Jaynalysis: Sam & Freddie's Complex Relationship
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To the people wondering if I prefer Creddie, the answer is...no. I don't think Freddie should have dated either Sam or Carly. But that's just my opinion.
Agreed, but of course if there’s a boy in the show he has to date one of the main characters
I mean both of them don’t work the best.But I prefer Seddie
In my opinion carly and freddy could have worked but they messed that up instantly
But now we said it! Carly and Freddie was Okay but they work way better as a group of best friends and relationship drama should have never gotten between them (yeah its realistic because they're teens and teens just fall in and out of love all the time lol but like as a viewer I found the show at its best when they weren't worried about hooking up the main characters with eachother)
We are all missing the true ship that should've sailed: Greddie (GibbyxFreddie)
(this is mainly a joke fyi mainly because I don't remember Gibby having much of a character other than being the butt of a joke)
They both had abusive mothers but opposite extremes.
One neglects, one "protects"
sometimes a guy looks for traits his own mother had. Sam also was probably attracted to Freddy cause her mother kept bringing home the type of guy that Freddy exemplifies. The clean cut timid worker. Partly because they both like pushing their power over them. So Sam and her Mom seem to be attracted to the type of guy that freddy is but have a hard time showing affection
@@redshepherd32
Wait what traits that Freddy's mom have that Sam has, being controlling?
Yea one neglects the other one is a huge helicopter parent it's a problem
Exactly! I hate it when people say, "Freddie's mom was actually a good mom because she always protected and cared about him." But I know those same people who would hate to have a mom like Freddie's. Plus, in real life, those same people would most likely will make fun of kids like Freddie for having this sort of mom.
A lot helicopter parents act the way they do because they want to feel in power and in complete control over their children, due to certain psychological issues. It's so much deeper than just, "Oh they just care a lot." As if parents who aren't helicopter parents don't also care for their children. 🙄
His mom was funny to watch on TV, but she is abusive. Having a mom like her in real life would be torture. There's some so creepy about possessive parents like her.
In my opinion, Carly, Freddie, and Sam are all better as friends.
Agreed
Agreed
Yes! Their platonic love for each other was so much more interesting than when they tried to make them date🤮
Or here me out jus here me out.... Carly n Sam?
@@blackican1mp958 if ICarly came out in 2020 I could see them trying that and could have worked but not long term
Seddie reminds me a lot when in school there was a boy or girl that bullied someone and the teachers and parents only said "if he/she is bullying you is because she/he is in love with you", but instead of being "cute" it's just had a bad ending.
Kinda reminds me of that one episode in the loud house. Yeah that didn't age so welll sorry to hear that happened to you tho
@@chloenieuwsma4846 Don't worry, that was other time when bullying didn't take that serious, i'm glad nowaday childrens learn more about bullying and how identified violence, no matter if your bully is in love of you, that's not right.
@@chloenieuwsma4846 yeah that episode of the loud house was such garbage I’m so glad Ronnie Ann got better as a character
@@chloenieuwsma4846 I mean it happens though. Some times people can become friends like that.
@@carlacarrero4975 That episode was fun IMO. Maybe it’s because I grew up in a different neighborhood and was actually bullied.
Yeah they're better off as friends. Their relationship was toxic, there is a thing as being TOO different from eachother. And if it weren't for carly they would've broken up on day 1.
My thoughts exactly.
@@JayniacJr they probably wouldn't because they've gotten into worse disagreements before as friends, so they can most definitely handle themselves. There are only few times Carly did the right thing but she messed up their relationship. I agree with you that Freddie doesn't deserve neither Carly nor Sam, but if he really had to choose between them, which is how the story in the show would see it and not with any random girl he meets, it probably would be Sam I understand that she was abusive but Freddie didn't really dislike in terms of her character. He doesn't want her to change to fit what he would like, and they most definitely could work things out and we've seen them workout their arguments and reduce the frequency. It's just my opinion, but I understand where you are coming from.
@@thephoenix7090 hello
Hello
I agree, they’re better off as friends than being a couple. Sam and Freddy don’t make a good couple. I’m glad they broke up in the show. I don’t ship Sam and Freddy.
I personally would like to see Cat and Robbie's relationship get analyzed.
Agreed
Yes
Same
Robbie is kind of a stalker
@@darigamedelkanova3712 Kind of. I'm just talking about the OVERALL relationship.
I agree this is a terrible ship. They tried to pull a tsundere and it didn't work. The idea is once they fall in love they soften up.
I think Freddie and Sam's dynamic is very similar to Arnold and Helga. Where Arnold has the most amount of empathy and patience for other people by far in the series, even if he doesn't necessarily like his classmates and the adults that he's around. While Helga is a hot-headed bully towards most of the kids in the school, because she doesn't know how to express her emotions properly. Like Sam, she was raised in an abusive household with parental neglect, and substance abuse. However, Helga is more of a typical tsundere character.
She was obsessively stalking Arnold and out to make his life a living hell for him, but does everything she can for him indirectly, because he was the only person who treated Helga with kindness and respect. When Helga finally confessed her love to Arnold via the original film and The Jungle Movie, she was able to become her true self, and no longer beat the crap out of anyone who confronted her, since she felt comfortable enough to publicly display her affection to him. Helga's insecurity issues mostly disappeared, and would be willing to listen to Arnold's advice if she has future emotional outbursts.
*TL;DR:* Arnold x Helga also works, Seddie doesn't.
@@kcninetales5973 Not really Helga was planned to have a crush on Arnold since day one. Sam was designed as a joke character and they decided. Why not let's put her with Freddie and it didn't work.
@@kcninetales5973 Another thing both Helga and Sam have in common is having a perfect sibling. Helga has Olga and Sam has Melloney.
@@icecreamhero2375 Yeah, good point. Seddie was forced, and felt entirely like a decision that the producers made, because of fanservice. Also, I completely forgot about Melanie until now, thanks for reminding me.
@@kcninetales5973 Also Helga often learns her lesson at the end of her episodes and icarly doesn't really have lessons it's more about gags.
Freddie liking Sam out of rebellion to his mother makes perfect sense, there’s really no other logical reason as to why he would like the girl that bullied him. If that were me, I would make sure that I didn’t like Sam back as a way to get back at her from all that abuse she was doing👀
Same man I hated the ship between Sam and Freddy I called bs when they got together
And even versa I don't want Freddy to end up with a manipulative girl like Carly
To me that girl that Gibby liked back in season one that liked Freddy would have been way better
Petty.
@Leanna S. true but she also used that to her advantage and would use him, and would do that more often than he would stalk her. His stalking was all with good intent since it came from him genuinely liking her, while her using him came from more selfish reasons. And he ended up stopping that and they become friends and his creepiness was always seen as bad, but she on the other hand didn’t stop using him and no one called her out on it (it was seen as a joke, like every kind of disrespect towards Freddie is)
I mean they actually do balances each other out if it was written to the slightest perfection. He sweet she’s tough it just were used to seeing from different sides
Agreed!
Seddie is the kind of relationship that sounds like a great idea on paper, but just wasn't explored in the right ways. It felt like it was done more to appease the irl fans/shipping communities than to change the group dynamic in a truly meaningful way.
The streets need that Gibby analysis tho 👀
F A X .
It was more to appease fans I agree, and isn't meant to make sense irl on why that relationship would actually happen. We aren't supposed to see these relationships in the perspective on how society views the traits of the characters and how irl relationships work. This is just TV, both characters loved each other and wanted to be together and should be together, why deprive them of what they want. I don't see why we should say Freddie doesn't deserve Sam or Carly, like Freddie chose Sam and loves her and wants to be together mutually, and since they both have that incentive, I ship them
Except by your faulty logic carly and freddy shouldn't have broken up. Just because the characters think it's a good idea doesn't mean it is.
@@fightingmedialounge519 that's not our decision either
yup!! it really could've been great for developing both Sam and Freddie as characters, but it just stayed as bad canon shipping, sadly.
Even Nathan Kress (Freddie's actor),said their relationship wasn't good. He said that Freddie deserved a normal non-complicated girl when he was asked on who Freddie should've ended up with.
plus jenette said it didn’t make much sense
I think Carly would be better for him, problem is with how much more shallow Carly's character became over the years and how superficial all the guys she dates tend to be, along with her reasons to date them. Where as she friendzones Freddy just because. I don't have issue if she friendzones him because its her right to, but its just lame how Freddy never gets anything he deserves from anyone. Where as they try to make Carly's shallowness seem more sympathetic. When its not.
@@GeteMachine Melenie was the only one to show Freddie true kindness without anything in return yeah
@@GeteMachine now in the new season Carly stopped taking him for granted and he stopped trying to follow her all the way around
One character I'd love to see you analyse is Nora Dershlit, the "crazy" fan who kidnaps the ICarly gang from 'IPsycho' and 'IStill Psycho', she's one of the most out-there characters (which is saying a lot when you think of characters like Spencer, Freddy's mum, and Gibby) but I feel like you could provide an interesting analysis on her as (due to her actions) I believe there's more to her than just being a "crazy fan".
Yes!!👏👏👏👏
same with Sierra from Total Drama!
Perfect idea for a video
I love this idea I hope he sees this
YEAAAAA
Marissa Benson. Do Freddie's mom next. I've always wondered why she's so overprotected, albeit in an exaggerated way.
I thought it was because the father left/abandoned Freddie or the mom either when he was little or his mom broke up with him/ or vice versa cause she was so clingy.
@@chloenieuwsma4846 Maybe it is because of Freddie's dad, we'll never know unless Jayniac Jr. makes an analysis of her.
I think it could have been due to her own unstable upbringing in "The Fencing Bensons"
@@JohnDoe-xf8ew It's iFence. Remember, all iCarly episode titles begin with a lowercase "I".
Carlee Spindler I was talking about the fencing troupe not the name of the episode
This was toxic relationship and I think Freddie shouldn't forgive Sam after she sabotage his requirements for his dream school
Good point that was messed up and the worst part is that nothing narrative wise came from it
Sabotage
It is what it is, It's Freddie's problem and it is his choice. He loves Sam, so I guess I don't blame him and I think they should be together solely because they mutually love each other.
I would’ve broken up with her if I was him :// I wouldn’t even care if it was before we dated. I wouldn’t be able to forgive if someone sabotages something that important
@@thephoenix7090 yeah that's really stupid argument
I am begging of you: do a video on how Spencer Shay is an iconic and responsible caretaker not only for Carly, but for Sam, Freddie, and Gibby
He did
If he was truly responsible he would tell Carly And Sam to stop there mean actions towards him, Freddie, Melanie, Gibby, And others yeah
Who else remember the iCarly episode with the comic Con Shipping war between Carly,Freddie and Sam?, That was great
I start a fan war, good times ;)
YEESS i'm glad you mention it, when i watch it the first time was hilarious for me how the fans get crazy just because their shipps, now i'm grow up and I've been in a lot of fandoms and i've seen a lot of drama from them... Icarly warned me about ships wars and toxicity and i didn't know.
I remember I remember how they were mocking shippers lol
Jack Black was in it, right?
@@astoldbynickgerr actually yeah
I’m tryna figure out how Freddie could’ve ever liked Sam back after all that bullying she used to do to him, I don’t get it
@@activitine62 that’s true, but I feel like she could’ve at least apologized and showed that she turned over a new leaf. Instead she just let that anger out on Gibby, she was toxic and shouldn’t have been in a relationship tbh
@@activitine62 Shhh. Everyone wants to remain a victim.
@@learn2draw716 how is that remaining a victim? If someone is toxic it's only natural to not want to be around them.
@@yepperspeppers4216 Everyone is toxic these days.
@@learn2draw716 ? Now you're not even making a good argument. Instead of actually defending Seddie you just say "booo you said toxic booo popular word bad".
Can you analyze Gibby? I'd like to see what made him act the way he is.
I just feel like Gibby wanted attention, Carly, Sam and Freddie had iCarly, he wasn't popular and he did pretty much anything to be on their show
Yes
We can infer that his mom might be divorced, seeing as she and Spencer were able to date briefly in one episode.
However, in the prank episode, he said “ *DAD* . Fire up the grill. I’m bringing home a trout.”
I’m not sure what to logically conclude from this, but the fact that Gibby’s mom was “open” for a while, and that his dad came back out of nowhere probably has something to do with it. It could also help to explain why he became more rude as the show went on.
@@prettierjesus3119 maybe joint custody?
I think he is just autistic lol
Honestly I'd really want a vid analyzing Carly, it seems there isn't as much commentary on her as other characters out there
She sucks
To be fair there isn’t much to say about her. She was written so basic.
It's hard to analyze her I think because her personality is composed of being the main character and *almost* practically flawless. Dan Schneider has this bad habit of not writing depth to his main characters and making them identical to one another.
I feel like if ICarly got put on Netflix, then Carly would get exposed for being a “bland” character in the same way that Tori was but I still don’t agree with it. And the crazy thing is, Carly is so one dimensional, her only character trait is being nice.
Carly was too perfect of a character. Nothing complex about her character
9:20 finally dang someone sees how raggedy Beck was in the relationship, I can’t stand how everyone just excuses the fact that he be allowing all these girls to flirt with him and then makes Jade out to be the bad guy for not liking it. Jade deserves better than him fr, she deserves someone like Andre. I can see Andre helping Jace grow and become less insecure
This!!!!!
Agreed
Yeah Beck was problematic considering how condescending he was to her. And people still blame Tori when Beck was more at fault in the first episode.
With that being said, that doesn't fully excuse Jade's actions. She stalked and even threw a rock at Beck, which caused him to be scared to go out with Tori. Sounds like really psycho behavior.
Anyways I think Jade is better with Andre, and Beck is better with Tori.
Didn't Jade kiss Beck's friend moose? I don't care if it is when they broke.up Beck didn't kiss Tori
@@kiara_nights8857 they were broken up during that time and Jade only met Moose after she and Beck broke up. Beck on the other hand tried to get with girls that Jade already suspected while they were in a relationship. Tori and Beck kissed in the first episode, and Beck was flirting with Tori throughout the show, and when Jade was jealous he made her feel like she didn’t know what she was talking about. But as soon as he and Jade break up, he tries to kiss Tori twice
I think this couple sucked honestly , Sam was was too mean and abusive for me to just be okay with them in a relationship, I don’t think they had much chemistry either. I don’t believe Freddie ever really liked her but just dated her because he’s never gotten much female attention. I never shipped any of the characters from the show and think they would all just be better as friends
Well he did love her,he literally said he did.And have you seen istart a fan war?He had a bunch of girls who wanted him,he does get attention.
@@2beornot2be687 that happened while they were together she is talking about before then he didn't get attention
@@2beornot2be687 I’ve said I’ve loved people without loving them before. Again I think he was just happy to get any female attention and did what he could to keep it, as before he was always the rejected nerd girls started wanting him when the show started getting really big and by then the creddie and seddie love triangle stuff was already happening so he was already getting that attention from Sam is wat I’m saying
Okay I understand now.I don’t believe that he didn’t actually love Sam.In some way he did.Whether it was romantic or just friendship,I know for certain it was still love.You can love people as friends.
I still believe he loved Sam romantically but you can believe what you want.🙂
Chemistry wise, it was better than anything creddie ever showed
IDK why Nickolodian even TRYED to make this work. Like, why did they have to be a couple? It's almost like everyone HAS to date, and that a girl and a boy can't just be best friends.
I want to give them some credit though for showing why they didn't work, instead of ignoring the chemistry between them. But yeah, it'd be great if they showed a healthy boy/girl friendship. Personally my choice would be Carly and Freddie never dating, since that would be a healthy friendship, as opposed to Seddie (which is toxic both romantically and platonically)
It's realistic, teens get into relationships with people they're totally incompatible with and then they break up.
@@ellienyah yes but it didn’t have to be covered here
Thats my biggest issue with iCarly after the first 2 seasons really.
Yeah if they had a Frenemy relationship like Josh And Mindy I can see them working but no there relationship was more akin to Arnold And Helga, Jimmy And Cindy, And a few others yeah
I'll be honest, I used to like this ship, and was heartbroken when they broke up. Maybe it's because it was an interesting mix up to the status quo. But that was when I was, like, 10, and now I'm not 10, so I can now acknowledge that it was not an ok relationship.
I used to like Sam and Freddie cuz I saw the chemistry, but I realized how much I can’t stand how disrespectful Sam was to Freddie. And Carly really allowed Sam’s behavior, Freddie deserved better than both Carly and Sam
Exactly the fact that Sam did some way inhumane shit to Freddy and all Carly does is just call her name in a scolding tone
Never really defending Freddy or helping him out after all he's done for the squad
I Carly would be useless without Freddy and he proved that when he left for that other girls webshow
@@rantingbeanie9522 he should’ve did that again and actually put his foot down and letting them know that if they don’t stop treating him badly then he will not be returning to the show
@@growingupwithdisney honestly I really wanted to see that option explored
Where he leaves and actually means it
And he continues with his life infact going as much as to not hang out with both of them anymore
Let's see what they'll do
@@rantingbeanie9522 for real, they would’ve actually had to appreciate him that way, they really didn’t deserve him at all
@@growingupwithdisney on God man
Freddie is great, Sam abd Carly are cruel & don't deserve him
Low-key especially carly
@@nedumnwanze4120, why do you think Carly doesn’t deserve him more than Sam? Not to be rude just wondering.
@@angelascott3383 because there was no love from her to begin with, she took advantage of him because of his niceness, and was sometimes physical with him. There was no foundation to build on at all
Sam clearly loved him, but was way too different and abusive for any meaningful relationship to take place
@@nedumnwanze4120, oh ok. Thanks for sharing your opinion.
@@nedumnwanze4120 wow. big disagree. Carly was always way more respectful than Sam in regards to Freddie. At first Freddie was just a creepy boy that lived next door obsessed with her (staring out his peephole waiting for her to come home). and Carly was a bit weirded out but overly did her best to not hurt his feelings even when saying she didn't like him that way. But overtime they began to genuinely get to know each other, like each other as friends, and respect and admire each other's skillset. Sam and Freddie literally hated each other at first while Carly at least tried to be friends with him, even when he was overbearing and obsessive.
I don’t know why people ship them their relationship didn’t make sense and it was toxic they were better off as friends
Exactly
I think they just cute together beside the fact that your right and that is definitely a toxic relationship but as seddie fan... I still think there was chemistry
but I know that everyone here is right 😂😂 I know that make no sense I guess
Because characters in TV shows aren't allowed to just be friends anymore apparently.
Because it’s a fun dynamic to see, I’m not really looking for a healthy depiction of characters,
Even as Friends they were poisonous the only time they seemed not so bad was in the first season when most of there taunts where slight playful jabs and a few shouting sessions but not much physical attacking at least yeah
Sam & Freddie's relationship in icarly was like joey's relationship with rachel in friends , they just couldn't fit together
@Firebolt973 no I didn’t do it was like the kids version of friends
Not really while they are toxic they are toxic in different ways and I feel like seddie is worse
@@carlacarrero4975 agreed. Both don’t fit together but Freddie and Sam and Joey and Rachel are v different respectively and have a very different relationship. One is toxic, the other is a good friendship.
No, that is totally different.
Joey and Rachel were good friends, and their relationship wasn't toxic. All of contrary, Joey and Rachel had more sense and chemistry. They genuinely care about each other.
Difference is Joey And Rachel did not physically hound another too much compared to Seddie so yeah
the seddie arc was the most painstaking thing i'd ever witnessed. every time an episode from it comes on in reruns i have to change the channel because i just can't stomach how bad of an idea it was to pair these two (a bully and the person she bullied--and on top of that, after they get together, she doesn't even improve her attitude towards other people...she uses gibby as a placeholder for someone to torture and doesn't even have a good reason for it!) together. i don't _hate_ sam but after this sham of a relationship i started liking her a lot less tbh.
Same, I always changed the channel too! Thought I was the only one.
Same, except that Sam is my comfort character but I absolutely did not see any romantic chemistry between them and I saw that their relationship was toxic, mindless fan service soo yeah, I never watch those either.
I found it really cringe especially when they got super lovely dovey for each other. Its like their characters switched overnight. And im someone who really likes the seddie dynamic.
I hated it. I just through it wasn't justified. But, forced.
Actually she was abusive to others way before Freddie showed up in fact she would physically harm Gibby worse then she did Freddie and she physically abused Carly too on her first meeting with her so how any of them can handle being around Sam other then maybe wanting her Sister Melanie's respect is the only way I could see those three being friends with Sam otherwise I do not get it yeah
them becoming a couple should've just been them becoming good friends instead, them having a strong friendship by the end would've been a lot more interesting
I love her.
They broke up and never dated again, they could tell that they were just forcing romance from their Frenemies dynamic and it was better off to stay friends.
When I was younger I used to ship them. I think part of the reason Seddie was so popular was bc they both came from abusive households: Sam came from neglect and Freddie came from overcontrolling. The thought was they could help each other heal from their situations, but obviously that didn't happen and they were bad together
if the writers went that direction the relationship would’ve worked. their personalities literally could’ve worked but the writers couldn’t let sam and freddie get along since it was a running joke that she’d bully him.
@@sozi6451 that is so true, like if you look at their overall personalities, you can see them working as a couple, but the showwriters had to go around making Sam a bully, like couldn't u just have shown as violent? Why did it have to be abusive?
@@harshasewlani5312 and it was the perfect moment to show character development and that she’s actually a good person and she just had lots of issues with her mom/dad/childhood. couldve also taught kids that yeah you might have issues in life but you can still turn out decent afterwards if you work on yourself.
@@sozi6451 exactly
@@sozi6451 They had moments were they got along in the first season plenty at least but and most of there taunts towards another where not physical or and sexual but verbal but not over the top until Season 2 yeah
Seddie is a perfect example of why some relationships are better off platonic, and some people should stay friends
The issue with their relationship, is that Sam was abusive, even before they began dating. If the roles were reversed, people would be outraged that a girl would date and be around a guy who is abusive
Not really even in drama shows people often ship toxic relationships with mostly the guys being the abusers and attackers
You should do a video on Melonie & Sam and how they most likely grew up together but are in completely different places and have the opposite personality
sometimes in abusive/neglectful households they will treat all the kids right but single out one kid and abuse and neglect that kid. melanie was like the golden child and so she probably didn’t get the same parenting as sam did
That relationship reminds me a lot the relationship between helga and Olga But is less explored.
Melanie should of been a main character and her and Freddie would of made a fine more balanced out couple yeah
In you analysis of Alex Russo can you include whether or not shes worth being the family wizard
Honestly, there was a lot of build up to that tho in the second half of the series. Alex was one of the few Disney protagonists that actually evolved.
@@RVforestgreen Alex really was a relatable character, she used her powers for what she wanted, had relationship issues and did alright in school but Justin worked hard and put thought in his future, he didn't play around. Justin worked to be the family wizard and lost it to his lazy younger sister. I'm not saying Alex didn't work hard, I'm saying was she worth it? ( she was the main character so it was planned that way but should it have been?)
@@caseyb7139 In the third and fourth seasons, she proved that she starting to take wizard training seriously. It’s not too overt at first, but upon re watch you see that’s what they were going for. It’s only really in S3 and S4 you start seeing Alex save Justin repeatedly from HIS mistakes. Anyways, seeing that u watched the series finale, u would have seen that Justin arguably gets something even better than family wizard tho.
Another observation: it’s implied repeatedly that while Justin has more knowledge than Alex, Alex is far better at applying her knowledge for what she wanted. An interesting note, right?
You make some good points tho and that’s what I originally thought after it aired, but I rewatched recently and now I sort of view the intended story differently
Hmmm...
@@RVforestgreen agree 100% with you.
6:31 Even though I don’t ship it, I don’t like that the way she realized she liked him was something off camera. I guess they did it as a joke but like it wasn’t really funny, it should’ve been something that we actually know about
it wasn't for a joke lol, she didnt like him off camera either. There are subtle signs from day 1 and if you put the pieces together on why she pranks and bullies people constantly in combination with their interactions, it all adds up to why she expressed her love to freddie
Except didn't plan it from day one phoinex so those pieces are to a imaginary puzzle.
@@thephoenix7090 I know I just wished the reason she liked him wasn’t made as a joke and was actually from a scene we saw on the show
@@growingupwithdisney wdym as a joke
@@thephoenix7090 they made her figuring out that she liked him as a joke, it was something off camera of her pushing him down on his bike or something and then saying that he looked kinda cute, then Freddie responds with then it was worth the hearing loss
This is unrelated, but Freddie stay wearing that blue and white striped shirt. Do the wardrobe department not have any variety or sum?
I read this comment while watching 7:14 lol
I think freddie knows why she is so mean and aggressive. He knows she is a good person at heart but he knows also her terrible home life traumatized her and i loved that ship cause he was so caring about her and he really wanted to help her and he is worried about her safety. And i think he admires her physical strength. He liked it to be protected by her (also carly does, she always adviced her to beat someone, Ricky Flame or Nora e. g.) And i think all this made Sam love him too. That is because i love this ship. ❤
Nathan kress confirmed in an interview years ago even before Jennette stopped her acting career that Freddie was always to end up with Carly as he never stopped loving her and she too would realize her feelings for him as even the final episode had Freddie and Carly kiss, this revival directly continues on that..and seddie was just a fling that was entertaining and played out to please their fandom base a bit but they were too abusive and toxic and that fizzled out long ago as they were never meant to last and they never got back together after that break up in the original iCarly. In Sam and Cat, Nathan also confirmed Freddie never dated Sam again, they just met up for old times' sake and then he went back to Seattle and they knew better not to try dating again.
Yet Sam does not have be a Bully to most people nor physically and sexually Assault them particularly towards people she considers "Friends" like Carly, Freddie, Gibby, And others yeah.
Yo bro I’m hyped. I will say I hope one of these days you’ll at least one episode on that so raven.
Raven? Maybe. Cory? Definitely.
@@JayniacJr I could see that. Or maybe how the show comments on how uncertain the world and future is. That maybe a silly idea but one of the big tropes that’s a constant in the show is raven getting in wacky situations due to her being psychic, however each time it’s not exactly how her Vision is and on top of that no matter what she does it happens anyways. I gess what I’m trying to say is it sort of teaches her a lesson while showing how uncontrollable life can be, or at least a that how I see it. That’s just my 2cents on an idea. You can use it or go with the old classic, what, why, and how a character acts. It was my favorite Disney show as a kid and I’d like to se on what you come up with man.
@@kalebpinkston3495 YOU'RE A GENIUS!!!
@@JayniacJr thanks!
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I'd love to see your take on Spencer.
He's so interesting and genuine.
More like Saddie
U right 😭
"It's possible to fall in love with someone you're not compatible with, especially if you're as compassionate as Freddie."
This hits differently now
I agree that their relationship was awful, but do think that there is something that was started. It was the beginning of growth for romantic-intimate relationships.
Yes, they dated others, but never had real relationships before each other. I think they have found the beginnings of their potential to be better down the line.
Also, Freddie is holding a torch for Sam. He knows she can be better and is hoping that one day she will.
When they do get back together on-screen, but off-screen i think they are together as seen on sam and cat, their relationship will be much better than what was seen on Icarly, and that was just the beginning. They have much more potential together, and can ultimately be a great couple
I agree, Sam and Freddie were too young and immature during the Seddie arc to hold a serious romantic relationship, but the ending of the arc jumpstarted them toward growth and maturity.
When they meet up again in Sam and Cat, the two of them are far more grown up and healthier people. Them getting together feels a LOT more plausible at this point
@@chaselanglands6757 Nathan kress confirmed in an interview years ago even before Jennette stopped her acting career that Freddie was always to end up with Carly as he never stopped loving her and she too would realize her feelings for him as even the final episode had Freddie and Carly kiss, this revival directly continues on that..and seddie was just a fling that was entertaining and played out to please their fandom base a bit but they were too abusive and toxic and that fizzled out long ago as they were never meant to last and they never got back together after that break up in the original iCarly. In Sam and Cat, Nathan also confirmed Freddie never dated Sam again, they just met up for old times' sake and then he went back to Seattle and they knew better not to try dating again.
Even as a kid, I didn't like their relationship. There was a short time when I shipped Creddie, but only because I really liked Freddie and wanted him to be happy with Carly as a kid. However, I soon ended up realizing how bad their relationship was too. The episode where Freddie and Sam go on a date and drag Carly along to make sure they don't fight really annoyed me. I get that people like the whole "opposites attract," but they don't last. It was toxic despite their sweet moments, and it makes sense seeing how Sam was raised, but it shouldn't justify her behavior. I just wish TV shows didn't try making us root for the toxic relationships to happen, like Beck and Jade for example. It gives young people the wrong idea of how an actual relationship should be like, but at least we could use these pairs as an example of what it shouldn't be like. I get that they're just kid shows, but that makes it even worse since this kind of stuff was being shown to us as kids. Idk, those are just my thoughts.
Very nicely said!
As a teenager when watching this show, I never thought that deeply about the examples that shows like iCarly set. I can't speak from memory about the relationship dynamics between these 3 characters because it's been so long; I'm currently rewatching the series on Amazon video. I feel as if these teen sitcoms in general are written with no real substance in general; Disney Channel kind of took on a better reign when choosing shows that I could relate to growing up. iCarly seems to be part of the era where the shows are only made to help young viewers escape reality.
@@amyhoover9 I'm a teenager too and I get what you're saying, I just meant that certain shows in the past like iCarly have unnecessarily toxic relationships for comedy. You can try to see past it by remembering that it's a silly kids' sitcom, but certain things about Seddie's relationship was off putting even fiction wise. And some people are influenced by TV shows and eventually realize how bad things from them are when they're older though.
Yeah both ships were unhealthy and barbaric but if I had to chose between the two I would choose Creddie because they were much less physically aggressive towards another compared to Seddie yeah
Creddie was always the right/better choice. All it needed was for Carly to wake up and admit her feelings for him. Seddie was a bully and a victim which the fans tried so hard to paint as if it was a balanced rivals/enemies to lovers thingy but it wasn't 👎🏽💀
Analyze Spencer, Gibby, Carly, and Neville.
Ah I agree! I rewatched the show recently and honestly found their relationship super grating! I liked Carly a bit more with Freddie, but thats just because I enjoy romances. Realistically, none of them work. It would be great to see an analysis video on carly or spencer.. or even both?
Gibby
They forgot to balance out the romance with Sam actually showing she cares about Freddy genuinely. Basically the, "I make fun of you- but if anyone else dares to even look at you funny I will end them." Kind of friendship.
Because it wasn't.
ommmmggggggg what is this 👀👀 as someone who lived for all the seddie drama and romance as a kid, consider my interest piqued.
Omg I loved Seddie but I definitely agreed with this video...
Nathan kress confirmed in an interview years ago even before Jennette stopped her acting career that Freddie was always to end up with Carly as he never stopped loving her and she too would realize her feelings for him as even the final episode had Freddie and Carly kiss, this revival directly continues on that..and seddie was just a fling that was entertaining and played out to please their fandom base a bit but they were too abusive and toxic and that fizzled out long ago as they were never meant to last and they never got back together after that break up in the original iCarly. In Sam and Cat, Nathan also confirmed Freddie never dated Sam again, they just met up for old times' sake and then he went back to Seattle and they knew better to not date again.
Both Creddie and Seddie were very toxic. Freddie stalked Carly for years and when she finally showed any interest in him, it was because he saved her life. And even after he broke up with her, he STILL pined ever her even though she let him know multiple times she wasn’t interested....and Sam was just way too mean and abusive.
Freddie didn't stalk carly. That's insane. They were friends, neighbors, they went to school together, and they did a web show together. It makes perfect sense that he was around her as much as he was. He didn't even flirt with her like that, just the occasional compliment. Yeah, he made his feelings obvious, but he was also able to just be her friend, without his feelings interfering much. The reason that he broke up with her, was because he wanted her to like him for him. You make it sound like it's a crime to pin after someone. As long as you respect their boundaries, and don't harass them, then it's perfectly fine to pin after a person. And Freddie didn't harass Carly at all, he barely even flirted with her. All he did was hope that she would eventually change her mind about him.
@@justjoking4223 he stalked her before the webshow
@@justjoking4223 💯💯💯and indeed the endplan was that at the long-run she would reveal she did finally have feelings for him and she did, in the last episode Carly goes and kisses him.
I doubt that Freddie was afraid of Sam tbh, I don’t understand how he could like her but it’s definitely not because of fear
I agree. if Freddy was afraid of sam, he wouldn't be standing up to her as much as he did. he definitely has backbone, but he doesn't have the muscle or fighting skills to make her stop.
@@taylorschott4659 But Freddie was a master fencer he should of been at least fast, agile, acrobatic, and reflexive enough to tire Sam out yeah
@@matthewmann8969 yeah, but sam is also pretty fast. even if Freddie did manage to evade her for a bit, we,ve seen from previous escape attempts in the past that Freddie can't outrun sam or out muscle her.
@@matthewmann8969she's much stronger than him and she knows how to knock out a person with weapons. And i think freddie would never hurt her
Freddie would hurt her if he had the power to but as you said Sam is more strong and durable then him so yeah,@@taylorschott4659
As an unorthodox pick, maybe a character analysis on T-Bo from ICarly? Although there’s not much to go off of.
Not a bad choice.
“It’s possible to fall in love with somebody you’re not compatible with” dam bruh those words help me a lot.
I didn't know I needed this video until I clicked on it! Very interesting!!!!
Despite Freddie’s mom being extremely overbearing, I had to agree with her when it came to dating Sam. I wouldn’t want my son dating someone who bullied him either.
Especially if they don’t want to stop their detrimental behavior.
@@canvas_125 Even if she did stop Freddie should of pulled a Gibby on Sam and outright rejected her advances and laughed in her face Gibby was abused by Sam worse then Freddie was and he blew Sam off Freddie should of told Sam to go F herself no matter how many times she apologized and tried to make things up to him yeah
If Freddy and Sam switched genders this ship would be hated
On Sam and cat she says she regrets dating Freddie but it never seemed like that
I bet Freddie's the one who regrets.
FINALLY SOMEONE SEE THIS, IS OBV, THEY DONT WORK, THEY MADE EVERYBODY AROUND THEM UNHAPPY AND EACH OTHER UNHAPPY
Probably one of the best videos I've seen about iCarly. Wish there was more content like this about the show. Great stuff, keep it up
I always thought it was a toxic relationship and it made me uncomfortable that the show seemed to romanticize such a toxic relationship. She's downright abusive to Freddie and I feel really bad for him.
Yeah it is one thing to name call and tease someone verbally to a point that is but it is another thing to physically attack constantly unprovoked many times someone that you call your "friend" Sam called Freddie her and Carlys friend even early on in the first season and was not too physical to him but after Season One is when it became too dramatic and hammy and theatric yeah
I've always thought it was very toxic how these shows always perpetuated the trope that two people who hate each other, bicker, and are abusive to each other are destined to fall in love
They didn't, it was the desperate seddie fandom that clamored for it. That's why the whole plot was so forced in.
I just noticed this thing when i was watching Beck Oliver Being a Brother to cat and i saw this comment
:Credit to B e rr y
it was this
Why do i feel like Beck and Andrew knew about what actually happend to cat at home and why she acts like that so they decided to protect her since her parents and brother didn't? just a random thought
Jade seemed to know as well
I like their friend dynamic, I wish their dating dynamic was like that but softer, maybe with less... toxic elements
They just never meant to be, romantically, period.
Thank you so much for making this video, you rock.
I think these are your best videos honestly
The relationship ones?
@@JayniacJr the analysis on sitcom shows, you’re great at pulling a lot of convincing information from these seemingly empty shows. Really love it
If I wrote the Sam and Cat series, I would've made it about Sam growing up and maturing into an adult. Also I would've made it where Sam apologies to Freddie for bullying him for so many years
Maybe that was planned, but we never got to see it due to the fact of it getting cancelled.
She is going to need more then a apology she needs to allow Freddie to get even with her and make her life miserable like she did to his often yeah
Nathan kress confirmed in an interview years ago even before Jennette stopped her acting career that Freddie was always to end up with Carly as he never stopped loving her and she too would realize her feelings for him as even the final episode had Freddie and Carly kiss, this revival directly continues on that..and seddie was just a fling that was entertaining and played out to please their fandom base a bit but they were too abusive and toxic and that fizzled out long ago as they were never meant to last and they never got back together after that break up in the original iCarly. In Sam and Cat, Nathan also confirmed Freddie never dated Sam again, they just met up for old times' sake and then he went back to Seattle and they knew better not to try dating again.
@@noblepotato2319 Nathan kress confirmed in an interview years ago even before Jennette stopped her acting career that Freddie was always to end up with Carly as he never stopped loving her and she too would realize her feelings for him as even the final episode had Freddie and Carly kiss, this revival directly continues on that..and seddie was just a fling that was entertaining and played out to please their fandom base a bit but they were too abusive and toxic and that fizzled out long ago as they were never meant to last and they never got back together after that break up in the original iCarly. In Sam and Cat, Nathan also confirmed Freddie never dated Sam again, they just met up for old times' sake and then he went back to Seattle and they knew better not to try dating again.
@@moiii_01 So basically, Freddie and Carly are like the Sam Raimi Peter Parker and MJ
Only person who treated Freddie as a equal and not as a minion, punching bag, or punch line is Melanie she was the only one who truly respected and showed respect to Freddie without a ulterior motivation yeah
Ive seen all your icarly videos and it reminded me of how complex that show was. Great times. And great analysis. Thanks for the nostalgia, man! Cheered me up. New subscriber :)
i think sam should've had an arc during her relationship with freddie where he sort of showed her she was worthy and capable of expressing and accepting love that helped her soften up. keep her high energy personality but lessen her aggression and make her less violent, especially against those she cares about.
Carley tried something similar but even she realized that it would never be a permanent solution. it taught her a little restraint at best, but sam is not the kind of girl who can just turn the flames down once they are lit on her own. the only real way that sam and Freddie's relationship would have worked is if they kept letting each other enjoy their own hobbies like they originally were doing without forcing each other to do things they have no interest in. they could have asked each other what all of their hobbies are and tried to find common ground, but knowing sam, she most likely wouldn't be willing to try 90% of freddie,s hobbies except for reading and maybe hacking. the fact that sam actually tried to recreate the recipe for blue dog soda in sam and cat on her own and came relatively close on the first try means that she might have a promising career in the soda making business with practice.
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The thing about this relationship is it had on point chemistry and infinite potential, but it was lazily executed.
Sam was never humbled for what she did to Freddie, her behaviour never changed towards him she could make amends actually DO something for him, apologise, realise her bad behavior towards him. Like that N.E.R.D. camp thing where she ruined his FUTURE??? That could've been a good start. I could see why she would like him, not the other way around though.
After the 2nd kiss episode Freddie could've gotten a sudden back bone where he contemplates if dating a bully like Sam was actually worth it, not just, "he's my boyfriend so beating him up is cute now lol" He could've rejected her and she could've actually proven herself to him, and start to treat him like an individual whom she cares about, because she did NOT before. Her genuineness could've been what attracted him. As a bonus Freddie could've helped her character development.
But it's too late now so whatever
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I love your final thoughts segment, when we see you. Don’t know why. When i listen to your videos while doing something else, I always pop back in front of my screen for your face to face final thoughts segment
Thanks that really means a lot to me!
I also never forgot the time where Carly said that Sam sabotaged his application to N.E.R.D camp, and Carly told Freddie not to break up with Sam regardless of what she did...
Now I dont see any other reason for her to do that to reduce her own feelings of guilt because she was jealous and felt left out. And... of course... they make up by kissing
Sam got off WAY too easy for this... And Carly is too blame..
Carly was off character for a bit all in a bit to let her friends 'be happy' but she wasn't to blame. Sam who was persistently overbearing/demeaning and Freddie, especially Freddie who always knew how Sam was were to blame for entering and trying to keep forcing such a toxic pairing between themselves.
This is so funny how you take the approach of researching and picking apart these characters from a human perspective, rather than a story telling narrative
I'm glad someone noticed.
Honestly, I think the enemies to friends to love interests is part of the charm of Seddie. Creddie is mainly based on two things, Freddie's crush on Carly and Carly's survivor's guilt or whatever it's called when Freddie saves her from breaking her leg and her arm. However, if you watch the show enough, you can see how Sam starts to get jealous around them and potentially sabotages their relationship. But she isn't doing it out of malicious intent. She's actually trying to save Freddie from the heartache of when his heroic actions fade away from his and Carly's relationship. So Sam does have her moments, she just hides under the tough exterior that was assumably made by Sam having to deal with a mother who really doesn't know how to parent. And this is why I think Seddie would work. Sam deals with problems either by herself or with Carly, and Freddie's problems are usually based around Sam or his mother. As strange as it is to think of things in this way, Sam already has an idea of how to be an adult, While Freddie and Carly are still sheltered at home. So maybe Seddie isn't as toxic as everyone makes it sound. That is my opinion and my view on this.
And I mean, once Carly left the show, Sam left to Los Angeles. I don’t think Sam and Freddie could’ve remained their friendship without Carly as well
Nathan kress confirmed in an interview years ago even before Jennette stopped her acting career that Freddie was always to end up with Carly as he never stopped loving her and she too would realize her feelings for him as even the final episode had Freddie and Carly kiss, this revival directly continues on that..and seddie was just a fling that was entertaining and played out to please their fandom base a bit but they were too abusive and toxic and that fizzled out long ago as they were never meant to last and they never got back together after that break up in the original iCarly. In Sam and Cat, Nathan also confirmed Freddie never dated Sam again, they just met up for old times' sake and then he went back to Seattle and they knew better not to try dating again.
I honestly think it’s the kind of relationship that’s “Right-person-wrong-time” kind of thing. They could work but not now, maybe if they matured a little but if that doesn’t work out, just friendship is never really bad
It was never that, they were just too different and wouldn't have ever worked romantically and the actors concurred.
Nathan kress confirmed in an interview years ago even before Jennette stopped her acting career that Freddie was always to end up with Carly as he never stopped loving her and she too would realize her feelings for him as even the final episode had Freddie and Carly kiss, this revival directly continues on that..and seddie was just a fling that was entertaining and played out to please their fandom base a bit but they were too abusive and toxic and that fizzled out long ago as they were never meant to last and they never got back together after that break up in the original iCarly. In Sam and Cat, Nathan also confirmed Freddie never dated Sam again, they just met up for old times' sake and then he went back to Seattle and they knew better not to try dating again.
I personally would like to see something about my favorite character Spencer
Yaaay I can never get enough of your icarly videos. Please examine Spencer... I'd like to hear what he offers beyond just comic relief!
Abusive and the actors' chemistry was a more sibling like one . It was doomed from the begginig
Yes!!!!!! They literally acted and argued like a brother with his annoying sister that BULLIED him for no reason.
Also, Nathan kress confirmed in an interview years ago even before Jennette stopped her acting career that Freddie was always to end up with Carly as he never stopped loving her and she too would realize her feelings for him as even the final episode had Freddie and Carly kiss, this revival directly continues on that..and seddie was just a fling that was entertaining and played out to please their fandom base a bit but they were too abusive and toxic and that fizzled out long ago as they were never meant to last and they never got back together after that break up in the original iCarly. In Sam and Cat, Nathan also confirmed Freddie never dated Sam again, they just met up for old times' sake and then he went back to Seattle and they knew better to not date again.
"You can fall in love with someone that isn't compatible for you" yeah I- I have noticed .-.
The producers knew from the get go they wouldn't work together, but they got the ship out to the sea to please the fans.
Nathan kress confirmed in an interview years ago even before Jennette stopped her acting career that Freddie was always to end up with Carly as he never stopped loving her and she too would realize her feelings for him as even the final episode had Freddie and Carly kiss, this revival directly continues on that..and seddie was just a fling that was entertaining and played out to please their fandom base a bit but they were too abusive and toxic and that fizzled out long ago as they were never meant to last and they never got back together after that break up in the original iCarly. In Sam and Cat, Nathan also confirmed Freddie never dated Sam again, they just met up for old times' sake and then he went back to Seattle and they knew better not to date again.
Tbh id love for a Spencer focused video from you. Hes my personal fave and, even though ive found ur channel mere hours ago i love ur video format
Your videos have so much rewatch value.
i hated them together lol. they were cringe tbh, there was just no chemistry
wish I could pin your comment lol
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On paper the idea of seddie seems feasible but honestly during those four episodes it was nothing more than a toxic relationship.
What a thrill, I always like your videos even before I see them because I know that it is 100 for sure that I will love it!
Wow, thank you!
I love them as a concept, hate them the way it’s implemented.
Nathan kress confirmed in an interview years ago even before Jennette stopped her acting career that Freddie was always to end up with Carly as he never stopped loving her and she too would realize her feelings for him as even the final episode had Freddie and Carly kiss, this revival directly continues on that..and seddie was just a fling that was entertaining and played out to please their fandom base a bit but they were too abusive and toxic and that fizzled out long ago as they were never meant to last and they never got back together after that break up in the original iCarly. In Sam and Cat, Nathan also confirmed Freddie never dated Sam again, they just met up for old times' sake and then he went back to Seattle and they knew better not to try dating again.
Do an analysis on Carly pleaseeee! Btw I enjoy SO much watching your videos! Your content is so good and creative, keep doing what you love
Seddie is the kind of ship you get into if you never been in a relationship before. Its the kind of ship that's cute if you only see the pining ended off with a big kiss at the end of a series. They have passion and attraction certainly, but zero compatibility. Theyre friends but the only real thing they have in common that they both openly and willingly enjoy is their friendship with carly and the webshow.
Frankly I'm over the whole fighting like a married couple thing too just as someone who's parents argued all the time, couples fight but a man and a woman fighting all the time isn't cute and its sad that so many relationship problems don't get taken seriously becauee people just think its cute
I saw no worthwhile romantic chemistry even. It was all exaggerated and dramatic just to please their fandom and thereafter show how much they won't work out after their spur of the moment conflicting fleeting feelings burst.
Nathan kress confirmed in an interview years ago even before Jennette stopped her acting career that Freddie was always to end up with Carly as he never stopped loving her and she too would realize her feelings for him as even the final episode had Freddie and Carly kiss, this revival directly continues on that..and seddie was just a fling that was entertaining and played out to please their fandom base a bit but they were too abusive and toxic and that fizzled out long ago as they were never meant to last and they never got back together after that break up in the original iCarly. In Sam and Cat, Nathan also confirmed Freddie never dated Sam again, they just met up for old times' sake and then he went back to Seattle and they knew better not to try dating again.
I don’t know about y’all but I wouldn’t date someone who’s been bullying me for years and I’m afraid of. That’s just me tho I guess but if it was the other way around Freddie bullying sam everyone would be freaking out. Idk their relationship just normalizes abusive/toxic relationships.
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Amazing analysis as usual, and thanks for the subtitles in Spanish!!!
My pleasure!
Please do Leo and the rest of the Ninja Turtles and other characters! I know it was the least voted, but I was so excited to see it in the poll because TMNT 2012 is my ultimate show (it’s so underrated) and I would love to get your insight on its characterization and plot, please 🥺🙏🏻
Tell me why ive been binging all of these videos today
love these videos man!
this doesn't really have anything specific to do with this video but i just wanted to say i love your content! you bring up points i never would have thought of and i really like developing my own opinions on these different characters along with you :)
(plus, your voice is incredibly soothing)
I appreciate that!
Can't wait!
I don’t think Sam was domineering when they were together were they
They say that you end up with someone like your parent
Yup. They were actually working pretty well as a couple. Sure they were arguing a lot, but that was kinda their thing since the very beginning (would have been weird to *not* see them argue for too long) and something they could've worked out if given the time to develope their relationship
Does not matter Freddie should of did what Gibby did to Sam and said to her that he was just not interested in her not caring if Sam gets her feelings hurt or not after all Sam herself is a bully to him and most other people not to mention her terrible disgusting eating habits and personal hygiene realistically Freddie should of not even wanted to be her friend period yeah
I just wanted to say I really like your voice. It makes your vids more enjoyable
Thank you so much
@@JayniacJr Welcome ^^
Yes do more of these, do Carly, Spencer and Freddie! :D
Key point: I actually remember the plot line where Sam deliberately sabotaged Freddie’s chances of getting into college and this was when they were dating. Is trust and personal boundaries even a thing in this relationship???
I don’t understand why anyone supports this ship. Is it Bc they’re attractive together????
It's probably mostly because Nathan and Jennette had great chemistry together, they were really close and that somehow rubbed off on their characters in my opinion
@@maer_chen he fits better with Miranda and has more chemistry plus compatibility with her. It's just he made more off-screen appearances with Jennette and so the seddie fandom got deluded with that
Freddie always fitted better with Carly and has more chemistry plus compatibility with her. It's just Nathan (Freddie) made more off-screen appearances with Jennette(Sam) and so the seddie fandom got more deluded with that
@@moiii_01 Big disagree. Freddie and Carly give off sibling energy, whereas Sam and him always had this special spark. There's a reason the majority of the fandom shipped Seddie and not Creddie
@@maer_chen Sam and Freddie were literally a brother and his annoying lil sis that humiliated and bullied him for no reason but just for her(Sam) entertainment lmao. They gave all the sibling-like Frenemies vibes possible and bickered non-stop before during and even after their failed attempt at romance