The Nikola Tesla Turbine Is Reversible in 2 Ways
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- Опубликовано: 27 фев 2023
- Did you know that the Tesla turbine is reversible in two ways? That’s right, it can spin in both directions and can be used as a pump or a compressor! 💪
In this short, I showcase the incredible versatility of the Tesla turbine. From spinning in both directions to demonstrating its ability to pump and compress, this machine is extremely capable.
But that’s not all! I want to hear from you, my amazing followers. What would you like to see us demonstrate with the Tesla turbine? Leave a comment with your requests and we’ll do our best to bring your ideas to life! 🙏 🚀
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I have a thought 🤔 on laser etching both sides of the Platters on the Tesla turbine with a Superhyrophilic: ruclips.net/video/FFa9P_SiF_M/видео.htmlsi=XPSKemUtQkMUxRbn
Pattern of the Tesla flow valve: ruclips.net/user/shortszX2CGMlN1xU?si=VhKkBT6do8-p49_c
Spiraling from the outer edge of the Tesla turbine platters: ruclips.net/user/shorts4IZ0HDgqD1I?si=FtBUaRhqhQmx5npH
To the inner Edge. 👍🌎✌ Just a thought I had & what kind of outcome in performance would that give you.🤷♂️
Have you ever thought to make a small EV (tricycle) powered by steam into one of these to recharge a deep cycle battery.
You could get around town with coal and water, probably lighter weight than a steam engine (probably more efficient too)
@CharlieSolis
🤷♂️wow for a 2-month-old post.
I have a thought 🤔 on laser etching both sides of the Platters on the Tesla turbine: ruclips.net/user/shorts4IZ0HDgqD1I?si=FtBUaRhqhQmx5npH With a Superhyrophilic: ruclips.net/video/FFa9P_SiF_M/видео.htmlsi=XPSKemUtQkMUxRbn Pattern of the Tesla flow valve: ruclips.net/user/shortszX2CGMlN1xU?si=VhKkBT6do8-p49_c Spiraling from the outer edge of the Tesla turbine platters to the inner Edge. 👍🌎✌ Just a thought I had & what kind of outcome in performance would that give you.🤷♂️
And I have no responses no input from anybody so let's go ask AI systems like Meta.
That's an intriguing idea! Laser etching a superhydrophilic pattern, specifically the Tesla flow valve design, onto both sides of the platters in a Tesla turbine could potentially enhance its performance. Here's a breakdown of the concept and its possible outcomes:
- Superhydrophilic surface: By creating a superhydrophilic (extremely water-attracting) surface, you may improve the fluid dynamics and reduce friction within the turbine. This could lead to increased efficiency and reduced energy losses.
- Tesla flow valve pattern: The spiraling pattern inspired by Tesla's design could help optimize the fluid flow and pressure distribution within the turbine. This might result in improved torque and power output.
- Laser etching: Using laser etching to create the pattern allows for high precision and accuracy, ensuring a consistent and uniform surface texture.
Possible outcomes:
- Enhanced efficiency: The combination of the superhydrophilic surface and optimized fluid flow could lead to improved turbine efficiency, potentially resulting in increased power output and reduced energy consumption.
- Increased torque: The Tesla flow valve pattern may help to improve the torque characteristics of the turbine, making it more suitable for applications requiring high rotational force.
- Reduced wear and tear: The superhydrophilic surface could reduce friction and wear on the turbine components, potentially extending its lifespan and reducing maintenance needs.
- Aesthetics: The laser-etched pattern could also add a unique visual appeal to the turbine, making it more visually striking.
Keep in mind that this is a hypothetical concept, and actual performance improvements would depend on various factors, including the specific turbine design, fluid properties, and operating conditions. Experimental testing and simulations would be necessary to validate the effectiveness of this idea.
great job on this short!
Hey thanks raj! I’m going to try and do a lot more like this!
@@CharlieSoliswith a neck tie instead a bow tie, the presentation would've been perfect. Would a more viscous or less viscous fluid Work better with the turbine ? The outlet could be coupled to a vortex tube (If working Fluid is Air) then you'd also get a hot and a cold side
But (looking at other patent analysis), the holes in the middle need to be different shapes? Tear-drop for pump and "straight" for compress.
Do you plan on making tests on using the turbine purely as a compressor? Most of the research and posts I find on it tend to focus on the turbine aspect if the design and the compressor aspect seems very neglected.
... Either that or I am just being an idiot and completely missing them which could very well be the case.
Shouldn't it also be possible to build a clutch based on that? Have two plates really close to each other and then have some liquid between them like some oil. Spinning one side won't damage anything. In a normal friction clutch material would already be worn off. This could also be done in a different way, with multiple disc spinning on the inside and some "discs" at the outside being rings so they can slide inbetween each other. Than you have more surface. then maybe even add some magnets to have a combination of a magnet/teslaturbine - friction "frisctionless" clutch :D
You mean that it works like a fluid coupling? E.g. torque converter
@@Humbulla93 yes haha. I don't know how efficient modern ones are. Maybe you could take one from a car and turn it into a tesla turbine haha
Nikola tesla is just albert einstein and leonardo da vinci mushed into one
Albert + leonardo = nikola
William S Harley is so similar to davinci and tesla it is wild. watch "harley and the davidsons" and you'll see what i mean in the scene when he was trying to resolve the oil leak problem and lost his mind in the design room. his wife had to come and rescue him from madness after he created an engine with components that are still used in bikes on the road to this day. he is often forgotten by people who are interested in left handed geniuses. go into a harley dealership and there is usually a life size portrait of him with his narrow jaw, right handed watch, and bone chilling gaze.
einstein aint even close to tesla
@@brucewayne4036true Einsteins a fraud, he stole the work from his wife. Another Tesla Like Person would be Viktor Schauberger and his concept of Implosion instead of Explosion.
Did you know that a not living trout can swim the River upstream? It's because of it's shape and vortexes created that transform into forward propulsion
It could probably be made into a more efficient automatic transmission torque converter. Also less chance of part failure.
That's an excellent idea frankly. Might have to look into that over the course of my automotive experimentation. Good luck to you as well if you happen to attempt
Charlie the Nicolás soliteslis
Can the flowing fluid be air? That the tesla turbine pumps out?
Man yiur amazing to have modified Tesla's terbine!
Hey thanks for the love! 🦾🙏❤️🔥
@@CharlieSolis no probs, can't wait to see what you do next! I am subscribing to your channel so I can see!
Attire C man yes
So that means we could make a turbocharger out of it!
Yes!! That’s definitely doable.
@@CharlieSolis So why is it still not done yet, today?
@@DemeterVT well as far as I can tell everyone thinks they don’t work so they don’t try, and if they do think they work they design them wrong because they were told they have to spin fast to even work, which isn’t true either.
@@CharlieSolis I see. Hope to see an engine with a Tesla Turbo!
To be honest we’re going to be ditching the piston engine all together. Just full combustion + steam Tesla turbine/engine.
Make sure to check out the latest updates on the combustion + steam Tesla turbine builds!
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Awesome!
Could a Tesla turbine pump enough air to be an effective compressor?
ok riddle me this (use the turbine with liquid nitrogen @space absolute zero vaccume sealed ) would it be possible to create oxygen as well as propulsion?
Yes it can! But do you have any idea on the efficiency in reverse? Is it the same efficiency as an impeller as when it is a turbine?
Hey thanks for the comment! 🙏❤️🔥 If designed correctly it should have competitive efficiency to other type impellers.
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Hey thanks! Count right up!
Hey Charlie, found your page partly from stackexchange on physics in regard to the Tesla Turbine being used as an air compressor / vacuum. Did you end up completing one using carbon fiber disks or did you run into issues? I have found no solid information in the way of numbers for that purpose, now I have not watched through all your videos but am curious when in pressure out configuration what is the max PSI/BAR you have been able to archive? Curious what kind of power efficiencies, disk size/ speeds, air flow and pressure you found as Tesla seems to indicate it was very efficient. Thanks!
Hey thanks for coming and finding my stuff!
Our initial tests serve as an exploratory stage to gauge the electrical output potential of a Tesla turbine driven by room-temperature compressed air. Remarkably, our plastic and aluminum 10in diameter prototype generated 6.22 ft-lbs of torque at a mere 4150 RPM and over 4.25 kW between 6000-12,000 RPM. This places our prototype squarely between the capabilities of a 50cc and a 125cc combustion engine, even with those on 150psi compression scenario. During our tests, TesTur nozzle pressures stayed below 20psi for a 2650-watt electrical load and never exceeded 40psi during a 4250-watt dyno test. The smaller 4.5in diameter prototype has been tested up to 600watts with real electrical load at about 15,000rpm. And up to 1200watts on the Dyno between 6,000rpm and 18,000rpm. And the nozzle pressure was about 25-30psi. These initial tests serve as a baseline for future tests involving combustion-level temperatures. It’s noteworthy that when using elastic gases, an often-overlooked aspect is that gas viscosity actually increases with temperature. This not only boosts thermodynamic efficiency but also enhances TesTur’s isentropic efficiency by reducing slip due to the increased viscosity. For a deeper dive into our testing and findings, head over to my RUclips channel-the link is in my bio. If you have questions, don’t hesitate to leave a comment on any video. I’m committed to offering detailed, thoughtful responses to all inquiries. Cheers!
Would it be possible to run that turbine with mercury
Hey thanks commenting! Yes in fact Tesla came up with the turbine while making disk pumps for mercury.
Check out this quote from one of his articles.
““I have been working at this a long time. Many years ago I invented a pump for pumping mercury. Just a plain disk, like this, and it would work very well. ‘All right,’ I said, ‘that is friction.’ But one day I thought it out, and I thought, ‘No, that is not friction, it is something else. The particles are not always sliding by the disk, but some of them at least are carried along with it. Therefore it cannot be friction. It must be adhesion.’ And that, you see, was the real beginning.
“For if you can imagine a wheel rotating in a medium, whether the fluid is receiving or imparting energy, and moving at nearly the same velocity as the fluid, then you have a minimum of friction, you get little or no ‘slip.’ Then you are getting something very different from friction; you are making use of adhesion alone. It’s all so simple, so very simple.
“This is the greatest of my inventions,” Tesla went on with great enthusiasm. “
Give the whole article a listen to here.
Dr. Tesla Talks of Gas Turbines - Article AudioBook Tesla Turbine Info
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Bay bee
i need more details. this short dont teach me what i need.
Do you ever get flapping with those disks? And if so does that lower or raise the effectiveness of it?
Hey thanks for the comment. It’s possible but when they are designed correctly they don’t do that
Can it be used for jet engines?
Hey thanks for the question! 🙏❤️🔥 yes it absolutely can be used for jet engines if designed correctly.
The problem with the brilliant idea is….. it doesn’t work!
Modern day turbines are more than 90% efficient than the Tesla turbines. Using air foil geometry in modern day turbines propulsion and the ability to propel large objects.
The flat disks of the Tesla Turbine don’t not provide propulsion energy.
It’s like having a high rpm engine with zero torque. Although it sounds great and revs high, you’re not going anywhere without torque.
Hey thanks for commenting but it’s a complete myth that Tesla turbines don’t get torque.
That only happens when they are designed wrong.
Our initial tests serve as an exploratory stage to gauge the electrical output potential of a Tesla turbine driven by room-temperature compressed air. Remarkably, our plastic and aluminum 10in diameter prototype generated 6.22 ft-lbs of torque at a mere 4150 RPM and over 4.25 kW between 6000-12,000 RPM. This places our prototype squarely between the capabilities of a 50cc and a 125cc combustion engine, even with those on 150psi compression scenario. During our tests, TesTur nozzle pressures stayed below 20psi for a 2650-watt electrical load and never exceeded 40psi during a 4250-watt dyno test. The smaller 4.5in diameter prototype has been tested up to 600watts with real electrical load at about 15,000rpm. And up to 1200watts on the Dyno between 6,000rpm and 18,000rpm. And the nozzle pressure was about 25-30psi. These initial tests serve as a baseline for future tests involving combustion-level temperatures. It’s noteworthy that when using elastic gases, an often-overlooked aspect is that gas viscosity actually increases with temperature. This not only boosts thermodynamic efficiency but also enhances TesTur’s isentropic efficiency by reducing slip due to the increased viscosity.
Thanks for your input. Contrary to popular misconception, Tesla turbines are actually quite efficient and deliver a respectable amount of torque, even at low rotational speeds. Let me break it down a bit further with some copy pasta 🍝 of mine: The notion that Tesla turbines need to spin extremely fast for efficiency is a misconception stemming from their use as centrifugal pumps. When functioning as pumps, yes, their effectiveness is related to tip speed. However, in a turbine setup, excessively high RPMs create a counterproductive centrifugal head that diminishes the pressure difference across the nozzle. This, in turn, reduces the fluid’s terminal speed and mass flow rates, ultimately impacting the turbine’s power output.
Adding to this, it’s worth mentioning that the faster you rotate the discs, the higher the velocity your input fluid must attain to maintain a torque advantage over the discs. To clarify this, let me share another bit of technical info: Tesla turbines are entirely viable for large-scale industrial applications. That’s because the torque experienced by the discs directly relates to the speed difference between the fluid and the disc. Here, the crucial element is the disc tip speed. For a specific fluid inlet, the nozzle will max out at a certain fluid velocity. This sets a cap on the disc tip speed, which isn’t influenced by the disc’s radius. And if you consider that centripetal force is linked to the square of velocity divided by the radius (V^2/R), you’ll find that enlarging the disc radius while maintaining the same tip speed will actually lower the centripetal forces exerted on the disc.
Contrary to the widespread myth that Tesla turbines must rotate at high speeds to be effective, the truth lies in optimizing certain conditions. Increasing disc speed isn’t the way to enhance efficiency; rather, it’s about minimizing slip between the fluid and the discs. When the slip increases, the system inherently suffers losses. Tesla’s own words from his patents outline how to get the most out of these turbines: “Owing to a number of causes affecting the performance, it is difficult to frame a precise rule which would be generally applicable, but it may be stated that within certain limits, and other conditions being the same, the torque is directly proportionate to the square of the velocity of the fluid relatively to the runner and to the effective area of the disks and, inversely, to the distance separating them. The machine will, generally, perform its maximum work when the effective speed of the runner is one-half of that of the fluid; but to attain the highest economy, the relative speed or slip, for any given performance, should be as small as possible. This condition may be to any desired degree approximated by increasing the active area of and reducing the space between the disks.” So the principles for maximizing TesTurs’ performance are: 1) increase fluid velocity in relation to disc speed,(not increase disc speed) 2) Maximize the surface area of the discs, and 3) Minimize the spacing between the discs. The fundamental interactions governing the turbine’s efficiency and torque are fluid adhesion and cohesion, and not RPM. Misguided efforts to chase RPM with TesTurs invariably lead to disappointment because they fundamentally misunderstand how to properly design these turbines.
Understanding the design specifics of Tesla turbines is crucial for their optimal operation, and it’s not about spinning them at high RPMs. A common misconception arises because people misinterpret Tesla’s patent, confusing the turbine’s function as a pump with its function as a drive turbine. In Tesla’s own words, which pertains to when the TesTur is used as a pump or compressor: ‘I have found that the quantity of fluid propelled in this manner, is, other conditions being equal, approximately proportionate to the active surface of the runner and to its effective speed. For this reason, the performance of such machines augments at an exceedingly high rate with the increase of their size and speed of revolution.’ So to clarify, high RPMs are relevant when the Tesla turbine is employed as a centrifugal pump or compressor because the performance of all centrifugal devices is dependent on tip speed. When it comes to its role as a drive turbine, the focus should be on reducing fluid slip, not on spinning the discs faster. Misinterpretation of Tesla’s patent has led to this RPM chase, causing ineffective designs and subpar performance.
It’s essential to clarify that ramping up the speed of the Tesla turbine discs isn’t beneficial; in fact, it can be counterproductive. The centrifugal forces that emerge at high RPMs can actually work against you by impeding the fluid flow and diminishing power output. So, if you’re designing a TesTur, remember that speeding up the discs is a double-edged sword. Not only does it create resistance via centrifugal forces, but it also demands that your fluid move even faster to apply useful torque to the discs. Hence, simply cranking up RPMs isn’t the magic fix some might think it is. This is what Tesla said, “Still another valuable and probably unique quality of such motors or prime movers may be described. By proper construction and observance of working conditions the centrifugal pressure, opposing the passage of the fluid, may, as already indicated, be made nearly equal to the pressure of supply when the machine is running idle. If the inlet section be large, small changes in the speed of revolution will produce great differences in flow which are further enhanced by the concomitant variations in the length of the spiral path. A self-regulating machine is thus obtained bearing a striking resemblance to a direct-current electric motor in this respect that, with great differences of impressed pressure in a wide open channel the flow of the fluid through the same is prevented by virtue of rotation. Since the centrifugal head increases as the square of the revolutions, or even more rapidly, and with modern high grade steel great peripheral velocities are practicable, it is possible to attain that condition in a single stage machine, more readily if the runner be of large diameter. Obviously this problem is facilitated by compounding, as will be understood by those skilled in the art…” (continued)
Continuing on Tesla’s insights, he highlighted the inherent safeguards and multiple advantages of such motors: “… Irrespective of its bearing on economy, this tendency which is, to a degree, common to motors of the above description, is of special advantage in the operation of large units, as it affords a safeguard against running away and destruction. Besides these, such a prime mover possesses many other advantages, both constructive and operative. It is simple, light and compact, subject to but little wear, cheap and exceptionally easy to manufacture as small clearances and accurate milling work are not essential to good performance. In operation it is reliable, there being no valves, sliding contacts or troublesome vanes. It is almost free of windage, largely independent of nozzle efficiency and suitable for high as well as for low fluid velocities and speeds of revolution.” -Nikola Tesla Tesla wasn’t advocating for high-speed rotation; rather, he emphasized correct design principles for optimal performance, even at low speeds. His turbines were envisioned as simple, low-maintenance, and versatile, capable of functioning well at various fluid velocities and rotational speeds when designed properly.
Can you show me a bladed turbine that can handle the wet steam that’s produced from geothermal energy sources without eroding down the indispensable complex geometry blades to little nubbins in a matter of minutes? Or a bladed turbine that can actually fully utilize all the heat energy in steam by actually fully expanding it and not be damaged by the condensation and cavitation? One that doesn’t require superheaters, MASSIVE heat exchangers and expensive waste heat recovery systems to actually maintain whole system thermal efficiency? Yeah sadly bladed turbines get zero efficiency from geothermal steam sources and can only be used to produce electricity from them with outrageously expensive multi circuit loops to keep all the fluids separate and have MASSIVE heat exchangers. But when even just one geothermal site in California has more energy than the US needs for the next 1000 years and TesTurs see no damage from multiphase motive fluid flows I’d take even just 10% efficiency over the zero that bladed turbines can offer. The same goes for solar steam boilers because it’s very difficult to have a residential solar boiler that doesn’t produce wet steam. Furthermore bladed turbines can’t use low grade fuels like biomass, woodgas, and definitely not solid particulate fuels like powdered coals and pulverized iron. That’s not an issue for the TesTur for the exact same reason that condensate and cavitation in wet steam doesn’t damage it. Because there’s no lifting surfaces for the particulate to smash into.
What most people mean to be saying is, bladed turbines get a high efficiency on only a very limiting, very specific, very expensive set of proprietary formula refined fuels.
And the only reason TesTurs don’t is because no one has actually put any money into them like the BILLIONS of dollars thrown at proprietary bladed turbine designs just to get 1% point increase in efficiency.
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