We replace springs with hard silicone (and other stuff) - will it work?
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One day one your crazy experiments is going to lead to a revolutionary breakthrough in automotive design.
Don't hold your breath 😂.
"breaking news: Russian man revolutionizes _car_ by replacing all heavy elements with air"
The bushings were a genius idea and while the ride is stiff and harsh, it did hold the weight of the car without collapsing or deforming as much. --- A stack of valve springs might work too.
I was thinking 4-8 valve springs on a steel plate, stacked up over and over and see if they work !
@@timw6596 -- to be able to support the full weight, and given the length of the shaft, it LOOKS like six springs would fit? Maybe eight when compressed, but that would increase the stiffness and ride height...
They already tried valve springs
@@servicetrucker5564 oh? I missed that one... Now I'm going to have to look for it.
The Honda stance kids are gonna absolutely eat this up!
Try the silicon springs you created along with a tube over them to keep them in one piece, and not squashed like the individual bump stops you used.
I was thinking they could use a straight section of radiator hose as the mold/tube.
For some reason, my wife wants to buy that suspension at 10:28
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LOL Arrived at the recommended time... Now I get it (that's what she said). Too funny ATSq.
Mine is much bigger and longer 🤭🤭
Let's help her get it, "installed" 😂😂😂
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The silicone gave me an idea, If the silicone had a wider diameter in the center with adequate support on the bottom and air tight, inside a cylinder (greased with silicone grease). and closed at the top, would this not act as a form of air shock, providing a somewhat softer ride ? The compression of the trapped air would push outward on the lining, using it as a lateral and vertical spring while the compression of the air (preferably Nitrogen), would act as a softer or harder buffering depending on the pressure inside. I know that you are experimenting with "at hand" materials for use in an emergency, but the engineer and machinist in me could not resist answering... Rats, I just realized I just re-invented the air charged shock absorber without the oil and oil passage restrictor jetting. Damn! Hind sight is always 20/20. Oh well, never mind.
The cylinder would be the key
You saved yourself at the end of all that!
NO! But lets try it anyways !!
We need a channel like this in US
Ok
As others have said, Minis used rubber for springs. Biggest differences are that they used a lever setup that allowed for more suspension movement with less spring movement (so they could use hard rubber and not need it to flex too much) and the rubber was conical, so the spring rate increased as it got squished more.
Cool to see this tried, really enjoy this channel. I saw once a British car that used rubber cones in place of springs. They made 2 different models which used the same cones. The heavier one had you not known rode like a normal coil or leaf spring suspension of it's day. The lighter one however rode pretty much like here very firm though bearable. I think some old mini's did as well/
It wasn't a Mini? What was it?
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I like this experiment with the black lada bushings the seemed to take the stress better than the rest. a heaver vehicle would help with the stiff ride. good idea guys with the bushings.
I think the silicone ones at the end could have worked better if they were cut into say 3 or 4 sections and had metal washers in between each section. Even out more of the load over the silicone instead of it bunching up like it did. It would kinda be like the bushings but with extra support. The tire one looked like a kabob with all those square pieces.
Could also stack each section at varying widths to control the stiffness as it compresses further. Basically a crude but simple workaround for a composite design.
You must have left the silicone in the housing it was casted in. The casting must just be a litter wider than the shock
Fun fact... Older mountain bike bicycles that were fitted with front suspension, used to have elastomer bungs in the forks, which, on some upper tier suspension fork manufacturers allowed you to swap out the bungs for softer or firmer elastomer bungs to adjust the suspension feel. This was an alternative for basic springs, or the better air/oil fork versions (for more premium mountain bikes)... 😏
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Garage 54 and bmi Russian thank you for your videos from the bottom of my heart thank you my son has gotten into the car passion watching yall and I have been trying to get him interested in it for years 😂
G'day Garage54 & BMI,
2:46 Lada Shish-Kabob for lunch 😂
try the silicone with less length. The thing that is happening is called buckling. the longer the peice, the easier it is to buckle. and the thinner it is the easier is to buckle too
I've been binging your videos for at least a month and a half! Whenever I have time to kill, it's by watching Garage54! You guys should convert an old Lada to mid-engine using a Samara engine and transmission!
The best thing might be to use a combination of different hardnesses of rubber. Harder on the bottom trending softer to the top
My TiLite titanium ultra light wheelchair has front forks known as “Frog Legs” and they have a pivot pin and polyurethane “pucks” as the “spring” and they are on exact same basic set up as this. You can get higher or lower durometer hardnesses of these damper pucks for a harder or softer ride. They work great! So this type of suspension works, at least in my case anyway! 😋 Shout out to Vlad and Company! Hope all is well! Always love your videos! Cheers! 👍🏻😋
There is a big push going on with Diesel Electric drive system in vehicles. Deboss Garage is installing such a system in an old truck to prove and test for manufacturing the concept. they use a small diesel engine to power a generator just as in a TRAIN. Make one using components you already have to make an diesel electric car. small diesel engine powering a generator to provide power to the electric axles.
I've been thinking of something like this for a motorized bicycle, as well as electric brakes. Of course, those will require a rheostat and heat sink.
@@russbilzing5348 the build Deboss Garage is doing is a manufacturing company that is going to produce a system that is powered by a 4 cylinder cummins. that cummins designed for this application. it runs at a constant speed and powers electric axles. just like an electric car. with all the functionality of a truck. They also have build and designed an 18 wheel truck run on diesel electric axles.
I have an idea for an episode!!! instead of using a traditional MLS head gasket use a thick sheet of aluminum like a crush washer in-between the head and the block
Reinforce the silicone with some sort of net outter layer?
The tube it was cast in would be good
Try again using bicycle suspension springs
that would just fully compress
Polyurethane would have performed about the same as the silicone snakes. It would have been way more durable with a wider selection of hardness.
What would make the difference is the durometer of either as far as ride goes. For durability silicone vs poly could vary though the specific mix used would be a considerable variable.
A sleeve over the would help to keep everything in line and keep the softer ones from mushing clear out
Very impressed with how well the bushings did!
I love this channel if I was on the side of the road in need of a shock or spring I know what to do now 😂 thank you for your videos!!🎉
I would love to see this tried with die springs for DIY coilovers
Austin Minis used rubber cones for their suspension, cone-shaped for various levels of damping, and rubber cos it was cheap (given it was the car for the masses in the UK at the time), of course over time, the rubber perished and flattened, but easy enough to replace...
Double the silicone diameter to divide pressure by 4X, add plates to both ends to spread pressure evenly across the whole thing and it would probably work fine.
Make a suspension system with hydraulic cylinders that replase shocks and have hoses going inside the car and connect it to another cylinder thats pushed against a spiring and have a valve in the hudraulic hose to adjust the dampening
I'd like to see the lada bushings have a durability trial. They definitely worked the best, and it would be interesting to see how long they would last.
Vlad, auto engineers have been dreaming up and testing suspension parts for 125 years. They have a bit of a head start over you guys. But then, that could be said for ALL your experiments! 🤣
I liked the bushing idea but stack it bushing ,bump stop, bushing, bump stop, bushing
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Look up Lenz’s Law.
See if you can’t make shock absorbers that use this.
You may well find something to replace all oil-bearing shock absorbers.
Don’t try just one magnet, you may have to stack some together, or even have them spaced out within the tube.
Trying different diameters and thicknesses of copper tube might also be in order.
Drop a Neodymium magnet through a copper pipe to see how this works.
I’ve always wanted to try this, and see if I couldn’t make shocks that would never wear out!
Wonder if you did these again but with a reinforcement around them so they only compress but not deformed the. Mix up the material.
Well I think the bushings worked better! Once they loosen up, the ride would be more manageable!
It is so cute with only 1 turnsignal Light on the right 😂😍
The Lada bushings seem like they're better as bumpstops than the factory bump stops. On Hondas, I've seen people use rubber dog toys, the type with the food hole. I wonder how those would work as a spring?
the silicone in a set of larger tapered steel cups might be an interesting experiment, contains it and uses the spring qualities. you can also try polyurethane, it can be mixed in any hardness.
"Here we have our snake" lol >_< you know what that looks like right?
I think the silicone may work if they created a plate at top and bottom of the strut so that the diameter of the silicone is larger. Spread out the weight
Garage 54 is great.
Maybe bigger diameter pipe for the silicone with washers at the top and bottom of the shock/strut to increase spring rate and feasibility
Hey guys the strut went out right at the mounting cup on my 97 Deville, I jammed the thick kind of rubber exhaust hanger in there and rides like new lol
You need an outer sheath over the silicon to prevent over expansion or compressing in an S shape. But how often do coil springs break? I'm 66 and I've never seen a coil spring break that wasn't either modified or severely abused.
Normally they will break when overloaded like on trucks. I have seen a few cars have broken springs but it might be defects when they were made for those. But yeah they hardly ever break, leaf springs on the other hand.
The ideal would be two neodymium magnetic suspensions👍👍
Not sure what I would rather deal with a broken coil spring or a broken leaf spring. Replaced both quite a few times over the last few years
Not a broken spring, but I had a Ford with a really bad strut. Worn so bad it pumped all the oil out and was bouncing very bad. At the bottom of the strut I drilled a hole and installed a Zerk fitting. I pumped the strut full of grease. It worked . To a certain degree. It stopped bouncing. After a couple of weeks I had to put more grease in. It pumped most of the initial grease out. I drove it for about a month that way. The car was going for scrap. Thats why I didn't replace the strut.
Mabye you could put a plate under and above silcone
And make diameter thicker
make super long dampers and springs so you have insane tall suspension travel.
Valve springs in-between bushings
Or all valve springs
They already tried valve springs
I know you boys like Flight of The Phoenix, do an adventure based on that, a pile of scrap parts and limited supplies, some expeditionary(sic) guys, different styles different strokes"go for it", escape the desert,"whatever?"make a thing to get home,
Wish you woulda tested the HANDLING!
Could you try to make a suspension use the an aluminum tube or copper with a magnetic inside, when it move will generate current and brakes
Anyone else do a date check when they see a Garage 54 video drop, to make sure its not 1st April.
2:43 I would call this "Vlad's shashlik"
not sure about the other stuff but i have seen polyurethane used in bicycle suspension stems so atleast that one might work okay.
I had a parallelogram shock absorber on my steering head that used polyurethane in just exactly that fashion and I can guarantee that it works fine. It can even be preloaded by tightening the bolt that runs through it's center.
Place footballs inside your coil springs
Those holes in the back floor panels are classic.
Why not use springs inplace of the bushings?
I'd say that was more of a tire shish kabob than a sandwich. 🤣
Pull the bottom part of the shock absorber apart and put the silicone piece inside instead of having oil in there
First time I’m early for a Garage 54 video!
This reminds me of my Morris Mini. It has rubber instead of springs 😂
Should try to make the worlds most comfortable suspension next
VLAD!! The seat of your pants "is NOT compliant!!"
You're experimenting with cars again?? Shocking! 😂
This guy should come visit the US.
Notification squad Have a nice weekend!🔥🔥🔥
This could have worked better if you put the silicone in a drive shaft rubber to hold everything together.
Turn that car into a mini truck
Finally...a useful purpose for a VW Golf.
HAHA
why not try carbon fiber con rods and pistons in a lada engine ?
I prefer the spring
Can we have a video on replacing coolant with motor oil with good gasket 😂
Rubber cones? Just like,a REAL Mini....
dude i just saw a buggati 35 that has roller bearings for the crankshaft 🤓 you gotta check that out.
Do you ever wonder what else you can use as brake fluid?
Next time a low-riser hydraulic suspension and then building a "hopping" lada
maybe if there were a length of pipe, flared at both ends, with the silicone inside it may work better. the pipe may keep it from crushing and the flared ends may provide space to expand. I've been curious about tires filled with rags, like the mad max car had briefly been, before they wrecked it, you know, 2 minutes into the movie. not to rant about it, but after all these years one would think the movie people would know who the real star is and give us what we want. in my opinion that car is the star. and they crashed it immediately. I tried to see if you guys tried that. I don't like making suggestions that have already been done and I didn't see it. although I can't find the gasifier video either, and I'd like to see it, gasifiers are pretty cool.
In the '30s and'40s, my father had an old Model "T" and he loved to wander the farm roads. Once, he had a flat and his pump proved to be mostly worn out. After patching the tube, he stuffed the tire with hay until he could barely re-seat it on the rim. Then he put as much air into it as he could and travelled about 20 or so miles to the nearest filling station, removed the stuffing and aired the tire up properly. He made a one way valve out of a spark plug, added some tubing and the head of the air pump and kept it in the tool chest bolted to the running board. A lot of Frenchmen used gasifiers to run their cars during the war years.
@@russbilzing5348 your father was a man who clearly knew how to think critically, good stuff. I've seen footage of tank fit with gasifiers during the war, all sorts of things. very interesting piece of machinery.
shoot, us lowrider guys are used to riding on bumpstops :D
Nice video
Should of put Ribs on the silicone so when it compresses it’s ( hopefully) goes down evenly
Omg, if the infrastructure doesn't make you depressed, the architecture will. That Lada is, as always, a deathtrap.
09:40 When did Alex from Linus Tech Tips start working for Garage 54?
NEXT TIME: gubka (sponge) AND/OR Memuarnaya pena (Memoir foam )
This might help me with my crown vic where rhe air bags are deflated.
Silicone spheres the size of the bushings
I don't think any car company will be replacing there springs with Lada shackle bushes any time soon
You should have tried rubber ball for tennis balls
TRY VALVE SPRINGS WELDED TO EACH OTHER
107 % awesome
Make thicker ones!!
Make a boxer 8 out if 2 engines.
Or v8
I want to make a V-12 out of 2 225 slant 6 Mopar engines.
Half the cars on the road are put together like this anyway am I right?
You should use an electric grease gun as an oil pump and lubricate the engine with grease and see what happens.
I love tire kebabs!!
Wow