Kal Sharok {Lore - Spoilers All}
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- Опубликовано: 15 авг 2018
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Hmm, the ideas of people becoming paragons based on their promises is kinda fitting if as a whole they are predisposed to die young. They know they dont have much time, or a lifetime to tinker and perfect something that might make someone in Orzammar a paragon. Instead they promise their intentions as they spend their life working on it, and even if they die before they finish the idea is the important part, as that is there for the next generation to take up
thetallwarden thedas' first real democracy?
I was gonna say, sounds a lot like some politicians in real life, lol.
Words are wind.
I like your take on this. It's my new head-cannon lol
This has always been the most interesting topic in Dragon Age for me, ever since origins. Only followed directly by where the hell Qunari come from and what's up with the rest of the planet.
What if there is no rest of the planet and Thedas is flat? :o
Same here
After scouring through the internet, you can actually see a whole view of Thedas as a planet in Mass Effects.
@@loveitdragon6284 that’s a fan theory that’s also pretty unlikely since it’s based on the fact the picture for one of Thedas’ moons is the same as one planet from Mass Effect. However, that picture is actually a real picture of Mars that’s been altered slightly.
The Qunari have pointed ears, they claim that they no longer look much like the people they originally came from, and Iron Bull says that he thinks their priests mixed dragonblood into their race. Plus they seem to be very concerned about Solas. So, I think the Qunari used to be elves, most likely Solas' enemies, but ended up changing their entire society and race over time, yet still hold a grudge towards the dread wolf.
Do you think it's possible that the reason for all the mystery surrounding Kal Sharok and its survival from the darkspawn and corruption could be because, in a matter of speaking, it didn't? There's been mention of at least one other "talking darkspawn" being seen in the Deep Roads that could very well be another high priest of one of the old gods alongside Corypheus and the Architect. Maybe that darkspawn/priest or one of the other four found their way into Kal Sharok. Or maybe the Dwarves of the thaig in their desperation stumbled upon one of them. And maybe, seeing an opportunity, that darkspawn offered them a deal. Minor corruption and service to their darkspawn master in exchange for the key to their continued survival.
That could explain why they have knowledge of the surface without anyone knowing they exist. Not because they themselves were *somehow* sneaking up to the the surface, but because their darkspawn allies were bringing them back information and possibly materials from the world above. It could also explain why they would remind people of Grey Wardens. They aren't fully corrupted like Ghouls, as that would render them useless to the spawn after just a few generations, but gain some level of innate corruption after years and generations of living beside darkspawn.
The idea of their Paragons being chosen by promise and not deed could be less of pledge to the people, but rather a pledge of service to the now darkspawn Priest and/or the old god they serve. Their sudden reappearance to the world could be attributed to whatever same force helped awaken the Architect not much later. Maybe the weakening of the seals that held the High Priest of Dumat in his prison caused their own Priest to realize that others of his kind where still out in the world as well. If this were the case, it could also be why the envoys from Orzammar never came back. The people of Kal Sharok and its master couldn't allow the secret that the heart of their society was someone who would be seen as an enemy to the world to get out.
I hope they have a completely different aesthetic for Kal Sharock. One of the most interesting pieces of lore is the dread that Kal Sharock isn't just an angry lonely dwarven city.
I would love that! Kal-Sharok once being the capital of the Dwarven empire needs to be a grand city or least have evidence that in its prime it was once grand. But I too want to see a different aesthetic to Orzammar. Orzammar architecture was based on the angular look of the Aztec, what would Kal-Sharok be based on?
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They might just do Viking/Scottish again. But who knows
In the Dalish origins, before you become a grey warden, your Keeper heals you. You are described by others as appearing very pale.
Also, when Bregan in The Calling is captured and prevented from dying, he becomes something like a darkspawn (other darkspawn ignore him) though also eventually becomes more and more consumed by bitterness and resentment.
In the Last Flight, Isseya's corruption appears to be accelerated by blood magic, she is forced to postpone her trip to the deep roads by the unending blight and lack of wardens. She always keeps her face covered in a similar fashion.
In the DA rpg handbook, a dalish keeper is listed as able to postpone the taint progression as well as the wardens (in fact it states their cure was the origin of the joining).
maybe a little hint that the blight is connected to the ancient elves, by the way?
Not to forget about Hespith's condition when she was becoming ghoulified before presumably become a genlock broodmother or ending her own fate beforehand in DAO.
I would put my money on the dwarves of Kal Sharok having stumbled on their own version of the joining so maybe some of them are tainted in a similar way to wardens and have similar abilities and that's how they managed to survive.
Adain24 I’m gonna go with vampire dwarves, just because, why not?
They're near the Anderfels, maybe they just all do the Joining somehow and that's part of some trade deal.
I really hope we get to see Kal-Sharok in the next game! Also I kinda think there’s gonna be a huge revelation there, something connecting the blight/grey wardens and titans.
I wonder if the Architect knows anything about Kal Sharok and how they relate to the Blight/Darkspawn.
I wonder if he know something about Titans since he is was suppoused to disapear deep into deep roads.
The length of this video is 9:42 Dragon
Liz Flaherty lol
=O
Interesting idea with the angry young dwarves. I have an opposite theory - the blight sustains those infected, both the darkspawn and the occasional Grey Warden who fails to die during the Calling (e.g. Larius). The Kal Sharok dwarves could be nigh immortal, and thus, the low fertility rate would not be that much of an issue. It would also explain why the dwarf trading with the codex writer had his face covered and also why the city has not been wiped out yet and survived without trading for food (which Orzammar heavily relies on).
It sustain your "life" so the speak but not your mind.
The idea of the uneasiness experienced by the merchant only having one explanation - that the dwarves are blighted - seems misguided. It's possible that they are simply not cut off from their dreams and their titan(s) like the dwarves of Orzammar, which would make them seem eerie compared to the dwarves with which the merchant was familiar. Or that they are somehow connected to an old god, a forbidden/forgotten ones, lyrium... anything. So many other things than blight.
But it has to be blight related since they somehow survived the first blight and the darkspawn no doubt coming for them.
If they are shorter-lived than the Dwarves in Orzammar, along with possibly being Blighted and all of the fertility issues that already come from just being Dwarves, then it'd make a lot of sense as to why they don't care so much about caste. Breeding only within one's caste and imposing rules for how multi-caste children are treated only limits the population's fertility even further, and they might have realized that adhering so closely to the caste system will cause them to die out.
Good observations many real world societies have needed to do the same when there populations fell too low.
It's funny if you think of an argument between a Rockknocker and a Dead Legionnaire. Kal-Sharok will always overflaunt the moral high ground argument
Legionnaire: Our name is better.
Rockknocker: Oh, it sounds better in dwarven, but you wouldn't know that. Plus, at least we didn't abandon our own during a blight that got the orlesians, elves and even tevinter to stand together. Oh, it seems we may have lost half our thaigs under the new "capital", must be a bureaucratic error
Good luck finding them
Perhaps Kal-Sharok remained quiet about their continued existence out of anger towards Orzammar and its decision to seal the other thaigs away during the first blight. Combine that with that thing that makes them unsettling (personally I believe they are blighted somehow), and you've got a mystery that I hope we get to solve in DA4.
Maybe kal Sharok knows something about the titans and the sha brytol.
Okay maybe some time has passed but I think that they made a way of the joining
It is highly probable, and implied that they did have a link to Minrathous, but for some reason both Kal Sharok and the Tevinter Imperium kept the whole thing secret.
Agreed, I cannot see them not making a link to the surface at least when they were abandoned. Anything else would be ridiculous.
So could the corrupted and dying people Kal Sharok have found a Titan? And that's how they survived, maybe they had undergone the transformation like the shaper Valta or they drank pure Lyrium from the Titan's heart like the Sha-Brytol?
Maybe it's a Blighted Titan!
I've always read it as the other way around, the dwarf seeing the man as blighted. He was just describing the gaze of the dwarf and then the gaze of the warden.
Just an FYI: The Archon's name isn't the same as Fenris' former master's name. The Archon was Darinius (dah-rin-ee-us) and Fenris' former master is Danarius (duh-nare-ee-us). Slightly different.
As a Dwarf of the nobel house Aeducen, I take great interest in all things Dwarvern like Kal Sharok, but as a Warden I hope I don't have to exterminate them.
Something I've been contemplating the last few days: Do the paragon carvings of Kal Sharok have anything to do with (or maybe a historical basis in) the giant mural that Bodahn found Sandal at?
The mural was made of gold and gems, and contained depictions of elves and dragons, so it's probably more related to the time before the veil. But it's a good question as to how elven (murals of the evanuris, the fresco techinque) and dwarven art influenced each other. Maybe Kal Sharok remembers more of the past.
I don't believe the dwarves of Kal-Sharok would turn out to be essentially the same as Grey Wardens - that's almost too obvious. The Joining, at least the way the Wardens do it, requires blood magic, which the dwarves would have very limited access to (although of course it's still possible, there may have been at least a few mage wardens on their Calling headed Kal-Sharok's way). On the other hand, I like the idea that it could be something along the lines of, they found a way to apply enchantments to themselves that resist the taint, but the enchantments eventually kill them. That seems like a suitably "dwarvey" alternative to the Joining and would still line up with them seeming like Grey Wardens, being skilled fighters, and doomed to die young. Any visible enchantments could also be the reason they seem to keep themselves hooded - perhaps they do not want outsiders realizing how they survived. The guy from the codex entry does not actually say the dwarven merchant looked tainted - he actually seems to distinctly avoid saying this - which I feel is evidence against his musings being related to the dwarf having the actual taint.
Addon: Oooh, actually, a body-enchantment that wards off the taint might actually help explain Kal-Sharok's survival in another way: it could nullify the taint's effect on the dwarves' fertility, thus allowing Kal-Sharok to replenish their numbers in a way Orzammar's dwarves could not.
Lady Eleven Disir also, I’m pretty sure it requires Arch-demon blood as well, not just some random genlock...
@@mithrandirsilvertongue1406 Not originally for the first blight. Sometimes the archdemon blood is replaced by another alternative when it is in limited supply.
Sam Catterall still though, seems too far-fetched...
@@tkgwildfire5339 yea I think one of writers on Twitter said that archdemon blood just made it easier, but a lot of regular old darkspawn blood would work too
My theory is that the dwarves of Kal Sharok deveoped some kind of symbiosis with/tolerance for the Blight. It gets into their system but doesn't do any damage, kind of like opposums and rabies. The Joining slows the Blight down for a few decades, but eventually it stops working and the disease progresses. I think that the Kal Sharok method gets around that by intgrating the Blight into the dwarves somehow rather than just holding the infection back.
I'm hoping to visit kalsharok and the imperium in the next game
Give me a good Dwarven reason and sod the rest.
Now that is a good Dwarven reason
Late for the discussion, but here's a thought on the possibility of the Kal-Sharok dwarves being tainted by the Blight: considering they're very young appearance plus the fact that when Wardens take the Joining ritual they're "tainting" themselves, and from that point on they have about 30 years to live until they start hearing the Calling, could it be possible that the Kal-Sharok dwarves look so young because they, whether trough bloodline or some sort of ritual performed at infancy, are tainted as well? Because if all are expected to live to their 30's (at best), one would expect their life structure to be more accelerated (think of the salarians in Mass Effect, who have a life expectancy of 40 years and so they get PHDs at 16 years of age, a much faster life and social cycle).
Makes perfect sense! But then the question remains how they remained fertile. Especially since dwarves already seem to struggle with that anyway... asking for a queen-commander and a succession crisis waiting to happen
I believe after do many generations of being tainted they might of grown a resistance but still I think it would be cool if when they emerged they came out as goblin like creatures not exactly dark spawn but not dwarves either
OR Kal Sharok is secretly leaded by some of the dragonpriest from tevinter who might had interrest in isolation after the bleach thing was blamed on them ...
This is amazing and scaring at the same time xD
I think that rockknocker sounds better in dwarven since that sounds like their primary language since they were isolated for a thousand years
Couldn't the Kal sharok dwarves.... you know.... make more tunnels?? Like... one that goes to the surface?
They just went "oh. The road to Orzimmar is closed. Well, guess we better melt all these pickaxes down for food."
Like what? They're KNOWN for mining, but can't make some tunnels over the course of hundreds of years???
Paragon-elect and chosen on deeds promised just sounds like elections. It would make sense with shortened lifespans, as they would have less time to give accolades after great works, but the source on that seems flimsy.
I've been waiting a while for this. Thank you
What if they had to hide because they are the 1st generation born after they were cut off and through some weird thing happening to them, they are immortal like elves used to be. Don't want that to get out!
Thank you for this one! I've been trying to dig up info on this place, for a tabletop DA take I'm running...
I Just restarted Origins after getting my wife into the game recently, and I didn't know that the Dwarf origin stories mention that Orzammar is "one of two remaining" dwarven cities. Maybe it's because it was all just background stuff until DAI, but it's cool to think it was referenced that far back. Always learn something new on a playthrough.
“The Lights of Arlathan will illuminate the scryer's path. The archons possessed them, but they were misused, befouled and lost, like so much the Imperium touched. Some were saved, carried by fugitives from the elven city. Their sorrow awoke the Stone, and her children sheltered them.” ―Eleni Zinovia
I can sympathize with Kal-Sharok. Whatever their means of surviving, they've certainly been through a thousand years of hell as a result of Orzhammar's actions.
That being said, I can't back their condemnation of Orzhammar's actions. The dwarves are as strong, brave, and stalwart as they come, and they'd even thrown their own ethics away in pursuit of victory. If the Dwarves couldn't even hold the line while mass-producing golems, how could they be expected to protect so much with nothing but strength of arms?
Considering the location of Kal-Sharok and the nature of the deep roads, it's almost a certainty that the closed up tunnels had already been breached. Even the trip to render aid would end up being a campaign in itself, and likely a long and costly one at that. Assuming the other two thaigs were similarly distant, I really see no way that Orzhammar could have helped them. At the very least, no way that wouldn't leave the defenses of the capital itself mortally crippled.
Dwarves are in my opinion the most interesting race in Thedas. Sod the rest!
ha....rock knockers.....why do i picture dwarves dressed like mark hamil in "jay and silent bob strike back"? One thing known for sure. Kal sharok operates more like a secret society than anything....weird thing those sinkholes... I get that the dwarves could just "dig up" but i think its very telling the kal sharok dwarves main mode of travel to the surface is a massive calling card of darkspawn.. If grey warden's spotted those sinkholes they wouldn't think "dwarves" first AT ALL...
I really hope we will learn a lot more about Kal Sharok in Dreadwolf. I won't get my hopes high for actually visiting it, but given it's close proximity to Tevinter that's not unthinkable either.
Lmao one of the first videos I've seen without a single dislike (at the time of this comment). Well done.
Orzammar the king under the mountain
I'd like to think that whatever the Kal-Sharok dwarves did to survive, it's not something we've seen before.
Lyrium and Darkspawn blood share a lot of similar properties, and while Lyrium is used lots of different ways for different purposes, we've only seen one use for Blighted blood. Maybe the dwarves found a new way to use it.
Or, more likely, they all drink tainted blood Grey Warden style at a certain age, but have children before that point to avoid the infertility problem.
Hooray for more short lore videos :)
@0:40 correction to your disclaimer: Danarius is the name of the modern magister who used to own Fenris, whereas the lived-over-1,000-years-ago founder of the Tevinter Imperium, who was bros with King Endrin Stonehammer, was named Darinius
I wonder if they weren't as isolated as they seemed, if they had an Eluvian that connected the topside world to them or them to a certain time/place? We see it in the eluvians in the crossroads, and there is an eluvian leading into the deep roads in Trespasser. Now I know that eluvian links to elves but (speculation) they may have had a working/unlocked eluvian linked to ancient Tevinter, as they were allied with them and we know Tevinter re-used a lot of ancient elven culture, including artefacts and magic, etc. Just a theory.
They made a deal with the Architect? And they tunneled out and accidentally tainted the Dwarven people that came to trade at Laysh. The Voshai? Idk, just something I saw floating around. Sounded semi reasonable.
Archon's name is DaRinius though, not DaNirius.
Wait... maybe I'm dumb and missed something, but if Kal Sharok didn't have an entrance to the surface, how did Archon Danarius and the Imperium get down there to trade?
Nah- I didn't mention, but in the full story of 'Danirius meets the dwarves', he first finds some guards in the deep and asks to be taken to the king. Kal Sharok is only connected to the surface via the deep roads- or it was. Who knows what they built now.
And there we are. Thank you for clarifying.
For the Dwarves!!!
Awesome!
Rock knockers sound like a "bad batch" of the dwarfs. More whatever were dead anyway kinda feel.
They're likely in alliance with Tevinter, or the Anderfels.
Hey could you do a video on the ligeon of the dead
Also, the joining requires the blood of an archdemon.
The Architect is still alive
Of course he is. Even if your Warden "kills" him he surely had something like Corypheus.
Hope to God not, i think he'd be s bit cross at my Warden Tabris.
maybe they made a weird deal with the darkspawn and noone must know of it
Pale and young? Hmm, vampire dwarves?
Interesting...we have many examples in Thedas of people drinking the blood of their enemies (Reavers, those who drink dragon blood, etc.) to gain more power. What if Kal-Sharok dwarves drank the blood of darkspawn (similar to a Joining, but maybe they have their own ritual) and that's how they became immune to the Taint?
a closer bond to the titans might give them enough magic to actually perform blood magic rituals.
Kapitän JadeDejavu could be? We don’t really know enough about the titans or their lyrium magic giving abilities to say anything justifiable, I really really wants to learn more about them though, I think they’re pretty dope...
Only if they also sparkle. ;)
Zehn Waters lol this isn’t Twilight 😂
maybe they cured them self or/and become immortal
Rock knockers? Really? That with the darkspawn "taint," I really wonder what Bioware is trying to say...
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