Driving The Deranged Renault 5 Turbo 1 - Is The Best Car In A 007 Film Actually French?
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- It featured in Never Say Never, one of the most iconic car chases of any Bond Film. As a mid engined hatch back it also possibly one of the craziest designs of all time. Everybody loves it.. and this is the extra special first run car too.
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The owner has an IMPECCABLY eclectic taste in cars.
What a marvelous collection!!!
I'm SOOO jealous.
Avant garde all the way
My comment comes as an owner of a Turbo 2. My love for these cars is, well... in my mind they are the barometer for determining a true car nut. Just a handful of cars ever produced are as interesting and special as an R5 Turbo.
These cars reputation for being widow makers is utterly ridiculous. They are much better handlers then a long history of automotive journalists will have you believe. They are balanced and only will bite at you if you behave like a complete birk. They drive very similar to an early Porsche 911 Turbo but not as ominous. Tons of turbo lag which only makes things more thrilling one the boost comes on. In 1981, when the R5 Turbo was released, it was the very first production car to break the 100 horsepower per liter barrier, with 158hp from it's 1397cc engine. (The 62' Ferrari GTO is often credited with being the first but in reality it only made 291hp from it's 2953 cc's.) The 220mm wide metric TRX tires are less grippy then the optional 285mm Pirelli P7's and I agree, the Michelins are more fun since they can be made to slide around a bit. (I think my car is less fun with the big steam-roller rubber, but it looks so much better with the rear wheel wells filled.) Shifting in these cars is actually really accurate and much less balky then you describe so long as all the shift linkage is in good nick. It is a semi-complicated mechanism and it can take some work to get it right but once it is... it's darn good considering how far back the trans sits.
Other interesting things of note not covered in this video...
For those of you wondering about access to service the engine... the rear quarter lights (windows) are hinged and open fully to allow access to engine area. Also, behind the seats are removable access panels for servicing the alternator, waterpump, belt and Bosch fuel injection system. Also behind the seats sits the fuel tanks... all 93 liters (25 US gallons) of them. That's right, these cars carry their fuel INSIDE the passenger compartment! This gives them a 1000 km (600mile cruising range). No idea why they needed so much fuel as a rally car. Last little interesting fact is that these cars were made in the same production facility that constructed the Renault F1 cars of the era in Dieppe France. The longitudinal mounted engine, 2 seat layout and wild Gandini styling make this a TRUE 80's supercar. For those of you interested, these will run to 60 mph in about 6.5 seconds if you're willing to abuse the clutch but in the real world, the lack of boost from a dead stop will mean that anything will get off the line faster then a R5 Turbo.
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Very interesting car any pictures
I share your man crush on the 5 Turbo and the colour is perfect for me too! I'd take that particular 5 Turbo over loads of super cars...I absolutely love that car!
Glad we’re in agreement mate.. she’s a beauty!! Possibly my fav car from any Bond film.
@@Number27which bond film was this car in .out of intrest
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@@user-kc3fn1gu6g Never say never again.
@@user-kc3fn1gu6g He said it in the intro. It was the non official Bond movie, the last with Sean Connery; Never say Never again!
The Renault 5 Turbo oozes personality, such a unique car. We have lost that in the modern cars.
Toyota yaris GR enters the chat.
@@kimwalton2873 totally agree, this is what the French do so well.
@@KimiMD You may be right but I don't think I have seen a Yaris GR in the US.
These would be cool if they were a $5k old car but they are not they are $150k , so has to be judged on that basis and that basis is rubbish . Not fast , not reliable , not comfortable. Just another Bboomer investment vehicle living in the past.
@@KimiMD 1000%
I'm 45. When I was growing up there was one on the street next to me, it was parked in the street and I passed it most days, I liked it but never payed it that much attention. Now I'm in love with the bloody thing and wish I could go back!
Paid...
Same age as me, miss the old school cars.
That interior is really special. I love it.
Born in 1975, for me, this is the OG of hot hatches. Love that stereo too. Credit to the owner.
That's such a rare option - impossible to find back then let alone now.
The michelin trx and the pirelli p7 tyres back in the day had the 2 coolest tread patterns in the business to my ,now old eyes.
The Michelin TB rally intermediates were the business, We went from nowhere to 3rd fastest stage time in a Talbot 1600ti all down to the tyres
I had a Turbo 2 back in 92. I also had a Gordini Turbo at the same time. The Turbo 2 was 18inches wider at the back. Mine had a 180 kit and a Devil exhaust on it. Absolutely bonkers car and one I always wish I’d kept!
Only recently sold my Gordini Turbo and Turbo 2. I also owned both concurrently. Miss both tremendously.
😂😂 oh, you got to love the "balls" the Frenchies had to let Bertone have his way with the dashboard.....brilliant daring move! The entire R5 1st is purrrrrrr. Great video 🎉❤
The best episode yet? Fabulous, so many memories.
Talk about a walk down memory lane, saw one, same colour in 1981 in st Ives Cornwall, on holiday with mum n dad as a 14 year old, on the rear it said rabbit injection, and a image of 2 rabbits mating! Awesome rare car, was a great watch jack 👍
I used to be VW mad so got a '72 Beetle when I was 17 and had a '61 bug also... used to say shit like "air cooled all the way", but then one freezing cold winter's night I got a lift from a girlfriend's brother in his black R5 Turbo, with blacked out windows and a nice sound system, all dark and warm and cosy inside. I had been scraping ice off the inside of my windscreen in the bug that day... Something fundamental changed within me that night, and within a year I had my very own R5 Turbs. I worked my arse off and got myself a sound system too - Cerwin Vega sub, Alpine 6x9s and a big Kenwood amp. Owning and driving that car was an amazing feeling - I used to drop my friends off and try to head home, but I was addicted to the feeling of driving this car with my favourite tunes blasting, just carving up the country roads by myself.
Then one day me and a friend were racing down one of our regular country roads late at night. He was in his Clio 16v (Mk1), and behind me putting some pressure on. As I was coming around a gradual bend at 80-odd mph, I saw the mud tracks on the road where a tractor had been coming in and out of a field during the day. I hit the mud, and the car instantly spun, sliding sideways over the kerb which deleted all of the wheels. The car the smashed into the drainage ditch between the road and field, and ricochet back out and over the road into the ditch on the other side. I came around to the fire brigade getting me out of the back seat of the car, the driver's seat was there empty with the seatbelt still done up. My Sub box, shelf and amp, along with everything else that was in the car like tools, was scattered all over the road, as well as in the hedge and field. I suffered a broken shoulder so went off in the ambulance and got loads of drugs and gas which was nice. I came to again in A&E, to the sight of about 6 friends looking down at me, all of them absolutely gurning their faces off on E's - they were out at a rave (Exodus) and heard about the accident and just left the rave mid session to come to the hospital. I'll never forget that - the 90's were a wild time!
Anyway that turned out to be more waffle than I planned. But cars can do that to us... I am very passionate and emotional about certain cars and the R5 will always hold a special place in my heart.
You lucky sod Jack. That's also my all time favourite car let alone 80's rally special. I saw that very car at Bicester a couple years back and I would have one in an instant if possible.
BOY. That interior is so French in the best possible way. You could mistaken it for Centre Georges Pompidou.
Back in the early 90's a knew a lad who lad who had the R5 GT Turbo Raider (this was a facelifted version, basically, of the FWD Renault 5 GT Turbo). It was a quick and entertaining car. He replaced with with a Renault Clio Williams, trading in the Raider for an early one of those. The Clio was an altogether more civilised thing, but a few weeks later he was thinking of buying the R5 back for "high days and holidays" both because it was fun and because he was emotionally invested in it (it was the first thing he rewarded himself with when his business took off), but the dealers had already shifted it - never to be seen again. I ran into him around a decade later in about 2003 and he had his young family in tow and a Laguna. We chatted about the good old days but you know what they say - you can never go back.
I had 2 GT Turbos back in the day - a D reg mk1 and an F reg mk 2 - both red - happy days 😊
We had a lad who was a few years older with a raider at school, dark blue. He worked outside school and I think parents helped him out.
He tuned the balls off of it with dump valve exhaust etc. He crashed it up at Epsom downs and the insurance refused to pay out, this was around 97-98. It must have been worth 7-10k back then.
I always questioned how the hell he afforded the insurance. Well now we know he never told them! Harsh lesson in life!
@@tombutcher3021I went to a few local car meet ups and if/when the police turned up that was something they checked. Back then they didn't seize the car but you had a week to produce documents proving you had declared the mods or you were in real trouble. I always declared any mods to be on the safe side - oddly it didn't effect insurance much
Always loved these cars, had a ride in one when I was about 15, my mates step dad was a chauffeur to a rich family, the man had a Rolls Royce, he bought his wife a Renault 5 turbo - it was easily the fastest thing I had been in up to that point, about 160bhp which these days is nothing but cars were a lot lighter back then - it really shifted 😊
One of our loved cars 🇨🇵
Wow, just wow. I remember being 11 when Renault & Audi were going hammer & tong at each other in WRC. What a great car!!
I have also had a crush for the turbo 1 in red, after watching that chase in Bond as a kid 😄 I thought it was the coolest car ever. And that makes this your coolest episode ever 😊
Jack, it's a typically French car for it's time, a time when Renault said, "we are the French, we will make this car any way we like it", and they made fantastic "drivers" cars, pieces of stylish art. Beauty in the eye of the beholder. You come up with some very"entertaining " picks, excellent 👍.
Finally my dream car being reviewed.. grew up with these cars .. nothing has come close to these
Would love one of these. I remember when they came out and I saw the first pic it blew me away.
I can't tell you how lucky I was as an Irish immigrant growing up in Canada. Same age as you, and getting a R5 Gordini as my very first car. Took my license test in it. I remember the tester asking me, what was it? He hadn't a clue. They were somewhat popular in Quebec but not in English speaking, Toronto. Mine had the same Moto Lita steering wheel as the series 2 turbo cars had.... Loved that. Of course, I always wanted one of these so I did what any sensible teenager would do and put the widest set of tyres I could possibly fit on the back. 195 versus the 145's on the front. I'd kill to find another one!
Another great review thanks Jack. It would be great to see an interview with the owner and to be shown around his wonderfully eclectic collection
Have driven the Series 2 extensively & worked on it, not difficult to maintain, just time consuming as various bits of trim have to be removed to access the engine.
Unbelievable to drive, even if it is slightly “cammy” & the boost delivery is a bit sudden. With modern tyres it’s absolutely amazing!
Back in the day I was well aquainted with a chap who used to rally one of these R5T Mk1 ... Astoundingly fast, incredibly twitchy in the back end when the power came in ... and generally extremely dangerous.
What's not to love?
With the addition of the roof-mounted stereo and those rear speakers, that might just be THE best interior of any 80s car for the vibe of it.
Had a 2 series in late eighties. May not be as mad design as the 1 but was fab to drive. Stuck to the road like glue. Once got asked by a copper what it was like to drive. Absolutely loved it and was praised by garage for not f'ing up the turbo as always let it warm up before giving it some. Very fond memories and would love to have one again.
iconic car , now you have to try the Clio V6 :)
I drooled over these when I was a lad and nearly came to grief in a mk2. Great car, just like the Alpines you mentioned
Living in France so many years ago, these cars fascinated me. So cool.
I also figured out from this video that I'm older than Jack. 😮
My Secondary School teacher had one of these back in the late 80s! Notley High School, Braintree, Essex. What a legend!
So sad we only got "Le Car" in the states.
Also the fuego turbo
Who loves a fuego ?
I live in Menton, France and the little handbrake turn and tunnel clips were filmed here. Trivia part 2 is that the handbrake turn is just in front of the cemetery where William Webb Ellis is buried. A great car for our little roads 👍.
This and the Delta. All time childhood dreams 🙂
2:01 I love it. This is the cool future car aesthetic we never got.
My uncle bought a T2 in 1983. It was in a metallic brown with a lighter brown shade of seats and carpet. Not his first choice but it was someones order that he managed to get and it was still a good looking car. I do remember it being off the road for 3 months while tyres came from France though. Back in the day it felt very quick indeed when 160bhp was enough and cars weighed less than a tonne.
If you want 80's bonkers this is most certainly it. It is so iconic and of its time but still looks good even today. I agree that you have to keep those wheels they help to make the car. Jack you said the stereo was 'not very good' but would you even hear it anyway unless you made your ears bleed?! I like the whole interior including the steering wheel and the window 'wipers', I knew what you meant. (we will let you off the odd mistake as you were sooo excited). The period extras were so well thought out. You probably didn't sleep that night Jack after that drive! Thanks for such a great review Jack. 👍👍
Cool video, Jack! One can really feel how excited you are to drive one of your childhood dreams. 😊
My younger brother had a series 2 Turbo Renault 5 and he absolutely loved it.
I saw one of these coming down the hill above Grasse - 30 years ago but I can still see it today - grip ,grip,grip - it swooped.
What a total beauty.... It takes me back.... I was 19 when these were out and a wealthy friend had one...
Regarding the handling, I completely agree. It feels like a much bigger car. Utterly planted. I drove mine pretty enthusiastically, and never got close to its limits. I did get it sideways on a roundabout once, but just eased off the power slightly and it immediately came back into line. Fun, yes. Scary? No. Mind you, I never drove it hard in the wet!
Don't forget that the Turbo 1 or 2 can corner at 0.94g. Only slightly less than the 1998 Subaru Impreza 22B, for example. Incredible for its time.
Oh and the ride comfort? Sublime. Not even "good for a performance car". Sublime. Not Citroen-esque, but never harsh or hard. Puts many a modern car to shame.
the late john price once took me for a spin in a rally prepared one on the welsh roads. it was quite something. very hard to drive though due to the short wheelbase and huge turbo lag.
I bought my T2 in the late 90's, ex Peter Stringfellow, trimmed in red leather and wearing 285 tyre's on the rear.
Mine had the bigger intercooler and a few other period bits so was around 205 - 225hp depending on the weather.
That was fine in the dry apart from exiting roundabouts but was a bugger to keep pointing in a straight line when it was wet.
Should never have parted with it but did just after the FOS in 2003 where it was displayed on their cricket pitch and one guy offered me way over what I'd paid for it so decided to let it go.
Never forgotten...
They are Michelin TRX tires. The wheels are sized so that you can ONLY run TRX tires on them. Renault also shod the Fuego with them.
What a joy to see this on your channel Jack. Wonderful. I still remember CAR magazine raving about the car at the time. Apparently, it drives very well until it doesn't. If the back does go you are done for. I think you would have to be very silly to push that hard on road.
In the late 70,s I had a Renault 5TS as a company car then a turbo which was fun.Later on I recall driving a mid engined Turbo 2 down the Cromwell Rd in West London which had turbo lag you could measure with a sundial! It would come in with a thump & then you'd hit the fairly low RPM red line,not ideal in London traffic even in the early 80,s.They shared these quite scary characteristics with the BMW 2002 Turbo & the Saab 900 which were all,of course, preceded by the "widowmaker" beloved of yuppies Porsche 911 Turbo!
Love these. I was so excited to see one. Brought back the 13 year old me.
I love this little car
Great you got your hands one one of these 😮I’m no fan at all of Renault cars but, the fact Renault went a bit mental with this (and the Clio V6) always brings a smile to my face so credit where credit is due😁
Right there with you for this one Jack, absolutely epic! Retaining the original wheels is a must, they are part of the cars identity.
That might be one of the best sounding turbo 4 cylinders ever
I'd take one of these over almost any modern car - gorgeous, quirky and bonkers! Makes you grin standing still and at speed. That roof mounted Panasonic unit is chef's kiss.k
That will be a proper scream to drive, i dropped a vvc 160 in a rover metro years ago, and 160bhp in a car like that, is a proper laugh, it would surprise a lot of people, but you got drive stuff like that with respect, My mate put his toe down in my vvc metro, and it bit him, to the point his hands were white with fright. Thanks for showing this off, as i have only seen photos of the Turbo 1. 80s and 90s were where the cars were like, mid 2000s we lost our way sadly.
una delle auto piu' particolari e scenografiche della storia,anche grazie alla mano di marcello gandini assolutamente un grande
Such a historical car!!!!
That interior is so gallic! I've always loved these
I absolutely love these cars! Any Renault 5GT Turbo, but this is the ultimate. As for Never Say Never Again, a not so great Bond bootleg that went up against Octopussy and the best Bond, Roger Moore.
The engine sounds great on the vid!
For a Renault of the 80's that cornering is flat!😂
There was one Renault 5 turbo 2 in Jersey in the 80s and it was the head turner of its day. Blue ans white, huge flares and 2 seats. Loved it.
I was too distracted thinking about Sean Connery saying there was thish girl in Philadelphia.
Fantastic to see your car on here, Richard!
The Tyres are called Michelin TRX . They were all the rage back then. You could get them on R30TX, Peugeot 505turbo, 604gti, CX turbo2, BMW 528i 6 and 7 series. And some Ferrari's. Probably some other cars i forgot. These days new repops are quite expensive and modern tyre technology has advancced quite a lot. What many owners did was swapping the TRX wheels for Gotti wheels.
Currently about £280 + VAT per tyre. Metrics are not for regular use these days. I remember the Michelin TRXs I had on my 635CSi would be fine for the first year or so, but then the rubber would harden after that.....which was less than helpful if the road was greasy or wet.
And amazingly, the 79' to 83' Ford Mustang in the U.S...
Jack, yet another awesome video, great car!
I love this car. I have many diecast versions. This and the Peugeot 205 T16 have got to be the cutest little rockets ever.
see one in the flesh and you are smitten for life! Love em!
I’m with you that the tyres are going to give you the lean. But those wheels look epic.
Michelin TRX tyres were an absolute must back in the day.
Cool looking car. I seem to recall seeing at least one of these rallying Group B in the Isle of Man in the 80's.
Magnificent! I actually love the sound of this and the way it looks. I guess the closest i could ever get was the EVO 9 i had from new. Huge turbo lag, great sound on boost. A car that you didnt need the radio on,rather, to drive it with a window down. I felt a aprt of the car. I wish manufacturers would return to the smaller, lighter vehicles that oozed creativity. The modern SUVs are all like eggs on wheels. Dull.
One of my must haves when the lottery allows me a man cave! You said it was benign and calm; i can remember reviewers of the day mentioning such things as massive, unpredictable lift-off oversteer 😊
My first car was an R8. My dad had 4CV’s, a Dauphine, R4, and an R16. They all had that smooth Gallic ride and decent handling. I’ve always fancied the R5 Turbo.
The Turbo 1 was built to the Group 4 rule the later Turbo 2 ran in Group B.
I saw both the works Turbo 1 and the Later Turbo 2 Works Rally Cars doing a Demo at a Renault racing weekend driven by the winning of the 1980 Monti. The car was at its best on Tarmac and since the French domestic Rally Championship is run on that surface it was the car to beat , whereas the WRC Features sealed and mixed surface event basically the Works team targeted the French Monti and Corsica where the cars had their best results. Some of the works drivers would take bets with each other on whose engine would blow up first .because they used even more boost in the Works cars and some very special fuels that poor push rod 1.4 ltr was stressed to the limit 200 bhp + but some estimate say as hi as 350 bhp far win at all cost Corsia Rally. The Turbo 2 or Maxi turbo I have seen quote in the History of Group B saying their last victory with Car on the I'll fated 1986 rally the cars were said to be near 400 bhp but unofficial some say 500 using trick fuels that were probably far from legal. But that rally was only remembered for the tragic deaths of the Lancia Deltas Driver and Copilot so we may never know what is fiction or fact. I would have been 13 in 1980 there were a couple rare cars at that time in the town where I lived one was a series one Audi Quattro owned by the printer of the local newspaper and the other was a yellow Renault 5 Turbo. works colours replica. I think that was owned by a local car insurance salesman. Who I later got to know better. He had a really nice car collection hidden away in a warehouse in town. Were I late rented a workshop were to my lasting shame I passed on the chance to buy a Lancia Delta HF Integrale EVO 1 the first 16 valve version for 3000 pounds in top condition though it had been standing for a while. I needed the money for my business at the time whereas a Van was needed over a car. Still when you see how much they fetch now though the real silly money is still for the last EVO 2 Cars.
Still getting back to the R5 Turbo always loved the car and Renault never really came up with anything as good again. Yes we had the Clio V6 but it was not the same looks or fun wise.
But the late 70's through to end of Group B From the Stratos to the Delta S4 they just designed pure Race/Rally cars and then sold a few to the public. We will never see that again.
This car and the AC 427 Cobra was my ideal 2 car garage as a young fella. Only seen 1 on the road. Thanks for featuring it.
I saw a white one of these today, just outside Aylesbury! The second one I've seen, I spotted a green one a few years ago in Carmarthen Tesco petrol station.
Thanks for the memories, my uncle had one in Kenya and enjoyed very minute driving it, what a beast.
i had a g plate raider which i wish i had kept forever. loved it
You look like you had a fantastic day filming , with a amazing car .what more could anyone ask for ..,.one less item tick off the bucket list.
One of those wild "homologation special" for Group B rallies. The interior is the most '80s ever!
The series one was before group B, it was a group 4 car.
Such a mad car! Absolutely love it! And my fascination was triggered by “Never say never again” as well 😃
An absolute gem, you manage to review the most interesting cars on YT.
Love the turbo noises, absolutely bonkers car! 🎉😍
It just screams 80s! From the interior to the rear wheel arches that reminds me of OTT shoulder pads!
Love the 5 turbo I didn't realise they had so much horse power.
Like to see you testing a Metro Turbo with only 90 horse power.
Very nostalgic car. I remember these from childhood too. Such a presence, but in a good way. I love them 😍
The world's simply a better place with cars like this in it. What a fabulous thing the 5 Turbo is and MK1 is definitely one to have.
Huge smile on your face when you're driving this!
American here who loves these and other cool cars we didn't get here. Like the channel. Thanks
The R5 Turbo was on my dream list back in the day. I have only ever seen one, and that was parked on a side street one rainy evening in Paris. I still remember the moment. I'm really glad to learn that the driving experience does not disappoint. Too bad that we haven't seen more interactions of such a formula over the years.
i owned back in the day a renault 5 gordini a 79 with the non turbo engine a really fantastic little car the 5 turbo 1 as always a dream car the rally cars were outrageous 400 bhp? good test jack of a brilliant little car .
Cool, super cool.
Mad interior, super mad.
Those Gordini wheels.
Absolutely phenomenal, the looks, the proportions, the details, that interior, just such a cult car!.
And I'm so glad the driving experience didn't disappoint!
I lived opposite a Renault main dealer back in the 80s & they had Gordinis in occasionally plus the 5 Turbos - absolutely lovely things
These were all over Portola Valley California (well 5 or so) because of the gray market import system in the 80s
I remember the mid 90's where you saw these driving on the street. Crazy car :) Greetz from Holland!
Fantastic machine, it’s like being back in the 81 watching Jean Ragnotti hurl it round Monte Carlo!
For a turbo it sounds absolutely bloody beautiful. So much induction. Lovely over run. Always loved these. Lucky man.
Yeah, the growl on those exterior shots are quite spectacular :)
I remember them from back then...and always wondered about the rumors that it would kill me I got the timing of the boost wrong. Your modern perspective shows a much friendlier car...a great vintage toy for francophiles with a touch of madness in their right foot. Many thanks.
I owned one for 2 years (from new). Off boost, an old stock volkswagen (not surprising with its 1.4 liter engine). On boost, a Porsche. I bought based on the car magazine articles, and I was very disappointed.
Just curious but what were you expecting? You have to plan ahead, stir the gears and wait for the hit in the R5T. After all, it was a homologated rally car, not a Corvette. As you said, an R5 Turbo has NO torque below 3800rpm but once on boost, it's an angry box of French hate and way more interesting to drive then a Porsche 911. Porsche made 198,000 G-body 911's compared to just under 5000 R5 Turbos. I don't think I could ever bring myself to sell my R5 Turbo. It embodies everything that makes cars interesting.