Frank in Ireland. I spent 40 minutes in a cloud and did 30 km. My 2 euro compass saved me. It was pitch black inside and like a washing machine. Terrifying is what it feels like.
Ich finde es jedenfalls stark, dass Du das Video einstellst und Dich allen Fragen und zT auch Beleidigungen stellst. Vieln herzlichen Dank, denn ich kenne das Einsaugen bislang nur vom Hörensagen und Dein Video hilft mir auf alle Fälle dabei, schnell zu reagieren, sollte ich mal in so eine Situation kommen. Ich wette, dass jeder hier schon mal Mist gebaut hat, nur dass es davon einfach kein Video auf RUclips gibt. Danke man👍🏻👍🏻
Happened to me once - started using big ears and speed bar before being sucked in, and the vario kept beeping once in the clouds. I didnt want to risk going to lee side, etc. so within a few seconds I had decided to spiral out of it (despite never having done a spiral at that stage, but having read so much about it). Fortunately the spiral worked and as soon as I could see again I stopped the decent and headed away from the ridge.
@@juricacabraja9509 _"only spiral helps here!"_ - at 0:15 you can see that the top of the mountain is in the cloud. Definitely do NOT do a spiral close to the mountain. A spiral will keep you in the strongest part of the lift, with the wind pushing you towards the mountain. The choice of the OP was correct: big ears and speed, and fly towards the valley. He just should have done that one minute earlier.
@renedekker9806 yes, you can see that the top of the mountain is in the cloud. But it is quite far away. The height of the mountain top is about 2250 m while the pilot is close to the valley. The ground is about 1200 m at this location. So we are talking about 800 to 1000 m vertical distance between pilot and ground. No need to worry to spiral into the ground before leaving the cloud.
@@janwinders9702_"But it is quite far away"_ - it is not as far as it looks, because of the wide-angle lens. _"The height of the mountain top is about 2250 m while the pilot is close to the valley. The ground is about 1200 m at this location"_ - he is flying approximately over Sattleggers, which is at elevation 1800m. The nearest top is Naßfeldriegel, which is indeed about 2250. You can see on his vario that his altitude is 2200m in the beginning. So the distance between cloud base and ground was less than 400m. And that would have diminished rapidly if he would have drifted more towards the mountain. _"And the wind is coming from the mountain (north)"_ - it is not clear from the video which direction the wind is coming from. He was not going up very fast. Better play it safe, and fly towards the valley than to risk a spiral dive into the mountain. He made the right choice to fly towards the valley. He only should have done that much earlier (already before the video starts).
If you find yourself under a cloud, looking up, always have a 45-degree angle to the edge of the cloud (with reference to the horizon). If this angle becomes less than 45 degrees then move closer to the edge. Use speedbar as necessary.
Why you didn't go for Big Ears and Speedbar earlier is beyound me. Also - this cloud Suck wouldn't even have demanded a Spiral - mor like a few fast Circles and you would never have gotten that awkward flight!
True, the cloud had not much vertical development, not strong updraft. I had got in two times before in this flight but this time the suck was strong enough to keep me lifting with bar ears. But max 3-4 /ms for few seconds as seen.
Yep you should definitely leave the break with ears ! Ears increase incidence angle and if in addition you apply some break you can stall the glider. To decrease the incidence angle you can use the accelerator but please, do not brake when accelerating
@@MysteryScienceMan this is depending on the wing…… on my UP Dena only with brakes pulled it‘s possible to controll the Wing with big ears….. even written in the manual
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Damn. Why didn't you use ears right before you got sucked in? Did you underestimate the suck or the size of the cloud? How was the feeling inside of the cloud besides scary? 😂 Thanks for sharing
Good performance for an EN A, and specially safety.. the RAST systems makes it quite safe preventing collapses, never had an issue, always reopened before I looked up, and even during SIV I could not manage to make it hold a front collapse even with pitch acceleration pulling A bands
Es ist ehrlich gesagt, nicht allzu klug, so hoch zu steigen. Und wenn man es tut, sollten B- Leinen Stall und Steilspirale im sicherem Repoertoire sein. Was wäre gewesen, wenn das Steigen etwas stärker gewesen, und oder ein anderer Flieger plötzlich im Wolkendunst exakt vor Einem aufgetaucht wäre? Will wirklich nicht Klugschei... aber sowas kann richtig schief gehen..
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Too late on the big ears and bar. You could see you were going to be sucked in well before it happened so big ears and bar before you vanished into the white room. Once out no issues head for the blue.
Pourquoi à 0:19 tu ne decides pas d'aller droit dans l'ouverture et tu continues d'enrouler? Ça donne l'impression que tu cherches à rester dans le nuage. Après effectivement c'est la merde. Mais dans la mesure où tu as décidé d'y rester, j'ai de la peine à te plaindre?
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Frank in Ireland. I spent 40 minutes in a cloud and did 30 km. My 2 euro compass saved me. It was pitch black inside and like a washing machine. Terrifying is what it feels like.
+1. Terrifying it is. +6 with big ears. +1 with emergency spiral.
😮
Ich finde es jedenfalls stark, dass Du das Video einstellst und Dich allen Fragen und zT auch Beleidigungen stellst. Vieln herzlichen Dank, denn ich kenne das Einsaugen bislang nur vom Hörensagen und Dein Video hilft mir auf alle Fälle dabei, schnell zu reagieren, sollte ich mal in so eine Situation kommen. Ich wette, dass jeder hier schon mal Mist gebaut hat, nur dass es davon einfach kein Video auf RUclips gibt.
Danke man👍🏻👍🏻
Thank you Stefanie
Happened to me once - started using big ears and speed bar before being sucked in, and the vario kept beeping once in the clouds.
I didnt want to risk going to lee side, etc. so within a few seconds I had decided to spiral out of it (despite never having done a spiral at that stage, but having read so much about it).
Fortunately the spiral worked and as soon as I could see again I stopped the decent and headed away from the ridge.
My thoughts exactly, only spiral helps here!
@@juricacabraja9509 _"only spiral helps here!"_ - at 0:15 you can see that the top of the mountain is in the cloud. Definitely do NOT do a spiral close to the mountain. A spiral will keep you in the strongest part of the lift, with the wind pushing you towards the mountain.
The choice of the OP was correct: big ears and speed, and fly towards the valley. He just should have done that one minute earlier.
@renedekker9806 yes, you can see that the top of the mountain is in the cloud. But it is quite far away. The height of the mountain top is about 2250 m while the pilot is close to the valley. The ground is about 1200 m at this location. So we are talking about 800 to 1000 m vertical distance between pilot and ground. No need to worry to spiral into the ground before leaving the cloud.
@@renedekker9806And the wind is coming from the mountain (north). So it is pushing you into the valley. Are you even familiar with the area?
@@janwinders9702_"But it is quite far away"_ - it is not as far as it looks, because of the wide-angle lens.
_"The height of the mountain top is about 2250 m while the pilot is close to the valley. The ground is about 1200 m at this location"_ - he is flying approximately over Sattleggers, which is at elevation 1800m. The nearest top is Naßfeldriegel, which is indeed about 2250. You can see on his vario that his altitude is 2200m in the beginning. So the distance between cloud base and ground was less than 400m. And that would have diminished rapidly if he would have drifted more towards the mountain.
_"And the wind is coming from the mountain (north)"_ - it is not clear from the video which direction the wind is coming from.
He was not going up very fast. Better play it safe, and fly towards the valley than to risk a spiral dive into the mountain.
He made the right choice to fly towards the valley. He only should have done that much earlier (already before the video starts).
If you find yourself under a cloud, looking up, always have a 45-degree angle to the edge of the cloud (with reference to the horizon). If this angle becomes less than 45 degrees then move closer to the edge. Use speedbar as necessary.
Thats a good tip to keep in mind, thanks for sharing
Danke! Ich habe noch keine Ahnung von dem Sport, aber jetzt weiß ich schon mal, dass es sehr unheimlich werden kann. Sehr wertvoll, Dein Video. Danke!
was not sucked, but intentionally climbed into the cloud
In my opinion you made all right. 👍
Know where the blue sky is and use gps compass to fly out.
Fly high and save 👍🤙
Intense :-) Your relief at the end when you realized that you are out of it is visible :-D
Thanks for sharing! With Big Ears you can fly curves to get more sink. And the B-Stall was an option, too.
Good points!
But I dont know how I would handle the situation. 😋
B line pointless as you've no forward speed. Big Big ears plus bar good option just done have all that break on.
What did he need the forward speed for in that situation?
@@janwinders9702 big ears never without speedbar! It will stabelize your glider. Furthermore speed means higher sinkrate.
Had my heart pumping…!!!
Man, I felt every second of that. Isn’t it an amazing feeling when you suddenly see that green ground poking through the whiteness 😃
Aaaand Relax 👍
Totally 😆
Great place to practice spiral dive. You can easily go down with -8-10m/s while not even being in a full spiral dive. Keep cool next time.
if you do it soon enough, after some seconds i wouldnt be sure if theres enough space between cloud and ground to stop the spiral
@@luciuspk7605 Therefore you practice spiral dive to master it perfectly.
Pourquoi tu n’as pas fait des 360* serrés? C’est une bonne technique de descente rapide.
is it hard to breathe in the cloud?
Why you didn't go for Big Ears and Speedbar earlier is beyound me. Also - this cloud Suck wouldn't even have demanded a Spiral - mor like a few fast Circles and you would never have gotten that awkward flight!
That's not even half of what cloud suck feels. Get out early. Fly on the edge of cloud, not under it, especially when you getting closer.
True, the cloud had not much vertical development, not strong updraft. I had got in two times before in this flight but this time the suck was strong enough to keep me lifting with bar ears. But max 3-4 /ms for few seconds as seen.
Bstall??
Guess you'll be on big ears and speed bar a bit ealier next time.
Maybe practice a spiral or 2 😂
Im a beginner but you should not rather leave the break durring the ears ?
Yep you should definitely leave the break with ears ! Ears increase incidence angle and if in addition you apply some break you can stall the glider. To decrease the incidence angle you can use the accelerator but please, do not brake when accelerating
@@MysteryScienceMan this is depending on the wing…… on my UP Dena only with brakes pulled it‘s possible to controll the Wing with big ears….. even written in the manual
Hi Bburdy,
...danke das Du das Video eingestellt hast !!! Alle reden nur darüber und es ist "natürlich" noch nie jemandem selber passiert... jaja...
@ Respekt, das Du Dich auch gleichzeitig den ganzen dummen, arroganten bis gut gemeinten Kommentaren stellst.
WAS zu tun ist um derlei Situationen zu vermeiden wirst Du jetzt selbst sicher am besten wissen...
Always happy landings 😊
Damn. Why didn't you use ears right before you got sucked in? Did you underestimate the suck or the size of the cloud?
How was the feeling inside of the cloud besides scary? 😂
Thanks for sharing
Imagine - that twat went into the Cloud on purpose - at least thats what he is saying...
What are your experiences with the Miura? I currently fly a Mito and thinking of upgrading to either the Miura or an Epsilon DLS
Good performance for an EN A, and specially safety.. the RAST systems makes it quite safe preventing collapses, never had an issue, always reopened before I looked up, and even during SIV I could not manage to make it hold a front collapse even with pitch acceleration pulling A bands
Es ist ehrlich gesagt, nicht allzu klug, so hoch zu steigen. Und wenn man es tut, sollten B- Leinen Stall und Steilspirale im sicherem Repoertoire sein. Was wäre gewesen, wenn das Steigen etwas stärker gewesen, und oder ein anderer Flieger plötzlich im Wolkendunst exakt vor Einem aufgetaucht wäre? Will wirklich nicht Klugschei... aber sowas kann richtig schief gehen..
Effrayant ! Ravi que tu t'en sois tiré sans dommage.
Nice save.
Hey Bbrdy, do you have an email address at which we could contact you regarding this video? We would be interested to discuss a license to use this video if this is generally possible? (i.e. via email) :) Cheers, Felix
Sure, whats your email? I will write you there
@@bbrdy505 Sounds good! Our email is provided on our channels about section! :)
looks like you did it intentionally, circling to the base instead of leaving the thermal earlier
Yes that’s it
Too late on the big ears and bar. You could see you were going to be sucked in well before it happened so big ears and bar before you vanished into the white room. Once out no issues head for the blue.
One good thing - you'll only ever do it once!
I'm still traumatized 5 years later 😰
Alter Schwede 😮
Den Fluschein wohl im Lotto gewonnen!
so scary 🥺😬
That was more flew up into a cloud, very mild.
Nope.
Way too late on the ears, big mountains big clouds big risk, got to stay on your toes or you are in the white room.
Pourquoi à 0:19 tu ne decides pas d'aller droit dans l'ouverture et tu continues d'enrouler? Ça donne l'impression que tu cherches à rester dans le nuage. Après effectivement c'est la merde. Mais dans la mesure où tu as décidé d'y rester, j'ai de la peine à te plaindre?
To face the valley and keep the course away from mountain
Go out before being suck in less dangerous.