Excellent analysis, you hit the nail on the head Elite. I've been watching NASCAR for over 40 years and I swear the last 10 years has been the worst coverage ever. I miss the days of Ken Squire, Ned Jarret, Bennie Parsons, Chris Economaki, Dale Jarret, and the old Darrell Waltrip and Mike Joy with Larry Mac. Those times NASCAR was treated as a serious competitive sport and not a clown show on wheels. We also need the Speed Channel back, it was great for watching not only NASCAR but other forms of racing as well.
The trouble is it’s not a serious sport anymore. It has turned into a joke. No one could make this junk look good. It will be gone in 10 years or less.
I recently tried watching NASCAR for the first time since probably 2004 or so. It drove me insane how bad the broadcast was. I found an old broadcast from 2001 just to see if it was nostalgia talking but nope, that broadcast was so much better. The shots of the action and the way the sound was mixed really captured the excitement of it. Even the pre-race segments were done in a way that got me pumped up and got me invested in what was about to happen. They simply just don’t care anymore. It’s a sad truth in most industries these days, and even in broadcasting it applies way more than just Fox’s NASCAR coverage. Most people just don’t seem to take pride in their work anymore and it shows.
The attempts at comedy are insulting because it shows that everyone involved in the broadcast think people tune in to watch and listen to THEM, instead of the action on the track. The race is the product, but much like an umpire with a huge ego, the people in the booth become the center of attention. I also agree about that stupid ticker. It's way too big and distracting, and it takes forever to show where everyone is.
Agreed 110%. Like after the race, when we want to hear from 2nd through 5th. Or the guy who's mad because he got wrecked. Nope we get to listen to Mike Joys recap of the race with Clint agreeing like he's his little brother standing next to him. I could care less about his opinion. Let the drivers tell us why they had a problem withanotherdriver, how they made a move work, etc. We have to wait for youtube or someone on twitter to give us the details on what happened.
Well, they kinda are the center of attention. The broadcasters are there to entertain and not only give you the play-by-play but make the race even more interesting and engaging for people watching. That's literally their job. And a lot of times during a long race, there's nothing much happening on track and that's when the broadcasters come in and try to fill the void for better or worse. No different from any other broadcasters for any other kind of sport. There's not always going to be exciting action on track and that's where the announcers come in. If you don't want to listen to the broadcasters, then you have the option to watch the raw satellite feeds and you won't have to deal with any commercials either. Two birds in one stone. As far as the ticker, the slow scroll that was used back in the 2000's was so much worse. It'd take forever for it to cycle through the whole field and know where everybody is and it gave you less information and outdated split times from the lap prior. Now, you get to see 20 cars positions all at once. Yeah, it takes up more of the screen but it gives you so much more information now and you can follow who's coming up through the field and who's running fast just by the ticker alone. Definitely far better than what we had before and has definitely made watching more engaging. I've always preferred FOX over NBC as far as recent years go. NBC's booth just gets annoying very quickly for me, everybody in the booth just talks a million miles an hour especially Letarte, it reminds of watching the WWE where the announcers are yelling and talking fast to constantly keep your attention, it's too much for Nascar though. NBC tries to appease more towards the younger audiences I feel like while FOX is more traditional and does it the old-school way. Gordon was a snoozefest in the booth which was a common complaint when they had him and I think them getting Bowyer was their solution to make the booth more interesting. Say what you want about Bowyer, but he's definitely fitting the role that he was hired to do, replace the void and character that was DW. A color broadcaster and he's definitely adding some color. Best Nascar booth of all-time was NBC I believe in the early 2000's. Allen Bestwick, Wally Dallenbach and Benny Parsons. Also TNT when they picked up Nascar in the summer for a few races back in the day with the same Hall of Fame booth NBC had. That was the best. I get the complaints, there's always going to be people complaining about the broadcasts, but I feel this whole surge of FOX hatred is really exaggerated and blown out of proportion. Once we get NBC back then we'll just get all the people who don't like NBC complaining. Always a lose-lose scenario when it comes to Nascar fans' hyper-criticism. Always finding something to complain about it feels like and right now FOX is just the target of choice.
I've heard you say it many times on your videos. They need to dump those stupid cartoon characters and that damn ticker, I don't even like the font they use on it. My son is 12 years old and he hates the cartoon characters and the ticker as well, that should tell you something.
@@MichaelClark-uw7ex the same in short course racing drivers get green flag drivs for the win and halfway down the race its mandatory pacecar bunching them up and do a restart like the first half of the race dont matter as the other half is the true race for the line.
@@extec101 The first half of a race is to get in position for the seond half. Reshuffling the cars then restarting halfway through makes the first half pointless.
Dude I saw the whopper commercial joke AND THEN IT HAPPENED. They went side by side for liberty mutual and the second commercial hit the field goes into the big one. Was wild lol.
I can understand how they were cringy, but I kind of miss them. Idk the tailgate and party atmosphere kinda worked to build hype for the atmosphere around the race. That being said, I really like the 75th anniversary history commercials
You said everything I was thinking and talking to my friends about. You nailed every aspect of this deal. Great job. You have the pulse of the public. Thank you.
Revisitng this (cause Fox keeps embarrassing themselves), but I watched a comparison between an NBC and Fox broadcast in the past year, and I can tell you it's a lot more on Fox than the crowds themselves. Because when NBC is broadcasting, you can hear the crowd well. Atlanta and Pocono last year it was very audible on the broadcast. Of course NBC does turn up the crowd noise, but crowd noise is still very possible. Fox just never turns up the crowd noise which I absolutely hate. Obviously, I know crowds will never get back to their peak size, but if NBC can do it, then that doesn't excuse Fox.
AGREED. I cant handle how Fox tries to make NASCAR a joke. And btw if I have to hear Clint say "I'M TELLING YA" one more time I'm gonna lose it! Every year I look forward to NBC taking over, it suddenly feels like the adults have taken over. (Mike Joy and Larry Mac are the two things that save it for me) BTW GREAT point on the crowd noise! Not something I consciously realized until you pointed it out, but totally true.
And "UNDERNEATH OF HIM". I mean, it's Nascar so I don't expect the commentators to have perfect grammar, but for the love of god Fox, get Clint a middle school English book
I miss having Dale jr in the booth. Replace the battery in that smoke detector. It kinda did the same thing to your own broadcast that you’re talking about (obviously not nearly as bad) it’s just one small little thing that took my focus away from the topic. It’s an Excellent video. I can tell you put a TON of effort and time into it.
Yeah, I really wanted to watch the video but I couldn't get through the smoke detector. My dogs freak out when they hear that beeping, so I made it about 3 minutes and quit. Too bad, looked like a good video.
One of the biggest problems in Nascar has always been Nepotism. DaleJr wasnt the driver DaleSr was which caused a giant hole in the fanbase. All the women and children loved DaleJr. People that understand racing never did.
The worst part is Mike Joy calling everyone keyboard warriors for having legitimate criticisms. I know people love him and I do as well but he hasn’t been that great the past two seasons to me. He seems distant, bored, and out of touch like he’s just going through the motions. He’s the best thing going on in the booth and yet still lacking. That’s how bad Fox is EDIT: Ha I just now got to the end of the video where you talked about the keyboard warrior thing. I’m glad someone agrees with me
I love rewatching random old races as backround noise. The commentary in those 2001-2008 days had electricity to them. The sport was still surging in popularity in the early 2000s and I wonder if that helped them with production and such. More Hype=Easier to get production money. Then the sport slowed down in the 2010s which can kill the vibe. I LOVE Mike Joy, but it sounds like age has caught up with him or he isn't as enthused with racing anymore. Anyways, great video! P.S. DW was goofy, energetic, and passionate about racing to the bone, which made me love him growing up.
As soon as you switched to talking about commercials, the ads immediately came up. It’s like they predicted exactly when toy was going to say that, and interrupted perfectly.
As an Aussie, this is why it's so hard to follow NASCAR. Because we are spoiled with amazing broadcast coverage for V8 Supercars. And the NASCAR coverage is so bad it's literally unwatchable. I almost spat out my Canadian Club when I first saw those childish cartoon avatars of the drivers.
Clint Bowyer would make a great pre-race hype man or a grid walk guy. Mike Joy would be a good advisory or HQ commentary guy. My ideal booth is Adam Alexander, Jamie McMurray, and Larry Mac. But we've got Harvick which shouldn't be bad either.
Adam Alexander isn't good imo. I know it's cliche but my ideal lesd would still be Allen Bestwick. Bestwick, Harvick, and Jamie Mac would be my booth if I could chose.
@@TheJudoJokeryeah I’m with you. Adam Alexander is really annoying and a major kool-aid drinker. He never has anything of value to say. He feels like a parody of a broadcaster.
The commercials are such a turn off to watching the broadcast full stop. I watch a wide spread of motorsport, and it's so frustrating to go from F1 on Sunday morning which has ZERO commercials from the time the pre-race interviews begin until the PODIUM CELEBRATION (between 2 and 4 hours of no commercials breaks whatsoever, even for red flags, etc) ... to watching Nascar right afterwards which throws commercials every time there is more than 10 laps of green flag racing. If I wanted to just watch commercials all day I would go sit on the floor of the TV section in a Best Buy!!!
NASCAR isn't the only sport that has cartoon characters, the NFL players were also shown as cartoon characters during this year's Super Bowl. Fox is hurting the growth of NASCAR and any potential viewers won't stick around because of the way FOX covers like you explained. Besides console gaming problems, FOX sports coverage is one of the reasons why ratings and viewership is going down. NASCAR needs to figure something out for next media deal or else, growth will be stunned for next decade thanks to FOX and F1 will be the new king of Motorsports here in North America.
The cartoon might work better for the nfl, I don't watch pro football. But it makes these drivers look ridiculous. You know hardly any of them are half that ripped, they just need to stop. Also the pedos running the cameras and in the production truck need to stop with showing the kids at EVERY chance they have, we get it people bring their kids to the race. I bring my 5 year old, but what they do is just creepy.
@@jeffreyroth7517 Oh no, all of the players look terrible with that stupid filter. It's just how less messed up one is compared to the other. When I saw that this was happening with NASCAR, I had a mental whiplash!
I agree with most of your points, although I do like the side scoreboard. It could be cleaned up a bit, but I think it's WAY easier to follow than the old scrolling ticker, which was very dated and difficult to follow since it usually scrolled too fast, updated too slow, the updates couldn't be seen most of the time, and it had very little relevant information, especially for new fans. Now it's arranged like a video game scoreboard, which a lot of viewers, young viewers especially, are already familiar with. It would be even less of a problem if they framed each shot properly and made it so the scoreboard doesn't obscure what's happening on track. Also, please change the battery in your smoke alarm.
Your something else bro. I was laughing at you so hard listening to you going off on fox's "BOOTH BOYS" I hope fox sees this video. And not only that, but that fox would finally get the clue that it needed to find out why RATINGS are sooo loooow. Alan bostwick is one of my favorite booth announcers. He even does the play by play extremely well. And shit, he's been around for years...peace bro.
7:55 you nailed that point. Sure, one might even argue they show "less" commercials...but you know how many of their commercials *I'm* watching? None! Because I watch my racing on RUclips, or record it so I can skip the commercials. Maybe they should go to the same style as the golf events and do commercials as a split-screen (but with the audio from the commercial) so we can still see the action going on, just in case something interesting happens...
My dude, I have to agree with you 100%. Fox got so sloppy since the early 2000's. I have a whole list of complaints and things that I would love to see come back and ways to get it fixed. Hopefully we can have a conversation regarding it. Look forward to hearing from you.
I hated that gopher cartoon they had going for a while to hype the “gopher cam” that supposedly popped out of the track to get ground level shots. They had cartoons, merch and graphics all for some video hardware that has nothing to do with gofers
I COULDN'T AGREE MORE!! WTF, the commercial breaks have chased me away. I either wait and watch the final 20 laps, or I have to DVR it. DVR is a pain in the ass because I'm fast forwarding every few laps, it ruins the race. Why can F1 put on an entire race without a single break or side by side. Side by side is like sex with a rubber, you get the idea of what's going on but it's NOT the same. F1 has sponsors all over the grid, who cares, you don't miss the race. And NASCAR allows Fox and NBC and FS1 to run ads on the next frigging race, or how cool NASCAR is that you should watch. Go show that shit during Punky Brewster re runs and try to pick up new fans instead of annoying your base. I could give a rip what the next race is, I'm here, show me this race!! In my 45 years as a NASCAR fan I never thought that they would push me away. And yes, Crank It Up should be 100% horsepower, engine sounds, crowd sounds, not flipping spotters! Who makes these decisions?! Ass-hats! And I will say this about NBC, go listen to a Fox race and then listen to an NBC race, the cars on NBC sound like your listening to what they hear in the booth, like the track audio is an after thought. I don't think they'll fix it. One last thing. They know they're getting heat for all of the ads, so now they say it's the last break, or the last sided by side. But they lie. They have a big wreck after saying that and instead of listening to all of the talent they have talk about the race, they break after they said we'd seen the last break. I'm so glad to see the post, maybe just maybe NASCAR will see it and tell the networks ENOUGH!! Dale Jr said on his podcast "we're missing shit"!!! I recommend that NASCAR and the networks watch an F1 race and TRY to emulate that. It is a wonderful 3 hours and that don't tell you how cool F1 is in a commercial because there aren't ANY. Covid was almost a death blow to NASCAR, more gimmicks won't fix it. Like the coliseum race, it's way to small a track so stop it. And it was overshadowed by being forced to listen to a has been rap concert. Don't get me started on Bristol dirt, fuck that. They've ruined a Bristol race. I know, lets ice down Richmond and have an ice race. Dumb asses...
Great video. Wish Bestwick would be in the Fox booth. Well actually, for Fox to go away altogether. And to have Bestwick with whatever channel picks up the first half of the season
bestwick was great on the nbc/tnt package in the early 2000's even nbc dropped the ball kinda putting him as pit reporter but bill weber wasn't bad in the booth. it worked till the end of their package. didnt hear him much on the abc/espn revival after 2007. I wasn't crazy about the rebirth of their nascar coverage. 80's and 90's was great with Jenkins, BP and Ned Jarret calling the races
Mike Joy told a BIDDER at Barrett-Jackson “pardon me, I’m broadcasting”. Yesterday Chris Meyers at the beginning of the broadcast, he pulled a Biden and read the cue card exacrly as written. He said something like, greetings from “the location” 🤦♂️
Thank you for doing this. It needed to be said. More then ever! The days of 90s coverage into early 2000s were the best. But it's nothing but a joke, now. We don't even get to see them celebrate in victory lane like it's suppose to be! Just total frusteration! I need to add that I grew up in the 80s of Nascar Racing. I was so use to CBS/TBS coverage with Ken Squire, Neil Bonnet, and Ned Jarrett and then with ESPN/ABC's coverage with Bob Jenkins, Benny Parson, Ned, Dr Jerry Punch & John Kernan that I took them all granted! To me, those two groups were the pinnacle of broadcasters and pit reporters that knew how to call the shots professionally without sounding obnoxiously annoying. I still go back and watch some of those old races and there is clearly so much more excitement and on the spot commentating back then, that these guys now need to take a page from that old book!
That's sooo true... Now we get them doing burnouts and the interview right in on the track vs back then a victory lane celebration... Man times have changed for the worse😢
One thing you didn't mention that has become a problem is that they only have 2 pit reporters (outside of the 500). I think that has hurt the broadcast in a massive way as well. Back in 2001, they had 5 pit road reporters and that made a massive difference in relaying messages to the booth. I feel like you need to have 3 at least, but 4 would be more optimal.
The thing with Bowyer is he had that level of excitement in 2021 with Gordon. Sure it was a bit on the hokey side, but it showed some promise in terms of energy and if refined he could be a solid fill in for DW. I have no idea if they took him back in 2022 and asked him to dial it back cause it's such a drastic change and it doesn't sound bored, it sounds like he's being cautious. He did good with Gordon, but he's got almost nothing to show with Joy and the rotating broadcasters. Harvick and him do mesh decently however, so I would give him 2023 and if nothing's still materializing then it's time to relegate him to the studio or as a reporter on pit road (Bowyer is my favorite driver, so you can imagine my dejection that he hasn't panned out) Outside that yeah, the cartoons trivialize the talent, the jabs at "keyboard warriors" are pompous, and the commercials are dreadful. I get that NASCAR's advertisements have dropped significantly, but the times you see an ad repeat twice in a row is alarming. I still remember in 2021 this ad for a vehicle that starts with "Why am I so calm right now" repeating THREE. FUCKING. TIMES in a row for the 500. Forget Coca Cola Zero Sugar, forget BUSCHHHHHH, forget Geico, there is no reason an ad reel should be this botched. The shameful thing is that big name companies have offered to strike a streaming deal like Amazon and there's this anxiety that older demographics won't watch. Yes there may be a slight drop, but it's not like the boomers don't have kids that will happily help set up a stream for them and the opportunity for growth is tremendous given F1's surge recently Great breakdown, hope to see more
Clint is fine stop acting like hes changed. Clint and Harvick will be a borefest!!!!! Harvick is incredibly boring, no sense of humor. They need Kurt Bush with Clint, they had chemistry and Kurt is surprisingly candid, colorful and has a sense of humor.
Nascar in general has become a total joke. The stages need to go, and they need to go back to flag-to-flag racing. That would be like if a football game resets the score to 0-0 after each quarter. And no yellow flag wins, that is as bad as football ending in a tie or a boxing match ending in a draw. It should be a five-lap shootout if a caution comes out with less than five laps left. And McReynolds is just plain annoying.
Your commentary is excellent and reflects the opinions of all of the NASCAR fans that I know. You have earned my subscription. Thanks for your efforts.
As someone who grew up loving wrestling, I learned one big thing: everyone hates the announcers if the show sucks. If the wrasslin is good and people like the stories, the announcers are great. Nobody wants to hear someone tell them they’re watching the greatest show in history if they’ve been hating it. Idon’t think the announcers are really a problem, with the exception of Gordon who was just unfathomably bad. You hate the announcers because they’re selling a product that stinks. You can change all of them and it’s not going to fix anything unless the show itself gets better. It’s the same reason the commercials are so annoying. The product sucks so bad and the networks got taken to the cleaners so bad on the last tv deal that they have to do desperate and shitty things to sell advertising and salvage their investment. So instead of caution flag commercials you gotta have commercials during the action so people will be forced to watch them. If the audience wasn’t so pathetic and they were doing better, they could ease up on a lot of the ads and still make money. Fox probably lost 9 figures on this tv contract, so they don’t have a choice on ads.
If you want to see a great broadcast, look at a race in the early 90's on ESPN. Bob Jenkins, Ned Jarrett, and Benny Parsons were the Mount Rushmore of race broadcasters. I think Fox has paid attention on some things - they even broke out of a commercial for a wreck last weekend. But you nailed most of the problems they have. The directors need to calm down and stick with the shot longer, especially the in-car shots - let us see an entire lap at least. Stop jump-cutting every 8 seconds. The ticker and the out of sync audio are my other biggest peeves. And here's hoping that Harvick is in the booth next year. He's been great on Saturdays when he's done it. I've always muted the commercials, but this year I've been leaving it muted even when they come back.
I agree 100%. I had been watching Nascar since the 70's and those three announcers were the pinnacle. Now I don't even bother watching anymore. I'd rather watch F1 now and guess what, no Commercials. Just racing.
great points man, and absolutely hilarious delivery by the way. I'll be keeping an eye out for more of your videos. You hit the nail on the head with the timeliness of commercial breaks. I don't even care if there's a commercial break. it's an excuse to take a bathroom break and grab another beer. However, the reason we're watching and you're network is getting eyes on the screen is for a car race, so Fox needs to miss crucial points in the action. More and more people will turn to searching for streams and network ratings will suffer if they can't realize this. When F1TV was rolled out, i was happy to hand over my money because it provided a commercial-free experience I wanted. These networks will fail at their ratings goals if they don't understands the wants of the viewers and when Nascar rolls out its own streaming service, people will flock away from Fox and never look back.
Really good video overall. I loved it! Only thing is the transition to topics. It shouldn't be a 10 second card. Bump it down to 5 seconds. Otherwise this was extremely well done and thought out. ❤
Thanks for this video. So perfectly said. They could just air the race and use MRN for Play-by-Play coverage at this point. At least the radio broadcast has to describe what is happening on the track in real time. They have been turning Nascar into a combination of the WWE and Monster Jam for nearly the past decade. It's become more about the celebrities and children attending each race, than the actual fans that continue funding this circus. We all know none of the children or celebrities are ever paying for their tickets or their merchandise. The whole interview at the start finish line immediately after their burnout is stupid and a complete pointless waste of time. It totally discredits the victory lane celebration importance. Trophies no longer even matter. Plus, there's absolutely no scruples about what content gets aired. Whenever there is an altercation between drivers, they always shove a camera or two or three even a drone right into the middle of it totally uncensored. We already know that nobody wants to be the next viral meme on social media. There's absolutely no code of conduct whatsoever to be seen. Nascar just keeps raising fines when they pick and choose who will be fined. They do this knowing that this will eventually bankrupt some teams completely out of the sport altogether. They have made disobeying authority totally acceptable behavior with Bubba Wallace's and Josh Williams behaviors. Hell, Kyle Larson was immediately suspended 6 months for saying nigga during game of iRacing. I support the use of such a word nor am I implying Kyle Larson shouldn't have been reprimanded for it either. Then he was fired and stripped of all sponsorship but absolutely None of this happened at a sanctioned Nascar event. But it's 100% acceptable for another driver to intentionally wreck another driver then exit their car on a hot track and disobey Nascar officials then assault another driver on live television and because of the difference of skin color, one driver wasn't able to defend themselves at all. All of this was immediately celebrated and used for promotion of ticket sales for Las Vegas Speedway. Bubba Wallace should have been immediately suspended the remainder of the season and Josh Williams wouldn't have got his car back until he understood the pecking order of who is in charge and what respect is What's the point of having all these people in white Nascar fire suites that say Official on the front and back of them? If drivers are allowed to totally ignore their instructions and also allowed to physically put their hands on them as well. There are no longer any limitations on a driver's behavior during a race. They continuously call each other names and curse on live television now it's encouraged for them to wreck each other intentionally and physically assault each other as well. We have grown men throwing temper tantrums on live television asking to be replaced. this is the content we are feeding to our children week after week.
Showing children is lame, makes NASCAR look like a dumb sport when it's not, I like FOX's commentators and the fact they continue to cover the race on the same network no matter what.
Their camera angles aren't always synced too. Sometimes the delays between cameras are a second or more and it's very noticeable when switching cameras.
As for the crowd noise, first you need to have crowds. The stands were nearly empty for the truck race saturday, and they were not a whole lot better for the cup race sunday at Bristol. I do notice that it seems they go out of their way and are careful about showing how empty the stands are, could explain a lot of the weird camera angle stuff. Yes, the production sucks, but these days so does the product.
Bro is preaching. I been complaining about getting rid of Clint Bowyer. This is a professional sport and he treats it like it's comedy central. He's the joke.
One reason for the lack of crowd noise is the lack of a crowd.... They cut the stands down to force everyone into a smaller area so it isn't as obvious that ticket sales are about 30% of the early 90's.
I think the races start too late and the pre-race is too long. I miss the days when the green flag was waving by 1:30. Now it's damn near 4pm by the time they fire up the frickin engines!
It blows my mind how hard fox has fallen, although to their credit, COTA and Richmond have so far been the best broadcasts they've given us in over a year, I think they're finally seeing the negatives and are working on it, albeit at a snails pace. I'm just glad NBC picks up most of the slack Fox left behind, they're incredible with the crowd noise, camera shots, commentary, storylines, etc! I hope Fox has a full turnaround once the next TV deal comes around, that may be a huge influence on them.
Been a NASCAR fan since 1978, when Pops took me to my 1st race at Talladega. I agree with everything you said in your video, 100%!!!!! I also Subscribed to your channel. T. Y. For sharing my POVs
mike joy is an old school traditionalst kind of guy deep down. So I think the stage racing and the constantly changing points systems and stuff like that slowly ate away at his passion for calling NASCAR to the point that hes become a grumpy old man. Honestly i cant blame him. I was hooked on NASCAR from the early 00s to about 2014 and the same thing has been happening to me in the last decade.
Every time I try to watch a NASCAR the stage racing ruins it. Us older fans spent years getting used to races from most series having a certain rhythm but also knowing a caution could change things in an instant. An unusually long green flag run would get you more and more interested because you start waiting and anticipating for that yellow to come out...amd sometimes it won't. Planned cautions just ruin the whole vibe.
FOX needs a damm post race show. On Fox during the Nascar season as soon as the race ends, they run to quickly interview the winner before the guy even can get out the car. Then maybe a few more drivers race reactions but then nothing. 5 hours and Zero aftershow. NBC does the after show but it's behind a pay wall peacock. I refuse to pay for MSM crap. Peacock should be free for live TV, like sports. Why is Nascar losing fans, because they take us diehard fans for granted.
My apologies. I'm trying to look into that issue because I been getting complaints about that for awhile. I changed the batteries recently and people still hear it so idk what's going on.
@@Eliteprecision29 The smoke detector may have expired. If it’s not a hardwired smoke detector, it’s easy to replace it with another battery model. Check it out ASAP because it could be devastating if it is inoperative.
This video is great and pretty much nails it. I love going back and watching old races. It's amazing how much better the production quality was. I specifically remember during an older daytona/talladega race (can't remember which one) as fox was going to break, Mike Joy said "if a wreck breaks out, we'll break in" Those days are long gone my friend :( Edit: only thing I disagree with is getting Mike joy out of the booth. In my opinion he's being dragged down by trash coworkers. He does mess up more these days, but I'd still take his analysis with better commentators along side him
Not sure I’ve found a video that I agreed with as much as this video, great video all around. Adam Alexander, Jamie Mac, and Harvick should be the cup booth and Jamie little needs to go back to pit road also. Only suggestion is change the batteries in your smoke detector
The best years for me was the late '80s to 2000 when ESPN/ABC covered most of the races. Bob Jenkins, BP, Ned, Dr. Jerry Punch, Bob Dilner, and Matt Yokum.
It’s a tough situation, Fox has fallen off the cliff with every point you’ve made being very valid, and NBC seems to demand the guys yell to convey excitement. Not only are the guys hollering on NBC, but the mix has them turned up, it’s hard to be a NASCAR fan right now.
The cut back in during a wreck while on commercial needs to come back. What if I'm grabbing a beer, checking the grill? I used to run back to the TV in those moments. We've had as many commercials back in the day tbh but the action came first. Now it feels like the commercials come first.
I miss commercials with NASCAR drivers where it's implied that they drive their race cars to the grocery store and live in their fire suits. Also, they fire Tony Stewart off commentary and keep Clint Bowyer. I can't even.
BRO!! I DIED When you played the start of the 500 THEN COMMERICIAL! You hit it right on the head. Broadcast has gone to shit.. Literally the whole race is a commercial...
I agree 100% with every point you make. They need to offer a streaming service with no commercials ( I will pay). Fox is atrocious. I went back and watched old races on fox during the off-season because I miss it
My boy that smoke detector battery crying for help.
Honestly thought was me for a good bit.
Yeah, you're freaking out my dog, dude.
Stupid a** comment
lol I was looking around my house wondering where that was coming from. 🤥
I paused it every time to see if it was mine lol
Excellent analysis, you hit the nail on the head Elite. I've been watching NASCAR for over 40 years and I swear the last 10 years has been the worst coverage ever. I miss the days of Ken Squire, Ned Jarret, Bennie Parsons, Chris Economaki, Dale Jarret, and the old Darrell Waltrip and Mike Joy with Larry Mac. Those times NASCAR was treated as a serious competitive sport and not a clown show on wheels. We also need the Speed Channel back, it was great for watching not only NASCAR but other forms of racing as well.
Absolutely brother...couldn't agree more! What a bunch of clowns!!!
And Dr. Jerry Punch. who actually used in medical training several times while covering a race.
The trouble is it’s not a serious sport anymore. It has turned into a joke. No one could make this junk look good. It will be gone in 10 years or less.
speed channel was too beautiful for this world
FOX treats the broadcast like a Sunday drive chit chat. Indy and F1 commentators are so into the racing and it makes me more engaged.
IMSA and Trans Am racing as well🔥💪🏾👍🏾👷🏾♂️
Crofty is amazing "LIGHTS OUT AND AWAY WE GO" gets me pumped up every race
the Indy booth is so good. Leigh Diffey always brings some good energy, and it's so much better with James Hinchcliffe there now instead of Paul Tracy
Great point. Other racing series commentate like their races really matter. Nascar on FOX acts like their own races don't even matter.
Well F1 has to make it more engaging or otherwise the viewers just blank out or tune out and remain bored.
I recently tried watching NASCAR for the first time since probably 2004 or so. It drove me insane how bad the broadcast was. I found an old broadcast from 2001 just to see if it was nostalgia talking but nope, that broadcast was so much better. The shots of the action and the way the sound was mixed really captured the excitement of it. Even the pre-race segments were done in a way that got me pumped up and got me invested in what was about to happen. They simply just don’t care anymore. It’s a sad truth in most industries these days, and even in broadcasting it applies way more than just Fox’s NASCAR coverage. Most people just don’t seem to take pride in their work anymore and it shows.
NASCAR has been unwatchable for at least a decade. My new favorite is stadium super trucks.
I do watch those old races too, most of them I missed due to working
I miss Speed channel. The glory days of Nascar.
I was super pissed when they got rid of speed for fs1 im like wtf i mean they got motor trend but no where near what speed was like
Absolute tragedy.
And old school ESPN with Benny Parsons,Ned Jarrett, Dr Jerry Punch, etc
@@irvan36mm yessssssss...
nowadays if it doesn't end in "ball", ESPN couldn't give a phukk.
things change
It drives me nuts going from F1 to Nascar. F1 has overall good production, good commentary and zero commercials during the entire race.
The attempts at comedy are insulting because it shows that everyone involved in the broadcast think people tune in to watch and listen to THEM, instead of the action on the track.
The race is the product, but much like an umpire with a huge ego, the people in the booth become the center of attention.
I also agree about that stupid ticker. It's way too big and distracting, and it takes forever to show where everyone is.
Agreed 110%. Like after the race, when we want to hear from 2nd through 5th. Or the guy who's mad because he got wrecked. Nope we get to listen to Mike Joys recap of the race with Clint agreeing like he's his little brother standing next to him. I could care less about his opinion. Let the drivers tell us why they had a problem withanotherdriver, how they made a move work, etc. We have to wait for youtube or someone on twitter to give us the details on what happened.
Well, they kinda are the center of attention. The broadcasters are there to entertain and not only give you the play-by-play but make the race even more interesting and engaging for people watching. That's literally their job. And a lot of times during a long race, there's nothing much happening on track and that's when the broadcasters come in and try to fill the void for better or worse. No different from any other broadcasters for any other kind of sport. There's not always going to be exciting action on track and that's where the announcers come in.
If you don't want to listen to the broadcasters, then you have the option to watch the raw satellite feeds and you won't have to deal with any commercials either. Two birds in one stone.
As far as the ticker, the slow scroll that was used back in the 2000's was so much worse. It'd take forever for it to cycle through the whole field and know where everybody is and it gave you less information and outdated split times from the lap prior. Now, you get to see 20 cars positions all at once. Yeah, it takes up more of the screen but it gives you so much more information now and you can follow who's coming up through the field and who's running fast just by the ticker alone. Definitely far better than what we had before and has definitely made watching more engaging.
I've always preferred FOX over NBC as far as recent years go. NBC's booth just gets annoying very quickly for me, everybody in the booth just talks a million miles an hour especially Letarte, it reminds of watching the WWE where the announcers are yelling and talking fast to constantly keep your attention, it's too much for Nascar though. NBC tries to appease more towards the younger audiences I feel like while FOX is more traditional and does it the old-school way. Gordon was a snoozefest in the booth which was a common complaint when they had him and I think them getting Bowyer was their solution to make the booth more interesting. Say what you want about Bowyer, but he's definitely fitting the role that he was hired to do, replace the void and character that was DW. A color broadcaster and he's definitely adding some color.
Best Nascar booth of all-time was NBC I believe in the early 2000's. Allen Bestwick, Wally Dallenbach and Benny Parsons. Also TNT when they picked up Nascar in the summer for a few races back in the day with the same Hall of Fame booth NBC had. That was the best.
I get the complaints, there's always going to be people complaining about the broadcasts, but I feel this whole surge of FOX hatred is really exaggerated and blown out of proportion. Once we get NBC back then we'll just get all the people who don't like NBC complaining. Always a lose-lose scenario when it comes to Nascar fans' hyper-criticism. Always finding something to complain about it feels like and right now FOX is just the target of choice.
So stop watching it younpussies
@@trainofthough0242 No.
I've heard you say it many times on your videos. They need to dump those stupid cartoon characters and that damn ticker, I don't even like the font they use on it. My son is 12 years old and he hates the cartoon characters and the ticker as well, that should tell you something.
I think the biggest turning point was when Darrell Waltrip left the booth
Stage racing, its the worst idea ever.
Its boring and pointless, the TV coverage reflects that.
@@MichaelClark-uw7ex the same in short course racing drivers get green flag drivs for the win and halfway down the race its mandatory pacecar bunching them up and do a restart like the first half of the race dont matter as the other half is the true race for the line.
@@extec101 The first half of a race is to get in position for the seond half.
Reshuffling the cars then restarting halfway through makes the first half pointless.
Daytona Day commercials were so trash
Dude I saw the whopper commercial joke AND THEN IT HAPPENED. They went side by side for liberty mutual and the second commercial hit the field goes into the big one. Was wild lol.
I can understand how they were cringy, but I kind of miss them. Idk the tailgate and party atmosphere kinda worked to build hype for the atmosphere around the race. That being said, I really like the 75th anniversary history commercials
Kinda like the NFL souperbowl halftime show ,,and comercials
FOX Needs To Stop Showing Kids In The Crowd. It's Irritating!
And disturbing 😱😳
@nancyhodges444 And Annoying And Repetitive.
NBC Needs To Seriously Broadcast The ENTIRE NASCAR Cup Series Season. Rather Than FOX.
@@Jose-Gomez Or TNT.
You said everything I was thinking and talking to my friends about. You nailed every aspect of this deal. Great job. You have the pulse of the public. Thank you.
Bringing the crowd noise back to nascar broadcasts starts with bringing the crowd back.
Revisitng this (cause Fox keeps embarrassing themselves), but I watched a comparison between an NBC and Fox broadcast in the past year, and I can tell you it's a lot more on Fox than the crowds themselves. Because when NBC is broadcasting, you can hear the crowd well. Atlanta and Pocono last year it was very audible on the broadcast. Of course NBC does turn up the crowd noise, but crowd noise is still very possible.
Fox just never turns up the crowd noise which I absolutely hate. Obviously, I know crowds will never get back to their peak size, but if NBC can do it, then that doesn't excuse Fox.
That coke zero commercial that plays constantly has made me swear to never buy a coke again
AGREED. I cant handle how Fox tries to make NASCAR a joke.
And btw if I have to hear Clint say "I'M TELLING YA" one more time I'm gonna lose it!
Every year I look forward to NBC taking over, it suddenly feels like the adults have taken over.
(Mike Joy and Larry Mac are the two things that save it for me)
BTW GREAT point on the crowd noise! Not something I consciously realized until you pointed it out, but totally true.
And "Didn't see that comin." 😑
And "UNDERNEATH OF HIM". I mean, it's Nascar so I don't expect the commentators to have perfect grammar, but for the love of god Fox, get Clint a middle school English book
Dude you absolutely nailed every single piece of this. Like 100%.
I have always loved the way Alen Bestwick called the races
I miss having Dale jr in the booth.
Replace the battery in that smoke detector. It kinda did the same thing to your own broadcast that you’re talking about (obviously not nearly as bad) it’s just one small little thing that took my focus away from the topic. It’s an Excellent video. I can tell you put a TON of effort and time into it.
I was going room to room in my house checking the smoke detectors while this video was playing through my home entertainment system.
Yeah, I really wanted to watch the video but I couldn't get through the smoke detector. My dogs freak out when they hear that beeping, so I made it about 3 minutes and quit.
Too bad, looked like a good video.
@@salty_flightdeck_cpo 🤣🤣🤣 those smoke detectors are hard to detect at first.
One of the biggest problems in Nascar has always been Nepotism. DaleJr wasnt the driver DaleSr was which caused a giant hole in the fanbase. All the women and children loved DaleJr. People that understand racing never did.
The worst part is Mike Joy calling everyone keyboard warriors for having legitimate criticisms. I know people love him and I do as well but he hasn’t been that great the past two seasons to me. He seems distant, bored, and out of touch like he’s just going through the motions. He’s the best thing going on in the booth and yet still lacking. That’s how bad Fox is
EDIT: Ha I just now got to the end of the video where you talked about the keyboard warrior thing. I’m glad someone agrees with me
I got up twice to check my smoke detector battery. 😂
😂 same
I love rewatching random old races as backround noise. The commentary in those 2001-2008 days had electricity to them. The sport was still surging in popularity in the early 2000s and I wonder if that helped them with production and such.
More Hype=Easier to get production money. Then the sport slowed down in the 2010s which can kill the vibe. I LOVE Mike Joy, but it sounds like age has caught up with him or he isn't as enthused with racing anymore. Anyways, great video!
P.S. DW was goofy, energetic, and passionate about racing to the bone, which made me love him growing up.
Finally, people talk so bad about Darrell Waltrip, sure he is corny but he's enthusiastic and truly loves the sport and gets caught up in the moment.
You've done some homework! Good production! Good points and you're expressing what a lot of folks have been saying.
F1 broadcasters too frooty tooty for me---too much silly giggling and self grandizing---honestly---they suck!
As soon as you switched to talking about commercials, the ads immediately came up. It’s like they predicted exactly when toy was going to say that, and interrupted perfectly.
Some algorithm probably hears the word “commercials” automatically
I did get goosebumps when you dropped the crowd noise example... Great points man. I have only watched highlights this season. I don't have Fox. lol
FOX Needs To Stop Showing Kids In The Crowd.
You have hit the proverbial nail on the head like I do not know what. Great job!
Speed channel was always the best! Was a dark day when the went away.
Fox does have lots of problems, and flaws I do think the Daytona Day skits were the beginning of fans really getting mad at Fox.
As an Aussie, this is why it's so hard to follow NASCAR.
Because we are spoiled with amazing broadcast coverage for V8 Supercars. And the NASCAR coverage is so bad it's literally unwatchable. I almost spat out my Canadian Club when I first saw those childish cartoon avatars of the drivers.
Clint Bowyer would make a great pre-race hype man or a grid walk guy. Mike Joy would be a good advisory or HQ commentary guy. My ideal booth is Adam Alexander, Jamie McMurray, and Larry Mac. But we've got Harvick which shouldn't be bad either.
Joy could move into a advisory or hq role. they did that with Ken Squier during speedweeks after Nascar's transition from cbs to fox
Adam Alexander isn't good imo. I know it's cliche but my ideal lesd would still be Allen Bestwick. Bestwick, Harvick, and Jamie Mac would be my booth if I could chose.
I wish they would end the pre-race hype and get rid of Clint and Michael. They were bad drivers and worse as TV personalities.
@@TheJudoJokeryeah I’m with you. Adam Alexander is really annoying and a major kool-aid drinker. He never has anything of value to say. He feels like a parody of a broadcaster.
Jamie started acting a little sus last race.
The commercials are such a turn off to watching the broadcast full stop. I watch a wide spread of motorsport, and it's so frustrating to go from F1 on Sunday morning which has ZERO commercials from the time the pre-race interviews begin until the PODIUM CELEBRATION (between 2 and 4 hours of no commercials breaks whatsoever, even for red flags, etc) ... to watching Nascar right afterwards which throws commercials every time there is more than 10 laps of green flag racing. If I wanted to just watch commercials all day I would go sit on the floor of the TV section in a Best Buy!!!
NASCAR isn't the only sport that has cartoon characters, the NFL players were also shown as cartoon characters during this year's Super Bowl. Fox is hurting the growth of NASCAR and any potential viewers won't stick around because of the way FOX covers like you explained. Besides console gaming problems, FOX sports coverage is one of the reasons why ratings and viewership is going down. NASCAR needs to figure something out for next media deal or else, growth will be stunned for next decade thanks to FOX and F1 will be the new king of Motorsports here in North America.
the maFIA has better officiating than the NASCAR officials
The cartoon might work better for the nfl, I don't watch pro football. But it makes these drivers look ridiculous. You know hardly any of them are half that ripped, they just need to stop. Also the pedos running the cameras and in the production truck need to stop with showing the kids at EVERY chance they have, we get it people bring their kids to the race. I bring my 5 year old, but what they do is just creepy.
nfl they do that on every touchdown its strange I only watch fox if the jets have a game on there against a nfc opponent or else I watch it on cbs
the growth of nascar? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
@@jeffreyroth7517 Oh no, all of the players look terrible with that stupid filter. It's just how less messed up one is compared to the other. When I saw that this was happening with NASCAR, I had a mental whiplash!
I agree with most of your points, although I do like the side scoreboard. It could be cleaned up a bit, but I think it's WAY easier to follow than the old scrolling ticker, which was very dated and difficult to follow since it usually scrolled too fast, updated too slow, the updates couldn't be seen most of the time, and it had very little relevant information, especially for new fans. Now it's arranged like a video game scoreboard, which a lot of viewers, young viewers especially, are already familiar with. It would be even less of a problem if they framed each shot properly and made it so the scoreboard doesn't obscure what's happening on track.
Also, please change the battery in your smoke alarm.
Your something else bro. I was laughing at you so hard listening to you going off on fox's "BOOTH BOYS"
I hope fox sees this video. And not only that, but that fox would finally get the clue that it needed to find out why RATINGS are sooo loooow. Alan bostwick is one of my favorite booth announcers. He even does the play by play extremely well. And shit, he's been around for years...peace bro.
7:55 you nailed that point. Sure, one might even argue they show "less" commercials...but you know how many of their commercials *I'm* watching?
None!
Because I watch my racing on RUclips, or record it so I can skip the commercials.
Maybe they should go to the same style as the golf events and do commercials as a split-screen (but with the audio from the commercial) so we can still see the action going on, just in case something interesting happens...
My dude, I have to agree with you 100%. Fox got so sloppy since the early 2000's. I have a whole list of complaints and things that I would love to see come back and ways to get it fixed. Hopefully we can have a conversation regarding it. Look forward to hearing from you.
I hated that gopher cartoon they had going for a while to hype the “gopher cam” that supposedly popped out of the track to get ground level shots. They had cartoons, merch and graphics all for some video hardware that has nothing to do with gofers
I COULDN'T AGREE MORE!! WTF, the commercial breaks have chased me away. I either wait and watch the final 20 laps, or I have to DVR it. DVR is a pain in the ass because I'm fast forwarding every few laps, it ruins the race. Why can F1 put on an entire race without a single break or side by side. Side by side is like sex with a rubber, you get the idea of what's going on but it's NOT the same. F1 has sponsors all over the grid, who cares, you don't miss the race. And NASCAR allows Fox and NBC and FS1 to run ads on the next frigging race, or how cool NASCAR is that you should watch. Go show that shit during Punky Brewster re runs and try to pick up new fans instead of annoying your base. I could give a rip what the next race is, I'm here, show me this race!! In my 45 years as a NASCAR fan I never thought that they would push me away. And yes, Crank It Up should be 100% horsepower, engine sounds, crowd sounds, not flipping spotters! Who makes these decisions?! Ass-hats! And I will say this about NBC, go listen to a Fox race and then listen to an NBC race, the cars on NBC sound like your listening to what they hear in the booth, like the track audio is an after thought. I don't think they'll fix it. One last thing. They know they're getting heat for all of the ads, so now they say it's the last break, or the last sided by side. But they lie. They have a big wreck after saying that and instead of listening to all of the talent they have talk about the race, they break after they said we'd seen the last break. I'm so glad to see the post, maybe just maybe NASCAR will see it and tell the networks ENOUGH!! Dale Jr said on his podcast "we're missing shit"!!! I recommend that NASCAR and the networks watch an F1 race and TRY to emulate that. It is a wonderful 3 hours and that don't tell you how cool F1 is in a commercial because there aren't ANY. Covid was almost a death blow to NASCAR, more gimmicks won't fix it. Like the coliseum race, it's way to small a track so stop it. And it was overshadowed by being forced to listen to a has been rap concert. Don't get me started on Bristol dirt, fuck that. They've ruined a Bristol race. I know, lets ice down Richmond and have an ice race. Dumb asses...
Great video. Wish Bestwick would be in the Fox booth. Well actually, for Fox to go away altogether. And to have Bestwick with whatever channel picks up the first half of the season
bestwick was great on the nbc/tnt package in the early 2000's even nbc dropped the ball kinda putting him as pit reporter but bill weber wasn't bad in the booth. it worked till the end of their package. didnt hear him much on the abc/espn revival after 2007. I wasn't crazy about the rebirth of their nascar coverage. 80's and 90's was great with Jenkins, BP and Ned Jarret calling the races
“You know what’s irritating? Clint Bowyer” boy you ain’t lyin. I about died laughing tho when you said this lol
Wendy Venturini was great when it was Speed TV.
Mike Joy told a BIDDER at Barrett-Jackson “pardon me, I’m broadcasting”. Yesterday Chris Meyers at the beginning of the broadcast, he pulled a Biden and read the cue card exacrly as written. He said something like, greetings from “the location” 🤦♂️
That “way to go Junebug” will never get old
Thank you for doing this. It needed to be said. More then ever!
The days of 90s coverage into early 2000s were the best. But it's nothing but a joke, now. We don't even get to see them celebrate in victory lane like it's suppose to be! Just total frusteration!
I need to add that I grew up in the 80s of Nascar Racing. I was so use to CBS/TBS coverage with Ken Squire, Neil Bonnet, and Ned Jarrett and then with ESPN/ABC's coverage with Bob Jenkins, Benny Parson, Ned, Dr Jerry Punch & John Kernan that I took them all granted! To me, those two groups were the pinnacle of broadcasters and pit reporters that knew how to call the shots professionally without sounding obnoxiously annoying.
I still go back and watch some of those old races and there is clearly so much more excitement and on the spot commentating back then, that these guys now need to take a page from that old book!
That's sooo true... Now we get them doing burnouts and the interview right in on the track vs back then a victory lane celebration... Man times have changed for the worse😢
One thing you didn't mention that has become a problem is that they only have 2 pit reporters (outside of the 500). I think that has hurt the broadcast in a massive way as well. Back in 2001, they had 5 pit road reporters and that made a massive difference in relaying messages to the booth. I feel like you need to have 3 at least, but 4 would be more optimal.
Sounds like the folks in the booth are falling asleep. COTA was a snoozefest for them.
The thing with Bowyer is he had that level of excitement in 2021 with Gordon. Sure it was a bit on the hokey side, but it showed some promise in terms of energy and if refined he could be a solid fill in for DW. I have no idea if they took him back in 2022 and asked him to dial it back cause it's such a drastic change and it doesn't sound bored, it sounds like he's being cautious. He did good with Gordon, but he's got almost nothing to show with Joy and the rotating broadcasters. Harvick and him do mesh decently however, so I would give him 2023 and if nothing's still materializing then it's time to relegate him to the studio or as a reporter on pit road (Bowyer is my favorite driver, so you can imagine my dejection that he hasn't panned out)
Outside that yeah, the cartoons trivialize the talent, the jabs at "keyboard warriors" are pompous, and the commercials are dreadful. I get that NASCAR's advertisements have dropped significantly, but the times you see an ad repeat twice in a row is alarming. I still remember in 2021 this ad for a vehicle that starts with "Why am I so calm right now" repeating THREE. FUCKING. TIMES in a row for the 500. Forget Coca Cola Zero Sugar, forget BUSCHHHHHH, forget Geico, there is no reason an ad reel should be this botched. The shameful thing is that big name companies have offered to strike a streaming deal like Amazon and there's this anxiety that older demographics won't watch. Yes there may be a slight drop, but it's not like the boomers don't have kids that will happily help set up a stream for them and the opportunity for growth is tremendous given F1's surge recently
Great breakdown, hope to see more
Clint is fine stop acting like hes changed. Clint and Harvick will be a borefest!!!!! Harvick is incredibly boring, no sense of humor. They need Kurt Bush with Clint, they had chemistry and Kurt is surprisingly candid, colorful and has a sense of humor.
I’ve been watching Nascar on international stream for years now no commercials and stays on track I can’t go back to cable 📺
Change your smoke alarm batteries lol. Good video
My apologies for that. I recently changed the batteries but people still hear it. I'll continue to look into it.
2:57 elite song choice
Damn bro this is great stuff. Finally a new uncensored voice in the NASCAR RUclips community. You say it like it is and it shows.
Nascar in general has become a total joke. The stages need to go, and they need to go back to flag-to-flag racing.
That would be like if a football game resets the score to 0-0 after each quarter.
And no yellow flag wins, that is as bad as football ending in a tie or a boxing match ending in a draw.
It should be a five-lap shootout if a caution comes out with less than five laps left.
And McReynolds is just plain annoying.
That's why they must lose their rights to NASCAR and be replaced by someone else next season
Really good point on the audio - the sync, crowd noise - all of that.
Your commentary is excellent and reflects the opinions of all of the NASCAR fans that I know. You have earned my subscription. Thanks for your efforts.
Great stuff man, I know you're a fan.
You got the Wally reference in NASCAR in TNT, Wallys world !!!
You earned my sub bro!
FINALLY someone calls out Clint Bowyer. He’s by far the worst commentator FOX has ever had.
As someone who grew up loving wrestling, I learned one big thing: everyone hates the announcers if the show sucks. If the wrasslin is good and people like the stories, the announcers are great. Nobody wants to hear someone tell them they’re watching the greatest show in history if they’ve been hating it. Idon’t think the announcers are really a problem, with the exception of Gordon who was just unfathomably bad. You hate the announcers because they’re selling a product that stinks. You can change all of them and it’s not going to fix anything unless the show itself gets better.
It’s the same reason the commercials are so annoying. The product sucks so bad and the networks got taken to the cleaners so bad on the last tv deal that they have to do desperate and shitty things to sell advertising and salvage their investment. So instead of caution flag commercials you gotta have commercials during the action so people will be forced to watch them. If the audience wasn’t so pathetic and they were doing better, they could ease up on a lot of the ads and still make money. Fox probably lost 9 figures on this tv contract, so they don’t have a choice on ads.
If you want to see a great broadcast, look at a race in the early 90's on ESPN. Bob Jenkins, Ned Jarrett, and Benny Parsons were the Mount Rushmore of race broadcasters. I think Fox has paid attention on some things - they even broke out of a commercial for a wreck last weekend. But you nailed most of the problems they have. The directors need to calm down and stick with the shot longer, especially the in-car shots - let us see an entire lap at least. Stop jump-cutting every 8 seconds. The ticker and the out of sync audio are my other biggest peeves. And here's hoping that Harvick is in the booth next year. He's been great on Saturdays when he's done it. I've always muted the commercials, but this year I've been leaving it muted even when they come back.
I agree 100%. I had been watching Nascar since the 70's and those three announcers were the pinnacle. Now I don't even bother watching anymore. I'd rather watch F1 now and guess what, no Commercials. Just racing.
great points man, and absolutely hilarious delivery by the way. I'll be keeping an eye out for more of your videos. You hit the nail on the head with the timeliness of commercial breaks. I don't even care if there's a commercial break. it's an excuse to take a bathroom break and grab another beer. However, the reason we're watching and you're network is getting eyes on the screen is for a car race, so Fox needs to miss crucial points in the action. More and more people will turn to searching for streams and network ratings will suffer if they can't realize this. When F1TV was rolled out, i was happy to hand over my money because it provided a commercial-free experience I wanted. These networks will fail at their ratings goals if they don't understands the wants of the viewers and when Nascar rolls out its own streaming service, people will flock away from Fox and never look back.
Really good video overall. I loved it! Only thing is the transition to topics. It shouldn't be a 10 second card. Bump it down to 5 seconds. Otherwise this was extremely well done and thought out. ❤
Thanks man. I really appreciate the feedback.
Nailed absolutely everything man, this was a fantastic video. Btw please change your smoke alarm battery lmao
From myself and every other serious motorsport fan I know that watches NASCAR or used to, PREACH BRO!
I bailed on Nascar a decade ago, mostly due to the obscene amount of time one is forced to watch commercials.
agreed on the crowd noise man. also I can't stand showing commercials for nascar, DURING a nascar race.
Remember, it was Fox that killed Speed Channel.
Thanks for this video. So perfectly said. They could just air the race and use MRN for Play-by-Play coverage at this point. At least the radio broadcast has to describe what is happening on the track in real time. They have been turning Nascar into a combination of the WWE and Monster Jam for nearly the past decade. It's become more about the celebrities and children attending each race, than the actual fans that continue funding this circus. We all know none of the children or celebrities are ever paying for their tickets or their merchandise. The whole interview at the start finish line immediately after their burnout is stupid and a complete pointless waste of time. It totally discredits the victory lane celebration importance. Trophies no longer even matter. Plus, there's absolutely no scruples about what content gets aired. Whenever there is an altercation between drivers, they always shove a camera or two or three even a drone right into the middle of it totally uncensored. We already know that nobody wants to be the next viral meme on social media. There's absolutely no code of conduct whatsoever to be seen. Nascar just keeps raising fines when they pick and choose who will be fined. They do this knowing that this will eventually bankrupt some teams completely out of the sport altogether. They have made disobeying authority totally acceptable behavior with Bubba Wallace's and Josh Williams behaviors. Hell, Kyle Larson was immediately suspended 6 months for saying nigga during game of iRacing. I support the use of such a word nor am I implying Kyle Larson shouldn't have been reprimanded for it either. Then he was fired and stripped of all sponsorship but absolutely None of this happened at a sanctioned Nascar event. But it's 100% acceptable for another driver to intentionally wreck another driver then exit their car on a hot track and disobey Nascar officials then assault another driver on live television and because of the difference of skin color, one driver wasn't able to defend themselves at all. All of this was immediately celebrated and used for promotion of ticket sales for Las Vegas Speedway. Bubba Wallace should have been immediately suspended the remainder of the season and Josh Williams wouldn't have got his car back until he understood the pecking order of who is in charge and what respect is What's the point of having all these people in white Nascar fire suites that say Official on the front and back of them? If drivers are allowed to totally ignore their instructions and also allowed to physically put their hands on them as well. There are no longer any limitations on a driver's behavior during a race. They continuously call each other names and curse on live television now it's encouraged for them to wreck each other intentionally and physically assault each other as well. We have grown men throwing temper tantrums on live television asking to be replaced. this is the content we are feeding to our children week after week.
Showing children is lame, makes NASCAR look like a dumb sport when it's not, I like FOX's commentators and the fact they continue to cover the race on the same network no matter what.
Their camera angles aren't always synced too. Sometimes the delays between cameras are a second or more and it's very noticeable when switching cameras.
As for the crowd noise, first you need to have crowds. The stands were nearly empty for the truck race saturday, and they were not a whole lot better for the cup race sunday at Bristol. I do notice that it seems they go out of their way and are careful about showing how empty the stands are, could explain a lot of the weird camera angle stuff. Yes, the production sucks, but these days so does the product.
This whole thing is completely correct. I complain every week till my wife just looks at me. Please come on NBC. Loose the Zombie already.
Bro is preaching. I been complaining about getting rid of Clint Bowyer. This is a professional sport and he treats it like it's comedy central. He's the joke.
One reason for the lack of crowd noise is the lack of a crowd.... They cut the stands down to force everyone into a smaller area so it isn't as obvious that ticket sales are about 30% of the early 90's.
The problem with not having the crowd noise on broadcasts, there’s hardly enough of a crowd to possibly even hear. It’s sad really…
I think the races start too late and the pre-race is too long. I miss the days when the green flag was waving by 1:30. Now it's damn near 4pm by the time they fire up the frickin engines!
It blows my mind how hard fox has fallen, although to their credit, COTA and Richmond have so far been the best broadcasts they've given us in over a year, I think they're finally seeing the negatives and are working on it, albeit at a snails pace. I'm just glad NBC picks up most of the slack Fox left behind, they're incredible with the crowd noise, camera shots, commentary, storylines, etc! I hope Fox has a full turnaround once the next TV deal comes around, that may be a huge influence on them.
I’m miss the Speed channel and I really miss NASCAR on CBS! I guess they don’t call them the Glory Days for nothing… Great Video!
Been a NASCAR fan since 1978, when Pops took me to my 1st race at Talladega. I agree with everything you said in your video, 100%!!!!! I also Subscribed to your channel. T. Y. For sharing my POVs
mike joy is an old school traditionalst kind of guy deep down. So I think the stage racing and the constantly changing points systems and stuff like that slowly ate away at his passion for calling NASCAR to the point that hes become a grumpy old man. Honestly i cant blame him. I was hooked on NASCAR from the early 00s to about 2014 and the same thing has been happening to me in the last decade.
Every time I try to watch a NASCAR the stage racing ruins it. Us older fans spent years getting used to races from most series having a certain rhythm but also knowing a caution could change things in an instant. An unusually long green flag run would get you more and more interested because you start waiting and anticipating for that yellow to come out...amd sometimes it won't. Planned cautions just ruin the whole vibe.
Allen bestwick is in his 60s!?!?
Yea I was surprised by that too. Lol
FOX needs a damm post race show.
On Fox during the Nascar season as soon as the race ends, they run to quickly interview the winner before the guy even can get out the car.
Then maybe a few more drivers race reactions but then nothing.
5 hours and Zero aftershow.
NBC does the after show but it's behind a pay wall peacock.
I refuse to pay for MSM crap.
Peacock should be free for live TV, like sports.
Why is Nascar losing fans, because they take us diehard fans for granted.
Anybody else keep getting up trying to find which one of your smoke detectors needed a new battery lol?
My apologies. I'm trying to look into that issue because I been getting complaints about that for awhile. I changed the batteries recently and people still hear it so idk what's going on.
@@Eliteprecision29 I ain't hating on ya bro, I just thought it was funny because I kept looking at all my detectors lol🤣
@@Eliteprecision29 The smoke detector may have expired. If it’s not a hardwired smoke detector, it’s easy to replace it with another battery model. Check it out ASAP because it could be devastating if it is inoperative.
what i dislike most is the cross-promotion of other sports, like football, baseball, etc.
The F1-style ticker needs to go through the lower positions faster
Excellent video, 100% agree. Also, please replace your smoke detector battery.
This video is great and pretty much nails it. I love going back and watching old races. It's amazing how much better the production quality was. I specifically remember during an older daytona/talladega race (can't remember which one) as fox was going to break, Mike Joy said "if a wreck breaks out, we'll break in"
Those days are long gone my friend :(
Edit: only thing I disagree with is getting Mike joy out of the booth. In my opinion he's being dragged down by trash coworkers. He does mess up more these days, but I'd still take his analysis with better commentators along side him
Not sure I’ve found a video that I agreed with as much as this video, great video all around. Adam Alexander, Jamie Mac, and Harvick should be the cup booth and Jamie little needs to go back to pit road also. Only suggestion is change the batteries in your smoke detector
I miss the days when it was Mike Joy, Larry McReynolds & Darrell Waltrip
And Please do The Rise of NASCAR on NBC
The algorithm blessed me with this video. Glad to see more NASCAR content, subscribed
The best years for me was the late '80s to 2000 when ESPN/ABC covered most of the races. Bob Jenkins, BP, Ned, Dr. Jerry Punch, Bob Dilner, and Matt Yokum.
Agree
the side ticker is so good as long as its always showing intervals. you can see so much info all at once.
The smoke detector chirping got me
It went off right before I saw this comment.
It’s a tough situation, Fox has fallen off the cliff with every point you’ve made being very valid, and NBC seems to demand the guys yell to convey excitement. Not only are the guys hollering on NBC, but the mix has them turned up, it’s hard to be a NASCAR fan right now.
You don't love, "There's a car in the wall!!!!"
I would love a booth w Adam,Kevin and Jamie. Allen Bestwick would be awesome to have back.
THANK YOU for bringing up the spotters during crank it up. That annoys the hell out of me
The cut back in during a wreck while on commercial needs to come back. What if I'm grabbing a beer, checking the grill? I used to run back to the TV in those moments. We've had as many commercials back in the day tbh but the action came first. Now it feels like the commercials come first.
I miss commercials with NASCAR drivers where it's implied that they drive their race cars to the grocery store and live in their fire suits. Also, they fire Tony Stewart off commentary and keep Clint Bowyer. I can't even.
Very excited for Harvick to join the booth.
BRO!! I DIED When you played the start of the 500 THEN COMMERICIAL! You hit it right on the head. Broadcast has gone to shit.. Literally the whole race is a commercial...
I agree with all of your points, great video! Fox is making nascar look like a joke and hurting growth!
oh my god i love you for putting the hood blues instrumental at the start of the video it's such a good song
I agree 100% with every point you make. They need to offer a streaming service with no commercials ( I will pay). Fox is atrocious. I went back and watched old races on fox during the off-season because I miss it