The dark side of Ukuthwasa (Initiation) |Unpacked With Relebogile Mabotja - Episode 18 | Season 2
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- Опубликовано: 22 июн 2021
- We unpack the dark side of Ukuthwas. A guest shares her story on some of the challenges she's faced as a young healer.
Studio Guests: Yolanda
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Have you guys realised how relebogile always choose her Wadrobe that will match with the topic and moods? That's creativity and it makes the guest to be comfortable . I once watched the story of Yolanda its painful but she is a fighter
Now that you mention it, I'm actually seeing it.
Thank you for the compliment ❤️
So true. I even remember the pastor Phiri enterview.
I thought I'm the only one who noticed 😊
Doesn't she look like Zozibini Tunzi???
lol that is what i have been saying through out the show😅😅🥰🥰they look alike
Yes they do look-alike
Lol yes. Her confidence and how she articulates reminds me of Zozi
Yes
At first I thought it was her
Her use of language is so beautiful, I could listen to her all day, she is so descriptive and objective in such a manner that anyone can relate. Wow
Absolutely Admirable 🥰👌🏾
i was looking for this comment actually
I agree!
So true. This was my thought exactly when she started speaking. Her choice of vocabulary to her descriptiveness is impressive. Such a lady also. The way she sat and carried herself throughout this interview 👌🏽May God grant her healing and strength from that entire ordeal. Also really hope this dark and dirty “culture” stops at initiation schools because not only is it invasive and traumatic but also ruins the beautiful of becoming a traditional healer for those called to heal plus also leaves one scared.
Halft way through the episode...I was like wow...her vocabulary is on point.
She looks so much like Zozi Tunzi😍😳
I clicked because I thought it was her 😂😂 I don't regret it thou.
@@prudencempyampya3669 😂
She does
She does n she’s also smart n intelligent like her , it like they twins honestly 🙊🙊
Yes they do
"Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and lean not on your own understanding. Acknowledge Him in all you do and He will guide you on the right path" May the boundless, merciful love of Jesus Christ meet you in your place of need ❤️🙏🏽. There's not a single thing or person or being or event in this entire universe that will ever seperate you from the love of Jesus. You are DEEPLY loved.
Anykind of belief in the unknown is equally demaging, you see see story of people who left the Evengelical/ Pentecostal churches. I know beliefs are coping mechanism for most who don't want to face real life adversaries by things their are some forces and powers to help them. We so now with lock down that we were all affected equally and no forces are effective to reality.
Umuhle wena 😍Mosa Hlobelo
@@nomxhosapekani7966Not really hey. Statistically speaking, its been proven that having no religious belief is the most detrimental thing for society. For instance, suicide rates have been found to be higher among atheists. Also atheism doesn't have any answers for a lot of important factors of "real life". It fails to provide, for example, standards or basis for moral behavior. From an Ashiest perspective, a statement like "belief in the unknown is equally damaging" is absurd because how do you know? The reality is that faith is actually more reasonable than no faith.
@@cebo_sa1952 before yall were captured and introduced to Jesus what did your family before you believe in?
@@ulwazingesizulu968 Good Question. Easy answer: It doesn't matter what my people believed before me. As humans, we change our views almost every time new and more relevant information comes to light. To keep unsound beliefs even when better information is presented is defined as being delusional. For example, mina Anginaso isizathu sokukholelwa emadlozini ngoba I have tasted the Goodness and Reality of Jesus. I have walked with him and can testify to the truth of his Word. If a person like me holds on to beliefs like atheisms and Amadlozi, it would be foolish.
Yolanda has such a commanding voice that draws you to listen to her.
I admire how graceful she carries herself.
I agree and her use of language is just exceptional!
She is giving me Zozibini vibes
She's a healer, she is Igobela.
I can’t but see Zozi😍😍 this lady is so articulate and I could listen to her talk all day. They saw her power and tried to take it away, I’m glad she’s doing well. Strength to you sis, remain beautiful and humble ❤️
I believe the hair style plays a big role
so true in that
I see Zozi too’
Yeah she definitely zozi's sister 😊
she's the most beautiful woman ever and she's so well spoken.
Yeey she is BEAUTIFUL ❤
This kind of nonsense happens even in churches but are well hidden by so called elders...congratulation to our sister Yoli for coming out in this manner her journey in uncovering her calling is pantuated by such unforgivable pain...we trust God to heal you n that you find space in your heart to trust n love again . I wish that by God's grace you get married n raise strong wise n spiritually healthy children
Why you rushing her to marriage??
exactly! Orthodox and non-orthodox churches
Which kind of church does this dear?
Marriage? Well just wish her good and leave the rest to her.
I was also thinking about how this happens in churches. The "narcissistic spiritual grooming" and bullying by someone the victim considers the elder/leader as an authority figure
Imagine being told during the start of your initiation process that there will be no sexual activity,but the very same people victimize you sexually. Nonsense...
They do that so that they can suck out all the power given to you by ur ancestors through sexual ties. There are even pastors who do that by sleeping with young girls in their churches .
That's when the "grooming" start; taking you away from any lover you might have and reserving you for themselves.
@@noxiemvula6384 that cruel.and this seem to be the story of most female.i wonder wha happens to Male,probably for them its easier,no rape .🤷♀️
Right!? It’s so disgusting
I know i am at the initiation n i was almost raped last night by the same gobela who said i should never have sex until i am done with initiation these things are soul draining
I went to high school with her super proud of you Yolanda for taking stand be educational about everything because it’s going to help many people who may be going through samething but weren’t sure as to what was happening with them
Every girl should watch this before they begin their traditional healing initiation, because most of our men are just so sick 💔💔💔
These things dont onlybhappen ephehlweni. They happen everywhere. Workplace, family, church... everywhere. And as long as the rapist/predator is protected, they continue with their dirty acts and to them, they see it as normal. The stories are basically the same.
She resembles Zozibini Thunzi (sp)
Miss Universe. Very beautiful and blessed. Speak sister, good work Relebogile!!
Kakhulu tjoo😍
This was my initial thought, indeed. She is GORGEOUS!
She's too much. A gem this one 🤗
I think you should write the topic in order to draw more viewers, because just seeing unpack does not propel to click the video, unless you're someone who knows about the channel
I agree
The title must come before the name of the channel.
Sport on Sbari
I totally agree with you on this one
Totally agree with
True
She’s so well spoken 🥰
Very
Her hair cut is so beautiful♥️
Her voice says it all, she really went through the most.
The woman interviewing did a beautiful job truly listening.
She definitely has her own strength her own voice.. Her bravery is unspeakable I'm so inspired by this young lady so beautiful and well spoken.. I really wish there was more time for the interview to be longer.
She's so strong,so beautiful, articulate and so intelligent.
One thing about this show it's will open your mind in so some perspective and inform you, allow you to grow in way that you didn't think.
Her description of what a gift is makes me so receptive to mine.
She said it sooo beautifully. I'm really doubting myself and what I have and listening to her, was great
I believe she was the chosen one to reveal the demonic side of that particular initiation school. And as we are born we have this journey that we need to walk into so that we can be who we are supposed to be.. You are a strong Women my dear I admire the brave in you and I love that child in you that made you stand up for yourself.....🙌🙌Yoli ❤️
All of the initiations schools are demonic, it's demonic practice and those who go through it are ought to do all the demonic attached . Is either Jesus and the devil ... no in between , so if it doesn't purely reflect God and nature of him and doesn't match the Bible ... it's demonic full stop. Ignorance will keep dragging people to serve the devil. No excuse to being ignorant
@@tlalerosie9437 ignorance isChristians such as yourself who have no respect for other beliefs
@@tlalerosie9437 People may disagree coz their entitled to their opinions and supposed "knowledge", fine but what you said is the whole truth Tlale Rosie. You laid it bare, Thank you so much
@@SHENGEsiyabonga we have no respect for the spirit behind ( demons) , the forbidden spirits of darkness
She’s gorgeous, both ladies infact. I wish she would write a book about her experiences maybe even document some of these rituals. Not a book of spells but the philosophy and thinking behind African spirituality.
These spirits will use any tactic to get you to agree to "the calling". Intimidation, sickness, fear, anxiety to the point where you cannot even put into words what's going on. They will torment you in your sleep. They will sneak into your dreams. Only to get you to give up your soul. I am glad the Lord gave you the voice to set the captives free. For some spiritual leaders sex with young girls is a requirement to get power from the evil forces that are behind them. Only those whom the Lord Jesus Christ has set free are free indeed. He has called us into life not death, light and not darkness. Freedom and not bondage. Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life!
We need to call her back sisi please. She reminds me of Zozibini Tunzi, her grace, her vocation and good communication in trying to make viewers understand her story.... She drew me into her journey.... Continue doing the good that you are doing.
She is so articulate man. She is empowerd ka nnete. If we continue ka culture ye ya secret the more we will continue to fail many. Go tseba mang gore how many people are still facing the same today?
I can only imagine that traditional initiation are one of the most difficult spaces to reveal sexual abuse so this interview was very important for us to unpack.
Eye can't help but wonder that,Yolanda running to that initiation school could have been the gobela's using spells to bring her there, disguised as badimo.
What happened to, your ancestors come to you in a dream and tell you about your spiritual gifts and where to go to help train you on how to utilise your gifts?
This was eye opening. Third eye opening.
Thokozani...As a new graduate I can totally relate to gogo's story but the form of abuse that I had to endure was emotional and financial.My experience has made me pledge myself to do better for the future generation of healers as we continue our mission to bring forth healing to our families and nation.Breaking the chains of distractions that seek to destroy our people. MAKHOSI
unfortunately , Sangomas literally worship 3 of the fallen angels; Azazel, Amezarak & Armaros. sad
Where can I find that information?
These things of Sangomas is becoming fashionable, be careful people...be careful
Have u noticed? Thats why I don't believe in these things
Very true..even when someone just has a higher intuition they think they have a calling and must go to initiation school
Thokozani boGogo, Thokozani bomkulu
Be careful with what ? This is part of who we are, ubungoma isn't something we should be afraid of, as sangomas we don't adore or praise our ancestors we only acknowledge them a show them out respect camago
@@younggc2537 are u even reading carefully and processing before replying?
@@hlengiwemasondo2858 Ngiyaxolisa if I gave the wrong massage
Her voice has such a calming and comforting effect. Stay strong sisi ❤️❤️
Seen her 1st in BET, MOJA LOVE & HERE.. She is really determined telling her story. It's so sad what she went through
She was on Izangoma Zodumo at SO called Dr Maweni's. I wonder if thats who she's talking about
I will never forget her story it has struck my mind ... I'm glad she's doing okay
So so sorry i had to go through such filthy experience
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Let me also say you are the chosen one the fact that you voulf rise above this ordeal tells me u r the chosen one to save others from such horrible acts
You had to go through this*correction i
Can the government reinforce the death sentence. We stand with you. Ladies I'm sorry we as men continue to disappoint you.
And it's so comforting to know that we have men who understand the pain caused by rape, and it's more comforting that you stand with us because we always thought and felt as though this is a woman's fight. We need men like you, we can't end it alone.
I understand that you're disgusted, but the death sentence is not the answer. Who is going to be responsible for pulling the switch? Who must have the burden of having killed another human being on their soul? Would you do it?
People in power, no matter what space, tend to victimize people who are trusting them for guidance.
Let's be aware to not give people too much power over our lives no matter their calling.
She’s so beautiful and articulate 😍
Thokoza gogo... I feel her, mina I ran away and found someone who assisted me and only to find out that was a wild goose chase I was following, and my little sister stayed there till today we don't know why she isn't coming home and changed numbers and not reaching out to her family... the funny part it's only been 2 years now
And this is still a trigger to me a huge one, I guess that's the other scar I should live with
I’m so fortunate to have accepted Jesus in my life, i was also being troubled by sanatic dreams in the past, dreams of snakes, dreams of being lost not knowing where i was and trying to find my way home and couldn’t find it till i wake up from the dream, yooooh was so hectic but don’t wish that experience on anyone
But she didn't have satanic dreams like you she had a calling.
We thank God Patience that He rescued you from Hell fires. @Vonani may the Lord opened your spiritual eyes,
@@vonanr i’m not disputing or undermining her calling and her experience, i’m just expressing my experience of the spiritual world
@@lundinyangule112 what are you talking about wena
I think I've seen her on Moja Love before. She is absolutely beautiful. And shoutout to her for having the strength to share her story ❤️
It was on Idlozi with sis Thembi. I also remember her
Well articulated Yolanda l enjoyed the atmosphere of the show. Keep it up Relebogile.
My Xhosa brain was trying to figure out how a woman goes to initiation school.
Thank you for sharing your story Yolanda. These are the parts of spiritual practices they don’t share.
Me too mntase I was ekuqaleni
Strenght to her.
Jonga
My Sotho brain was also trying to figure that out🙈😅thought I was alone
Me too sani
@@lebohangm7252 but how did you not understand it?i understand the xhosa confusion but wena?
She is soh brave... Even thou growing up around sangomas i have this positive perspective ka bona cause ive seen greatness around it....but When she said it was difficult to open a case i get it... The level of obidience they have upon theirs seniors yoh ud be shocked
Her hair cut is dope!
She is smart, she is brave, she is beautiful and she is an amazing young woman.
Yooo this episode was so sad, I'm so glad she's in a good space ❤️
This makes me very upset.
What she's saying is so true, some Phehlo are a nightmare.
I left ePhehlweni with mere abuse, that nothing close to what she's saying.
I was not about to let anyone abuse me. I was also in Soweto.
You are told that ur life will be stricken with poverty n misfortune.
I wanna tell everyone, it's bullshit. OGobela behaves lives God's wife, please don't take that nonsense. If u are abused, leave.
Forget what they tell about it Dlozi cursing u.
Your ancestors will see u through.
Imagine. How do you claim to be bringing healing when you causing suffering and strife in another's person's life? Aowa. I'm glad you left. Yeses, there's only one God
Wow... She's grown to be such an amazing young woman. Yolanda ka Gogo bantu
I thank God for this show, mind opening, challenging our thought process and all. Thank you Yolanda for sharing your story
she is so well spoken and beautiful, big ups to her for speaking up for herself and everyone who has been sexually abused
Yaze yabuhlungu inhliziyo yami😭 and I totally understand how difficult it could've been coz there's a lot more happening spiritually imithi that's being used ukugqilaza and to control their minds is too strong. I am so glad that she is breaking the silence. God bless you sisi
I'm so sorry for what you went through sisi, you're strong and thank you for opening up so that no one after you falls prey to this. 💔
You’re so strong, beautiful and so well spoken. You told your story with so much courage & boldness ♥️ Love & light Yoli
This really broke my heart she’s so strong!❤️
😥I literally just couldn't help being tearful while listening to al that she s been through..! At such a tender age. Thanks for using ur not so pleasant experience as a tool, to not only unveil the 'untold reality' of intwaso but to aslo have courage to raise awareness and empower young sangoma to speak up! That's just genuine strength ❤
She put the definition so well and beautifully…
One thing about this lady, she made a choice not to be a victim for life. As sad as this is, you came out victorious; you're a warrior. Power to you, i really hope many women can draw strength from you and rise up.
It's demotivating to see/learn how prevalent sexual predators are - in all areas of life & all industries. 🙆
Even in spiritual spaces, which might seem to be "above it all", as a woman, you still have to insecure about your safety.😭 😥
Shame, It's a saddening reality that there's no safe place for women. 😭😭😭
💔
Truly heart breaking
Well, if you believe "there's no safe place for women," then there isn't. You have in that way, let this story trigger your own fear. Which is a good thing. Now all you have to do is: face it and stop handing over your POWER to it.
When you open up to such spirits, you open a space for them to get in.
It's however very sad that people in power do this to young women.
Sending love to you Yolanda. Your strength and courage is just beautiful to watch 💪💪💪💪.
I dnt knw how many times I've listened to her story but each time it makes me cry 😢
She is so well spoken and beautiful ❤️
💔💔💔 I'm sorry you had to go through that Yoli.
Thank you for your vulnerabilty, i can imagine it's not easy to relive your trauma by sharing it with the world. Thank you for your story will help many people. Amazing how God now is using your pain for a purpose.
Yolanda is so lovely. Her experience is relatable on many levels and I’m so happy that she had family support and has found a way to make a beautiful life beyond this horrible experience. So humble, such clean energy.
what a beautiful woman who tells her story with so much strength, so sorry you endured that, sending bucket load of hugs and love.
Only at the beginning and girl, I know your story and I've lived it. ❤ ❤ ❤
Yolanda Yolanda what you went through was indeed painful and yes you are a blessing.
I hate the cult-like mentality in initiation schools. It's scary
It is a cult even these churches
The funny stuff is that idlozi always torments people. These spirits would never bring something good before torturing you. Imagine having to brew traditional beer when you have never tasted alcohol. Surely madlozi love orgies & smoke weed. The 21st century ancestors will be demanding hubly bubbly
I was not expecting this , My heart just broke . My friend's daughter is in initiation school at the moment and I don't know how I'm gonna address this with her
I trust you to break the crux of the decuplets stories. I trust you to ask the right questions that are crucial.
Bless her poor soul🥺 glad you’re in a better space ♥️ love and light
I'm so proud of her for speaking up
Very informative, loving the topics and the show ❤️
My goodness young excellence....all the best Yolanda
Thokoza gogo, i am so sorry for what you went through and i believe as hard as it was, it was part of your journey to speak for the voiceless families and trainees👌🏿👌🏿👌🏿
Sadly it happens to, too many.
You are a great interviewer Relebogile! You were made for this. Commanding & captivating voice
What a powerful story, what a powerful woman. Thank you for sharing your story and informing of something I knew nothing about. I cannot imagine to begin to imagine what it took for you to be where you. Thank you for bravery. May God bless you and your journey. You are the best person to be the voice of this. I admire your passion, mentality and your whole aura. Thank you for being so courageous, it's truly inspiring to see such bravery.
Yolanda is absolutely amazing. God bless and protect her always❤
My heart is broken. Sexual violation is normalized, that can never be accepted. We are behind sisi ✊🏾
Brilliant interviewing skills 👌👌👌👌
Thank you!
I like how she explained what initiation is 👏
OMG to think she was a happy soul in front of our eyes... So young and active not knowing she is enduring so much pain... In that place... So painful but I'm glad she spoke about this to help other young girls in her situation
👏👏👏👏👏Wow. She is a change warrior. Big Ups Yoli.
The contents in this channel are educational, empowering and motivating.
The setup of your stage is great and the quality of your cameras are just mind blowing.
Be blessed sisi Lebo🔥🔥🔥
You are strong even now baby girl. You are saving lives even now, someone is going to watch this and you will have prevented another tragedy from happening. One day when you have your own school you will be teaching the right things and protecting vulnerable people. I am sorry for your pain was not supposed to happen
I remember her from the big secret with Mmasechaba. She is brave. May God and your guides heal you completely and help you in your journey. Rele I hope you are taking some therapy ey you hear Alot of disturbing stuff. I respect your Emotional intelligence. 💯❤️
Jesus loves you girl! You are beautiful and precious to Him. Jesus said 'I am the Way, the truth and life, no one comes to the Father except through Me. John14:6 Jesus is the ONLY Way. He died for us to show us just how much He loves us. That's true love. No other love can compare with this one. God loves you girl. Give your life to Him and keep on trusting Him and putting Him first in all you do. Matthew6:33
But she doesn't believe in Jesus you heard her
Amen
Cried this entire episode. 😥❤
I like her 100%......i pray to God that the light inside her keeps shining she's amazing,intelligent
Yoli you are our voice, your voice prevent all the horrible things that happens at ephehlweni. Your voice gave me all the strength question my niece's gobela. My niece used to call us saying she is lonely and that she wants to go home. We asked is everything is okay, if she wasn't abused in some way n she said no. We were all far but I was the closest. I made time to visit just to clear my conscious. Fortunately her Gobela was a lady n she was strong enough to carry out the training and all was good.
I salute your strength. You put a stop to all the nonsense that bo gobela does. 👏
Sisi no one has to go through what you went through. You did'nt deserve that. May GOD restore healing and thank you for sharing your story very eye opening
The African American historical Legend of slavery Harriet Tubman was a well-known natural healer she came from a line of natural healer on her mother's side she was also known to have seizures where she saw visions or God spoke to her
Hi Kelebogile how are you cc ngizizwa ngithintekile kakhulu ngento eyavelela uYolanda ngifisa ukuthi angama aqine abenesindi njengoba enaso kubuhlungu ukugula ngedlozi bese abanye abantu badlale ngawe into eyamvelela yiyo eyikhambi lakhe namhlanje (angikugqugquzwleli lokho)alapha ngayo ngoba bakhona abanye abasebumnyameni abangazi ukuthi benze njani sukuma Yoli khuluma cc uzozwaka ngiyabonga
Wowwww this beautiful lady in black I love to listen to her! I can't speak so brilliantly like her omg she's a real story teller! My word! This programme I'm hooked all the way from The Netherlands uti I'm Dutch but let me be strong for her xx
I can't begin to imagine what Yolanda went through. She is indeed a strong woman, sending love and light your way ❤️
You're the perfect person for this Show Sister , good skills indeed 😊🙌
My people perish for lack of knowledge.
The book of revelation clearly states most of these practices are taught by the fallen angels. sad
i salute u gal....Camagu...you ARE a healer
High key everything about the guest’s hair was done so well…I thought she was animated in the thumbnail🤭
Stay strong, thank you for giving a message of hope
Such a strong soul...I am thankful that she has healed and found the strength to expose these bastards.