What If Intelligence Re-Emerges?
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- Опубликовано: 28 май 2024
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Astronomers are on a quest to search for life in the Universe. Two different pathways lay ahead for this hunt, biosignatures and technosignatures. Today, we discuss the arguments for and against each and consider that intelligence could be a far more persistent phenomenon that we might naively think - with important consequences for astronomers...
Written and presented by Prof David Kipping of Columbia University
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::Chapters::
00:00 Prologue
01:40 The Search for Life
06:22 Sponsorship
07:14 Biosignatures Versus Technosignatures
11:44 Intelligence Persistence
25:07 Outro and credits
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Thanks so much for watching everybody, and thanks to our sponsor - head to www.Brilliant.org/CoolWorlds to learn more! Let me know down below whether you think intelligence could persist and whether NASA should fly a technosignature mission?
After watching my Dad go to work his whole life at NASA/JPL I’ve come to the conclusion that NASA should invest $10billion into a space prob which will be searching for the technosignature. It’s only logical given the expense being plowed into the James Webb Space Telescope. Cover both your bases, not just one.
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to add to the argument technosignatures would not be limited to just planets, similar to voyager program there could be beacons and what not moving about if there is other intelligent life
My take on this is. Biosignature's are easier for humans to detect, and we have the technology to achieve this across the universe
Technosignatures on the other hand would be harder for humans to detect, to the point that humans probably do not have the advanced technology to detect Alien technosignatures.
Thankyou for giving us another great video cool worlds. Respect
"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." - Douglas Adams
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There is a theory that if the universe is ever worked out it will vanish and be replaced by something even more inexplicable. There is another theory that this has already happened.....more than once.
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My initial reaction to the title, "What If Intelligence Re-Emerges?" -
Someone finally seeing that somewhere along the line it disappeared.
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I would add a fourth parameter: Loudness
To detect, say, the excess oxygenation of a particular planet, we need to look directly at that planet, and we can only do this out to some fairly limited distance. Such limitations seem likely to hold for most biosignatures.
But imagine if we were to see, say, a line of 100 supernova remnants, each explosion separated by perhaps 10 years of time and 5 (or 10, or 20) light-years of distance. Such a thing would be detectable many galaxies away, and would stand out to even the most casual of observing societies.
A society may simply want to say, "I'm here", loudly and unmistakably. Or this might be done for war, or science, or art, or who knows why. But these will be visible in a way no biosignature could possibly match.
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I agree
Yeah, sometimes it's great, and others i just end up in an existential black hole. Sometimes LITERALLY a black hole.
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As most people are suggesting in one way or another, you have an amazing way of bringing understanding to these concepts that I've never really seen before. I watch this kind of content all the time, but Cool Worlds is now my favorite channel! Please keep them coming.
One issue with technosignatures is that it could be hard to know what to look for. Radio waves and lasers might be outdated after a few hundred years. Dyson swarms are pretty speculative, maybe energy is not the limiting factor for super advanced intelligence. It's all speculation.
His lifes work is mostly comprised of looking for techno-sigs so its obvious hes pretty salty aha.
@@16xthedetail76 doesnt seem salty to me at all
@@Burbanana He is.
Exactly what I was coming to say. We're moving away from long range radio waves already. Most signals are done with satelites (short range) and fiberoptics. Bio is 100% the way to go. I feel like if were going to discover a tech sig itll kinda just happn
@@stevenbrodeur3023 Pretty shallow way of thinking about it and also like you dont even know what you're talking about. Simple fact is bio sigs are easily clouded and picked up whereas techno sigs are not. Do i need to give you a prep lecture?
Voyager 1 & 2 are techno monuments that will outlive earth itself
Probably true. But a minor drawback, from the point of view of detecting technosignatures: they're teeny-tiny, extremely hard to spot.
@@peNdantry they're hidden in vast darkness yes. They're is no gravitational signature etc. It's like finding a single grain of sand floating 2 miles below ocean surface. Chances are it would never be found and possibly be destroyed at some point. Perhaps it's best bet would be to get grabbed in an orbit around a distant star. And what a red herring that would be!! If 10 billion years from now it is found orbiting another star system 3 billion light years away, then "they" may think it originated from that star system and look hopelessly at each planet and moon within. The thought experiment lends credence to idea of extra cellular "sperm" spreading life across galaxy, like dandelion seed puff caught in wind
@@SoulDelSol Earth will recapture it in future like 40-50 million years
If obviously it survives.its not going interstaller too slow for that.though television signals we have been droadcasting has gone interstaller creating a 70 light year sphere around Earth.
Voyager 1 & 2 are our ʻOumuamua gifts to another intelligent species out in the abyss. Just sayin ;)
@@peNdantry you know our sun is rotating around Galaxy Earth will catch it back .
We should also have searches for Technosignatures especially one looking at our closest star systems. Technosignatures could essentially outlive their makers if any extinction event were to happen and would be a waymarker for us in the right direction to search for intelligent lifeforms.
It is always difficult when dealing with a sample size of one. We only have one sample of a life genesis and one sample of intelligent technologically capable life. So, I agree that given any decision we make to search for life is highly speculative at this point, so I think it is there is a sound rational argument to diversify our search as widely as possible . I was skeptical but you convinced me that some significant portion of our search for should include techno signatures.
Prof. Kipping, your knowledge, your calm enthusiasm for the subject matter, your clarity of communication, your respect for the listener's intelligence, and your production value are always a breath of ionized air and a source of inspiration. You're one of my favorite science explainers, up there with Sagan and Tyson. Thanks for this brilliant channel, a gift to science enthusiasts all over the world.
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Being a Space Enthusiast since I was 8 years old, I have an insatiable appetite for everything space. Considering I`m now 77 and in 2 weeks I will be 78 I`m now waiting to see what happens next with space. Elon Musk has been busy filling in all the dreams of all us space-focused enthusiasts. But so are the astronomers who have recently discovered exoplanets of all kinds. I`m hoping that I live long enough to see the last chapter of the Space saga with a trip to mars and the discovery of life on another world on one of the exoplanets we are discovering. My older sister has already passed the dividing line which means you are taking after My mother`s family and not my Dad`s at around 80 or 79. My mother lived to be 95. So David, keep at it so I get to see the last chapter.
Hey Gary, im 20 and in the same boat as you. I feel that I can die happily in peace once life is discovered outside of our own, whether it's large multicellular organisms, or even just microscopic life elsewhere.
Hope this year has been good to your space enthusiast side! I can't wait to see what the future has coming. My best wishes.
Gary, I was aged 9 when my headmaster ushered us into the school hall and made us sit down in front of the black and white TV to watch the moon landing. I was lucky to push and shove onto the front row. Since that day my dreams have been in the stars. I became a career combat pilot with the express desire of getting an exchange posting to the US space program but sadly a shortage of such places at my time meant no joy for me. I am now 62 and like you, want to see man venture to Mars. I wish Musk would get rid of his current distraction and concentrate on the great work he was doing. Just to find life, simple organisms even would show me we are not alone in this vast universe. Maths and probability would suggest we are. I hope not, so much beauty to see and discover if only humans could just grow up. I hope you see your dreams too.
Hope you're doing well Gary
C’mon man. Colonizing mars is not only suboptimal, but unrealistic. But if Musk et al 🤡 want use THEIR OWN $$ on mars have at it (plot twist, they won’t!).
Your balance of storytelling and ‘to-the-point’ science is absolutely perfect!
I love this channel. Keep up the great work.
And I use work explicitly because this isn't simply content. Investigating, theorizing, and presenting this information in an enthralling way is all the rave.
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If I were to stare at the mirror of eriset, what will i have in my pocket?
Designed like everything
@@annedrieck7316 David Beckham
finna get dat philosophy on yo
I would insert a further parameter: the revolution inherent in the discovery. While the biosignature is considered by many to be an almost inevitable stage in the future conquests of humanity and would already represent a good cultural trauma for some of us, the technosignature would radically and forever change the very conception of humanity. It would be the ultimate revolution. A milestone in our history. So, let's shake this tree from the ground up, investing in the technosignature's research.
Yes good point, the "reward" is higher with technosignatures so you've proved not only life but a specific type of life.
Their would surly be negative impacts on humanity at first, how would it effect religion? But your right it would be a complete revaluation.
@@benchasinghorizons9428 That is true, it will have negative effects. However, religions should discuss it within themselves, seeing as many within each religion believe in extraterrestrial life in addition to their faith.
Many of those 100% against aliens are boomer-age, so I think that too will get better when.. they pass.
@@benchasinghorizons9428 yes, but if my cynical side prevails, I'm afraid that the discovery of biosignatures could be classified at the end as an easily predictable phenomena, boring an audience that is always hungry for novelty, for surprising news. While the discovery of technosignature would be more difficult to be forgotten whole and submerged by a thousand other daily news that try to amaze. Obviously my considerations are extremely reductive. I greatly respect the work of the intellectualis on this field. I'm just afraid of how this news would be treated by the media.
@@MrAcarlo Yes, but anyone with any kind of ability to ignore the media will understand the benefits and not have the wool pulled over their eyes, so to speak. The media might convince people of untruths, or take the topic out of context, but many people are smart enough to not be fooled by it, especially if they're particularly interested in that subject.
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Excellent video and fascinating topic. Your delivery is cogent and very well narrated. Well done!
David, you and your podcast, Cool Worlds, are simply the best.
What podcast?
Event horizon tho
he has a podcast?
Podcast??
I dont think he has. But he has appeared as guest on several. Event horizon among others.
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I was intrigued by the argument that intelligence will "evolve" into the AI realm when in high school and I read "Profiles of the Future" by Arthur C. Clarke. I read this in 1964 and the book was already in paperback so it predates that. I suggest that searches for techno-signatures be life agnostic.
Life agnostic, meaning unrelated to how it came to be? Generally accepted as functional across all scientific disciplines, like mathematics?
AI harnessing renewable power would create a huge biological signature on a pristine planet. Why would it risk a technological signature?
abccbc11 I too read this book but mistook the title as the myth that intelligence does not die but rather ever flows in the worldview of every intelligent being, a sort of curse of immortality, and am disappointed to see that I am wrong about its subject matter. Loved the book, though.
@@alphalunamare What it?
Whose to say ' it" is a bio signature. It could be that a machine created AI was encoded long after all life ceased to exist, tasked to building a chain of planetary
temporalities metaphorically speaking, barring of course the philosophical implausibilities for us of eternal servitude paying homage to some super narcissist of a god.
We all have our own real life versions here on earth to keep us occupied in perpetual debate while we await to learn the various methods of our demise. Sorry, but sooner or later there will be a black hole super nova cosmic event that will expunge all life in our solar system. That is a given.
As for the universe, odds are that will also have one jolly violent encore of a going away party. Hence, "it" is a moot point..
@@andrewzanas9387 Of course no one can say whether the glass is either half full or half empty. I err on the side of the I in AI being intelligent and able to learn from human mistakes. Other's might err on the side of original programming much like creationists do. I would think that any sensible AI at one with the planet and all its biosphere would be very careful about letting Earth's existance be known to extraterrestrial 'biological intelligence' given knowlege of the absolute carnage caused by such here.
I vote Bio-Signatures. More chance of finding something, although more ambiguous, to show for the funding and keeping the project alive. Techno-Signatures seems more of a long shot, although it shouldn't be ignored either.
But wasnt Earth full of Carbon dioxide before the "Great Oxygenation"?
I wonder what upgrades to the current technosignature apparatus we have on earth (SETI) David would recommend. We have hundreds of radio and video telescopes set to detect all sorts of particles and gravitational changes but if there is something to detect they ain't detecting it. Sure, we've detected a few neutron stars dancing the tango and intercept (unintentionally) a comet or meteor every year or so but that ain't what we're looking for. I wonder what the class requirements were for those who have degrees in astrobiology. They show up as experts every so often on the Science channel. It wasn't offered when I went through college close to 45 years ago.
@@evilbetty9204 Of course. It was the substrate for photosynthesis. We had to learn the differences in the photosynthesis cycle and the Kreb's cycle (oxygen consumed and CO2 given off) human reaction. We live codependent on plant life and they depend on us - outside of the oxygen production that occurs elsewhere in nature. Note that oxygen is a poison AND giver of life in humans. Remember - it is an oxidative (destructive) chemical and the very basis of anti-oxidants sold for billions every year. An oxygen level of 50% was necessary to sustain the dinosaurs due to their massive size. The same atmospheric level would prevent humans and smaller mammals from developing/evolving. We do well with 21%. The athletes huffing and puffing with the oxygen masks are slowly damaging their lungs over time as those things deliver up to 50% to 90% oxygen. Oh, and at 17:10 great image of Jerrold Nadler.
Your videos brings in me a form of serenity wrapped in contemplation, igniting imagination and curiosity.
Thank you!
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I think that a bio signature mission is a great first step in discovering life outside our solar system. It would give astronomers a place to look. From there, a techno signature mission could be developed to explore regions of space where bio signatures were detected.
Great logic, then, remember the prolog of Arthur C Clarke "3001", we will never detect them !!
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I just got to this in October 2021; it was a great analysis of the debate about how best to find intelligent life elsewhere in the universe. The arguments put forward to indicate the need for money to fund more inquiry into techno-signatures was compelling. Thank you.
Wonderful video! Great job working towards inspiring openness towards new ideas.
I've always try to enjoy new ideas that make you question your previous notions.
Recently I've been mulling the idea that civilization is what's key to techno signatures but civilization is the thing that isn't persistent. Maybe there are multiple relatively intelligent problem solvers in our galaxy but few organize into societies which would elevate them to create techno signatures.
been watching for a few weeks and finally subscribed. I like the tone, theme and philosophical approach to the science topics you present. keep it up! :)
When Earth becomes uninhabitable, whether it is because of our actions or the sun's expansion, we have plenty of other places in our solar system we could survive in. If humans set up colonies on every viable icy rock like Mars, Ceres, Ganymede, Enceladus, Europa, Pluto, etc. we could continue to emit technosignatures for billions of years after Earth has stopped giving off biosignatures.
I think that terraforming (or even dome habitation) is a lot more difficult than a lot of science fiction makes it out to be, especially for long term habitation and colonization. It's not just creating livable atmospheric conditions and radiation shielding, creating healthy micro-biomes and sustainable plant and animal ecosystems will be very challenging. The Expanse makes a nod to this with its colony collapse subplot that directly alludes to how fragile artificial ecosystems can be, and this can be the death knell for a space or extra-terrestrial human outpost.
@@Vasharan We have billion of years to figure that out tho. Plus you don't even need to colonize a planet we could just build space habitats
@@Vasharan Vast majority of people will live on rotating space habitats. Having a planet being used as a place to live is a waste of resources. Better to use that planet to build space stations.
This was the thing I was thinking of the whole segment and was hoping he would mention something. Planetary chauvinism is real in this one.
@@grimjowjaggerjak The problems don't go away in space habitats. If you are going to grow food or use plants to produce oxygen, you still end up with fragile ecosystems that can collapse because we neglected a key element (rhizomal bacteria, fungal commensals, pollinators, pest eaters etc.). And even then, humans rely a lot on gut and commensal bacteria that help us digest our food, absorb nutrients and vitamins, ward off infections, keep our immune system sufficiently occupied) etc.
Island populations of humans on O'Neill cylinders will also start to diverge from each other until contact can become fatal to either the humans (cf smallpox vs the Aztecs and Native Americans, Spanish Flu, Corona, etc)or the plant and animal ecosystems (cf Dutch Elm, Rinderpest in wildebeest and cattle, Myxomatosis in rabbits, facial tumors in Tasmanian devils, etc). And that's not even going into how much harder it is to keep a small closed system going with recycled air, water, minerals vs losses to space and thermodynamic limits.
Terrific video....I am a avid reader/viewer of everything regarding our universe....I also then viewed more of you're videos.....every one is so well developed and chock full of solid info. Keep them coming...you have a new friend. I wish I could live over again to witness our space processes & findings...hopefully I will know about it somehow.
I love the visuals in this video. It really gives off a great atmosphere along with the rest of the video
it would be interesting to see a video on the pros and cons of each techno signature approach.
I wouldn't be surprised if the most reliable techno signatures could also be detected by the instruments that would be used to detect Bio signatures.
paul van dyk is the best techno signature.
I watch these in my free time, really helps relieve the boredom of the armys f'd up teaching system
Hooah!
We won't have the technology to accomplish anything like this with the next Stone age looming. Yes there are people who will survive. But crawl back to what we take for granted now. Next to impossible. Watch the Disaster Series on RUclipss Suspicious Observers. The intelligence behind this series is of your caliber of Science even of Astrophysics
Getting my DD214 next week. Keep strong
My two youngest sons are both in the Army now and I'm not impressed with the things I hear about training today. I was in the Air Force and served in Vietnam and our training was so DIFFERENT, we were trained to SUPPORT our country and combat the enemy, not so much today. Do your best to change the thinking from the new recruits, if possible.
@@michaelmitchell4675 it’s ridiculous these days. I’m training for cyber ops and they literally have no idea what their doing because they switched from the airforce joint training to an army training system cuz it’s cheaper.
Thanks for yet another great video. I think your arguments about potentially repeated emergence of intelligence were compelling.
The thing about listening to your voice is calming and soaking in to view of many idea's about the whole universe
We should definitely follow both signature types, it's a no brainer in my mind. Everytime we add new ways of looking at our universe we learn more.
Yet again my favourite person saying something so interesting
And he really knows that interesting something he's talk about
Thank you for making these beautiful videos
And thank you very much for the work your doing giving people new ideas.
Another great video. I think if we find intriguing signs of biosignatures, investment in searching for technosignatures won't be far behind. At our current level of technology, traveling to those systems is out of the question, so a strong biosignature detection would almost certainly spark interest in a follow-up attempt at technosignature detection.
This is very interesting. I have to admit, I was firmly in the biosignature camp before, since a technological civilisation would likely require biosignatures anyway. And even if no one else thinks alien plants and animals could be endlessly fascinating, I do. I'm a huge fan of speculative evolution works (it was cool to see you referencing Dougal Dixon's groundbreaking series, btw). However, you bring up a good point that technosignatures may be a lot longer-lasting than we (rather pessimistically) assume. Also, there could be technosignatures in places hostile to Earth-like biosignatures, if space-faring cilvisations have colonized places like, say, proto-planetary disks around young stars (a.k.a. mega-sized asteroid belts) purely for resources. It's a remote possibility, yes, but not impossible.
I still think looking for biosignatures first is probably the best bet, but don't forget to look in the more unusual parts of the universe. You never know what you might find.
I've Always enjoy your videos... Thank you
Your videos are amazing and so insightful!
I find it interesting that we assume that other technologically advanced societies would follow similar paths that we use. Using combustion engines and similar farming practices with similar societal structures. Using radio waves e.t.c.
But even the differences in humanity's technologies between regions are pretty diverse. The big feature for support of progress seems to be infrastructure. Time for imagination and resources to implement our ideas. We needed mass production or mass dissemination of information as well.
But different societal structures would certainly breed different paths and different ends. A lot of convergent and divergent evolution. I think we need to expand our vision of possibilities to really see what might be either in the future or from something alien.
Aliens may fly by us and never see our radio signals because they never used them. They went a different route. Sure maybe they discovered them but they are but a footnote in a long forgotten history as many of our discoveries actually are as well.
The good thing is that physics are universal; so more than likely any intelligent life coming about with the ability to see patterns and innovate tools from the perceptions will follow a similar path to humans in technology.
Even other animals that create tools have a similar technological pattern as humans: apes making stone tools.
It's quite unlikely that alien life will some how make vastly different technology that uses some unknown forces or methods. There are issues with the economics of the problems we have already solved. So that is to say, the economic issues of those problems would first have to be solved by alien intelligent life.
Combustion as a method of preforming work is pretty primitive. Even crows can understand primitive hydraulics.
Great comment! I totally agree, what if there's something that's still undiscovered that all the aliens are using?
Just wanna let you and anyone who comes across this comment know that we're building a platform to "map" all these different possible paths, with a technology called enolve. Because if we don't have a map, how would we know where to begin looking for alternatives?
@@pizzadoctor7549 this assump is also based on the limited knowledge in physics that humans have grasped. The universe is beyond vast. But my guess. The time it takes civilization to form other civilizations have came and crumbled. Some galaxies further than we know as the light traveling from them still takes millions of years and are already beyond our reach. Never to be discovered as the universe grows in size and seems to accelerate as well. We could very well be faced with the fact that space exploration beyond the galaxy may prove to be impossible as by the time we develop the means of travel many galaxies could already be out of reach accelerating faster than we can catch up.
Imagine if they ate rocks, how much would that change their agriculture.
@@KillerKegsey1 This is actually more constrained than the tech/physics
Life is not that divergent , which is why we see places on earth void of life , the interior of Antarctica or mountain tops
You can't power much aside from a few bacteria strains with rocks
Life has an incredibly tight range and requires extraordinary ecological balance
We can see this on earth , no one animal can truly be stronger than the rest , or that is the only organism you would have left and then they would quickly go extinct because no one species is a perpetual energy machine.
I will give you a fun example people often swim and boat in the sea and lakes for recreation. In the temperate zones this has a season , generally June through September in the northern hemisphere. But people get excited and they try to go earlier or later. A family were boating in the early summer /late spring before the water has warmed up they took their dog aboard on a four hour boat trip through open sea, due to the sound of the motor , nobody heard their dog fall in the water , the dog swam for days before being found by a fishing vessel and was reunited with it's family. In the same sea , a group of cold water swimmers went swimming in a group of 20 in the late summer early fall , when actually average water temperatures are near their highs , maybe a few degrees cooler , unfortunately the water was rough causing cold swells , and in under 10 minutes the group of expert swimmers in the cold water swim club were separated many couldn't reach the shore from only a few meters away and roughly 7 of the 20 or so cold water swimmers died , in under an hour. Sure humans have technology , humans study and practice swimming , sure humans have great communication , but even if you had dropped an Olympian into the middle of the sea in spring with the water at its coldest they wouldn't survive a few days , the dog did , with nothing , the dog likely didn't even know he was on a boat in the sea before falling.
This plays into the divide between physicists and biologists neither one generally know enough about the others expertise to make good guesses and theories on extra terrestrials
It makes me kind of sad that I was born at the very beginning of technological advancement. What I would give to see and experience all the new things in the future
We are already experiencing alot of stuff than our greatgrandfathers!!
I guess this sentence always holds true.
You need to make more videos .....Love all of them.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge .
A techno signature mission would be a great idea! Esp. once we start being able to resolve surface detail on rocky exoplanets.
Personally I really hope intelligence stays around, at least long enough to set up a way to Von-Neuman seed the rest of the galaxy with life, even if it's just lichens, that'd be enough to kick off evolution on those planets.
Cool thought, just our tech is way below that level yet. To see the visual detail of planets, in pretty much any wavelegth would require a telescope with diameter surpassing that of the Earth. To see it in visible or infrared or ultraviolet light, it would take an eye bigger than the Solar system. It depends on the length of the waves collected, which renders the resolution far too low. Same reason we cannot discern molecules or atoms in the visible light microscopes.
Of course, there is combining many distant telescopes, as we did to see that first black hole, which really was the closest and biggest available. Still, not much detail we could calculate out of all the data available from the telescopes capable of far shortest wavelegths than light across the Earth. For us now everything near other stars is far too far.
Still, we won't give up. There is so much we need to explore in our back yard, before shooting for the stars. If i had children, i'd say my descendants hopefully will have a chance. Reason i stopped being anti-natalist.
We should build all of them asap. I want to know...
I feel the same. I'd love to have this answer before I pass away. I'm not too old so it could happen. (I'm hoping)
As a new comer to you channel I really enjoy your videos. I would certainly say that yours if the best for content and the manor it's presented. I love how deep your material is.
I very much appreciated your presentation. Thank you
Thanks for creating this amazing series David! In response to your question as to whether or not there will be a greater longevity to our species, I do not have an optimistic view. Frank Fenner, who is renowned for the smallpox vaccine discovery, predicted that due to his great invention there would be a species collapse due to lack of resources. He likened our future to that of Easter Island . The Global Footprint project is a collaboration of scientists throughout the world dedicated to determining how quickly this Holocene extinction will take. They now have found that it takes an Earth and a half of resources to feed the people in this present day. It is no wonder that Arecibo never discovered a signal before it was dismantled. I’m on the side of finding some sort of biological signal and you hit it on the head when you mentioned oxygen as a the component for that discovery.
As usual, a very interesting video; I personally have moved to thinking that intelligence is rare, but even very rare, say 1 in 100 000 planets having an intelligent species still means an enormous number out there. Now is an extremely exciting time to live in!
If you further assume that only 1/10 of the intelligent life is smart enough to have a space program and that only 1/5 of them are interested in colonising the galaxy, then that's 1/5,000,000 civiliations that wants to colonise space. So, a few hundred civil ations in the galaxy and maybe only a handful of them in our part of the galaxy. Maybe 80% of them are already extinct. So, we are down to just one or two active colonising civiliations in our part of the universe.
Your math leaves out a too many variables I would suggest at a minimum starting with the basic variables in the Drake Equation and even that may be too simple. In the Drake Equation all you need is for one of those variables to be zero or 1 for the result to be we are the only intelligent life in the universe. So, while at a quick glance the huge numbers makes that seem like a egocentric and ridiculous conclusion, when you proceed step by step through the Drake Equation variables all you need is one of those variables toward the end to be "the great filter". One variable that is a 0 or 1 in that equation which gives you the result that we are alone, and thus far, it is what our observations confirm. I hope we are not alone because if we are, what a tremendous responsibility we have.
Great presentation..why do I feel sad?
Thanks for your valuable thoughts..
2 hour drive back home while listening to David's videos. I can't think of a better way to spend my time..
Tremendous content and delivery. This guy is obviously well educated and has a passion for his work. Thank goodness he has the humanity to share with us his knowledge and thoughts. We are all richer for listening. Have yourselves a splendid day everyone.
It’s a rainy Monday morning and I’m on my way to work… but this video has strangely given me a lot of hope ❤
you explain everything so clear i love your channel
lets watch out for bio signatures first and when we have found some, we can still add another few technosignature searching devices.
I think biosignatures are important, but given how you might find a substance indication life doesn't mean life is there. Technosignatures would probably mean advanced life is there, how advanced would still have to be determined.
@@michaelmitchell4675 Or it could mean they are gone from that world
@@michaelmitchell4675 We have already discovered an outlier to our evolutionary tree of life, an arsenic based lifeform that lives in the volcanic vents rising from the sea floor.
I always put him on when I can't sleep and listen to his majestic voice!!
Thank you for the insight.
I definitely think intelligence is likely to be persistent, though the exact amount of intelligence in a species or a biosphere may vary up and down a fair bit due to natural selection. Realistically, human technological civilisation is likely to more or less persist too, with occasional step-change collapses, but no return to the stone age.
Great video and always love the info! However, based on human history all civilizations comes to an end for some reason. Maybe we can learn how to prevent that instead of letting it repeat itself, but looking at the world today, I can only assume at some point this civilization of ours will fall too.
but another will emerge
USA was a good idea that got out of hand, it will fall inevitably and be replaced by something better - seems to be the general pattern of history
Life is everywhere, we as a species haven’t noticed it yet. Our minds are limited to calling stuff like us as being alive rather than considering that the entire universe has a pulse if you think about all the movements within space
You have the PERFECT voice for what you do
The industrial revolution was based on wood, then coal. Oil is relatively later to the game.
Yes. And as a side note, many have debunked the peak oil estimates, some of which have said we are currently at peak oil production. Many of those models came out before many of the newer extraction technologies existed. Some believe now we have many hundreds of more years at the same or greater production rates we are at now, which should be well enough time for newer, cleaner technologies to take hold. The concern was always that we would run out of oil before its replacement was perfected. Newer models show otherwise, and I have to agree, as the progression of alternative energy sources has really ramped up of recent. This combined with a larger "window" for going about the old way should see us through just fine to the next great method of energy production.
Bio signature would probably be better but having said that if we merge with Ai or even become extinct, Ai could most definitely out live us. And for all the billions of planets that are a lot older then us, we might be better chasing the tecnosignatures in my opinion.
@Fire Ant Powersports it could be possible I can imagine.
@Fire Ant Powersports Why would you ever need a Generation ship to last thousand Generations? We won't even attempt manned-Interstellar travel until we have at least fusion-powered ships capable of achieving something like 10% the speed of light. At those speeds, travel to the nearest Stars should only take between several decades and a few centuries.
It's also possible that with medical advances, humans may live much longer in the future.
@Fire Ant Powersports So at 1g of acceleration, it would only take about 35 days to reach 10% light speed. Building a large spacecraft that could withstand 1G of acceleration does not require any exotic materials. The ship would not break apart during acceleration. The ship would only have to accelerate for 35 days and then just coast for the remainder of the trip. Once it nears its destination the ship would simply rotate so its engines were in the opposite direction to decelerate for 35 days to stop.
As far as a power source, Fusion should be sufficient to provide enough energy for the acceleration and deceleration of the ship. The biggest challenge however is radiating all the heat generated during acceleration.
The ship could have large drones with sensors sent several light seconds ahead of it to serve as a early warning system for larger Interstellar debris.
Interstellar dust is a danger, especially over a long periods of time, but can be mitigated. The ship could be placed inside an asteroid, providing the occupants with protection, as well as addtional resources for ship repairs. The ship could also be designed like a mushroom, with a large water-filled shell to serve as a shield.
Human life spans have been extending ever since the Industrial Revolution, and there's no reason to think that this will stop. A Future Humanity that has colonized the solar system would have access to exponentially more resources. Presumably the majority of future humanity would have access to proper nutrition as well as more advanced medical and psychological care. This is also ignoring the possibility of genetic engineering becoming widespread and further eliminating most diseases.
As far as AI raising human embryos, we don't even know if that could work. So much of early childhood development revolves around young children interacting with their peers as well as observing adults in society. We simply don't know how children would react to being raised without interaction from our larger society as a whole.
@Fire Ant Powersports You did bring up some really good points!
@Fire Ant Powersports No worries! I don't think you were preachy at all. I tend to be overly optimistic when it comes to space lol. But who knows, we might be able to have a cool sci fi space opera in our own solar system some day in real life.
This is the only program that my woman actually sat clean through and seemed genuinely interested in. Later on when I started to make small talk, about the episode "Stellar Highways " she had no idea what I was talking about . She doesn't have Alzheimers. I asked her if she thought I would whoop this guy in a fight. She said "I don't know maybe". Lol
It seems there was lots of time, effort and knowledge dumped into this video. I think it should have way more likes, definitely underrated.
Thanks for the informative video. I had a question: you make the case that techno-signatures could persist for a long time because intelligence itself persists. Isn't it also possible that techno-signatures could persist for a long time after the civilisation had died out? Of course there is the question of the time for the signal to travel... though I guess it only comes past someone sitting somewhere else in the Universe once. But in addition, surely it's not impossible to imagine that now already we ourselves, at our own level of technology, could have transmission devices set up independent of the survival of our own civilisation, or life on this planet? Instruments in space capable of broadcasting indefinitely using nuclear or solar? If that's the case then it further weakens the case for concentrating solely on biosignatures.
I hope the JW telescope is able to detect planets with life, and detects it. We would go from detecting the first exoplants to detecting the first 'exolife' in just a few decades.
That would make us the luckiest generation I think to see such a transformation in knowledge
Perhaps JWs successor can do this. By that point something like Starship will transport a device that big.
Detect detect detect detect
These videos are great for many reasons but especially because they are communicated so the average person can understand .
Awesome video, awesome subject!!!
Finally, something worth watching, and wonderful that input is requested.
Yes, investment into technosignature tech IS, in my opinion, paramount.
If we are going to search for intelligent life, we MUST throw at the problem resources, ideas.
But, the science community as a whole must stop being so naive, so narrow-minded, in their thinking as to how to approach this issue. All ideas should be given consideration. Only then will really great approaches be fleshed out.
Imagine a day where our telescopes become good enough to spot Dyson swarms in other solar systems.
James Webb telescope that will launch in a few months will be able to see the beginning of time and will be able to see if life is on other planets. It is 5 times bigger than hubble with massive mirrors.
@@FaceFcuk naaah.. it's a lot better but i don't think it can see any further as far as you've expected.
Anything that went past the horizon of the observable universe won't be able to out run the expansion of the universe. Anything beyond there won't be detected unless we Scifi technology
I'm not sure I want to discover an exoplanet technosignature that's persisted for more than a million years.
They probably wouldn't even recognise us as being intelligent. Oh the irony.
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good work. thank you
19:40 ...more likely, probable and achieved with less effort and difficulty will be energy derived from sources such as Thorium. While I am a big proponent of solar and hydro power the energy density of Thorium is more suitable to a large energy based society. At least with today's technology...
But when we screw it up before Musk's stupid idea of colonising Mars ... who is gonna keep the reactors from exploding and making life difficut for millions of years in the locality?
@@alphalunamare Thorium reactors don't explode. They aren't the same thing as pressurized water reactors...
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Geothermal is also an underappreciated and largely undeveloped energy source. Great for base load, where solar, wind, and tidal are not.
Advanced nuclear is clearly the future, especially for locations in the Solar System that are not close to the Sun, like Earth and Mars are.
In a sense, geothermal is nuclear and tidal power. The heat from formation would have dissipated a long ago.
When you think about it. If life ever wanted to exist on land or evolve at all, it needed to find a way to efficiently harness energy but it also had to create a way to live up there. So life literally invented Terraforming. Plants, Microbial life,
and they are currently the largest most efficient, reliant and advanced machine, perhaps in the entire galaxy. And You are part of it.
Hopefully we are a feature, not a bug
Thanks to mother nature. It is indeed a marvelous story that happened here on earth. And will continue in the future.
I thought about it, and I don't think it makes sense to characterize early life as "wanting" or "inventing" or "creating" something. Life did not need to move onto land to evolve because it was evolving before it did so. To me, it makes more sense to think about life moving to land for two major reasons: to avoid excess competition in the sea or to exploit abundant coastal resources.
Evolution is not about some end goal, rather, it is about adapting to changes in the environment through natural selection.
Wonderful and thoughtful content, as always. I come away from "Cool Worlds" videos feeling my mind has opened and I often find myself brainstorming. One thought that I have about the "technosignatures vs. biosignatures argument is that once a species (singular or plural) is able to control its own survival, environment, and energy sources, that this could, indeed, portend that they will survive indefinitely into the future. (Like in "Contact", Dr. Arroway would ask an extraterrestrial, "How did you do it...survive your technological adolescence?") We have already lived 75 years after the invention of the atom bomb...and we're still here. I find that encouraging. (And although I don't always agree with him, Steven Pinker's book, "Enlightenment Now" makes the argument that life on Earth - through science - has vastly improved for humans, not just for an elite few, but nearly every population, and is trending to get even better.
Well said, I would add the estimated time frame for a technological species just slightly ahead of our own could populate our entire galaxy with self replicating robots in approximately 100 million years, which is not that long at all.
Great lecture.
Appreciated.
I have always maintained a shotgun approach is best. Both bio and techno searches are viable. Do both.
Ok give them 20 Billion funding instead of 10 billion then
@@l1mbo69 or give them 10 billion but use start thinking on ways in which you could integrate starship and the step price drop into the design, by design a single 10 billion satelite if you can instead design one hundred 100 million dollar satelites that accomplish the same or even more and launch them in 100 starship launches