Sometimes I feel guilty for having a lot of student loan debt, even though I went to community college for two years so I am better than most. Then I am learn I am also not at six figures in credit card debt.
That reminds me of people trying to figure out how others can afford to go to Disney World, or go often. I don't have kids yet and went several times with my parents or just my mom last year, but I'm debt free and did not need to take any money from savings...I just used my paychecks. I'd feel too guilty to enjoy a vacation I hadn't paid off yet!
I often thought the same thing with people like this. I think the answer is that when you're that much in the hole your mindset becomes, "Whats another 10k on top of the existing 117k? I'm f'd anyway." This is why you should never go down that rabbit hole. Never owned a credit card in my life.
I got a little sad when I paid off my student loan (decades ago). It was like shutting closed the last door to my youth. But would I pay it off early again? Absolutely.
They cannot retire in 5 years. They are a half million in debt. And they haven't actually changed anything. The fact that she is even thinking about "retiring in 5 years" means she is living on another planet. Their credit is so bad they can't even get a small loan from a credit union.
Indeed. Another thing that is shocking is that she stated they have nothing tangible to sell or is of any worth, despite being in $127k in credit card debt alone. It boggles my mind how people can be in that much debt and have nothing really to show for it.
I thought I misheard that… she’s delusional if she thinks she can erase 500k in debt and, then save enough for retirement, in 5 years time! Unless her family’s combined income is around 250k per year and they live on like 10k a year… even then, ain’t gonna happen in 5 years!
This channel has really changed my whole world view. All those people I see in shiny new cars and flashy homes that I used to envy, they're mostly morons up to their eyeballs in debt aren't they? It really makes me feel less bad about living within my means and saving for retirement this whole time.
I know exactly what you mean. I can park my old pickup truck beside some European luxury car at the grocery store and feel envious, or I can walk inside with the peace of knowing that I probably have the greatest net worth of anyone there.
This call is a heartbreaker. To have backed into such debt and be 59 is horrible. Why do they own an $80,000 car when their take-home income is only $150,000?? Were they trying to live a $600,000 lifestyle on only $150,000 income? I really feel for this woman because 30 years ago, my husband and I were spendaholics and it led to our divorce. We had no concept of a budget and lost our business and home. We both were to blame but I changed and became terrified of debt. I thank God that my wakeup call came soon enough. Now I am 79 in a small affordable house. God restored the years that the locust had eaten and I was blessed with enough income and medical insurance to live a modest and happy life). As I said, I could cry listening to this poor woman. Her call brought all the terror feelings I experienced back in the mid 1990's.
$150k is a sizable household income and people should have no problem living comfortably on it. But they shouldn’t be buying luxury cars unless that’s literally their only indulgence.
Based on their income I see a way out without selling the house. BUT they're NEVER going to do it. They want to live like they're making $200,000 a year when they're making about $150,000 a year. No chance they're giving up that much of their lifestyle. Bare minimal living would get them out of their mess, probably, but they would have to do that for years and I doubt they'd be able to do that for a few months.
This is the problem: big house, big truck, cars, fancy vacation, eating out, football game, fancy clothes, private school all using credit cards. You work till you’re dead, and that debt still there.
It’s insane. We are choosing private school but drive payed off cars and live in a smaller home. Our kids know life is about sacrifices and you can’t simply have it all
I want to feel bad when I hear the pain and crying from people like this. Then I think about how they always drove a new Cadillac and went to Hawaii twice a year for the last 60 years while eating steak and caviar. Instead of sacrificing at 20, they get to sacrifice at 60.
Exactly, then they look down their noses at people like us who have a mortgage paid off, yet drive beaten up 20 year old Toyota Camry with 250k miles on it. My wife has many friends.that are like that
@@scotttracy9333 Good for you. If life hits you (sickness, accidents, unemployment) you will at least not have major financial struggles. The freedom if you know you COULD throw in the towel at work (collegues, customers and last but not least the boss). Most people never do it but even the feeling that you do not have to put up with it if it really gets bad - because the house is paid down and you can switch to a very modest lifestyle to live in less if unemployed.
Exactly, volunteer to be a little uncomfortable when your young and healthy and you won't be forced to be very uncomfortable when you're old and frail.
OR - maybe that 90 yr old never made more than minimum wage and thought social security would take care of them in retirement. (just uninformed). Sadly SSA benefit at that level is only around $800-1000/ mth.
Bro if you spend 90 yrs of your life and necer put the effort in to learn a skill that pays above minimum wage than that is 100% your fault. Disregarding special needs people, handicapped, disabled etc. @curiouscat3384
AND that "thing" that you bought isnt even fun any longer its boredom, and being miserable in life that causes this crap. you heard her say vacations they shouldnt have gone on. Thats trying to "get away" from their life....then the debt slaps them in the face ........
I’m 16 years old. I only recently started watching this show recently, but man, will I be following this community’s advice, as well as the amazing guidance. I already have started my own Emergency Fund, starting with $500 dollars. I think the kids my age who want this lavish lifestyle should know the real world behind money is extremely cruel, and very harsh.
@@jkstudent222 well, i’d love to believe that. being i’m still 16, it’s gonna be hard to begin some of these steps as I don’t yet have a solid fluent income stream, but once i do and really can manage everything better, hoping to end up on the right track 🙏
I ordered a brand new civic (28k) in March of 2022 for April delivery. I was going to put 14k down. It was supposed to be delivered in April but it kept on being pushed back. By the end of May it was not delivered so I canceled it. I fixed the AC of my paid of 09 versa hatchback that has been good to me since 2012. I put that money on Amazon stock when it fell to $90 and sold the stock @ 153. I turned 15k into 26k and now I’m buying the car cash.
Make sure you put money aside to pay the tax, and check with your accountant to see if you have to pay quarterly estimated tax. If you wait to pay the tax until April, there may be penalties and interest.
@@AverageJoeDividendsat $28k, that’s an EX or possibly a Sport. The Si’s are up to the low 30s now, as are the tourings. Nice cars though, in addition to still being economical to own.
I pay my CC in full each month (don't get wrong there was a time when I had CC debt and I worked my rear end off to get it taken care of and now I am doing the same with student loans).
Yeah, that interest alone will definitely slow down the pay off for them. They need to wake up and realize that they created a terrible mess that will now affect their retirement.
I find it interesting that their family and close friends didn’t say anything about this. Maybe they have and told to mind their business. I’ve been told this a few times years ago by people who are broke,in debt, and unable to retire now.
These problems are far beyond a 10 minute phone call. Their spending is out of control and has been for many years. They need to sort out their budget, their spending and their debt.
They are not retiring anytime soon, and buying a 2023 car knowing they are in severe debt is mind blowing. Credit card debt free since 2013 never had one since then.
My wife’s sister/husband… 90000 her, 250000 + bonus him, 40000 pension him and free health care from government retirement … they 55/62 years old Easy 100000 in cc debt, 4 car loans, 1st and 2nd mortgages They probably have 5000 in a savings account tops
She reminds me of my mother-in-law. 70 years old, STILL has a mortgage, ton of credit card debt, totally dependent on the government and...now….is totally shocked she is where she is. Stop. Spending. Thanks ~Jim Eagle
Sell the house, get 140k in equity, pay 20 for the car and 120 for the credit cards…suddenly you got rid of 200 out of you 230k consumer debt. Got rent for 1500 a month. You can pay off the remaining debt in 3 months with your 13k a month salary. Start over, you can retire in 10 years
@@BrianW211 We ALL qualify to file a BK. Either 7 or 13!!! PLEASE!!! And the house cannot be taken away. It's FL & protected. Have you forgotten about Burt Reynolds’ 1996 Bankruptcy in FL?
@@BrianW211 This is what I would do ... 1) stop paying all bills. 2) HIDE my money is a shoe box! :) 3) File for BK when the time is right. 4) When creditors call I'd tell them i have NO MONEY & no job! SUE ME!!! They'll want to negotiate and many won't do anything! They expect a certain amount of losses. 5) Rich people file BK's all the time & HIDE their money & lie in court it's gone. 6) So why should she be any different? 7) Ask Trump about filing BK's! :)
I've seen delusion like this in my own family; people seem to think that simply reaching 60 or 65 means they can retire despite being woefully unprepared as if something magical happens at age 65. My mother is 58 and has been talking about retiring at 65, but has basically zero in retirement, and no real estate. As her son, I'm sitting here in my late 30s with $920,000 in retirement accounts (including my wife's) and just shaking my head at how my mother thinks SS will provide anything more than basic needs like food and shelter. I've talked to her about my concerns repeatedly for over a decade but nothing seems to register. We can ignore reality, but we cannot ignore the _consequences_ of ignoring reality.
I thought having $8,000 in debt was a lot. Stop spending money and tell people you don't have money to spend on Christmas or birthday gifts. I feel sorry for her, but she got herself into this debt spiral problem.
Besides my family (no kids for me but an amazing niece and nephews) and a few closed friends, I don't get Christmas gifts for anyone else. I will do a grab bag gift at a luncheon each year (which sometimes is a regift) a few small gifts for my students I tutor (never something more than $5) but that's it.
Ms Tina, Many of us have been in bad very bad financial situations too. 13k a month is a nice bag of coins. Have to live like you are below poverty for a very long time. I would eat eggs and bread everyday before I sell the house. No driving except to supermarkets. You can’t afford McDonalds without a coupon and that would be a nice treat. Don’t meet up with friends or family unless there’s free food for you. No spending money to celebrate anything, birthdays and holidays. Cut all subscriptions. Put 62 degrees heat and 85 degrees cooling. These are some of the things I did many years ago for more than 3 years. Now I am debt free. Still have my home. My 2 cents. Wish you will pull through.
Yes, I agree. Work 2 or 3 jobs and cut everything before selling the house. We were able to keep our house, but didn't even have 1 spare dollar to rent a movie for our 12 year old daughter. She got socks for Christmas all wrapped individually so it seemed like there was more. We call it our bleak years. It was 1998. We kept our house though and we're debt free. It's agonizing and I wouldn't wish it on anyone. It was business debt so we didn't even have cool stuff to sell.
I'm so grateful that God opened my husband and my eyes over 8 years when we did the FPU. We are now debt free, except for our mortgage. 🙏🙏 These Americans doesn't like debt.
In a weird way, I'm so thankful for this community. Not cause the caller situations make you feel better about your own, but that theres a safe haven somewhere of good advice where people are just being financially wise and growing from it. Very good resource to have when you're 26 years old supporting a single income household
I feel bad because they and their kids coulda had a wonderful life. Its sad they are in their late 50s and are half a million in debt when they could easily be millionaires
As a family of 7 we make half of that and I just cannot understand how people make this much money and are this broke. I would say “poor lady” but she explained exactly how this was self-inflicted.
I can't fathom taking vacations with so much debt, charging them ALL on credit cards to make the situation worse, buying expensive brand new cars, and still somehow expecting to retire by 65. They are doing the complete inverse of, "Live like no one else so you can live like no one else."
New statistics show that around 51% of people making $100 or more per year are living paycheck to paycheck… it’s because of lifestyle creep… you make more, you spend more.
Really do you not see how others live? People with larger incomes think they need to show others this and thjnk they can live this large as they will always have money to pay it off. This is the American way with so many.
$156k a year is excellent income but they were definitely spending 2x that with all the credit cards and car loans. I've been there before with a much smaller amount of debt that I paid off but no matter what it still sucks and definitely had to make some sacrifices but I'm just glad I'm on the other side of it now.
we can talk about Corporate Greed all day but the main reasons why so many Americans are in debt is their entitlements and impulsive decision making. This lady is paying for weddings, kids, vacations, homes and other materialistic crap that she doesnt need with her credit card. I personally know many people like this who think that they dont have to pay back the money or that the debt will somehow disappear as they chase the American Dream that they cant afford.
The American dream is owning a small home and raising a family on property you own with a bit of secure assets. It isn’t owning a boat and paying for multiple elaborate weddings and having an $80,000 car and a nonstop succession of home improvement items you aren’t willing to sell. That’s just vanity.
This was me a few years ago. 115k paid off in 18 months. Went full on intentional, every extra dollar went to paying it off, including every bonus. Sold the car.
I think the guys missed a chance to highlight to this woman that her ENTIRE lifestyle is about to change. She has been living well beyond her means, and she needs to be told that her life will never be like it was.
John did go there towards the end. He said she will have to accept that she will be working until she is in her 70s unfortunately. They also said they will have to sell their home too. So their lives will definitely change. She said she is willing to do anything. Her voice tells the fear she has. I hope they can do it.
WOW, bless her, I am not going to put her down. People just get in trouble.. I hope they find a way out.. I was on this show last year and talked on line about what I was going through,, I get it,, I have zero debt but no retirement.
Yes Mitch, 30 years ago my husband and I were clueless about money and were in the same place. I've never felt such terror in my life. Let's pray for this woman and her husband that God will heal their approach to spending. Something that helped me is when I realized that if God wants me to have something, He will provide the money first - although in honesty I've gone about $1,500 over my monthly budget since Christmas.
She’s not trying to go into more debt, she’s trying to get out of her car and lessen her debt. Borrowing the difference from her credit union is exactly what Dave would tell her to do if she could get approved for it. I think you guys missed the mark on this one.
I saw my bill was $121 for the week and got worried. Then I realized it’s no big deal because I budget now and that $121 comes with cashback so I’m making some money by collecting and paying it off. Soothes the nerves.
Rare instance where bankruptcy is probably their only real option. No way they’re able to pay off 127k at 12-18% on their income. Selling their house is probably the only other option.
My thoughts exactly. But my only fear for them is bankruptcy wouldn’t fix the actual illness, which is their shopping addiction, and land them back where they started. It’s a risk for sure. Or sell the house.
This woman sounds so scared! You can hear it in her voice. I understand her fear because I’ve experienced it with A LOT less debt than she has. I feel for her.
why? she put herself here, knew for literally years this was coming and did nothing and NOW she's looking for an easy way out so she can "retire in 5 years" - she should have been scared when she was BUYING the $80,000 car.
I think the attitude for many people regarding high end cars is, "The bank may own it, but the bank ain't drivin' it..." Staggering to see how people have lived much of their adult lives above their means and as they approach retirement age, the option to retire vanishes before their eyes. I started the Ramsey financial journey over 15 years ago and retired EARLY. Not bragging, just so grateful I was introduced to a different way of thinking about money, and life really.
Yeah crazy right. You are blessed but yeah people like to live for experiences especially not and just don't think about their future/retirement. I rather die with too much money, than too little, you just can't live like there is no tomorrow. Always always live within your means, it's really not rocket science.
I feel for this person. At her age, unemployment chances start to increase, either through the body and/or mind breaking down, or companies shedding older workers, legally and perhaps illegally. They could be stuck with big debts in their elderly years.
This statement is BS. The fact that it has 82 thumbs up is so disheartening. Let's not focus on the absolute greed of this woman and her family and instead on some hypothetical company being "evil". These people earn 13k per month! They are not stupid. They knew what they were doing but didn't care.....and now all the SJW come out of the woodwork and "feel oh so sorry" for her. She and her family are the reason why responsible people can't have nice things, not corporate america. The gall to call this show and shed crocodile tears for running up 127k in credit card debt is borderline sociopathic. If I feel anything for this person, its anger for being such a complete and utter douchebag.
They could tho. If they sold the house paid off the debt. Saved aggressively. They're ssi will pay a small house payment or rent in retirement. They need to sell.
I like the optimism. Selling your house to pay off $130k in credit card debit, and you better get your ass to work for the next 10 years. I don’t even take ssi into consideration for my life plan.
Around the 4:00 minute mark, the caller reveals that the monthly household income was about $13,000. And earlier in the call, she mentioned that the consumer debt total was about $127,000 (stuff for the house, stuff for their kids, vacations they shouldn't have gone on......) Oh boy, I am speechless.
I agree advice was a bit chaotic. They were overwhelmed by the debt. The car needs to go though. 80K becomes 20K( Dave always asks about make of the car. It's good to know what people are falling for.) Selling the house is mathematically easy option not so emotionally. Dave 'd ask if they like the house.If they do they have to budget 50K a year for the next 5 years or so. It is a good lesson for a bit younger listerners like me.(I am 49)
They’ve really made some horrible short sighted mistakes by trying to have the best of everything. There’s no way they are retiring and I’m glad the guys told her that.
I bout had a heart attack (not because of the CC debt, which is bad) at 5:03 when i heard the teams message 😂 I'm away from my computer listening to this hahah
Wow. She should have called YEARS ago. Bad news, they are not retiring in five years. That is crazy. I hope they enjoyed the last several years of life because they will be working many years past what they want because of how they lived. They made big mistakes and now they are going to suffer the consequences.
@@genxx2724 Suffering because of their ignorance. I learned a long time ago working in financial services that just because you earn a bunch of money doesn't mean you are smart with it. My guess is they knew they were living well beyond their means but didn't want to face it till now.
I see people just making the decision not to think about retirement funding because it isn't fun. They just want to enjoy life and not think about retirement...other than "I want to retire early". @@BrianW211
It won’t even be that bad. If they sell the boat and car and still live on a generous $5k a month they can throw $8k a month at their debt and be done in something like two years. It’s gonna kill this lady not to go on vacations, drive a fancy car, eat out, or buy a new piece of furniture every week though.
I know Dave is against bankruptcy, but that may be the only option at their age. Problem is that if they don't change their spending habits, they may just be back in the same place a few years from now. Normally, I might be judgmental, but this situation is so sad that my heart breaks for this woman. This is the most emotionally moving Dave Ramsey videos I've ever watched
I don't think they would be able to file bankruptcy cause they make too much money. All they need to do is change their lifestyle and quit spending everything that they make. Bankruptcy won't do anything for them if they haven't learned their lesson and they go back into debt in the next 3 years.
They can easily pay their debts, they just have to stop fucking around and actually apply their powerful income to paying down their debts and selling their toys. They are not a bankruptcy candidate.
I know too many baby boomers, whom I’m close with, who have run up crazy debts like this and treat retirement like it’s an age vs a number. They want to retire this year or next year because they don’t “feel” like working anymore. If you don’t have the means (numbers) to support your retirement, you’re not ready to retire. It’s not a right. I’m seeing too many of people around me struggle big time because of poor decisions regarding this topic.
So many people think their entitled to something. Entitled to housing. Entitled to a cell phone. Entitled to cable and/or streaming. Entitled to health care. Entitled to retirement. No! Everyone is accountable for providing for themselves. You should not even plan on being Entitled to social security. The government wants you reliant on the ruling class so you keep voting for big spending politicians.
The fear in her voice ... this is what you look forward to when you ignore common sense money advice and live for the moment. 59 with no savings and wanting to retire at 64. She's willing to do anything, and I'm hoping both of them are willing to work overtime.
I don't get how people can be so oblivious for so long. She said the car was a 2023 with very low miles meaning she most likely bought it within the last year. They already had $250k in consumer debt at 58 years old, and then decide to go an additional $80k+ in debt on a car. On top of this predicament, only $1k in the bank and owning nothing of value (outside the 40% equity in the home). It's really hard to comprehend...
Several posters have said “How can you get $120 000 in credit card debt?” Here’s the answer: Caller: “I just need to know where to go from here….. home equity loan, divvy it up equally between other credit cards, try another signature loan……..?” Response: “I hate to break it to you but just redistributing or moving your debt to another type of loan isn’t going to solve your problem.” Caller: ……………………………….. (empty air time) 😂
I always asked that how can one run up 120,000 k in debt. However, now that i think about it. The more you make the more cards you can get with more credit lines. Before you know it you're renovating you're house thats 40 k loan. Then furnishing with a wayfair credit card thats 30k. Then inerest and fee's which is 40k. Then little other cards charging useless items and thats another 10k. Then BAM you have 120 easy.
I guess a lot of people are shocked that you could get a credit limit that high, even if it is across multiple cards. My credit limit is nowhere near that. If I was stupid enough, I could get myself into about $30k of credit card trouble but that's not even in the same zip code as $127k of trouble. Granted, I'm a single income family making significantly less than this couple but still, I can't imagine getting anywhere close to $100k in a credit limit. Oh how the other half lives! LOL
I'm a 29 year old man, I'm not in a good place financially. In life in general, for that matter. But this phone call broke my heart. This lady... I can't imagine what she feels.
You're 29. You got a long time to live. Stay healthy, take the next few years to fix your finances and life and you'll be good to go. Just don't quit, keep moving forward!
@iloveamerica3917 see, you have the consciousness and financial awareness to make good financial decisions. That's wonderful for you. She obviously didn't. But that doesn't mean that she isn't paying the consequences now.
I don’t understand how people spend. If I don’t save some money every week after expenses I feel unfulfilled. I use only credit cards and pay it off. I’ve gotten thousands in free stuff from credit cards and have paid only a $30 late fee once. I finance electronics a lot but make sure I work overtime to pay it off without using my regular paycheck.
it is the American way of living, particularly within a debt-based monetary system. There's a critical lack of financial education that perpetuates a cycle passed down through generations. The baby boomer generation is often seen as the starting point for a pattern that has continued through Millennial's and now Gen Z. The prevalence of buy-now-pay-later programs and the broader culture of instant gratification have, unfortunately, enslaved the middle class, preventing them from building real wealth. It's a deceptive cycle where outward appearances often mask the financial struggles many face. The concept of living above one's means, often fueled by a desire to borrow into prosperity, has become a common but detrimental mindset. While having a good credit score and using credit responsibly can hold value, the challenge lies in the widespread lack of self-control. Many individuals find themselves in challenging financial situations due to an inability to navigate credit responsibly. This reality is a key reason why financial experts like Dave Ramsey discourage the use of credit, especially within their audience.
I'm 71 and it's so wonderful I have zero debt. I feel so sorry for her, but she woke up so there's hope for her. I wonder if the debt was both of their irresponsible actions.
Good gracious! Can you imagine how much interest per month that she is paying on the credit cards? I would have a cow with that. So glad I have listened to Dave Ramsey and working to be debt free in 2025!
At $13,000 per month, they should be able to easily knock out the credit cards in 15-18 months. Then keep checking back to see if they can then qualify for a a loan to sell the car as the credit card total drops. I would not sell the house when they haven't even tried paying down the credit cards first.
Yeah, don't sell the house -and- this would be a case where debt snowball would be highly inefficient Paying down the car first could knock out a lot more debt much faster if they can get the balance down to less than the value of the car quickly, sell it, and replace it with something else if necessary. The longer they wait to pay down the car, the more it depreciates.
I was thinking that too rent is super high in Fla. Keep the house as they will need it. Pay off the credit cards even take the loss of the car but get out from the payment or have a smaller payment for their stupid tax
Not really, I've done it. The bank has the title. Once you agree on a price, the money pays off the loan and you get anything that's left. The bank will release the title to the buyer or their finance company.
The problem is they owe $88,000 on a car that Kelley Blue books for $56,000. No private seller is going to overpay that much so they've screwed the pooch
@@monroe7403 I think what OP meant was "when you can't get the title to it". They are going to sell it for $58k but they owe $88k. The bank isn't going to release it to the buyer for $58k. How do you sell a car that you can't pay off even after you have accepted the money when you sold it?
They put vacations on their CC for something they can’t afford for a week’s worth of fun - wow talk about insane !!! She’s living a life she can’t afford and putting everything on CC and now realizes she is up the creek without a paddle !!!
When I first started getting CC I made sure to treat them like debit cards and pay them off in full every month. I watch a documentary on CC and the lenders call people who pay their balance in full every month “dead beats” - yes you heard that right. I use them responsibly and enjoy the Bennie’s
The car is worth $50-60k and the car dealer is offering $58K!? I would accept it and move forward in life. Moving on ASAP would allow them to work extra jobs in lieu of trying to find a loan company to pay off the car to get back the title and to then find & meet people to then buy a car.
At 59 years of age that's a very tough position to be in. They can definitely get out of it, but it's going to take A LOT of sacrifice and discipline. I hope it works out for them.
they're racking up $15k-$22k/year just in cc interest... dude.... and here i was, almost in tears having to pay almost $3k/year in cc interest years ago.
Is there a point where the bank/credit union says "Hmm.... they're over $50k debt in just credit cards and can't pay as regularly anymore, should we stop allowing them from accessing more credit card debt?"
Never ever never lmao Does a casino try and get people to leave who think they can beat the house? People are irresponsible with debt and their finances. It's financial illiteracy and impulsive spending. 10000%.
Yes there is, but these people haven't even come close to reaching that point. They can make the payments no problems. What has happened is that they finally realized how long it will take to pay off all of their debt and then when it's all paid off, they will be 5 years past where they wanted to retire and still have nothing saved for retirement.
I had a good experience selling to Carmax, slightly higher than a private party would have given me. No clue if that was a fluke, but It’s worth looking into.
Don't sell the house. Take a heloc to pay off the $20k to unload the car. That will save 2k a month in car payments and insurance. They can put that toward the heloc or the credit cards. The couple has a spending problem that they have to get to the root of. Since they haven't acquired toys, they're probably spending a lot on eating out, vacations and maybe giving $$ to the kids. Cut that out and start paying the bills aggressively. With a take-home of 13k/month they should be able to clear the 127k in credit card debt in a couple years. The situation is bad but it's not dire because they have such a great income.
Decades ago, I bounced a bunch of debt around for awhile on zero interest cards to pay it off, but I neglected to cancel them as the deals ended. Eventually I had $100,,000 in credit on these cards, and this was 30 years ago on a modest salary.
LOL 😂, how on earth do you get over 100, 000 dollars in credit card debt? LOL 😂, let's buy a car that cost over 80 thousand dollars when we are already over 400 thousand in debt. Many people never think about what happens if the economy drops like a rock which it has been doing for almost 4 years. If the last 2 or 3 years didn't tell you to get your act together.... nothing will.
I'm so confused. They make 156,000 a year and their CC debt is 127K. Cut up the credit cards, live on 30K, and that wipes out that debt in a little over a year. What am I missing?
They have a $400k mortgage. They can’t afford that on $30k. But I also think they can make this work. They just need to sacrifice, save up the $20k, get out of the underwater car. Like literally eat only beans and rice.
They have a mortgage and they have living expenyes. a 127 is only their credit card. They owe over 280 on a home and they have $80000 in carpet. All of these things have interesthat makes the abounces pro every month
Selling the house is bad idea at 59. They will pay more per month renting. And at the current state of the housing industry. They want ever own home again.
I feel bad because I have empathy putting myself in their shoes…. but then I just think about how I would never put myself in that situation. This is insane, it’s childish. They didn’t grow up until they hit 57 and are reeling from the fact that they can never retire now.
It still absolutely blows my mind how someone making 13 fcking thousand dollars a month is 127k in CC debt?! And yes ik it’s about lifestyle but good lord! I make $3500 a month with 45k in savings and NO cc debt. Not to mention who TF buys a 80k car when they have $127k in CCs
For me it’s so interesting to listen to all of these calls. I live in Germany (I was also born here) and here for most it’s unthinkable to spend more money that you have - for example my parents only bought cars with money they saved up before. I don’t know anyone who is in debt at all (to be fair: going to university is free… so no student loans). And it’s so interesting that in the US I sounds like you guys earn so much more money (in comparison: most people I know earn around 1.500-4.500€ per month) but people like this poor woman still end up in situations where they are in such financial trouble. It’s actually quite sad and hard for me to wrap my mind around!
@@streetsofwisdom That's called forcibly taking money from others to pay for someone else's bad decisions, not "free." The US tries to be the "rich relative" and help everyone to the detriment of its own citizens. We also do have free healthcare, for the pool/elderly. Costs more than our military. This couple makes $156k/yr. That's ~$30k/yr in taxes, and they're lucky to not have state income taxes. $12k goes to the "you're too stupid to save for retirement tax." This is also not counting property taxes, sales tax, or any other random tax. Financially incompetent people will still have money issues regardless of how much they have, but it's a lot of money to get taken from you that rarely ever betters your life.
This is why it’s extremely important to live on less than you make and as early as possible in life. They knew what they were doing when they financed every purchase with a credit card. They have no financial discipline, but they make 13K a month. They can easily solve this debt issue, but will their behavior change, that’s the real question. They are addicted to spending money.
I'm in my early 50's and I do worry about getting my retirement up and that's without having all that debt. I can't imagine the fear that some people feel when they are literally at retirement age with no money and mountains of debt. Hearing calls like this makes me realize that I could have it worse than I do. I hope she and her husband band together and get this mess cleaned up ASAP. They make good money, so if they take George and John's advice on what they should do, they may be able to retire. Not at the age they were hoping for, but they can still do it. They just need to quit borrowing money on everything. I wish the best for them.
They'll never be able to live anywhere close to the lifestyle they've been living, but assuming they've made big money for many years, they'll have two nice social security checks to take care of their basics. They'll have to live within their means at that point but at least it will be a nice chunk.
Don't sell the house. Let the cars go and file for bankruptcy. You don't need the credit score, and you can start all over again. Except for the student loans.
Bankruptcy at their income of $13k monthly would likely be a Chapter 13, which would be a payment plan of several years. That wouldn’t accomplish a ton in this situation. Frankly, I would sell the house. It’s one of the worst calls I’ve heard in a while. They basically need to permanently downsize their lifestyle, rent for a long time, and then buy a smaller place later when they’re actually retired around 75.
Their car is a 2023 that means they were already $250k in debt and $127k of that is credit cards and $20k negative equity from their last new car purchase and they THEN bought a $60k+ brand new car. Unless they have some serious retirement savings they’re never going to retire and honestly it sounds like they don’t deserve to. This is worse than the 30 year olds who owe a million in my opinion.
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I always feel so much better about myself when I listen to these calls.
Retired and living on my SS while taking 600 of it a month and adding to my silver pile. Along with freezed dried can goods.
@@musicman7297and?
Right
Sometimes I feel guilty for having a lot of student loan debt, even though I went to community college for two years so I am better than most. Then I am learn I am also not at six figures in credit card debt.
I agree. It is comedic and educational to us.
They make 13,000 A MONTH, only $1k in the bank and still have this much debt?? Something ain’t adding up.
Keeping up with the Jones is very expensive. LOL 😂
She probably goes shopping everyday, buying junk
Addiction: gambling, shopping, d-rugs, booze, whatever.
Exactly
I couldn't even begin to spend that much.
2:22 how can you even enjoy a vacation knowing your 127k in credit card debt
Exactly!
That reminds me of people trying to figure out how others can afford to go to Disney World, or go often. I don't have kids yet and went several times with my parents or just my mom last year, but I'm debt free and did not need to take any money from savings...I just used my paychecks. I'd feel too guilty to enjoy a vacation I hadn't paid off yet!
Delusion and living in denial. Not facing their reality, kicking the can down the road
I often thought the same thing with people like this. I think the answer is that when you're that much in the hole your mindset becomes, "Whats another 10k on top of the existing 117k? I'm f'd anyway."
This is why you should never go down that rabbit hole. Never owned a credit card in my life.
I wish i had 13000.00 a month coming in.... I only bring in a third of that and retired early !!!!! 😁
I just paid my last payment on my student loans. I am now debt free.
I got a little sad when I paid off my student loan (decades ago). It was like shutting closed the last door to my youth. But would I pay it off early again? Absolutely.
Congratulations
Awesome!
Congratulations
Congratulation!!
They cannot retire in 5 years. They are a half million in debt. And they haven't actually changed anything. The fact that she is even thinking about "retiring in 5 years" means she is living on another planet. Their credit is so bad they can't even get a small loan from a credit union.
They're never retiring. Some people just can't ever think ahead.
Most people think reitrement is an age, not a financial situation.
Indeed. Another thing that is shocking is that she stated they have nothing tangible to sell or is of any worth, despite being in $127k in credit card debt alone. It boggles my mind how people can be in that much debt and have nothing really to show for it.
If they really bring home 156000 a year that is 780000 they can be debt free includine the mortgage and 100000$ in the bank in 5 years
I thought I misheard that… she’s delusional if she thinks she can erase 500k in debt and, then save enough for retirement, in 5 years time! Unless her family’s combined income is around 250k per year and they live on like 10k a year… even then, ain’t gonna happen in 5 years!
They were already in almost 500k worth of debt, then when she said she had a 2023 year car I was ready to flip my desk.
"you're broke!!"
Not just any 2023 car but a luxury one 😅
This channel has really changed my whole world view. All those people I see in shiny new cars and flashy homes that I used to envy, they're mostly morons up to their eyeballs in debt aren't they? It really makes me feel less bad about living within my means and saving for retirement this whole time.
yup same with the fancy weddings, kids, and the houses. They are all chasing the American Dream that so few can afford nowadays
Same. Makes me feel better about driving around my anesthetically unpleasant car. At least I have no payments on it.
I know exactly what you mean. I can park my old pickup truck beside some European luxury car at the grocery store and feel envious, or I can walk inside with the peace of knowing that I probably have the greatest net worth of anyone there.
Well said
Same. It's like preventative therapy for me.
This call is a heartbreaker. To have backed into such debt and be 59 is horrible. Why do they own an $80,000 car when their take-home income is only $150,000?? Were they trying to live a $600,000 lifestyle on only $150,000 income? I really feel for this woman because 30 years ago, my husband and I were spendaholics and it led to our divorce. We had no concept of a budget and lost our business and home. We both were to blame but I changed and became terrified of debt. I thank God that my wakeup call came soon enough. Now I am 79 in a small affordable house. God restored the years that the locust had eaten and I was blessed with enough income and medical insurance to live a modest and happy life). As I said, I could cry listening to this poor woman. Her call brought all the terror feelings I experienced back in the mid 1990's.
Only $150k... 😂😂
I’m so happy you were able to change before it was too late
Debt is not something to fear; it’s how you use it.
@@leprechaun367799.9% of the people don’t know how to use it!!
$150k is a sizable household income and people should have no problem living comfortably on it.
But they shouldn’t be buying luxury cars unless that’s literally their only indulgence.
The absolute irresponsibility of this situation is astounding.
She doesn’t deserve to retire. She lived her best life in her 50s thinking tomorrow would never come.
@Joe-ku1ko"She lived her (...) planning skills whatsoever."
Why not 0-59?
Based on their income I see a way out without selling the house. BUT they're NEVER going to do it. They want to live like they're making $200,000 a year when they're making about $150,000 a year. No chance they're giving up that much of their lifestyle. Bare minimal living would get them out of their mess, probably, but they would have to do that for years and I doubt they'd be able to do that for a few months.
@@econdude3811right?? Because that would take discipline!! The missing element in their mess.
I just can't wrap my head around having over $100,000 in credit card debt.... that's insane
$127K
And then buying an $80k car in 2023, ridiculous
They were living large.
do you bring in 13k or ever wish to achieve that income?
Not insane, just gross stupidity.
This is the problem: big house, big truck, cars, fancy vacation, eating out, football game, fancy clothes, private school all using credit cards. You work till you’re dead, and that debt still there.
Correct.
It’s insane. We are choosing private school but drive payed off cars and live in a smaller home. Our kids know life is about sacrifices and you can’t simply have it all
If she went on Caleb Hammer’s show, he would have a heart attack. lol
The entire show would be in a hire octave haha
This is a hard, hard lesson to learn at 59.
I learnt my lesson pretty young.. thank god!
I want to feel bad when I hear the pain and crying from people like this. Then I think about how they always drove a new Cadillac and went to Hawaii twice a year for the last 60 years while eating steak and caviar. Instead of sacrificing at 20, they get to sacrifice at 60.
Exactly, then they look down their noses at people like us who have a mortgage paid off, yet drive beaten up 20 year old Toyota Camry with 250k miles on it.
My wife has many friends.that are like that
@@scotttracy9333 Good for you. If life hits you (sickness, accidents, unemployment) you will at least not have major financial struggles. The freedom if you know you COULD throw in the towel at work (collegues, customers and last but not least the boss). Most people never do it but even the feeling that you do not have to put up with it if it really gets bad - because the house is paid down and you can switch to a very modest lifestyle to live in less if unemployed.
Exactly, volunteer to be a little uncomfortable when your young and healthy and you won't be forced to be very uncomfortable when you're old and frail.
Nah, I feel bad for them because they are slaves... slaves to their impulses.
The ones I know but designer clothes, purses and shoes. I don't feel sorry for them. I was always frugal bought used cars.
"We wanna retire in five years." 😂😂😂 It's this lifestyle right here why you see a 90 year old working at the dollar store.
Inde3d
OR - maybe that 90 yr old never made more than minimum wage and thought social security would take care of them in retirement. (just uninformed). Sadly SSA benefit at that level is only around $800-1000/ mth.
@@curiouscat3384 When I do retirement planning for me, I don't even factor in SS. I just factor in what I am saving in my IRA.
Some just like to work a bit to get out on a regular schedule, feel productive.
Bro if you spend 90 yrs of your life and necer put the effort in to learn a skill that pays above minimum wage than that is 100% your fault. Disregarding special needs people, handicapped, disabled etc. @curiouscat3384
Credit card debt is just insane to me. It's like you've taken something you can't afford and made it even more unaffordable by adding interest
AND that "thing" that you bought isnt even fun any longer its boredom, and being miserable in life that causes this crap. you heard her say vacations they shouldnt have gone on. Thats trying to "get away" from their life....then the debt slaps them in the face ........
But I need the shiny thing and I need it now!
I’m 16 years old. I only recently started watching this show recently, but man, will I be following this community’s advice, as well as the amazing guidance. I already have started my own Emergency Fund, starting with $500 dollars. I think the kids my age who want this lavish lifestyle should know the real world behind money is extremely cruel, and very harsh.
I started at listening at 16 too! Never got into debt and I’m almost 24 now with 30k in the bank. You got this!
Ya'll already ahead of the game young man. 👌
the fact that youre watching this video and also that your profile pic is a sunrise .. you are very much on the right track bro
@@jkstudent222 well, i’d love to believe that. being i’m still 16, it’s gonna be hard to begin some of these steps as I don’t yet have a solid fluent income stream, but once i do and really can manage everything better, hoping to end up on the right track 🙏
You are lucky to have found this at 16. Keep your eyes open and be smart. Keep it up!
I ordered a brand new civic (28k) in March of 2022 for April delivery. I was going to put 14k down. It was supposed to be delivered in April but it kept on being pushed back. By the end of May it was not delivered so I canceled it. I fixed the AC of my paid of 09 versa hatchback that has been good to me since 2012. I put that money on Amazon stock when it fell to $90 and sold the stock @ 153. I turned 15k into 26k and now I’m buying the car cash.
Incredible, congrats that’s awesome!!
Make sure you put money aside to pay the tax, and check with your accountant to see if you have to pay quarterly estimated tax. If you wait to pay the tax until April, there may be penalties and interest.
28k for a Civic??? That had better be an Si! I paid 21k for my Si in 2013.
@@eplugplay8409hahahaha thats good
@@AverageJoeDividendsat $28k, that’s an EX or possibly a Sport. The Si’s are up to the low 30s now, as are the tourings. Nice cars though, in addition to still being economical to own.
I'm stressed out when i owe $500
Right
I’m stressed out even when I owe $5.00, I cannot sleep knowing I owe someone or credit card.
Same
@@Carmen0777 lol $5.00 that's extreme. you'd barely pay any interest on that and can pay it off in a heartbeat lmao...
I pay my CC in full each month (don't get wrong there was a time when I had CC debt and I worked my rear end off to get it taken care of and now I am doing the same with student loans).
They are paying over $1,200 in INTEREST a Month and this woman thinks she’s retiring in 5 years 🤦🏻♂️
Yeah, that interest alone will definitely slow down the pay off for them. They need to wake up and realize that they created a terrible mess that will now affect their retirement.
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this is why i stay away from credit cards
@angel-ij4xv love my credit card, a lot of the time mine is in credit 😂😂 never had credit card debt. Low salary live within my means.
More then 1200$
These people were living a 2x income lifestyle for years and reality has finally kicked in. Ouch.
Ouch😅
Financial Darwinism
They were living a 3x income lifestyle...
I find it interesting that their family and close friends didn’t say anything about this.
Maybe they have and told to mind their business. I’ve been told this a few times years ago by people who are broke,in debt, and unable to retire now.
These problems are far beyond a 10 minute phone call. Their spending is out of control and has been for many years. They need to sort out their budget, their spending and their debt.
It’s beyond a budget issue. It’s behavioral issue and they need serious counseling to help them with decision making.
They are not retiring anytime soon, and buying a 2023 car knowing they are in severe debt is mind blowing. Credit card debt free since 2013 never had one since then.
Making over 150k and only has $1k in the bank is insane.
She said 13 bands a month 🤯
always amazes me how much some of these peoeple take home and still have no money...
My wife’s sister/husband… 90000 her, 250000 + bonus him, 40000 pension him and free health care from government retirement … they 55/62 years old
Easy 100000 in cc debt, 4 car loans, 1st and 2nd mortgages
They probably have 5000 in a savings account tops
Saving this video to replay whenever I'm having a bad day
She reminds me of my mother-in-law. 70 years old, STILL has a mortgage, ton of credit card debt, totally dependent on the government and...now….is totally shocked she is where she is. Stop. Spending.
Thanks
~Jim Eagle
Sell the house, get 140k in equity, pay 20 for the car and 120 for the credit cards…suddenly you got rid of 200 out of you 230k consumer debt. Got rent for 1500 a month. You can pay off the remaining debt in 3 months with your 13k a month salary. Start over, you can retire in 10 years
Selling the home is a dumb move. She lives in FL. She needs to file a BK.
@@nyht727 why selling the home is a bad idea?
@paulmerriwether6207 With an income of $13K/month and total consumer debt payments of $4700/month, they won't qualify for bankruptcy.
@@BrianW211 We ALL qualify to file a BK. Either 7 or 13!!! PLEASE!!! And the house cannot be taken away. It's FL & protected.
Have you forgotten about Burt Reynolds’ 1996 Bankruptcy in FL?
@@BrianW211 This is what I would do ... 1) stop paying all bills. 2) HIDE my money is a shoe box! :) 3) File for BK when the time is right. 4) When creditors call I'd tell them i have NO MONEY & no job! SUE ME!!! They'll want to negotiate and many won't do anything! They expect a certain amount of losses. 5) Rich people file BK's all the time & HIDE their money & lie in court it's gone. 6) So why should she be any different? 7) Ask Trump about filing BK's! :)
Retire in 5 yrs?!? These people are fools.
Why is it these brain dead people make really good money?
She said at the end of the video she knew that was not possible. Watch all the way through.
W that much debt I don't see it happening. Only works if they were paying bills w one n saving one full salary.
I've seen delusion like this in my own family; people seem to think that simply reaching 60 or 65 means they can retire despite being woefully unprepared as if something magical happens at age 65. My mother is 58 and has been talking about retiring at 65, but has basically zero in retirement, and no real estate. As her son, I'm sitting here in my late 30s with $920,000 in retirement accounts (including my wife's) and just shaking my head at how my mother thinks SS will provide anything more than basic needs like food and shelter. I've talked to her about my concerns repeatedly for over a decade but nothing seems to register. We can ignore reality, but we cannot ignore the _consequences_ of ignoring reality.
She knows you'll be a good son and secure her a happy retirement. A monthly allowance of $4000 or $5000 plus her SS should do it
Yep, she knows he probably has a good job and knows he won't leave her out to dry.
YOU are the retirement account
@@rudyardganuelas6254 Yep. Seems that way.
I thought having $8,000 in debt was a lot. Stop spending money and tell people you don't have money to spend on Christmas or birthday gifts. I feel sorry for her, but she got herself into this debt spiral problem.
Damn. Me too. I have 7k in credit card debt. And like 90kcredit limit. I feel horrible having that balance . I can’t imagine 127k in debt 😮
I could lit sort my life out and earn more if I wracked credit cards but these channels taught me better thank god lol. Just gotta grind and budget
It is a lot until it’s zero.
Besides my family (no kids for me but an amazing niece and nephews) and a few closed friends, I don't get Christmas gifts for anyone else. I will do a grab bag gift at a luncheon each year (which sometimes is a regift) a few small gifts for my students I tutor (never something more than $5) but that's it.
this is why i stay away from credit cards
Ms Tina, Many of us have been in bad very bad financial situations too. 13k a month is a nice bag of coins. Have to live like you are below poverty for a very long time. I would eat eggs and bread everyday before I sell the house. No driving except to supermarkets. You can’t afford McDonalds without a coupon and that would be a nice treat. Don’t meet up with friends or family unless there’s free food for you. No spending money to celebrate anything, birthdays and holidays. Cut all subscriptions. Put 62 degrees heat and 85 degrees cooling. These are some of the things I did many years ago for more than 3 years. Now I am debt free. Still have my home. My 2 cents. Wish you will pull through.
"Put 62 degrees heat and 85 degrees cooling."
Preferably not in Celsius.
Yes, I agree. Work 2 or 3 jobs and cut everything before selling the house. We were able to keep our house, but didn't even have 1 spare dollar to rent a movie for our 12 year old daughter. She got socks for Christmas all wrapped individually so it seemed like there was more. We call it our bleak years. It was 1998.
We kept our house though and we're debt free. It's agonizing and I wouldn't wish it on anyone. It was business debt so we didn't even have cool stuff to sell.
Dave "Live within your means." Americans - "but I deserve everything"
Exactly
Breaks my heart when parents dig themselves into a whole for their children. I get it, but not at the peril of my retirement. There has to be a line.
We live in a society of simps. They always tell the wife yes instead of no because they don’t want her to get upset and take sex off the table.
That's the issue. It's sad because they make great income. Living within your means is so negative now but millions of people are in debt.
I'm so grateful that God opened my husband and my eyes over 8 years when we did the FPU. We are now debt free, except for our mortgage. 🙏🙏 These Americans doesn't like debt.
A lot of times you guys say to do private sale which makes sense, but most people are not buying 30k+ vehicles privately
I say she take the dealer's offer.
John's bullet wound comparison was ridiculous.
Dumbest analogy ever.
In a weird way, I'm so thankful for this community. Not cause the caller situations make you feel better about your own, but that theres a safe haven somewhere of good advice where people are just being financially wise and growing from it. Very good resource to have when you're 26 years old supporting a single income household
These are the people who you see and think "How do they afford so much?"
They don't.
I hate to say it but if you’re making 13k take home a MONTH. I do not feel bad for you. You played easy mode and still destroyed yourself.
I feel bad because they and their kids coulda had a wonderful life. Its sad they are in their late 50s and are half a million in debt when they could easily be millionaires
As a family of 7 we make half of that and I just cannot understand how people make this much money and are this broke.
I would say “poor lady” but she explained exactly how this was self-inflicted.
Me and you both bro. $13k monthly is a significant income. The irony for me is that understanding money isnt a prerequisite to earning money.
I can't fathom taking vacations with so much debt, charging them ALL on credit cards to make the situation worse, buying expensive brand new cars, and still somehow expecting to retire by 65.
They are doing the complete inverse of, "Live like no one else so you can live like no one else."
New statistics show that around 51% of people making $100 or more per year are living paycheck to paycheck… it’s because of lifestyle creep… you make more, you spend more.
@@mastafull most of America is living like this and consider it normal.
Really do you not see how others live? People with larger incomes think they need to show others this and thjnk they can live this large as they will always have money to pay it off. This is the American way with so many.
$156k a year is excellent income but they were definitely spending 2x that with all the credit cards and car loans. I've been there before with a much smaller amount of debt that I paid off but no matter what it still sucks and definitely had to make some sacrifices but I'm just glad I'm on the other side of it now.
I heard her say that some of their expenditures were helping out their kids. Hope those kids are willing to help mom & dad after retirement!
we can talk about Corporate Greed all day but the main reasons why so many Americans are in debt is their entitlements and impulsive decision making. This lady is paying for weddings, kids, vacations, homes and other materialistic crap that she doesnt need with her credit card. I personally know many people like this who think that they dont have to pay back the money or that the debt will somehow disappear as they chase the American Dream that they cant afford.
Yup.
Majority keep ignoring this blaming everyone else but themselves.
You get it
The American dream is owning a small home and raising a family on property you own with a bit of secure assets. It isn’t owning a boat and paying for multiple elaborate weddings and having an $80,000 car and a nonstop succession of home improvement items you aren’t willing to sell. That’s just vanity.
@@adamseidel9780
Yeah people have gone from bunk beds to one bedroom/bath per child in the past 20 years.
I love it, who makes these BAD CORPORATIONS so Rich,,,,, WE DOOOOO!!!
This was me a few years ago. 115k paid off in 18 months. Went full on intentional, every extra dollar went to paying it off, including every bonus. Sold the car.
I think the guys missed a chance to highlight to this woman that her ENTIRE lifestyle is about to change. She has been living well beyond her means, and she needs to be told that her life will never be like it was.
John did go there towards the end. He said she will have to accept that she will be working until she is in her 70s unfortunately. They also said they will have to sell their home too. So their lives will definitely change. She said she is willing to do anything. Her voice tells the fear she has. I hope they can do it.
WOW, bless her, I am not going to put her down. People just get in trouble.. I hope they find a way out.. I was on this show last year and talked on line about what I was going through,, I get it,, I have zero debt but no retirement.
Yes Mitch, 30 years ago my husband and I were clueless about money and were in the same place. I've never felt such terror in my life. Let's pray for this woman and her husband that God will heal their approach to spending. Something that helped me is when I realized that if God wants me to have something, He will provide the money first - although in honesty I've gone about $1,500 over my monthly budget since Christmas.
Not needed.
They put down themselves.
great,,@@macpduff2119
Shes got children who will do exactly the same. 0 sympathy
She’s not trying to go into more debt, she’s trying to get out of her car and lessen her debt. Borrowing the difference from her credit union is exactly what Dave would tell her to do if she could get approved for it. I think you guys missed the mark on this one.
Yeah shifting as much as you can from 20% interest is going to help you with that snowball
Good catch Hairy Tornado. I love your content on RUclips.
She tried and didn’t get approved. They are telling her not to use her credit cards because interest is too high.
TrueTrue... Call her back boyz and fix what you said.
Dave gives credit union advice
Lord! If I put $200 on my credit card I get stressed.
you don't need the stress of having a credit card if all you're putting on it is $200
I saw my bill was $121 for the week and got worried. Then I realized it’s no big deal because I budget now and that $121 comes with cashback so I’m making some money by collecting and paying it off. Soothes the nerves.
Rare instance where bankruptcy is probably their only real option. No way they’re able to pay off 127k at 12-18% on their income. Selling their house is probably the only other option.
I agree
My thoughts exactly. But my only fear for them is bankruptcy wouldn’t fix the actual illness, which is their shopping addiction, and land them back where they started.
It’s a risk for sure. Or sell the house.
Bankruptcy you never learn. Root cause is yourself. Time to pay stupid tax and learn something before your right back into it
They are making 13k per month. They wont let them bankrupt, will they?
@@lagarde2011 Or as others suggested they have addiction problems: Shopping, alcohol and drugs etc ..
This woman sounds so scared! You can hear it in her voice. I understand her fear because I’ve experienced it with A LOT less debt than she has. I feel for her.
why? she put herself here, knew for literally years this was coming and did nothing and NOW she's looking for an easy way out so she can "retire in 5 years" - she should have been scared when she was BUYING the $80,000 car.
She gave us a lesson so we don't have to learn the hard way😢 at least we can thank her.
💯
I think the attitude for many people regarding high end cars is, "The bank may own it, but the bank ain't drivin' it..." Staggering to see how people have lived much of their adult lives above their means and as they approach retirement age, the option to retire vanishes before their eyes. I started the Ramsey financial journey over 15 years ago and retired EARLY. Not bragging, just so grateful I was introduced to a different way of thinking about money, and life really.
Yeah crazy right. You are blessed but yeah people like to live for experiences especially not and just don't think about their future/retirement. I rather die with too much money, than too little, you just can't live like there is no tomorrow. Always always live within your means, it's really not rocket science.
We can learn from others.. praying for her!!!
Yes, let's pray for this couple. She is beyond the point of rebuke or criticism
Me too. So sad.
I'm $2K in credit card debt and I'm so worried. Believe it or not, inflation hit me hard for last two years. Everything went up but my salary.
I feel you; I'm literally thinking about every damn purchases I make because it's so expensive now
Same here
I feel for this person. At her age, unemployment chances start to increase, either through the body and/or mind breaking down, or companies shedding older workers, legally and perhaps illegally. They could be stuck with big debts in their elderly years.
Bingo this is about the time corporate American looks at these people as healthcare cost liabilities.
Ouch
Yes. They are at the age where it is too late to make a major career change. Costco might hire her for $16 an hour but that won’t solve anything.
Why? They bought an 80k dollar car.
This statement is BS. The fact that it has 82 thumbs up is so disheartening. Let's not focus on the absolute greed of this woman and her family and instead on some hypothetical company being "evil". These people earn 13k per month! They are not stupid. They knew what they were doing but didn't care.....and now all the SJW come out of the woodwork and "feel oh so sorry" for her.
She and her family are the reason why responsible people can't have nice things, not corporate america. The gall to call this show and shed crocodile tears for running up 127k in credit card debt is borderline sociopathic.
If I feel anything for this person, its anger for being such a complete and utter douchebag.
“We’re trying to retire in 5 years” 😂😂😂😂😂
They could tho. If they sold the house paid off the debt. Saved aggressively. They're ssi will pay a small house payment or rent in retirement. They need to sell.
I like the optimism. Selling your house to pay off $130k in credit card debit, and you better get your ass to work for the next 10 years.
I don’t even take ssi into consideration for my life plan.
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@@tammyturowski6703 You know thats not going to happen.
Around the 4:00 minute mark, the caller reveals that the monthly household income was about $13,000. And earlier in the call, she mentioned that the consumer debt total was about $127,000 (stuff for the house, stuff for their kids, vacations they shouldn't have gone on......) Oh boy, I am speechless.
That’s their monthly income.
I can’t even imagine making that much monthly 😳
@@eclipse.5295 Crazy that still wasn't enough for them to live the life they want and felt the need to go into credit card debt.
I agree advice was a bit chaotic. They were overwhelmed by the debt. The car needs to go though. 80K becomes 20K( Dave always asks about make of the car. It's good to know what people are falling for.) Selling the house is mathematically easy option not so emotionally. Dave 'd ask if they like the house.If they do they have to budget 50K a year for the next 5 years or so. It is a good lesson for a bit younger listerners like me.(I am 49)
they have other consumer debt. 127k was just the credit cards
They’ve really made some horrible short sighted mistakes by trying to have the best of everything. There’s no way they are retiring and I’m glad the guys told her that.
Lifestyle creep is a reaaal thing.
People make choices. Those of us who live frugally and invest deserve to enjoy a carefree retirement.
People make choices. Those of us who live frugally and invest deserve to enjoy a carefree retirement.
Everybody deserves that. @@genxx2724
I bout had a heart attack (not because of the CC debt, which is bad) at 5:03 when i heard the teams message 😂 I'm away from my computer listening to this hahah
I know. It happens twice too! I had to replay the video to make sure it wasn't for me.
I looked at my computer thinking someone sent me a message. Lol
😂
I had to replay the video to make sure I wasn't hallucinating.
Wow. She should have called YEARS ago. Bad news, they are not retiring in five years. That is crazy. I hope they enjoyed the last several years of life because they will be working many years past what they want because of how they lived. They made big mistakes and now they are going to suffer the consequences.
It’s not really suffering. They already had more than their share of enjoyment.
@@genxx2724 Suffering because of their ignorance. I learned a long time ago working in financial services that just because you earn a bunch of money doesn't mean you are smart with it. My guess is they knew they were living well beyond their means but didn't want to face it till now.
It didn't hurt bad enough years ago.
I see people just making the decision not to think about retirement funding because it isn't fun. They just want to enjoy life and not think about retirement...other than "I want to retire early". @@BrianW211
It won’t even be that bad. If they sell the boat and car and still live on a generous $5k a month they can throw $8k a month at their debt and be done in something like two years. It’s gonna kill this lady not to go on vacations, drive a fancy car, eat out, or buy a new piece of furniture every week though.
I owe $110 to my dentist and I'm annoyed about it. I couldn't even imagine this.
I know Dave is against bankruptcy, but that may be the only option at their age. Problem is that if they don't change their spending habits, they may just be back in the same place a few years from now. Normally, I might be judgmental, but this situation is so sad that my heart breaks for this woman. This is the most emotionally moving Dave Ramsey videos I've ever watched
It's only trading one set of problems for another.
I don't think they would be able to file bankruptcy cause they make too much money. All they need to do is change their lifestyle and quit spending everything that they make. Bankruptcy won't do anything for them if they haven't learned their lesson and they go back into debt in the next 3 years.
They do not qualify for bankruptcy
They can easily pay their debts, they just have to stop fucking around and actually apply their powerful income to paying down their debts and selling their toys. They are not a bankruptcy candidate.
Dave would’ve gave better advice than these two bozos
I know too many baby boomers, whom I’m close with, who have run up crazy debts like this and treat retirement like it’s an age vs a number. They want to retire this year or next year because they don’t “feel” like working anymore. If you don’t have the means (numbers) to support your retirement, you’re not ready to retire. It’s not a right. I’m seeing too many of people around me struggle big time because of poor decisions regarding this topic.
Indeed they are
So many people think their entitled to something. Entitled to housing. Entitled to a cell phone. Entitled to cable and/or streaming. Entitled to health care. Entitled to retirement. No! Everyone is accountable for providing for themselves. You should not even plan on being Entitled to social security. The government wants you reliant on the ruling class so you keep voting for big spending politicians.
The fear in her voice ... this is what you look forward to when you ignore common sense money advice and live for the moment.
59 with no savings and wanting to retire at 64.
She's willing to do anything, and I'm hoping both of them are willing to work overtime.
I’m 64 and I still work (because I want to, not because I have to). I can’t imagine my survival depends on me having to work overtime at my age.
I don't get how people can be so oblivious for so long. She said the car was a 2023 with very low miles meaning she most likely bought it within the last year. They already had $250k in consumer debt at 58 years old, and then decide to go an additional $80k+ in debt on a car. On top of this predicament, only $1k in the bank and owning nothing of value (outside the 40% equity in the home). It's really hard to comprehend...
Look, I live in Argentina and the annual salary here is 2,400 USD, so 127,000 dollars in debt would be about 53 years of work. I instantly feel better
Weak comparison. You also have to take into account cost of living.
@@spankynater4242 argentina it's expensive
@@spankynater4242 costo of living in Argentina IS EXPENSIVE
Several posters have said “How can you get $120 000 in credit card debt?”
Here’s the answer:
Caller: “I just need to know where to go from here….. home equity loan, divvy it up equally between other credit cards, try another signature loan……..?”
Response: “I hate to break it to you but just redistributing or moving your debt to another type of loan isn’t going to solve your problem.”
Caller: ……………………………….. (empty air time) 😂
It may help.
I always asked that how can one run up 120,000 k in debt. However, now that i think about it. The more you make the more cards you can get with more credit lines. Before you know it you're renovating you're house thats 40 k loan. Then furnishing with a wayfair credit card thats 30k. Then inerest and fee's which is 40k. Then little other cards charging useless items and thats another 10k. Then BAM you have 120 easy.
I guess a lot of people are shocked that you could get a credit limit that high, even if it is across multiple cards. My credit limit is nowhere near that. If I was stupid enough, I could get myself into about $30k of credit card trouble but that's not even in the same zip code as $127k of trouble. Granted, I'm a single income family making significantly less than this couple but still, I can't imagine getting anywhere close to $100k in a credit limit. Oh how the other half lives! LOL
Yes, they had a huge line of credit. Possibly multiple credit cards @@darkbee2359
@@darkbee2359If it’s available it’s pretty easy to max out after a few vacations and helping out your kids if you don’t have a responsible mindset.
I'm a 29 year old man, I'm not in a good place financially. In life in general, for that matter.
But this phone call broke my heart. This lady... I can't imagine what she feels.
You're 29. You got a long time to live. Stay healthy, take the next few years to fix your finances and life and you'll be good to go. Just don't quit, keep moving forward!
@@GAFB1122 thank you. Very kind of you.
Don't worry too much about her. She was smiling big on those vacations and when they drove a new car off the lot.
@iloveamerica3917 see, you have the consciousness and financial awareness to make good financial decisions. That's wonderful for you. She obviously didn't. But that doesn't mean that she isn't paying the consequences now.
I don’t understand how people spend. If I don’t save some money every week after expenses I feel unfulfilled. I use only credit cards and pay it off. I’ve gotten thousands in free stuff from credit cards and have paid only a $30 late fee once. I finance electronics a lot but make sure I work overtime to pay it off without using my regular paycheck.
it is the American way of living, particularly within a debt-based monetary system. There's a critical lack of financial education that perpetuates a cycle passed down through generations. The baby boomer generation is often seen as the starting point for a pattern that has continued through Millennial's and now Gen Z.
The prevalence of buy-now-pay-later programs and the broader culture of instant gratification have, unfortunately, enslaved the middle class, preventing them from building real wealth. It's a deceptive cycle where outward appearances often mask the financial struggles many face. The concept of living above one's means, often fueled by a desire to borrow into prosperity, has become a common but detrimental mindset.
While having a good credit score and using credit responsibly can hold value, the challenge lies in the widespread lack of self-control. Many individuals find themselves in challenging financial situations due to an inability to navigate credit responsibly. This reality is a key reason why financial experts like Dave Ramsey discourage the use of credit, especially within their audience.
So nice😊
life happens G
Ok nerd
I'm 71 and it's so wonderful I have zero debt. I feel so sorry for her, but she woke up so there's hope for her. I wonder if the debt was both of their irresponsible actions.
Good gracious! Can you imagine how much interest per month that she is paying on the credit cards? I would have a cow with that. So glad I have listened to Dave Ramsey and working to be debt free in 2025!
At $13,000 per month, they should be able to easily knock out the credit cards in 15-18 months. Then keep checking back to see if they can then qualify for a a loan to sell the car as the credit card total drops. I would not sell the house when they haven't even tried paying down the credit cards first.
I totally agree that they should NOT sell the house. The associated fees with a house sale and move makes no sense
@@macpduff2119 Agree. And a good chance their new house payment would be higher.
Yeah, don't sell the house -and- this would be a case where debt snowball would be highly inefficient Paying down the car first could knock out a lot more debt much faster if they can get the balance down to less than the value of the car quickly, sell it, and replace it with something else if necessary. The longer they wait to pay down the car, the more it depreciates.
I was thinking that too rent is super high in Fla. Keep the house as they will need it. Pay off the credit cards even take the loss of the car but get out from the payment or have a smaller payment for their stupid tax
Hard to sell a vehicle via private sale when you don't have the title to it.
Not really, I've done it. The bank has the title. Once you agree on a price, the money pays off the loan and you get anything that's left. The bank will release the title to the buyer or their finance company.
Excellent point. They also can't stage and sell their house
The problem is they owe $88,000 on a car that Kelley Blue books for $56,000. No private seller is going to overpay that much so they've screwed the pooch
@@monroe7403 I think what OP meant was "when you can't get the title to it". They are going to sell it for $58k but they owe $88k. The bank isn't going to release it to the buyer for $58k. How do you sell a car that you can't pay off even after you have accepted the money when you sold it?
They put vacations on their CC for something they can’t afford for a week’s worth of fun - wow talk about insane !!! She’s living a life she can’t afford and putting everything on CC and now realizes she is up the creek without a paddle !!!
When I first started getting CC I made sure to treat them like debit cards and pay them off in full every month.
I watch a documentary on CC and the lenders call people who pay their balance in full every month “dead beats” - yes you heard that right.
I use them responsibly and enjoy the Bennie’s
The car is worth $50-60k and the car dealer is offering $58K!? I would accept it and move forward in life. Moving on ASAP would allow them to work extra jobs in lieu of trying to find a loan company to pay off the car to get back the title and to then find & meet people to then buy a car.
Problem is they owe $88k on the car (they kept rolling negative equity into the next loan)
Yeah, but where are they going to get the other $30k?
Their problems is getting the $88K loan. Will be easier to get the $30K loan. Whether through a personal loan or a HELOC.
@@bradleymaravalli2851 Why would they be looking for an $88k loan? They already have an $88k loan. They only need a $30k loan.
Exactly take the offer and the loss but it will get it off their balance sheet and then tackle the credit debt. Get er done
At 59 years of age that's a very tough position to be in. They can definitely get out of it, but it's going to take A LOT of sacrifice and discipline. I hope it works out for them.
they're racking up $15k-$22k/year just in cc interest... dude.... and here i was, almost in tears having to pay almost $3k/year in cc interest years ago.
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Is there a point where the bank/credit union says "Hmm.... they're over $50k debt in just credit cards and can't pay as regularly anymore, should we stop allowing them from accessing more credit card debt?"
Never ever never lmao
Does a casino try and get people to leave who think they can beat the house?
People are irresponsible with debt and their finances. It's financial illiteracy and impulsive spending. 10000%.
Yes there is, but these people haven't even come close to reaching that point. They can make the payments no problems. What has happened is that they finally realized how long it will take to pay off all of their debt and then when it's all paid off, they will be 5 years past where they wanted to retire and still have nothing saved for retirement.
They're still paying. Banks r making 30%. They'll keep lending
Going to be tough trying to sell a car that expensive via private party. I would get quotes from as many online car buying sites as possible.
Especially since she doesn't have a title to it.
I had a good experience selling to Carmax, slightly higher than a private party would have given me. No clue if that was a fluke, but It’s worth looking into.
Right
@@smileychess Carvana gave me 2k more than the dealer offer. I heard CarMax was a good place to sell as well
Don't sell the house. Take a heloc to pay off the $20k to unload the car. That will save 2k a month in car payments and insurance. They can put that toward the heloc or the credit cards.
The couple has a spending problem that they have to get to the root of. Since they haven't acquired toys, they're probably spending a lot on eating out, vacations and maybe giving $$ to the kids. Cut that out and start paying the bills aggressively. With a take-home of 13k/month they should be able to clear the 127k in credit card debt in a couple years. The situation is bad but it's not dire because they have such a great income.
gambling addiction ? Men spending on escorts or a mistress ? drugs ?
I know some people that will be in the same situation soon and I don't feel bad for them
So glad we found Dave Ramsey at 30 years old. Six months away from being debt free at 35.
I didnt even know 127k on a credit card was even possible 😯
I’m sure it’s multiple cards.
@@genxx2724 It must be , I have a 50k limit on my Mastercard but 127k is wild so must be across several cards.
Decades ago, I bounced a bunch of debt around for awhile on zero interest cards to pay it off, but I neglected to cancel them as the deals ended. Eventually I had $100,,000 in credit on these cards, and this was 30 years ago on a modest salary.
Word of advice for anyone young and who's watching - form good money habits now.
Time to sell the house
Yassssssssssss
Sell the car
Half a million in debt and they went upside down on a $100,000 car last year, and want to retire in 5 years.
LOL 😂, how on earth do you get over 100, 000 dollars in credit card debt? LOL 😂, let's buy a car that cost over 80 thousand dollars when we are already over 400 thousand in debt. Many people never think about what happens if the economy drops like a rock which it has been doing for almost 4 years. If the last 2 or 3 years didn't tell you to get your act together.... nothing will.
@@SteveC484 If you only had a brain.
Anytime my credit card debt nears $1000 I start to panic, I can’t imagine over $100k. They are getting a decent income, this is just recklessness.
I'm so confused. They make 156,000 a year and their CC debt is 127K. Cut up the credit cards, live on 30K, and that wipes out that debt in a little over a year. What am I missing?
They have a $400k mortgage. They can’t afford that on $30k. But I also think they can make this work. They just need to sacrifice, save up the $20k, get out of the underwater car. Like literally eat only beans and rice.
They have a mortgage and they have living expenyes. a 127 is only their credit card. They owe over 280 on a home and they have $80000 in carpet. All of these things have interesthat makes the abounces pro every month
Selling the house is bad idea at 59. They will pay more per month renting. And at the current state of the housing industry. They want ever own home again.
I feel bad because I have empathy putting myself in their shoes…. but then I just think about how I would never put myself in that situation. This is insane, it’s childish. They didn’t grow up until they hit 57 and are reeling from the fact that they can never retire now.
I feel for this lady. Personal debt is so crippling. Thank you for sharing your story.
It still absolutely blows my mind how someone making 13 fcking thousand dollars a month is 127k in CC debt?! And yes ik it’s about lifestyle but good lord! I make $3500 a month with 45k in savings and NO cc debt. Not to mention who TF buys a 80k car when they have $127k in CCs
I agree.they probably were living a lavish lifestyle.fancy vacations.meals.going overboard to impress onlookers.
For me it’s so interesting to listen to all of these calls.
I live in Germany (I was also born here) and here for most it’s unthinkable to spend more money that you have - for example my parents only bought cars with money they saved up before. I don’t know anyone who is in debt at all (to be fair: going to university is free… so no student loans).
And it’s so interesting that in the US I sounds like you guys earn so much more money (in comparison: most people I know earn around 1.500-4.500€ per month) but people like this poor woman still end up in situations where they are in such financial trouble. It’s actually quite sad and hard for me to wrap my mind around!
And then some US Citicens call in Socialism if we have free health care or don’t have to go into massive debt to go to school… 🧐
@@streetsofwisdom That's called forcibly taking money from others to pay for someone else's bad decisions, not "free." The US tries to be the "rich relative" and help everyone to the detriment of its own citizens. We also do have free healthcare, for the pool/elderly. Costs more than our military.
This couple makes $156k/yr. That's ~$30k/yr in taxes, and they're lucky to not have state income taxes. $12k goes to the "you're too stupid to save for retirement tax." This is also not counting property taxes, sales tax, or any other random tax. Financially incompetent people will still have money issues regardless of how much they have, but it's a lot of money to get taken from you that rarely ever betters your life.
Big hat, no cattle. They been spending like idiots.
This is why it’s extremely important to live on less than you make and as early as possible in life. They knew what they were doing when they financed every purchase with a credit card. They have no financial discipline, but they make 13K a month. They can easily solve this debt issue, but will their behavior change, that’s the real question. They are addicted to spending money.
She waited until she’s upside down in a fancy car and $100g in credit debt to start thinking about selling her wedding set. 😳
who needs 30 year old wedding set?
I'm in my early 50's and I do worry about getting my retirement up and that's without having all that debt. I can't imagine the fear that some people feel when they are literally at retirement age with no money and mountains of debt. Hearing calls like this makes me realize that I could have it worse than I do. I hope she and her husband band together and get this mess cleaned up ASAP. They make good money, so if they take George and John's advice on what they should do, they may be able to retire. Not at the age they were hoping for, but they can still do it. They just need to quit borrowing money on everything. I wish the best for them.
They'll never be able to live anywhere close to the lifestyle they've been living, but assuming they've made big money for many years, they'll have two nice social security checks to take care of their basics. They'll have to live within their means at that point but at least it will be a nice chunk.
Don't sell the house. Let the cars go and file for bankruptcy. You don't need the credit score, and you can start all over again. Except for the student loans.
Yup. Then pay off that house and stack away. Be ok. BK is there for a reason and I think she fits the bill JMHO.
Yea while I see why everyone is saying sell the house, but at their age it might be better to ride it out in your own home
Bankruptcy at their income of $13k monthly would likely be a Chapter 13, which would be a payment plan of several years. That wouldn’t accomplish a ton in this situation. Frankly, I would sell the house. It’s one of the worst calls I’ve heard in a while. They basically need to permanently downsize their lifestyle, rent for a long time, and then buy a smaller place later when they’re actually retired around 75.
@@craigmoman6944 Ohh If that's the case then you have a good point.
Right don't sell renting is worse these days and no investment assest
They owe $80,000 on a car??? What are we doing people..
Their car is a 2023 that means they were already $250k in debt and $127k of that is credit cards and $20k negative equity from their last new car purchase and they THEN bought a $60k+ brand new car. Unless they have some serious retirement savings they’re never going to retire and honestly it sounds like they don’t deserve to. This is worse than the 30 year olds who owe a million in my opinion.
The hosts suggesting private party for a 60K car is so off the mark it is baffling.