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Vanson Pickups Vs Wilkinson
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- Опубликовано: 16 авг 2024
- A comparison between Wilkinson Wilkinson MWHSA "alnico" humbuckers and Vanson '59 Alnico V PAF style humbuckers.
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To my ears and imho the Wilkinson sounds better alround, warm, full harmonic. Vanson a tat bit more sparckle but also thinner. Thanks for the demo... and thank God we all have different ears and perception of sounds!
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Thanks for the heads up on the Vanson pickups. I've had hardware from them. Always good quality. Their locking tuners are superb.
Vanson is a great ebay shop and Ben is a really nice bloke and I'd recommend Vansons to anybody. I've bought lots of stuff from them in the past and will do again in future. I could be wrong but I'm about 95% certain that Vansons own brand is the same as Wilkinsons, it's just unbranded.
Nevertheless, they both produce top quality gear. I've installed Wilkinsons EZ lock tuners on nearly all of my guitars and they stay in tune perfectly. In fact all of the hardware on my own builds is a mixture of Wilkinson and Vanson and all of it is solidly made top quality stuff.
For pickups though I've only tried Wilkinsons alnico 5 Jazz bass ones at the moment and they're fantastic. I will give more of theirs a try as well as Vansons own because I've spent a sh*t load of dough on pickups from Duncans and TV Jones, some of them up to £100 per pickup and I've learned the hard way that you're paying for the name when it comes to gear and guitarists are amongst the most gullible of all consumers. 'You get what you pay for' is the BS I keep hearing.....well no you don't most of the time, you get what you're willing to pay and if you spend a lot of money you automatically think you're getting better, but mostly you don't.
Yeah, I agree. Wilkinson p/ups are usually pretty good. I've had them in several guitars & they are equally as good as the big name brands. In this case I preferred the Vansons though... they had more depth to my ears. The important thing to remember about pickups is that they are pretty basic technology... magnets & wire, so it's not difficult to figure out what's going on. The main variables are DC resistance (ie how much wire is on the bobbin) and magnetic field strength. Both of these are easily measurable.
All the rest of the "hocus pocus" that gets talked about; cloth insulation vs plastic on the connecting wires; "scatter" winding is just marketing BS. I used to work in a test lab for a company which made electrical components involving copper wires being would onto bobbins. Producing a "scatter wind" (something which usually found on expensive pickups) is actually CHEAPER than having a regular, uniform wind, as the winding machine didn't have to be set up to anywhere near the same degree of accuracy. We used to use this technique on low voltage components as it wasn't necessary to have the uniform wind. High voltage coils used to need the uniform wind to avoid arcing between winds. In a low- voltage audio application (like a guitar pickup) that scatter wind technique will just result in random stray capacitance which robs the pickup of some of it's high frequency response... and makes the pickups less consistent.
Love the Wilkinson here. Thanks for the demo.
According to the head man at Harley Benton, they now use Roswell pickups because they ran in to component quality control problems with some builders buying 'Fake' Wilkinsons that were ceramic, whereas the genuine Wilkinson was Alnico 5. The move to Roswell means Harley Benton have more control over component quality at source.
I've installed these very same Wilkinson and Vanson pickups in my own guitars and for other folk, so can recommend both sets. Personally I prefer the quieter, cleaner tones of the Vansons because it suits my leanings towards single coils and mini humbuckers. I only play clean tones. Both are excellent pickups and great bang for the buck. The Vansons tend to be my go-to PAF style humbuckers and they also go well with single coils in a H-S-S guitar like a Yamaha Pacifica. Horses for course. Whatever floats your boat. There is no right or wrong answer, only what sounds best to your ears and what sound you are looking for.
Can't say I was very impressed with the Vansons. They were a lot thinner with less mid tones than the original Wilkinsons. Having said that, the people at Vanson are very helpful !
Vanson pickups are excellent value for the money, I have use their Alnico V P90 Humbucker size pickups on a Subzero Tele, and Vanson Alnico V "Open Top" Humbuckers on a Subzero LP, and have just sent off for their single coil Tele set for my Squire Affinity, arrives in two days. Recommend them.
Love both of them. I installed a set of ceramic Wilkinson on a SG model and they sound more vintage and smooth and clear than the stock alnico V they came with.
Different pickups means a different sound. Not necessarly one better than the other one. Just different. Each of us will prefers one instead the other. Ceramic magnets are way different than alnico II. Think that for rock and blues Vanson can accomplish more fans while for heavier rock and heavier blues Wilkinson can do somehow better. But nothing a good amp setting and/or a pedalboard can fix
Irongear and roswell is the brands I always go for. Vanson is new to me but I am truly impressed!
About Wilkinsons, good if like hot ones, not my bag though...
Good comparison! Vanson pick ups are great, IMO. I have AlNiCo 2s and 5s in a couple of my cheap LP type guitars. Of course, as soon as people see the price, they think they are rubbish.
Thanks. Yeah... there's a lot of bulls&*£t talked about pickups. My background is as an electronics engineer so I tend to treat the justifications for the more expensive p/ups with a heavy does of scepticism. What matters is the amount of copper wire, the type of magnet and the magnetic field strength (which is largely dependent on the type of magnet). Get those things right and you will have a good pickup which doesn't need to cost a hell of a lot.
I was looking on line for a pickup upgrade for my 15 year old grandson on his Epiphone Special L.P. Then I remembered viewing this video a while ago. I think these would be a great upgrade for that guitar. Thank you! BTW I recently heard that the reason Harley Benton switched to Roswell pickups is that the Chinese started counterfeiting the Wilkinson pickups that they were putting in the Harley Benton guitars. So it seems that your ears weren't lying to you.
The Vanson have more sparkle and clarity which is great to my ears.
The M at the start denotes the pickup is ceramic for Wilkinsons. All their pickups have an alnico and ceramic version. The M indicates cheaper ceramic version.
Both Vanson and Wilkinsons are made by Artec, so both good. And cheap.
Can I ask your source for this very interesting information?
A lot of their stuff LOOKS very similar, including stuff made by Artec themselves. Who knows ?
Great stuff - to my ears the Vanson sounded better clean - but the Wilkinson sounded better with the lead tone.
I would like to hear this guitar with some filtertron type pickups, maybe Vanson 'Rockatron' Alnico II Humbuckers .
Thanks sir. I just ordered a Vanson 59 plus scratchplate for my strat. Incredibly good deal.
I know this is an old video but do you remember what type of baseblate the wilkinson had ? Vanson baseplates ? Did you ever find out if the wilkenson's were ceramic or Alnico ? Final question now that you have them out of the guitar would you be willing to post the DC resistance in the description box. Thanks for your time if you got it.
Excellent video . Just what I was hoping to hear as I am looking for new pickups, I prefer the Vansons they seem to be more controllable and tighter.
Love Vanson pickups... REALLY like their version of a P94 (humbucker sized P90)... I cant recommend them highly enough.
can you upload a video using them? i'm thinking about putting them in my epiphone and i have no idea what they sound like. cheers😊
I d really like to get em on my epi dot 335 but i world listen a demo of them be Fote to blindly bay. It world be awesome if u Could male a demo for us or link any other on those p94 vanson s
The Vanson's are definitely warmer in tone, and may just edge it, but there's not enough in it, for me, to warrant changing the pickups. Both sound very good. You are pleased with the Vanson's so that's all that matters John eh ? Lovely guitar and, as always, great playing my friend. Thanks for the comparison video, very enjoyable and interesting.
That vanson 59 is in the Stratocaster. It rocks in the Bridgeposition. The scrstchplate needed some filing. All is gine and good. Problems solved for only 45€. I will buy you a beer when we meet.That was good solid advice
Vanson are made for clean sound ,period , I put a set of the '59's in a Les Paul copy by Brownsville . It is the heaviest Les Paul I ever strapped on and I must say , very well made , the inlay ,and neck and body are well above the Epiphone LP , These Pups are a perfect match , yes they are a little on the quiet side ,but are very well balanced across and up and down the fret board . so, if you want distortion then these are not something for you , but again ,if you use effects then you will love them . I will buy more soon.
Picked up one of these couple of weeks ago after watching your reviews. Totally agree with your comments, swapped out the pickups with a pair of Guitar fetish Dream 180s I had lying around from another project and she sounds great, much more character and warmth. Have been hearing good things about Vansons and will give them ago next time. keep up the good work!
Your are a far better guitarist than I! Having said that the Wilkerson sounded more dynamic to me.
I was a little surprised, I expected the Vansons to sound a lot better than they did in the comparisons.
Also I could imagine that the Wilkerson (suspected ceramic) pickups, with all that added clarity, might punch through a mix better.
I really enjoy your videos! Keep them coming!
No way... Wilkinson ones are far better to my ears! (maybe just a question of personal taste)
Vanson has well-defined clean acoustics, but lacks dirty power.
Wilkinson sounds like a warm blanket, but a great crunch monster. ;)
Also, I didn't hear much difference between them on the clean tones except that the Vanson's weren't as loud. But as you applied more overdrive to the sound the difference became much more audible.
I think the vansons are smoother and not so in your face, more les paul with a warm overtone, also string height can make a difference overall. great demo.
Great video and playing as always John! I had a similar scenario with a mim telecaster that was given to me by a friend. Great guitar, was cream colored but I sanded that off and finished in an oak stain with hand rubbed poly on top. Anyway the pickups were awfully noisy so I started looking at the noiseless type single coils. Fenders were out of the question price wise. Then I saw a video on youtube about a tele with Drangonfire noiseless pickups in it. Read the reviews and the sound samples sounded great so I pulled the trigger. What a difference! Noise gone. Meanwhile what they did with the tone, was give the neck pu a nice warm sound... Kind of jazzy sounding. Both pus together sounds like a tele, just a tad warmer. Bridge is a little shrill but workable with the tone knob. Think I paid $65 for the set. Wish I had known about the Vansons sooner lol. Btw have a HB CST24 coming in paradise flame and the wraparound bridge. I'm on the other side of the pond, so its taking a little bit to get to me. Sure it will be worth the wait!!
Wilkinsons were hotter but the vansons sound pretty good, the iron gear pickups are great value compared to Seymour duncans as well...
Henry Hartley A lot hotter !
Iron gear o some nice ones.
Wow I thought the Vansons at 15:30 or so were super muddy. Maybe just my taste. Believe me in a mix you're going to want something more like the Wilkinson. In the living room the Vanson's might be more pleasing to the ear. Great vid Thanks!!! I Subscribed for sure.
Hm, I guess the Vanson have a lower output which of course causes a lack of tone in crunch settings.
Just my take on it. Yes, the 2 brands were different in their own way. I thought the Wilkinsons sounded fairly classic rock & the overdriven sustain was nice, the cleans not so good. The Vansons have more of a sparkle, especially when clean which I like. Both have their own merits depending on what you are after tone wise. I have a Vanson alnico 2 Rock-a-tron HB in the neck of my telecaster which (I think!) gives a nice jazz-blues tone both clean & overdriven. Many thanks for an interesting review.
There is a lot more to the sound of a pickup than the DC resistance, and to me those pickups don’t sound anything like the Seymour Duncan 59’s!
The Vanson '57 humbuckers with Alnico 2 magnets sound better than the '59 with Alnico 5. They have better tonal balance.
Theres so many strange things for me here.
I was thinking about buying a cheap guitar with mini humbucker and if I wanted affordable replacement pickups the 2 brands I saw were Vanson and Wilkinson and here I find a video comparing those exact brands.
Not only that, but it's on a channel I watch quite a bit.
And you have hair.
Also Vansons shop seem to also sell Wilkinson stuff.
On your thoughts on them sounding ceramic. It's possible. The main guy in charge of Harley Benton stopped using Wilkinson because he couldn't guarantee that some of the factories weren't getting fakes, so you may have a fake.
I actually liked the Wilkinson's just as much as the Vanson.
Thanks for the comparison. Like them both , but prefer the Wilkinson sound
I have the Wilkinson Ceramic PAF pups in three of my guitars. The theory that ceramics are "brittle" is BS. BUT I have heard the MWHSA's are less than "sweet" and that they do have too much upper mid's. Believe me the lower output Wilkinson's are sweet. Ceramics get a bad rap because they are less expensive and often overwound which puts them out of balance. The magnetic field is already stronger than an alnico so they don't benefit from being overpowered. Done right they are beautiful.
You did a great job on the review .
Thanks for that video 👍🏻I bought a set of double whites last night for ma epiphone Les Paul.ah thought they sounded a lot warmer n smoother the wikinson stuff really good but they ones sounded a bit spikey.
I’m really lookin forward tae treating ma wee guitar
Hello! Did you experiment with adjusting the polepieces individually? Also, the position of the screw-slots can affect tone. Have mine all set paralel with the strings. Tone seems to get bit warbly when slots are perpendicular to the strings, most obvious if strings are closer. Btw, I prefered the rich sound of the Wilkinsons... Greetings
Except for on both pickups, I much prefer the Wilkinsons. More full, better highs, more rounded, and definitely more crunch. HOWEVER, when playing on both pickups the Wilkinsons got seriously muddy. They sound great individually, but together not so good. I can't figure that out, but maybe someone with more electronics experience can explain it.
I'm a fairly new viewer to John's channel... It's really bizarre seeing him with hair. I've got to say the Wilkinson sounded a lot fuller and definitely hotter to me, but that's just me. I always like the "temperament" of this channel, everyone can have their own opinions here and it's very rare that there's the toxic debates that go on among the fan base on other channels
Wilkinson's sound warmer and more full and rounded..Vanson's sound good.
Odd results. The only thing to do is buy them and try them for myself. The Vansons are only £18 each.
I have 2 guitars with Wilkinson WVCs. I love them in the neck but I've found with the bridge version there always seems to be a weird harshness or brittleness in the treble. It's something hard to describe but easy to understand if you recognise it.
The Wilkinsons seem to be much better dirty and the Vansons better clean. I guess it depends what you will play more of.
Hello, John!
Really enjoyed this comparison, i own some HBs and have 2 of them set with Vanson 57 Humbuckers, Zebra and Chrome. They’re just great on taking that LP kinda sound. I will take on a HB 35 (335 type) and thought of Vansons 59 for that Cream/Clapton sound. From this comparison, it seems spot on. Whats your take on this? Do they deliver that 335 kinda sound?
Kind regards!
i was wondering… do the vansons sound like the seymour 59?
Hi John . I’m a happy owner of a Yamaha pasifica 112j . I like too play ,Latin America style music . No harsh noises just clean worm sounds. If I decide too change the pickups , what would be your pick?? I’m leaning toward DiMarzio ‘s or , Seymour Duncan but , which ones ??? So many different models. Thanks .
Very difficult to hear the real difference with all the fx being used. Sounds pretty, but it actually covers up the true tones produced.
"All the effects"? You mean a little bit of reverb?
I can hear a lot of reverb + echo + chorus which makes it difficult for me to hear any difference between the actual pickup sounds. As you are making a comparison video, it would be better to record the sound with no effects at all or perhaps just a tad of reverb to create a suitable ambience.
Have a gander at Cory Mura's latest RUclips video, if you have not seen it, where he is talking to the guy behind the Harley Benton guitars. A very interesting interview and how they go about it. Towards the end they discuss the Wilkinson pickups and the fact that they have moved across to Roswell. They really rate Wilkinson but they could not guarantee that they were not getting pirated or just bad pickups masquerading as Wilkinson's. They know that they had some. Roswell were making pickups for some of the higher end manufacturers so by moving across to them they, Thomann have control of this part of the product.
ruclips.net/video/H-Qgkl0x79E/видео.html
Is that modulation of some sort I can hear in those sound samples?if so that was a mistake as it completely alters the tonal characteristics of the pickups
Nice demo John! The Wilkinsons sound a lot more trebley to me too.Were they ceramics? Love the sound of the Vansons mate,take care.
Thanks! I'm not sure if the Wilkinsons are ceramic or not... they sound like it, but they were sold as alnico units from Thomann, a pretty reputable supplier.
Check the magnets. If they're black-grey then they're ceramic.
The Vansons sound good by them selves, but when compared to the Wilkinson the Vansons sound like the have a thin blanket over them.
'Comparison videos' are only as good as someone's interface and monitors/headphones. I hope you remember cassette four tracks and the new luxury of online criticism. Wilkinson hardware-yes. The price of Harley Benton anything-yes. Rizla papers-yes. Born in the early 60's-?
You are talking about some kind of benchmark list. I cant find any out there. Could you give a link?
Vansons sound a bit brighter to me, Wilkinson warmer. Both sound good to me. Choose your poison.
Hi John
I have a 1978 Epiphone Joe Passé in great nick
Imported from the US
Which has a really good action
Which I seldom use
As a project to improve it
Would you recommend changing the pick ups
If so do you offer any experience
Thanks ✌🏼🏴
Pickups are always a thing to consider when upgrading. It depends if the reason you're not playing it much is because you're not happy with how the current pickups sound. Vanson or Iron Gear make fantastic replacement humbuckers for very reasonable prices.
@@JRobsonGuitar hi John
Thanks for your advice
The reason I have not played it is because it’s at my home in Sri Lanka and I travel for work
I don’t have an amplifier
I bought it as an improver elector acoustic
With the plan to upgrade as my jazz chords ability improved
I am over 70 now
But try to play a bit most days
I always liked the sound of jazz archtops
Are the recommended pick ups easy to install
Cheers
Thanks again 🙏
I wish you had autopsied the Wilkinsons to see if they are actually ceramic magnets, or alnico as claimed.
The Vansons sounded a bit warmer/darker, and broke up earlier, from what i could tell on my speaker system, but to be honest... i don't like either set of pickups.
I think i would have for P90s, but then i don't know what your tastes are. Maybe you already have the P90's covered in your arsenal and want something differnt.
If the Vanson's truly do recapture the vibe of true 59 vintage tones... then it's no wonder Gibson moved on... 'cause that sound sucks.
well im a sound engineer my ears are highly tuned ,, im not hearing much difference , yes wilkinson are slighty hotter but just turning down the tone slightly on a amp you would get the same exact sound if thats what you prefer
This is such a simpel solution, that nobody wants or can understand it.
Other simpel solution is to solder a small ten pence capacitor parallel to the pickup, to cut out the hights a bit. This would be a permanent fix, it sounds like a "warmer", more old style pickup.
Vansons were just a bit too dark imo
vanson more balanced frequencies and complex harmonics, narrower frequency range. wilkinson less harmonic and more separation notes and emphasis on acute. much quality price, each one to its style ... thanks the final sound is the sum of all the parts. guitar and its wood, amplifier and speaker type, signal cables. Choose wisely for our music style. and saving money does not need to spend that much money.
the chain breaks the weakest link. Gracias
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Wilkinson.
What about single coils pups.
I have several guitars with wilkinson pickups and one with Seymours and they don't sound any better,if you're guitar is setup properly and you have a good amp wilkinsons are very good pups
The problem was that they WEREN'T Wilkinson pups. The reason HB went to Roswell pups is that there are a LOT of fake Wilkinson pups out there & it seems I got some of this guitar. Oh, and no... No modulation, just a bit of reverb & delay.
.....no reason to spend big $ on Duncan or Lollar HB pickups for a cheap guitar with so many excellent choices available from Asia. I’ve installed careful eBay Selections from Vanson, GFS/Guitar Fetish, Guitar Madness, and others.....always an improvement over the cheap OEMs and never more than about $20 per HB pickup. I would prefer the Vanson HBs for a more warm classic sound.....but the Wilkinson HBs sure gave a better hot & modern sound. The Vanson HB lost note separation on the most overdriven tracks.....and the Wilkinson HBs lacked the warm vintage VOCAL qualities on the clean tracks.
Have you tried the Vanson '57 humbuckers? I'm wondering what difference in tone they have from the '59 set.
I haven't tried those, but the only difference seems to be the magnet - Alnico II as opposed to Alnico V. This would probably make them a little less "hot" in terms of output with a smoother sound. Still a great classic rock p/u though. Slash famously uses SD Alnico Pro II pickups, for example.
Creamier than the '59s, perfect for classic rock and blues. Metal guitarist's may prefer the hotter 59s but for me the 57's are where it's at and the closest to big "G" 57's you will find at this price point.
My 2c for anyone else wondering.
I have just ordered a Harley Benton HB35 and was thinking of upgrading the pickups.
This video has been very informative.
I am looking at Vanson alnico 2's as a want a mellow sounds, more jazzy blues than rock.
Great video
The Wilkinsons sound more articulate to me
Wait, John, mate, YOU HAD HAIR?!? mad.
No contest for me... the Wilkinson's sounded better in every category....the Vanson's sound kinda muted or subdued.
Sorry mate I prefer the wwwwwwwwwwwilkinsons. TheVanson sound like the are too close to the strings.
No worries! Each to their own, I guess. TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTThanks for watching :-)
Me too. Clean, the Wilkinsons have more warmth and character. The Vansons sound rather brittle. But it's the other way around with the crunch sounds!
18:40 you said coil tap you meant coil split?
Mike What My background as an electronics engineer tells me it's the same thing 😀
There's a discussion of the distinction here: jbepickups.com/coil-tapping-vs-coil-splitting/ . The author claims that coil-tapping produces a more accurate 'single coil' sound and, because parts of both coils in the humbucker are working, exhibits much lower noise. If that's true, then the distinction is a valid one. But I defer to your technical training.
Harley Benton swapped Wilkinson for Roswell because they were conned with fake Wilkinsons. Hearing this, I think you got one of the fakes.
Vanson sound quiet
For me Wilkinson sound better by far ... The Vanson lack of a clear sound and seem to be cheesy. With the Vanson there is absolutely no differentiated sound. They sound like pudding to my ears.
Wilson's sound better for me
The Wilkinson sound much better, more depth and warmth.
wilkinson sound more brittle, vanson more rounded
I agree... very disappointed with the Wilkinson p/ups. Always loved them in other guitars I've had them in.
Hi John, I really like your videos and find them very informative. But...how about making your environment a bit nicer? In this video it looks like your are in a laundry room. Your professionalism could be enhanced even more if you took some care about the settings in wich you present yourself, in my humble opinion :-)
I'm sorry, brother. But a Rizla paper? I'm laughing out loud! Is it only Americans who use them to roll joints? I think I read something like that on the interweb.. 😉
Back in my days as a cigarette smoker I used to roll my own smokes. Old Holborn tobacco & licorice flavored Rizlas 😀👍
Boo on the Vanson. They sound pale and thin.
lol, to my ears they both sound crap,very muffled,no clarity,maybe the crap guitar, but hey, whatever floats your boat :)
Talk talk talk...….
Wilkinsons for me ...sorry!