Is CrossFit causing health issues?
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@zacktelander & @AlignPodcast talked about how @crossfit and other fitness models invite the entrance to excess levels of fitness and obsession with healthy eating and lifestyle. This is my response to their comments. *Go check out their channels, they also have some really good stuff 😜
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Another benefit of the whiteboard is that it gives you the opportunity to celebrate others. When I saw another member achieved a personal best on the screen, I was able to celebrate with them
And about the whiteboard or results being open... AGAIN, in other sports too... Staying with my racing example : everyone sees each other's lap times... Playing football or any other (team)sport and the other team/person wins : you see the result and can be happy or unhappy about it... It's up to you and a bit your coach to make sure you deal with that in a healthy way!!!
Yeeees “that lies with the individual not the sport” EXACTLY. It exposes egos and teaches people to break them down
CrossFit confuses training for competition.
I hate whiteboards and scoring. There’s so much rep shaving, bad movements, no reps, and ego lifting. Plus, if you scale, there’s no clean way to record… did you scale the weights, did you go over time, did you swap out a movement?
THIS! My reasoning behind hating the whiteboard!
In our gym, many people use the whiteboard to track both track their performance and to get a feel where they compare to the other members of the gym. I know of folks in the later classes who look at scores from the earlier classes to get an idea of the score they can look to as a target. I agree with you 100 percent that the individuals who are so competitive that they push themselves beyond what they are safely capable of is an individual issue and not a CrossFit issue. They would do that no matter what sport/disciple they were attempting.
Great video, Wykie!!! I, too, follow Zak on RUclips. I really enjoy his weightlifting videos! That being said, I couldn't agree with you more. I absolutely coach my athletes in the same ways you discussed! An athlete that doesn't want to be coached is in the wrong place in my gym. When I began doing CrossFit three years ago, I couldn't help but fall in love with it. The community was the biggest piece of that! It had all the elements to push me to be my best. The community, the element of taking on a difficult task (wod, lift, etc) with others, the friendly competition with others and myself; it all took me back to how I felt in the military. That camaraderie is second to none. The whiteboard is such a great tool for so many reasons. In order to see and know progress, you've got to track your lifts and workouts. I encourage my athletes to put thorough notes into their recorded scores. If you weren't feeling great that day, had something bothering you, didn't sleep well the night before... note it! There's nothing better than being able to see progress over time. Of course posting publicly to the whiteboard isn't for everybody, but I still encourage athletes to keep track of their scores. Identifying even the slightest improvements adds so much. I also encourage them to record their lifts and metcons. See what you're doing well or what you're not. If one comes to my class, he or she will get coaching! I'm going to challenge an athlete, encourage and provide that uplift, but also identify areas for improvement. We all have something we want to be better at or achieve! Let's goooo! Keep roaring love and being a source of light in our awesome community of CrossFit!
Completely agree with your comments Wykie. Before even hearing your views, I was saying it all sounds like an individual's "ego" problem (and something I was guilty if when first starting out). A good coach will quickly pick up on those qualities and it's down to the individual to actually listen and take note or suffer the self made consequences.
As for the whiteboard, I'm all for it.
Definitely fuels healthy competition - I often spot those who I consider at a similar level and try to beat them, but it's not all it's for.
I love using it as guidance as I can quickly see what others have achieved and know where to aim for. If the "box gods" have struggled, I know to scale and get the most out of my workout.
It's also a good confidence booster if I've been on the first class of the day and my scores hold out by the end of the day. It's reassures me for sure that something is going right with my training.
Funny that he literally said it hurt his ego. Well, sir that is a YOU problem. Your response was flawless. These folks are talking about their minimal experience and an unhealthy individual’s obsession.
Agree with the white board thoughts on recording you had! Personally, if I ever feel like I didn’t do as well as I could have or didn’t finish a WOD I’m not forced to record it. Sometimes I won’t, but most days I do because it gives me a benchmark of how I did so that next time I can see if I improved.
CrossFit’s community is like none other, you said it best that this sport brings together folks from all walks of life and makes them feel like a family. It’s incredible. Great video Wykie!
On the heavy weights and poor technique topic: in one workout my instructor actually came and took some plates off my barbell and telling me that I have to "earn it" (I.e. get me my technique right first).
So for me CrossFit had helped me avoid heavy weight with poor technique.
Highlighting the problem with the individual, not the methodology! Nailed it!
Personally don't enjoy the public whiteboard scoring - the quote goes along the lines of, "You aren't competing against others but against yourself, or your previous self". Based on that I'm not comfortable having my scores up on the board, if anything it motivates me less, because I'm giving it my "all" already so the better scores on the board then seem unachievable. As opposed to me comparing my score to the last score and seeing progress, feeling good about it and motivated.
Let's be honest we look at the whiteboard. See our mate that done the AM sessions score and then we beat him by 2.5kg
Exactly. So while CF is about safely doing movements through coaching, togetherness, and fitness, there is a competition aspect in which some people will sacrifice form, etc. in order to outperform others. A person can keep his/her own whiteboard without others knowing the results and document their progress over time on paper or spreadsheet.
So frustrating when others blame a methodology for their own personal mental health issues. It goes back to taking personal responsibility.
100% on public scores. Healthy "competition" is a good thing in my opinion. It can help drive and motivate people to do more, try harder. Same with working out in a public box vs a home gym. At home, it is much easier to give up earlier when things start to feel a bit hard. At a public box where the coach is in your ear and your mates and the community are there encouraging you, it is easier to push that little bit more, that little bit harder to get better results.
Great breakdown of that video! On point!
Great video! 100% agree, lots of this depends on the person. I do think the CrossFit community (coaches and athletes) have a role in helping those issues be lessened for individuals.
I totally agree with you, Wykie. It’s the persons ego what the problem is. Not Crossift. Train harder if you want to outperform your Crossift buddy.
If you are an insecure person and/or overly competitive, that will emerge in whatever type of gym you go to. It’s not unique to CrossFit. Those types of athletes show up with issues that are really best worked through in counseling/therapy. But they choose to find their security in the gym. The reality is that they are looking for validation by being the best or lifting the heaviest weight. The CrossFit gym can be a breeding ground to fill that need, not because of the methodology, but because of the fact that we do record scores and keep track of what we do. I love that in my gym, your scores are not public and we aren’t even required to record scores. At my old box, people were obsessed with the white board and it caused problems. But again I think that it’s an internal personality issue, not a CrossFit issue. CrossFit isn’t going to cause you to have orthorexia. What’s more likely is that a person walks in the door with certain level of it and then it grows. We see the same thing with people who run obsessively and do other forms of exercise. CrossFit flies in the face of the traditional fitness models. So people who don’t understand it or who are losing clients to it, are more apt to jump on the anti-CrossFit bandwagon.
Very well said brother
The white board and scores in a CrossFit space (IMO) is never a bad thing if written up, the CrossFit community as a whole are all inspiring , happy to help and support each other no matter what the score or time completed by an individual is. Agree 110 percent with the rest well said.
Thank you! I like to whiteboard. It pushes me. I see what weights should I use or how fast I should go and not being lazy. One girl in earlier classes is same build and age as me and she always pushes me to better myself.
As of people from different fitness fields, they act like their fitness doesn’t have any flaws or outliers. Frustrating. Easy to pick the bad example out of many for more clicks and views.
Keep up the good work Wykie!👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I tend to see this with younger athletes. A few of the 40+ masters will act this way, however, they usually did not compete in their prime and this is their “moment” to go for gold..at least in the gym. One of the best pieces of advice I ever received was to only go HAM 2-3 times a week. Use the other workouts to focus on a skill, technique or pacing.
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I could care less about the whiteboard and I almost never put a score up. The nice guy in you left out the fact that the Zach Telander video is catering to those that need and want an excuse. It makes him and his guest feel better about their inadequacies. In a world of mediocrity this sells like hot cakes. Driven not Motivated. Stay Hard. Goggins
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If you're gonna compensate for not being the fastest or strongest or best.... you have a personal problem. Could NOT agree more.
Personally I don’t like putting scores on whiteboards (we still have whiteboards not screens in the uk) and some gyms definitely do push members to compete against each other and I don’t like that. I think it’s more beneficial to track what we do against our own knowledge of our performance. You can’t plan who turns up or who’s feeling fresh. Measure your ability on the rower against the last time you did a similar distance. When workouts aren’t repeated it doesn’t help
I’ve been doing CrossFit for 6 years and initially I was really competitive with other members. I got kind of bored of it over time because it didn’t translate to personal improvement in technique of movements etc… I just got faster, and I was already the strongest female in the gym.
Since I stopped comparing myself against others I’ve got even stronger, but my technique is also way better and I’m not chasing just being fast at things.
Wow. I need to share this video with everyone who says CrossFit will injure you. Thank you so much for this.
From the start, I got quite annoyed with this! I discovered crossfit and that allowed me to put my diabetes into remission and normalise my bloods. Working hard and doing hard things does not promote orthorexia in my opinion.... whiteboard is not something I have very strong opinions on, you always have an option to not submit a score. It can help the community feel but also make individuals feel worse, so the freedom to choose should dictate this. You can always record privately also, so I think the choice should be individual! As you said, we are adults who can make our own decisions!
My scores are often at the bottom of our online whiteboard but I don't let it bother me. I can see my progress by tracking my work. I also agree with it providing a goal by seeing what others in previous classes did. Our CrossFit family is supportive whether you're RX or scaled.
The BIG problem with those 'experts' talking negative about Crossfit is that it is ALWAYS based on 1 or a couple of persons they know of or have seen... Or the fail video's on social media... But you can say negative things about every sport in that way... Plus, often they need to adress the fact that the regular crossfitter can't do the RX versions their 'role models' do, but again : that is in every sport... For example I really love watching F1 and Max Verstappen is awesome, but when i would go to the track and try to do what he does, i will end up in hospital or worse... MY point being that you can only talk about something when you did it for en extend period of time.
I agree with you. CrossFit isn’t the problem, neither is the white board. The problem is with his ego and his interpretation of what those numbers mean. Like the scale or a diet, used in an unhealthy way, you can cause yourself harm.
I think sometimes we get too caught up in the defense/offense of crossfit with these types of things.
All training is about driving adaptation but adaptations are not always positive and there can be negative outcomes. One of the challenges for both coaches and the individual is to remain aware of the potential negative outcomes, understand ways of avoiding them, and work towards more positive outcomes overall. The disorder they are talking about is basically an extreme form of one possible negative adaptation.
My takeaway from Zach's point on intensity is it is a good thing but it is important to modulate that intensity before it begins to deliver negative outcomes. Basically, "scale as needed..."
And, it is helpful to remember that Zach used to do crossfit and he may even have a level 1 cert. He mentions it occasionally and he eventually decided to focus on weightlifting. I think that is a pretty common path these days in the space.
These anti crossfit vlogs are so boring, they rely on making claims of concern about health outcomes as if they were unique to crossfit - there was no credible evidence provided that over training was any more prevalent in crossfit than in any other fitness modality - and they make the fallacial leap of going from the particular to the general, ie one persons experience, anecdote or approach is generalised to condemn the whole activity. If these "critics" actually had the wherewithal to get down to the hard work of looking into the sport, they might be taken more seriously. Or is it instead the fear of doing just that that would explode the surface "truths" that they rely on Which, in reality, no way near the actuality that they for some reason fear. OK, line all recording and measurement the leader board can produce perverse and unwanted outcomes. I think the issue here is that the crossfit outsider willfully or inanely, sees the elite athletes of crossfit going hell for leather and infers for the great unwashed among us who make up the vast majoriry of crossfiters we are cast in the same pedal to the floor approach. WRONG! I'm not in competition with the guys and gala that RX WODs everyday, and the whiteboard has never induced or lulled me into approaching my workouts that way. I'm not in competition in my box (except when there is a competition!), I'm in training and being guided by my coach on the right scale and approach to ge the maximum fitness return for me! And Wycks it has had profound results on my fitness, weight, strength and approach. You won't be surprised to learn that these outcomes are the biggest reason why I will continue to ignore the naysayers.
Zack Telander isn't a crossfit outsider. He did it for years and transitioned out. While Wykie may focus on movement quality and suitable scaling, I've done enough classes in different boxes for know this isn't a hallmark of crossfit. The level of intensity crossfit athletes train at is different to many sports, like endurance ones which have much more focus on zone 2 capacity to build stamina and ultimately speed. Crossfit isn't a sports club - its for profit gym and that has limitations on how classes are structured
Hey Wykie ! Doing great in Australia ? Last Video of the Year ?
What's funny is that the guy tells "I've always needed to be the fastest or the strongest in the room" ; so he states that he is the problem, before going on and putting the charge onto CrossFit.
It's a fact that posting videos ABOUT CrossFit does attract views, and those people have their own businesses to run to (some even run businesses of different training methodologies, uh ? ) so they do what lots of people do : talk shit about others. Basically human.
About the whiteboard, I've never put my score on it, mainly because I don't have the need to, because I don't like to compare to others, since everyone's different, and since I should also keep track of how I slept before, my body temperature, what I ate... in order to be relevant.I scarecely note what I did, and so sometimes, I do not progress since I don't have my own benchmark, my bad !! 🤣
Finally, what's true is that 10 years ago, many people in CrossFit were taught incorrect or incomplete movements, especially in halterophily, and those 2 guys seem to have an outdated way of thinking. Nowadays, I think most coaches have a far much better understanding of standards and how to not sacrifice quality over quantity.
That was my take, thank you for posting right for when I wake up here in France !! 😉👍
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You’re the man! Always appreciate your great input bro 🙏
A lot of the criticisms come from improper form and excessive training