Absolutely perfect video sir, thank you! I wish all RUclips videos would just get to the point like this while still being informative, and not just for firearms content.
your right, a draw for penetration, however the 124 grain left a cleaner set of holes. though this video is simple it teaches allot. thank you my friend.
Ive shot 147 for a long time in my G19, impulse just feels right I like theres not much over penetration. great defensive gun ammo, however I would lean to the 124 for combat use.
GREAT test, thank you. Well done! (I do wish they all could've had the same tips...but that's what they make) In handguns I favor the 115's - but the 124's shoot darned good. In a carbine I get MUCH better accuracy with the 147's.
Thanks for a great video. In tests I have performed on soft targets, all else being equal, round-nose ammo has more penetration but flat-nose ammo results in a larger wound track.
Agreed....some of these youtube warriors are thinking the 115 is better because of penetration...when in fact the 147 having more energy more expansion equaling more damage..👍
From what I’ve seen 147 grain loads usually have around 320 ft/lbs of energy, most 115 grain loads have around 400. Dont get me wrong, I carry 147 grain HSTs, but energy isn’t in the 147 grain’s favor. I like 147 grain because it shoots softer, quieter, and launches a bigger chunk of lead into a target. More lead equals greater potential for expansion, more momentum to drive deep into the target, and in the event of a failure to expand, a longer bullet does more damage tumbling.
@@jasonvoorhees2701 Energy transfer is what stops people, period. Penetration is nice, but I would rather have my bullets expand more and transfer more energy into my target, then over penetrate my target without expending all of it's potential energy.
For the price (and "Every Day Plinking"), the 115 grain is great. For self defense, I always carry 124 grain "+ P" hollow points (that is, if I'm not ccw a .45 with 230 + P rounds, or a 10 mm with Barnes in it). But, that's just my "2-Cents" worth...! If money were "No Object", practice with what you carry.
In shorter barrels the 147gr never truly reaches its stated velocity. In 4.5 to 5 inch barrels and longer, the 147gr does much better in reaching its stated velocity, with higher energy dump, better wound channels and beautiful expansion out of longer barrels; average expansion out of 4.5-5 inch barrels. The 115gr is better for sub compact/micro, having softer recoil, above average HP expansion in shorter barrels and generally reaching stated velocity, but has a smaller wound channel, lighter energy dumps. I’ve seen tests, out of longer barrels, where the 115gr HP’s act like FMJ’s. The 124gr is the one size fits all; with a tendency to reach higher than stated velocities and over penetrate in longer barrels, but reaches close to stated velocity in short barrels. 124gr has average wound channels, energy dump, and good HP expansion, in all barrel lengths. Velocity is what causes HP’s to penetrate and expand. 147gr HP’s do very poorly out of barrels less than 4 inches, and are not as stable in flight , from short barrels. 124gr are, over all, the better choice. They shoot well, expand well, have manageable recoil, and produce a good wound cavity, in any length barrel.
man, I'm really enjoying youre videos...i never subscribe to RUclips firearm channels...until today. I appreciate the fact that half of the video doesn't consist of youre opinions, although I think id probably appreciate them. Just youre tests on ballistics and results...very informative Jack. Thanks again.
The standard German load was a 124g ball…I’m confident the Germans performed extensive testing as they are known to do…that’s what I buy when given a choice as I think it’s a good balance between velocity and penetration…the 147 fp would be a real stopper IMO too…
9mm performance always blows my mind.. thanks for informative display ! would kinda like to see same 3 vs cantelope etc for damage comparison. confident the 147 would take lead. another test against hardshell of some type. which ones roll around inside vs blasting thru 🙏💪👍
Moral of the story : Buy 115gr, because it's cheaper, plentiful on store shelves and does the job like the other two. Most buyers seem to have an affinity for bigger numbers on the ammo boxes... and bigger numbers = bigger prices. Good video, thanks!
What a great video even though the 115&124 punched thru one more metal pieces it’s hard to deny the big dent made by the slower 147 but every one knows that speed is what destroys armor!!! Overall I highly enjoyed this presentation keep it up brother thanks
@Purified Water II when I put on my seatbelt I don’t do it thinking that I might be in a wreck! My body armor to me is just a little bit more protection, But when it is your time to fight any extra help is just that a little extra help it’s also the reason I have certain rounds for specific situations
@Purified Water II i get what you're thinking but you have to keep in mind that of todays time people " bad guys" are actually preparing a manner to resist or withhold being penetrated by rounds.
124 is good enough for me I tried many brands up to 165 grain on my cz p07 and I managed to hit the targets center more with the blazer 124grain plus is cheap and plentiful
The last time I bought Blazer 124gr it was $17.47 a box...now it is much more expensive. WM had 115gr at $19.97 a box last time I looked. My carbine loved the Blazer 124's....dead center at 50 yds all day long...wish I still had it...sigh
Penetration vs Expansion & Energy Transfer @Jonah Patton although unpopular, your opinion is statistically and strategically accurate. While expansion and energy transfer should be valued, penetration is the most disabling measure of a cartridge. There's a reason that military cartridges have trended smaller while their load has become bigger. On top of that, favoring a penetration round mutes your adversaries use of some walls and increases your rounds ability to get thru thick clothing and some "bullet proofing" materials. The only time penetration should not be your priority is when collateral damage is a likely issue (home defense with kids in the next room etc)
One important factor determining more or less power would be barrel length. Heavier bullets tend to better perform on shorter barrels vs lighter bullets on shorter barrels. What was the barrel length of your gun?
You picked a Brand with under powered rounds, in other words light loads. Next time try 124gr pushing 1200fps, and 115gr pushing 1150fps. We ran the same test using a Ford Explorer, the 124gr NATO Winchester Brand punched right through both front doors when engaged at 20 yards, the 115gr Winchester just cracked the door panel on the passenger side after passing through the driver's door. the 147gr Winchester dented the passenger door.
Ok 👍 but check first if it doesn't get jammed in the chamber because the 147gr has a flat nose and occasionally it got stuck a couple of times in my Glock 17.
@@wread1982 I don't care about brands as long as they shoot I'm wanting the extra weight down range is all.gpt a Taurus G2c with a 30 round mag I want it weight 10 lbs fully loaded🤣
Great video. Better visual illustration than ballistic gel. The only question I have is you qualifications to conduct such a test. You didn't spend the first 10 minutes showing us that you can run backwards, while shooting a gun with one hand, chewing gum, scratching you ass and whistling Dixie. - Thank you for that
I was just curious, what Gauge or MM thickness was the sheetmetal? I have read that here in the US the FBI testing is done with 18 gauge 3" apart, 2 sheets IFIRC. (It is to simulate a car door) This is 1 of 5 or 6 barrier penetration tests they use to evaluate their hollow-point carry ammo. 9mm 124gr now is as good as 40 cal ammo in every category! Thanks to Hornady's "Critical Duty" Ammo That is amazing. This has been proven from their testing, and shown in the data. Solid FMJ's should have even better penetration than hollowpoints. Hollowpoint ammo is designed for making massive wound cavities. Solid FMJ's are not. They are for target practice, (in general terms I am speaking about here.) Solid FMJs go straight thru a target with near zero expansion and small wound channels. That is why it takes multiple shots of FMJ's to equal the damage done by 1 or 2 shots of a quality hollowpoint ammo fired at the correct speed.
I think I'd try this with proper support under the full length of the bottom edge of the plates, there could be some flex in play, at the outer edges where there's no support, that might skew the results. Just an observation. interesting test, thanks for doing it!
odd findings for me. i watched another video where a flat nose 115 gr bullet, in ballistic gel, went through 2 entire 16 inch blocks, while the 115 gr round nose fmj barely made it through one
Once again, 147 gr comes through. Not over penetration. No collateral damage. 147gr JHP. MY H&K will not cycle on 115gr. And really loves the 147's. When I carry the H&K, it's always 147's.
youre just favoring something as trivial as a bullet grain because your hk was designed like garbage. get a glock 19, and itll literally eat through almost ANY brand and grain of ammo you put in it because its not designed like shit.
Good video! Simple test, straight to the point, didn't waste time telling us your life story like a lot of people do. Thank you!
Man I swear 💯
or showing us their dog in the background
💯 agreed
Total agreement!
Absolutely perfect video sir, thank you! I wish all RUclips videos would just get to the point like this while still being informative, and not just for firearms content.
your right, a draw for penetration, however the 124 grain left a cleaner set of holes. though this video is simple it teaches allot. thank you my friend.
Ive shot 147 for a long time in my G19, impulse just feels right I like theres not much over penetration. great defensive gun ammo, however I would lean to the 124 for combat use.
the FUCK do YOU KNOW ABOUT COMBAT BOY??? What? you one of theem cool school shooter kids???...Cause THAT'S the only combat you know, boy....
Yep depends on what combat scenario though. They all will work great except i know the 147 grain will be great for close quarters
124 is NATO
GREAT test, thank you. Well done! (I do wish they all could've had the same tips...but that's what they make)
In handguns I favor the 115's - but the 124's shoot darned good.
In a carbine I get MUCH better accuracy with the 147's.
@@NC-xk1eg thanks brother!
Thanks for a great video.
In tests I have performed on soft targets, all else being equal, round-nose ammo has more penetration but flat-nose ammo results in a larger wound track.
Interesting, it's usually the flat nose for the win in soft targets.
Simple but informative …..an eye opener …Nam Jamaica
People or hostile animals are not made of steel. The 9MM 147 grain is the best choice for personal defense.
In jhp sure fmj nayyy
147 did its job. It’s all about kinetic energy transfer and not about penetration. For the best self defense rounds, 147 JHP 👍🏻
Agreed....some of these youtube warriors are thinking the 115 is better because of penetration...when in fact the 147 having more energy more expansion equaling more damage..👍
@@pearlman39 BOOM 👍🏻
@PC Gamer Penetration is what stops bad people from doing bad things... more expansion less penetration....
From what I’ve seen 147 grain loads usually have around 320 ft/lbs of energy, most 115 grain loads have around 400. Dont get me wrong, I carry 147 grain HSTs, but energy isn’t in the 147 grain’s favor. I like 147 grain because it shoots softer, quieter, and launches a bigger chunk of lead into a target. More lead equals greater potential for expansion, more momentum to drive deep into the target, and in the event of a failure to expand, a longer bullet does more damage tumbling.
@@jasonvoorhees2701 Energy transfer is what stops people, period. Penetration is nice, but I would rather have my bullets expand more and transfer more energy into my target, then over penetrate my target without expending all of it's potential energy.
Interesting how the 147 grn. expanded dumping its energy and that was it. Thanks,
For the price (and "Every Day Plinking"), the 115 grain is great. For self defense, I always carry 124 grain "+ P" hollow points (that is, if I'm not ccw a .45 with 230 + P rounds, or a 10 mm with Barnes in it). But, that's just my "2-Cents" worth...!
If money were "No Object", practice with what you carry.
In shorter barrels the 147gr never truly reaches its stated velocity. In 4.5 to 5 inch barrels and longer, the 147gr does much better in reaching its stated velocity, with higher energy dump, better wound channels and beautiful expansion out of longer barrels; average expansion out of 4.5-5 inch barrels.
The 115gr is better for sub compact/micro, having softer recoil, above average HP expansion in shorter barrels and generally reaching stated velocity, but has a smaller wound channel, lighter energy dumps. I’ve seen tests, out of longer barrels, where the 115gr HP’s act like FMJ’s.
The 124gr is the one size fits all; with a tendency to reach higher than stated velocities and over penetrate in longer barrels, but reaches close to stated velocity in short barrels. 124gr has average wound channels, energy dump, and good HP expansion, in all barrel lengths.
Velocity is what causes HP’s to penetrate and expand. 147gr HP’s do very poorly out of barrels less than 4 inches, and are not as stable in flight , from short barrels. 124gr are, over all, the better choice. They shoot well, expand well, have manageable recoil, and produce a good wound cavity, in any length barrel.
Concise and informative. Thanks for the video.
man, I'm really enjoying youre videos...i never subscribe to RUclips firearm channels...until today. I appreciate the fact that half of the video doesn't consist of youre opinions, although I think id probably appreciate them. Just youre tests on ballistics and results...very informative Jack. Thanks again.
Thanks for your words brother be safe.👍
The standard German load was a 124g ball…I’m confident the Germans performed extensive testing as they are known to do…that’s what I buy when given a choice as I think it’s a good balance between velocity and penetration…the 147 fp would be a real stopper IMO too…
Thanks brother for the information.
@@Ddirnro Americans came up with 380ACP and 45ACP
@@LukeHimself Luger made the 9mm because of US and UK prompting.
9mm performance always blows my mind..
thanks for informative display !
would kinda like to see same 3 vs
cantelope etc for damage comparison.
confident the 147 would take lead.
another test against hardshell of some type.
which ones roll around inside vs blasting thru
🙏💪👍
Moral of the story : Buy 115gr, because it's cheaper, plentiful on store shelves and does the job like the other two. Most buyers seem to have an affinity for bigger numbers on the ammo boxes... and bigger numbers = bigger prices. Good video, thanks!
I prefer NATO 9mm. While it’s usually 124gr it is also hotter so I would think it’s the same as 115gr.
Recoil is a bit snappy with 115gr.
Otherwise, no difference.
Great video and really makes the point about grain power and energy. Thanks for doing this hard work.
Remember shot placement is key.
VERY VERY GOOD VIDEO !!!! HERE FROM FRANCE ( corsica) LONG LIFE TO ALL AMERICAN PATRIOTS!!!!
Merci beaucoup! Vive la France!🇨🇵
Interesting. Thanks for sharing. Take care and Merry Christmas.
Thanks Bobcat🎅
I like this guy. Good no no nonsense info. Please, Keep Coming Back
What a great video even though the 115&124 punched thru one more metal pieces it’s hard to deny the big dent made by the slower 147 but every one knows that speed is what destroys armor!!! Overall I highly enjoyed this presentation keep it up brother thanks
Thanks so much brother!
@Purified Water II probably so that we can get the ultimate protection by buying the best Armor
@Purified Water II when I put on my seatbelt I don’t do it thinking that I might be in a wreck! My body armor to me is just a little bit more protection, But when it is your time to fight any extra help is just that a little extra help it’s also the reason I have certain rounds for specific situations
@Purified Water II car doors, house doors, refrigerators, barricades. Folks tend to hide behind things when the shooting starts
@Purified Water II i get what you're thinking but you have to keep in mind that of todays time people " bad guys" are actually preparing a manner to resist or withhold being penetrated by rounds.
Thank you for the short but informative video. My confusion is no longer, thanks to you! Greatly appreciated!
Hmm, I wonder if the 147 would have gone further if it wasn't a flat nose?
i woulda had my money on the 147! nice test!
Nice neat writing on those targets.
124 is good enough for me
I tried many brands up to 165 grain on my cz p07 and I managed to hit the targets center more with the blazer 124grain plus is cheap and plentiful
The last time I bought Blazer 124gr it was $17.47 a box...now it is much more expensive. WM had 115gr at $19.97 a box last time I looked. My carbine loved the Blazer 124's....dead center at 50 yds all day long...wish I still had it...sigh
@@tonyv8925 too bad good times don't last forever so is always good to take advantage when things are good
Penetration vs Expansion & Energy Transfer @Jonah Patton although unpopular, your opinion is statistically and strategically accurate. While expansion and energy transfer should be valued, penetration is the most disabling measure of a cartridge. There's a reason that military cartridges have trended smaller while their load has become bigger. On top of that, favoring a penetration round mutes your adversaries use of some walls and increases your rounds ability to get thru thick clothing and some "bullet proofing" materials. The only time penetration should not be your priority is when collateral damage is a likely issue (home defense with kids in the next room etc)
Very good my Brother, thanks! Thumbs up!~John
One important factor determining more or less power would be barrel length. Heavier bullets tend to better perform on shorter barrels vs lighter bullets on shorter barrels. What was the barrel length of your gun?
Man, just watched, Super fine work.
This is just the comparison I was looking for!
good film.tu. At the end of the day, whichever one is on a super sale will do.
After 3 years , thank you ;d
Great video, thank you.
another nice comparison ... thanks ..
Thanks brother!
This why I load 115 g hollow point,so no over penetration 😳🤣✌️🍺🇺🇸
Great video man, thanku,,not to mention being G'd up too (Your attire) my friend!!👍🏽👍🏽
124 hp for the win. i like them hot loaded with power pistol or silhouette. thank you for the video. shooting steel is fun.
Great video! No frills and clear goals/results. I slowed it down to watch your recoil. I am curious if there was any felt difference?
No, there was no difference, thanks brother!
147 stopped short but that’s not a bad thing, means the bullet would more than likely do extreme kinetic damage and remain inside of the perp
There is physics and there is folklore. You are propagating the latter. Even these actual results do not change your mind.
Exactly;and it won't penetrate through a wall and harm an innocent person in the other room.
Doesn’t seem like there is much difference between 115 and 124 gr
Paddy Mac I've tested them (off camera) many times and the 115gr penetrates a little bit more. Thanks!
You should repeat this test with a 3" barrel pistol, using only 115gr and 124gr bullets.
Excelente prueba!! Me gusta. Muy didáctico el video. Saludos desde Argentina!
Going to watch this again, me iam a 147 fan.
Thanks good comparison
This is a great test! Thank you!
Thanks for watching brother!
@@jacktheshark7440 you’re welcome!
You picked a Brand with under powered rounds, in other words light loads. Next time try 124gr pushing 1200fps, and 115gr pushing 1150fps. We ran the same test using a Ford Explorer, the 124gr NATO Winchester Brand punched right through both front doors when engaged at 20 yards, the 115gr Winchester just cracked the door panel on the passenger side after passing through the driver's door. the 147gr Winchester dented the passenger door.
147gr for the G19 and 124gr plus p for the P365xl.
115 grain did its job. Very nice. Dont always need higher grain, to do the job.
Yes, with any ammo grain 115gr, 124gr, 147, you’ll do a lot of damage...
Thanks for the comparisons
147 grain have less recoil so putting follow up shots on target and shot placement are the most important factors so I'm sticking with 147 HST.
Ok 👍 but check first if it doesn't get jammed in the chamber because the 147gr has a flat nose and occasionally it got stuck a couple of times in my Glock 17.
I always assumed the larger the bullet/more mass would equal more felt recoil?
@@DaDaDo661 shoot 9mm 115, 124, and 147 one after the other and you'll see that the 147 shoots the softest. It has the least amount of FPS.
Excellent Test. Thank you.
Thank you very much for taking the time to do these tests. As a 9mm Glovk owner, I have often wondered about the penetration
Good job
Nice！
Ótimo vídeo recomendo aos brasileiros Brasil 🇧🇷
An excellent review. Thanks
I’m ordering some 124 for my Berettas. I always load 147.
Good job.
Good video I will go for the 124 grain
I put down plenty of 4 legged animals and many bigger than a man with Speer Gold Dot 124 + P. One shot is all it has ever taken. Quick and painless.
Thanks, that was really interesting and surprising that the 115 and 124 tied. Good video
Very nice !! Surprised me ! I thought all 3 would stop after 3 plates
That's 5 mm of spaced armor ,impressive and also proof that 115 is more than enough for self defense
Great video
Thank you,you answered my questions in this well done , straight to the point video
Thanks to you brother for watching.
Thank you sir! Well done!
Good, thanks.
Excelente, bem organizado e ilustrado...👏👏👏👏
Excellent video. Answered all my questions. Thank you.
The best test I've found so far, I've seen enough I need some 147 for CCW
Get the federal HST
@@wread1982 I don't care about brands as long as they shoot I'm wanting the extra weight down range is all.gpt a Taurus G2c with a 30 round mag I want it weight 10 lbs fully loaded🤣
Nice.
I thought the 147 would have at least gone as far as the other two but it was a flat point too.
Thanks for the demonstration.
Great video. Better visual illustration than ballistic gel.
The only question I have is you qualifications to conduct such a test.
You didn't spend the first 10 minutes showing us that you can run backwards, while shooting a gun with one hand, chewing gum, scratching you ass and whistling Dixie. - Thank you for that
I wish you could have found the bullets at the very last steel plate to see how much of their original lead they retained.
thanks for taking the time to do this. awesome man
thank you 🙂
I was just curious, what Gauge or MM thickness was the sheetmetal? I have read that here in the US the FBI testing is done with 18 gauge 3" apart, 2 sheets IFIRC. (It is to simulate a car door) This is 1 of 5 or 6 barrier penetration tests they use to evaluate their hollow-point carry ammo. 9mm 124gr now is as good as 40 cal ammo in every category! Thanks to Hornady's "Critical Duty" Ammo That is amazing. This has been proven from their testing, and shown in the data. Solid FMJ's should have even better penetration than hollowpoints. Hollowpoint ammo is designed for making massive wound cavities. Solid FMJ's are not. They are for target practice, (in general terms I am speaking about here.) Solid FMJs go straight thru a target with near zero expansion and small wound channels. That is why it takes multiple shots of FMJ's to equal the damage done by 1 or 2 shots of a quality hollowpoint ammo fired at the correct speed.
124 grain for me!
Interesting 👍
Can you please do this test again but this time with Hornady Critical Defence ? I carry it for my 19x 124g
I love simple test.
Great video thanks for posting
nice video, very objective.
at 147 the sheet metal was already crooked and therefore the penetration was different than with perpendicular sheet metal.
ok, I like the 124 gr
Great vid. Thank you
thanks again for the good information my brother from another mother. Stay safe
Beautiful Glock 17 Gen 2
Love the steel plate designs!
prob do well thru auto glass
IDK
penetration is good, if that is all there is to test for
cheers
Interesting, considering other videos showed flat tip going farther in gel
Very good vid. Thanx, Brother!
I think I'd try this with proper support under the full length of the bottom edge of the plates, there could be some flex in play, at the outer edges where there's no support, that might skew the results. Just an observation. interesting test, thanks for doing it!
Jay Lee 👍 off camera i stayed shooting more rounds and the results were the same. The 115gr almost always penetrates a little bit more than the 124gr.
IM surprised that the bullet hole remained as a circle. 😮
I'll stick with my 115 grain all day. Cheaper, more availability, and it does the job it's meant to do... Stop bad guys
odd findings for me. i watched another video where a flat nose 115 gr bullet, in ballistic gel, went through 2 entire 16 inch blocks, while the 115 gr round nose fmj barely made it through one
How do you all like civil defense 50 grain rounds? 2000 fps 450 energy... Pierces level 3 armor. Seems like a crazy versatile carry round
I like 115 grain 4 my 9mm just in case the 🎯 has armor on 😉
124 grain +P ammo is my go to. If you test +P loads it will definitely go through 2 more of those steel sheet metal.
Love the video
Thanks Gerard! ⚙ 115gr Penetrates deeper but occasionally 124gr wins (both are the same).
Once again, 147 gr comes through. Not over penetration. No collateral damage. 147gr JHP. MY H&K will not cycle on 115gr. And really loves the 147's. When I carry the H&K, it's always 147's.
youre just favoring something as trivial as a bullet grain because your hk was designed like garbage. get a glock 19, and itll literally eat through almost ANY brand and grain of ammo you put in it because its not designed like shit.