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@Jacob Maszaros Logitech G29 would be considered entry level. Not much better than what you currently have. CSL elite would be an upgrade from your T80. If you want everything to be better in every way from what you have now, get the csl elite. :D
LOL I just made the switch. I had a G25 for 12 years and now I'm on the CSL Elite. Worth the upgrade but sentimentally I feel like I'm cheating on my G25.
@@anaveragesimracer2732 same time for me...+12 years...I feel almost the same. Now I have a CSW V2.5+V3 pedals+SQV 1.5 + Handbrake + button box + 18 vibrator motors + 2 bass shakers + VR.... All this change in about a month or so... After all this, I will like to try again my G25... and compare them under the same scenario
Old time sim racer here. In the early 90's Thrustmaster released their first ever racing wheel and of course I bought it. No FF obviously, and they used a bungie cord inside the steering base to give the wheel proper tension. The pedals had cheap springs that would break every few months, literally snap in half. Luckily TM would send out replacements in the mail while I would patiently wait a month for them to arrive. Searching on Ebay only shows the second generation Grand Prix wheel with the thick rim. The one I had was the skinny rim and only 2 buttons, no paddles, no shifter. I really should have kept that wheel set as it would be a good conversation piece displayed next to my new sim rig. 😊
@@kepu26 Milk reduces the watery feeling and adds a bit of creamy texture and at the same time leaving the taste intact but also a tea with strong flavours, it mellows them soft and nice ;) Don't you put milk in your coffee aswell?? ;)
Really cool to see a wheel like this being reviewed on a very rudimentary setup with a simple desk chair. Much more relatable than with a dedicated racing cockpit.
I appreciate that! With my home already being tight for space I'm gonna remain a desk racer for some time. Good job it's a really great desk for it, being height adjustable and really rigid (IKEA GALANT)
Just got the csl elite pedals. Had them about two weeks and already looking to bring that quality to the wheel base. Thank you for this video. Will be purchasing tonight
I've been asking myself this exact question for a few months now, thank you for the insight! I guess I can thank the RUclips algorithm for showing me your channel, you earned my sub 😊
Thanks for the detailed and thorough walk through of your thought process and the advantages behind it, I've had an upgrade on my mind for a long time now but never committed to it. I think I'm a lot closer to committing now because of your video as I would definitely consider myself to be, as you described, someone who's outgrown their G29. Keep up the good work, looking to see what your next project is!
Having used G25/G29 for 10 years I really should have made the jump before now, but the CSL Elite came along and seems to have been made for people like me that need to move into the mid-range
My brother has a similiar set up and it's pretty awesome. That being said though, I am not as good or in to it, plus I got a pretty good deal so I am still very happy with my G29
I recently made the switch from a Logitech G25 (that I had been using for over 10 years) to the Fanatec CSL Elite wheel base and Pedals (w/ Load Cell). Has it made me faster? I would say there was a couple tenths in it on average, depends on the car/Sim as some cars you need more feedback whereas some you don't. Where it really made the difference is consistency and, as you say in the video, fun factor. Being able to feel more of what the car does allows you to correct micro slides and lockups etc. Much quicker, so it never gets to the point where its causing you trouble. The fun factor really comes from how smooth the FFB delivery is, no notching makes it feel much more realistic and really helps the immersion. The pedals for me made the biggest difference, in iRacing especially cause of how poor the tyre model is lockups can be catastrophic and having the load cell brake where you can actually put some proper brake pressure into the pedal as you would IRL means that you have much more control. The human body can replicate a "pressure" fairly consistently, but it will always struggle with a "distance", so a weak pedal is bad for consistency. Obviously the price difference is fairly substantial, but to me it has been 100% worth it. And +1 on the rig, I made one out of wood and an IKEA chair, the lack of any flex or movement is the key. Nothing wrong with a sturdy desk but you need a way to fix the pedals/chair 100%.
When I put my mind to it I'll figure out a way to sort my seating arrangements somehow because I totally agree with what you're saying, it's just another missing piece. I'm saving for a house, not because I want to own a home, but because I need an extra room to build a sim dungeon. But I haven't told the wife that.
One thing which always better in a Logitech than its competitors is the quick desk-clamp system... 2x 2seconds only to clamp on and off the table a Logitech wheel which is important for people who's not get a dedicated rig and use the table for anything else than just sim racing
This is true, the Logitech took 10 seconds to move into place whereas the CSL Elite is a 30 second job. That doesn't bother me but you nonetheless are right, it's a little extra faff because of the extra clamp force.
i went from the G29 for 4-5 years of use, to a thusttmaster TS-PC to save money, then a Fanatec cls elite, and let me tell you as far as the TSPC and CSL elite bases are concerned they are about the same and feel so smooth and powerful. well my new new base broke, so i finally got the CSW 2.5 Motor. this motor leigt feels like the same step up from a CSL ELite base from that logitec. the clubsport V2.5 base is not smooth, it is like GLASS, its so strong my hands can cranp and the delivery is unlike any other wheel ive used by a long shot. i bought a universal hub. tore down all my old wheels including the logitec wheel and thrustmasters, drilled them up and now i have 8 Rims to use on the fanatec motor. i would skip everything and go right to the CSW 2.5 or save up untill you can afford one. I have never felt smoothness untill i drove this wheel. all my other belt drive wheels including the CSL ELite felt smooth, until you feel what actual smoothness is. and the extra 2 Nm of torque feels like 40% more power. its the most realistic driving wheel i have ever felt and the motor can spin the wheel so fast catching a slide is effortless, you just let go and catch it every time. get a CSW 2.5 it is more than worth it. it will change your life. then i got VR and now i am inside the game. life on sim is different now completely. i am inside the cars as far as my brain knows from Vr and the wheel feels like a real car. it feels better than my real life 2014 stage 3 Focus ST and its modded to the point there is nothing left i can do while keeping it a daily driver. any more mods would have to be massive like gutting it ect....
@untitled. i bought all this new gear in october. i havnt not played a single day since then. it is all i think about and do. once you are plugged into the matrix on that new fana equipment and just a Rift S for a headset nothing insane, i started enjoying the simulation more than my real car. my G920 served me well for 4 years on a flat screen so you will be able to wait easily. but when you do plug into the matrix in the future that's it. your in..
@@EOHRyan oh my god the pedals from the logitec compared to the clubsport V3's are like. two entirely different uses. i use Virtual reality and had that with my G920 pedals still hooked up to a thrustmaster TS-pc racer wheelbase and ive always been impressed with the logitec pedals and that rubber stopper in the pedal making it harder to push. the day i tried the clubsport V3 pedals out for the first time in VR, it was like i was pushing an actual cars pedals. they are so much better that it cannot be explained, you have to feel it. i drive a 2014 stage 3 focus ST irl, so its a 6 speed stick and has a clutch. like a 23k car and good bang for your buck. the V3 pedals feel better than my cars. the G920 pedals feel like toy pedals after you use the clubsports. and before using the clubsports i thought the G920 pedals were VERY good and badass. real metal ect. clubsports are nicer than my car. even the clubsport shifter from fanatec feels better than my cars shifter with a COBB 40% shorter throw shifter plate installed on it. the gas pedal even compared to logitecs gas pedal is unreal how much better it is. it has much more travel and resistance so you can modulate it way easier. the brake can take up to like 200 pounds of force, im not even strong enough to brake efficiently with the loadcell turned up all the way. so you can adjust the brake to where you have to REALLY push on it just to hit the sweet spot before it locks up the wheels and you never lock up without ABS. the clutch pedals are just in a two difference ballparks aswell, logitec clutch and gas had no difference. the clubsports clutch has a twostage mechanism on it just like a real clutch, it gets harder harder then when its fully depressed it gets really easy at the end, it has a bite point that you can feel. now my cars real clutch feels much nicer than the V3 clutch only because it has a longer throw to it. the clubsport pedals cluch you dont have to push very far to get it all the way in. but compared to the logitecs its god level better. night and day. the fact i have to compare the pedals to a real car should say something. i wish my gas and brake in my real car felt like the clubsport pedals. but my pedals in my car absolutely shit on my G920 pedals.
@@ueehurstonsecurity8887 Interesting I used to drive an old 2003 Focus ST, the clutch pedal was really stiff on it and the gearbox was like concrete, you had to have a special touch to get it into 2nd gear, every gear change felt great though I loved that car, blew the engine in 2014 and then bought an Audi A4 Quattro, still driving it. Yeah in a real car you can really feel what the brakes are doing, it's just like second nature, there is no guesswork.. With the Logitech pedals I feel like I'm just guessing, especially trying to play Dirt Rally 2 I feel like I have no idea what the brakes are gonna do or if the tyres are gonna lock. I've been thinking about upgrading my rig but maybe I just need to upgrade the pedals to get something that feels more realistic.
I had a G29 for many years but i upgraded it to a Fanatec csl elite with Formula v2. Its much better, I have already improved my driving. I would recommend the upgrade
Quality video mate. I jumped into sim racing a few months back finally with the G29 because I didn’t want to invest too much if I wasn’t going to use it a lot but have been absolutely loving it and already thinking about the fanatec upgrade
The G29 is a brilliant wheel for the cost and I managed to have a lot of fun with mine since 2010 (counting my G25) but having never had a try of a belt drive wheel I didn't know what I was missing. You'll have no trouble shifting that wheel on at the minute, too, and possibly more than you bought it for!
At the beginning of this year I planned on upgrading from my Thrustmaster TX and took the Fanatec Elite into consideration. But there's one fact I really, really dislike about Fanatec: They lock you in (at least kind of) in their ecosystem. I have built myself a custom Rim (from a 3drap kit) which I wanted to keep. With the TX base that was never an issue, as Thrustmaster does not care which rim you put on their bases, you just need an adaptor for their ~quick~, err, _slow_ release, connect the rim via usb, done. With a Fanatec base I'd have to buy the hub for an extra €200 just to get the base working. I ended up buying an 8NM direct drive wheel. ;-)
There is an upshot to the fanatec ecosystem being that the integration of controls and on-the-fly feedback settings is really slick, very convenient. Sometimes I forget to switch profiles between open wheel and GT Cars and being able to do that via the on-wheel buttons is good. But yes, Fanatec is not for the DIYers!
Thanks for this honest review - refreshing to hear commentary that upgrading won't simply improve your lap times and that one of the most important reasons to do the upgrade is because it's fun. I think I'll stick with my G29 until the quality and consistency of my driving improves!
For sure the G29 can definitely be fast, I used it for the longest time including in league racing earlier in 2020: ruclips.net/video/b4QJaM9Q8rg/видео.html - The main rewards for upgrading to a CSL Elite or better are much much higher immersion and excitement with a splash of extra pace and consistency to sweeten the deal.
I use a bit of a weird combo. Currently I use a Logitech Driving Force GT with Fanatec CSR Elite pedals. My main wheel used to be the Fanatec 911 GT2 but after 5 years of heavy use I ended up breaking it so I went back to my old DFGT. I'm looking to upgrade to the CSL Elite eventually.
I’ve been on the precipice of this exact upgrade for about 6 months, based on this I’ll hit the buy button when I make A/S in GTS, what a reward! Great video thanks
Yo boo, use my fanatec affiliate link if this video helped you. It'll help me out loads in turn: www.fanatec.com/?FAP+Banner&General+Links&a_aid=5f3d21d010f77
Thanks for the review Danny. I did the upgrade from the Logitech Driving force wheel I bought in 2010 to the CSL Elite. Big Change. Feels like a real car now. Very happy. I tried to use your affiliate links but it seems to be based in Europe or something *not sure how to explain but I tried a few times to order from them (I'm in the USA) so ended up ordering direct and got it in two days.. I made a video on it but it didn't take long to get used to it!! Thanks so much for posting your video! In the end, I don't want to spend a lot on something that isnt much of an improvement. But this is for sure. Now I have the V-3's and the CSL! Next project is Speed Curved WIND sim. I ordered what I need to get the wind sim working and will be building it this weekend! Thanks again! DMAX
Awesome man, I'm totally happy to hear that it's a proper upgrade - it's mad how different it feels and if you're anything like me then you'll probably be even keener to get on and race. Thanks for considering using the affiliate link, it almost certainly worked and I'm grateful for you doing so. Keep doing your crazy stuff dude.
I’ve just upgraded and my CSL P1 elite right paddle shifter has started not working correctly since I’ve had it for 2 WEEKS but other then that I would highly recommend it anyone considering buying one!! Really amazing 🤩
This was a very well made video, my 2 complaints i would recommend buying vr before a new wheel, and also you didn't talk about drifting or just even if it helped you catch an unwanted slide while racing
8 years old trusty G27 to CSL Elite here. Definitely worth it. But I miss the manual gearbox that was included in the Logitech G27 package. Price for a Fanatec Shifter is the same for an entire G27 setup 10 years ago... So of course I love the Fanatec products but price wise it's like IPhones, you always want the last and the best stuffs. I just have to be patient and save more money to get more products. But yea I get that Fanatec quality is very good, but still props to Logitech for making such a reliable wheel (dirty potentiometers only so just some cleaning needed) with mostly plastic components. About overall speed from Logitech wheels, yes you can be fast with them at any game but I think having that extra information through the force feedback can help you being more consistent. I used my G27 in GT Sport with the help of the CronusMax adapter and I managed to get on pretty good FIA splits. (A-S ranks). 10 years old yes maybe, still competitive. Of course when I got the Fanatec, I got a lot better after a while. And finally pleasure factor, I fully agree with you. I drove the Ferrari 330 P4 in a 2 Hours race in GT Sport, but I loved the feeling of exiting corners with the rear sliding. I don't remember having that feel with the G27. Great video thank you :)
Don’t know how the hell you don’t have 100k subs or more, this is quality and straightforward sim racing content. Also, I’ve had a G920 for a couple years now, and this helps👍
As someone who has made damn near the same move (G29 to CSL elite with Formula V2 and Clu sport V3 pedals), it is TOTALLY worth it. I have been using my fanatec stuff for a few weeks now and have never looked back.
I have my Csl elite, Formula V2 and LC pedals in the post. This video was incredibly helpful. I've probably watched it about 10 times whilst adding fanatec stuff to basket then taking it out, over and over again. Now I'm in the standard '4 day wait for sim gear' can't stop thinking and watching vids about it all stage. Yee ol slippery slope
brilliant video. I run a G920 clamped to a desk, no rig (don't have the room for it) and a office chair with wheels, but they have an option to stop them rolling... I have pretty much needed this exact video. My plan was to upgrade to the V3 pedals first, then I was considering the CSL elite wheel. Seeing this confirmed what I thought. I'm slow.. about 5 secs off the best times most tracks in F1 2019. I know this wheel/pedals are no silver bullet, but I think for me they will raise the fun factor a lot, probably get me practicing more and improving.
Ive had my fanatec setup for about 1.5 years and I love it.... However I've had nothing but issues and I've only put about 200 hours of use on the equipment. Steering wheel constantly going out of calibration, shifter is misshifting (I'll shift to 5th and it will register it as reverse), my ebrake is constantly atleast 40% engaged at all times and will sometimes get stuck at full engagement. My accelerator pedal sometimes has issue with sensor. Fanatec is willing to help with these issues, but I'm going to have to pay out the ass and lord knows how long I'll be without all my equipment. I spent the extra money on fanatec for quality and reliability.... But I feel like I got a luxury car that requires expensive maintenance. My toy-like logitech g29 never had any issues
This is a point I raise in my later review - Fanatec stuff is great BUT if you're unlucky and get a defective unit it can be a real pain getting it put straight. All manufacturers get defects but it's how they're dealt with that makes it or breaks it, and from what I've heard it's sometimes awkward.
Nice one. I've been on the fence about upgrading from a G29 to a DD1. The DD1 is so extreme in pricing and I couldn't find any comparisons between G29 and Fanatec's belt driven bases. I can't justify the big difference in cost between Belt driven and DD. Glad you made this vid as it cements my decision to go belt driven first and save cost. Many Thanks.
Going straight to a DD1 would definitely be going all-in. By all means you will be getting a significant upgrade if you stick to CSL elite or Clubsport Wheelbase if you want the next rung up. Certainly you need to have a rig to run a DD1 and that limits me even without the cost!
@@dannyleeracing Cheers Danny. Yeah, i've decided to go with the Clubsport 2.5 with the formula wheel and V3 pedals. I didn't initially want to upgrade pedals but my son can have the whole G29 kit. I think you're right. I'm not a pro sim racer so a DD1 is possibly overkill at this point. I'm hearing good things about the belt driven base so it's definitely a good jumping point and it keeps cost down.
@@sneakygloworm I'm really confident you'll be pleased given the popularity of the CSW 2.5 - If you don't have a rig bear in mind that the Clubsport 2.5 desk clamp is sold separately apparently, so if you're planning to stick it on a desk you'll need that too. I'm sure you'll have noticed at checkout, but if it saves you from opening the box only to realise you're missing something important then it's worth mentioning
@@dannyleeracing Yeah i did order a simlab gt1 evo from Murray Motorsport in Ireland which has a month delivery time on it. I've managed to balls up the payment method to Fanatec so just waiting for them to confirm my cancellation before i can order again. Fanatec are out of stock until June so hopefully, it will all arrive around the same time. To be honest, although driving quicker is a plus, the upgrade is more about immersion for me. I always found the FF on the G29 to be a bit.....spiky and wooly. All at the same time. It always felt a bit vague to me and I could never properly dial it in without clipping. Curbs just felt like motor vibrations rather than curbs (if that makes sense) which kinda pulled me out of a sim. I'm hoping that the Fanatec gear is more refined and sharper than the old G29. By the way, do use the retention bolt on the wheel? Or do you leave it off. I'm a bit nervous about bending pins in the rim. Also, do you know how long before belts need changing? I can't find that info anywhere.
Upgraded to CSL Elite (LC) pedals a few months ago, been steadily talking myself in to upgrading the G29 wheel as well. This video tipped the balance, I hit the buy button on the Elite / P1 bundle yesterday. Really wanted a better rim, but that can be a Christmas present to myself in another few months.
I've definitely been happy with the CSL Elite. Everyone hates feeling like they've gotten bad value for money but me especially so, and I can definitely say I have no wallet remorse on this one. The basic CSL Elite F1 bundle looks like a fantastic upgrade to the G25/27/29 and if you've already been at it for 5 years on a G27, you're bound to carry on and get lots of use out of an upgrade.
Currently have a g920 and just ordered a csl elite formula because of this 👍🏼 I’ve loved my g920 but have started to notice the notches in the gear drive system. It has also started double shifting on me during upshifts which has been frustrating. Very excited for the fanatec to arrive.
As you so eloquently said, a new wheel won’t make you fast. Practice and training does that. I will say that, having begun in 1999 with Grand Prix Legends, a better setup does make your performance more repeatable and consistent. I have a TS-PC and most often let my guests use it as my G27 with Ricmo load cell is like my old motorcycle jacket, it just feels right. I am not really faster with the TS but it feels so groovy. For hot lapping yes, but as I race with nearly all details at minimum to lock onto the track I don’t notice as much. Another mod for the LogiG2x racers, use a bigger power supply and get a high torque R/C crawler motor. It tripled the torque and speed for a few dollars and a screwdriver. Thanks for your insight, you are of course 100% correct. Tourist: How do you get to Carnegie Hall? Local: Practice
It will definitely do the job, also worth applying Fanatec's recommended settings when you do go for your first spin as it changes the feel significantly: forum.fanatec.com/discussion/653/iracing-pc-fanatec-recommended-settings
I recently switched from the Logitech G920 to the Fanatec Clubsport wheel base v2.5, the ClubSport Steering Wheel Universal Hub for XBOX, Clubsport Pedals v3 inverted, Clubsport Shifter SQ v1.5, and the Clubsport Handbrake v1.5. So far I love the setup, I had to switch to a 35cm steering wheel as I selected their 27cm packaged wheel and it was a little tight around the buttons, and when I was reconfiguring the switch locations on the new wheel, I noticed that there is a joystick plug free in the Xbox hub, but when I asked the company, they just told me I couldn't add a joystick. I noticed that the F1 wheel from this video has joysticks, I wish they would add them to the Xbox hub, but other than that, I highly recommend Fanatec products.
Just made the same jump myself, waiting on the delivery, can’t wait. Great overview, much more relevant to the user or potential user than most the “reviews” you get on RUclips. Keep up the good work mate
@@dannyleeracing oo man! It is so worth it. With 2 hours of driving im already faster. I guess i was ‘ on the limit’ of my G29. Thanks again Danny and happy Holidays 💪🏻
I've replaced G29 with T300RS with GT pedals like a month ago. Not gonna lie, first impression was mixed, but only because i was so used to feeling gears in Logitech that smoothness of belts was feeling weird at first... Also pedals, especially brake feels quite diffrent... After setting up Force Feedback in games properly, it's a day and night diffrence and i'm very happy with the replacement..... My only worry is that very violent calibration and that it might make the wheelbase break... But maybe not.
Those of you who are thinking about csl or thrustmaster (tm). Tm is ok wheel base and wheel wise. As long as you are on a belt drive base. Csl has slightly greater tourqe. Also the load cell pedals are alot better then the tm pedals. I wish I had started on fanatec vs the tm stuff. Remember all wheels and pedals will have pros and cons and sometimes qc misses an issue here and there. The strange rumbling peple experience from the csl is most likely ffb setup wrong or needing to update drivers on the wheel base.
I just bought a G29 as my first wheel as I want to get into sim and yet found your video helpful. Didnt watch it to know whether Ive made a good decision because I know I did, but wanted to know an opinion on what it might be like in the future. Nice content, have a great weekend.
wait, you only have 759 subs? Fucking hell, thought i was watching someone with like 100k. You deserve so much more, such good quality videos. Very informing.
Thrustmaster is the much more affordable belt system. I loved my G25 for many years and manage to win races in iracing with it. Fanatecs price tags was just not justifiable for a belt driven system that felt simular to Thrustmasters
If you are only racing on pc, I would get the csw 2.5 wheel base. Night and day over the csl, but a little more money. Much smoother and plenty of ffb.
Im enjoying my Logitech G29 and don't see myself buying another wheel anytime soon. I bough it two years ago, but barely used since I played I raced much better with the controller. Those racing games that I completed with a controller Ive decided to go back and complete them again using the wheel this time. I almost wasted around $1000 for the Fanatec and the inverted pedals. Im glad I didnt after finding some great mods for the Logitech G29 wheel such as a GT steering wheel less heavy than the stock one and the force feedback feels much better, inverted pedals kit and TrueBrake pedal mod. All worth it and has made everything more enjoyable. When Fanatec drop the price for the CSL Elite and the inverted brakes, I'll get one.
Just placed an order for the CSL Elite F1 bundle ,Fanatec is sold out on every other bundle but (PODIUM ps4) and most all steering wheels and pedals.I have been inclined to switch from my G 29 to Fanatec for a while ,I too am at the 2 second gap from the top qualifiers ,GT SPORT is my game. By default all cars are set by the game to BOP ,I will have to rely only on the CSL F1 to give me the edge ,I hope .
Won't make you faster, but it will make you more consistent. Cheap steering setups suffer from dead zones, unreliable consistent inputs, etc. that could throw you off from one lap to the next. You can still get great times, but it will prevent you from achieving those times reliably. And as the video mentioned already, you still need practice. Better force feedback alone won't help you get faster times.
Huge update. I change my old T500rs custom ( with 85watts motor made by me ) to fanatec csw2.5, Porsche 911 gt3 r, Xbox Hub, endurance module with ITM, handbrake, shifter. This setup Just blow my mind !
Switching to a stronger, belt driven wheel, will 10/10 improve you on the limit. Especially on the pretty strict behavior of the traction in Iracing. Had the same transition from my Thrustmaster tmx to the tspc racer. In my Opinion what's more important to a good Wheel is a good pedal set, actually just a good break. Getting a set witch uses a load cell gives you so much more confidence. Since it's easier (to me) to remember a certain break pressures, rather then a pedal position and that's accounting even more in stressful situations.
Absolutely agreed - it's been a few months now and I have to say my 'rate of binnage' is a lot lower and I've definitely encountered many near-misses that I can't imagine would have been detected early enough on the G29
My problem with this is, if you're already spending 500-600 quid on wheels and 300 quid on pedals (assuming you're upgrading from the 150-200 quid G29 bundle) Then you might aswell just go straight for a direct drive setup for an extra 500 quid and get an even more superior setup.
I just bought the CSL today. I’ve had the G29 for a year enjoyed it but the throttle keeps spiking and it’s frustrating. So I was ready to move on. At least with Fanatec I can get pedals separately.
Cheers my dude, we're getting there - only 250 more subs to 1000 so we're beating a path to the door! I'll be following up soon about how I've done with my CSL Elite 6 months on.
I got the true brake mod for my G29 brake pedal plus the spacer mods for the throttle to firm it up. When I recently visited a race simulator in Leeds which featured the Fanatec V3 pedals with hydraulic brake pedal, I was surprised that my peasant spec mod felt better than the load-cell setup even with pedal set to minimum travel as I like it. The V3 throttle however completely out-shined my G29 throttle.
@@dannyleeracing depends on your personal preferences but I liked the largest and widest bung that came with the TrueBrake. It needs a week to break in but I’m sure you’ll love it after that.
Thanks really helpful I'm thinking of holding off to save the extra for the Fanatec. Especially with the backorder to late next month to get the bundle here in Australia
It's a funny situation right now where even if you wanted to get stuff, supply has dried up. Probably wouldn't have been able to get mine if I waited just a couple more weeks
Awesome video. This is what I needed to know in order to get a good idea of what to buy as a first time wheel buyer. I wish I could buy the Fanatec CSL Elite hub and get a cheap wheel, because that Fanatec looks awesome. But when a wheel and hub each cost 3-4 hundred each, that's not in the wheel house.
The cheapest combination would be the CSL Elite wheelbase with P1 wheel and CSL Elite pedals. That would run you around 600 Euros in total and you'll get the same force feedback as what I experience on my formula wheel, just in circular form. And hey, if you do jump in, use my affiliate link to reach the store page and that'll help me out mega! www.fanatec.com/?FAP+Banner&General+Links&a_aid=5f3d21d010f77
Currently have a G29 with mods and in a weekly GT Sport league. I’m glad to be doing well but struggled to describe my scenario until you said it then the penny dropped. The entire race is on the limit and the feel does get vague the hotter the wheel gets. My only problem is that the CSL Elite is knocking on a bit yet the price has not dropped at all I don’t think. There does not seem to be a second hand market for these things anywhere unless it’s a scam page stating “no PayPal.” I kinda want Fanatec to develop a new ground up PS5 wheel so their other stock comes down to working class prices.
Selling a Fanatec item on ebay is like lowering a leg of ham into a pool of piranhas. It'll disappear fast. Don't forget about Thrustmaster too, their TS-PC wheel was what I tried at Autosport and it is somewhere in between the G29 and CSL Elite.
I don't know why everyone considers the g29 cheap. Here in Serbia it's like more than 300$ only for the wheel and pedalls, I don't even know how much is the shifter. The PC I'm using right now was about 400$ back in 2014 when I got it. It's not the best but it gets the job done. I think that a decent steering wheel shouldn't cost more than lets say 100$
like the DIY stand. TBH always thought decent pedals will improve lap times more than a better steering wheel. I'm sure it's lot more fun having better equipment.
I would certainly say that if you had to do it piece by piece, getting better pedals first would make the biggest difference to consistency coming from G29. But the fun factor when I replaced the wheelbase was a real joy.
I’m making the switch from a Thrustmaster RS-GT, to the same package you have, sans the fancy wheel. Even have a damper for the brake coming, with the performance upgrade. My driving needs help. I do dirt oval, and I’ll go from mid pack, to the slowest on the track when things get slick. I did VRS for a month, but may give it another shot.
Finally someone telling the whole story. All the people saying "equipment doesn't affect speed" drive me nuts. You said it best: it's not the silver bullet but it should help.
To add a bit of context, I'd say I gained about 1% race pace due to the upgrade (which is more than it sounds) and a mate of mine who races with me found more like 5% as his ability at the time was lower. He definitely benefited but I also coached him at the same time to help. Point being he definitely was faster after upgrading!
I just want something that when I oversteer, the logitech doesn't make a rattling gear sound whenever I go offroad, or oversteer, and yeah, you could turn it off, but I want max force feedback, I want something I could fight, and hurt my arms
You want a Direct Drive wheel (such as Fanatec DD2), but you need a rig for this, they're definitely not designed for use on a desk. Direct Drive wheels have no gears or belts and so should technically be the quietest option.
@@dannyleeracing I just want to play historic leman in a gt40, do the nascar antifreeze seris in I racing, and vr in a toyota 86 on project cars 2, I just want to have fun with a direct drive, I dont mind spending 2-3k, the thrill Is what I want
I'd like to add a word of caution. I 'upgraded' from a G29 to clubsport wheel base and CSL pedals with load cell. Pedals are fine but nothing but trouble with wheel and base. Been away twice for repair within 2 months of owning. Now ive bought a thrustmaster which is very nearly as good and a fraction of the price. Just think hard before spending. I wouldn't buy Fanatec wheel again.
Sad to hear but thanks for telling us your experience - I'd do exactly the same in your shoes, they really get one chance to impress you and you sound like you've had the 1 in 100 nightmare ordeals, made worse by the fact that it's probably the busiest ever time. Thrustmaster surely have a much bigger support network at least so you shouldn't have such troubles. What wheel did you get?
@@dannyleeracing Hi Danny. Ended up getting the T300RS. I honestly think its a pretty good wheel. Its the least aesthetically pleasing wheel I've owned but when you look at the cost it really hits the mark. I don't use the pedals and have kept the Fanatec Elite with load cell. To be fair to Fanatec the repairs on both occasions took only 6 days from collecting to redelivery. I asked them if the warranty will start again from tbe repair/replacement but they said no. That was the final straw for me. I thought I would just end up having to pay for repairs when the warranty expires. Also don't get the continuous ordeal upgrading beta firmware and drivers. Is as if they are constantly chasing fixes. I've never had this with any other hardware I've owned. Maybe just me though. Like you say I could be just an unlucky one.
Hmmm. This is a really tough one but if you ask me, it's gotta be the wheel. I tried VR before my triple screens and I prefer the triples just for clarity. BUT! Driving round Le Mans at night on VR in an LMP1 car is just something really really nice. In the end though I'm going with wheel, as you have a much better sense of tyre loads with a better wheel and that feeds your brain some good data. Out of all the upgrades I've made recently the wheel was the most spectacular difference.
For immersion, vr is second to none. But it comes with costs..... Very tiring on the eyes so long races are uncomfortable. 1 hour max for me. Gets hot and steamy if you haven't got adequate ventilation/temperature control. Buttons and other irl controllers are difficult to manage. Highest resolution is a must for observing distance cars and objects.
Just made my move after 3 years with the Logitech G29. I made the move right at the time that I decided to return to league racing. I think I've made the right choice despite not owning a rig hahaha
Ok but what about for someone like me, doesn't do any competitive sim racing but instead just finds more fun in the chaos that is my uncoordinated self trying to tame cars. Still wish I could get the hang of heel-toe.. I don't think I'm capable of learning that at this point
I am planning an upgrade from G29 to a Fanatec, in ACC my G29 loses FFB during a race to almost 0 resistance, I tried to calibrate and using different LUT files, can't make it run properly. There is FFB but only for a period of time before it is weaker and weaker. The G29 also is not getting hot which would explain such behavior
I just got the V3 pedals and it is not as seamless as I thought the transition would be. The pedals have to be further out, so my legs are in a different position. The throttle throw is longer, so the powerband is more sensitive because of it. (basically it's twice the throw then stock bundle set, so that makes the powerband more sensitive to input) I drive Porsche on ACC, so that's even harder. Then there's the load cell. Lol not complaining, just giving my perspective on it. Tbh, I feel like now I have to relearn how to drive ACC again because it's vastly different.
Have you seen my video about my V3 pedal mount? Might be handy. But yes, every change will initially feel like a step back because your muscle memory goes out of the window for a short time but you will quickly be able to make use of it, trust me!
@@dannyleeracing no, but the mount is fine. I think it's moreso because the pedals are closer than the stock t300 pedals were. So the distance needs to be further out so my legs aren't cramped. Lol is that what you mean?
@@Justify4935 I had a similar issue actually now I think about it. My solution? Pull the desk away from the wall by a couple of inches. Super high tech stuff
I wanted this same combo (CSL Elite base+, ClubSport F1 wheel and basic pedals, but the day I was going to order it had sold out with ETA restock in October! (after constantly checking all week and seeing it in stock). So I panicked and went for the CSW base 2.5, ClubSport Elite pedals v3, and ClubSport Formula V2 wheel. Yeah, I went over board. All told, it costs me $2100 CAD after shipping and taxes. Almost $1K over what I wanted to spend. Still not sure it was a good decision. Lol. Of course 2 days after I made the purchase the F1 eSports combo was back in stock. What?! Thanks Fanatec. 🤔
If you truly truly enjoy sim racing that much then It's only a bad decision if you give up after a few months and throw it in storage never to be seen again. It will have residual value if you sell it, and if you do use it you'll get your money's worth over time. Just look after it well.
Danny Lee just had surgery. My stuff arrived two weeks ago. Have looked at the wheel. Been staring at the boxes ever since. Will be down an additional two weeks. It’s killing me, I can’t set it up!
Honestly I hate fov police but your fov is off by a ton Edit: you deserve way more than 700subs wow amazing video quality! My bad looks like your fov is good it’s only bad on the cockpit clips that you recorded
I currently have the TM300, and have had it for few years now, been looking at Fanatec, the DD, but can’t justify the price difference, would you say the Elite is worth it?! Playing on PS4. Thankyou!
@@ARL_geo114 for me for sure...it was a mistake buying TM in the first place....a few € more it's another world.....i'm on PC but i got the PS version for 50€ more because u never know....now i'm set for PC and PS and if get an xbox i just have to buy a new rim.
@@ARL_geo114 if u have the money go for a DD...else the CSL is a very good choice...my opinion...i recomend to spend a bit more and get clubsport rim of your choice...i got the bmw m3 gt2
I went from a clubsport v2 to an accuforce v2 and that was 1000% worth it as well. I picked up a G920 to get me by until my accuforce got in and I just decided not to race until it got here 😂 May not always make you faster but it always feels amazing to step up to a better wheel. Now it’s time to upgrade my clubsport v2 pedals to some Heusinkvelds.
I'm on the fence as well about this. I've had Logitech wheels since the DFGT. My current G29 is still working very well(4 years old). But I have that upgrade itch again. Off to check prices. Thanks for the video.
I just got the pedals about a week ago, still waiting on the wheel(wheelbase is here). The V3 pedals are ridiculous compared to the Logitech ones. I have a rig but still play in socks and I can feel in my feet when the tires are at the limit of grip, the gentle rumble motors they added are awesome, the clutch feels much more car like with a push that has a two stage feel where around halfway it just releases, similar if not exactly like the real thing. And the brakes are game changing, I find the myself having an easier time maintaining a smooth release and not having to readjust pressure anywhere nearly as much as with the Logitech ones, and the rumble really does add to the feel of a lockup making it easier to find the threshold consistently.
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I made this switch too. While I so love the Fanatec CSL Elite F1 SET, I have experienced an issue with my paddle shifter where sometimes there wont be a gear shift. This has happened less than a month of use. But regardless, its a beast but I might buy the P1 wheel as addon
@@dannyleeracing it happens when upshifting. This is an issue that develops from the wheel and can happen in any game. Amongst those I play are: Gt Sport, F1 2019, Dirt Rally 2.0 and Raceroom Racing Experince.
Hey @Danny; Thanks a lot for your video... I am looking exactly for the same type of upgrade, although I´m fully inmersed in Project Cars 2 and not iRacing. I found faboulous FFB setup files from POPSracer that made an spectacular change... so I´m still with my G29, but thinking on upgrading same devices as you´ve got. (CS3 pedals plus the performance rubbers add-on, the F1 wheel, However, I´ve got a substantial doubt on going to the CSL 2.5 wheelbase versus the one you have (v1.1) I wonder if you had the same doubt, and what made you pick the cheaper one over the expensive one. I have seen a couple comparison videos where they don´t justify the additional investment of 200€ ... what are your thought on this? I would appreciate your humble opnion. THANKS!!!!
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Haha, brilliant!
@Jacob Maszaros Logitech G29 would be considered entry level. Not much better than what you currently have. CSL elite would be an upgrade from your T80. If you want everything to be better in every way from what you have now, get the csl elite. :D
@Jacob Maszaros I ordered the club sport 2.5. should be shipping next week. I'll let you know how it arrives!
Absolute Legend
I’ve been playing for years. When I turn all assists off. The cars are simply undriveable. Everyone is passing me up.
This is the video my G25 doesn't want me to watch.
😭😭😭😂😂😂😂😂😂
LOL I just made the switch. I had a G25 for 12 years and now I'm on the CSL Elite. Worth the upgrade but sentimentally I feel like I'm cheating on my G25.
@@anaveragesimracer2732 same time for me...+12 years...I feel almost the same. Now I have a CSW V2.5+V3 pedals+SQV 1.5 + Handbrake + button box + 18 vibrator motors + 2 bass shakers + VR.... All this change in about a month or so...
After all this, I will like to try again my G25... and compare them under the same scenario
@untitled. I try PC2 and AC with the G25... more predictable with the CSW 2.5... Im a bit faster... but it feels much more real
Well my G25's lifetime is also about to come to an end. It served well for 12 years.
Old time sim racer here. In the early 90's Thrustmaster released their first ever racing wheel and of course I bought it. No FF obviously, and they used a bungie cord inside the steering base to give the wheel proper tension. The pedals had cheap springs that would break every few months, literally snap in half. Luckily TM would send out replacements in the mail while I would patiently wait a month for them to arrive. Searching on Ebay only shows the second generation Grand Prix wheel with the thick rim. The one I had was the skinny rim and only 2 buttons, no paddles, no shifter. I really should have kept that wheel set as it would be a good conversation piece displayed next to my new sim rig. 😊
I would love to see this wheel
did you just put the milk in the cup, before the tea bag? Did you really just do that? I'll subscribe but I'm extremely angry
It reduces laptimes...
😂
I think he's just milk bagging due to a lack of sand bags. 🤣
As a german....i don't understand WHY you put milk in your tea 🤣
@@kepu26 Milk reduces the watery feeling and adds a bit of creamy texture and at the same time leaving the taste intact but also a tea with strong flavours, it mellows them soft and nice ;)
Don't you put milk in your coffee aswell?? ;)
Really cool to see a wheel like this being reviewed on a very rudimentary setup with a simple desk chair. Much more relatable than with a dedicated racing cockpit.
I appreciate that! With my home already being tight for space I'm gonna remain a desk racer for some time. Good job it's a really great desk for it, being height adjustable and really rigid (IKEA GALANT)
Just got the csl elite pedals. Had them about two weeks and already looking to bring that quality to the wheel base. Thank you for this video. Will be purchasing tonight
Ya just bought myself. You will love it. ruclips.net/video/x2KkY661eqg/видео.html
I made the switch, 100000000% worth it
I wish I could afford it :(
@@ivancitos24 I am making plans to buy the g29 :(
Yes, i did the same and so in love with fanatec after g29.
Is yours direct drive
@@damianfro4855 No, honestly DD isn't really necessary I have the CSL Elite, with an F1 rim and drive GT3 on ACC
I've been asking myself this exact question for a few months now, thank you for the insight! I guess I can thank the RUclips algorithm for showing me your channel, you earned my sub 😊
Thanks for the detailed and thorough walk through of your thought process and the advantages behind it, I've had an upgrade on my mind for a long time now but never committed to it. I think I'm a lot closer to committing now because of your video as I would definitely consider myself to be, as you described, someone who's outgrown their G29. Keep up the good work, looking to see what your next project is!
Having used G25/G29 for 10 years I really should have made the jump before now, but the CSL Elite came along and seems to have been made for people like me that need to move into the mid-range
Straight up, can’t lie this bloke deserves more subs than 300
now currently, this bloke is on 9.75k
My brother has a similiar set up and it's pretty awesome. That being said though, I am not as good or in to it, plus I got a pretty good deal so I am still very happy with my G29
I recently made the switch from a Logitech G25 (that I had been using for over 10 years) to the Fanatec CSL Elite wheel base and Pedals (w/ Load Cell). Has it made me faster? I would say there was a couple tenths in it on average, depends on the car/Sim as some cars you need more feedback whereas some you don't. Where it really made the difference is consistency and, as you say in the video, fun factor. Being able to feel more of what the car does allows you to correct micro slides and lockups etc. Much quicker, so it never gets to the point where its causing you trouble. The fun factor really comes from how smooth the FFB delivery is, no notching makes it feel much more realistic and really helps the immersion. The pedals for me made the biggest difference, in iRacing especially cause of how poor the tyre model is lockups can be catastrophic and having the load cell brake where you can actually put some proper brake pressure into the pedal as you would IRL means that you have much more control. The human body can replicate a "pressure" fairly consistently, but it will always struggle with a "distance", so a weak pedal is bad for consistency. Obviously the price difference is fairly substantial, but to me it has been 100% worth it. And +1 on the rig, I made one out of wood and an IKEA chair, the lack of any flex or movement is the key. Nothing wrong with a sturdy desk but you need a way to fix the pedals/chair 100%.
When I put my mind to it I'll figure out a way to sort my seating arrangements somehow because I totally agree with what you're saying, it's just another missing piece. I'm saving for a house, not because I want to own a home, but because I need an extra room to build a sim dungeon. But I haven't told the wife that.
thanks man great reply to a great video!
One thing which always better in a Logitech than its competitors is the quick desk-clamp system...
2x 2seconds only to clamp on and off the table a Logitech wheel which is important for people who's not get a dedicated rig and use the table for anything else than just sim racing
This is true, the Logitech took 10 seconds to move into place whereas the CSL Elite is a 30 second job. That doesn't bother me but you nonetheless are right, it's a little extra faff because of the extra clamp force.
Just bought a csl elite, hopefully an upgrade over my keyboard
I dunno, might be too close to call!
It's gonna be great, come back and tell me how you get on!
I bought the csl elite too! I get it in a few days. My goal is to improve my conistency compared to my controller😊
Thanks for the review, I have a G29 and was looking to upgrade to the csl elite for gt sport, this video is exactly what I needed
Informative vid!
I'm racing the G27 with a Playseat challenge. I can't wait till I can race with the FeelVR pedals and wheel set.
Is Feel vr still going thought they ran out of money and went bust
i went from the G29 for 4-5 years of use, to a thusttmaster TS-PC to save money, then a Fanatec cls elite, and let me tell you as far as the TSPC and CSL elite bases are concerned they are about the same and feel so smooth and powerful. well my new new base broke, so i finally got the CSW 2.5 Motor. this motor leigt feels like the same step up from a CSL ELite base from that logitec. the clubsport V2.5 base is not smooth, it is like GLASS, its so strong my hands can cranp and the delivery is unlike any other wheel ive used by a long shot. i bought a universal hub. tore down all my old wheels including the logitec wheel and thrustmasters, drilled them up and now i have 8 Rims to use on the fanatec motor. i would skip everything and go right to the CSW 2.5 or save up untill you can afford one. I have never felt smoothness untill i drove this wheel. all my other belt drive wheels including the CSL ELite felt smooth, until you feel what actual smoothness is. and the extra 2 Nm of torque feels like 40% more power. its the most realistic driving wheel i have ever felt and the motor can spin the wheel so fast catching a slide is effortless, you just let go and catch it every time. get a CSW 2.5 it is more than worth it. it will change your life. then i got VR and now i am inside the game. life on sim is different now completely. i am inside the cars as far as my brain knows from Vr and the wheel feels like a real car. it feels better than my real life 2014 stage 3 Focus ST and its modded to the point there is nothing left i can do while keeping it a daily driver. any more mods would have to be massive like gutting it ect....
@untitled. i bought all this new gear in october. i havnt not played a single day since then. it is all i think about and do. once you are plugged into the matrix on that new fana equipment and just a Rift S for a headset nothing insane, i started enjoying the simulation more than my real car. my G920 served me well for 4 years on a flat screen so you will be able to wait easily. but when you do plug into the matrix in the future that's it. your in..
How much difference do you feel from Logitech pedals to clubsport? I always struggle with braking consistency with the Logitech
@@EOHRyan oh my god the pedals from the logitec compared to the clubsport V3's are like. two entirely different uses. i use Virtual reality and had that with my G920 pedals still hooked up to a thrustmaster TS-pc racer wheelbase and ive always been impressed with the logitec pedals and that rubber stopper in the pedal making it harder to push. the day i tried the clubsport V3 pedals out for the first time in VR, it was like i was pushing an actual cars pedals. they are so much better that it cannot be explained, you have to feel it. i drive a 2014 stage 3 focus ST irl, so its a 6 speed stick and has a clutch. like a 23k car and good bang for your buck. the V3 pedals feel better than my cars. the G920 pedals feel like toy pedals after you use the clubsports. and before using the clubsports i thought the G920 pedals were VERY good and badass. real metal ect. clubsports are nicer than my car. even the clubsport shifter from fanatec feels better than my cars shifter with a COBB 40% shorter throw shifter plate installed on it. the gas pedal even compared to logitecs gas pedal is unreal how much better it is. it has much more travel and resistance so you can modulate it way easier. the brake can take up to like 200 pounds of force, im not even strong enough to brake efficiently with the loadcell turned up all the way. so you can adjust the brake to where you have to REALLY push on it just to hit the sweet spot before it locks up the wheels and you never lock up without ABS. the clutch pedals are just in a two difference ballparks aswell, logitec clutch and gas had no difference. the clubsports clutch has a twostage mechanism on it just like a real clutch, it gets harder harder then when its fully depressed it gets really easy at the end, it has a bite point that you can feel. now my cars real clutch feels much nicer than the V3 clutch only because it has a longer throw to it. the clubsport pedals cluch you dont have to push very far to get it all the way in. but compared to the logitecs its god level better. night and day. the fact i have to compare the pedals to a real car should say something. i wish my gas and brake in my real car felt like the clubsport pedals. but my pedals in my car absolutely shit on my G920 pedals.
@@ueehurstonsecurity8887 Interesting I used to drive an old 2003 Focus ST, the clutch pedal was really stiff on it and the gearbox was like concrete, you had to have a special touch to get it into 2nd gear, every gear change felt great though I loved that car, blew the engine in 2014 and then bought an Audi A4 Quattro, still driving it.
Yeah in a real car you can really feel what the brakes are doing, it's just like second nature, there is no guesswork.. With the Logitech pedals I feel like I'm just guessing, especially trying to play Dirt Rally 2 I feel like I have no idea what the brakes are gonna do or if the tyres are gonna lock.
I've been thinking about upgrading my rig but maybe I just need to upgrade the pedals to get something that feels more realistic.
I had a G29 for many years but i upgraded it to a Fanatec csl elite with Formula v2. Its much better, I have already improved my driving. I would recommend the upgrade
Quality video mate. I jumped into sim racing a few months back finally with the G29 because I didn’t want to invest too much if I wasn’t going to use it a lot but have been absolutely loving it and already thinking about the fanatec upgrade
The G29 is a brilliant wheel for the cost and I managed to have a lot of fun with mine since 2010 (counting my G25) but having never had a try of a belt drive wheel I didn't know what I was missing. You'll have no trouble shifting that wheel on at the minute, too, and possibly more than you bought it for!
Oh man many championships have been one with the G29. Its not as much as a difference as you might expect. ruclips.net/video/x2KkY661eqg/видео.html
At the beginning of this year I planned on upgrading from my Thrustmaster TX and took the Fanatec Elite into consideration.
But there's one fact I really, really dislike about Fanatec: They lock you in (at least kind of) in their ecosystem.
I have built myself a custom Rim (from a 3drap kit) which I wanted to keep. With the TX base that was never an issue, as Thrustmaster does not care which rim you put on their bases, you just need an adaptor for their ~quick~, err, _slow_ release, connect the rim via usb, done.
With a Fanatec base I'd have to buy the hub for an extra €200 just to get the base working.
I ended up buying an 8NM direct drive wheel. ;-)
There is an upshot to the fanatec ecosystem being that the integration of controls and on-the-fly feedback settings is really slick, very convenient. Sometimes I forget to switch profiles between open wheel and GT Cars and being able to do that via the on-wheel buttons is good. But yes, Fanatec is not for the DIYers!
I made this upgrade myself and without watching the video I can tell you yes, yes it is very much worth it.
Thanks for this honest review - refreshing to hear commentary that upgrading won't simply improve your lap times and that one of the most important reasons to do the upgrade is because it's fun. I think I'll stick with my G29 until the quality and consistency of my driving improves!
For sure the G29 can definitely be fast, I used it for the longest time including in league racing earlier in 2020: ruclips.net/video/b4QJaM9Q8rg/видео.html - The main rewards for upgrading to a CSL Elite or better are much much higher immersion and excitement with a splash of extra pace and consistency to sweeten the deal.
I use a bit of a weird combo. Currently I use a Logitech Driving Force GT with Fanatec CSR Elite pedals. My main wheel used to be the Fanatec 911 GT2 but after 5 years of heavy use I ended up breaking it so I went back to my old DFGT. I'm looking to upgrade to the CSL Elite eventually.
I’ve been on the precipice of this exact upgrade for about 6 months, based on this I’ll hit the buy button when I make A/S in GTS, what a reward! Great video thanks
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Thanks for the review Danny. I did the upgrade from the Logitech Driving force wheel I bought in 2010 to the CSL Elite. Big Change. Feels like a real car now. Very happy. I tried to use your affiliate links but it seems to be based in Europe or something *not sure how to explain but I tried a few times to order from them (I'm in the USA) so ended up ordering direct and got it in two days.. I made a video on it but it didn't take long to get used to it!! Thanks so much for posting your video! In the end, I don't want to spend a lot on something that isnt much of an improvement. But this is for sure. Now I have the V-3's and the CSL! Next project is Speed Curved WIND sim. I ordered what I need to get the wind sim working and will be building it this weekend! Thanks again! DMAX
Awesome man, I'm totally happy to hear that it's a proper upgrade - it's mad how different it feels and if you're anything like me then you'll probably be even keener to get on and race. Thanks for considering using the affiliate link, it almost certainly worked and I'm grateful for you doing so. Keep doing your crazy stuff dude.
I made the switch a few weeks ago, along with a next level rig. Some of the best money I've ever spent.
I’ve just upgraded and my CSL P1 elite right paddle shifter has started not working correctly since I’ve had it for 2 WEEKS but other then that I would highly recommend it anyone considering buying one!! Really amazing 🤩
So absolutely worth it. I went from T150 to AccuForce V2 and it's night and day difference.
This was a very well made video, my 2 complaints i would recommend buying vr before a new wheel, and also you didn't talk about drifting or just even if it helped you catch an unwanted slide while racing
Fanatecs reaction time and torque is more than the logitech wheels so we can say catching a slide will be more easier
@@kerem7353 i know that it's a big selling point and he didn't talk about it
@@BillyTheSKID I regret buying my g29 just because of the slow and late turning speed
8 years old trusty G27 to CSL Elite here. Definitely worth it. But I miss the manual gearbox that was included in the Logitech G27 package. Price for a Fanatec Shifter is the same for an entire G27 setup 10 years ago... So of course I love the Fanatec products but price wise it's like IPhones, you always want the last and the best stuffs. I just have to be patient and save more money to get more products. But yea I get that Fanatec quality is very good, but still props to Logitech for making such a reliable wheel (dirty potentiometers only so just some cleaning needed) with mostly plastic components.
About overall speed from Logitech wheels, yes you can be fast with them at any game but I think having that extra information through the force feedback can help you being more consistent. I used my G27 in GT Sport with the help of the CronusMax adapter and I managed to get on pretty good FIA splits. (A-S ranks). 10 years old yes maybe, still competitive. Of course when I got the Fanatec, I got a lot better after a while.
And finally pleasure factor, I fully agree with you. I drove the Ferrari 330 P4 in a 2 Hours race in GT Sport, but I loved the feeling of exiting corners with the rear sliding. I don't remember having that feel with the G27.
Great video thank you :)
This is absolutely everything in a nutshell, totally agree. For the money G25/27/29 were in their own class.
Don’t know how the hell you don’t have 100k subs or more, this is quality and straightforward sim racing content. Also, I’ve had a G920 for a couple years now, and this helps👍
As someone who has made damn near the same move (G29 to CSL elite with Formula V2 and Clu sport V3 pedals), it is TOTALLY worth it.
I have been using my fanatec stuff for a few weeks now and have never looked back.
What you described with g29 was on point!!
Since I have a got csl and very very satisfied thanks for helping me make that decision
Amazing mate, thanks for coming back and sharing your thoughts, makes me happy to hear others are finding it a good step up
what on earth are you doing putting the milk in before the tea bag!
Yeah who the hell puts milk
@@jounaas me........sorry I’m a disgrace 😩😩
The review was far better than the tea, just being honest. I don't even like tea and I know that's poor etiquette. ;-)
I have my Csl elite, Formula V2 and LC pedals in the post. This video was incredibly helpful. I've probably watched it about 10 times whilst adding fanatec stuff to basket then taking it out, over and over again. Now I'm in the standard '4 day wait for sim gear' can't stop thinking and watching vids about it all stage. Yee ol slippery slope
brilliant video. I run a G920 clamped to a desk, no rig (don't have the room for it) and a office chair with wheels, but they have an option to stop them rolling... I have pretty much needed this exact video. My plan was to upgrade to the V3 pedals first, then I was considering the CSL elite wheel. Seeing this confirmed what I thought. I'm slow.. about 5 secs off the best times most tracks in F1 2019. I know this wheel/pedals are no silver bullet, but I think for me they will raise the fun factor a lot, probably get me practicing more and improving.
Ive had my fanatec setup for about 1.5 years and I love it.... However I've had nothing but issues and I've only put about 200 hours of use on the equipment. Steering wheel constantly going out of calibration, shifter is misshifting (I'll shift to 5th and it will register it as reverse), my ebrake is constantly atleast 40% engaged at all times and will sometimes get stuck at full engagement. My accelerator pedal sometimes has issue with sensor. Fanatec is willing to help with these issues, but I'm going to have to pay out the ass and lord knows how long I'll be without all my equipment. I spent the extra money on fanatec for quality and reliability.... But I feel like I got a luxury car that requires expensive maintenance. My toy-like logitech g29 never had any issues
This is a point I raise in my later review - Fanatec stuff is great BUT if you're unlucky and get a defective unit it can be a real pain getting it put straight. All manufacturers get defects but it's how they're dealt with that makes it or breaks it, and from what I've heard it's sometimes awkward.
Nice one. I've been on the fence about upgrading from a G29 to a DD1. The DD1 is so extreme in pricing and I couldn't find any comparisons between G29 and Fanatec's belt driven bases. I can't justify the big difference in cost between Belt driven and DD. Glad you made this vid as it cements my decision to go belt driven first and save cost. Many Thanks.
Going straight to a DD1 would definitely be going all-in. By all means you will be getting a significant upgrade if you stick to CSL elite or Clubsport Wheelbase if you want the next rung up. Certainly you need to have a rig to run a DD1 and that limits me even without the cost!
@@dannyleeracing Cheers Danny. Yeah, i've decided to go with the Clubsport 2.5 with the formula wheel and V3 pedals. I didn't initially want to upgrade pedals but my son can have the whole G29 kit. I think you're right. I'm not a pro sim racer so a DD1 is possibly overkill at this point. I'm hearing good things about the belt driven base so it's definitely a good jumping point and it keeps cost down.
@@sneakygloworm I'm really confident you'll be pleased given the popularity of the CSW 2.5 - If you don't have a rig bear in mind that the Clubsport 2.5 desk clamp is sold separately apparently, so if you're planning to stick it on a desk you'll need that too. I'm sure you'll have noticed at checkout, but if it saves you from opening the box only to realise you're missing something important then it's worth mentioning
@@dannyleeracing Yeah i did order a simlab gt1 evo from Murray Motorsport in Ireland which has a month delivery time on it. I've managed to balls up the payment method to Fanatec so just waiting for them to confirm my cancellation before i can order again. Fanatec are out of stock until June so hopefully, it will all arrive around the same time. To be honest, although driving quicker is a plus, the upgrade is more about immersion for me. I always found the FF on the G29 to be a bit.....spiky and wooly. All at the same time. It always felt a bit vague to me and I could never properly dial it in without clipping. Curbs just felt like motor vibrations rather than curbs (if that makes sense) which kinda pulled me out of a sim. I'm hoping that the Fanatec gear is more refined and sharper than the old G29. By the way, do use the retention bolt on the wheel? Or do you leave it off. I'm a bit nervous about bending pins in the rim. Also, do you know how long before belts need changing? I can't find that info anywhere.
Ya I was in the same boat. Was going to go with the Accuforce V2 but decided on the csl elite. ruclips.net/video/x2KkY661eqg/видео.html
Upgraded to CSL Elite (LC) pedals a few months ago, been steadily talking myself in to upgrading the G29 wheel as well. This video tipped the balance, I hit the buy button on the Elite / P1 bundle yesterday. Really wanted a better rim, but that can be a Christmas present to myself in another few months.
Don't forget to come back and let folks know how it goes! I am 100% certain you'll be absolutely over the moon.
This is my fifth year using g27 i want to get a new wheel this video relly helps me.
I've definitely been happy with the CSL Elite. Everyone hates feeling like they've gotten bad value for money but me especially so, and I can definitely say I have no wallet remorse on this one. The basic CSL Elite F1 bundle looks like a fantastic upgrade to the G25/27/29 and if you've already been at it for 5 years on a G27, you're bound to carry on and get lots of use out of an upgrade.
My current g29 wheel has died and I'm looking to upgrade. Can this wheel work with g29 pedals and shifter?
@@bandy6450 My friend haves fanatec v2 and hes using g27 pedals with usb adapter.
You will love it if you decide to upgrade. ruclips.net/video/x2KkY661eqg/видео.html
Currently have a g920 and just ordered a csl elite formula because of this 👍🏼 I’ve loved my g920 but have started to notice the notches in the gear drive system. It has also started double shifting on me during upshifts which has been frustrating. Very excited for the fanatec to arrive.
You're going to be a happy bloke, the CSL is a brilliant wheel and the formula rim is just too cool. Enjoy, and come back and tell us how you get on.
As you so eloquently said, a new wheel won’t make you fast. Practice and training does that. I will say that, having begun in 1999 with Grand Prix Legends, a better setup does make your performance more repeatable and consistent.
I have a TS-PC and most often let my guests use it as my G27 with Ricmo load cell is like my old motorcycle jacket, it just feels right.
I am not really faster with the TS but it feels so groovy. For hot lapping yes, but as I race with nearly all details at minimum to lock onto the track I don’t notice as much.
Another mod for the LogiG2x racers, use a bigger power supply and get a high torque R/C crawler motor. It tripled the torque and speed for a few dollars and a screwdriver.
Thanks for your insight, you are of course 100% correct.
Tourist: How do you get to Carnegie Hall? Local: Practice
Thanks amazing video i am a usually a fast qualifier but i am not very consistent in the race SO i decided to buy the csl elite f1 set
It will definitely do the job, also worth applying Fanatec's recommended settings when you do go for your first spin as it changes the feel significantly: forum.fanatec.com/discussion/653/iracing-pc-fanatec-recommended-settings
How do you like the F1 wheel. I went with the F1 Carbon. Really nice wheel. ruclips.net/video/x2KkY661eqg/видео.html
FlightTrack Sim Gaming i went with the esports f1 wheel
Really great video! Thanks for all the info. Very well written and edited as well!
Man your content is very high quality congrats! You really deserve more attention
I recently switched from the Logitech G920 to the Fanatec Clubsport wheel base v2.5, the ClubSport Steering Wheel Universal Hub for XBOX, Clubsport Pedals v3 inverted, Clubsport Shifter SQ v1.5, and the Clubsport Handbrake v1.5. So far I love the setup, I had to switch to a 35cm steering wheel as I selected their 27cm packaged wheel and it was a little tight around the buttons, and when I was reconfiguring the switch locations on the new wheel, I noticed that there is a joystick plug free in the Xbox hub, but when I asked the company, they just told me I couldn't add a joystick. I noticed that the F1 wheel from this video has joysticks, I wish they would add them to the Xbox hub, but other than that, I highly recommend Fanatec products.
Just made the same jump myself, waiting on the delivery, can’t wait. Great overview, much more relevant to the user or potential user than most the “reviews” you get on RUclips. Keep up the good work mate
Let us know how long it takes to arrive from Germany
AC Milan 1899 will do mate
AC Milan 1899 booked to arrive tomorrow mate and I ordered it when out of stock on 12th May, due date was 29th but arriving 2 days early, bonus
I went from G920 to F1 CSL Elite and the feeling of driving put a big ol' smile on my face. So much fun
Totally agree, and I feel like the fun factor isn't highlighted enough when people talk about upgrading, because it's the best part!
Danny Lee right? Hitting the first chicane in Australia were all good feels
Good content, no unnecessary BS. Subscribed.
Agree. Tired of all the sponsored videos. ruclips.net/video/x2KkY661eqg/видео.html
I did it. Ordered it today! My G29 is going into reteirment :) Thank you for your honest advise!
Thanks man, I hope you love it as much as I do mine. I know you will, but remember to come back and tell me how you get on!
@@dannyleeracing oo man! It is so worth it. With 2 hours of driving im already faster. I guess i was ‘ on the limit’ of my G29. Thanks again Danny and happy Holidays 💪🏻
I've replaced G29 with T300RS with GT pedals like a month ago. Not gonna lie, first impression was mixed, but only because i was so used to feeling gears in Logitech that smoothness of belts was feeling weird at first... Also pedals, especially brake feels quite diffrent... After setting up Force Feedback in games properly, it's a day and night diffrence and i'm very happy with the replacement..... My only worry is that very violent calibration and that it might make the wheelbase break... But maybe not.
It’s the video I was looking for!!
Perfect
Did you pick up the csl? It’s a nice wheel. ruclips.net/video/x2KkY661eqg/видео.html
Those of you who are thinking about csl or thrustmaster (tm).
Tm is ok wheel base and wheel wise. As long as you are on a belt drive base.
Csl has slightly greater tourqe. Also the load cell pedals are alot better then the tm pedals.
I wish I had started on fanatec vs the tm stuff. Remember all wheels and pedals will have pros and cons and sometimes qc misses an issue here and there.
The strange rumbling peple experience from the csl is most likely ffb setup wrong or needing to update drivers on the wheel base.
I just bought a G29 as my first wheel as I want to get into sim and yet found your video helpful. Didnt watch it to know whether Ive made a good decision because I know I did, but wanted to know an opinion on what it might be like in the future. Nice content, have a great weekend.
Do you think that it's better to start off with a g29 instead of a fanatec as a first ever steering wheel (coming from keyboard)
@@caleb_2299 I think so.
wait, you only have 759 subs? Fucking hell, thought i was watching someone with like 100k. You deserve so much more, such good quality videos. Very informing.
Thanks man, that's really appreciated!
Nice review! I just bought today csl elite F1 and will buy LC pedal as soon as it will be available. Can’t wait till i will get it haha and i had t300
Thrustmaster is the much more affordable belt system. I loved my G25 for many years and manage to win races in iracing with it. Fanatecs price tags was just not justifiable for a belt driven system that felt simular to Thrustmasters
Whixh Thrustmaster do you have? Because my old wheel is dead and i dont want to buy the same.
@@jansonb482 T300RS is a awesome thrustmaster wheel
@@GasCanZa I'll check it out thanks!
If you are only racing on pc, I would get the csw 2.5 wheel base. Night and day over the csl, but a little more money. Much smoother and plenty of ffb.
Would you also recommend the csw 2.5 when im on the playseat challenge? I guess the csl elite is the best upgrade from a G29?
Im enjoying my Logitech G29 and don't see myself buying another wheel anytime soon. I bough it two years ago, but barely used since I played I raced much better with the controller. Those racing games that I completed with a controller Ive decided to go back and complete them again using the wheel this time. I almost wasted around $1000 for the Fanatec and the inverted pedals. Im glad I didnt after finding some great mods for the Logitech G29 wheel such as a GT steering wheel less heavy than the stock one and the force feedback feels much better, inverted pedals kit and TrueBrake pedal mod. All worth it and has made everything more enjoyable. When Fanatec drop the price for the CSL Elite and the inverted brakes, I'll get one.
Cool thanks for posting, answered what I needed to know. Nice vid too :)
Just placed an order for the CSL Elite F1 bundle ,Fanatec is sold out on every other bundle but (PODIUM ps4) and most all steering wheels and pedals.I have been inclined to switch from my G 29 to Fanatec for a while ,I too am at the 2 second gap from the top qualifiers ,GT SPORT is my game. By default all cars are set by the game to BOP ,I will have to rely only on the CSL F1 to give me the edge ,I hope .
Won't make you faster, but it will make you more consistent. Cheap steering setups suffer from dead zones, unreliable consistent inputs, etc. that could throw you off from one lap to the next. You can still get great times, but it will prevent you from achieving those times reliably.
And as the video mentioned already, you still need practice. Better force feedback alone won't help you get faster times.
Huge update. I change my old T500rs custom ( with 85watts motor made by me ) to fanatec csw2.5, Porsche 911 gt3 r, Xbox Hub, endurance module with ITM, handbrake, shifter. This setup Just blow my mind !
You are the guy.!!! without fancy boasting, this was a great piece of info. :)
Switching to a stronger, belt driven wheel, will 10/10 improve you on the limit. Especially on the pretty strict behavior of the traction in Iracing.
Had the same transition from my Thrustmaster tmx to the tspc racer.
In my Opinion what's more important to a good Wheel is a good pedal set, actually just a good break.
Getting a set witch uses a load cell gives you so much more confidence. Since it's easier (to me) to remember a certain break pressures, rather then a pedal position and that's accounting even more in stressful situations.
Absolutely agreed - it's been a few months now and I have to say my 'rate of binnage' is a lot lower and I've definitely encountered many near-misses that I can't imagine would have been detected early enough on the G29
My problem with this is, if you're already spending 500-600 quid on wheels and 300 quid on pedals (assuming you're upgrading from the 150-200 quid G29 bundle) Then you might aswell just go straight for a direct drive setup for an extra 500 quid and get an even more superior setup.
I just bought the CSL today. I’ve had the G29 for a year enjoyed it but the throttle keeps spiking and it’s frustrating. So I was ready to move on. At least with Fanatec I can get pedals separately.
Nicely done Danny-subbed! I'm still using my G27!
Cheers my dude, we're getting there - only 250 more subs to 1000 so we're beating a path to the door! I'll be following up soon about how I've done with my CSL Elite 6 months on.
I got the true brake mod for my G29 brake pedal plus the spacer mods for the throttle to firm it up. When I recently visited a race simulator in Leeds which featured the Fanatec V3 pedals with hydraulic brake pedal, I was surprised that my peasant spec mod felt better than the load-cell setup even with pedal set to minimum travel as I like it. The V3 throttle however completely out-shined my G29 throttle.
I've got a Truebrake on the way to see how it compares to a Clubsport V3 brake, seems like it's gonna be a winner but my left foot is the judge
@@dannyleeracing depends on your personal preferences but I liked the largest and widest bung that came with the TrueBrake. It needs a week to break in but I’m sure you’ll love it after that.
Thanks really helpful I'm thinking of holding off to save the extra for the Fanatec. Especially with the backorder to late next month to get the bundle here in Australia
It's a funny situation right now where even if you wanted to get stuff, supply has dried up. Probably wouldn't have been able to get mine if I waited just a couple more weeks
Awesome video. This is what I needed to know in order to get a good idea of what to buy as a first time wheel buyer. I wish I could buy the Fanatec CSL Elite hub and get a cheap wheel, because that Fanatec looks awesome. But when a wheel and hub each cost 3-4 hundred each, that's not in the wheel house.
The cheapest combination would be the CSL Elite wheelbase with P1 wheel and CSL Elite pedals. That would run you around 600 Euros in total and you'll get the same force feedback as what I experience on my formula wheel, just in circular form. And hey, if you do jump in, use my affiliate link to reach the store page and that'll help me out mega! www.fanatec.com/?FAP+Banner&General+Links&a_aid=5f3d21d010f77
Currently have a G29 with mods and in a weekly GT Sport league. I’m glad to be doing well but struggled to describe my scenario until you said it then the penny dropped. The entire race is on the limit and the feel does get vague the hotter the wheel gets. My only problem is that the CSL Elite is knocking on a bit yet the price has not dropped at all I don’t think. There does not seem to be a second hand market for these things anywhere unless it’s a scam page stating “no PayPal.” I kinda want Fanatec to develop a new ground up PS5 wheel so their other stock comes down to working class prices.
Selling a Fanatec item on ebay is like lowering a leg of ham into a pool of piranhas. It'll disappear fast. Don't forget about Thrustmaster too, their TS-PC wheel was what I tried at Autosport and it is somewhere in between the G29 and CSL Elite.
I don't know why everyone considers the g29 cheap. Here in Serbia it's like more than 300$ only for the wheel and pedalls, I don't even know how much is the shifter. The PC I'm using right now was about 400$ back in 2014 when I got it. It's not the best but it gets the job done. I think that a decent steering wheel shouldn't cost more than lets say 100$
just subscribed so you wouldn't be stuck at that strange number of subscribers. also, good video.
like the DIY stand. TBH always thought decent pedals will improve lap times more than a better steering wheel. I'm sure it's lot more fun having better equipment.
I would certainly say that if you had to do it piece by piece, getting better pedals first would make the biggest difference to consistency coming from G29. But the fun factor when I replaced the wheelbase was a real joy.
I went from g29 to thursmaster T300 and f1 rim so much better better than g29 for FFB. Great video thanks
I’m making the switch from a Thrustmaster RS-GT, to the same package you have, sans the fancy wheel. Even have a damper for the brake coming, with the performance upgrade. My driving needs help. I do dirt oval, and I’ll go from mid pack, to the slowest on the track when things get slick. I did VRS for a month, but may give it another shot.
Mark Snyder RS-GT? Never heard of that
Enjoyed this review. Great work.
Great video, thanks for the efforts!
Finally someone telling the whole story. All the people saying "equipment doesn't affect speed" drive me nuts. You said it best: it's not the silver bullet but it should help.
To add a bit of context, I'd say I gained about 1% race pace due to the upgrade (which is more than it sounds) and a mate of mine who races with me found more like 5% as his ability at the time was lower. He definitely benefited but I also coached him at the same time to help. Point being he definitely was faster after upgrading!
I just want something that when I oversteer, the logitech doesn't make a rattling gear sound whenever I go offroad, or oversteer, and yeah, you could turn it off, but I want max force feedback, I want something I could fight, and hurt my arms
You want a Direct Drive wheel (such as Fanatec DD2), but you need a rig for this, they're definitely not designed for use on a desk. Direct Drive wheels have no gears or belts and so should technically be the quietest option.
@@dannyleeracing I just want to play historic leman in a gt40, do the nascar antifreeze seris in I racing, and vr in a toyota 86 on project cars 2, I just want to have fun with a direct drive, I dont mind spending 2-3k, the thrill Is what I want
I'd like to add a word of caution. I 'upgraded' from a G29 to clubsport wheel base and CSL pedals with load cell. Pedals are fine but nothing but trouble with wheel and base. Been away twice for repair within 2 months of owning. Now ive bought a thrustmaster which is very nearly as good and a fraction of the price. Just think hard before spending. I wouldn't buy Fanatec wheel again.
Sad to hear but thanks for telling us your experience - I'd do exactly the same in your shoes, they really get one chance to impress you and you sound like you've had the 1 in 100 nightmare ordeals, made worse by the fact that it's probably the busiest ever time. Thrustmaster surely have a much bigger support network at least so you shouldn't have such troubles. What wheel did you get?
@@dannyleeracing Hi Danny. Ended up getting the T300RS. I honestly think its a pretty good wheel. Its the least aesthetically pleasing wheel I've owned but when you look at the cost it really hits the mark. I don't use the pedals and have kept the Fanatec Elite with load cell. To be fair to Fanatec the repairs on both occasions took only 6 days from collecting to redelivery. I asked them if the warranty will start again from tbe repair/replacement but they said no. That was the final straw for me. I thought I would just end up having to pay for repairs when the warranty expires. Also don't get the continuous ordeal upgrading beta firmware and drivers. Is as if they are constantly chasing fixes. I've never had this with any other hardware I've owned. Maybe just me though. Like you say I could be just an unlucky one.
Great video Daniel!
I made the switch from a thrustmaster tx to csl elite and wow what a difference
Good to hear perspectives from the Thrustmaster side, never had a TM wheel myself so not qualified to give an opinion - thanks for providing yours
If I can only upgrade one thing, for immersion what would be better: wheel vs pedals vs VR
Hmmm. This is a really tough one but if you ask me, it's gotta be the wheel. I tried VR before my triple screens and I prefer the triples just for clarity. BUT! Driving round Le Mans at night on VR in an LMP1 car is just something really really nice. In the end though I'm going with wheel, as you have a much better sense of tyre loads with a better wheel and that feeds your brain some good data. Out of all the upgrades I've made recently the wheel was the most spectacular difference.
For immersion, vr is second to none. But it comes with costs.....
Very tiring on the eyes so long races are uncomfortable. 1 hour max for me.
Gets hot and steamy if you haven't got adequate ventilation/temperature control.
Buttons and other irl controllers are difficult to manage.
Highest resolution is a must for observing distance cars and objects.
Just made my move after 3 years with the Logitech G29. I made the move right at the time that I decided to return to league racing. I think I've made the right choice despite not owning a rig hahaha
Ok but what about for someone like me, doesn't do any competitive sim racing but instead just finds more fun in the chaos that is my uncoordinated self trying to tame cars. Still wish I could get the hang of heel-toe.. I don't think I'm capable of learning that at this point
I am planning an upgrade from G29 to a Fanatec, in ACC my G29 loses FFB during a race to almost 0 resistance, I tried to calibrate and using different LUT files, can't make it run properly. There is FFB but only for a period of time before it is weaker and weaker. The G29 also is not getting hot which would explain such behavior
I just got the V3 pedals and it is not as seamless as I thought the transition would be. The pedals have to be further out, so my legs are in a different position. The throttle throw is longer, so the powerband is more sensitive because of it. (basically it's twice the throw then stock bundle set, so that makes the powerband more sensitive to input) I drive Porsche on ACC, so that's even harder. Then there's the load cell. Lol not complaining, just giving my perspective on it. Tbh, I feel like now I have to relearn how to drive ACC again because it's vastly different.
Have you seen my video about my V3 pedal mount? Might be handy. But yes, every change will initially feel like a step back because your muscle memory goes out of the window for a short time but you will quickly be able to make use of it, trust me!
@@dannyleeracing no, but the mount is fine. I think it's moreso because the pedals are closer than the stock t300 pedals were. So the distance needs to be further out so my legs aren't cramped. Lol is that what you mean?
@@Justify4935 I had a similar issue actually now I think about it. My solution? Pull the desk away from the wall by a couple of inches. Super high tech stuff
I wanted this same combo (CSL Elite base+, ClubSport F1 wheel and basic pedals, but the day I was going to order it had sold out with ETA restock in October! (after constantly checking all week and seeing it in stock). So I panicked and went for the CSW base 2.5, ClubSport Elite pedals v3, and ClubSport Formula V2 wheel. Yeah, I went over board. All told, it costs me $2100 CAD after shipping and taxes. Almost $1K over what I wanted to spend. Still not sure it was a good decision. Lol. Of course 2 days after I made the purchase the F1 eSports combo was back in stock. What?! Thanks Fanatec. 🤔
If you truly truly enjoy sim racing that much then It's only a bad decision if you give up after a few months and throw it in storage never to be seen again. It will have residual value if you sell it, and if you do use it you'll get your money's worth over time. Just look after it well.
Brilliant video mate. Can’t afford that wheel. My CSL Elite arrives today. ( supposing alerts are right )
So it's been a couple of weeks....Thoughts?
Danny Lee just had surgery. My stuff arrived two weeks ago. Have looked at the wheel. Been staring at the boxes ever since. Will be down an additional two weeks. It’s killing me, I can’t set it up!
Thanks for the upload, excellent video 👍👍👍👍👍
I’m still using my old G27. My issue is that to upgrade I’d need to replace so many parts, it ends up over a grand for a worthwhile upgrade.
just pump 10,000 hours in to it and it'll be worth it
gt7, trust
Honestly I hate fov police but your fov is off by a ton Edit: you deserve way more than 700subs wow amazing video quality! My bad looks like your fov is good it’s only bad on the cockpit clips that you recorded
i upgraded from a TM t300 to the CSL Elite...it's another world
I currently have the TM300, and have had it for few years now, been looking at Fanatec, the DD, but can’t justify the price difference, would you say the Elite is worth it?! Playing on PS4. Thankyou!
@@ARL_geo114 for me for sure...it was a mistake buying TM in the first place....a few € more it's another world.....i'm on PC but i got the PS version for 50€ more because u never know....now i'm set for PC and PS and if get an xbox i just have to buy a new rim.
@@ARL_geo114 forgot to mention the quality because with TM is nonexistant
Bojan Saksida awesome! Thanks for the input! My TM is wearing out and the ff is fading off. I’ll be looking forward to getting the Elite👌🏼
@@ARL_geo114 if u have the money go for a DD...else the CSL is a very good choice...my opinion...i recomend to spend a bit more and get clubsport rim of your choice...i got the bmw m3 gt2
I went from a clubsport v2 to an accuforce v2 and that was 1000% worth it as well. I picked up a G920 to get me by until my accuforce got in and I just decided not to race until it got here 😂 May not always make you faster but it always feels amazing to step up to a better wheel. Now it’s time to upgrade my clubsport v2 pedals to some Heusinkvelds.
I'm on the fence as well about this. I've had Logitech wheels since the DFGT.
My current G29 is still working very well(4 years old). But I have that upgrade itch again.
Off to check prices. Thanks for the video.
I just got the pedals about a week ago, still waiting on the wheel(wheelbase is here). The V3 pedals are ridiculous compared to the Logitech ones. I have a rig but still play in socks and I can feel in my feet when the tires are at the limit of grip, the gentle rumble motors they added are awesome, the clutch feels much more car like with a push that has a two stage feel where around halfway it just releases, similar if not exactly like the real thing. And the brakes are game changing, I find the myself having an easier time maintaining a smooth release and not having to readjust pressure anywhere nearly as much as with the Logitech ones, and the rumble really does add to the feel of a lockup making it easier to find the threshold consistently.
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I made this switch too. While I so love the Fanatec CSL Elite F1 SET, I have experienced an issue with my paddle shifter where sometimes there wont be a gear shift. This has happened less than a month of use. But regardless, its a beast but I might buy the P1 wheel as addon
Does it happen on upshift or downshift? And which game?
@@dannyleeracing it happens when upshifting. This is an issue that develops from the wheel and can happen in any game. Amongst those I play are: Gt Sport, F1 2019, Dirt Rally 2.0 and Raceroom Racing Experince.
Hey @Danny;
Thanks a lot for your video...
I am looking exactly for the same type of upgrade, although I´m fully inmersed in Project Cars 2 and not iRacing. I found faboulous FFB setup files from POPSracer that made an spectacular change... so I´m still with my G29, but thinking on upgrading same devices as you´ve got. (CS3 pedals plus the performance rubbers add-on, the F1 wheel,
However, I´ve got a substantial doubt on going to the CSL 2.5 wheelbase versus the one you have (v1.1)
I wonder if you had the same doubt, and what made you pick the cheaper one over the expensive one. I have seen a couple comparison videos where they don´t justify the additional investment of 200€ ... what are your thought on this? I would appreciate your humble opnion.
THANKS!!!!