@@CenoriaWoah a story that has been dead for months he just happens to make a video hours before the news drop and you don’t believe any sharing of info could never happen? Idk how you’re comfortable with that.
The last part is so incredibly important that he brought up short. We don't know these content creators. They're millionaires that interacts with hundreds, sometimes thousands of faceless viewers, and only for a few hours or so. We should not hold them on a pedestal, nor should we treat them like they're our friends. They are entertainers, that's it.
That is true, at most we should treat them with respect as people but nothing too far besides that. Not everyone is going to listen to that message, but a good majority of people will and thats all we can hope for
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I feel really bad for Jschlatt in the sense that 2 times now he’s had a good group fall apart on him because some dude couldn’t keep it in his pants. People need to learn to control themselves and stop being pieces of shit.
İts happened 5 times actually. And the 3 that i know of including this one is false accusations on the most popular member of the club. İts like clockwork
after Carson, Mizkif, and now Rich - good on Schlatt for knowing when to jump ship. But also good on him for trying to stick it out after Mizkif's whole debacle. Just goes to show that any content creator you watch probably has hella skeletons in their closet.
But it’s literally in the video that the allegations against miz were not true. He just has bad friends apparently, and is too childish in addition to having severe adhd that he didn’t take it serious enough.
I like Ludwig because he helps idiot viewers like me understand how to behave within this new digital world, because I'm bad at social stuff. He's nice and funny too, but it's his genuine personality which only comes into view with important or serious topics that really make him a 5 ⭐ person to me.
As someone who doesn't know much of OTK at all, but knows the individual names being brought up, all I have to say is this organisation is trying its ass off to be a solid, clean and respected group.
The term "manchild" is overused nowadays, but mizkif is genuinely one. It's just the best way to describe him and it will save you from a lot of frustration trying to figure out why he acts the way he does. He's just a guy who never really needed to grow up.
i definitely agree with you on that. like sure he’s a little quirky and maybe even purposely annoying for bits and he does have adhd which causes him to be kind of all over the place. But, sometimes he just really doesn’t have the lights on in his head. and he acts like a toddler in so many ways. honestly i’ve been a fan of his for a while and i recently have not been tuning it at all because i’ve realized that i just end up feeling stressed or uncomfortable from watching him. maybe that’s me though
4:17 it’s not just a clear picture of sexual assault but straight up rape. In Texas (the state where OTK is located) it seems that sexual assault/rape are second degree felonies, which can lead to a 2-20 year prison sentence and a $10,000 fine. If it was aggravated then the penalty would be 5-99+ years in prison along with a $100,000 fine. This only goes over the state penalties and not the federal penalties which could be anything from 5 years to life imprisonment (15-25 years until the prisoner is eligible for parole). It should also be mentioned that he’ll have to register as a sex offender.
Since I discovered them I've liked OTK, but I never liked Crazy Slick or Rich Campbell. I didn't think they were the monsters they turned out to be, but there was something that rubbed me the wrong way about both of them. It was one of those things where I didn't like them, but couldn't really say why...
Idk why but I died watching Lud reacting to his video reacting to the Mizkif situation, and literally stretching his neck the exact same way in both videos @ 7:55
I can just tell people don't even give a shit about the victim when they keep bringing up Mizkif over his scumbag friend/roommate. Twitter has been such a weird cesspool of hate directed towards the wrong person imo
this. The guy who actually did harm to someone and the victim is barely getting talked about and the person that's been alleged to covering it up is being talked about like he's the one that did the crime
This is the first I've heard of Rich. I thought Miz did it because everyone keeps talking about him. When Train's tweets were big news, I thought it was him being mad at Miz for SA. I haven't been following what was happening though. But I've seen other comments from people thinking he did it too
@@garlicpie and that's the entire problem with how that situation was handled...xqc & Train never cared about the victim but rather only used what happened to her (due to Mizkif's old friend) to run a smear campaign on Miz that to this day people believe Miz covered it up or even did the SH/SA himself
i agree 100%. was mizkif's comeback stream tonedeaf? yes. but the people who are directing hate towards him should be focusing their energy to support the victim.
Their talking about mixing not only because he’s big but cause there nothing to say about the others. There a consensus that the victim was in the right, the friend who did it is in the wrong and what’s still in the air is mizkifs involvement. But yeah a big part is still that he’s the biggest of them.
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@ghosthunter0950 What kind of “evidence” do you even think someone could put forth? Some hidden camera video of the r*pe? A hidden voice recording as if people just have the foresight to record everything bc “hey I might be r*ped today”? It’s not like you get much out of bringing such a thing to light. If anything, you mostly receive hate and people gaslighting you on a traumatic experience you had. A bunch of dudes calling you a wh*re, clout chaser, life ruiner, etc only incentivized staying quiet. So far there’s been nothing to lead one to believe she was lying about her allegation.
@@Jigolopuff Nah, because it isn't that clear cut. Its probably smarter to gather thoughts and a come with a prepared response than to immediately answer to something like this. I do think its taking a while tho.
I will say, the cover up joke he made in his comeback stream was clearly in reference to the whole ice poseidon slur thing, hence why he said 4 years ago. But yeah aside from that, I agree the comeback stream was embarrassing and really tone deaf of him, his biggest mistake.
I think another big reason why OTK's gonna be fine is Asmongold. Like him or not, I think he handled both the Mizkif and Rich situations very well. With Miz, the leaked Discord call I think showed that he kept a clear head in figuring out what to do. With Rich, he said he knows more than we do from the investigation they did and did the right thing. Not only that, but he called people out who were immediately dismissing the person who accused Rich. Clearly the people like Tips who are working behind the scenes know what they're doing, but Asmon is basically the face of the org and he handled the drama well.
lmao yeah right, asmon handled the miz/slick situation right Clueless. He literally went on an incel rant calling alinity a liability and asked Miz to dissociate from her because its a bad look for the org. He also wished death on slick. Im not defending slick, he's a garbage human being, but wishing death on someone in front of like 100k is not handling it well.
Bro literally kicked his friend out within hours after the allegations came out. If he knew he was actually guilty, he would have done that a long time ago
Very good summary of the situation, you handled maturely and rather objectively considering you know a lot of the people involved. Not to throw shade to other people, but it seems you really are trying to inform rather than fuel more drama.
Lud fueled the drama day one by making the video without any regard for the truth. He just spread misinformation and now that the flames are biting at his ankles, he bothers to make a clarification video, mind you, one that will not come close to correcting the wrong he did. Like, seriously, Ludwig deserves to be right there with Trainwrecks and Xqc in the level of pos.
@@SeptemusHeap atleast he tries to rectify his wrongs, but wheres your anger towards xqc and train who have yet to even address or mention what they did was wrong
@@SeptemusHeap i agree he did fuel the drama from the get go but hey at least he's walking it back now. i feel terrible for miz cuz being accused of all this shit has got to be daunting. God himself could literally come down and clear him and people would still be grinding their axes ready for miz blood. X and Train REALLY owe him a public apology to be fair. the amount of hate they brought from their communities you can't even fathom and put a huge thing into motion that never should have been in the first place
@@coolnathan09 X and train are on another level FOR SURE. the amount of damage they did is unspeakable and i imagine many ppl in miz's place probably would have gone the route of ending themselves in a video game. I know he's talked about it at the very least and prob thought of it I know i would have
He completely bought the investigation at face value when it said that "there is no evidence of a cover-up." The cover-up happened (as Adrianna herself said that she was "convinced") just not as a result of a conspiracy to cover-up. Instead, it happened as a result of his sending friends to make sure it was actually sexual assault. When they were clearly too biased to do so and their presence could (and did) scare her away from making bold claims.
7:45 when first mogul mail scratches his nose then 2nd mogul mail scratches his nose followed by 2nd mogul mail stretching his neck then 3rd mogul mail stretching his neck
Can we stop pretending that train didn’t realeaae the info to get the heat of himself and gaslight the victim into thinking it was for her benefit the way he did it
honestly man train has had so much stuff that’s been swept under the rug and i have no understanding of how or why people still watch him. like even aside from that, he’s just so negative and angry. idk
ikr, it pisses me off how no one talks about it. i'm pretty sure Train never really cared about all that, all he wanted to do was to weaponize the whole thing against Miz. But never talks about the actual Criminal in this case (slick)
wild seeing this fuul being one of the only journalists in this space with a solid record of making corrections, publicly admitting to mistakes in reporting however small, and going back to maintain a consistent record of both events and statements made about those events. Hey Ludwig, want to bankroll a publication?
Are you seriously that empty in the head. He got it completely wrong the first time. If he actually cared he would take down the first video. He has no class. Lud will never be more than an opportunistic greedy douche bag. The exact person who invited Xqc into his home after X completely insulted everything about her. Yeah, Lud is a class act.
yea not really. He is ruining his own integrity by covering for a friend. Maya mitch and Miz himself even said that they went over to see how they could "Save Slick". No one went to see if she was okay or to even just talk to her. They wanted to save mizs best friend.
@@notme-gg2ok They went over a year after every thing happened. Kyle didn't tell Adriana for a year what had happened. They didn't go over trying to save Slick
Small thing that Ludwig didn't bring up that is relevant to the Rich situation... Asmongold addressed the allegations on stream where he said that anyone defending Rich would not be considered apart of the community and even advised that legal action be taken against Rich (whether she has decided to take Rich to court has remained to be seen, but I see no reason for her not to).
You have to remember the human side to this situation. She endured a trauma, and taking it to court would mean she would have defence attorneys attempting to rip her apart based on tiny unrelated details in order to destroy her credibility. Courts are not in favour of the victim when it comes to sexual assault. It adds to the trauma of the situation. You can’t recover from that shit :(
@@senatorarmstrong2100 she means the courts have adopted an utterly gruesome perspective and stance against all sexual assault allegations, as not to accidentally sentence falsely accused 'suspects' with imprisonment. This naturally forces an already-traumatized victim to repeatedly 'bare all' and relive the hellish memory of her dark painful ordeal, all to satisfy an iron-clad-shut courtroom of the law.
@@VuittonSA Innocent until proven guilty, courts have not adopted any stance, this is how it always has been in the modern world, as it should. It's absolutely crazy to me anyone could possibly think otherwise.. Is it fucked up for the victim to repeat what happened while being grilled? Yes, of course it is. How do you suggest we go about things like this or any court cases at all? Would you prefer courts assume alleged victims are telling the truth from the get go and see where it goes or what? Really, I'm curious.
When Miz jokes about covering stuff up for 4 years I don’t think he’s referring to the Slick situation, which happened 2 years ago, rather it’s a joke about his own past with Ice Poseidon. Still a poorly thought out joke, given his circumstances, his wit was simply too quick.
Which is why Ludwig is still doing Mizkif dirty and not showing proof or context to anything. Were if he actually cared and did research he can show it because there is proof out there.
Yeah with this context the joke is way better because for the past 3 years there has rarely been a stream where the topic of his edgy past hasnt come up, he talks about that shit all the time and is just now catching shit for it cuz it's the popular opinion to hate him.
Can't wait til the sixth iteration of this so we can get 10 Ludwigs on screen at once reacting to each other. RUclips will truly be prime at that point.
I'm glad Schlatt left...I think he deserves to be away from that drama, especially considering his tenure with Lunch Club...he just can't catch a break
Curious to see if we'll see any legal repercussions come from this for Train, there definitely seems to be a case there. Crazy how much damage a tweet can do, and even with the investigation over, the impact of these allegations are going to follow Mizkif for a long time.
The thing is this ""investigation"" was fake. If Mizkif was ever actually in hot water, he still is. Just because he got back in OTK doesn't mean he's innocent. OTK aren't the feds lol, they have no idea if he's truly innocent or not.
@@agrajag24 There is this little thing called defamation. Freedom of speech doesnt allow everything. You also cant attack people because of their race/religion etc. thats called a hate crime
@@agrajag24 If the case he's accused of covering up actually goes to court, he will still be implicated in it. OTK believing he's innocent means nothing.
@@agrajag24 Saying some one covered up SA without proof is not an opinion. It's defamation that has already had an impact on someones life, career and earnings. You can't just say something about someone that isn't clearly a joke or satire. Whether you believe he is innocent or not, theres a case there legally, and based on the evidence provided thus far, Mizkif would likely win it.
Bro it is nothing like the one he pulled up it is just known for the weird interaction between two dudes nothing about sexual harassment is in the video or known from the meme. The video he pulled up is so much worse and there is proof he wasn’t seeking that out.
It's well-known that Mizkiff is incapable of maintaining a serious attitude. He can't/won't address the topic but he can't ignore it and his coping mechanism is humor. This has been the case every time he has been anywhere near drama.
@@jadendumars2587 The problem is there isn't an incorrect time to be coping with negative emotions. His natural coping mechanism is going to catch him heat, so the only way to avoid that is to simply not stream until the entire situation has been resolved. Even that isn't full-proof solution as there's no telling how long that will take and even when it is resolved viewers take a while to move on from drama.
@@realNoMee or u can just realize u're a grown up adult and face the situation head on, especially when ur livelihood depends on it and when the topic involved is related to sexual assault. the "coping mechanism" excuse is about the dumbest excuse for him acting like an apathetic troll I heard.
@@realNoMee hes a public figure,his image is on the line,most people saw his guilty at the time,he should have planned that stream out better. With the knowledge that he was innocent,the stream isnt as bad but it was still dumb
7:20 - Ludwig and Ludwig take a sip out of their respective water bottles 7:53 - Ludwig and Ludwig both crack their necks to the left, then right, as they both watch Ludwig.
I really wish Miz didn’t handle this so badly. Everything the public knows seems to be pointing to him and Maya being mostly innocent in this, and if they are, the way he has treated all of this definitely isn’t making it any better.
@@Flanneryschickens Yeah you have a point, if I was accused of something like that on a public platform, I wouldn’t really know how to handle it either. Still though, he should’ve thought his return stream through a bit more. He definitely could’ve done that better.
innocent yet he returned to streaming joked abiut covering it up and then said none of it matters because hes still getting views - just because he didnt do it doesnt mean he is innocent
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Mogul Mail reacting to himself reacting to himself and then imitate himself imitating himself is the peak Ludwig content
@Моgul МаiI 🅥 imagine going this far out of your way to rationalize how little people care about you and your content. You’re a fool.
They got me with these links
Feels like mango reacting to the wizzrod
Just a dude playing a dude, who's playing another dude 🤷
Who is ludiwg
ludwig synching with himself in 3 povs is unsettling but also intriguing
It's because Ludwig isn't real. He was created by the United States government to infiltrate the Twitch space and influence generation z.
Was it not two?
He gives himself time to talk, I respect that
Asmongold pov
IN SYNC? SYNCHRONY? SYNCHRONIC? A SYNC IN THE SINK???
How he can play a video with other 2 reactions of himself and still mantain the cohesion, top communication skills
Wait did he drop this video before OTKs statement, that’s kinda weird…
@Sine Nomine me pointing out how weird it is makes you this upset? You normally get this emotional about the internet, you sure you’re not projecting?
“I’m just correcting that now” right before OTKs drop, just interesting.
@@sizzlingwall716 No, seriously - he's right. Go outside. You shouldn't be upset or uncomfortable about this.
@@CenoriaWoah a story that has been dead for months he just happens to make a video hours before the news drop and you don’t believe any sharing of info could never happen? Idk how you’re comfortable with that.
Lud taking a sip in synch with his past self at 7:20 just feels right
Holy shit man the bots are going wild
Not to mention a 3rd sip by his other past self mere seconds later 7:26
I was about to say that lol
and stretches neck right after seeing himself do it at 7:51
That's 100% an intentional bit, he's aware lmaoo
The last part is so incredibly important that he brought up short. We don't know these content creators.
They're millionaires that interacts with hundreds, sometimes thousands of faceless viewers, and only for a few hours or so.
We should not hold them on a pedestal, nor should we treat them like they're our friends. They are entertainers, that's it.
Lesson of the day
That is true, at most we should treat them with respect as people but nothing too far besides that.
Not everyone is going to listen to that message, but a good majority of people will and thats all we can hope for
Always put entertainment on a pedestal. Criticize the content your watching lmao don't sit there and just have someone give you an opinion.
Too bad kids fall for it
Don't meet your heroes, as they say (or your streamers, in this case)
That moment at 7:20 when Ludwig takes a sip right when he does as well in the video he's displaying had me laughing out loud!!
And then at 7:25 the Ludwig in the video of the Ludwig that Ludwig is responding to, takes a delayed sip! 😂
@@Narnacle and then 7:52 with the neck stretches/cracks.
It’s basically a reactionary thing. If you frequently crack your knuckles and you see someone else do it you had a tendency to do it too
bruh he did that on purpose to test something out, you can see him looking for the bottle deliberately
Only Ludwig would know what Ludwig was going to do while reacting to ludwig
i just know ludwig was feeling so clever drinking something at the exact same time he did in the OG video lmao
@im sacred 2 year old loser
I was literally just thinking that lulw
You can see him prepping for it lol
I like how all three variations of Mogul Mail and Ludwig were taking sips in the clips, 2 of them even synchronized.
10/10 video
He 100% did that on purpose
Waiting for a 4th
He stretched after he did too
I would love to see a colab between mogul mail and ludwig
that'd be sick
@Tygor you like it?
Mogul mail killed Ludwig so that wouldn't work
ah love seeing this on every video
I love this current collaboration between Ludwig and OTK dropping this hours before their statement about miz, isn’t that a little weird?
Lud and Charlie should swap channels for a day and make content that they believe the other would make. 😂
Why is this a joking matter, bryan?
@@paulallen2680 let's see your version of a mogul mail video.
Aren’t they pretty much the same
April fools 2023
Yes this would be great
perfect video for my iced coffee
guys i dont think thats the real mogal mail……….
@mogulmailofficial Rocketship 8===D~~
@@Emileave It says Mogul Mail Official, its the official account
@@Emileave it is click the link bro
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I feel really bad for Jschlatt in the sense that 2 times now he’s had a good group fall apart on him because some dude couldn’t keep it in his pants. People need to learn to control themselves and stop being pieces of shit.
İts happened 5 times actually. And the 3 that i know of including this one is false accusations on the most popular member of the club. İts like clockwork
what?
@@mattnic001 lunch club and carson
the back-to-back lud neck crack at 7:52 is incredible
He felt it from the past and had to repeat it.
Mogul Mail reacting to Mogul Mail reacting to Ludwig reacting to Mizkif
Inside moment
Are Ludwig and mogul mail same person?
@@JustDexterr no
@@JustDexterr nope, definitely not
@@JustDexterr They don't even look alike.
the only thing im grateful to otk for is making ludwig and jerma meet up
You mean the skinwalker inhabiting jermas lifeless skin suit?
@@ratt2453 we get it you’re a new jerma fan
@@eggsbruhnadict4298 that comment reads more like a long time jerma fans lmao
@@eggsbruhnadict4298 CAREFULL! THIS IS A BOT FROM ALTJERMA, HE IS SPREADING MISINFORMATION/INFORMATION(not sure yet)
@@eggsbruhnadict4298 more like long time fan
schlatt the goat realistically
I’m really uncomfortable with this video being released hours before OTK statement was released.
@@sizzlingwall716 why was this a reply to this comment
@@choppstix5856 want to spread information that makes me personally uncomfortable.
@@sizzlingwall716 ok
@@sizzlingwall716 could you give me some context? i'm not really in the loop on this kind of stuff
I love watching Ludwig reacting to Ludwig reacting to Ludwig
Umm this is Mogul Mail
Who the hell is Ludwig?
Dude wtf that Ludception section was impeccable. 11/10 on Yelp, gonna need more Ludwig seamlessly reacting to Ludwig reacting to Ludwig reacting to...
Having watched this 39 times already i can confirm its an Mogul mail classic
@Моgul МаiI 🅥 damn bruh, is that THE mogul mail?
Only 39 😒 casual
@@angishangi2876 39 times in 30 min is pretty impressive tho, man's such a fan he warped space time---
*a?
after Carson, Mizkif, and now Rich - good on Schlatt for knowing when to jump ship. But also good on him for trying to stick it out after Mizkif's whole debacle. Just goes to show that any content creator you watch probably has hella skeletons in their closet.
But mizkif didn’t have skeletons it was a smear campaign by train and xqc cuz he got gambling off of twitch
do you have skeletons in your closet
@@hittheclub50deep31 He backed his friend who SA someone lmao. He's a dipshit at the end of the day and that isnt changing.
But it’s literally in the video that the allegations against miz were not true. He just has bad friends apparently, and is too childish in addition to having severe adhd that he didn’t take it serious enough.
@@hittheclub50deep31 he 100% did tho... regardless of what you think he covered it up
Still mad people didn't go after Train for actively withholding the info until he could use it as a weapon
I don't like when ludwig leans forward when i'm leaning forward
LMAOOOOO
The fanfic writers are gonna love this new "Interpersonal Relationship - Y/N x Mogul Mail" fanfiction.
Its ok, truth is often hard to admit
Notice at 7:47 the small Lud scratches his nose, medium Lud then does. Medium Lud cracks his neck then Big Lud does.
I envy how organized he was when preparing this video
It's crazy he has no cuts 😂
Schlatt left OTK because they were dangerously close to uncovering what he did in 1999 :(
i missed this one. he did something?
@@umop3plsdn you don’t want to know what he did back in ‘99
@@pattykcake ok this is just a meme then lol you had me going for a second
@@umop3plsdn they call him "steel toe"
@@umop3plsdn he was born in 1999 so idk what you thought he might have done then 😂
I like Ludwig because he helps idiot viewers like me understand how to behave within this new digital world, because I'm bad at social stuff.
He's nice and funny too, but it's his genuine personality which only comes into view with important or serious topics that really make him a 5 ⭐ person to me.
As someone who doesn't know much of OTK at all, but knows the individual names being brought up, all I have to say is this organisation is trying its ass off to be a solid, clean and respected group.
You should upload these in the morning. This kinda content’s great to watch with cereal right out of bed
Time zones buddy
Just... Don't watch them till morning?
@@monroe8143 black men kissing buddy
bruh this was absolutely not a comfy breakfast cereal kind of video
timezones? the world doesnt reolve around you mate just wait until the next morning to watch it if you want to that bad
The camera is so close it's giving me anxiety 💀
You were not lying god damn
@mogulmailofficial really fucked up to post on ludwig's channel. Hopefully whoever made the bot did not intentionally place it here.
If it’s giving you anxiety I can’t imagine what going outside does to ya
@@jac1011report and move on
Imagine if he read this and in his next video the camera is closer
The term "manchild" is overused nowadays, but mizkif is genuinely one. It's just the best way to describe him and it will save you from a lot of frustration trying to figure out why he acts the way he does.
He's just a guy who never really needed to grow up.
The guy does have medicated adhd so take in his "personality" with a grain of salt, as it is a condition which often impacts an individuals "filter"
i definitely agree with you on that. like sure he’s a little quirky and maybe even purposely annoying for bits and he does have adhd which causes him to be kind of all over the place. But, sometimes he just really doesn’t have the lights on in his head. and he acts like a toddler in so many ways. honestly i’ve been a fan of his for a while and i recently have not been tuning it at all because i’ve realized that i just end up feeling stressed or uncomfortable from watching him. maybe that’s me though
@@Angoose_ while this is true it doesn’t justify making light of SA that’s just not how that works at all lol 💀
@@Angoose_ adhd is not an excuse for being a bad person.
@@Angoose_ that doesn't excuse any of his myriad of assholery
I go to you and Moist for my internet news to thank you for the existence of this channel
@Моgul МаiI 🅥 nice fake verification bot
4:17 it’s not just a clear picture of sexual assault but straight up rape. In Texas (the state where OTK is located) it seems that sexual assault/rape are second degree felonies, which can lead to a 2-20 year prison sentence and a $10,000 fine. If it was aggravated then the penalty would be 5-99+ years in prison along with a $100,000 fine.
This only goes over the state penalties and not the federal penalties which could be anything from 5 years to life imprisonment (15-25 years until the prisoner is eligible for parole). It should also be mentioned that he’ll have to register as a sex offender.
Since I discovered them I've liked OTK, but I never liked Crazy Slick or Rich Campbell. I didn't think they were the monsters they turned out to be, but there was something that rubbed me the wrong way about both of them. It was one of those things where I didn't like them, but couldn't really say why...
Excited to watch
@Моgul МаiI 🅥 shut up
Mogul mail and moist critikal are my RUclips bible for drama and news 😂
idk... for me it's Charlie and Ludwig. I think they're much better.
@@Moghty funny
I'm about Ludwin and penguinz0
7:55 ludwig unknowingly copying his past self sent me into a matrix spiral
@@funkysocks_ shhh, ignorance is bliss.
7:15 why did you have to take a sip for all 3 reactions...
7:53 The neck cracking is SPREADING!!!
Idk why but I died watching Lud reacting to his video reacting to the Mizkif situation, and literally stretching his neck the exact same way in both videos @ 7:55
Happy new year!
Happy New year!
You too man :)
I can just tell people don't even give a shit about the victim when they keep bringing up Mizkif over his scumbag friend/roommate. Twitter has been such a weird cesspool of hate directed towards the wrong person imo
this. The guy who actually did harm to someone and the victim is barely getting talked about and the person that's been alleged to covering it up is being talked about like he's the one that did the crime
This is the first I've heard of Rich. I thought Miz did it because everyone keeps talking about him. When Train's tweets were big news, I thought it was him being mad at Miz for SA. I haven't been following what was happening though. But I've seen other comments from people thinking he did it too
@@garlicpie and that's the entire problem with how that situation was handled...xqc & Train never cared about the victim but rather only used what happened to her (due to Mizkif's old friend) to run a smear campaign on Miz that to this day people believe Miz covered it up or even did the SH/SA himself
i agree 100%. was mizkif's comeback stream tonedeaf? yes. but the people who are directing hate towards him should be focusing their energy to support the victim.
Their talking about mixing not only because he’s big but cause there nothing to say about the others. There a consensus that the victim was in the right, the friend who did it is in the wrong and what’s still in the air is mizkifs involvement. But yeah a big part is still that he’s the biggest of them.
Last year Ludwig put on events that individually over shadowed the first subathon. This year will be bigger and better, but if it's not, 2022 will always be a year to be truly proud of.
@Моgul МаiI 🅥 ahahaha this guy ratioed a bot lol
jesus christ I had no idea Rich did all that shit, great informative video as usual
The allegation via twitlonger and Rich leaving OTK happened so fast, it was barely discussed. Not surprising people didn't hear much about it.
I really didn't see anything remotely close to evidence. Don't just go and believe it, let's wait and see what comes out.
The fact that he didnt deny anything immediately is pretty telling.
@ghosthunter0950
What kind of “evidence” do you even think someone could put forth? Some hidden camera video of the r*pe? A hidden voice recording as if people just have the foresight to record everything bc “hey I might be r*ped today”?
It’s not like you get much out of bringing such a thing to light. If anything, you mostly receive hate and people gaslighting you on a traumatic experience you had. A bunch of dudes calling you a wh*re, clout chaser, life ruiner, etc only incentivized staying quiet. So far there’s been nothing to lead one to believe she was lying about her allegation.
@@Jigolopuff Nah, because it isn't that clear cut. Its probably smarter to gather thoughts and a come with a prepared response than to immediately answer to something like this. I do think its taking a while tho.
7:21 you can see all 3 are almost in sync drinking
Wait for it
i made sure notifications were on for mogul mail when i saw the OTK news on twitter. next we wait for charlie🤝
I will say, the cover up joke he made in his comeback stream was clearly in reference to the whole ice poseidon slur thing, hence why he said 4 years ago. But yeah aside from that, I agree the comeback stream was embarrassing and really tone deaf of him, his biggest mistake.
6:45 is literally the bo burnham bit from inside
Tbh I didn't know about the Schlatt thing, I hope things go well for Big Guy and I'll continue following his content
same here wishing him all the best he deserves some good luck after all the things he has been through in recent years
I remember watching Stanz watch Hasan watch Mizkif that day. It was insanely painful to witness.
Remember when esports orgs were just teams that played in game tournaments? Good times
The 3 ludds in a row are killing me 💀
I think another big reason why OTK's gonna be fine is Asmongold. Like him or not, I think he handled both the Mizkif and Rich situations very well. With Miz, the leaked Discord call I think showed that he kept a clear head in figuring out what to do. With Rich, he said he knows more than we do from the investigation they did and did the right thing. Not only that, but he called people out who were immediately dismissing the person who accused Rich.
Clearly the people like Tips who are working behind the scenes know what they're doing, but Asmon is basically the face of the org and he handled the drama well.
Asmon feels like the new lightning rod of OTK, like his statement about that small dick Andrew Tate "being like MLK"... like what?
lmao yeah right, asmon handled the miz/slick situation right Clueless. He literally went on an incel rant calling alinity a liability and asked Miz to dissociate from her because its a bad look for the org. He also wished death on slick. Im not defending slick, he's a garbage human being, but wishing death on someone in front of like 100k is not handling it well.
asmongold is a clown bro
Bro literally kicked his friend out within hours after the allegations came out. If he knew he was actually guilty, he would have done that a long time ago
@@senatorarmstrong2100 It seems likely a case of Asmon believed Rich had changed but didn't.
7:20 i been waiting for the double sip for weeks im glad i finally caught it
Very good summary of the situation, you handled maturely and rather objectively considering you know a lot of the people involved. Not to throw shade to other people, but it seems you really are trying to inform rather than fuel more drama.
Lud fueled the drama day one by making the video without any regard for the truth. He just spread misinformation and now that the flames are biting at his ankles, he bothers to make a clarification video, mind you, one that will not come close to correcting the wrong he did. Like, seriously, Ludwig deserves to be right there with Trainwrecks and Xqc in the level of pos.
@@SeptemusHeap atleast he tries to rectify his wrongs, but wheres your anger towards xqc and train who have yet to even address or mention what they did was wrong
@@SeptemusHeap i agree he did fuel the drama from the get go but hey at least he's walking it back now. i feel terrible for miz cuz being accused of all this shit has got to be daunting. God himself could literally come down and clear him and people would still be grinding their axes ready for miz blood. X and Train REALLY owe him a public apology to be fair. the amount of hate they brought from their communities you can't even fathom and put a huge thing into motion that never should have been in the first place
@@coolnathan09 X and train are on another level FOR SURE. the amount of damage they did is unspeakable and i imagine many ppl in miz's place probably would have gone the route of ending themselves in a video game. I know he's talked about it at the very least and prob thought of it I know i would have
He completely bought the investigation at face value when it said that "there is no evidence of a cover-up."
The cover-up happened (as Adrianna herself said that she was "convinced") just not as a result of a conspiracy to cover-up.
Instead, it happened as a result of his sending friends to make sure it was actually sexual assault. When they were clearly too biased to do so and their presence could (and did) scare her away from making bold claims.
Happy new year everyone and Ludwig!
Ludwig reacting to himself while him and his reaction and his reactions reaction all taking a drink together is peak content
Ludwig doing the same fidgets as the video from yesterday is so funny to me
I’m glad I’m not the only one who noticed that little head tilt twice. Too bad the interior Ludwig didn’t do the tilt as well.
Just made something to eat and this dropped im overjoyed
7:45 when first mogul mail scratches his nose then 2nd mogul mail scratches his nose followed by 2nd mogul mail stretching his neck then 3rd mogul mail stretching his neck
Can we stop pretending that train didn’t realeaae the info to get the heat of himself and gaslight the victim into thinking it was for her benefit the way he did it
The reality is it doesnt matter. Thus your entire comment is just stupid.
honestly man train has had so much stuff that’s been swept under the rug and i have no understanding of how or why people still watch him. like even aside from that, he’s just so negative and angry. idk
ikr, it pisses me off how no one talks about it. i'm pretty sure Train never really cared about all that, all he wanted to do was to weaponize the whole thing against Miz. But never talks about the actual Criminal in this case (slick)
I finally found a rare clip of Ludwin, Ludwig, and Mogul Mail together
during the videoception at 8:00 the mans be doing all the same things in each video all in a line lol
wild seeing this fuul being one of the only journalists in this space with a solid record of making corrections, publicly admitting to mistakes in reporting however small, and going back to maintain a consistent record of both events and statements made about those events. Hey Ludwig, want to bankroll a publication?
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@@abhishekbharadwaj1241 Q
The more Mogul Mails he does the more tabs there are at the beginning of every video
rewatch the most replayed and watch all 3 ludwigs drink almost in sync its hilarious
Ludwig’s handling of the covering of the situation here is proper class, you can tell he was an English/Journalist major. Lots of respect 3:39
Are you seriously that empty in the head. He got it completely wrong the first time. If he actually cared he would take down the first video. He has no class. Lud will never be more than an opportunistic greedy douche bag. The exact person who invited Xqc into his home after X completely insulted everything about her. Yeah, Lud is a class act.
Any normal person would’ve lost their job for this.
yea not really. He is ruining his own integrity by covering for a friend. Maya mitch and Miz himself even said that they went over to see how they could "Save Slick". No one went to see if she was okay or to even just talk to her. They wanted to save mizs best friend.
@@notme-gg2ok They went over a year after every thing happened. Kyle didn't tell Adriana for a year what had happened. They didn't go over trying to save Slick
You can use Ctrl + W to close the current tab instead of middle click
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@@MogulMail i didn't even finish watching the video and got a notif lol
@@MogulMail🥹💀
No idea why people decided that real world criminal shit is equal to twitch drama.
The synchronised drinking at 7:20 tho
Happy new year lud have a good year
8:04 lol Ludwig going inception mode.
Small thing that Ludwig didn't bring up that is relevant to the Rich situation... Asmongold addressed the allegations on stream where he said that anyone defending Rich would not be considered apart of the community and even advised that legal action be taken against Rich (whether she has decided to take Rich to court has remained to be seen, but I see no reason for her not to).
You have to remember the human side to this situation. She endured a trauma, and taking it to court would mean she would have defence attorneys attempting to rip her apart based on tiny unrelated details in order to destroy her credibility. Courts are not in favour of the victim when it comes to sexual assault. It adds to the trauma of the situation. You can’t recover from that shit :(
@@isabellairon8420 what you mean by courts are not in the favour of the victim? Men always serve jail time
@@senatorarmstrong2100 she means the courts have adopted an utterly gruesome perspective and stance against all sexual assault allegations, as not to accidentally sentence falsely accused 'suspects' with imprisonment. This naturally forces an already-traumatized victim to repeatedly 'bare all' and relive the hellish memory of her dark painful ordeal, all to satisfy an iron-clad-shut courtroom of the law.
@@VuittonSA according a recent survey, 80 percent of the victims reserve justice from the courts. Thats pretty high if you ask me
@@VuittonSA Innocent until proven guilty, courts have not adopted any stance, this is how it always has been in the modern world, as it should.
It's absolutely crazy to me anyone could possibly think otherwise.. Is it fucked up for the victim to repeat what happened while being grilled? Yes, of course it is.
How do you suggest we go about things like this or any court cases at all? Would you prefer courts assume alleged victims are telling the truth from the get go and see where it goes or what? Really, I'm curious.
Oh no an inappropriate joke, I better go grab my peaky blinders to cover my eyes because I can't handle an inappropriate joke I'm going to cry
this guy lowkey looks like ludwig
the 7:22 sync with all of Ludwig's possible timelines.
When Miz jokes about covering stuff up for 4 years I don’t think he’s referring to the Slick situation, which happened 2 years ago, rather it’s a joke about his own past with Ice Poseidon. Still a poorly thought out joke, given his circumstances, his wit was simply too quick.
Which is why Ludwig is still doing Mizkif dirty and not showing proof or context to anything. Were if he actually cared and did research he can show it because there is proof out there.
true true
Yeah with this context the joke is way better because for the past 3 years there has rarely been a stream where the topic of his edgy past hasnt come up, he talks about that shit all the time and is just now catching shit for it cuz it's the popular opinion to hate him.
@@NaxipTV. Nah, he made his own bed.
@@RobotMasterSplashright, cuz I’m sure you’re so perfect
lud cracking his neck after lud cracks his neck is too funny to me
mogul mail cracking his neck after ludwig*
I love how at 7:23 Ludwig and Ludwig in the clip at the same time both pick up a water bottle and take a drink 🤣
The fact that while watching the clips, Ludwig repeats every action he did-
Happy new year
7:21 takes a drink at same time of his reax of his reax video. The very modern model of a Meta Mogul Mailmain.
Can't wait til the sixth iteration of this so we can get 10 Ludwigs on screen at once reacting to each other. RUclips will truly be prime at that point.
I'm glad Schlatt left...I think he deserves to be away from that drama, especially considering his tenure with Lunch Club...he just can't catch a break
Triple Ludwigs bro
Ludwig reacting to Mogul Mail reacting to Ludwig
Oh shit, I didn't realize Jschlatt left OTK. I was really concerned about him with both shitty controversies happening with OTK
Curious to see if we'll see any legal repercussions come from this for Train, there definitely seems to be a case there. Crazy how much damage a tweet can do, and even with the investigation over, the impact of these allegations are going to follow Mizkif for a long time.
The thing is this ""investigation"" was fake. If Mizkif was ever actually in hot water, he still is. Just because he got back in OTK doesn't mean he's innocent. OTK aren't the feds lol, they have no idea if he's truly innocent or not.
@@agrajag24 There is this little thing called defamation. Freedom of speech doesnt allow everything. You also cant attack people because of their race/religion etc. thats called a hate crime
@@agrajag24 If the case he's accused of covering up actually goes to court, he will still be implicated in it. OTK believing he's innocent means nothing.
@@EXP_Jenova A third party law firm investigated Miz and found him not guilty, not OTK.
@@agrajag24 Saying some one covered up SA without proof is not an opinion. It's defamation that has already had an impact on someones life, career and earnings. You can't just say something about someone that isn't clearly a joke or satire. Whether you believe he is innocent or not, theres a case there legally, and based on the evidence provided thus far, Mizkif would likely win it.
7:23 the In sync sip of water😂
fake offense of lack of empathy followed by fake punishment of suspension, that sure is one hell of a way to run things
Sexual harassment was the wrong video. You can see his search in youtube he was looking for a gachi video.
that video that he intended to pull up is still a sexual harassment parody video
Bro it is nothing like the one he pulled up it is just known for the weird interaction between two dudes nothing about sexual harassment is in the video or known from the meme. The video he pulled up is so much worse and there is proof he wasn’t seeking that out.
Not only Impressive multiverse camera technique. But I love the soy face emote that comes up with that line 8:21
It's wild to me that Mizkif got attacked more than Slick, the fucking guy who did the actual SA.
Watching 3 ludwigs behave the exact same way at once is peak
7:17 synchonized drinking, pure gold
7:36 Bo Burnham moment
Happy new year you to too Lud
I love Mogul Mail playing a reaction to a Mogul Mail clip that is a reaction to a Mogul Mail clip which is a reaction to a relevant Mizkif clip
It's well-known that Mizkiff is incapable of maintaining a serious attitude. He can't/won't address the topic but he can't ignore it and his coping mechanism is humor. This has been the case every time he has been anywhere near drama.
this is true,cope with humor. he needs to learn theres a time and a place for it though,even though he is innocent
@@jadendumars2587 The problem is there isn't an incorrect time to be coping with negative emotions. His natural coping mechanism is going to catch him heat, so the only way to avoid that is to simply not stream until the entire situation has been resolved. Even that isn't full-proof solution as there's no telling how long that will take and even when it is resolved viewers take a while to move on from drama.
@@realNoMee or u can just realize u're a grown up adult and face the situation head on, especially when ur livelihood depends on it and when the topic involved is related to sexual assault. the "coping mechanism" excuse is about the dumbest excuse for him acting like an apathetic troll I heard.
@@realNoMee hes a public figure,his image is on the line,most people saw his guilty at the time,he should have planned that stream out better. With the knowledge that he was innocent,the stream isnt as bad but it was still dumb
@@jadendumars2587 he's only partly innocent be still used his clout against Adriana tho that's all he really did
It’s not a drama, it was a full on fucking crime committed
7:20 - Ludwig and Ludwig take a sip out of their respective water bottles
7:53 - Ludwig and Ludwig both crack their necks to the left, then right, as they both watch Ludwig.
I really wish Miz didn’t handle this so badly. Everything the public knows seems to be pointing to him and Maya being mostly innocent in this, and if they are, the way he has treated all of this definitely isn’t making it any better.
I don't know if it's possible for an innocent person to react well to an accusation like that, to be fair
Yeah dude kinda fucked him and Maya even more by putting even more eyes on this. This drama should been over months ago instead here we are again
@@Flanneryschickens Yeah you have a point, if I was accused of something like that on a public platform, I wouldn’t really know how to handle it either. Still though, he should’ve thought his return stream through a bit more. He definitely could’ve done that better.
innocent yet he returned to streaming joked abiut covering it up and then said none of it matters because hes still getting views - just because he didnt do it doesnt mean he is innocent
@@xonpluto7430 im inclined to think that joking about it although insensitive is no where near as bad as actually being guilty of a cover up