshots imo. You need to also know timings of summoners and there is no 15s cd 5km blinks, which I still think is bs, even tho before reborn I played 2k hours in Dota. It's also a lot less cluttered than Dota. Even though league lacks some other skill expression stuff like denying creeps, but playing top and being permaganked by enemy jungler is enough stress xd. I'll say it is just a taste diff, both games are good but reborn killed dota for me.
League has a lower skill floor, but a higher skill ceiling due to how much quicker it is.
I think an aspect you didn't note is the large hero pool in dota being available for free. Since heros aren't gated behind paywall it's more likely you'll see a wider variety of off meta heroes. I've been playing dota for awhile and I'd see in unranked 2-3 heroes are meta but then there's always a couple of less popular heroes. I think this forces you to learn more heroes and how to counter them.
well lol is pay to win whereas dota is based on skill so
Honestly locking characters behind a paywall or time gate in competitive PVP games is absolutely absurd.
10 years ago they used gem system.
It is hard to get the best gems for ur champ when u start the game but ez if you have rp to dump into those 😂
icefrog is the god of balance (although hes been sloppy as of recently)
@@TheTriangle444 IMO since icefrog has been back, (since 7.33 when the map changed) the game hasnt been this balanced for a while before.. i dont recall any truly broken stuff compared to before 7.33. (now that i think maybe medusa after the change was the only truly broken)
I liked your take on the game and am glad you had fun while playing. I've been playing Dota 2 for 10 years and it's come a really long way. They've recently expanded the map and also added a new neutral objective called the Tormentor that is team-oriented so taking it on alone typically ends in a death. I played League for a fair bit, but it hasn't kept my attention like Dota has. The most fun I'd have in League was ARAM or some URF, but the luster fades away pretty quickly. Partially why I haven't played it in almost a year. There's something about Dota that just keeps drawing me back. The events are typically pretty fun, the custom game modes are plentiful, and there are many different heroes that can cater to one's play style. Countering another hero can come down to items or other hero picks, so the games aren't typically one-sided; though the occasional stomp does occur. If you want to continue to play, I'm sure many of us would love to witness your growth and see how far you go. Cheers
So cool to hear your perspective as a long time player! I feel very similarly about League to how you feel about Dota. There's just something about the game that keeps me coming back! I just love the feeling an intense ranked League game brings!
everytime i take my annual glance over into dota 2, it makes me wanna cry that LoL is so....barren of cool modes
I think the thing to remember about flash vs blink dagger is the fact that taking damage puts you on a cd with blink.
Playing League since Season 7(2017) and decided to try Dota 2 last August this year for the 10th anniversary and I really loved playing Turbo with friends. Can't say the same with All Pick / Standard games since games take too much time imo.
Love how you can always adapt your build based on the situation and you're not locked to a specific role (enchanter support for example). Builds are flexible.
Liked turbo too till I realized I am spending too much time waiting to respawn in turbo, so for me standard just makes game more fun.
Turbo is fun but not really balanced. For example heroes that pushes lanes a lot are way stronger as buildings are so weak in turbo. But as it gives more gold and so items are bought faster, I like this mode to try new builds.
Turbo is not dota.
supports can kill 2, i say as someone who has gone on a team whipe with io
Honestly, Dota seems way better than i thought awesome video as always
It’s gotten a lot more friendly over the years. Gold and xp gain is overall much higher especially from teamfights, which encourages constant teamplay over afk farming.
This is provisioned with more item slots, newer items, increased level cap with extra talent tree (skill/stat buffs throughout the game).
Made it overall more dynamic and less punishing, really pushing the teamplay favoured dynamic.
I recently had a DOTA binge a few months ago. I sometimes picked it up and played a game or two and just quit it for League, but I was determined to learn the game and be able to hold my own. I had such a fun time learning all the champions, wave management, items, etc. Of course getting run down by Tusk and Spirit Breaker is definitely the worst. Arc Warden is probably my favorite. It's a Shaco ult, but imagine Shaco's clone did as much damage as him, has his own cooldowns independent from the original Shaco, and can cast all the same abilities that the original Shaco can.
Arc Warden is one of the Scariest Late game hero 💀
He can control all lanes, doing split push of his own.
Killing someone of his own.
Versatile build items 💀
@@corporaldoge815 sadly he got big nerfed in this patch.. no more 50% cd reduction..
@@natnut4491was about time that piece of sht got his nerf
Also he gives the same gold when dropped than a real hero
Fuck shaco tho
Dota feels like a piano while League feels like a guitar
I was just eating and normally watching my RUclips vids and came across this one, and i have to say seeing a LOL player come and check the difficulty level on DOTA with a positive result is really something to respect here. Thank for this amazing content that you made not just for your LOL fans but to us Dota fans.
Great video not only playing the game but also explaining the game really well. I think your first pvp match sums up new players' frustration pretty well. You get into a game and everyone is like played the game for years and stomping noobs. Not everyone has the patience to look for guides and learn everything before they play.... Probably the reason why dota2 can't get many new players :(
Yeah I agree with this take. Most people when playing a game for first time don't wanna get completely rinsed by smurfs so it's hard. I'm just used to it coming from league and I was prepared to do research because that also kind of comes along with MOBAs.
And thanks for the support
And there are a lot of mechanics which you have to learn about: different types of dispel, illusions (which skills and items work with them), neutral creeps stacking/pulling, regeneration of HP (items/skills may manipulate it), misses and true strikes, invisibility and how to counter it, ghost (aka ethereal) form, etc. It is overwhelming and sometimes guides tell you how a certain mechanic works, but you still have to try it yourself to completely understand it.
My man is actually doing a subtle commentary on how everything is reversed in Herald with this offlane safelane switch there. Bravo Vince.
This made me chuckle.
Back in the Dota days you had to purchase your own guardian carrier
Around 90% of leauge heros look like QOP fom dota, and 90% of leauge heros have kit like Windranger from Dota (Skillshot, harder Skillshot, escape, one target burst damage).
the accuracy of this comment to League and this is true to the ADC champs of the game coming from ADC main and from an old Dota player before playing LOL
Dota boss is Roshan
LoL boss is Nashor
When you spell Dota boss name from behind its calling LoL boss name 😂 so its easy to understand lol thief so much things from dota :)
@@mammadaliguliyev8153the guy who added roshan to dota all stars made league retard
Great video. I love how you explain the differences between the games in terms that both groups could understand. I'll agree with the sentiment that Dota2 is "harder", but it can be just as inviting if you take your time and play at your level, not everyone needs to reach the peak or be perfect at it. Plenty of folk enjoy the game (same with league) at any level without needing to learn every niche tactic. Keep up the good work!
no no we league players hate the game 😂
The trick is u don't have to learn anything...it's support fault anyway if u lose
Or mid diff
Dota just requires more time to learn all those mechanics. In general dota is complicated but still easier to play. Even the most braindead champs in lol is at least something on Lina level, while in dota we have such an amazing hero named legion commander.
@@trash4484 u prob never played league then 😂 the only difficulty in league is to practice some combos on heroes that can even do one(irelia, Lee sin etc) and it seems complicated at 1st but mostly it's just brain memory cuz u mush like 10 keys in 2 sec(prob more than 80%, if u are allowed to) and then the game gets pretty boring as the game lacks a lot of mechanics and stuff to do compared to dota..sometimes your best move might be to tp base even tho u have full resources
Lol doesn't have illusions invisibility items to block spells (manta bkb) or in general items with active abilities
the end game is stupid as u might just lose to the garbage nasus 1/8 in lane but who has 2mil stacks now...lol endgame is generally flat af
And for heroes that are dumb as hell u mention LC? Have u seen gragas?garen?Darius? Renekton? Fiora? Those are real braindead heroes( and many more)
@@Vlad-ez8ic I prefer to perform at least any combo than just one shot people with one button while being able to blink through whole screen. In this case dota is much more moba cuz u don't need actual skill, just pick right hero, build right item, and have ur key ability up. But lol is still much more competitive game. It's more fun to play, 1v1 is always intense, there is always some element of random. Maybe cuz u mostly need to hit ur abilities instead of just pointing and clicking?
I actually want to see you playing dota2 more, it's so rare to see new player in dota2, hope there's more of you with it! subscribed!
also you should try press f9 every time you get a kill, it gives you advantage but you can only do it twice a game with 5 mins cooldown tho.
@@exab1264yeah .. advantage
He reminds me of when Grubby started his Dota2 journey
As dota player watching u actually having fun when learning dota makes me remember the good old day when i learn dota it's so fun and fresh turns out nowdays i doomed with mmr and high rank mekanik 🙃
For me the biggest difference when I tried LoL was that the Turning Speed is instant. Thats crazy.
In Dota there is only one hero who has no facing requirements (IO), everyone else needs to face the direction in which you want to attack or cast. There are a full set of mechanics related to turning speed that completely changes the game.
Also, the fog of war in LoL feels like simplified, cant really say why, but the Visibility nodes does not allow you to do as much juking as in Dota (the map either).
Pangolier also has no turning speed.
No surprise he's been broken as hell for years now.
The turning speed its the game mechanics from wc3, and dota was a mod on it so i guess they kept that as a skill and game mechanic when they moved it over to steam and made dota2
Different heore has different turning speed, its a way to keep some hero balanced.there are items that increase turning speed actually
@@Aznataku02 turn speeds are why melee hard carry heroes are viable. Also heroes like drow, viper and battider work
@@danielhing In league, the melee carries are arguably stronger than the ranged ones lol.
One of the biggest differences for me (dota player) is the fight duration, and your options as a hero/player. Everything I've watched and played from limited experience in LoL is that if you're not the Tanky toplaner - you will die in 2 spells or 3 adc autos. Your only options to live longer is GA/Spellblock Items/Flash and killing the enemy faster - fights are won or lost in seconds. In Dota it's way more common to turn a fight and there is so many more defensive options you can buy or talent in to.
Whilst some supports that have built greedy can still die in a few seconds if caught, it's uncommon for core roles to have the same experience even with onyl 1 defense item. There is much more room for itemization and counter play. Coming back in the fight is possible.
Edit: Just finished the vid - great video, compelling. Respect for the effort you put in. I think some of the things you think are broken just seem broken looking through the lense of what league has but make a lot more sense with Dotas wider variety of items/effects/skills.
I would love to see more on this - especially showcases for some of the more interesting heros like Invoker - even if you dont play a real match with it.
Really awesome take and thank you for the kind words!
I completely agree about the team-fights. In League you can blink and it's over whereas in Dota sometimes it felt like I was fighting for like 30 seconds straight which was strange coming from league but cool to experience!
lmao tell me how heroes live long in dota when pa 1 shots u from invis lmao and does it again lmao
@@retardo9633buy aeon disk? Get ghost scepter? Stack armors? Get evasion? There's multiple way to counter act it. It's the beauty of the game. Even if something seems op, there's always an item that can counter act it. Unlike in lol where you just die instantly to a fed Katarina because she pressed E on you
@@interneth7644 retardo has a point but PA is got nerfed so she isnt as much as an issue. The problem with PA was her skill refresh with aghs but moreso the absurd blur break range making it extreamly difficult to find her in the map which is much larger now. Plus she can just buy nuli
@@DimpleTheDragon It really depends on the comps of the team in dota. You can have a teamcomp that has to get pick offs via initation blowing up the enemies strongest core instantly other comps can kite the enemy team for 30sec to a min or so. There's just a ton of versatility when you incorporate items as well. Theres usually an answer for everything
Nice content man, you did the game a lot of justice by actually researching and analysing where you went wrong and then objectively gave your opinion about the two games at the end. Looks like you enjoyed yourself too, gg wp :)
This "town scroll thing" How to spot someone whos never played Diablo 2 before.
As a Leauge player, its SURREAL seeing a competent tutorial in a moba
It only took us a couple years, but at least we finally have it in Dota now
I have a friend who is also a great player in League. During our 9th Grade, we tend to run as fast as we can to the nearby Internet Cafe, the usual League player who always plays without us, and we're only 4 players who plays Dota 2 as always after school, and that where he decided to learn Dota, at first we play Dota 1 because almost every boys in class plays that and we invite some league players to teach them too. so basically we often completed a 5v5 lineup. Fast forward, that guy is our Best Core, Offensive wise, He adapt the League's way to another level, and WAY WAY WAY BETTER THAN ME after weeks of playing.
Love how unbiased you are in the video, and actually went to learn different tricks.
I dont love how hes playing bot matches and playing it off like they are real games though
@@tobias3715 Are you stupid? He has the character names displayed on the models, this helps you learn who each hero is, also helps with visibility, the real player names are displayed on hover AND the right side of the screen whenever they get kills or destroy buildings.
@@tobias3715but they are real matches. Sure it won't put you on a mmr slider but it is dota and bot games are a part of everyone's journey, or at least should be.
@@tobias3715 He WAS playing real matches you blind fool
@@evenjesuscantsaveyouanymor6163new comers can't beat hard or insane difficulty bots, they know how to gank and predict skill shots. So yes learning with bots is a great way to introduce yourself to dota 2.
Once your enemy knows you're a newbie, they'll hunt you the entire game because you're like walking gold. Hahahahahahha
As a Dota veteran this is the first time I've watched anyone talk about the game in detail instead of just complaining all the time. Despite having very low experience and knowledge, you basically covered all of the important parts. I'd like to get into more detail though:
- The Jungler role actually does exist, it's just rarely pulled off. This is because a) There is nothing to help you be a Jungler in Dota like League, which has Smite and b) It requires you venturing off in the jungle the entire laning phase of the game, leaving not only yourself very vulnerable but your fellow friend in the Off Lane all alone against the 2 enemy Safe Laners. This is understandably risky BUT if you do pull it off then you it leaves your fellow friend earning twice the exp that the 2 enemies will earn and you as the Jungler with more exp. Idk if it still works like this, but back when I played it did - still risky to pull off though.
- You touched on the items very well but some things were missed, which is understandable from your POV. The items in Dota are not just replacements for Summoner Spells in League, they are also situational items. They don't necessarily belong to a specific build type, which one you buy depends on the situation.
Enemies are using very powerful abilities? Buy this item that makes you immune for a couple of seconds. Enemy is too fast and they always get away from every gank? Buy this item that stuns or slows them down for a few seconds. Can't seem to sneak up on enemies and gank? Buy this item that makes you invisible. Enemies are invisible and get away easily? Buy this item that reveals them for a few seconds. This one specific enemy hero has very devastating abilities? Buy this item to silence them for a few seconds... These are all items that depend on the situation, whatever you need - you buy. If you don't need it anymore, you can sell it later.
Another subject of items is the stats, aka Strength, Agility and Intelligence. Str gives you bonus HP and HP regeneration, Agi gives you bonus Armour and Attack Speed, Int gives you bonus mana and ability damage. All heroes have a main stat, if you buy items that give you your hero's main stat then they will get those bonuses as well as bonus damage, which help with scaling as you level up later on. These are Core Items.
- Everyone is busted, so no one is. The chances for come backs are huge because not 1 single hero can carry the whole game, even if they are fed. Due to the way the game is designed, you have to work together for results. Going in 1v5 even if you're the most fed man on the planet is still a bad idea because so many things can go wrong - no vision so you can fall into ambushes easily, cliff elevation is a thing and greatly effects who you can see, night time in the game reduces your vision, one hero landing a long stun on you is enough to allow others to pile on and murder you, the way the jungle is designed with the trees allows for hidden pathways towards your enemies for a gank (This means that even heroes that aren't assassins can gank, for example a slow tank can pull off a gank due to this) etc. While both games are team games, Dota requires far more coordination because of the way it's designed.
Overall I really enjoyed the video and would also love to hear your thoughts on my essay here
bruh ima just stick to league dota is like for 35 year olds...
DOTA noob here but isn't Hand of Midas basically smite?
@@Kool212 Hand of midas acts as an item to help you get items quicker, however it is too expensive to get early enough to jungle well
Midas is usually used by carries and midlaners like Invoker to get to their powerspikes while jungle is usually reserved for soft supports like venomancer.
Compiled with the fact that every patch that comes out they keep nerfing jungling, it is not advised to solely jungle in a carry role.
farming jungle is for noobs, if you go to jungle you have to farm 20 minutes in jungle to be decent. to do correctly jungle you have to stack jungle camps. I remember stacking 3 camps at once to boost my carry gold income like crazy. Also jungle should be used to farm as safe farm from lane like mid lane go to jungle to clear fast camp before lane crashes again
@@Kool212 midas is farming item, usually was 8 min item or it was worthless at least in old days. or you can go bfury for side pushing/farming. hard support sometimes went for midas. In old dota wards costed gold to purchase, you had bitch ward role and chicken. the person wasn't getting any items only bought chicken ( courier) then upgraded to flying courier and buying wards and rewarding wards all game. now wards are free so strategies changed
This video was so much fun to watch really. As a Dota player who has given League a try here or there, i think it's super interesting to see how entirely different these games are, even if based on the same concept. If you take a look at balancing for example, there are things in either game that would be absolutely beyond broken in the other game, but aren't in their own game, like you mentioned with Blink Dagger or BKB.
Regarding the title question: I do agree, that Dota is harder on a conceptual level for sure, but in the end it doesn't matter as much, since good enemies will always make even conceptually "easier" games just as hard, i think Chess is a great example. The game itself is pretty simple and straight forward, but despite that beating a way better player is just as difficult.
This. “Harder” is a stupid way to put it. The games focus on different things.
What would be broken from LoL?
@@kauan5527 i feel like recalling could be considered as such in dota. 8s channel to go to base and full heal.
@@kauan5527Low CDs on skills and some of the heroes/champs don't even have mana.
@@thestoebz not really
Speaking of micro, in the very last clip you show you can switch your power treads to intelligence to get the extra mana you were missing for your q to kill the terrorblade
He cant get all the little details in 5 days buddy , he did good and I think he can master the game in 6 months
@@popcorn2826 I wasn't being critical. I was just mentioning it since he seems interested in it and I thought he'd be happy to discover that there's even more levels of complexity to look into.
The fact you can't deny creeps in LoL says it all...
11:40 most avg Dota2 players not using the max blink range, and you did it! Love the vid man
As a Dota player with 6000 hours (and LoL account from 2013) I am impressed by how you utilized your illusions at 8:14 . However a common fault I notice when I teach league players is they forget their active items a lot, I noticed the same thing from your first days of playing but you quickly learned to use all items as an extension of your hero, very impressed!
After 18 years of playing Dota, Dota 2 and HoN last month I started playing LoL.
What I noticed is that champs that are out of the same role play extremely similar, so there is way more carryover if you know one of the champs well. In DotA most heroes have a unique toolkit, so simply learning what each of them do, let alone how they are optimally played is way more work.
Fun fact: the beginner tutorial was fundraised by the community.
The slacks/sunsfan one was, not the actual tutorial as far i know
Excluding macro, wave management and last hitting minions is really all the skills you need for certain champions. Some of their abilities aren't even skillshots.
30 seconds into the video: "OH MY GOD ITS SO LOUD"
I felt that man, that intro has been annihilating my ear drums for years
Man, you deserve so much more attention, this is so high quality for such few subs. Love it; v interesting video! Been thinking about trying Dota and now I might give it a go. Great editing!
awe thanks man
I tried league a few times but always found the game very...restrictive, at least as a support. I love adapting my playstyle and game choices to each game, likewise, I love surprising people. If you're my opponent, you'll find yourself getting ganked way before you expected it and if you're my teammate, you'll be empowered by whatever item I specifically built to make your game more fun to play.
Dota2 crushes league for support gameplay. Maybe not in the distant past when they were just ward plebs to be killed. But nowadays they have an insane amount of impact from start to finish. Can often complete several game changing and game winning items and can actually begin to scale via shard and talents into something freaky. Youll still get 1 shot by PA. But the support gameplay is just night and day. Watching a good position 4 Earth spirit essentially control the entire flow of the game is insane. And even a pos 6 no farm disruptor can decide the entire game with the right team fight. Runes, stacks, pulls, ganks, rotations, etc. It feels like there is always something you can do and be active in doing as a support while in League you truly just feel like a baby sitter. All you need is a TP and a dream.
@@Mrducky78 man i always played adc or hc in league and ALWAYS hated every sup for just existing they all made my lane so much worse by simply being stupid killing themselves not helping me right not warding not playing the support role AS A SUPPORT helping his team, when i came to dota a few weeks ago i simply fell in love with the supports, when i played league i just wanted the sup role to be deleted cause it was ruining so many adcs lanes and not doing their job at all. now in dota the supports are the most impacting role in the role game i still play as a hc but now i love the aly that is on my side literaly trusting the game on his hand cause while i try only to farm as its the most important thing to the hc do, his controling the wave our wards the enemy ward and both enemy hc and sup5 at the same time while also looking at the map trying to see if we're getting ganked or if he can gank another lane to help even more his team. fuck league sup, praise dota one's
What a tryhard! Send ID haha
As a carry player too every single option is a super squishy ranged glass cannon, and every item you can buy is just damage. No clever itemisation, no faceless void or Sven or phantom lancer type heroes just 20 different drow rangers and you aren't allowed to buy bkb/shadowblade/satanic/blink or anything to really change how you function
It was really cool to watch someone who came from league to play dota, a game i have never touches aswell but always been interested in and watch you struggle in probably the same way i would've! This was a really fun video to watch and a great introduction to what Dota actually is and how it is fundamentally different from league.
Dota has so many hero team combos... It goes super deep. Also, your items always depends on which enemies youre against, so it's not like league with an assassin or adc always running the same build with the same items over and over
as a former dota enjoyer i had a lot of fun seeing you get excited over simple game mechanics and "op" items that seemed totally normal for me. thanks for sharing your dota experience. to everyone else, just play what you like more
Come back to the darkness
Don’t know if it’s still in the game but I remember when refresher orb was patched in. Shit was insane. Zeus double ult. Lina nuke with dagon. Tide’s ult was also stupid.
how are those things normal to you, how do you counter an instant 20% hp dmg for your entire team, especially in a teamfight? And also, with things like a 15 second flash, things can be so random that not even a good player would know what’s going on, it’s basically league with everything much more broken, so the amount of chaos is crazy
@@nimrodszocs2795 I mean, you clearly dont know the game.
First, skills doesnt scale up with levels, but with items (and they are the most expensive in the game), so is hard to get a lot of damage with magic attacks like Zeus ultimate
Second, you can increment your magic resistence (with stats or items)
Third, you can avoid characters from using abilities like Zeus ultimate
Four, Black king Bar negates all the forms of magical damage a CC
Five, Like Zeus got his op(it isnt) skill, others have other skills than can and will counter, and if not, counter it with items
Six, In case that it really is destroying your team, you can plan ganks (with smoke that makes you invisible even for wards) or even every other strategy to wipe him out early in the team fight
Seven, I dont know why you say that like a surprise, I have played my fair share of LoL and there is champions that kill heroes in 2 seconds, literally
Eight, The game is so complex that you literally have dozens of ways to dealing with a situation like this, from items that heal the entire team, runes, Roshan, keep him busy, stuns, silences, focus damage, separate him from his team with force, etc
Nine, Edit: I forgot about the blink dagger, yeah so? If you recibe any kind of damage from a enemy hero you cant use the dagger, not like the flash of LoL, and team fights in LoL look bore because is literally everyone throwing him nukes as fast as possible and a lot of people dying instantly, and is harder to follow a flashy fight with 15 powers who wipe people out than a normal 20 sec team fight from dota, where you can think and no play: I see someone, I throw all my skills to him
I can go on, but I am already bored for typing
@@nimrodszocs2795 if you knew where MOBA games come from, you would find it perfectly normal
Because of the constant combat in Dota, Dota is really fun to play with friends, since you can randomly group as 5 for a combat that lasts for 45 seconds. This also leads to great viewer experience when the pro fight for very long time.
While in League there are games that the toplane doesn't even show up because they play Nasus or Singed, and the game end at minute 20. Even when combat does happen, it lasts for 10 second max.
Dota is niche, and can't, won't and shouldn't be replaced by LOL. I do hope Valve manages everything better in the future.
Endnote: PLEASE WATCH TRUE SIGHT FOR THE LOVE OF GOD. Watch all of them, especially The International one, PLEASE!
You made genuinely great choices for beginner-friendly heroes here. I'd love to see what you think of the heroes that have the highest skill ceiling in the game though, just to know what you make of playing them. Ones like Tinker, Invoker, Earth Spirit, Arc Warden, Puck or Meepo. A lot of these heroes play and feel completely unique even within the Dota mechanics and some of them can warp entire matches just by merit of being picked (looking at you, Tinker). They're also an absolute blast to play once you get a handle on what they're built for.
league tries their best to be balanced
dota is just out of whack in that regard 😂
anyway, invoker main here
and yes, hes hard
I'd do anything to see him playing against old Techies. Yeah, you have 10+ years of MOBA experience, but what about a bit of a Minesweeper?
@@МихайлоРедько-т3л I haven't played in years. What did the do to my boys?
@@Kool212 turned them into an actual hero
@@Selthir How is not balanced? In league, you literally can't pick anything else than S-tier "champs" if you want to win. I am high-rated in both games doh, might be different if you're lower-rated but still, I feel like Dota 2 is way more balanced.
I've had thousands of hours of playing dota2 and seeing someone learning it is wholesome.
7:33 The moment you did the vrooooom noise for Spirit Breaker, you became a real Dota player 👏🏾👏🏾 Welcome 😂
Eyyyy it just felt like the right thing to do
@@DimpleTheDragonBy the way, the stun spell where you charge with this hero makes more damage the higher your movement speed is. So you can use your second spell and your Phase Boots active ability to boost your speed just before hitting the target (you can use spells and items during Charge) and do even more damage.
@@ivanaleksandartsanev1693 And when you activate the W and phase boot you need to act like you're pressing the NOS
Great video! I think one thing worth mentioning is that a majority of items in dota have active components, which can definitely add to the complexity. Playing a hero like Puck while using 5 active items can be pretty tricky to manage, but super rewarding as well!
Want to talk about Chen + Mind control full of creeps + Old Necronomicon ? 😂
As a player with around 13~14 years of experience in DotA, I must say, i loved every part of this video!
It was so wholesome seeing you learn the basics and overall mechanics of the game. I'd love to see you playing more :)
Maybe it would even be cooler to form like a dota team with your LoL pro mates and see how well you guys can adapt and perform or something, hm?
Hopefully you won't drop dota and will even consider the idea above
Cheers and gl!
Thats a great idea mate! Wud watch 100% !!
even after playing 10000 hours when u wake up next day u still have same enjoyment
As someone who played both, I appreciate the fact you spent actual time learning the game before coming to a conclusion
Short answer: yes
Long answer: Yes it is harder than League.
Short answer : yes
Long answer : yes it is harder because it's macro in harder which is harder to master in general than micro but league still has the higher micro cap
@@quadq3285 it absolutely does not lmao, he literally touched on the micro being way harder as well. Just cause you play alot of league doesn't mean it need to have some redeeming "hard" quality.
@@Customgamer9 am a dota player lmao, macro in dota is way higher than micro
@@quadq3285 tell me any hero in league harder than meepo, beast Master, brewmaster, shit tell me any hero that's harder than a carry with a fucking manta style lmao
@@Customgamer9 meepo is macro intensive not micro, have you even played dota??
Just stumbled on your content about Dota2 and I enjoyed it so much! More of these contents, please!!! I've been a player of Dota for over a decade and it's a great feeling to watch a video of someone who's just starting and learning the game. It gave back memories of when I started to play with my cousin, and up until now, we're still playing as a team. Keep it up!!!
Wait till he understands that he sounds like Rick and Morty a.k.a Techies 😂
I'm so glad you made this video. This is the kind of thing I need to show friends that ask me to teach them the game whether they've played League or not. A lot of people forget it takes time to get used to a game and learn what characters do and what you can do. The fact that you specifically set an amount of time to learn this stuff meant you had a chance to experience enough to understand why someone might play this instead of (or alongside) something like League.
Been playing Dota for like 10 years now on and off with about 3k hours and League for the same time but only getting to level 26 on my account. I'm FAR from being a pro but some of the stuff that comes naturally in it is so hard to explain since I've just learned it over time.
I think it would be really interesting to see you do this for SMITE and/or Heroes of the Storm as well. Alternatively trying out some of the other modes and characters in those games too instead of just 1 or two per role.
Thank you again for the video.
HOTS, the most fun MOBA of all time.. underrated af
As someone who played both games but originally comes from Dota, it's kinda funny hearing that items are "broken" like the "blink dagger" when they're are just super common basic items for a Dota player. But same thing probably goes for me, calling League of Legends unbalanced when getting two shot as a support after 15min :D
When everything is broken, nothing is broken.
That said, I'll say the one big difference I noticed between the two games is that in Dota being out of position is much more punishable.
@@johnsanko4136 ahaha so true. I have 3k hours in dota and have a sence now. Me looking at the minimap, all team mates at high ground, im in forest and no enemys in vision me senses i shoudnt be here, i shoudnt be here, but one last neutral and than... i die :D
The thing is everything works in its own game, of course if you translate blink dagger over to league it’s broken
@@APBT3chnoM0nkeyYe but if you bring flash to dota it's useless
@@Shadoallcaps Flash= Tumblers toy
I literally felt this vibe of learning to play dota, just like the old days. It's like watching some amazing movie for the first time. Thanks man!
At 11:23 if you changed the boots to intelect, you could been used the fire breath. Talk me about complexity
I’m glad you gave Dota a proper try! I started playing in the wc3 days, then played League for around 5 years, but eventually i found my way back to dota and stuck with it. The game design philosophy is so different between the games and the complexity is something I love. So many things to do and impact the game from every role. Hope you play more and enjoy ☺️
Same bro. I started dota when rikimaru had that ward ability and secret shop had a quest. Trax had 100 seconds of invis on a 7 second cooldown. Then league from 2013 beta till 2018. Now Im properly settled on Dota. Always nice to see videos like these.
I was a league player back in the day before dumping to dota 2. I've dropped both games at this point. But it was interesting to see and I agree with what you said for the most part. Dota's biggest strength was how bonkers it could get due to how open some of the builds were or itemization counters.
Loved that moment in which you found your favourite hero. What I like about dota the most is that they are all so unique, that you continue to repeat that feeling as you rotate through them all, and when you leave your comfort zone, you find another hero you love and so on. And then, the cycle continues as the meta and patches change.
TBH the only reason I never went back to LOL is the fact that you have to unlock all heroes.
When it comes down to deciding wether it´s harder I think you should play more hours. I get the feeling that dota is harder, but after many hours I'm sure LOL has its own details that make it as hard as dota is.
One thing is for sure. for the first impression, dota is definetely harder.
"The spawn of second dad is increasing by 70%"
YES! Finally, someone who isn't afraid to actually admit Dota is a harder game instead of beating around the bush. I played both dota and lol extensively and have been telling people that Dota is clearly the harder game but that doesn't mean it's a "better" game. I enjoy both games depending on what i'm down for and what my mood is.
Even from a marketing perspective it's clear what both games were going for. It's clear that League went for the larger audience group by breaking down the game into a simpler MOBA game with lower entry level with perhaps more approachable graphics and that dota 2 is simply a carry-on from the original frozen throne dota days with a more hardcore niche moba audience who often times played a lot of the OG mobas way back and already have familiarity with MOBAs.
It just annoyed me in the past when ppl get too scared to make a clear statement and shy away from fact OR just automatically go "harder = better" argument.
The fact is: Dota is the harder game but that doesn't mean the game is better. League is easier but I enjoy it too and many people enjoy it just as much. If anything, that probably is the reason why the game is more successful from a business perspective.
Its wider not harder
it is harder just admit it buddy@@hominhmai5325
@@hominhmai5325 wider not harder xD
@@MidaniElden i dont see dota has yas or zed
@@hominhmai5325dota have invoker, ark warden, meepo, they’re much more complicated than yassuo and zed combined
I have played DotA and DotA 2 from the Warcraft III days when it was custom game mod (man I feel old). One thing that has always amazed me is how open the DotA community continues to help newer players into this classic game. While I don't have as much time these days to play, I loved watching your perspective on DotA and appreciate this video as a good substitute.
This was a wonderful video you have made and I wish you the best of luck on your new DotA journey!
People also welcome new players to league, they smurf and get queued into your game, then you get destroyed and get called a noob, feeder, tell you to KYS and uninstall.
Everyone gets initiated that way, by the time you are good enough and you see another new player, you give them the same initiation.
Such a wholesome community, still playing since season 1.
Being real, I enjoyed the vid too but I don’t think the creator is gonna continue playing dota
As someone who also played dota during the wc3 days and as someone who recently started playing dota 2 for real I've noticed this too. I'm like fifteen years out of the loop for meta changes and people are nice enough to not rage as a first instinct, which is a huge difference from wc3 where rage was the first instinct.
@@angel1buffyI don't treat the new players like this, because I'm cool like that. It's sadly similar to see this behaviour reflect the "hurt people hurt people" irl trope or the wave kind of abusive initiation in the military, still present in some places.
Glad to know you had fun. As a casual dota 2 player that has been around since the closed beta, I have to say that transitioning to LOL from dota is not so easy too. Both have harder and easier stuff to learn.
We are still in Beta
LoL is harder.
@@ravache5660 ahhahahahahahaha ur copium is comedy gold
@@flymykim I have played both and reached the highest ranks. And after many years that's my opinion.
@@ravache5660 you can see videos of pretty much any korean dota pro placing into emerald+ on a borrowed veteran account on their first try. Even faker capped at essentially what is gold/silver on ranked dota after multiple tries/seasons. try again with ur copium lies.
Ah yes, 4 farm heavy carries and a bane mid on the first game, what a cursed first match
We really need more dota videos and another opinion video after you get more used to the game...
This was super fun to watch
i second this
The very first hero I played in Dota was the juggernaut as well back in 2008, watching you play it just bring me some awesome memories glad you had fun trying dota that's all that matters in the end
mine was riki back in 2004
Jugger was mine first as well, I thought its an easy hero. Now I find him quite hard to play
"League of Legends is basically Dota Tutorial".
What a great, open-minded and solid take! Loved your editing and I respect the amount of effort you put into learning dota too and how fast things started to click in 5 DAYS. That’s impressive and it’s great to see a new players take.
Warm welcome to DOTA from a Divine player and good luck trying to quit haha.
If you’d like to challenge yourself, I think it’d be cool to see more content like what your take is on more complex heroes like arc, meepo, visage too.
it just too hard, i play the game for 3 years still cant play these hero effectively, the 4 spirit brother is enough complicated actually
You have to see the setup keyboard to get easy switch to these pandas.
@@deckardcraigwyrn4401
@@deckardcraigwyrn4401 They've got an immensely high skill cap to really play well, but using the Arc Warden double to just midas then tp/push a lane, or keeping all Meepos together and tab/poofing creep camps can both be effective enough for low rank play.