Interesting comments. Personally, I don’t think they’re ugly and, being manufactured by Stadler, they’re likely to be more reliable than other manufacturers (CAF, Bombardier etc.). Stadler has a good reputation for quality. I like older locos too, especially the Classic 37s and 47s, and its good to see the Class 69s. But time and technology marches onward. Fortunately there are still plenty of opportunities to see classic British built diesels on heritage lines.
Magnificent catches of the trains coming by and pass, I like it 5 stars. Thumbs up. Keep up the perfect work, my friend, just liked and subscribed, Greetings from Portugal to the UK.
Lovely loco, I like variety, Can't wait to see this in action myself. I hear their reliability is right up there. Does sound like Dyson had a love child with a diesel though, and while they were at it, they was also aided by a battery powered gadget they bought off of Ann Summers.
Stadler makes really good quality stock for many European railway operators and even some north american ones. Knowing that, the class 93 fleet might be one of the more efficient trains in the UK.
I didn't know that Class 93 are to be operating passenger services. I thought they were just for freight services! When can we expect to see these start passenger service operations? And with which TOC's and services?
Smart looking? I'd say it's the ugliest thing on the network! You're right about it sounding like a dryer though I'd say "hairdryer", which might make a fitting nickname for them 😂
Thank you so much I really appreciate it , Yes they are and it will be interesting to see what the future hold for them , Thank you commenting take care! Adam
out of curiosity, why do the 93s hav3 delner couplings? and do thry go dowm so that a screw coupling csn be used if needs be like thr drophead buckeye couplings?
it's an unintended consequence of BR's locomotive policy. However well intentioned to boost local industry BR's policy of "Buy British" meant that there was little foreign competition, especially from American builders which were about 30 years ahead in their development by the mid 1950s, to force the domestic builders to up their standards. That coupled with the infrequent need for new units by BR over the years meant that by the 90s the domestic locomotive market had stagnated to the point where EMD was able to easily trounce our best designs.
@@marksmatchboxmemories-xd6qp this is untrue! British Steel Scunthorpe has a rail mill that's producing rail for both here and abroad, including most recently a contract to supply rail to Egypt.
Hi sorry for the really late reply I use , Traksy for following the trains in real time And I I use real time trains to find the schedule and allocations off the trains running time etc
hi, sounds like a hand dryer not a diesel loco. anyway why do we need them when there are loads of redundant locos about, ? we think they look like the back of a bus,
I think they’re OK looking. As far as the older redundant locos are concerned, their technology is outdated, they pollute more than the current generation of locos and they’re rusting away.
Very quiet but better than a class 66 because it isn’t constantly yinging but sounds nowhere near as good as a 68. The 68s are leading the way when it comes to modern traction noise. I think the 68 may sound even better than the class 60 that was built many years earlier!
Cat C32 engine actually a small engine for such a locomotive buuut due to the hybrid tech it might deal with that juust fine untill the batteries get worn out (we all know what happens with our phone batteries) luckily it's a Stadler product and those are known to be reliable with excellent partsavalibity. Great video!
The diesel engine has enough power to run on unelectrified lines, it can do just under 1,750HP combined with the battery power. It'll mainly work passenger services, covering for shortage of Class 91's until the IC225's are withdrawn from LNER and sent off for either scrap or to either TFW or Grand Union, or maybe even Chiltern.
The ruling changed in 2016 so that if the headlights are at a certain level of brightness they dont need a yellow warningfront , wich the 345 are basicly the only fleet of trains to have sufficient lighting for it
The diesel engine is 1200hp and the battery can add another 500hp short term (plus being able to be recharged from either the diesel or regenerative braking) so they're more or less equivalent to a 37 away from the wires. I think the intention is to use them mostly for intermodal traffic on electrified routes, but this makes them much more flexible - not just a last mile diesel, but last fifty if needs be.
@thatlonewolfguy2878 I think the intention is to run 100mph intermodals with the diesel/batteries giving some diversion/last/shunting mile capability. Obviously that means new wagons as well, but that way they'll slot in better between passenger workkngs where there are capacity limits. So not exactly a 37 replacement, more an upgrade on 86 or 66 powered liner trains. I doubt there's much point in swapping them onto TPE's 68 sets.
True the engines are under powered compared to other diesel locos. However air resistance drag is equal to the square of speed. 50mph^2 and 100mph^2 means 4 times more air resistance for the latter.. Faster you go the more the locos traction motors are spending more of their total energy in... fighting the wind! I'm not sure what the true haulage speeds for a rake of containers with these new bi modes off the wires might actually be. I'm just trying to say that a loco say half the power of another older style diesel or electric defo isn't half the speed. Unless the old locos did 2mph top speed and the new ones do 1mph 🤣
All I see 37s on these days are test trains and engineering trains, assume its just because of their medium weight they can go where heavy traction is not allowed. The class 93 I think is lighter than a 37 if I remember right so it could replace them
the 37s and 47s are still used because theyre simple, not specialist and cheap to keep going, things that these class 93s arent. if the 37s and 47s were gonna be seen off by a modern loco it would have been the 68, and alas no such thing occured
@@roaming.spectre. if they werent cheap to fix they wouldnt still be in service, freight operating companies want cheap and reliable locos above all, hence why the 70 failed to displace the 66, the 68 failed to catch on with any operator other than DRS, the 88 failed totally, and these will suffer the same fate as the 70
Unfortunately it will be very rare to hear these in diesel mode and it will be in electric mode most of the time we see them and they sound very boring in electric mode
Mmm...divisive, I think this one. Whilst I do appreciate that tec evolves and we move on, I just can't like it. It is without doubt a very capable and fantastic piece of engineering. Much better than older diesel locos in terms of quality, emissions and performance. However, I will stick with the growling unsettled idle of the 37 with plumes of black smoke. The deep thrum of the 60 and the distinctive industial sound of the 59, 66 & 67. Old fashioned mechanical engineering without apologies. The 70 is one of the ugliest things to ever be built by mankind so I will leave that alone.
I think the Class 93 looks very smart and I like that shade of green. It sounds quite mighty as well! A nice addition to the UK main line.
Interesting comments. Personally, I don’t think they’re ugly and, being manufactured by Stadler, they’re likely to be more reliable than other manufacturers (CAF, Bombardier etc.). Stadler has a good reputation for quality. I like older locos too, especially the Classic 37s and 47s, and its good to see the Class 69s. But time and technology marches onward. Fortunately there are still plenty of opportunities to see classic British built diesels on heritage lines.
Amazing video, these locos actually look really good, looking forward to them being used more frequently
Thank you I really appreciate it and me too !
I think the locomotive looks very nice. Can't wait to see more of these types entering service. 👍👍👍
@@Martin_Trainspotter me too bud really interesting piece of kit.
Magnificent catches of the trains coming by and pass, I like it 5 stars.
Thumbs up.
Keep up the perfect work, my friend, just liked and subscribed, Greetings from Portugal to the UK.
Thank youuu!!! Greeting back from the uk to you in Portugal 🇵🇹
@@PenyghentProductions no problem.
@@PenyghentProductions the trains in your country are amazing.
Lovely loco, I like variety, Can't wait to see this in action myself. I hear their reliability is right up there.
Does sound like Dyson had a love child with a diesel though, and while they were at it, they was also aided by a battery powered gadget they bought off of Ann Summers.
Stadler makes really good quality stock for many European railway operators and even some north american ones. Knowing that, the class 93 fleet might be one of the more efficient trains in the UK.
I didn't know that Class 93 are to be operating passenger services. I thought they were just for freight services! When can we expect to see these start passenger service operations? And with which TOC's and services?
Great video. It’s a Smart looking loco, but I can’t help thinking it sounds a bit like a hand-dryer!
Smart looking? I'd say it's the ugliest thing on the network! You're right about it sounding like a dryer though I'd say "hairdryer", which might make a fitting nickname for them 😂
@@richiem86 thank you mate , yeah it is I must say
petition for spotters to call them airblades
Fantastic footage! Such an interesting loco - will be fascinating to see what it ends up working.
Thank you so much I really appreciate it ,
Yes they are and it will be interesting to see what the future hold for them ,
Thank you commenting take care!
Adam
She's a beaut, ain't she? Can't wait to see these new locos working passenger services in future...
out of curiosity, why do the 93s hav3 delner couplings? and do thry go dowm so that a screw coupling csn be used if needs be like thr drophead buckeye couplings?
yup, the days of british trains, by the people who invented them, is long gone. thanks uk gov!
at least we still have trains
@@ThatVoxelBlock we invented trains and now we cant even make our own rails!
it's an unintended consequence of BR's locomotive policy. However well intentioned to boost local industry BR's policy of "Buy British" meant that there was little foreign competition, especially from American builders which were about 30 years ahead in their development by the mid 1950s, to force the domestic builders to up their standards. That coupled with the infrequent need for new units by BR over the years meant that by the 90s the domestic locomotive market had stagnated to the point where EMD was able to easily trounce our best designs.
@@marksmatchboxmemories-xd6qp this is untrue! British Steel Scunthorpe has a rail mill that's producing rail for both here and abroad, including most recently a contract to supply rail to Egypt.
You shouldn't have voted Tory then, should you?
Thumbs Up! Super good Video! I like it!
Thank you so much!!!
Hi, love the video! How were you able to find where the 93001 was passing through and also get to all these different places in time to see it?
Hi sorry for the really late reply
I use , Traksy for following the trains in real time
And I I use real time trains to find the schedule and allocations off the trains running time etc
Wow lovely to see Worksop station good videoing
The new class 93 is a new version of class 88....Well done video ,Greetings from Germany ! Well, we have the classes 248 and 249(heavy shunter) !!
Nothing beats a Siemens Taurus, though. That thing would top this, no question. Stick a TB11 engine in one, and it'll sound like a MONSTER.
Wonderful locomotive.
Indeed!
Super sequence! Where were the various locations in the video?
Worksop
Shireoaks Foot crossing
Kiveton park
Kiveton Bridge
Woodhouse
hi, sounds like a hand dryer not a diesel loco. anyway why do we need them when there are loads of redundant locos about, ? we think they look like the back of a bus,
Because those redundant locos are rotting away, no use for them now which is why most abandoned class 90s are being scrapped
I think they’re OK looking. As far as the older redundant locos are concerned, their technology is outdated, they pollute more than the current generation of locos and they’re rusting away.
If you think they sound bad in diesel mode they sound a lot worse in electric mode
Can't wait to see the new class 99's coming to the UK in the near future, are expected 2025
Where? What's that station at the beginning ?
It sounds better than most modern freight locos
@@MancTrainGuy agreed.
Yep its only really the 57s and 68s that sound better when it comes to any locos built after 1997. Everything else worse.
@@MancTrainGuy especially them yinging 66’s
@grannyjone sounds like it's slowly dieing
@@Fran-ho7qu Some believe the class 99 will be the final thing that finishes the remaining 37’s off, I hope not
Sounds more powerful than 1200 horsepower. Wonder if they will replace 66s ? Any diesel engine sounds better than them yinging 66s
Sounds like my dyson
However, that nickname was given to the 92's. I think "Hand dryer".
Very quiet but better than a class 66 because it isn’t constantly yinging but sounds nowhere near as good as a 68. The 68s are leading the way when it comes to modern traction noise. I think the 68 may sound even better than the class 60 that was built many years earlier!
Cat C32 engine actually a small engine for such a locomotive buuut due to the hybrid tech it might deal with that juust fine untill the batteries get worn out (we all know what happens with our phone batteries) luckily it's a Stadler product and those are known to be reliable with excellent partsavalibity.
Great video!
Its meant to be running under the wires most of the time with the diesel for last mile stuff.
The diesel engine has enough power to run on unelectrified lines, it can do just under 1,750HP combined with the battery power. It'll mainly work passenger services, covering for shortage of Class 91's until the IC225's are withdrawn from LNER and sent off for either scrap or to either TFW or Grand Union, or maybe even Chiltern.
when it moves i had to look out the window as it sounds like the rubbish truck that comes once a week XD
sounds like a huge road tunnel fan
Better than a yingying but not as good as a 68 or a heritage locomotive
why has it got a yellow front ?? we don't need that anymore
The ruling changed in 2016 so that if the headlights are at a certain level of brightness they dont need a yellow warningfront , wich the 345 are basicly the only fleet of trains to have sufficient lighting for it
Is that on battery or diesel power?
@@derekporter7658 diesel power mate.
On battery power they sound like an even quieter class 88
Give me a 37/47 anyday !!
Give me a 90,86,93 over a 37!!
Gimme a 90/91/92 over a 47 anyday !!
Yep not as good as a 37/47 but compared to a lot of modern traction, particularly units, which are crap, the 93 is not bad
@@grannyjone I prefer them over 37s and 47s they are heavily overrated
looks sick
Excellent video my friends
Thank you!!!
I thought the idea of the class 93 was to be primarily used under the wires, as I didn’t think the Diesel engine was that powerful
The diesel engine is 1200hp and the battery can add another 500hp short term (plus being able to be recharged from either the diesel or regenerative braking) so they're more or less equivalent to a 37 away from the wires.
I think the intention is to use them mostly for intermodal traffic on electrified routes, but this makes them much more flexible - not just a last mile diesel, but last fifty if needs be.
@@jonathanj8303 Coulld they be the replacement for Transpennine's 68s or are they just replacing old freight locos like the 37s etc?
@thatlonewolfguy2878 I think the intention is to run 100mph intermodals with the diesel/batteries giving some diversion/last/shunting mile capability. Obviously that means new wagons as well, but that way they'll slot in better between passenger workkngs where there are capacity limits.
So not exactly a 37 replacement, more an upgrade on 86 or 66 powered liner trains.
I doubt there's much point in swapping them onto TPE's 68 sets.
@@jonathanj8303 well it would be especially pointless putting them onto push pull sets which are currently sat in storage with no certain future
True the engines are under powered compared to other diesel locos. However air resistance drag is equal to the square of speed. 50mph^2 and 100mph^2 means 4 times more air resistance for the latter.. Faster you go the more the locos traction motors are spending more of their total energy in... fighting the wind!
I'm not sure what the true haulage speeds for a rake of containers with these new bi modes off the wires might actually be. I'm just trying to say that a loco say half the power of another older style diesel or electric defo isn't half the speed. Unless the old locos did 2mph top speed and the new ones do 1mph 🤣
Very quiet loco and very little emissions !! I suppose that'll change with a heavy load and as the Loco gets older and older !
I don’t know, the 66’s are still very quiet for a diesel locomotive
The 93s will be very very quiet in electric mode and that unfortunately is what they will be in most of the time
Nice video!
@@ЛЬВИНИ Thank you !:)
I think this and the upcoming class 99 will see off the aging 37s and 47s… shame but all good things come to an end
All I see 37s on these days are test trains and engineering trains, assume its just because of their medium weight they can go where heavy traction is not allowed. The class 93 I think is lighter than a 37 if I remember right so it could replace them
@@grannyjone tbf it’s about time the 37s were retired, I can’t imagine they are cheap to fix, or maybe re work them like the 57s to class 69…
the 37s and 47s are still used because theyre simple, not specialist and cheap to keep going, things that these class 93s arent. if the 37s and 47s were gonna be seen off by a modern loco it would have been the 68, and alas no such thing occured
@@grannyjone the class 93 has a considerably higher axle load than a 37 so it will not replace it on duties where a low RA is required
@@roaming.spectre. if they werent cheap to fix they wouldnt still be in service, freight operating companies want cheap and reliable locos above all, hence why the 70 failed to displace the 66, the 68 failed to catch on with any operator other than DRS, the 88 failed totally, and these will suffer the same fate as the 70
Unfortunately it will be very rare to hear these in diesel mode and it will be in electric mode most of the time we see them and they sound very boring in electric mode
it sounds like a whining axle and engine on a 1960s leyland atlantean bus 🚌 lol 😅
I think they deserve a new nickname, "Growlers" as their engines grows quite hard for a new diesel
Awesome
could you label the locations
Worksop
shireoaks foot crossing
Kiveton park
Kiveton Bridge
Woodhouse
06.26 37601 Sounds much better than the Class 93.
Agree, but Class 37s are old technology now and, while it’s really great to see them still being used, we need locos that pollute less.
@@buzzukfiftythree we dont, reliabilty and maintainability are most important
Mmm...divisive, I think this one. Whilst I do appreciate that tec evolves and we move on, I just can't like it. It is without doubt a very capable and fantastic piece of engineering. Much better than older diesel locos in terms of quality, emissions and performance. However, I will stick with the growling unsettled idle of the 37 with plumes of black smoke. The deep thrum of the 60 and the distinctive industial sound of the 59, 66 & 67. Old fashioned mechanical engineering without apologies. The 70 is one of the ugliest things to ever be built by mankind so I will leave that alone.
I get excited with a 25, 31, 33, 37, 40, 45, 47, 50. Never a 93. Doesn't even sound like an authentic locomotive 😢
Do you live next to a line? Do you experiemce it daily , or is it just videos wich might aswell be filmings of a model railway?
Better than a 66 or a unit though
Wait until you hear it in electric mode, very very quiet and boring
Awsome😊
@@train4905 thank you
The locomotive has only limited diesel power at 1200bhp, so it's not going to move a mountain! The electric power is what it's all about nowadays?
Nicely captured but ruined by that repetitive camera clicking in the background, you focus on that instead of what's going on.
They shouldn't replace the 91s with this monstrosity
@@darealclass314 time has to move on I’m afraid.
Do you mean the Class 90s?
@@PenyghentProductions yeah it's sad to see the end of the dvts
Viele wackelige Bilder und das Geklicke der Fotokameras ist wirklich sehr störend.
Wow that seems loud. Clearly havent learned anything from the class 68
Wait until it is in electric mode, very quiet, and that is unfortunately what it will be in most of the time
Looks German
Isn’t Stadler Swiss
Starting to prove its. Self 👌🦺⭐️