47s have been through various bits of the tunnel system on engineering trains; though not for many years. A couple of 66s did pass through Liverpool Central and Moorfields a few months ago.
Really? I thought that wasn't allowed because of the fumes, it seems anything goes on merseyrail these days. At least the 73 can work off the third rail.
Why would anyone want to dislike this video, great catch and i haven't seen a 73 since my early teen years at Clapham Junction when slam stock was the norm.
I know that class 73s are not strangers to Merseyside but the ones I have seen were using their diesel standby engines. At last I`ve now seen one using the Merseyside 3rd rail!
@@grahambarr7015 Electrodiesels..Ran on Southern Region for yonks on 3rd rail 750v pick up n originally fitted with a 600hp 4cyl diesel Thumper unit. This one has been re engined n modded.
i can imagine being there, just got down to the station after having me tea, seeing the light in the tunnel, thinking "oh, thats nice the train came early" and all of a sudden this old beast comes out steaming past triumphantly
@@chrispaw1 most people that I met are, maybe where you live other people might like railways too, but most places that I've been too, people have been very condescending towards rail enthusiasts
Class 73 is built to the very narrow Hastings line loading gauge on the south coast network. Which no longer exists as they converted the dual tunnel to single track.
Ironic seeing as Merseyrail had a couple of class 73/0s in their departmental fleet in the 1990s in the original 1990s Merseyrail livery with the big 'M' logos.
I remember those too when I was involved with Engineers trains on the Merseyrail network. They were not much good on Stone trains, they could not handle the weight.
BR(S) electro-diesels: the gift that keeps on giving. Smashing surprise to see ‘Stewarts Lane/Janice/Dick Mabbut’ down a Mancunian tunnel. Wonder what she will be called in her next incarnation?
Wow, that's crazy. I have been out of the loop with developments in the UK for 20+ years, but I don't ever recall seeing a 73 even as far north as the line between Waterloo and Basingstoke. I can't help but wonder how it even came to be there - surely there is a gap of more than 150 miles between the third rail lines in the SE and Merseyside?
Don't they use them on the Caledonian Sleeper in the far north of Scotland? However, it is really bizarre to see a fully grown loco in a situation like this.
Oh yeah? I bet it doesn't work off the third rail like the real thing. It would if it was mine, I'd soon convert it, ever thought of trying that? There's been plenty of models working off live overhead line, but I've not seen any working off a live third rail, only ever seen them with dummy conductor rails.
Good clip - thanks for posting ! great light effect from the tail lights on the roof . Just thinking what else I'd like to see going through a Mersey Rail station, now there's food for thought eh !!!!! I'm already thinking Class 37 and 40 without doubt !! Tornado, Double headed Black 5. Sorry I'm getting carried away here, and should be going off to one of my special therapy sessions now anyway !!!
Was thinking a double deck TGV or Thalys pulling into James Street - would really dumbfound yer average scoucer first thing in the morning. Then realised the tunnel height restriction. "Bonjour Madame et Monsieur Ce train est pour New Brighton"
Was thinking a double deck TGV or Thalys pulling into James Street - would really dumbfound yer average scoucer first thing in the morning. Then realised the tunnel height restriction. "Bonjour Madame et Monsieur Ce train est pour New Brighton"
It was the first time that I can recall this happening with 66s on a ballast working, running outside normal passenger service hours, though one was called in to Liverpool Central in January 2019 to rescue a failed MPV
I've been to every underground station on merseyrail, and to every overground station there too, but I've never seen a class 73 go through, but I have seen them at birkenhead north depot.
I don't know if it still is in service but the SBK South Brooklyn Railway is or was a freight line owned by the TA in New York. It at one time hauled a fair amount of freight from the water front to local business in Brooklyn. It was also how the TA got new rolling stock. This link will take you to the Wikipedia article about it. As a kid I sometimes saw the street running portions. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Brooklyn_Railway
@@MLampner i’ve heard of it, it’s like Boston’s forgotten Union Railroad that linked our North and Southside railroad lines directly…the closest nowadays to freight and public transit together are in Cleveland and New Jersey where trams/trolleys and the Waterfront Line run alongside and with freight lines but never the other way around
These locos were only really used for passenger service. When they were first built they were for use on BR’s southern region which was 3rd Rail 750vDC electrified. BR also specified that it would be a mixed traffic loco to be used for shunting freight as well as hauling freight and passenger trains. For this reason there are driving controls on both sides of the cab. They’re also equipped with a Diesel engine so they can go on non-electrified lines, however they’re not as powerful in diesel mode. And yes they have two power levers in the driving cabs one for electric and one for diesel. Merseyrail which is the operator which runs the station in the video had four of these locos basically for getting the electric trains out of the shed. They could drive in on their own but needed to be hauled out.This was their main duty for this operator as well as departmental duties. In about 2000 (if memory serves) the Sheds at Kirkdale and Birkenhead North were fitted with an overhead ‘trolley’ which was basically an jumper cable which plugged into the train and allowed it to drive out just far enough so the first collector shoe was in contact with the conductor-rail at which point the trolley could be disconnected and the train drive the rest of the way out under it’s own power. I saw this operation done once. As soon as this upgrade was done their main duty was over so they were sold. I read that this was in 2002 but that was after I left the company. The video was uploaded in 2021 was certainly filmed after the station refurbishment in 2012 so I don’t know what this locomotive is doing there. Perhaps its being used for engineering works. Not a lot of freight is hauled on this suburban network! There is some, but not in the underground sections and it’s hauled by diesels.
Class 73 locos have the option to change power supply so they can run off 3rd rail and not diesel. Plus these locos cannot run with the diesel underground because it will rupture the structure of the tunnels and cause it to fall in
well the class 73 have been seen in scotland and they are the uk's first bi mode loco and the uks first hybrid train, that cause take electricity directly from 750v dc third rail and operate with an onboard diesel engine that drives a huge dc alternator set to make dc power for the motors
Have they done away with the ‘Tripcock’ safety system? Nothing was allowed underground without a working Tripcock in days gone by, so would assume the line was closed to all other traffic whilst this took place?
it is unusual, i know the Merseyrail system well as i live there. there are many Docks North and South of the Central Liverpool area and over the other side of the Mersey. so many connecting loops and tunnels maybe this Loco was taking a short cut through the city centre?
If that was the case, it would of been on platform 2 and heading on to the junction to take it up to Liverpool central via the old line. This is going around the loop which means it will reappear in the open on the Wirral side.
It would have to be on electric for tunnel working. Someone will no doubt put me right, but I can't think of any other electro diesel loco with 3rd rail capability as opposed to overhead pickup..
@@johno4521 I did think that 🤔 but lived outside the UK for along time and for some reason I thought the 73's had the third rail capability removed. I'm not an expert as you can clearly tell just taking an interest 😊 thanks
I wonder if a 92 would fit through the tunnels? Would have to be dragged to the third rail network I think as I don't think there is anywhere where 25kv meets the 750dc in Merseyside
its not like the underground, trains here are usual size unlike the underground where they are very low. the majority of the uk's rolling stock could fit through these tunnels
Can we please apperciate that this loco is called Dick Mabbutt
lol
Richard Mabbutt just wouldn't make sense lol
The second most legendary name in British railway history, behind former Kings Cross shed manager Dick Hardy.
No, really.
Well, it certainly did look like a tight squeeze into that tunnel.
...
...I'll get me coat.
@@CountScarlioni at least it’s clean, there’s no crap strewn about as normal
Square peg in a round hole does just fit. Great catch!
Lol
Wow I would love to have seen this as it's probably a one in a lifetime experience!!!
47s have been through various bits of the tunnel system on engineering trains; though not for many years. A couple of 66s did pass through Liverpool Central and Moorfields a few months ago.
Really? I thought that wasn't allowed because of the fumes, it seems anything goes on merseyrail these days. At least the 73 can work off the third rail.
Don't know how rare this is on Merseyrail in particular but to my knowledge to see a freight train underground is damn rare. Well done mate good catch
Great shots of these locos I ain't seen one for many years as last time I seen one they was still in the Gatwick express trains in the 1990s!!!😎
One of the few 73’s left. There were three at Birkenhead North TMD but one was broken up for spares.
Why would anyone want to dislike this video, great catch and i haven't seen a 73 since my early teen years at Clapham Junction when slam stock was the norm.
Must be route learning for network rail trains. it’s the same number class 73 which network rail ran through to Moorgate from Drayton park.
It's amazing seeing Trains this size underground! Brilliant catch 😊😀😀😊😀.
When in BR days I went from Liverpool to Chester to get a connection to Holyhead saw diesels on Mersey rail tunnels
What others locos have been in the tunnel 🤔
how is that even legal?
@@Mgameing123 Different times man
@@JakeyG-eq1un guess they didn't know diesel emissions is the best way to kill people then
@@Mgameing123 lol at this, because the Holyhead line still isn't electrified.
I know that class 73s are not strangers to Merseyside but the ones I have seen were using their diesel standby engines. At last I`ve now seen one using the Merseyside 3rd rail!
I didn’t know 73’s were bi trains
@@grahambarr7015 Electrodiesels..Ran on Southern Region for yonks on 3rd rail 750v pick up n originally fitted with a 600hp 4cyl diesel Thumper unit.
This one has been re engined n modded.
@@4vepvik781also build for the narrow tunnel at Hastings which proven useful here
AFAIK these had 3rd rail equipment removed when they were upgraded to MTU along with a lot of other other equipment upgrades
@@FM60260 Clearly not, as the engine isn't running...
I have headphones on and the sound is just like..... Astonishing.
Trains have souls i believe.
i can imagine being there, just got down to the station after having me tea, seeing the light in the tunnel, thinking "oh, thats nice the train came early" and all of a sudden this old beast comes out steaming past triumphantly
That's a great catch mate, pity the platform wasn't full of normals to get confused by such a sight ;)
Normals? Condescending C###
@@chrispaw1 let him get away with it, the "normals" are usually condescending towards rail enthusiasts anyway
Err guys, you have seen that I'm a crank too right? Heck I've got around 2000 train videos on my own channel, was being a bit sarky about the normals.
@@LHoriginal they're not though.
@@chrispaw1 most people that I met are, maybe where you live other people might like railways too, but most places that I've been too, people have been very condescending towards rail enthusiasts
That’s clearly a tight fit.
Class 73 is built to the very narrow Hastings line loading gauge on the south coast network. Which no longer exists as they converted the dual tunnel to single track.
also it’s only a tight fit after the platform, the tunnels were designed at 2.25 meters to fit these beautiful machines, long live 🇬🇧
Living up to its name
Or maybe a perfect fit?
Could be, just about.
Now there's something that's not seen everyday 😮
Amazing capture
Magnifique. Bravo se sont des scènes rares. Bravo.
Ironic seeing as Merseyrail had a couple of class 73/0s in their departmental fleet in the 1990s in the original 1990s Merseyrail livery with the big 'M' logos.
Yes I remember them very well!
I remember those too when I was involved with Engineers trains on the Merseyrail network. They were not much good on Stone trains, they could not handle the weight.
BR(S) electro-diesels: the gift that keeps on giving. Smashing surprise to see ‘Stewarts Lane/Janice/Dick Mabbut’ down a Mancunian tunnel. Wonder what she will be called in her next incarnation?
That is a rare catch!
Wow, that's crazy. I have been out of the loop with developments in the UK for 20+ years, but I don't ever recall seeing a 73 even as far north as the line between Waterloo and Basingstoke.
I can't help but wonder how it even came to be there - surely there is a gap of more than 150 miles between the third rail lines in the SE and Merseyside?
they have a diesel engine onboard
@@tomlowe2k6 Ah, of course!
@@pulaski1 The 73s, for that reason, are called "Electrodiesels".
@@FlyingScott I remember that now. :)
Don't they use them on the Caledonian Sleeper in the far north of Scotland? However, it is really bizarre to see a fully grown loco in a situation like this.
The driver had his micrometer with him!
I've got the hornby class 73. Cool looking train.
*locomotive lol
Oh yeah? I bet it doesn't work off the third rail like the real thing. It would if it was mine, I'd soon convert it, ever thought of trying that? There's been plenty of models working off live overhead line, but I've not seen any working off a live third rail, only ever seen them with dummy conductor rails.
@@majorpygge-phartt2643 😄 No I haven't actually but Cheers. Great post!.
Good clip - thanks for posting ! great light effect from the tail lights on the roof . Just thinking what else I'd like to see going through a Mersey Rail station, now there's food for thought eh !!!!!
I'm already thinking Class 37 and 40 without doubt !! Tornado, Double headed Black 5. Sorry I'm getting carried away here, and should be going off to one of my special therapy sessions now anyway !!!
Thanks for commenting and great feedback!
I’d love to see a 37 roar up the loop! Just imagine the noise and smell from it.. 😍
How about an Azuma?
Maybe a Class 313 or 717 because they are low enough to fit through the tunnels to Moorgate. A Class 483 too.
Was thinking a double deck TGV or Thalys pulling into James Street - would really dumbfound yer average scoucer first thing in the morning. Then realised the tunnel height restriction.
"Bonjour Madame et Monsieur Ce train est pour New Brighton"
Was thinking a double deck TGV or Thalys pulling into James Street - would really dumbfound yer average scoucer first thing in the morning. Then realised the tunnel height restriction.
"Bonjour Madame et Monsieur Ce train est pour New Brighton"
This is a hilarious juxtaposition. Brilliant capture.
It was the first time that I can recall this happening with 66s on a ballast working, running outside normal passenger service hours, though one was called in to Liverpool Central in January 2019 to rescue a failed MPV
I've been to every underground station on merseyrail, and to every overground station there too, but I've never seen a class 73 go through, but I have seen them at birkenhead north depot.
Needed a blast on the horn as it entered tunnel...
*_noisy_*
awesome find, as a Yank it’s mind boggling to see a freight train in a public transit tunnel but there it is!
I don't know if it still is in service but the SBK South Brooklyn Railway is or was a freight line owned by the TA in New York. It at one time hauled a fair amount of freight from the water front to local business in Brooklyn. It was also how the TA got new rolling stock. This link will take you to the Wikipedia article about it. As a kid I sometimes saw the street running portions. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Brooklyn_Railway
@@MLampner i’ve heard of it, it’s like Boston’s forgotten Union Railroad that linked our North and Southside railroad lines directly…the closest nowadays to freight and public transit together are in Cleveland and New Jersey where trams/trolleys and the Waterfront Line run alongside and with freight lines but never the other way around
These locos were only really used for passenger service. When they were first built they were for use on BR’s southern region which was 3rd Rail 750vDC electrified. BR also specified that it would be a mixed traffic loco to be used for shunting freight as well as hauling freight and passenger trains. For this reason there are driving controls on both sides of the cab. They’re also equipped with a Diesel engine so they can go on non-electrified lines, however they’re not as powerful in diesel mode. And yes they have two power levers in the driving cabs one for electric and one for diesel.
Merseyrail which is the operator which runs the station in the video had four of these locos basically for getting the electric trains out of the shed. They could drive in on their own but needed to be hauled out.This was their main duty for this operator as well as departmental duties. In about 2000 (if memory serves) the Sheds at Kirkdale and Birkenhead North were fitted with an overhead ‘trolley’ which was basically an jumper cable which plugged into the train and allowed it to drive out just far enough so the first collector shoe was in contact with the conductor-rail at which point the trolley could be disconnected and the train drive the rest of the way out under it’s own power. I saw this operation done once.
As soon as this upgrade was done their main duty was over so they were sold. I read that this was in 2002 but that was after I left the company.
The video was uploaded in 2021 was certainly filmed after the station refurbishment in 2012 so I don’t know what this locomotive is doing there. Perhaps its being used for engineering works. Not a lot of freight is hauled on this suburban network! There is some, but not in the underground sections and it’s hauled by diesels.
A bit of a tight squeeze of the 73
Those tunnels see standard gauge e.m.u.s all day so a Class '73' loco should get through.
Superb footage ! Thank you
Fantastic loco I've driven them many times on the mainline
pretty sure this is the reason why Merseyrail is electric
This line was the first railway line to convert from steam to electrification
Amazing catch!
Thats so cool. It could almost be a 73 on the London Underground if we didn't know better.
Brilliant video, I thought the 73 was gonna take the roof off
With all the ambient noise in the tunnel I'm not sure if it was on diesel or 3rd rail. Its 750v there isn't it?
It was definitely running on 750v DC 3rd rail!
A rarity in that it operates on the third rail but also has a diesel engine that powers the electric traction.
It is funny to think a niche design like the 73 is seen everywhere now.
Great video. ☺️
Amazing footage! Definitely subscribing!
Commuters on platform stare in horror as very grimy 73 passes : all of them think "I knew the trains were bad quality but this is just madness"
Now that's something that you don't see everyday on the underground
Excellent exclusive capture. 👌
I thought when it accelerates the fumes would appear and the fire alarm would go off, I was expecting that
Class 73 locos have the option to change power supply so they can run off 3rd rail and not diesel. Plus these locos cannot run with the diesel underground because it will rupture the structure of the tunnels and cause it to fall in
They are bi mode they can run on third rail
Funnily enough, The MPV units are Diesel and they do not affect the Alarm system either. I was an operator on them for Five years.
@@stephensmith4480 do you blow the horn on trainspotters?
@@SouthEastTrainspotter Sometimes 👍😊.
Why is tube station empty?
Was this a known drive through for filmer?
Super video capture.
Wow!
Nice catch.
Nice capture,very rare i guess..🤙
Excellent catch, that is where that terrible passenger accident happened??
Fantastic catch, been there many times but never saw any locos . I wonder if it’s just driver training.
well the class 73 have been seen in scotland and they are the uk's first bi mode loco and the uks first hybrid train, that cause take electricity directly from 750v dc third rail and operate with an onboard diesel engine that drives a huge dc alternator set to make dc power for the motors
Great video
Holy drainpipes Batman, there's an engine in the tunnel...!!!!!
Excellent 👌 Greetings ☺️
Have they done away with the ‘Tripcock’ safety system? Nothing was allowed underground without a working Tripcock in days gone by, so would assume the line was closed to all other traffic whilst this took place?
Nice catch. So cool to see a diesel loco
Wow good catch
What time of day was this? I was on the underground
It was around midnight if I remember rightly.
Oh
Or 4 pm my time.
@@memespotter9246 did anyone ask
ur mom did
I'm from Finland and this was randomly recommended for me. Why is it there?
"oops sorry, I think I took a wrong turn"
ᏞϴᏞ
Just awesome.
Why is there a freight locomotive in the subway?
it is unusual, i know the Merseyrail system well as i live there. there are many Docks North and South of the Central Liverpool area and over the other side of the Mersey. so many connecting loops and tunnels maybe this Loco was taking a short cut through the city centre?
If that was the case, it would of been on platform 2 and heading on to the junction to take it up to Liverpool central via the old line. This is going around the loop which means it will reappear in the open on the Wirral side.
What is Scottsman came through tho 🤔
Worked these trains on merseyrail as a hybrid with class 501 sandite units
What other locos have been in there or is it only 73s that can ???
It would have to be on electric for tunnel working. Someone will no doubt put me right, but I can't think of any other electro diesel loco with 3rd rail capability as opposed to overhead pickup..
@@johno4521 I did think that 🤔 but lived outside the UK for along time and for some reason I thought the 73's had the third rail capability removed. I'm not an expert as you can clearly tell just taking an interest 😊 thanks
I wonder if a 92 would fit through the tunnels? Would have to be dragged to the third rail network I think as I don't think there is anywhere where 25kv meets the 750dc in Merseyside
@@dasy2k1 Hunts Cross area has both 25kv and 750v 3rd rail
Brilliant.
Brilliant. It looks too big to be in there.
Anyone noticed that 73962 is seen by Francis bourgeois
Well, you don't see that every day!
My guess is route learning
A brilliant capture - interesting to see a 73 in such a place. What camera do you uss if you don't mind me asking please?
Were you expecting to see this?
Bella ripresa! Grazie
Thunderbird is go!
Stunning video quality! What camera did you use?
It was only taken on my phone, IPhone 12 Pro
@@andym1466 woah! Phones are getting better and better!
That is a sexy sound bite. The engine noise is fantastic. Did you get a picture of it when it was standing at the end of the platform?
Locomotive going into the Subway station 😂
its not like the underground, trains here are usual size unlike the underground where they are very low. the majority of the uk's rolling stock could fit through these tunnels
Ey up Wack, I think we took a wrong turn somewhere!
What’s the crack then? Just this route was the only one available on the rail network?
So rare!
wonder what's it going to do
Is that italy metro I live in itsly
I thought that was tge underground for a second
And in HDR. 👍
I've seen one of these at Fort William a few times for use on the Caley Kipper.
very cool
How is that possible
when you take the wrong turning :D
How can that fit
Was that a loco shortcut through a public transit system?
How do you think it got in there?
Through Merseyrail's numerous connections to the mainline 🤦
Thanks
I SAW THIS TRAIN AT EDGE HILL TRAIN STATION!!!!!!!
That is rare!
That is interesting! Is it running off the third rail or diesel? 😯
Third rail.