@@colegreene2153 really comes down to reliability. The worse the reliability, the harder the hit. Using the car mileage and value calculator, a loaded 2023 F-350 loses -17k just for mileage at 100k.
I see a lot of wealthy middle managers going for luxury spec trucks to tow luxury 5th wheels since the explosion of RV camping popularity during Covid; there is a reason manufactures are charging ridiculous amounts, but still sell better then pre-Covid. The gap between the “rich” and the “poor” grows every day, and trucks are marketed to the highest bidder.
I might agree. Lots of folks buy trucks that do not "need" a truck. I bought my 2013 F450 Platinum, I used it but took care of it. Great for towing... But I did not "need" a f450! Lol
Or just get a platinum and enjoy your extra features until they do break if ever. Then if they do break just don’t fix them and keep driving the truck without your heated seats and fancy stuff
Let’s be honest. The person buying the Platinum Tremor isn’t actually using it for a work truck. It might tow a camper or a boat now and then. But the guy buying the XL is probably going to have a toolbox or fuel tank in the bed and a plow on the front, or be pulling an equipment trailer. And that guy will still be $35k less into his rig.
Great review. I think the price difference would hit home even more if you show the XL with a trailer and a Quad or other off-roader loaded on it for the equivalent (or lower) price of the Platinum!
All terrain tires, bed liner, upgraded exhaust, and maybe running boards on the xl and it would be perfect. I look at that diesel engine and there's no way I could work on that.
Yeah I couldn’t actually believe he was “bothered” by the lack of cameras. I’ve seen enough clowns at the boat ramp that can’t back up a trailer to save their life.
I have a 2023 F250 STX with the 6.8 with a payload of 3950. So far I love it. It has great power and really gets up and goes compared to my 2023 Tacoma i had. I am averaging 16mpg driving in PA. The 10r100 tranny is smooth and very responsive.
Any issues with the 6.8? How many miles do you have? I want to buy a f250 and just worried about the new 6.8 vs the 7.3. Any feedback would be appreciated
@@davidgomez4565 I have 4000 miles so far it has been amazing i was going to get the 7.3 but found this one on the lot and 5k off MSRP so I got it. No regrets so far
@@lawrenceralph7481see that is where you are wrong. My wife and I have no college education and I am a truck driver and she is a book keeper. She drives an 21 F150 King Ranch and I drive an 20 F350 XLT. Plus we have 5 kids. Average people do watch and buy these
Coming from someone who only drives work trucks… it’s a little pathetic how shocked they are about the lack of features. That work truck would be so much for useful and wouldn’t worry about getting it dirty.
If you really need a truck for real work, the XL or STX with gas V8 is the way to go. I agree the money saved would be better used to buy another loaded vehicle that is smaller and more efficient.
Great video! Really interesting that the base truck had more features than the top of the line trucks that were available back in the 1990s. Id go basic truck every day. The costs of top of the line make zero sense and these trucks only exist because of easy credit and people being conditioned to pay $1200/month for 72 months. Thanks for making this video. I’d love to see something like this for the Toyota Tundra.
I couldn't agree more. I ordered my new 23 Ram 2500 tradesman built to my spec. Crew cab 4x4 very basic 51k That's less than most 1/2 ton trucks anymore.
That’s called American consumerism for dumb people lol. Apparently showing off how big of a loan they can get approved for is what matters to people paying these prices.
If we're being honest, nobody "needs" most of the features on that Platinum. Anyone that claims to "need" massaging seats and 10 cameras on their vehicle is just lying to themselves.
XL All Day .... Old School 10 wide Chrome 16 inch Wheels wrapped in 35/12.50 with sidewalls for days and dual flowmaster exhaust just screaming 90s monster truck LoL
I got my 2023 xl f350 saw crew cab diesel 4x4 on Black Friday for $59800. It’s step down for me but honestly I love it because it’s literally now only for work where before I was working/daily driving with my prior 2016. It has more features than I ever thought at that trim level.
50,000 price difference. That is insane. I’d take the 6.8 all day. It will do the job of the 6.7ho all day just slower. Maintenance is cheaper, engine parts are cheaper, all the hard parts other than the engine are the same. Overload springs are cheap and very easy to install if needed. 90% of the folks driving HD trucks don’t need them anyway.
That's a REALLY good point! And I'm a diesel fan, but, man... it's hard to argue that $50,000 price spread. Personally, I'd go diesel and run that thing until the wheels fell off. Hopefully it would be good to me for at least 10 years, preferably 15 to 20 years, for that price point.
$10,000-$12000 over the price of a gasser plus def plus higher maintenance costs? $10,000 buys A LOT of gasoline (which is often much cheaper than diesel in my area). I think this notion that going diesel if you tow regularly is going to save you money has been a moot point for a while. I think you'd have to be towing a very heavy load all day, every day for ~100,000 miles before you start to see a benefit. Very few people do that. You're buying the diesel because it gives you power, not to save money (and there is nothing wrong with that)
I think breakeven is like 20k+ miles. Agreed though, towing heavy all the time, for sure diesel; everything else, gasser all the way unless you got cash to burn.
@@microbiologycory10 Yeah, the more I run the numbers of different scenarios of fuel prices vs expect mpg, it never seems to make financial sense below ~100k miles unless diesel is below about .50/gallon more
Diesel was cheaper here in Canada in spring and summer. It fluctuates. Now it's 20 cents more per litre than regular gas. Still even if you tow a few days/week at the end the difference in gas money is not much really. DEF is like once a month or more unless you tow heavy daily. Also you're forgetting that the diesel model will hold its value much better than the gas option. Funny how people forget that cause the difference usually is around 10K between used diesel and gas models from what I've seen around me. I own both for my business. One for the heavy/med. towing and gas for maintenance work (barely sees a trailer).
The most underrated part of my dad’s 250 is the amount of cup holders! Even if it’s just two of us on a road trip having 6 cup holders easily accessible from the front seat is huge. Love that feature
TFL always forgets to mention that Ford and GM offer a much safer 3 point seatbelt with their middle bench seat vs Ram which still uses a manual tightened lap belt and non locking seat back. That isn't a safe design considering there is no airbag for that passenger.
How many guys purchasing truck care? I’d argue very few. Even if the purchaser does care, how much do they care? Is it enough to be a deciding factor on which truck they pick? I seriously doubt it.
Well I guess enough people care that Ford and GM took the time and money to upgrade the seat. If no one cares as you say, they would have left it alone.
@@fasttoyo maybe they thought govt regulations were coming and it wasn’t based on demand, or it was parts bin related. What percentage of people even use the middle seat to begin with? I’d argue only a small minority, particularly with most trucks sold today being crew cabs.
Even with the demand being very low, there are still people that use that seat. So even if it saves one life, it's worth the money GM and Ford invested in putting them in. So my point still stands, even if you don't agree with it.
I love both trucks! BUT I would have to go with the XL,no way i could afford the $102,000, plus tax, plus insurance is skyrocketing now. You would have to work 30 years to pay for the truck,unless you worked for Ford.
@@richfarfugnuven6308 Making $200k/yr still doesn’t make it make financial sense…Ford Platinums are the CEO’s truck of The year…that’s about it! (People who really work for a living smirk at you if you drive one of these…the saying in Texas is “All hat and nooo cattle!” Maybe Ford should add that tagline to the commercials?!?)
I would absolutely opt for vinyl floors in every truck; you can always toss a rug on the vinyl, but all weather mats never completely protect carpet floors.
Re: headlights. My truck has halogen headlights. My wife's SUV has LED headlights. I prefer the halogens. The halogen lights give off enough light and they eventually fade out the farther out in front. So there's a more gradual difference between the lighted area and darkness. OTOH, the LEDs have a sharp cutoff between the lighted area and darkness. Not to mention blinding all of the oncoming traffic.
Not sure who the greenhorn is, but a bit more impromptu fact checking from Andre was needed here imo. 1) 3500 lbs isn’t a ton, it’s close to two tons 2) The 700 lbs payload difference isn’t a “couple hundred” 3) Optioning out a 7.3 over a 6.8 doesn’t put you anywhere near diesel territory for cost.
1) Didn't say it was a ton, as in one ton. He said it was a ton, as in a lot. Basic grade school English that's pretty easy to understand. 2) "definitely a couple hundred pounds" - This is called verbal irony, or sarcasm. It can be considered more advanced than basic grade school English, or a child's definition of "a ton", but it's still pretty easy to understand. 3) On the XL, It's a 3k (5%) difference. 24 F250 XL with 7.3 - $60k 24 F250 XL with 6.8 - $63k That puts the 7.3 all up in the 6.8's territory for cost. I know Math is usually considered harder than English, but come on...at least try.
@@jabroni6199 The 6.8 was the "standard" engine on the configurator and I mistyped that instead of 6.7 in my response, that's my bad. But, it's whatever, the prices I showed are still between the 7.3 and the diesel and my point still stands.
It's crazy that Ford is adding the 120v rear seat AC power outlet at a full 20A rating - that basically means you can run 2400watts off it - that's nuts for a vehicle interior power outlet rating!
Yep. There are aftermarket 360 degree cameras out there that you can add to any head unit. That and a set of Morimoto LED headlamp assemblies and you've upgraded that XL to a much nicer truck with enough money left over for a side x side and a toy hauler.
While the platinum super duty is a really nice truck with a lot of features, I would go for the XL with a couple of added options. I would go with a color other than white, add some running boards just because the step up into the cap is so high and probably go with a slightly upgraded interior. And I would pop in a Chrome grill insert. I would like the 7.3 Godzilla motor, but I am not going to pay a bunch more money for it. And I would probably go for a regular cab long box. Because pickup stuff. Too bad you cannot get a regular cab short box in the heavy duty with locking front and rear axles to go with the 4x4. Then you would have an awesome, stout off road pickup with great clearance and maneuverability.
As someone who has never been in a vehicle newer than 2002 and never owned an automatic transmission the XL is a Cadillac and the platinum truck is just insane and has too many electronics. Take me back to the days of the 2 Valve 5.4 Triton and 7.3 Powerstroke
@@damilolaakanni All 5.4’s before 2004 were 2 valve. Some of the most reliable farm trucks we have. One has 260k and the other has 295k. I bought a 2000 7.3 brand new with 4 miles on it and it has 612k. Just bought all the stuff to overhaul it this winter. Routine and thorough maintenance is key.
Big plus is plan old analog tailgate! Just rebuilt & repaired wiring for my 2008 truck tailgate. 😮 Also, rear leather seats were put together poorly. I just replaced my driver side leather & is perfect.
Throw a turbo or supercharger on the gasser, upgrade the wheels and seats and one probably would have fast as hell and really nice rig for another $10k. A lot of your average buyers will likely keep their trucks for 15 plus years. I don’t like knowing all the electronics such as the digital dash will likely go out.
I bought a 22 F350 CCLB 6.7 4x4 STX and paid $56700 after a $2500 rebate. A 2023 identically optioned is $71k!! Ford really screwed up the STX by adding led lights and a bunch of un-needed options and raising the price like crazy
I bought the 2023 high output 6.7L Lariat Tremor for 90k. Love it, giant infotainment screen, 360 degree cameras, 16.5-17mpg, its not a kids truck for sure....
I have the white 2023 F150 version of the base F250 and it's awesome! Keyed ignition, basic electronics, small screen and who cares if my dog sits in the front seat? No one. I did change out the tires to Toyo Open Country ATs. It's my work truck and I bought it to abuse it. Way easier to abuse this than the F350 Lariat I had previously. Considered the F250, but the gas mileage is way better with the 3.5EB that can tow nearly as much. Dog loves it, wife is not a fan.
Avg salary is around $62k year. Paying rent and more than a mortgage payment on truck, with probably >$30k in CC debt. But hey they look cool 😎 living the lifestyle. One day I can only dream.
Great review and very informative, but these two trucks remind me why I dislike modern trucks so much. If it's got heat, 4wd, and a tow hitch, that's all I need. I had a fully loaded out tahoe and after a few years only 2 out of the 5 windows opened (the front passenger door and the sunroof)the auto door locks didn't work. had to have the remote start dissabled cause it would start randomly and it was just cheaper to have it disabled than it was to fix it among other things. My moddo is all this gimmicky tech stuff is great, but when it breaks, it's a living nightmare.
I bought my F250 super duty for 53,000 . Its almost the same truck but with a service bed a lumber rack and running boards and my self along with the guys on my construction crew love it.
I went 2012 F250 gas 150000 miles/ 2016 F250 gas 180000miles Now drive a 2021 F250 gas with around 80000miles all where basic trucks king cab never had an issue with the headlight all used with about 1800 pounds of cargo every day never had a issue with it they are fleet vehicles for construction company the bad thing I can say its they average 15mpg 80% highway 20 Street driving
You talked about putting a beefier tire on that, but I would like to see you test the fuel mileage of the stock tires compared to a larger tire with a more rugged tread to see actual numbers.
Andrey...all the things you want to do to the XL work truck can easily be done aftermarket. Not that you suggested it, but you surely don't need to add factory option packages, or buy a higher trim level to get done what you want with this truck.
I have the 6 7 and drive 30k-40k miles per year. Absolutely love the diesel. Incredible engine. Super efficient Going on the hwy I see the same 18-21mpg. Incredible for the F350 limited When driving pure hwy, almost 600 miles to 1 tank
You don't have to go Platinum to get LED lights. IMO, the XLT with some options is the sweet spot price/capability wise. Balance fuel savings on diesel with the added cost of diesel versus regular gas. In my area, diesel is an extra $1/gallon, which is 33% more.
500HP in a pickup truck is just a fashion accessory. I'll take the work truck with a gas engine, but will wait a couple of years and get a used one. I'm not even sure I would get the 7.3. The 6.8 has plenty of power.
Personally I don't think efficiency for the diesel should be a talking point... when diesel was priced at or lower than gas it made sense in the discussion; and its been a few years since that was the case. Now, it is almost (nationally) somewhere between 20% to 40% more expensive than gas. So, at best, you may break even on fuel cost which means you have to eat the extra cost of the diesel engine option, DEF, and extra maintenance. A case could be made for power, resale value, longevity, transmission, etc. But efficiency only really matters as it applies to cost and its a wash right now if not worse for the diesel option (with exceptions for lots of towing/hauling). The more frustrating thing is watching review after review trying to justify the enormous cost of even a basic work truck... just a few years ago, that same standard work truck was in the high 30s and you could expect to find deals with significant price reductions on nearly everything but things like the Raptor. It's ridiculous that there are now $100K+ options... the Big 3 are either going to have to get used to the new reality of less production for higher cost trucks, or they'll need to start putting some big discounts and pause pumping up MSRPs on these vehicles. Slowing sales and increasing defaults from buyers with even stellar credit is not a good sign for them.
The B&O system was the first thing to get changed out of my explorer. If I had taken more time to listen toe the radio while driving the car instead of letting the sales guy ramble on about the features then I could have saved myself about 5k on a trim level change
Believe it or not some of us like the less is more. I don't want to be working for my truck first of all. And the helper thing on the tailgate is slow I can do it myself better faster easier. I have work Arms and Legs to go with so no problem. The Platinum is luxury hauler not for work so the tailgate thing is ok I guess. Nice ride for hauling an Airstream if you got that kind of cake. Style wise I always prefer plain jane vehicles for some reason. I don't know why that is.
If that were the choice, it would definitely be a step up from the XL. I could live with it for sure. But i shopped for 7 months, looking for a v8, 6.5' bed, heated seating and stering, with adaptive cruise. Everything i found new was over $68k. Even used in an F250, the price was stupid. I'll settle for what i found, a 2020 F150 Lariat 5.0 with under 13k for $44 OTD. As long as it holds up for the next 5 years, im 😊 happy. I just didn't want the $1100 payment.
I'm just glad I got mine before the auto industry lost their minds on price. My 2019 XLT premium 6.7 new was 48 grand. The same truck is around 80 now. I don't know at 47 I'll buy another truck. I've still got less than 50 thousand miles on mine. Before I traded every 3-4 years. I feel they have shot their self in the foot. They are going back to where only rich people can afford vehicles.
As someone who had the black capri leather seats (non-perforated) in a 2022 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited 4x4, I’m not even a sweaty person, but in summer, the pool of sweat and burning the back of my legs was miserable enough where I sat on a towel when temps were above 65 degrees 😅 I’d much rather have cloth seats in the XL. The vinyl looks like cheap seat covers
The lack of cameras isn't anything to worry about..I have a '12 F250 with no cameras and can hook up trailers old school without issue. Just wish we could go back to basics.
Andrea the diesel is more efficient as yourself and Nathan proved, but it really isn't cheaper with the cost difference between gas & diesel, not counting the DEF fluid.
$50k is a lot of scratch for some bling and a diesel. The camera differences are big to me as well. I went from an Escalade with several cameras to a Silverado LTZ 1500 with good cameras but mine does not have the overhead view. I miss that. I don't need an HD or a diesel to tow my 7,000 lb. travel trailer, but they are cool.
Good thing FORD has a option of four engines to choose from since these bodies are aluminum and the vehicle is fuel efficient and can haul/tow excessive amount of weight. GM (big fan of) can learn a learn a thing or "two" maybe more from ford about engine options.
Agreed, and I have the GMC. I bought the Duramax, but would have liked a gas big block with the Allison transmission option. Bring back the 8.1L , and it would sell like hotcakes...
@@richfarfugnuven6308the 6.6 gas seems like a solid engine but it's absolutely in the :"just barely good enough" category, which is not what people find acceptable for these prices.
I looked under several Ford vehicles at the LA auto show, cars and trucks. Every one had at least a couple rusting bolt heads and other surface rust. Even on a Mustang that was displayed almost rolled over to show off the underside there was rust. By contrast, I did not see this on any other make. Like Ford does not care.
The work truck is SOOO much more my speed. I don't need all the electronic junk like remote start, push button, power seats, camera mirror, power tailgate, etc. I like my vehicle to just FUNCTION, and not have a bunch of unnecessary expensive stuff. And it still has those aux switches, which are a nice feature.
@@guyod1 That's the point. You trying to tell me the technology in this truck is worth $50,000? The engines not that much different. The transmission is not that much different.
I got a 2011 f350 xl crew with the 6.7. It came with a warn winch with brush bar light and ARE canopy all for 33k I didn't want any leather or any options. Crank windows exactly what I wanted. Its actually hard to find a truck set up like this. Everything seems to be a platinum or King ranch. Something I knew I didn't want to pay for.
Get the XLT with ordered radio upgrade, 6.7 regular setup, still save 35k and have all the capacity of the 6.7 engine. The reason it's a 10k upgrade is because you need the other transmission to go with it.
I didn't watch the entire video but did they go over the XL can also come with MANAUL locking hubs. Talk about a simple system. You have to get out and turn the rotor on each of the front wheels to put into 4wd. You have to do it to release 4x4 but much less to break with vacuum system of the auto locker systems. The Platinum buyers can have their butler do it for them if they slum down to a low trim. Yes I was looking into one when the XL F250 4x4 is less than even basic F150s on dealer lots.
I'm happy to see you guys talking about the GVWR on these trucks as well. Looks like you have an F250 and an F350 with the wrong badges. The whole point of 250/2500 trucks is the 10,000 pound GVWR for registration purposes. I hope you show more of this because it's very misleading to consumers. They will buy the 250/2500 diesel and register it at 10,000 pounds, and think they still have the full (in this case) 2800 pound payload capacity. That is until the DOT weighs them and slaps them with a fine for being over weight (based on registration) even though they're within the manufacturers ratings
I heard a lot of complaints of the halogen headlights in the vid. I’ve ran multiple generations of ford xl service trucks from 2012 on, you get brightlighted from incoming cars every time you drive at night in them things. They’re really great headlights for halogens.
If we were playing the drinking game with the word diesel we'd all be dead with alcohol poisoning. Probably 95% of people that own a truck and have a diesel don't need a diesel get over it.
It’s also also good at loosing you money from being in the shop for weeks on end because the emissions crap breaks. Give me a 7.3 PowerStroke, 24v 5.9 Cummins (with mechanical fuel pump conversion), LBZ or LML Duramax any day of the week over any new diesel, be it Ford, Gm or Ram.
XL all the way. The $103K looks cool, but cannot justify throwing that $$ into something that depreciates every year.
For those people want to splurge spend some cash avoid paying taxes
If u have profitable business lease and wright off.
The truck looks cool? Have you seen the lame running lights on at night? So ugly ROFL. Giant C-design, double-decker lights. Looks cool? Whatever 😂
Anyone know how well these hold their value? How much depreciation is seen after say 100k miles?
@@colegreene2153 really comes down to reliability. The worse the reliability, the harder the hit. Using the car mileage and value calculator, a loaded 2023 F-350 loses -17k just for mileage at 100k.
That platinum won’t see any work until the 3rd owner.
I see a lot of wealthy middle managers going for luxury spec trucks to tow luxury 5th wheels since the explosion of RV camping popularity during Covid; there is a reason manufactures are charging ridiculous amounts, but still sell better then pre-Covid.
The gap between the “rich” and the “poor” grows every day, and trucks are marketed to the highest bidder.
Lol😂
Haha that’s so true! I have an 07 king ranch that started as a business owner’s personal truck and now hauls hay and moves farm equipment 😂
Its a truck for the big boss of a construction company. Might occasionally pull a trailer or their boat, but mostly just driving site to site.
I might agree. Lots of folks buy trucks that do not "need" a truck. I bought my 2013 F450 Platinum, I used it but took care of it. Great for towing... But I did not "need" a f450! Lol
I prefer the work truck version! The less electronics, the less stress lol, for me that is 😁
Would love to see a towing comparison between the 6.8 and 7.3
I second that. I would like to see a fuel economy run on them as well.
@@brandonstewart7145 I saw a video with someone getting 19mpg with the 6.8.
6.8 max tow 18.9k
7.3 max tow 22.5k
@@chadmiller6487 nice
@@chadmiller6487 dang that's a lot of tow!!
7.3 vs 6.8 Ike and MPG loop!
Im into the XL. Less crap to break as it ages…
whats the difference between XL and XLT?
I think XLT gets more options, like almost like a lariat when loaded@@TheGamingChad.
Or just get a platinum and enjoy your extra features until they do break if ever. Then if they do break just don’t fix them and keep driving the truck without your heated seats and fancy stuff
I would buy 2 of the XL trucks for the price
Let’s be honest. The person buying the Platinum Tremor isn’t actually using it for a work truck. It might tow a camper or a boat now and then. But the guy buying the XL is probably going to have a toolbox or fuel tank in the bed and a plow on the front, or be pulling an equipment trailer. And that guy will still be $35k less into his rig.
Great review. I think the price difference would hit home even more if you show the XL with a trailer and a Quad or other off-roader loaded on it for the equivalent (or lower) price of the Platinum!
Good god, I nearly spit out my soda when they popped that hood on that 7.3 - looks very serviceable!
6.8 but same as the 7.3 😊
Thanks guys for doing a test with the 6.8 liter, been waiting on this
All terrain tires, bed liner, upgraded exhaust, and maybe running boards on the xl and it would be perfect. I look at that diesel engine and there's no way I could work on that.
Working men don’t need 15 cameras to back aTruck up
Yeah I couldn’t actually believe he was “bothered” by the lack of cameras. I’ve seen enough clowns at the boat ramp that can’t back up a trailer to save their life.
True but back up camera is nice especially if you tow boats regularly
Yes we do
@@armytruth6860 bro works at Walmart
HOLY CRAP! I can see the ground through the engine bay of a modern pickup! I see daylight and gravel. Are things getting better?
I can see the ground on my Ram Cummins 3500. One of the many reasons why I bought it. 😊
OHV engine if I'm not mistaken.
I love seeing the ground through the engine reminds me of a classic.
Love the XL 250. So glad you got to review another base model!
I have a 2023 F250 STX with the 6.8 with a payload of 3950. So far I love it. It has great power and really gets up and goes compared to my 2023 Tacoma i had. I am averaging 16mpg driving in PA. The 10r100 tranny is smooth and very responsive.
Any issues with the 6.8? How many miles do you have? I want to buy a f250 and just worried about the new 6.8 vs the 7.3. Any feedback would be appreciated
That's a 4x4? 16 sounds great if so.
@@davidgomez4565 I have 4000 miles so far it has been amazing i was going to get the 7.3 but found this one on the lot and 5k off MSRP so I got it. No regrets so far
@@lordaleksandre Yes 4x4 with front and rear lockers 3:73 rear end.
Is that a crew cab and you have a 10kgvwr?
Curious to see how the 6.8 stacks against the 7.3
Why do you test unaffordable vehicles. They don't exist for your readers.
It is silly to listen to you ramble on about your impossible dream.
@@lawrenceralph7481dang you crawled in you today?
@@lawrenceralph7481 Can't get much cheaper than that f250 XL....
No comparison to a Santa Cruz or some cheap car based FWD truck.
@@lawrenceralph7481see that is where you are wrong. My wife and I have no college education and I am a truck driver and she is a book keeper. She drives an 21 F150 King Ranch and I drive an 20 F350 XLT. Plus we have 5 kids. Average people do watch and buy these
@brentvance3958 Then these liberals get a degree in gender studies and wonder why they can't get a job...
Coming from someone who only drives work trucks… it’s a little pathetic how shocked they are about the lack of features. That work truck would be so much for useful and wouldn’t worry about getting it dirty.
Being $50,000 with zero features at all is the pathetic part
@@mcnuggetappleIf that bothers you, you could try getting a job. It worked wonders for me
@@JollyGiant19 typical Jewish response. Just keep paying this much for cars
@@JollyGiant19 Or just buy a Honda Civic for less than half the price. Worked wonders for me.
If you really need a truck for real work, the XL or STX with gas V8 is the way to go. I agree the money saved would be better used to buy another loaded vehicle that is smaller and more efficient.
XL + 2nd car for family.
Great video! Really interesting that the base truck had more features than the top of the line trucks that were available back in the 1990s. Id go basic truck every day. The costs of top of the line make zero sense and these trucks only exist because of easy credit and people being conditioned to pay $1200/month for 72 months.
Thanks for making this video. I’d love to see something like this for the Toyota Tundra.
I couldn't agree more. I ordered my new 23 Ram 2500 tradesman built to my spec. Crew cab 4x4 very basic
51k That's less than most 1/2 ton trucks anymore.
@ 1200 it would be way longer than 72 months with interest rates tack on another three years.
@@richardrosa4826 yeah i was being generous with the down payment
That’s called American consumerism for dumb people lol. Apparently showing off how big of a loan they can get approved for is what matters to people paying these prices.
More like 1500+ per month for 72 months with 10 k down at 3.99 interest
Andre thanks for showing the xl trim. I know it doesn't get alot of views. But some of us don't need the extra features.
If we're being honest, nobody "needs" most of the features on that Platinum. Anyone that claims to "need" massaging seats and 10 cameras on their vehicle is just lying to themselves.
@kylerasmusson4180 yeah if your the only one driving it once you set the seat and mirrors you never touch them any more.
XL All Day .... Old School 10 wide Chrome 16 inch Wheels wrapped in 35/12.50 with sidewalls for days and dual flowmaster exhaust just screaming 90s monster truck LoL
I got my 2023 xl f350 saw crew cab diesel 4x4 on Black Friday for $59800. It’s step down for me but honestly I love it because it’s literally now only for work where before I was working/daily driving with my prior 2016. It has more features than I ever thought at that trim level.
I think TFL should do a comparison video of the cheapest 6.7 Turbo Diesel and the most expensive. That would be a more apples to apples comparison.
Yes! Also the middle. For instance my 6.7 is a 22 Lariat with plenty of options. Came out to 77k
that was actually what I was expecting this review to be, petrol vs diesel don't make sense... at least in this review.
I love the simplicity of my 2013 Sequoia SR5. I previously had the highest trim INFINITI, and really didn't need or use the comfort features.
50,000 price difference. That is insane. I’d take the 6.8 all day. It will do the job of the 6.7ho all day just slower. Maintenance is cheaper, engine parts are cheaper, all the hard parts other than the engine are the same. Overload springs are cheap and very easy to install if needed. 90% of the folks driving HD trucks don’t need them anyway.
They forgot the reliability option
That's a REALLY good point! And I'm a diesel fan, but, man... it's hard to argue that $50,000 price spread.
Personally, I'd go diesel and run that thing until the wheels fell off. Hopefully it would be good to me for at least 10 years, preferably 15 to 20 years, for that price point.
@@danthompson1467All tyrants think they know what everyone "needs" until someone comes along to tell them what THEY "don't need".
So did Ford. 👍🏻
Reliability option? Uhhh😂
@@danthompson1467Bace?
$10,000-$12000 over the price of a gasser plus def plus higher maintenance costs? $10,000 buys A LOT of gasoline (which is often much cheaper than diesel in my area). I think this notion that going diesel if you tow regularly is going to save you money has been a moot point for a while. I think you'd have to be towing a very heavy load all day, every day for ~100,000 miles before you start to see a benefit. Very few people do that. You're buying the diesel because it gives you power, not to save money (and there is nothing wrong with that)
I think breakeven is like 20k+ miles. Agreed though, towing heavy all the time, for sure diesel; everything else, gasser all the way unless you got cash to burn.
Gas in central Texas is $2.25/gal, diesel is close to $4….oil changes are 2x$ and def is $4/gal. It never breaks even!
@@microbiologycory10 Yeah, the more I run the numbers of different scenarios of fuel prices vs expect mpg, it never seems to make financial sense below ~100k miles unless diesel is below about .50/gallon more
@@microbiologycory10Diesel in Lubbock TX is 3.19. Even less at Costco plus 4% cash back.
Diesel was cheaper here in Canada in spring and summer. It fluctuates. Now it's 20 cents more per litre than regular gas. Still even if you tow a few days/week at the end the difference in gas money is not much really. DEF is like once a month or more unless you tow heavy daily. Also you're forgetting that the diesel model will hold its value much better than the gas option. Funny how people forget that cause the difference usually is around 10K between used diesel and gas models from what I've seen around me. I own both for my business. One for the heavy/med. towing and gas for maintenance work (barely sees a trailer).
The most underrated part of my dad’s 250 is the amount of cup holders! Even if it’s just two of us on a road trip having 6 cup holders easily accessible from the front seat is huge. Love that feature
TFL always forgets to mention that Ford and GM offer a much safer 3 point seatbelt with their middle bench seat vs Ram which still uses a manual tightened lap belt and non locking seat back. That isn't a safe design considering there is no airbag for that passenger.
How many guys purchasing truck care? I’d argue very few.
Even if the purchaser does care, how much do they care? Is it enough to be a deciding factor on which truck they pick? I seriously doubt it.
Well I guess enough people care that Ford and GM took the time and money to upgrade the seat. If no one cares as you say, they would have left it alone.
@@fasttoyo maybe they thought govt regulations were coming and it wasn’t based on demand, or it was parts bin related. What percentage of people even use the middle seat to begin with? I’d argue only a small minority, particularly with most trucks sold today being crew cabs.
Even with the demand being very low, there are still people that use that seat. So even if it saves one life, it's worth the money GM and Ford invested in putting them in. So my point still stands, even if you don't agree with it.
@@Joe-hz1nwgood thing the manufacturer cares more than you do, I guess...
I love both trucks! BUT I would have to go with the XL,no way i could afford the $102,000, plus tax, plus insurance is skyrocketing now. You would have to work 30 years to pay for the truck,unless you worked for Ford.
Or you get a job making 200k a year...
@@richfarfugnuven6308yeah even at 200,000 a year a $100,000 truck isnt very smart
@@richfarfugnuven6308 Making $200k/yr still doesn’t make it make financial sense…Ford Platinums are the CEO’s truck of
The year…that’s about it! (People who really work for a living smirk at you if you drive one of these…the saying in Texas is “All hat and nooo cattle!” Maybe Ford should add that tagline to the commercials?!?)
Yeah good luck finding a job that pays $200k unless you're self employed and you're looking for a tax write off.@@richfarfugnuven6308
I would absolutely opt for vinyl floors in every truck; you can always toss a rug on the vinyl, but all weather mats never completely protect carpet floors.
Re: headlights.
My truck has halogen headlights. My wife's SUV has LED headlights. I prefer the halogens.
The halogen lights give off enough light and they eventually fade out the farther out in front. So there's a more gradual difference between the lighted area and darkness.
OTOH, the LEDs have a sharp cutoff between the lighted area and darkness. Not to mention blinding all of the oncoming traffic.
I bet that def and emission problems come up long before any problems come up on the work truck.
That base engine is new for 2023, reliability hasn't really been proven yet. Otherwise it would have been true.
That might be true but I'm still betting money on that new gasser that it'll last longer than the Diesel.@@damilolaakanni
I would go with a lariat. Platinum is too much for me. The XL feels like a school bus inside.
XLT would suffice for me also.
I remember when XLT was the top trim level, now it's low on the totem pole.
Man that 6.8 sounds SO good!
Not sure who the greenhorn is, but a bit more impromptu fact checking from Andre was needed here imo.
1) 3500 lbs isn’t a ton, it’s close to two tons
2) The 700 lbs payload difference isn’t a “couple hundred”
3) Optioning out a 7.3 over a 6.8 doesn’t put you anywhere near diesel territory for cost.
1) Didn't say it was a ton, as in one ton. He said it was a ton, as in a lot. Basic grade school English that's pretty easy to understand.
2) "definitely a couple hundred pounds" - This is called verbal irony, or sarcasm. It can be considered more advanced than basic grade school English, or a child's definition of "a ton", but it's still pretty easy to understand.
3) On the XL, It's a 3k (5%) difference.
24 F250 XL with 7.3 - $60k
24 F250 XL with 6.8 - $63k
That puts the 7.3 all up in the 6.8's territory for cost. I know Math is usually considered harder than English, but come on...at least try.
@@aaronw8606he compared the 7.3 to the diesel not the 6.8. Learn to read before making an attempt to sound smart. And no. It wasn’t sarcasm.
@@jabroni6199 The 6.8 was the "standard" engine on the configurator and I mistyped that instead of 6.7 in my response, that's my bad. But, it's whatever, the prices I showed are still between the 7.3 and the diesel and my point still stands.
It's crazy that Ford is adding the 120v rear seat AC power outlet at a full 20A rating - that basically means you can run 2400watts off it - that's nuts for a vehicle interior power outlet rating!
Take the microwave out with you for lunches! 😂
Help to charge the
F150 Lightning 🤷🏿♂️🤮🤔
You can easily upgrade stereo and add cameras.
aftermarket is always better also
Yep. There are aftermarket 360 degree cameras out there that you can add to any head unit. That and a set of Morimoto LED headlamp assemblies and you've upgraded that XL to a much nicer truck with enough money left over for a side x side and a toy hauler.
While the platinum super duty is a really nice truck with a lot of features, I would go for the XL with a couple of added options. I would go with a color other than white, add some running boards just because the step up into the cap is so high and probably go with a slightly upgraded interior. And I would pop in a Chrome grill insert. I would like the 7.3 Godzilla motor, but I am not going to pay a bunch more money for it. And I would probably go for a regular cab long box. Because pickup stuff. Too bad you cannot get a regular cab short box in the heavy duty with locking front and rear axles to go with the 4x4. Then you would have an awesome, stout off road pickup with great clearance and maneuverability.
As someone who has never been in a vehicle newer than 2002 and never owned an automatic transmission the XL is a Cadillac and the platinum truck is just insane and has too many electronics. Take me back to the days of the 2 Valve 5.4 Triton and 7.3 Powerstroke
7.3 Powerstroke, okay, 5.4 Triton, I'd avoid. Especially since you can't easily tell the 2 valve from the 3 valve and so on.
@@damilolaakanni All 5.4’s before 2004 were 2 valve. Some of the most reliable farm trucks we have. One has 260k and the other has 295k. I bought a 2000 7.3 brand new with 4 miles on it and it has 612k. Just bought all the stuff to overhaul it this winter. Routine and thorough maintenance is key.
53k for a heavy duty in 2023??
It's a Christmas miracle!
Can always add on as you get extra $$
I bought an xl nicely equipped for the first time, put the money where it counted for me and my needs we will see resale value when the time comes.
I love my 6.8 xl! I’d rather have the vinyl than that junk cloth they come with now a days.
I’d like to know why anybody would pay 2 times the price over a base model and end up with one truck!
Hi Rollin 🤷🏿♂️
Maybe because some people have a lot of money and want luxury features? Do you have a brain?
For 100k I could have the XL a new SXS and a small toy hauler
Facts!
Big plus is plan old analog tailgate! Just rebuilt & repaired wiring for my 2008 truck tailgate. 😮 Also, rear leather seats were put together poorly. I just replaced my driver side leather & is perfect.
XL for me. Change tires, bed mat, lighting and a winch.
What do you get for an extra $50K. You get the chorizo. ❤ TFL.
Throw a turbo or supercharger on the gasser, upgrade the wheels and seats and one probably would have fast as hell and really nice rig for another $10k. A lot of your average buyers will likely keep their trucks for 15 plus years. I don’t like knowing all the electronics such as the digital dash will likely go out.
Excellent video guys, base truck for this guy, i think that 6.8l sounded damn good when Andre put the hammer down😊.
I bought a 22 F350 CCLB 6.7 4x4 STX and paid $56700 after a $2500 rebate. A 2023 identically optioned is $71k!! Ford really screwed up the STX by adding led lights and a bunch of un-needed options and raising the price like crazy
I bought the 2023 high output 6.7L Lariat Tremor for 90k. Love it, giant infotainment screen, 360 degree cameras, 16.5-17mpg, its not a kids truck for sure....
I have the white 2023 F150 version of the base F250 and it's awesome! Keyed ignition, basic electronics, small screen and who cares if my dog sits in the front seat? No one. I did change out the tires to Toyo Open Country ATs. It's my work truck and I bought it to abuse it. Way easier to abuse this than the F350 Lariat I had previously. Considered the F250, but the gas mileage is way better with the 3.5EB that can tow nearly as much. Dog loves it, wife is not a fan.
I’d love to see the average salary of people buying $100k trucks.
Pretty low. Lots of people who float it on paper ..
I make six figures and would never buy a $100k truck lol.
@@westcoastplinkin6559yes sir , I wouldn't pay 100k for a truck if I made 700k a year .lol
20/4/10 rule, 20% down- 4 years finance- 10% of income= needing to earn $278k annually to afford $100k vehicle
Avg salary is around $62k year. Paying rent and more than a mortgage payment on truck, with probably >$30k in CC debt.
But hey they look cool 😎 living the lifestyle. One day I can only dream.
Great review and very informative, but these two trucks remind me why I dislike modern trucks so much. If it's got heat, 4wd, and a tow hitch, that's all I need. I had a fully loaded out tahoe and after a few years only 2 out of the 5 windows opened (the front passenger door and the sunroof)the auto door locks didn't work. had to have the remote start dissabled cause it would start randomly and it was just cheaper to have it disabled than it was to fix it among other things. My moddo is all this gimmicky tech stuff is great, but when it breaks, it's a living nightmare.
Don't buy chevy. Had electrical nightmares on our 2015 ltz suburban. My 2018 f150 xlt with luxury options doesn't have any issues.
I bought my F250 super duty for 53,000 . Its almost the same truck but with a service bed a lumber rack and running boards and my self along with the guys on my construction crew love it.
Recently went from a F-150 lariat to a F-350 XL and the only thing I miss is the push button start.
XL for sure. No one needs all that crap on the fancy model.
I went 2012 F250 gas 150000 miles/
2016 F250 gas 180000miles
Now drive a 2021 F250 gas with around 80000miles all where basic trucks king cab never had an issue with the headlight all used with about 1800 pounds of cargo every day never had a issue with it they are fleet vehicles for construction company the bad thing I can say its they average 15mpg
80% highway 20 Street driving
You can buy 2 XL trucks for less than 1 Platinum. Everyone forgets diesel fuel costs about $1 more per gallon and the engine overhaul.
You talked about putting a beefier tire on that, but I would like to see you test the fuel mileage of the stock tires compared to a larger tire with a more rugged tread to see actual numbers.
I have an o4 dodge 2500 w/5.9 Cummins and that work truck looks like luxury compared to mine!😂
Andrey...all the things you want to do to the XL work truck can easily be done aftermarket. Not that you suggested it, but you surely don't need to add factory option packages, or buy a higher trim level to get done what you want with this truck.
I have the 6 7 and drive 30k-40k miles per year.
Absolutely love the diesel. Incredible engine.
Super efficient
Going on the hwy I see the same 18-21mpg. Incredible for the F350 limited
When driving pure hwy, almost 600 miles to 1 tank
Throw a better Grill and nice wheels on the XL! That's my pick
You don't have to go Platinum to get LED lights. IMO, the XLT with some options is the sweet spot price/capability wise. Balance fuel savings on diesel with the added cost of diesel versus regular gas. In my area, diesel is an extra $1/gallon, which is 33% more.
500HP in a pickup truck is just a fashion accessory. I'll take the work truck with a gas engine, but will wait a couple of years and get a used one. I'm not even sure I would get the 7.3. The 6.8 has plenty of power.
I am happy with the XL. Bring back the manual transmission to lower the price more. People need to learn how to drive, not rely on a computer setting.
Personally I don't think efficiency for the diesel should be a talking point... when diesel was priced at or lower than gas it made sense in the discussion; and its been a few years since that was the case. Now, it is almost (nationally) somewhere between 20% to 40% more expensive than gas. So, at best, you may break even on fuel cost which means you have to eat the extra cost of the diesel engine option, DEF, and extra maintenance. A case could be made for power, resale value, longevity, transmission, etc. But efficiency only really matters as it applies to cost and its a wash right now if not worse for the diesel option (with exceptions for lots of towing/hauling).
The more frustrating thing is watching review after review trying to justify the enormous cost of even a basic work truck... just a few years ago, that same standard work truck was in the high 30s and you could expect to find deals with significant price reductions on nearly everything but things like the Raptor. It's ridiculous that there are now $100K+ options... the Big 3 are either going to have to get used to the new reality of less production for higher cost trucks, or they'll need to start putting some big discounts and pause pumping up MSRPs on these vehicles. Slowing sales and increasing defaults from buyers with even stellar credit is not a good sign for them.
The B&O system was the first thing to get changed out of my explorer. If I had taken more time to listen toe the radio while driving the car instead of letting the sales guy ramble on about the features then I could have saved myself about 5k on a trim level change
Front right tire on the tremor got a nail in it at 3:27.
its a rock
@@timtroia3785 I looked at it on a bigger screen and you are right. looked like a nail at first view.
Believe it or not some of us like the less is more. I don't want to be working for my truck first of all. And the helper thing on the tailgate is slow I can do it myself better faster easier. I have work Arms and Legs to go with so no problem. The Platinum is luxury hauler not for work so the tailgate thing is ok I guess. Nice ride for hauling an Airstream if you got that kind of cake. Style wise I always prefer plain jane vehicles for some reason. I don't know why that is.
If that were the choice, it would definitely be a step up from the XL. I could live with it for sure. But i shopped for 7 months, looking for a v8, 6.5' bed, heated seating and stering, with adaptive cruise. Everything i found new was over $68k. Even used in an F250, the price was stupid. I'll settle for what i found, a 2020 F150 Lariat 5.0 with under 13k for $44 OTD. As long as it holds up for the next 5 years, im 😊 happy. I just didn't want the $1100 payment.
I'm just glad I got mine before the auto industry lost their minds on price. My 2019 XLT premium 6.7 new was 48 grand. The same truck is around 80 now. I don't know at 47 I'll buy another truck. I've still got less than 50 thousand miles on mine. Before I traded every 3-4 years. I feel they have shot their self in the foot. They are going back to where only rich people can afford vehicles.
As someone who had the black capri leather seats (non-perforated) in a 2022 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited 4x4, I’m not even a sweaty person, but in summer, the pool of sweat and burning the back of my legs was miserable enough where I sat on a towel when temps were above 65 degrees 😅 I’d much rather have cloth seats in the XL. The vinyl looks like cheap seat covers
The lack of cameras isn't anything to worry about..I have a '12 F250 with no cameras and can hook up trailers old school without issue. Just wish we could go back to basics.
1:48 to KEEP UP WITH THE JONESES’
Andrea the diesel is more efficient as yourself and Nathan proved, but it really isn't cheaper with the cost difference between gas & diesel, not counting the DEF fluid.
Ya the efficiency doesn't help a diesel case anymore so not really worth mentioning lol
My 2017 Ultimate Lariat came with the hood insulation and a LED light. .Is Ford cutting corners ..even on the Platinums 2:54
$50k is a lot of scratch for some bling and a diesel. The camera differences are big to me as well. I went from an Escalade with several cameras to a Silverado LTZ 1500 with good cameras but mine does not have the overhead view. I miss that. I don't need an HD or a diesel to tow my 7,000 lb. travel trailer, but they are cool.
Platinum is for leisure and the XL is for work.
Get the XL. Add upgrades and accessories at your own pace.
Thanks to the Ford dealer support.
👍👍
Good thing FORD has a option of four engines to choose from since these bodies are aluminum and the vehicle is fuel efficient and can haul/tow excessive amount of weight. GM (big fan of) can learn a learn a thing or "two" maybe more from ford about engine options.
Agreed, and I have the GMC. I bought the Duramax, but would have liked a gas big block with the Allison transmission option. Bring back the 8.1L , and it would sell like hotcakes...
@@richfarfugnuven6308the 6.6 gas seems like a solid engine but it's absolutely in the :"just barely good enough" category, which is not what people find acceptable for these prices.
Also the Ford undercarriage and axle is always rusty even off the dealership lot.
I looked under several Ford vehicles at the LA auto show, cars and trucks. Every one had at least a couple rusting bolt heads and other surface rust. Even on a Mustang that was displayed almost rolled over to show off the underside there was rust. By contrast, I did not see this on any other make. Like Ford does not care.
The work truck is SOOO much more my speed. I don't need all the electronic junk like remote start, push button, power seats, camera mirror, power tailgate, etc. I like my vehicle to just FUNCTION, and not have a bunch of unnecessary expensive stuff. And it still has those aux switches, which are a nice feature.
XL 100%. Wouldn't pay an extra $10K for the other truck let alone $50k
In 2013 I bought a F350 lariat 4 x 4 for under $50,000 brand new. I cannot imagine how 10 years later this truck is worth 53,000 more dollars.
2013 lariat doesn't have the features of a 2023 xlt for under 60k.
@@guyod1 That's the point. You trying to tell me the technology in this truck is worth $50,000? The engines not that much different. The transmission is not that much different.
I got a 2011 f350 xl crew with the 6.7. It came with a warn winch with brush bar light and ARE canopy all for 33k I didn't want any leather or any options. Crank windows exactly what I wanted. Its actually hard to find a truck set up like this. Everything seems to be a platinum or King ranch. Something I knew I didn't want to pay for.
Get the XLT with ordered radio upgrade, 6.7 regular setup, still save 35k and have all the capacity of the 6.7 engine. The reason it's a 10k upgrade is because you need the other transmission to go with it.
Also…the XL can have cloth interior at no additional cost
It's a $100 option for cloth seats
I didn't watch the entire video but did they go over the XL can also come with MANAUL locking hubs. Talk about a simple system. You have to get out and turn the rotor on each of the front wheels to put into 4wd. You have to do it to release 4x4 but much less to break with vacuum system of the auto locker systems. The Platinum buyers can have their butler do it for them if they slum down to a low trim. Yes I was looking into one when the XL F250 4x4 is less than even basic F150s on dealer lots.
No, since like 2005 super dutys have been auto locking with a manual failsafe.
I'm happy to see you guys talking about the GVWR on these trucks as well. Looks like you have an F250 and an F350 with the wrong badges. The whole point of 250/2500 trucks is the 10,000 pound GVWR for registration purposes. I hope you show more of this because it's very misleading to consumers. They will buy the 250/2500 diesel and register it at 10,000 pounds, and think they still have the full (in this case) 2800 pound payload capacity. That is until the DOT weighs them and slaps them with a fine for being over weight (based on registration) even though they're within the manufacturers ratings
I heard a lot of complaints of the halogen headlights in the vid. I’ve ran multiple generations of ford xl service trucks from 2012 on, you get brightlighted from incoming cars every time you drive at night in them things. They’re really great headlights for halogens.
Was that what we call a California stop at 17:00?
If we were playing the drinking game with the word diesel we'd all be dead with alcohol poisoning. Probably 95% of people that own a truck and have a diesel don't need a diesel get over it.
Got to get to the board room somehow…
The XL STX is the best value, you get some really nice features not not much more than an XL
Adaptive cruise control is a must
It’s also also good at loosing you money from being in the shop for weeks on end because the emissions crap breaks.
Give me a 7.3 PowerStroke, 24v 5.9 Cummins (with mechanical fuel pump conversion), LBZ or LML Duramax any day of the week over any new diesel, be it Ford, Gm or Ram.