Awww man…I freakin LOVE this episode. The bits with G’Kar are simply amazing. G’Kar is never the same after this episode. Andreas Katsulus is incredible.
For all their ages of existence... The First Ones, Vorlons, and Shadows are still creatures possessing petty emotions like vanity and pride and arrogance.
Ministry of Peace (and Truth) are from the novel Nineteen Eighty-Four. Any story that uses either name is making a clear reference to that novel, including Babylon 5.
This has my favourite Bester - Garibaldi interaction. When Garibaldi compares Bester to a Pinata and Bester turns it into a compliment just to wind Garibaldi up.
One of the best episodes of season three and such a fantastic performance by Andreas Katsulas. G'Kar undergoes such a transformation, it's hard to remember the determined warmonger of season 1. Great video, Mega.
I don't think the First Ones had any idea about reverse psychology, they've never interacted with humans so why would they be aware of the tricks we use? If someone has never heard of an old trick, it becomes a new trick again.
@@Mayhem4Hire But why would Humans be the only ones to come up with that. I don't know, you could work it either way, but that they couldn't come up with the idea I find unlikely
One of my favourite episodes and "it doesn't matter who started it, it only matters who is suffering" is one of my favourite quotes from the entire series. You might be thinking of the Ministry of Peace and Ministry of Truth from 1984 (no coincidence that it's in this series, although in-universe I wonder if anyone in EarthGov queried the optics of naming those departments!)
Cynically naming ministries is aimed at the many, presumed easy to manipulate, low information citizens, not those with the sophistication to see what you’re up to. You keep the latter in line by arresting some as traitors, then torture, and potentially a future “accident”; the rest kept in line by fear there of.
@@martintoggweiler2343 Now they don’t even have to do that. Now you can lose your friends, your job, your bank account and your ability to get credit because of some comment that has been declared hate speech or misinformation. There are so many corporate and amateur fascists ready and willing to destroy dissent that the government has it easy. All they have to do is post a few hundred FBI, NSA and CIA assets in every social media company and stir the pot until it boils.
@@KevynJacobs I wonder how much of the vision was entirely Kosh's doing, versus how much he just enhanced what G'Kar was experiencing? I'm sure a lot, but would Kosh waste his time creating a vision just for the sake of it? Kosh would probably want to be relatively sure the recipient is receptive first? There's more I could say on this, but SPOILERS (even though Mega is past them I'm sure).
@@SC-LXVII So difficult to say anything here without spoilers. I am of the opinion that spiritual manipulation is one of the Vorlons' favorite tools for grooming the younger races, along with creating [SPOILERS] and [SPOILERS]. G'Kar's mind was wide open to telepathic control when he was on the Dust, and Kosh took advantage of that to manipulate G'Kar's memories of his father, and telepathically implant visions of the Narn angelic being G'Lan. This pushed G'Kar in the direction of spiritual enlightenment. The Vorlons wanted to make G'Kar a religious leader. For Kosh, the ends justified the means. And I think the Vorlons have done this to many religious leaders, on many different worlds, over the centuries.
@@martintoggweiler2343 If it is telepathically implanted by a bad guy (like the Vorlons, who are fake angels), then the religious vision is obviously fake. That's what Volons do, manipulate younger races spiritually, in order to push them to do the Vorlon's bidding. It's pure evil on the Vorlon's part.
Londo and G'Kar are the best characters of the show. But the chemistry between them makes them even better.So, Londo wouldn't be Londo without G'Kar and vice versa.
@@johnshaffer3405 ...and tells them while they are tripping that they should go on a spiritual pilgrimage and give away all their earthly possessions and quit their job and go...
It coild very well be that the Ancient race DID see through Susan's BS and agreed to show up because they respected her attempt and her hutzpah in trying to pull that off with a billion year old species. :)
IMO -The reason Kosh was "contacting " GKar at this time -its was easier to do so while GKar was on the dust. While its been shown before that a telepath can "read" a Narn - the weakness of the genes may have made projecting much more difficult
I always felt that this is compared to Sheridan's abduction and Kosh's contact to him. Kosh mentions how his mind was quiet enough for him to come through. It may be difficult to think the same of G'Kar in this moment, but consider: whenever you are going through a crisis, once you've dug and found out all the information you need or can, you process it all and then there's that moment just before you do whatever you're about to do next where you just stop as everything coalesces. Your mind is basically quiet in that moment. G'Kar was likely going through something similar.
"I have always been here." This is such a great episode! There are some episodes coming up that I'm sure you'll want to premiere, and I'll be there if I know about it in advance.
One thing to take away from this show is what true stage actors bring to a show. Their voices are powerful, and their presence is undeniable, even when covered by costumes and makeup.
You know how you can go back and watch all of the Star Wars movies as though it's the story of C3PO and R2D2 throughout the history of the Rebellion and the Empire? You've now hit the point at which this statement will make sense to you -- Babylon 5 is the story of the relationship between G'kar and Londo. And everyone else - Sheriden, Delenn, Garibaldi, Vir, Lenir - are all secondary characters. G'kar and Londo's relationship ties the entire series, including prequel and sequels, together. This is Londo and G'kar's story. And at this point forward, it becomes more and more clear how true that is. (Not saying they're always in the spotlight. But they provide the only singular thread of continuity through the entire story.)
B5 has amazing episodes with big, galaxy-changing moments. But it also has amazing episodes with quieter character-changing arcs. This is one of the latter.
Such a significant episode for the G'Kar character, supremely acted by the great Andreas Katsulas. So much more I want to say, but it'll wait for later. Some of the payoffs for this won't happen until season 5.
While Kosh is a Vorlon, it can be said that he cares about the younger races more than the rest of his race (or at least understands the necessity of them in the grand fabric of the universe). As such, he guides them, usually subtly. That no doubt is what is going on here (omitting more detail due to potential spoilers). G'Kar has always had noble purpose simmering in the background (look at the council speech where he speaks on freedom, for example). A nudge is all he needs to walk that "enlightened" path. Standout episode. Kosh uses Bester's scheme to set into motion events far beyond the intended goal.
Fun fact: G'kar's father (Kosh) was played by Jim Norton, who we've seen in two previous episodes as the older male Ombuds on Babylon 5. Fun fact #2: I can only recall three times, in sci-fi series, where we have a minor character with the surname Lindstrom. The drug dealer in this episode, and two other minor characters in the original Star Trek. I tend to notice that, given that it's my (very unusual in North America) surname as well :) As to discussing this episode further, I'd love to - except I couldn't trust myself not to reveal spoilers. This episode was great but there's even greater to come and I'm sure I couldn't resist the temptation to say things like "wait until you see what happens to " or "did you know that (character) will do this?" Etc. :)
@@MrDdaland I know that. I’m just showing my overbearing nerdiness by noting that the first “redshirt” wore a blue shirt. And unlike crewman #6, he actually had a last name.
Everyone else always takes G'kar's dream as revelation. I always take this episode as Kosh using G'Kar's memories to manipulate him into a position where he is willing to sacrificing his people for the Vorlon cause. Not the first time, or last time, he puts his words into the mouths of the people most trusted by whoever he wants to manipulate. Creepy, amoral, manipulative and exploitative.
Kosh *is* manipulating G'Kar...but Kosh is also not wrong about what he told him. Sheridan did point out that the Vorlons were manipulative in appearing as Space Angels. Kosh told G'kar what he needed to hear in a form that he'd be receptive to.
Thank you! This is the point in the series where I really started to question how "good" the Vorlons are. Angels they are not, no matter how much they like to dress up as Angels. And using spirituality and telepathically implanted fake religious visions as a way to manipulate younger races? That's twisted AF.
As with most things we have seen Vorlons do up to now, it is both things at the same time. In this case, both revelation and manipulation. Or as Kosh would say, "Yes."
As an aside, everyone please be very careful with spoilers here. Talking about the motivations of characters (especially ambiguous ones like Kosh) can easily be swayed by things that have not been seen yet. This sort of discussion can easily stray into unintentionally revealing things about the future.
I think it makes a lot of sense that the First ones were goaded into helping by Ivanova sorta talking down to them. Sure they are assumedly old and wise, but if there is one thing that living a long time definitely seems to do to a lot of people in stories, is make them arrogant. You see with things like elves in fantasy, or in RL mythology like the ancient Greek gods, and even the Vorlon's themselves are also like that. I guess when someone has been around and know a lot of stuff, and know that they know a lot of stuff, they really don't like to get questioned or called out on anything.
Since most was covered in these comments except "Sheridan you're the man." Been waiting for those words... Never needed drugs for it, but I know what you mean about that look.
A great episode for G'Kar. A true transformation, it looks like. Will it hold? We shall see. Definitely one of my great favourites! I certainly appreciate the scenes with Bester and Garibaldi working together.
According to Bester the Psi Corps was hoping for dust to activate the latent telepath gene so the people would have telepathy permanently afterwards, but I think that is a writing hole because most genes don't work that way. If the gene was activated and the person had a telepathic experience and then that person had a child with another similar person then the child would theoretically have a better chance to be a telepath.
What if everyone could be a powerful telepath? Would Bester and Psi Corps really want to give up their edge and sense of superiority? In society it would be another form of attack one could wield or be made victim of, not entirely different from what internet hacking has become.
@@martintoggweiler2343 I would guess Bester would be long dead before everyone was a telepath since it would take several generations at least. Maybe a Normal Corps would be created to replace the Psi Corps once there were more telepaths than normals? 🤔
@@martintoggweiler2343 I think Bester would actually want everyone to be a telepath. Kinda like in X-men where there was a plan to make everyone a mutant so as to stop the discrimination against mutants.
I'm guessing what Bester meant was *strong* telepaths of the kind to be really useful. As we've seen even if the gene is activated it doesn't mean the telepath will be strong. The Dust program is probably just one among many, like Ironheart's telekinesis program.
@@SC-LXVII I've always assumed that simply meant it hasn't created a single permanent P1 or above. I feel even creating P1s would be worth it for Psi Corps.
@@MegaReacts Trying to watch it, but it stops at 2 min 5 sec every time! Sucks for me, but you must have been grinning ear to ear. I know I was, at least until it stopped.
@@martintoggweiler2343 Yes, it's a terrible and evil thing the Vorlons are doing to the Narn, religiously brainwashing them into sacrificing themselves, making them believe they are sacrificing themselves for the greater good. They aren't, it's a flat-out lie. The Narns are sacrificing themselves for the Vorlons' good, not the good of all.
Certainly, another great, transformative episode of the series. But will G'Kar be able to keep to the ideal he now sets for himself (thanks to Kosh)? As for Londo and G'Kar, they really are equally great.
The way you went on the "journey" talking about G'Kar's chest, I fully expect you to be wearing a replica of his chest in the future along with your comlink and PPG. 😂 And the wife would love that!😉
There are more than few episodes ahead you might want to livestream. Of course you can’t know which ones you think would be best without spoiling the episode beforehand. If you provide the general characteristics you’d prefer, suggestions could be made.
In regards to your gripe at the start of this, I refer you too the Q continuum. Age isn't always = a gorwth of knowledge but often is a growht of arrogance and self import. They couldn't comperhend a young race talking up like that and pride made them angry.
The Walkers of Sigma 957 use that planet as their home base in this dimension as they travel to new realms. That's why they won't let any young races colonize it. They want their base left untouched.
1:00 "communist manifesto ... rat out your friends" - I wonder how you came to that conclusion. If anything, JMS's writing is a critique of fascism, with the Centauri being fictional retelling of not only the Roman Empire but also Mussolini's delusions of grandeur (see Donald Trump for a contemporary example.) If you want a contemporary American analogy to the "Ministry of Peace" in B5, try the state of Texas, where not only did they outlaw abortions but the state trying to make it more difficult to travel outside of TX to get an abortion and requires a doctor to document their justification for abortions. And importantly, TX essentially deputizes citizens to carry out observations and reporting of these things. Also try looking at Florida and Governor DeSantis and the various don't-say-gay efforts. Or how about efforts by right-wing politicians to get schools to ban Critical Race Theory (even though it's hardly even touched on by even a few schools). _That_ is your contemporary analog to the state of Earth-gov in JMS's timeline.
It's a critique of ALL authoritarian governments, regardless of political leanings. I keep shaking my head every time people on both sides of the political spectrum watch this show and are so SURE it's obviously referring to their political opponents - completely missing the point! These things happened in Nazi Germany, in Fascist Italy, in McCarthian America, and in Communist Russia. Tyranny is tyranny , it's not a left or right thing.
The political officer to look over Sheridan's shoulder in the previous episode is straight out of the Soviet Union, not Italy. The Soviets always had political officers on every sub, ship, and military unit to look over the shoulder of the military commanders to make sure to avoid political 'mistakes' (and did so for decades after WW2). Led to a lot of poor or outright bad military decisions. As mentioned elsewhere the Ministry of Peace was heavily influenced from 1984, which was critique of the emerging tyrannical governments like Stalinist Soviet Union, but really of all totalitarian regimes. Not to mention some upcoming posters in the show are styled upon Soviet union posters. Please look beyond the all too often used 'fascism' slur. Not to mention JMS *repeatedly* said he was drawing upon larger, and historically repeating, and old, human conditions.
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Andreas katsulas being able to act and portray so much emotional depth under all that makeup is amazing . Just great acting
It is also a testament of the makeup being flexible enough to show it.
Awww man…I freakin LOVE this episode. The bits with G’Kar are simply amazing. G’Kar is never the same after this episode. Andreas Katsulus is incredible.
For all their ages of existence...
The First Ones, Vorlons, and Shadows are still creatures possessing petty emotions like vanity and pride and arrogance.
Ministry of Peace (and Truth) are from the novel Nineteen Eighty-Four. Any story that uses either name is making a clear reference to that novel, including Babylon 5.
Ministry of Peace is very Orwellian…
And the acting by Katsulas in this episode is simply awesome…
This has my favourite Bester - Garibaldi interaction.
When Garibaldi compares Bester to a Pinata and Bester turns it into a compliment just to wind Garibaldi up.
Oh for a Garibaldi and Bester spin off buddy cop movie.
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Ministry of Peace and Ministry of Truth are from 1984 by George Orwell.
One of the best episodes of season three and such a fantastic performance by Andreas Katsulas. G'Kar undergoes such a transformation, it's hard to remember the determined warmonger of season 1. Great video, Mega.
Loved your enthusiasm for this episode. Great reaction ❤😊
The Ministry of Peace is lifted directly from Orwell's 1984. Even the short newspeak name they use in the book, Minipax, is used in B5.
I think the First Ones did see through her taunts, but liked that she had spunk. Like Draal in the last episode…
I don't think the First Ones had any idea about reverse psychology, they've never interacted with humans so why would they be aware of the tricks we use? If someone has never heard of an old trick, it becomes a new trick again.
@@Mayhem4Hire But why would Humans be the only ones to come up with that. I don't know, you could work it either way, but that they couldn't come up with the idea I find unlikely
One of my favourite episodes and "it doesn't matter who started it, it only matters who is suffering" is one of my favourite quotes from the entire series.
You might be thinking of the Ministry of Peace and Ministry of Truth from 1984 (no coincidence that it's in this series, although in-universe I wonder if anyone in EarthGov queried the optics of naming those departments!)
Its no worse than Disinformation Governance Board.
When the government gets that good at lying, they do it your face.
Cynically naming ministries is aimed at the many, presumed easy to manipulate, low information citizens, not those with the sophistication to see what you’re up to. You keep the latter in line by arresting some as traitors, then torture, and potentially a future “accident”; the rest kept in line by fear there of.
@@martintoggweiler2343 Now they don’t even have to do that. Now you can lose your friends, your job, your bank account and your ability to get credit because of some comment that has been declared hate speech or misinformation. There are so many corporate and amateur fascists ready and willing to destroy dissent that the government has it easy. All they have to do is post a few hundred FBI, NSA and CIA assets in every social media company and stir the pot until it boils.
Considering that Earth also named a ship the Icarus they probably don't check the name options too closely xD
g'kar has by far the greatest character development of all characters in the show.
G’Kar’s moment on the road to Damascus. One of the greatest moments of B5.
Damn fake Vorlons, giving G'Kar fake religious visions.
@@KevynJacobs I wonder how much of the vision was entirely Kosh's doing, versus how much he just enhanced what G'Kar was experiencing? I'm sure a lot, but would Kosh waste his time creating a vision just for the sake of it? Kosh would probably want to be relatively sure the recipient is receptive first? There's more I could say on this, but SPOILERS (even though Mega is past them I'm sure).
@@SC-LXVII So difficult to say anything here without spoilers. I am of the opinion that spiritual manipulation is one of the Vorlons' favorite tools for grooming the younger races, along with creating [SPOILERS] and [SPOILERS]. G'Kar's mind was wide open to telepathic control when he was on the Dust, and Kosh took advantage of that to manipulate G'Kar's memories of his father, and telepathically implant visions of the Narn angelic being G'Lan. This pushed G'Kar in the direction of spiritual enlightenment. The Vorlons wanted to make G'Kar a religious leader.
For Kosh, the ends justified the means.
And I think the Vorlons have done this to many religious leaders, on many different worlds, over the centuries.
@@KevynJacobs And exactly what determines whether a given religious vision is fake or real?
@@martintoggweiler2343 If it is telepathically implanted by a bad guy (like the Vorlons, who are fake angels), then the religious vision is obviously fake. That's what Volons do, manipulate younger races spiritually, in order to push them to do the Vorlon's bidding. It's pure evil on the Vorlon's part.
Londo and G'Kar are the best characters of the show. But the chemistry between them makes them even better.So, Londo wouldn't be Londo without G'Kar and vice versa.
The show is at it's best when we put Londo and G'Kar in a scene together and let them go at it.
I love the G'Kar scenes with Kosh....so good.
Kosh is that really cool uncle who knows that people grow through experience and baby sit someone when they go on their first trip.
@@johnshaffer3405 ...and tells them while they are tripping that they should go on a spiritual pilgrimage and give away all their earthly possessions and quit their job and go...
@@KevynJacobs some of these kids nowadays could benefit by living life as a hobo for a year or two.
It coild very well be that the Ancient race DID see through Susan's BS and agreed to show up because they respected her attempt and her hutzpah in trying to pull that off with a billion year old species. :)
IMO -The reason Kosh was "contacting " GKar at this time -its was easier to do so while GKar was on the dust. While its been shown before that a telepath can "read" a Narn - the weakness of the genes may have made projecting much more difficult
"contacting"... that's an interesting euphemism for what he was doing.
I always felt that this is compared to Sheridan's abduction and Kosh's contact to him. Kosh mentions how his mind was quiet enough for him to come through. It may be difficult to think the same of G'Kar in this moment, but consider: whenever you are going through a crisis, once you've dug and found out all the information you need or can, you process it all and then there's that moment just before you do whatever you're about to do next where you just stop as everything coalesces. Your mind is basically quiet in that moment. G'Kar was likely going through something similar.
"I have always been here." This is such a great episode! There are some episodes coming up that I'm sure you'll want to premiere, and I'll be there if I know about it in advance.
in the alternative version of B5 it was mr Morden who came in G'kar's vision "What do you want?".
One thing to take away from this show is what true stage actors bring to a show. Their voices are powerful, and their presence is undeniable, even when covered by costumes and makeup.
Those particular first ones are often called Walkers of Sigma 957, but I accept that's a rather cumbersome name
Ministry of Truth is 1984. But the Ministry of Peace in Babylon 5 is essentially the same.
The Ministry of Peace is also in 1984. Minipax, Minitrue, Minilove....
You know how you can go back and watch all of the Star Wars movies as though it's the story of C3PO and R2D2 throughout the history of the Rebellion and the Empire? You've now hit the point at which this statement will make sense to you -- Babylon 5 is the story of the relationship between G'kar and Londo. And everyone else - Sheriden, Delenn, Garibaldi, Vir, Lenir - are all secondary characters. G'kar and Londo's relationship ties the entire series, including prequel and sequels, together. This is Londo and G'kar's story. And at this point forward, it becomes more and more clear how true that is. (Not saying they're always in the spotlight. But they provide the only singular thread of continuity through the entire story.)
Londo and G’Kar are the two best parts of the show.
How can you be that goddamn insightful and yet repeatedly spell LONDO’s name wrong?
@@chrisnielsen9885 LOL. Just talent, I guess.
@@chrisnielsen9885 There. It's all better now. 😁😁
@@chrisnielsen9885 Lando is how youtube renders his name
B5 has amazing episodes with big, galaxy-changing moments. But it also has amazing episodes with quieter character-changing arcs. This is one of the latter.
She is what is called...
A Protocol Officer.
Such a significant episode for the G'Kar character, supremely acted by the great Andreas Katsulas. So much more I want to say, but it'll wait for later. Some of the payoffs for this won't happen until season 5.
Great to see you back :)
While Kosh is a Vorlon, it can be said that he cares about the younger races more than the rest of his race (or at least understands the necessity of them in the grand fabric of the universe). As such, he guides them, usually subtly. That no doubt is what is going on here (omitting more detail due to potential spoilers).
G'Kar has always had noble purpose simmering in the background (look at the council speech where he speaks on freedom, for example). A nudge is all he needs to walk that "enlightened" path.
Standout episode. Kosh uses Bester's scheme to set into motion events far beyond the intended goal.
Fun fact: G'kar's father (Kosh) was played by Jim Norton, who we've seen in two previous episodes as the older male Ombuds on Babylon 5.
Fun fact #2: I can only recall three times, in sci-fi series, where we have a minor character with the surname Lindstrom. The drug dealer in this episode, and two other minor characters in the original Star Trek. I tend to notice that, given that it's my (very unusual in North America) surname as well :)
As to discussing this episode further, I'd love to - except I couldn't trust myself not to reveal spoilers. This episode was great but there's even greater to come and I'm sure I couldn't resist the temptation to say things like "wait until you see what happens to " or "did you know that (character) will do this?" Etc. :)
JMS has used the names Morgenstern and Lindstrom as a nod to Rhoda Morgenstern and Phyllis Lindstrom from the Mary Tyler Moore show.
Could be worse The only TV show featuring my last name was Star Trek- and he had the dubious distinction of being the first "red shirt"....
@@MrDdaland Only I believe he was actually wearing a blue shirt.
@@sdfried4877 "Red Shirt" in that that is the generic term for a crew member killed off quickly, and then not mentioned again, LOL
@@MrDdaland I know that. I’m just showing my overbearing nerdiness by noting that the first “redshirt” wore a blue shirt. And unlike crewman #6, he actually had a last name.
some of the best moments and scenes are focused around them both , like back in the fall of narn
Everyone else always takes G'kar's dream as revelation. I always take this episode as Kosh using G'Kar's memories to manipulate him into a position where he is willing to sacrificing his people for the Vorlon cause. Not the first time, or last time, he puts his words into the mouths of the people most trusted by whoever he wants to manipulate. Creepy, amoral, manipulative and exploitative.
Kosh *is* manipulating G'Kar...but Kosh is also not wrong about what he told him. Sheridan did point out that the Vorlons were manipulative in appearing as Space Angels. Kosh told G'kar what he needed to hear in a form that he'd be receptive to.
That's exactly what happened. They're not subtle about Kosh's manipulation there. Can't say anything else without spoilers unfortunately.
Thank you! This is the point in the series where I really started to question how "good" the Vorlons are. Angels they are not, no matter how much they like to dress up as Angels. And using spirituality and telepathically implanted fake religious visions as a way to manipulate younger races? That's twisted AF.
As with most things we have seen Vorlons do up to now, it is both things at the same time. In this case, both revelation and manipulation.
Or as Kosh would say, "Yes."
As an aside, everyone please be very careful with spoilers here.
Talking about the motivations of characters (especially ambiguous ones like Kosh) can easily be swayed by things that have not been seen yet. This sort of discussion can easily stray into unintentionally revealing things about the future.
I think it makes a lot of sense that the First ones were goaded into helping by Ivanova sorta talking down to them. Sure they are assumedly old and wise, but if there is one thing that living a long time definitely seems to do to a lot of people in stories, is make them arrogant. You see with things like elves in fantasy, or in RL mythology like the ancient Greek gods, and even the Vorlon's themselves are also like that. I guess when someone has been around and know a lot of stuff, and know that they know a lot of stuff, they really don't like to get questioned or called out on anything.
Since most was covered in these comments except "Sheridan you're the man." Been waiting for those words... Never needed drugs for it, but I know what you mean about that look.
The first ones felt sorry for her I think. They are not as stupid as they appear.
Kaldor Draigo Dust Trip activated.
Their ego's were bigger than their intellect on the ego slap working against them.
A great episode for G'Kar. A true transformation, it looks like. Will it hold? We shall see.
Definitely one of my great favourites!
I certainly appreciate the scenes with Bester and Garibaldi working together.
We feel you, Brother!
According to Bester the Psi Corps was hoping for dust to activate the latent telepath gene so the people would have telepathy permanently afterwards, but I think that is a writing hole because most genes don't work that way. If the gene was activated and the person had a telepathic experience and then that person had a child with another similar person then the child would theoretically have a better chance to be a telepath.
What if everyone could be a powerful telepath? Would Bester and Psi Corps really want to give up their edge and sense of superiority? In society it would be another form of attack one could wield or be made victim of, not entirely different from what internet hacking has become.
@@martintoggweiler2343 I would guess Bester would be long dead before everyone was a telepath since it would take several generations at least. Maybe a Normal Corps would be created to replace the Psi Corps once there were more telepaths than normals? 🤔
@@martintoggweiler2343 I think Bester would actually want everyone to be a telepath. Kinda like in X-men where there was a plan to make everyone a mutant so as to stop the discrimination against mutants.
I'm guessing what Bester meant was *strong* telepaths of the kind to be really useful. As we've seen even if the gene is activated it doesn't mean the telepath will be strong. The Dust program is probably just one among many, like Ironheart's telekinesis program.
@@SC-LXVII I've always assumed that simply meant it hasn't created a single permanent P1 or above.
I feel even creating P1s would be worth it for Psi Corps.
Yep, definitely a top tier episode.
Yes ..G'kar is my fave,. everyone loves Kosh.. agreed he's cool...but for me G'kar takes the whole show for me
Glad I finally caught up but sad to see there hasn’t been another episode since 3 weeks ago? Can’t wait to see more, you’re good at this.
Yes. One of the best moments.
SUGGESTION: IF you are this hyped up after watching an episode of B5 ... *GO TO THE GYM or MOW THE LAWN or DO SOMETHING physically afterwards!*
Ok now we NEED to see that Cameo!
Entire Cameo video is on my Twitter.
@@MegaReacts Trying to watch it, but it stops at 2 min 5 sec every time! Sucks for me, but you must have been grinning ear to ear. I know I was, at least until it stopped.
@@k001daddy strange. I have no issues with it. Must be twitter.
@k001daddy I messaged you on Twitter. Sent link to video on my patreon. It's public.
@@MegaReacts Loved it, joined patreon, caught up to episode 11. I'd listen to the podcast!
We saw a glimpse of the true Modus Operandi of the Vorlons in this episode. Kosh is manipulative AF!
One of *many* glimpses of Vorlon manipulation we've seen in the show to this point.
More than just manipulation: “some must sacrificed if all are to be saved”, resounds far and wide.
@@martintoggweiler2343 Yes, it's a terrible and evil thing the Vorlons are doing to the Narn, religiously brainwashing them into sacrificing themselves, making them believe they are sacrificing themselves for the greater good. They aren't, it's a flat-out lie. The Narns are sacrificing themselves for the Vorlons' good, not the good of all.
I wanna be like Mega when I grow up.
The myth is much greater than the reality.
Certainly, another great, transformative episode of the series. But will G'Kar be able to keep to the ideal he now sets for himself (thanks to Kosh)? As for Londo and G'Kar, they really are equally great.
Who turned G’Kar in? Somehow I find it hard to believe that Kosh would!
About to hit a string of what JMS calls WHAM episodes. This one not quite a WHAM, but it's damned close IMO
The way you went on the "journey" talking about G'Kar's chest, I fully expect you to be wearing a replica of his chest in the future along with your comlink and PPG. 😂 And the wife would love that!😉
There are more than few episodes ahead you might want to livestream. Of course you can’t know which ones you think would be best without spoiling the episode beforehand. If you provide the general characteristics you’d prefer, suggestions could be made.
In regards to your gripe at the start of this, I refer you too the Q continuum. Age isn't always = a gorwth of knowledge but often is a growht of arrogance and self import. They couldn't comperhend a young race talking up like that and pride made them angry.
Yeah, B5 S3 is more relevant now than ever.
Nice shirt, you seen " Lo Pan Style "?
nice shirt ... great movie
An other great episode!
Ok, Graham Hancock.
The Walkers of Sigma 957 use that planet as their home base in this dimension as they travel to new realms. That's why they won't let any young races colonize it. They want their base left untouched.
spoiler alert!
@@TheMerovingienne that's not in the show.
1:00 "communist manifesto ... rat out your friends" - I wonder how you came to that conclusion. If anything, JMS's writing is a critique of fascism, with the Centauri being fictional retelling of not only the Roman Empire but also Mussolini's delusions of grandeur (see Donald Trump for a contemporary example.)
If you want a contemporary American analogy to the "Ministry of Peace" in B5, try the state of Texas, where not only did they outlaw abortions but the state trying to make it more difficult to travel outside of TX to get an abortion and requires a doctor to document their justification for abortions. And importantly, TX essentially deputizes citizens to carry out observations and reporting of these things. Also try looking at Florida and Governor DeSantis and the various don't-say-gay efforts.
Or how about efforts by right-wing politicians to get schools to ban Critical Race Theory (even though it's hardly even touched on by even a few schools). _That_ is your contemporary analog to the state of Earth-gov in JMS's timeline.
It's a critique of ALL authoritarian governments, regardless of political leanings. I keep shaking my head every time people on both sides of the political spectrum watch this show and are so SURE it's obviously referring to their political opponents - completely missing the point! These things happened in Nazi Germany, in Fascist Italy, in McCarthian America, and in Communist Russia. Tyranny is tyranny , it's not a left or right thing.
@@oenrn If there are to be sides, then the only important ones have tyranny on one, and freedom on the other.
The political officer to look over Sheridan's shoulder in the previous episode is straight out of the Soviet Union, not Italy. The Soviets always had political officers on every sub, ship, and military unit to look over the shoulder of the military commanders to make sure to avoid political 'mistakes' (and did so for decades after WW2). Led to a lot of poor or outright bad military decisions. As mentioned elsewhere the Ministry of Peace was heavily influenced from 1984, which was critique of the emerging tyrannical governments like Stalinist Soviet Union, but really of all totalitarian regimes. Not to mention some upcoming posters in the show are styled upon Soviet union posters. Please look beyond the all too often used 'fascism' slur. Not to mention JMS *repeatedly* said he was drawing upon larger, and historically repeating, and old, human conditions.
@@SC-LXVII Exactly.
@@therealvector8955 Yes, but all sides will claim theirs is the side of freedom.
yo bro go react to The Blacklist its so much better than all these shows ur reacting to