BEST CNC Machine Starting Under $30,000
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- Опубликовано: 10 янв 2024
- Titan breaks down the Syil CNC Machine. With a price starting under $30k, it’s the most advanced CNC machine that we have found.
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I / we have 200,000 students currently enrolled on our Free Academy. We also have countless shop owners who learned the trade from us … and purchased equiptment and started their own shops.
With rising prices and machine quality dropping … most will never have an opportunity to purchase a CNC Machine…
Not everyone is built to be a banker, doctor or lawyer.
Syil gives American students who may not be built for a regular college, an opportunity to chose to buy a machine instead of paying for college… then they can learn on our Academy for FREE and enter the workforce or buy more machines and manufacture parts in the USA.
It also lets more people have an opportunity to start their own shops in the US and around the world… which allows more manufacturing to be done in America.
Syil is a GREAT machine at a really low price.
Manufacturing will grow larger in the USA… because of the opportunities that our students get and because many will be able to purchase machines etc
Over the last decade you would be hard pressed to find anyone in the world that has done more for American manufacturing than Titans of CNC.
Having the best technology in the world at the lowest price, allows American companies to stay competitive and stay in business. It allows American companies to hire machinists… instead of laying them off.
Now, average machinists have an opportunity to grow and have their own machine in their garage. It’s up to them… where they take their dream to after that.
Sky is the Limit.
Titan, to go along with affordable mills, we need affordable tooling. Please take a look at YG-1 Alupower polished endmills to run in your Syil’s. I have stunning surface finishes on my Aluminium parts using YG-1 3 flute Alupower EM’s with my Syil X7.
Regards, Rob Bingham.
I want an x7! One day I'll buy one. After investing 100k in a welding business I'm about broke! I need to start saving!
This whole channel is a grift. Boom!
Thanks Titan, I really enjoy the content like this. That hints at starting your own shop. Because working for other people is absolute self degrading, because the shop's literally treat you like garbage, even if you are good, they want the cheapest illegal youngest refugee labor possible. They don't even have to speak the language. They just want them to push buttons and hand measure while letting dozens of bad parts get mixed in with the good they are okay with that. I hate coming on comments section and speaking negatively , but this gives a lot of great information and hope thanks for the hope titan. Hopefully, I could team up with my buddy in Florida someday and get a machine like this and start our own business since I am able to run set up and program. And he is able to get all the clients.
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Hi from Bulgaria. I just want to say that what you are doing with the free education in a sophisticated trade like machining and producing physical products is amazing. Congratulations on the distribution deal and keep up the good work the whole world can benefit from people like you guys!
For real. Teaching how to rig and setup the machines is a genius direction to go too
Hi mate !
Are you a machinist in Bulgaria ?
As a once salesman, don’t talk about your product, DEMONSTRATE IT, allow the product to speak for and sell itself.
What do you think their whole channel even is?
I had a cast granite frame on the little mill I started with. That thing was a beast. It could pump out parts all day long. No tool changer since the tools were all on a bed that ran across.
Paid $24,000 new back in 2015.
Great video Titan. Welcome aboard to the Syil family. Looking forward to seeing more videos. Cheers Aaron
I have the x7 for about 9 months now and I absolutely love it. Smooth, fast and very accurate. Definitely excited to see some videos on the controller and everything it can do!!! Can’t wait 🤘🏼
What kind of parts do you make?
I am basically a job shop from my home. I do almost anything that will fit in my machine. Lately I have been doing a ton of optic cuts on gun slides, I run parts for a local engineering company, prototype work and I do production work here and there.
how much did it cost to get your operation up and running?@@Kompound_Machining
Super excited to see Syil grow with you guys distributing! Hoping for some Syil lathe content soon!
I own one and LOVE the fact that you guys finally feature it!
Please make a LOT of instructional videos focused on the X7 I would love to watch it.
very cool! love seeing content and education surrounding entry level machines that are affordable! Keep it up!
Finally! I've been waiting for videos of those machines and they're almost non-existent. Can't wait for the videos!
I have an X7 in my garage with the 16 atc and syntec control. Just to clarify, the spindle is rated at 11 hp continuous and 16 hp for 30 minutes. The machine is an absolute beast for the money.
The base model referenced that starts at 34k or whatever uses an LNC controller and runs on single phase power. Spindle outputs aren’t as great.
Lots of great people and information over on the syil cnc users Facebook group. It’s currently functioned as the main hub for technical support.
Love that FB group… and thanks
Brilliant! Affordable equipment and solid documentation from Titans of CNC. This is going to hit it out of the park!
I can’t wait to see the new content for these! I’ve been looking at these for a little over a year, but have yet to pull the trigger. Reason being is I haven’t seen too many videos on these, where they put them through the paces. But hopefully this will shed a lot of light and confidence before I make a purchase. 🙂
This is Brilliant . I have been wanting to get into machining and looking at these machines in Australia but there wasn’t enough info on RUclips to help my decision. You guys are the BEST channel to do this! And the free education is so appreciated! Go Titan.
You guys are awesome! What you are doing to help grow the industry and educate people is fantastic. These machines look impressive. Will you be offering financing?
Keep up the great work. Y'all are making the world a better place!
Thanks and yes on financing
Awesome 🤩
I love my X7! It’s 3 yrs old now, never had a single issue, it’s absolutely fantastic mill. I have Siemens control and 4 axis.
How's it do for repeating itself ?
@@werestheresawillthereaway .0002" positioning accuracy and .00012" repeating accuracy
@@werestheresawillthereaway exceptionally well, and the spindle, I have no movement on a 2micron DTI in the taper, it’s super accurate.
@@werestheresawillthereaway
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What did you buy it for? Hobby?
I just got my Syil X7 in my garage. Super excited that you guys are going to make education material out of this unit!
I'm eyeing the X11 but there is little to no information or video about this model. Curious to see how it will compare to Korean made VMC of the same size.
Thanks for all the education. Currently self learning from you to become a machinist and start a side business.
These machines look absolutely stunning! They look like they would be great for education / training on!
Very interesting
Salute to you Man. For a very honest review. I have been silently watching your videos, your stories and envy your high end machines. I have heard of SYIL for quite some time and made inquiries on their machine but watching your videos made me to hesitate until I saw your video now. Thank you from the Philippines. God Bless.
We have had an X5 for about a year and it runs right alongside our three Brothers. Very pleased with the performance of this machine. The polymer granite is key in the rigidity of these machines.
I just wish the X5 had a faster chip to chip time.
We've got several Brothers. We're looking into a new R650x2, which has a pallet changer. How do you think they compare? I'm sold on Brothers but at this price point for aluminum parts it sounds like a steal.
@@quoc1465Not much slower than the Brothers and you can buy 3 for the price of one Brother
@@GrumpyMachinistWe have a 650 and two 700’s. We run some of the same parts on both machines. Utilizing adaptive roughing is the key to these 30 taper machines.
Sweet!
Any chance these machines have the precision enough to make a micron sized ruler, units of marking.
So you would have one micron wide mark, skip a micron, and then make another mark that is one micron, skip one micron, make another mark that is one micron wide, keep that pattern going, can that machine do that.
Just to reiterate in case I'm not clear, basically making a pattern of onoff, onoff, on is where you etch into the material, off is where you skip a space. And the ons and the offs are the same width of one micron wide.
I have 2 4axis syil x7’s and I’ve had one of them for over 3 years no issues they’re great machines . I’ve done over 200 jobs on it and have provided for my family with them . They’re extremely rigid they have an epoxy granite base and weigh several thousand pounds . If you don’t have the power requirements you can go single phase . These machines are extremely accurate and repeatable for the price and are capable to run long lasting production runs .
Keep the educational videos coming guys. Looking forward to the unpacking videos.
Great stuff.
I think it's great that titan puts these videos up. But if you put anything he doesn't like, such as the fact that too many shops chasing too little work for too little money he deletes the comment.
@@frankgrabasse4642 The shop my buddy works at has 200+ spindles running 3 shifts and many of the guys are working OT. There's always work for good shops.
great!!! Im interested in getting x7 for myself for my small machine shop. Thank you for being awsome!
Congratulations as the new distribiutor. I've watched some older videos of SYIL machines in the US
Thank you very much!
Super solid machines. I can't wait to put them through their paces and see what they can do.
Kill it. Some of the other videos of these machines had me second guessing. I understand it’s programmer error a lot of times. I can’t wait to see what you guys can do with them. Either way I would love to have one over the machine I built from scratch. I’ve done amazing things with it but I need to step up eventually and I’ve had my eye on these. Epoxy granite gives me warm and fuzzy feelings.
If I buy one, will you teach me how to work every aspect of it?
Hi Titan I have an X7 which I am happy with. However the machine needs a number of modifications to make it work for you. How long does it take your guys to check the hydraulic oil level in the tool release intensifier above the spindle? Once they have done this a few times, they will cut an inspection hatch with two screws.
Easy, use a dentist mirror.
And mine has needed oil once in 3 yrs.
Hi I have a dentist's mirror. I am interested to know how do you use a mirror without removing the 14 screws that hold the cover on and also releasing the 8 other screws on top of the column? Also did you find it difficult to replace the cover once removed. I cut a small rectangular piece from the return fold on the top left hand side of the cover making refitting very easy. @@MrRctintin
@@johnspathonis1078 yeah I took top cover off, only a few seconds with a cordless. I’ve modified inside my column as well, I have a solenoid valve in there on the coolant connected to a relay that opens the valve as soon as the coolant pump starts, and closes the valve when it stops. This means I have minimal coolant leaking from the nozzle once the pump stops.
Thanks Rob. I got rid of all the Syil coolant distributer system inside the cabinet. I started with a new ball valve with a decent handle. I then fitted a six port coolant ring that clamps onto the spindle housing. I only use three of the 6 ports with 3 small stainless steel nozzles. To stop any small dripping after I have finished work, I turn the ball valve off and quiclky blow away any trapped coolant with an air blast up one of the nozzles. I have advised Syil China of my modifications.@@MrRctintin
How would this machine compare to a Tormach 1100mx?
I'm debating about starting with the 1100mx to start my machining company journey with. Should I look at the X7 instead?
They don’t compare, this one beats every spec!
Do yourself a favor and RUN from tormach. I started my shop with an 1100mx 2 years ago and the z-axis ball screw snapped after 3 weeks (no idea how this happened) after countless other issues right out of the gate. Took 2 months of fighting with tormach before they finally agreed to refund the machine but I was still responsible for getting it back to them so I ended up driving it back myself from Southern California to Wisconsin. 2 years later, I’ve got 2 DN Solutions DEM’s and I’m running aerospace and medical parts on them all day every day with absolutely zero issues. If it’s between tormach and syil, I’d hands down go with either syil or a haas super mini mill. The DEM is an amazing machine but a little pricy when starting!
Doesn't compare at all, these are actually real machines.
Thanks for the info guys!
Not even close man. 1600 lbs fully dressed vs 4500 lbs. Dovetail ways vs THK linear guides and ball screws. 2 hp vs 11 hp. Options for wireless probing, a real tool changer, mist collector, chip conveyor, and the list goes on. The only reason to buy a Tormach is if you have to be able to move this thing into your work space down flight of steps in pieces.
The best comparison to an X7 is a Haas super mini and it probably beats that one too. Only perk with the haas is the cat40 spindle and better support network but it has less horsepower (Haas rates everything at 200% load) and doesn’t make peak power until 6000 rpm. The X7 makes peak power and torque at 3000 rpm. Craptastic iron casting vs epoxy granite which has better damping, stiffness ans thermal characteristics. People love to shit on the 30 taper spindles but there’s ways around the spindle rigidity limitations with the right tools, tool holders, and programming strategies. Oh and the X7 costs basically half as much.
Well this might just be the end of tormach now… I have an x7 and love it! Now that titans are the USA distributor I think this machine tool company is going to blow up! Looking forward to all the vids, Titan!
They're absolutely going to blow up. They have a solid product (some growing pains also, lets be real, but getting better). Now that they have a real distributor, it's a game changer for them.
@@OtisFlint they already had a real distributor, but not on the scale of Titans.
It going to be hard to get a x7 down the basement steps. lol
Are the Syil X5 and Syil X7 only 3 phase power?
Nothin like the smell of coolant in the morning, smells like victory.
As someone that is completely alien to the CNC world, where should I start to get into this industry?
I love it, the work they do is fascinating to me. It is so passionate to see how products are created with these machines, it feels so futuristic. Great job
I’m looking forward to seeing the SYIL’s in action!
oh same here, china machine, but we preach american all day from titan.
@@Anthony-cz2it We encourage people to reshore jobs. In order for a business to survive, they need to be able to turn a profit. This often entails buying cheaper machine tools, work holding, tooling, etc. to start.
Just because a product is made in the USA, it doesn’t mean it’s quality and/or reasonably priced. Vice versa, just because a product is made/assembled in China, it doesn’t mean it lacks quality. People forget that most of their home furnishings originated from China, the microchips in their electronics were manufactured in China, their clothing may have originated from China, etc.
Nice! I was actually thinking that TITANS OF CNC needs offer the price friendly equipment for the small shops and smaller budgets. And you team up with SYIL! They fit this void PERFECTLY! Very smart move guys.
I question the rigidity with a mineral casting instead of cast iron
There are basically two things when it comes to stiffness (rigidity): The stiffness of the material (modulus of elasticity) and the geometric stiffness hence the construction. When it comes to mineral casting the material itself isn't as stiff as cast iron but it allows for geometric designs that are very stiff while still being economic. So you can't really say that a machine out of material A is always more rigid than out of material B.
Greetings from Germany. :)
These machines are crazy and beautiful! love this!
Wow! You have a vision that will bless people and a nation! I am praying for your success!
Thank you so much!
These are attractive to me!
So that means that if I buy one from you you will be there to fix it under warranty?
yes, they plan to have on site techs
I purchased the single phase X7 with LNC control in the fall of 2021. Do you guys plan on making any content with the LNC? The single phase power is attractive to a lot of small "garage" guys like myself.
Awesome!!!!!!! Now people can afford to have their own little shop
Exactly… which means more people can become manufacturers and advance their families lives… they can produce parts in America on machines that they can afford…
Students can choose to purchase a CNC Machine instead of paying for college tuition. They can instead learn machining on our Free Machining Academy and run parts on their own machine… and instead of student debt… they will own a CNC Machine.
Every other trade pays better then machining and for a lot less knowledge. Way to many machine shops chasing to little work from customers not willing to pay an honest amount for parts. They pay the bills when they feel like it. 90+ days is common.
@@frankgrabasse4642 The biggest problem with the field of machining and other manufacturing fields is that it can be outsourced, service jobs like plumbers, electricians, auto mechanics can not be outsourced to China, Mexico and other lower cost countries. Service industries are competing against others in the US while manufacturing is competing globally.
I am well aware. And it depresses wages. Taco bell pays the same as manufacturing here. And the conditions are better, at taco bell.
What's the precision of these
hell yeah
Totally awesome. Thanks!
Looks exactly like Robodrill!
Whenever I see something budget friendly I always wonder what will give first.
My X7 has been running for 3 years and nothing has given up yet….
There’s a few guys who I’ve read about having to replace the random solenoid over the years but they were up and running again after $12 spent.
The machines are fully unlocked and have next to no proprietary parts on them. Made to be worked on and serviced easily.
What about turning centers?
They have them
damn, for that price, I want it
Great news
Yal guys have any used machines for sale? I want to start a shop in my garage. Funny this video popped up because I only have 30k to start with
hi, can you ship to Turkey?
Love your content from Libya i'm trying to make my own 5 axis cnc it will take time but hope i can get it done soon, keep creating great videos
What can i say abaut you couple of words. Boss of dreams
@titansofcnc a few things. First could you guys do some videos going over the different control options they offer for the machines? Second, are you guys going to get any of the X9's, X11's, and their lathes? Could you guys also do some videos going over all of the other options available for these machines?
This is awesome. Hoping to see some 5 axis on the SYIL as well!
These machines are insane! Super clean with amazing power!
how do you get the chips out?
On the X7 there’s a chip bin that slides out to the left. There’s also an option to add a chip conveyor.
Very cool 😎
Right on! What an epic relationship with SYIL 🔥 Can’t wait to see videos of this! BOOM!
Can't wait to see there new 5 axis machine
Want me one or two.
Can’t wait to see some X5 content, been wanting to see what that thing is capable of for a while now!
I've been eyeing these, but the lack of a solidworks / hsm post processor is the thing holding me back. Will you guys be working with them to support that? Because their x11 is the perfect size and the price is a huge selling point. A reliable 3 axis is needed, simultaneous 4th and 5th are what I would like to get my shop to one day.
Would love to see some high speed machining on these in future videos and see what they can do.
I’m looking to change my career to my passion, to what I have a degree in: machining. I’ve been seriously considering the Syil X7 to start the transition from my current job. The fact that you guys have partnered with Syil made me so happy! My wife thinks I’m crazy for reacting like this to a video. 😅
There are way too many shops chasing
Too little work. In a 30 minute drive of me there are 34 shops.
I got some similar ideas as you. But as other mention here, one need a certain plan for what parts one actually can manufacture and sell to defend the investment. Maybe go for a employment with a shop, to get experience, get a feel for what demands there are around, before starting for oneself (if one already got a good idea what to manufacture, it's different)
Great move!
Thats really cool. I also wanted to see someone like you run one if these to see what they actually capable of. Hope you guys get your hands on the x9 and x11 cuz I haven’t seen those in action at all yet.
Thank you sir for all that you do.
An awesome partnership that will help so many afford to get into this trade!
I thought Titan was all about the good old US of A 🤔
And you are right, he defentily is. It's all about getting folks started in CNC at a reasonable price level, start prodution of parts, in the US and around the world
This allows the average person to afford a machine and to learn on our free Academy. Which brings more Americans into manufacturing.
If you want to buy less machine for twice the price then go ahead and buy a Haas super mini. Nothing stopping you
@@cskovachWouldn't take one if you gave me one, there are better machines out there made with mixtures of other peoples parts that can actually cut steel
Looking to see what these machines can do! lets goooo booooooom!
Awesome can’t wait to see these things eat some chips !!
Appears to be a great machine for the $$$$ However, what about service and support? Doesn’t matter if it’s the greatest machine in the world, if you can’t get decent service what good is it? Haas are great and we have several but service is less than desirable. They have grown so much and just like everything else they can’t get enough talented support ppl. Heck it’s so bad you can take courses from them to become certified to repair and will be warranted . That’s great and all but hell now your taking good ppl that are programming , setting up etc and then expecting them to be a repairman as well. I’d want to have a great service team before I’d even consider it.
Share .STL please ❤
Hello . What is the country of origin of the machines ?
Thanks
Several different countries of parts used. The base is a Swiss product, the enclosing, sheet panels are made in German, the linear guides Japan, ++, assembled in China
Do they make a 5 axis machine???!!
Yes they do, and for under $100k!
Wow i was surprised by this one.😊
life goals to buy a machine from you titan, absolutely love everything that you do
Those are some beautiful machines right there. Man it's an awesome price!
Yes!
Anyone have a long bed 400 series lathe for sale in Texas?
I am looking for a mill for machining aluminum molds for silicon injected soft plastic that I can use to make soft plastic fishing lures. I have it narrowed down to the x5 or x7 syil, the hass small office mill with the 30,000 rpm spindle or the datron Neo German made machine. Any thoughts? All three have there pro's and con's. Programming through fusion 360.
Hello! These are all great questions. Our team would love to assist you with your machine selection. Keith Granno will be able to answer any questions you may have. If you fill out the form, he'll be in touch. titansofcnc.com/pages/talk-to-keith
What are the draw backs?
Right now, controller documentation and technical support. The Facebook group functions as the main support hub currently and it is excellent.
I'd guess getting service will be a huge drawback for a while.
@@justinm4323 there’s no secret sauce to these things. They’re easy to work on and fix yourself. If you’d rather sub that out then any seasoned cnc service tech would probably be able to help with any repairs you need.
Titan, I've been eyeing an X7 for sometime now, but have held off due to a lack of support in the US. Now that you are the US distributor, how will support for US customers change? Thank you.
We’re going to make videos on how to fix and or replace the leading items that go bad etc… we also are developing a network of individuals that are qualified to fix the machines.
If we add service beyond that, it would drive up the price of the machine.
Good news is that these machines have a very good track record for quality and their is a great Facebook group of Syil Users (5000 members) that love the machines and help each other out if anything goes wrong. As we go forward we will keep improving.
Very excited for this next chapter of TITANS of CNC! Can't wait to log some hours and make some chips on these bad boys! 😎💪
Titan are we gonna see them making chips in the future?
Absolutely!
This is awesome glad to see quality machines at great prices
Since you are located in Texas, what is the service and maintence experince like for someone like me who is in Ohio?
As an owner of an X7, I can tell you that the support from the SyilUS team has been excellent. They do not have maintenance teams like some, but for the minimal issues (and even support with 3rd party hardware and config/ladder changes), I’ve been very happy.
@user-hv7dw2lh7h thanks for replying. In the event that there is an issue that needs addressed by someone at syil or another professional would you use a 3rd party company?
I have a Hass plant relatively close by which has its appeal, but the syil seems like a better value for the money spent. I've already heard they are more accurate
@@austinconnell1967Either 3rd party or swap my own parts. I like that the controllers are pretty wide open and I can make immediate adjustments rather than waiting on a tech
They told me their plan is to have local tech available between the purchase time and the the end of the warranty period.
Will you be stocking parts in the USA?
Key question
The vast majority of the components on the machine can be purchased from any major industrial supplier and received next day. The only exception right now are the spindles.
@@cskovach Does syil provide all the mfg part numbers in the documentation?
Hello Team Titans, Could you please recommend a small scale wire edm machine for machining fracture toughness specimens?
Can we get some CMM programming tutorials please! :) I moved from CNC Programming to CMM programming recently so I would love some help!
Any automation packages with these? Do you have mastercam post for these controllers?
Access to cnc machines is still such a gap.... This helps close the gap in a big way! One suggestion is to offer a "digital twin" true simulation of the Syil machines that you are offering (Siemens has that as an option on some of their controls). Partnered with the Academy curriculum a digital twin would allow a path from completely starting with only a computer up to purchasing their first Syil machine. Way to go and thanks for all that the Titans of CNC team does to lift up advanced manufacturing in the USA and beyond!
Excellent move. Been a big Syil fan for awhile. Crashes the barrier to entry. Clean out your garage and get ready to rumble!