Very insightful, Ren. Thanks for the video 😊. Personally, as an INFJ, I noticed I tend to lack discipline when I'm feeling exhausted or trying to avoid social situations. To feel better, I end up neglecting my tasks or procrastinating. What helped me develop discipline was waking up early in the morning (4-5 am) and having time for myself. I practice the guitar, read something on MBTI, exercise, meditating or just focus on my needs alone in the morning, so I'm not influenced by the emotions of others around me. I also journal about how I feel and what I think about life, which gives me clarity and clears my mind. This self-care process in the morning has enhanced my energy and how I feel. I feel happier, and I feel I have more energy to engage with people. I also feel like my mood is better because I feel accomplished in the morning. I wake up feeling more energetic too. I feel excited to go to bed and wake up because, instead of going to work straight away (which feels exhausting when interacting with people), I feel excited in the morning because I am waking up to do things that I love and focus on myself. Then I feel better about writing to-do lists and focusing on my other ambitions. I hope this makes sense. P.S. I wonder how you are able to connect Fe and Ni so well to the life experience of INFJs. I suppose maybe because you are knowledgeable after reading many books on MBTI, but I still find it fascinating how you understand the INFJ mind so well.
I think a lack of discipline is one of our greatest weaknesses, but we are very disciplined in our thinking. It’s Se discipline and focus which we can struggle with.
i am more disciplined now than ever, and i enjoy most activities (--within reason) and strive to complete any task i am called to do. Whereas in my earlier days i was shamefully unreliable and completely disinterested in anything unrelated to my own specific pursuits. And am grateful to be working on my passion projects everyday.
Hello Ren, Yes, it was me who asked that question. I asked that partly because of the stereotypes about us but also to know if I'm the only one who is slightly rigid when it comes to doing tasks I hate as well (such as talking to people for long hours, chores etc). I will say that I do love my routines and if anything goes wrong, I'll be highly annoyed too but would try and relax and deal with it as best as I could. Here are some questions 1) Why are INFJs seen as intellectuals by others? 2) Why is it so hard for us to change our moral beliefs/philosophies (even slightly)? 3) Why bother bringing our idealisms into reality when reality would only knock us down? 4) Why dont people realize that we can be very awkward as well? 😅 (I swear this is why I stare at people, too). 5) Can we "shut off" our NI completely? Sorry if these are repeats. I hope your day is well and all. 💜🫡
what people around me don’t understand is how I can be very disciplined in what I what do, stop and then jump back on track. I workout everyday and I’m not scared at all to take a few days or even a week of break and then immediately jump back on track. while others that I know of, are literally scared to stop working out or to have cheat meals and they tell me if they stop the pattern it becomes extremely difficult to jump back on. I tell them, I make the rules in my head, not the patterns or routine.
Definitely wish i possessed the discipline of my ISTJ father and my closest friend. They are able to do things that i know in every situation i wouldnt be able to. If anything gives me solace, its that vice versa i am able to perform tasks that they are incapable of doing as well.
Interesting thoughts. I tend to think discipline is very contextual. I find INFJs I know very consistent with working on their projects (Ren has been consistently posting daily on RUclips for a good amount of time). I imagine Ni paired with Fe might lead to collaborative projects within their own little communities of thought. Though if more Ni with Ti, a lot more independent thought? Where I see a lot of INFJs not so disciplined are things like maintaining a healthy diet. 😂 But then again, that is a lot of people. As someone who has more of an Ne-preference, I tend to be like a sprinter with my interests and projects: Totally into it and at full speed one moment, then totally not, needing to rotate to something else before coming back again. I am not consistent with keeping in touch with people and making a good effort to, which I imagine EFJs are better at. But I am very disciplined with staying true to actions in line with my own values (but still with occasional slip ups). I can also be quite moody, which affects my willingness to do anything. 😂
Both you describe that you only understand it in that particular form (the Fe dicipline), yet at the same time you say "it souns like self torture", as if oyu do not understand it and perceive it from a distance?
Your incessant commitment to consistently playing identity politics in the realm of psychological types is absolutely pathetic. A type isn’t inherently given to any form of disability or lack of ‘discipline’. ‘Discipline’ is an Aesthetic form of ordered principles which engender thought, consideration, experience, will, and action, and engagement with the inner or outer worlds.
Nothing is absolute, but there are certainly correlations between types of people with certain traits and their behavior. He’s clearly explorative not saying “this is exactly who you are” I find value pondering on his thoughts. I’m more curious why it bothers you so much to call him pathetic, did he hurt you?
One of the issues I encountered in advanced network engineering was the use of acronyms where they aren´t necessary and in fact, are admittedly created by never-been-laid Star Trek geeks. Spanish was like that before I decrypted it, and French, even more so. I find the same with INFJ and all these things which are nothing more than ASTROLOGY, the true template-based system. Infected with hoary but still, true.
Very insightful, Ren. Thanks for the video 😊.
Personally, as an INFJ, I noticed I tend to lack discipline when I'm feeling exhausted or trying to avoid social situations. To feel better, I end up neglecting my tasks or procrastinating.
What helped me develop discipline was waking up early in the morning (4-5 am) and having time for myself. I practice the guitar, read something on MBTI, exercise, meditating or just focus on my needs alone in the morning, so I'm not influenced by the emotions of others around me. I also journal about how I feel and what I think about life, which gives me clarity and clears my mind. This self-care process in the morning has enhanced my energy and how I feel. I feel happier, and I feel I have more energy to engage with people. I also feel like my mood is better because I feel accomplished in the morning. I wake up feeling more energetic too. I feel excited to go to bed and wake up because, instead of going to work straight away (which feels exhausting when interacting with people), I feel excited in the morning because I am waking up to do things that I love and focus on myself. Then I feel better about writing to-do lists and focusing on my other ambitions. I hope this makes sense.
P.S.
I wonder how you are able to connect Fe and Ni so well to the life experience of INFJs. I suppose maybe because you are knowledgeable after reading many books on MBTI, but I still find it fascinating how you understand the INFJ mind so well.
INFJ maturity/health is essentially skillfully riding the waves of internal chaos with deep trust and non-judgment.
Love this
Exactly.
Greatly put
I think a lack of discipline is one of our greatest weaknesses, but we are very disciplined in our thinking. It’s Se discipline and focus which we can struggle with.
Se discipline is the trickiest, for sure.
i am more disciplined now than ever, and i enjoy most activities (--within reason) and strive to complete any task i am called to do. Whereas in my earlier days i was shamefully unreliable and completely disinterested in anything unrelated to my own specific pursuits. And am grateful to be working on my passion projects everyday.
Delighted to hear about those developments.
Hello Ren,
Yes, it was me who asked that question.
I asked that partly because of the stereotypes about us but also to know if I'm the only one who is slightly rigid when it comes to doing tasks I hate as well (such as talking to people for long hours, chores etc).
I will say that I do love my routines and if anything goes wrong, I'll be highly annoyed too but would try and relax and deal with it as best as I could.
Here are some questions
1) Why are INFJs seen as intellectuals by others?
2) Why is it so hard for us to change our moral beliefs/philosophies (even slightly)?
3) Why bother bringing our idealisms into reality when reality would only knock us down?
4) Why dont people realize that we can be very awkward as well? 😅 (I swear this is why I stare at people, too).
5) Can we "shut off" our NI completely?
Sorry if these are repeats. I hope your day is well and all. 💜🫡
I used to be disciplined but with current circumstances and mental state i am not.😂
what people around me don’t understand is how I can be very disciplined in what I what do, stop and then jump back on track. I workout everyday and I’m not scared at all to take a few days or even a week of break and then immediately jump back on track. while others that I know of, are literally scared to stop working out or to have cheat meals and they tell me if they stop the pattern it becomes extremely difficult to jump back on. I tell them, I make the rules in my head, not the patterns or routine.
Just need the inspiration and conviction to jump start the discipline
Definitely wish i possessed the discipline of my ISTJ father and my closest friend. They are able to do things that i know in every situation i wouldnt be able to. If anything gives me solace, its that vice versa i am able to perform tasks that they are incapable of doing as well.
Routine saves.
Routine kills.
Interesting thoughts. I tend to think discipline is very contextual. I find INFJs I know very consistent with working on their projects (Ren has been consistently posting daily on RUclips for a good amount of time). I imagine Ni paired with Fe might lead to collaborative projects within their own little communities of thought. Though if more Ni with Ti, a lot more independent thought? Where I see a lot of INFJs not so disciplined are things like maintaining a healthy diet. 😂 But then again, that is a lot of people.
As someone who has more of an Ne-preference, I tend to be like a sprinter with my interests and projects: Totally into it and at full speed one moment, then totally not, needing to rotate to something else before coming back again. I am not consistent with keeping in touch with people and making a good effort to, which I imagine EFJs are better at. But I am very disciplined with staying true to actions in line with my own values (but still with occasional slip ups). I can also be quite moody, which affects my willingness to do anything. 😂
Heyy renaud can you please shoot your videos indoor. Tge background noise is very distracting
I do not understand discipline in any other form than the Fe "discipline"/commitment you described. Just sounds like self-torture.
Both you describe that you only understand it in that particular form (the Fe dicipline), yet at the same time you say "it souns like self torture", as if oyu do not understand it and perceive it from a distance?
@PowerRedBullTypology I mean discipline in any other form just sounds like self-torture.
Your incessant commitment to consistently playing identity politics in the realm of psychological types is absolutely pathetic. A type isn’t inherently given to any form of disability or lack of ‘discipline’. ‘Discipline’ is an Aesthetic form of ordered principles which engender thought, consideration, experience, will, and action, and engagement with the inner or outer worlds.
Nothing is absolute, but there are certainly correlations between types of people with certain traits and their behavior. He’s clearly explorative not saying “this is exactly who you are” I find value pondering on his thoughts.
I’m more curious why it bothers you so much to call him pathetic, did he hurt you?
Indeed. Your animosity is puzzling.
One of the issues I encountered in advanced network engineering was the use of acronyms where they aren´t necessary and in fact, are admittedly created by never-been-laid Star Trek geeks. Spanish was like that before I decrypted it, and French, even more so. I find the same with INFJ and all these things which are nothing more than ASTROLOGY, the true template-based system. Infected with hoary but still, true.