@@Kilgallon1981 If you didn't think those were difficult questions I don't know what to tell you. This wasn't a breeze for Angus. You have to at least give him credit for that...even if you consider him a "Tory T"
This last year, I stayed a firm supporter of the club, my 53rd year of doing so… but I also became a supporter of The Square Ball… I took away so much from that interview that I didn’t know. From the scale of overhaul Bielsa had requested to the anger at how Adams transfer was handled. I think balance was achieved in handling Angus Kinnear as CEO… and as a result, he was also able to say more. Really Great job!
The biggest thing that comes across here is that Angus genuinely seems to care about the club, the fans and the team. He didn’t have to do this, could easily have done an official club podcast where he got softer questions, but this is as close to facing the fans directly as he could’ve gotten. Even if he doesn’t stay too long, and is simply remaining to help transition the 49ers into the club, I think he understands the mistakes, and the errors, and will try his hardest to atone for any he’s made himself.
Angus was more open and honest than I thought he would be or needed to be. It’s obvious we were hamstrung by Andrea’s lack of huge wealth, but I still give him credit. He tried, stayed too long, but as Angus said, it’s his business and it gets emotional (just look at us fans) We’re in good hands, slow and steady, but I think they’ll make the team on of the big 8 again.
Raphinha (and several others) did perform a bit better when Marsch came. We got a bit of a new manager "bump". I don't rate Marsch but it's not fair to blame him when players perform poorly, while simultaneously giving no credit when they give a decent performance.
Excellent guys , spot on questioning , fair play to Angus , a bit uncomfortable at times but battled through it honestly in my opinion , Great insight ...its items like these that stands out The Square Ball as No 1
Impressive chat from the TSB team so kudos to you both and to those who may have helped shape the approach taken. Really beneficial chat with all the changes behind the scenes, and great to hear what Angus had to say. He came across very well and magnanimous, and clearly he has impressed the ownership. It is a tough job, and kudos to him for showing up, and not hiding.
Fair play to Angus for coming on the show again, he was very honest. Fair play to Dan and Michael too, they were as strong with questions and subjects as they could have been. 💙💛
Very impressed with that as an interview. Some good, searching questions and to be fair to Angus Kinnear, he answered them as fully as possible without trying to push blame elsewhere or breaching confidentiality. Well done all.
Great stuff guys and massive respect to Angus for his transparency. Running a football club is not easy and it's impossible to control the outcome of every decision that you make. He knows that the club made mistakes and now they can learn from them.
@@tempname4039 you would do,that why were in a mess……but, carry on truths hurts Kinnear is a Twat running MY football club….I really don’t want to deal with your valuation!!
Having watched the whole interview I think Angus came across as honest and with the right intentions for the club going forward. He didn't try to hide from the mistakes made which led to relegation last season. I thought his rationale for some of his programme notes was interesting and valid; I'd never thought of the angle that yes - as a senior figure within the club - he did / does have a responsibility to 'big up' his players / employees on occasion...I think everyone would rather work for a boss who publicly supports and encourages them (whatever line of work they are in). Great interview and well worth a watch.
Not even watched it yet - but fair play to him for coming in....updated comment to come after :)) Just watched : thought he was as straight forward as he could be - no real surprise revelations. I think we all knew what was going on and he admitted they should have got rid of marsch sooner and that Grazia losing the dressing room at Bournemouth - really good job by the TSB lads in pressing him - well worth a listen - favorite parts : Dan straight in with the Levi’s contract law quip and “we can have a healthy debate about me being a twat but I’m not a Tory ‘ I’m glad Farke is here and I’m glad orta has gone … MOT!
Insightful. Some of the greatest lessons in life are a product of failure. The response so far this season has been encouraging. Honest responses and respectful of our magnificent club. MOT!
Well done Adam and the TSB. I thoroughly enjoyed this exposition of recent events and recent seasons. Adam could have ducked this one but he deserves a huge amount of credit for standing up and being counted. If I were his employer I would be extremely grateful for his work and professionalism. I hope the clear out of the rats and snakes puts us into a much stronger position and we can all be proud of our great club once again. MOT!
Great interview, lads. Really good to hear Angus’ views on the whole calamitous season - respect for turning up to answer questions: shit got real at the 1 hour point 😅
@@soulie5287He really doesn't have to. I don't know how many other CEOs offer up nearly two hours of their time for a completely unrestricted interview where they don't control the questions, but it can't be many. So yes, he really wanted to.
Thank you for appearing on The Square Ball podcast again, Mr Kinnear. Not many top clubs have a CEO willing to do this when things have been plain sailing, never mind when they have gone the way the last two seasons have for Leeds United. A brilliant presentation from the best in the business, thank you TSB!
Good chat. Dan you did a great job because I'm sure that there were some points that you may have had to have held back a little. Fair play to Angus for doing the interview, and it has been done at the correct time. He was careful and measured as you'd expect, and he was placed in sufficient discomfort, I'd say. I'd love someone to watch this back (not me) and count how many times he says "ya know" Fair to say at this stage that none of the players that left due to clauses will be welcomed back. The players that did stay are deserving of our respect.
Really interesting interview with an intelligent and honest CEO. I hope past mistakes have been learned from and aren’t repeated but it’s good to hear Angus take personal responsibility for some of the decisions that didn’t work out.
Great interview....thank you to Angus for coming on and being open, honest and transparent. No excuses, no side stepping...deserved to stay on as CEO and gives me hope we are on the right track to getting back to the PL.
Absolutely fascinating the whole thing. Well done TSB for continually getting him in (fair play for him showing up!) and solid questioning, very thorough, fair, professional approach to representing the fan base…🙌
Fantastic interview Lads, some great questions and points raised to Angus, who I have to say addressed everything you asked and did a good job of putting across the position the club were in last season and this season. We don't for the most part understand how football operates internally and frankly how turbulent it can be so having some insight to that is always great. Respect to both you guys at the Square ball and Angus for coming out and doing it MOT 👏
Fair play to him for doing the interview with regards the season we had, took some blows but took them on the chin, moving forward its left me feeling positive for the next few years at least .
Excellent watch and fair play to Angus facing some awkward questions. Thought he answered everything with a straight bat. Takes some balls to face the music so respect to Angus. And great questions from the lads👏👏👏 Keep up the brilliant work guys! MOT 💙💛🤍
Great video, very interesting and enlightening to hear from the 'inside'. Kudos to Angus for doing these interviews and answering difficult questions with apparent honesty and love for the club.
Just gone through the comments, and I didn't spot one which wasn't positive about Kinnear, which considering the last two years, is a MASSIVE testament to his responses, and the great interviewing from the TSB gents. Good work all... MOT.
@@11JanhoOkay, I agreed with one of your comments below, but you seriously have nothing positive to say from that interview? What specifically do you think was "dishonest"?
@@jonnysmyth1011 In spite of Dan( Square Ball) probing and confronting the Twat Never answered a question ! You can agree or disagree that’s your prerogative, but are you deaf?Where do you point the finger to this mess we are currently dealing with? People like you? Get off the fence Jonny , someone is responsible as in the case when we were in the third tier with Bates etc etc …..
This was excellent. A very good interview from Dan and Michael, and a very honest and clear explanation from Angus. Tyler Adams has done himself no favours now it is clear what his behaviour was like after Leeds had really cared for him. I hope one day we are told what happened in the Palace game. But all in all, feel much more secure, informed and confident, so fair play to Angus here.
58:40 ‘you’d like to think the majority of the players at least retain their transfer fee’. In the context of if the club is relegated surely you have to account for the fact that in those circumstances the majority of players are unlikely to retain their transfer value because if they had performed at that level we wouldn’t have been relegated in the first place. In what possible scenario do we get relegated but the majority of the players have played well enough to still be valued at what we paid for them?
I admire the leadership of attending this interview. However, thinking March’s first season was a success is delusional. The regression was clear for all to see. We stayed up in spite of Marsch, not because of Marsch. Keeping him was the key mistake.
It’s not delusional if you look at from the point of view of the target that season was for Marsh to keep us up. He was successful at that. He was still a rancid manager though who shouldn’t have been given the job of m the first place
completely agree. even his wins were lucky. Norwich 94th minute goal, Watford could have gone either way, Wolves away on that Friday night 2-0 down they go down to 10 men and thankfully collapsed, Brentford when we stayed up they went down to 9 men in that game. Man City battered 4-0, Chelsea came beat 3-0 us didnt have a shot on target, Aston Villa beat us 3-0 didnt have a shot on target. warning signs were there
The key mistake was selecting him as the successor for Bielsa in the first place. The kind of player we had, that Bielsa liked were completely different from the type of player Marsch needed. Bringing him in as anything more than a short term project made no sense and Orta deserves the blame. By doing this Orta set the players, the club, and even Marsch himself up for failure. We had a team made up of half Marsch ball players and half Bielsa players. Which meant we couldn't carry out either style effectively.
@@leemitchell3302mate did you watch the back half of the season? Something in terms of play style should materialise in a third of the season, personally I was neutral to keeping him on but some of the rumoured names otherwise were far more preferable.
@@Donners329 I think you might be missing my point mate! The boards target for marsh in that last part of the season was to stay up, we stayed up so they will see it as successful. They had a target for him, we met it while he was in charge. Now my own opinion is most appointments could have done the same, I even think Bielsa would have sorted it if he’d have stayed so I’m not giving marsh credit for it, simply looking at why Angus would view it as successful.
Fantastic interview, fair play to Angus & TSB boys, direct hard hitting questions and no dodging the bullets by Angus. To be honest I fell out of love with football and Leeds United over the past two seasons, after following Leeds for 53 years. Maybe ive started healing my broken heart.
Astonishingly good interview. Kinnear was surprisingly frank and revealing, without actually throwing too many culprits under the bus, other than Sinisterra, though clearly he thought that Orta was given too much freedom and really screwed up with some of the transfers. It is interesting though, that apparently Marcelo Bielsa wanted Aaronson, who turned out to be one of the most disastrous transfers, though perhaps not as disastrous for the club as Marsch, Kristensen and Firpo. Also interesting that he was surprised that so many of the players whose transfer value declined over the season wanted out after relegation rather than stay and fight for promotion. Also interesting that he thinks that Sinisterra is still potentially worth more in the transfer market than what Leeds paid for him. My overall impression though was that the club is in competent hands and that a return to the premiership within 3 years is very possible.
Respect to Kinnear for coming on and overall was as open and honest as he could be regarding everything and didn't shy away from owning the mistakes. It's very easy and cynical as fans to question the loan release clause but ultimately the long term safety, under the previous owner would have been in jeopardy, which none of us want. I do think too much power was given to Orta post bielsa which hopefully has been rectified now with the new structure. Overall I think Angus has sincerity and dignity and does want us to succeed, yes he has made mistakes but he is the only one who's here to try make amends so let's see where we are in 12-18 months.
What a great interview! Very honest. I feel the club is finally in a steady footing. Great manager and some great players in. We will be a lot bette off in the long term. Only blot is the left back situation which beggars belief.
Class from Angus, very sincere i thought. Loved the 'twat? But not ever a Tory' . Never going to directly throw Orta under the bus , but body language said a lot. His & the clubs intentions for the season look very positive. A little patience will pay off.
Well done for getting him on guys and asking the difficult questions, and kudos to him for doing it. Some interesting points in there we didn't know which shed some light on why seemingly crazy decisions were made. Ive always felt Angus has the best interests of the club at heart and hope this is the start of a new trajectory for the club. Daniel Farke hit the nail on the head when he said we need to get back to what we lost when Bielsa left. The club, board, Management and fans all as one. MOT
Incredible interview asking lots of deep routed questions too which we've all been begging to get answers on. Very impressed with the questions and Angus' responses! One criticism was wouldn't of minded hearing a question about why we actually didn't sign a left back or if we wanted Hamer and that didnt work why didn't we go for another CAM? Potentially the missing piece this year if it doesn't work out.
Great interview and credit to Angus. He knew what was coming and didn't have to be shot at but conducted himself very well. No tiptoeing around the frustrations of the fans. Just brilliant interviewing by the cast of TSB. I think Angus needed a glass of water as definitely a lot of dry mouth noises coming from him. Don't mind someone fronting up in the face of adversity. Great insight into what has gone on. Thank you chaps for the compelling podcast 👍
Great stuff guys... questions were direct and honest and respect to Angus for his honesty answering.. especially around transfers.. its not the club its the player.. and fair play get rid.. I thought that we needed to get through the transfer window.. to let Daniel and the squad crack on with the season.... MOT
Great interview, well done Angus for fronting up and answering all the questions. I'm more positive about the season after listening to him. I'm glad he dispelled the nonsense that Bielsa didn't want new players. He wanted a new squad!
When the Leeds board sacked Bielsa all the questions were all wrong. Results had been awful and fans were asking why is Bielsa doing this and that? Bielsa hadn't changed, but the board hadn't listened to him and acted on his advice. It is quite obvious now that the problem was the board, the owners and directors and not Bielsa. The board acted shamelessly in sacking him when they were entirely at fault. Hang your head Angus, you were there on the board. Et tu, Brute?
Was it not just an issue of money? Bielsa made it clear he had a 2 year plan (which he delivered perfectly) but the club would then need to provide the huge cash injection to overhaul the team with 50 mill plus players to stay in the premier league. Radrizani never had the wealth necessary to make this happen. It was never an option and therefore the outcome (failure to maintain premier league status) was inevitable. Had it been the 49ers who owned the club at that time things could have been different.
You say the board didn't listen to him and act on his advice.... his advice was to buy a new team. I've never heard such autistic advice as that in my life. You cannot buy a new team at any time, much less in your second year as a premier league team. If the 49ers had taken full control in the summer of 2021 then maybe they could have spent and bought enough good players to keep us going under biesla. But for him to suggest buying a new team to his owner when he knows his owner hasn't got much money and we've not long come out of the championship. Is plain special needs 🤷♂️🤷♂️
Agree with most of the comments. PLUS - we know having a 7 year old son who’s grown up around Leeds and is a fan = a long term commitment to LUFC (that young man is likely to be a Leeds fan forever AND his Dad knows it)
@@Ohmydayyshe has done it for a few years now and has come across as genuine and has answered everything we’d asked. Noones done perfect but he’s been the most chivalrous in his approach out of the gang. My opinion
@@Cranndaddy being the best of a bad bunch isn’t an achievement, he should never work in the game again. All happy with him because he speaks like an MP👍🏼
For anyone who hasn’t seen, Radrizzani is complaining about Angus on twitter because of this interview, clearly he’s been back on the Pinot and just can’t let it go
Excellent interview. Spicy yet appreciative questions! Increased my already high esteem of you guys, and increased my valuation of AK. We still won't get auto promoted. We're not the only decent team in the CS
Brilliant interview, very clear why certain decisions were made, whether right or wrong he gave us good insight into why. Feels good to get some answers.
Fantastic interview and I'm proud of Angus. Tough job but faces it head on. I think he's spot on in terms of supporting professional footballers that want to be at the club, irrespective of form. Support features on both sides.
One omission lads: you did not ask Angus if Nick Hammond will be retained for a permanent job. That is a very relevant and current question of great interest.
I agree with him. One toxic fan against a player, creates two toxic fans, against two players. The toxic fans grow, they target players and it damages the squad. The toxic fans are a disgrace, its became a social media problem that other clubs fuel also.
I think the part about Bielsa wanting a complete squad overhaul of 40/50 million pound players feels quite hyperbolic unless it was in the context of ‘how do you think we kick on and get into Europe next year Marcelo?’ The man is a football purist but he’s not got his head in the clouds, he’d have known that was never a realistic request. I also doubt he’d have wanted a complete squad overhaul, I can’t imagine a scenario after the 2020/21 season where he wanted to replace any of Meslier, Raphinha, Phillips, Harrison, Rodrigo, possibly even Bamford, Koch and Dallas after the seasons they had. We also know he’s not a man who historically sticks around when things aren’t being run his way, so if he asked for let’s say £150/300 million worth of investment for a full squad overhaul and what he got was Dan James and Junior Firpo I think he’d have walked before the 2021/22 season even began, his stock was never hire he could have walked into most jobs he’d have wanted anywhere.
Recall report Marcelo actually stated he had extracted from & the boys had given their collective maximum no? Extrapolation - full squad overhaul when viewed from Angus position?
@@christopherwilkinson893 I understand if he thought most of the guys who’d been there from the beginning would be burnt out and they needed overhauling (and he was right) but he wouldn’t have been looking to replace the players who’d signed in the first year of the premier league. I think he likely would have wanted 4 or 5 players to replace the likes of Klich, Ayling, Cooper, Alioski, gradually which is far less unreasonable.
@@harveyholmes9533 What I think is you are doing what most fans do---speculate on things we know nothing about since we were not in the room to hear anything. Angus' interview clearly shows how little fans do know about inside working and complexities, of these massive clubs like ours, The fact is, you, me everyone just pin idealistic traits on Bielsa because we love him so much, and inferring one thing from unrelated other things is not a valid way of looking at what he requested of Radz. What is more likely is the truth is somewhere in the middle, and lost in translation. Bielsa had been publicly on nrecord several times in his career saying his methods only worked for so long, and LUFC was a totally new experience for him to be at one place for so long, so even he had no clue how to deal with what ended up happening to him the season he was sacked.
A very good interview. Love him or hate him, at least he came and faced up. How many other CEOs do that I wonder? Minor annoyances for me were that there was far too much Victor Orta chat and that you didn't ask the million dollar question. What really happened at half time against Palace? 🙂
Angus you have got it very wrong if you think the recruitment for Bielsa was good. The whole responsibility for the success of those players rested with Marcello himself. The guy was a magician. That team was a mid table Championship side that he made perform at 200% of their real capacity. Nothing to do with player recruitment at all, and what's worse is, you let him go.
Watch the interview again. The recruitment was good enough to get us to 9th in the Premier League, then Bielsa wanted a new squad of players the club couldn't afford. Nothing would have been good enough for him at that point because Radrizzani didn't have enough money to pay for them. The (understandable) mistake was to persevere with Bielsa for another season knowing that they didn't give him what he wanted at that point. The hope was the squad would come through, but it didn't.
@@EnglishMikethe mistake was radz should have sold up when we finished 9th and let’s also add to the context the year we finished 9th there was no fans that definitely played a part for me.
@@JamieLowe-xp1le Sure, but you have to admit that it would have been a really tough decision for any owner invested in the club to make. Radz isn't a faceless corporation only concerned about how much profit he could make from the sale. He was riding high from three great years of progress and Leeds' form at the end of the season (after the fans were back) was the best it had been all season. Nobody was sounding the alarm back then. It's only with hindsight people are saying he should have sold, just like I know now that I shouldn't have sold my 100 shares of Apple stock I owned 30 years ago.... _sigh_
Great interview guys. Respect to Angus for coming on and fielding the difficult questions, didn’t try to hide or shirk responsibility. MOT 👍
yes he did!
Don't give him credit. He's manipulated this and managed to make himself smell of roses.
He was a big part of a big problem
Which difficult question was that ?
@@Kilgallon1981 If you didn't think those were difficult questions I don't know what to tell you. This wasn't a breeze for Angus. You have to at least give him credit for that...even if you consider him a "Tory T"
This last year, I stayed a firm supporter of the club, my 53rd year of doing so… but I also became a supporter of The Square Ball… I took away so much from that interview that I didn’t know. From the scale of overhaul Bielsa had requested to the anger at how Adams transfer was handled. I think balance was achieved in handling Angus Kinnear as CEO… and as a result, he was also able to say more. Really Great job!
That a CEO goes on a non club podcast is amazing! Great job!
The biggest thing that comes across here is that Angus genuinely seems to care about the club, the fans and the team. He didn’t have to do this, could easily have done an official club podcast where he got softer questions, but this is as close to facing the fans directly as he could’ve gotten. Even if he doesn’t stay too long, and is simply remaining to help transition the 49ers into the club, I think he understands the mistakes, and the errors, and will try his hardest to atone for any he’s made himself.
How much he's being paid? He's added no value and written off contracts that will cost us in the future
@@ianhannant7497Which contracts?
Respect to him for doing this every year
Respect to him for turning the club into financial disaster and a National laughing stock once again.
@@OhmydayysLazy opinion.
Respect for what, are you mad he is to blame for the shambles that now runs through the club
@@user-oz3ps5mp6v Regardless of what you think of the man, he does not have to do this and I think it's great that he does
@@OhmydayysThat was Orta and Rex arms but ok
Angus was more open and honest than I thought he would be or needed to be.
It’s obvious we were hamstrung by Andrea’s lack of huge wealth, but I still give him credit. He tried, stayed too long, but as Angus said, it’s his business and it gets emotional (just look at us fans)
We’re in good hands, slow and steady, but I think they’ll make the team on of the big 8 again.
Marsche didn't keep us up, Raphinia did!
Raphinia & Newcastle
Raphinha, Newcastle, and Tyrone Mings kept us up.
@@FeloniousFunk Don't forget Jiménez, the twat.
If that's true why were Leeds crap before Marsch whilst Raphinha was at the club?
Raphinha (and several others) did perform a bit better when Marsch came. We got a bit of a new manager "bump". I don't rate Marsch but it's not fair to blame him when players perform poorly, while simultaneously giving no credit when they give a decent performance.
Spurs fan, but watched out of curiosity.. massive respect to Angus for fronting up like this. Really insightful and interesting interview
Excellent guys , spot on questioning , fair play to Angus , a bit uncomfortable at times but battled through it honestly in my opinion , Great insight ...its items like these that stands out The Square Ball as No 1
Great video guys. Fair play to Angus for coming on and hopefully he's now working with a better team especially on the recruitment side!
Impressive chat from the TSB team so kudos to you both and to those who may have helped shape the approach taken. Really beneficial chat with all the changes behind the scenes, and great to hear what Angus had to say. He came across very well and magnanimous, and clearly he has impressed the ownership. It is a tough job, and kudos to him for showing up, and not hiding.
Fair play to Angus for coming on the show again, he was very honest. Fair play to Dan and Michael too, they were as strong with questions and subjects as they could have been. 💙💛
Helmet. Kinear is a cancer
I personally don’t think he was very honest
@@jordanbrown231cool story bro
@@dudeabides5807 mugged off on RUclips by an account dedicated to a 25 year old film. Sound
@@jordanbrown231glad you're honest at least about being a mug
Very impressed with that as an interview. Some good, searching questions and to be fair to Angus Kinnear, he answered them as fully as possible without trying to push blame elsewhere or breaching confidentiality. Well done all.
Great stuff guys and massive respect to Angus for his transparency. Running a football club is not easy and it's impossible to control the outcome of every decision that you make. He knows that the club made mistakes and now they can learn from them.
Kudos to him for actually coming through with the interview and not just pretending he couldn't make it.
He’s made a bigger fool of himself!!
He’s usually a lot more arrogant in his program notes, funny that
@@11Janho I thought he came across really well.
@@tempname4039 you would do,that why were in a mess……but, carry on truths hurts Kinnear is a Twat running MY football club….I really don’t want to deal with your valuation!!
@@11Janhohow are you working that out ?.
Having watched the whole interview I think Angus came across as honest and with the right intentions for the club going forward. He didn't try to hide from the mistakes made which led to relegation last season. I thought his rationale for some of his programme notes was interesting and valid; I'd never thought of the angle that yes - as a senior figure within the club - he did / does have a responsibility to 'big up' his players / employees on occasion...I think everyone would rather work for a boss who publicly supports and encourages them (whatever line of work they are in). Great interview and well worth a watch.
Absolutley love these annual Kinnear interviews, very insightful. Fair play to Angus for doing them. Keep up the good work TSB
He should be gone... Useless business brain
Not even watched it yet - but fair play to him for coming in....updated comment to come after :))
Just watched : thought he was as straight forward as he could be - no real surprise revelations. I think we all knew what was going on and he admitted they should have got rid of marsch sooner and that Grazia losing the dressing room at Bournemouth - really good job by the TSB lads in pressing him - well worth a listen - favorite parts : Dan straight in with the Levi’s contract law quip and “we can have a healthy debate about me being a twat but I’m not a Tory ‘
I’m glad Farke is here and I’m glad orta has gone … MOT!
The least he could do considering he’s partly responsible for the mess we’re in.
Same
And he's owning up to his mistakes.🤷🏻
me too but neck like a jockeys bollox springs to mind
Well what did you conclude lol I was the same as you on first glance and I also haven't watched yet lol
Insightful. Some of the greatest lessons in life are a product of failure. The response so far this season has been encouraging. Honest responses and respectful of our magnificent club.
MOT!
Fair play to Angus! Gotta love his quote though just after an hour in that "Willy had a wobble" 😂😂
Great work by the TSB .Thank you guys
Well done Adam and the TSB. I thoroughly enjoyed this exposition of recent events and recent seasons. Adam could have ducked this one but he deserves a huge amount of credit for standing up and being counted. If I were his employer I would be extremely grateful for his work and professionalism. I hope the clear out of the rats and snakes puts us into a much stronger position and we can all be proud of our great club once again. MOT!
Who's Adam? 😬
Great interview, lads. Really good to hear Angus’ views on the whole calamitous season - respect for turning up to answer questions: shit got real at the 1 hour point 😅
Quality interview. Well done TSB and Angus 👏
Fair play Angus, not many (if any) CEO's would be prepared to be interviewed for 1hr 45 on our last few years! Thanks Dan/Michael
Kudos to Angus for coming on the show
Do you honesty think he wante to? Sacrificial Lamb
@@soulie5287this exactly, never learns does he, ffs
@@soulie5287He really doesn't have to. I don't know how many other CEOs offer up nearly two hours of their time for a completely unrestricted interview where they don't control the questions, but it can't be many.
So yes, he really wanted to.
Thank you for appearing on The Square Ball podcast again, Mr Kinnear. Not many top clubs have a CEO willing to do this when things have been plain sailing, never mind when they have gone the way the last two seasons have for Leeds United. A brilliant presentation from the best in the business, thank you TSB!
Firm but fair interview. Fair play to Angus for coming on and fronting this.
Good chat. Dan you did a great job because I'm sure that there were some points that you may have had to have held back a little.
Fair play to Angus for doing the interview, and it has been done at the correct time. He was careful and measured as you'd expect, and he was placed in sufficient discomfort, I'd say.
I'd love someone to watch this back (not me) and count how many times he says "ya know"
Fair to say at this stage that none of the players that left due to clauses will be welcomed back. The players that did stay are deserving of our respect.
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Really interesting interview with an intelligent and honest CEO. I hope past mistakes have been learned from and aren’t repeated but it’s good to hear Angus take personal responsibility for some of the decisions that didn’t work out.
Great interview....thank you to Angus for coming on and being open, honest and transparent. No excuses, no side stepping...deserved to stay on as CEO and gives me hope we are on the right track to getting back to the PL.
Strong questions from the team and some good answers from Angus. Thanks for this.
Absolutely fascinating the whole thing. Well done TSB for continually getting him in (fair play for him showing up!) and solid questioning, very thorough, fair, professional approach to representing the fan base…🙌
Fantastic interview Lads, some great questions and points raised to Angus, who I have to say addressed everything you asked and did a good job of putting across the position the club were in last season and this season.
We don't for the most part understand how football operates internally and frankly how turbulent it can be so having some insight to that is always great.
Respect to both you guys at the Square ball and Angus for coming out and doing it MOT 👏
Fair play to him for doing the interview with regards the season we had, took some blows but took them on the chin, moving forward its left me feeling positive for the next few years at least .
We got relegated... He ha suffered no consequences
Excellent watch and fair play to Angus facing some awkward questions. Thought he answered everything with a straight bat. Takes some balls to face the music so respect to Angus. And great questions from the lads👏👏👏 Keep up the brilliant work guys! MOT 💙💛🤍
Great video, very interesting and enlightening to hear from the 'inside'. Kudos to Angus for doing these interviews and answering difficult questions with apparent honesty and love for the club.
Just gone through the comments, and I didn't spot one which wasn't positive about Kinnear, which considering the last two years, is a MASSIVE testament to his responses, and the great interviewing from the TSB gents. Good work all... MOT.
Excellent interview TSB. Well done to all involved. Outstanding!
Why was it excellent? Did you gain anything other than being fooled by him…again!
@@11JanhoYou bring so much joy to the world. 😂
@@jonnysmyth1011 honesty is always the best policy…do you agree?
@@11JanhoOkay, I agreed with one of your comments below, but you seriously have nothing positive to say from that interview? What specifically do you think was "dishonest"?
@@jonnysmyth1011 In spite of Dan( Square Ball) probing and confronting the Twat Never answered a question ! You can agree or disagree that’s your prerogative, but are you deaf?Where do you point the finger to this mess we are currently dealing with? People like you? Get off the fence Jonny , someone is responsible as in the case when we were in the third tier with Bates etc etc …..
This was excellent. A very good interview from Dan and Michael, and a very honest and clear explanation from Angus. Tyler Adams has done himself no favours now it is clear what his behaviour was like after Leeds had really cared for him. I hope one day we are told what happened in the Palace game. But all in all, feel much more secure, informed and confident, so fair play to Angus here.
what from the palace game?
Great, balanced interview IMO. Well done to all. Think we needed that.
Really interesting interview and fair play to him he didn’t hide his feelings for about the conduct of Adams and Sini
58:40 ‘you’d like to think the majority of the players at least retain their transfer fee’. In the context of if the club is relegated surely you have to account for the fact that in those circumstances the majority of players are unlikely to retain their transfer value because if they had performed at that level we wouldn’t have been relegated in the first place. In what possible scenario do we get relegated but the majority of the players have played well enough to still be valued at what we paid for them?
The words "Jesse Marsch" And "Sucess" should never appear in the same sentence.
First competitive job sacked from the company he lived for, definition of failure
Good interview, an unexpected Thursday night treat, thanks.
how would you know. you commented when the vid came out...
Really appreciate this interview, bravo to all 3 of you
I admire the leadership of attending this interview.
However, thinking March’s first season was a success is delusional. The regression was clear for all to see. We stayed up in spite of Marsch, not because of Marsch. Keeping him was the key mistake.
It’s not delusional if you look at from the point of view of the target that season was for Marsh to keep us up. He was successful at that. He was still a rancid manager though who shouldn’t have been given the job of m the first place
completely agree. even his wins were lucky. Norwich 94th minute goal, Watford could have gone either way, Wolves away on that Friday night 2-0 down they go down to 10 men and thankfully collapsed, Brentford when we stayed up they went down to 9 men in that game. Man City battered 4-0, Chelsea came beat 3-0 us didnt have a shot on target, Aston Villa beat us 3-0 didnt have a shot on target. warning signs were there
The key mistake was selecting him as the successor for Bielsa in the first place. The kind of player we had, that Bielsa liked were completely different from the type of player Marsch needed. Bringing him in as anything more than a short term project made no sense and Orta deserves the blame. By doing this Orta set the players, the club, and even Marsch himself up for failure. We had a team made up of half Marsch ball players and half Bielsa players. Which meant we couldn't carry out either style effectively.
@@leemitchell3302mate did you watch the back half of the season? Something in terms of play style should materialise in a third of the season, personally I was neutral to keeping him on but some of the rumoured names otherwise were far more preferable.
@@Donners329 I think you might be missing my point mate! The boards target for marsh in that last part of the season was to stay up, we stayed up so they will see it as successful. They had a target for him, we met it while he was in charge.
Now my own opinion is most appointments could have done the same, I even think Bielsa would have sorted it if he’d have stayed so I’m not giving marsh credit for it, simply looking at why Angus would view it as successful.
This was class! Thank you so much fellas AND Angus for this...
always look forward to this interview every year.
Well done Lads, time fly by listening to it to be fair.
This was the best Square Ball podcast ever. Great questions from Dan and Michael and what Angus gave in return was both educational and illuminating.
Fantastic interview, fair play to Angus & TSB boys, direct hard hitting questions and no dodging the bullets by Angus.
To be honest I fell out of love with football and Leeds United over the past two seasons, after following Leeds for 53 years. Maybe ive started healing my broken heart.
Astonishingly good interview. Kinnear was surprisingly frank and revealing, without actually throwing too many culprits under the bus, other than Sinisterra, though clearly he thought that Orta was given too much freedom and really screwed up with some of the transfers. It is interesting though, that apparently Marcelo Bielsa wanted Aaronson, who turned out to be one of the most disastrous transfers, though perhaps not as disastrous for the club as Marsch, Kristensen and Firpo. Also interesting that he was surprised that so many of the players whose transfer value declined over the season wanted out after relegation rather than stay and fight for promotion. Also interesting that he thinks that Sinisterra is still potentially worth more in the transfer market than what Leeds paid for him. My overall impression though was that the club is in competent hands and that a return to the premiership within 3 years is very possible.
Respect to Kinnear for coming on and overall was as open and honest as he could be regarding everything and didn't shy away from owning the mistakes. It's very easy and cynical as fans to question the loan release clause but ultimately the long term safety, under the previous owner would have been in jeopardy, which none of us want. I do think too much power was given to Orta post bielsa which hopefully has been rectified now with the new structure. Overall I think Angus has sincerity and dignity and does want us to succeed, yes he has made mistakes but he is the only one who's here to try make amends so let's see where we are in 12-18 months.
Well played guys, firm without going too far and credit to him for coming on after last season.
What a great interview! Very honest. I feel the club is finally in a steady footing. Great manager and some great players in. We will be a lot bette off in the long term. Only blot is the left back situation which beggars belief.
Great interview square ball and as everyone is saying fair play to him for coming on the show !
Class from Angus, very sincere i thought. Loved the 'twat? But not ever a Tory' . Never going to directly throw Orta under the bus , but body language said a lot. His & the clubs intentions for the season look very positive. A little patience will pay off.
Great interview and fair play to Angus in fronting up. Definitely see him in a different light now.
Well done for getting him on guys and asking the difficult questions, and kudos to him for doing it. Some interesting points in there we didn't know which shed some light on why seemingly crazy decisions were made. Ive always felt Angus has the best interests of the club at heart and hope this is the start of a new trajectory for the club. Daniel Farke hit the nail on the head when he said we need to get back to what we lost when Bielsa left. The club, board, Management and fans all as one. MOT
Listened on audio, can't praise the interview well done to all 3 of you! Got these annual interviews down to a tee now.
Is the word “enough” missing after interview?
Can Angus play left back??
😂
Yes but he’ll refuse to do so in keeping with the tradition
Incredible interview asking lots of deep routed questions too which we've all been begging to get answers on. Very impressed with the questions and Angus' responses!
One criticism was wouldn't of minded hearing a question about why we actually didn't sign a left back or if we wanted Hamer and that didnt work why didn't we go for another CAM? Potentially the missing piece this year if it doesn't work out.
Great Interview! respect to all 3 of you. gonna be a good season! Lets go!
Great interview and credit to Angus. He knew what was coming and didn't have to be shot at but conducted himself very well. No tiptoeing around the frustrations of the fans. Just brilliant interviewing by the cast of TSB. I think Angus needed a glass of water as definitely a lot of dry mouth noises coming from him. Don't mind someone fronting up in the face of adversity. Great insight into what has gone on. Thank you chaps for the compelling podcast 👍
Really enjoyed listening to this, you asked him some good tough questions but fair play to Angus, answered all of them
Great stuff guys... questions were direct and honest and respect to Angus for his honesty answering.. especially around transfers.. its not the club its the player.. and fair play get rid.. I thought that we needed to get through the transfer window.. to let Daniel and the squad crack on with the season.... MOT
Thanks team, difficult interview to conduct and you did so very well. Respect to Angus for fronting up
Really good interview topics covered were exactly what was needed to known by us Leeds fans feeling go for the rest off the season after that MOT
Great interview, well done Angus for fronting up and answering all the questions. I'm more positive about the season after listening to him. I'm glad he dispelled the nonsense that Bielsa didn't want new players. He wanted a new squad!
When the Leeds board sacked Bielsa all the questions were all wrong. Results had been awful and fans were asking why is Bielsa doing this and that? Bielsa hadn't changed, but the board hadn't listened to him and acted on his advice. It is quite obvious now that the problem was the board, the owners and directors and not Bielsa. The board acted shamelessly in sacking him when they were entirely at fault. Hang your head Angus, you were there on the board. Et tu, Brute?
Problem is the big guy is too classy to slag from them off and they won't own up.
Was it not just an issue of money? Bielsa made it clear he had a 2 year plan (which he delivered perfectly) but the club would then need to provide the huge cash injection to overhaul the team with 50 mill plus players to stay in the premier league. Radrizani never had the wealth necessary to make this happen. It was never an option and therefore the outcome (failure to maintain premier league status) was inevitable. Had it been the 49ers who owned the club at that time things could have been different.
You say the board didn't listen to him and act on his advice.... his advice was to buy a new team. I've never heard such autistic advice as that in my life.
You cannot buy a new team at any time, much less in your second year as a premier league team.
If the 49ers had taken full control in the summer of 2021 then maybe they could have spent and bought enough good players to keep us going under biesla.
But for him to suggest buying a new team to his owner when he knows his owner hasn't got much money and we've not long come out of the championship. Is plain special needs 🤷♂️🤷♂️
Excellent interview. Great questions and didn't leave a stone unturned without being overly aggresive.
Very good interview. Questions were pitched just right.
Great interview and I look forward to seeing all the ideas in place in the future 👌🏻
Great stuff. Informative and feel better about things going forward now 💪
Fabulous interview. Very honest and admitted where mistakes were made.
Fabulous that he realises his mistakes almost three years too late, another serial loser it seems
Agree with most of the comments. PLUS - we know having a 7 year old son who’s grown up around Leeds and is a fan = a long term commitment to LUFC (that young man is likely to be a Leeds fan forever AND his Dad knows it)
Best bit: Master Kinnear “Dad, why don’t you just sign a left back!?” 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Fair play to Angus for having the bollocks to put himself in the firing line here.
About time?
@@Ohmydayyshe has done it for a few years now and has come across as genuine and has answered everything we’d asked. Noones done perfect but he’s been the most chivalrous in his approach out of the gang. My opinion
@@Cranndaddy being the best of a bad bunch isn’t an achievement, he should never work in the game again. All happy with him because he speaks like an MP👍🏼
@@OhmydayysYou wonder at the intelligence of some in the fan base.
@@jonnysmyth1011 can’t be people that actually care about the club, the money we’re paying for that circus
For anyone who hasn’t seen, Radrizzani is complaining about Angus on twitter because of this interview, clearly he’s been back on the Pinot and just can’t let it go
Excellent interview. Spicy yet appreciative questions! Increased my already high esteem of you guys, and increased my valuation of AK. We still won't get auto promoted. We're not the only decent team in the CS
Brilliant interview, very clear why certain decisions were made, whether right or wrong he gave us good insight into why. Feels good to get some answers.
Fantastic interview and I'm proud of Angus. Tough job but faces it head on. I think he's spot on in terms of supporting professional footballers that want to be at the club, irrespective of form. Support features on both sides.
Great interview,very honest answers and should give the fans confidence going forward.This club is incredible.M.O.T.
Great by Angus. Well done all and good to hear. Have some confidence around the club
The Square Ball has no rivals..... It exists in and has created its own space.....
One omission lads: you did not ask Angus if Nick Hammond will be retained for a permanent job. That is a very relevant and current question of great interest.
Great interview and much more respect for AK after that ..
and a big up to the square ball boys …
Massive well done for securing this .
Like Angus or not.. he's the only one with the balls to stand up and be a man
Absolutely ridiculous. He’s been paid half a million quid to be a bag of shite
Are you mad?
Fool
He still a Twat, balls ‘n’ all!
18 mins in, it's corporate speak, towing the line.
Great interview and respect to Angus for doing this. Well done.
What happened in the dressing room against palace when the whole thing turned to shit
Brilliant interview guys. Great questions. Fair play to Angus.
I agree with him. One toxic fan against a player, creates two toxic fans, against two players. The toxic fans grow, they target players and it damages the squad. The toxic fans are a disgrace, its became a social media problem that other clubs fuel also.
I think the part about Bielsa wanting a complete squad overhaul of 40/50 million pound players feels quite hyperbolic unless it was in the context of ‘how do you think we kick on and get into Europe next year Marcelo?’ The man is a football purist but he’s not got his head in the clouds, he’d have known that was never a realistic request. I also doubt he’d have wanted a complete squad overhaul, I can’t imagine a scenario after the 2020/21 season where he wanted to replace any of Meslier, Raphinha, Phillips, Harrison, Rodrigo, possibly even Bamford, Koch and Dallas after the seasons they had. We also know he’s not a man who historically sticks around when things aren’t being run his way, so if he asked for let’s say £150/300 million worth of investment for a full squad overhaul and what he got was Dan James and Junior Firpo I think he’d have walked before the 2021/22 season even began, his stock was never hire he could have walked into most jobs he’d have wanted anywhere.
Recall report Marcelo actually stated he had extracted from & the boys had given their collective maximum no? Extrapolation - full squad overhaul when viewed from Angus position?
@@christopherwilkinson893 I understand if he thought most of the guys who’d been there from the beginning would be burnt out and they needed overhauling (and he was right) but he wouldn’t have been looking to replace the players who’d signed in the first year of the premier league. I think he likely would have wanted 4 or 5 players to replace the likes of Klich, Ayling, Cooper, Alioski, gradually which is far less unreasonable.
@@harveyholmes9533 What I think is you are doing what most fans do---speculate on things we know nothing about since we were not in the room to hear anything. Angus' interview clearly shows how little fans do know about inside working and complexities, of these massive clubs like ours, The fact is, you, me everyone just pin idealistic traits on Bielsa because we love him so much, and inferring one thing from unrelated other things is not a valid way of looking at what he requested of Radz. What is more likely is the truth is somewhere in the middle, and lost in translation. Bielsa had been publicly on nrecord several times in his career saying his methods only worked for so long, and LUFC was a totally new experience for him to be at one place for so long, so even he had no clue how to deal with what ended up happening to him the season he was sacked.
Great interview. And hats off to you Angus for putting yourself out there. Bold prediction at the end.
A very good interview. Love him or hate him, at least he came and faced up. How many other CEOs do that I wonder? Minor annoyances for me were that there was far too much Victor Orta chat and that you didn't ask the million dollar question. What really happened at half time against Palace? 🙂
Wow, super interview. Thank you guys, and big thank you yo Angus
Respect, great piece of work
Really enjoyed the interview, great job guys, and I actually like Angus Kinnear tbf, hopefully now we can concentrate on the season ahead.
Respect to Angus for doing this. Seems more humble and honest this time round, hoping we're on the right track now. Mot
Brilliant interview guys thank you
Angus you have got it very wrong if you think the recruitment for Bielsa was good. The whole responsibility for the success of those players rested with Marcello himself. The guy was a magician. That team was a mid table Championship side that he made perform at 200% of their real capacity. Nothing to do with player recruitment at all, and what's worse is, you let him go.
Watch the interview again. The recruitment was good enough to get us to 9th in the Premier League, then Bielsa wanted a new squad of players the club couldn't afford. Nothing would have been good enough for him at that point because Radrizzani didn't have enough money to pay for them. The (understandable) mistake was to persevere with Bielsa for another season knowing that they didn't give him what he wanted at that point. The hope was the squad would come through, but it didn't.
@@EnglishMikethe mistake was radz should have sold up when we finished 9th and let’s also add to the context the year we finished 9th there was no fans that definitely played a part for me.
@@JamieLowe-xp1le Sure, but you have to admit that it would have been a really tough decision for any owner invested in the club to make. Radz isn't a faceless corporation only concerned about how much profit he could make from the sale. He was riding high from three great years of progress and Leeds' form at the end of the season (after the fans were back) was the best it had been all season.
Nobody was sounding the alarm back then. It's only with hindsight people are saying he should have sold, just like I know now that I shouldn't have sold my 100 shares of Apple stock I owned 30 years ago.... _sigh_