Going from Logitech G29 to Fanatec CSL Elite - The 'Months Later' Review
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
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So it turns out that buying a CSL Elite was a good move. Not for my wife, who doesn't see me anymore because I'm too busy SIM RACING, am I right, boys?!?! But seriously, after a long hiatus sim racing has come back with a vengeance for me this year and a lot of it has to do with how much better it feels on the new kit. I want to share my thoughts and try to paint a picture for those of you who, like me, are a bit on your own and don't have any Fanatec buddies nearby who can give you a try of their setups. Please comment if you have your own opinion to share or if you have questions - I'll be glad to answer and glad you stopped by. Thanks!
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I just had to make my wife watch this video. Ive got the green light
Yes brother, good work
So when are you getting kicked out of the house?
@@dannyleeracing TBA
@@antk2837 🤣
Nice work, king 👑
This guy deserves way more then hes getting. Just bought the CSL F1 Bundle (Havent got it yet) upgrading from the G29. This is the only video of the 100s ive watched that actually answers the questions we all have. Fan Fuckingtastic work my man. Once you get noticed you will explode for this content.
Same, coming from a g27. picked up the load cell as well. Will be doing wood mounted pedals like video. But personally wouldve paid a bit extra for the round wheel option if there was stock.
Facts I had already bought mine, as my 1st wheel..shh but yea you nailed everything I hope it is!!
What this guy ^^ said: please do more. I'm pre-Fanatec myself but saving up. Cheers from the US - great to see the hobby & e-sport catching on. This video is an encouragement to me & other enthusiasts.
I cannot stress how true this comment is. Thanks for the video
I have a medical condition that causes me to fatigue pretty quickly if I have to exert myself. I’d like a wheel but I’m not sure if I could handle it. Obviously the fanatec would be too much, but how exhausting is the Logitech, and can you turn the force feedback down if it is too tiresome?
Here in Brasil, Fanatec wheels costs more than a real car.
A sim, custa um gol quadrado
This is what annoys me, the exchange rate for Fanatec is wild in some countries. What about thrustmaster?
@@dannyleeracingWell, Thrustmaster are also very expensive, the cheapest that you can find is the Ferrari 488 that in my opinion only the base is worth we don't talk about Thrustmaster pedal and shifter they cost the same price as a brand new Logitech G920, Sim racing in Brazil you need a lot of money like any other hobby.
@@dannyleeracing A few days ago I was curious about the price of a fanatec, I looked for a CSL Elite combo, and it was about R$15000, It's 15 minimum salaries here in brazil. It's sad because I can't even think about getting one.
Same I'm poor ad
Thank you for doing the TLDW points in the beginning instead of dragging things out with a life story
You mean doing the TLDW points, THEN dragging things out with a life story? Cheers for dropping by man
Wish more people did this, does RUclips pay channels based on time watched or something?
@@xxczerxx of course...
@@xxczerxx thats exactly how it works
The tldw made me watch whole video lol
The fact you summed everything up in the first 60seconds just made you my favourite reviewer lol
I went the same route 3 weeks ago (except I got the Elite Loadcell Pedals and a Formula Carbon Wheel) and 100% agree with you. The Force Feedback is completely different. I never understood when people said "more detailed FFB" until I first tried my CSL Elite. You get so much more information. A big plus on immersion but also a big plus on consistency.
The comparison I like to make is "My G29 was a TOY that got me into sim racing. The CSL Elite is SIM RACING EQUIPMENT." Sounds ridiculous but it's true.
One more thing: My girlfriend HATED the rumbling noise the G29 made. After my first session with the CSL she said "It was a very good idea to get the new wheel."
Maybe that's a good argument some of you can use;-)
Also, as a current G920 owner (planning to upgrade to Fanatec CSW 2.5), my G920 makes a very specific clunking noise when turning hard against the force feedback.
Idem ahahahah
'...The G29 is a TOY..' attitude is a bit silly, its a good wheel - just not nearly as good as belt or direct drive wheels for hardcore sim racers. And for the price it provides a lot of value to a lot of people, not everyone who has one is dedicated to finding the last tenth of speed, a lot of us play for fun. Keep in mind a lot of games race as well as other stuff, I have a zillion controllers for different things here and that sort of investment for the Fanatec costs more than a lot of peoples PC's.
That said If I decide to upgrade I would just go straight for direct drive, in for a penny in for a pound.
@@francistaylor1822 You are absolutely right about the G29 being a great wheel. I just wanted to give my feedback on the switch I made. I don't think everyone needs to go this way since there are a lot of extremely fast people on G29s but I wanted to tell the people who are thinking about it (and can afford it) what it feels like afterwards. maybe my choice of words wasn't very good. sorry if I offended anyone
@@korneliusf.5848 Im not offended, but it does appear a bit elitest when you refer to something that is quite expensive in its own right as a 'toy'.
Keep in mind having a G29 is leagues above having a controller or keyboard, even good ones.
That said, you are 100% the G29 definitely doesn't replicate things like kerbs that well, but its still worth it - especially as a first buy so you can decide if you want to really serious up your sim gear.
Although I have no intentions of buying either of these, your video was brilliantly done.
Very informative and actually makes me want one. GG
Too expensive for an "amateur" sim racer, who spends more time playing other games than racing sims! :-P
@@tzeffsmainchannel Yeah, I just got the G920 and I'm super duper happy with it! My dad was really amazed too and he liked it so much that he bought himself a G25 with the shifter and a race stand
I bought the fanatec csl elite and formula v2 cause of these videos... they’ll be delivered today
Im so torn between getting the csl elite or the csw 2.5. i just cant decide. I have a g29 right now so either one will definetly be an upgrade.
@@sikkunusXVA Watch the Boosted Media video on that topic. I just got the CSW 2.5... its awesome
@@inkjazz Yeah i already decided that im just gonna save some money and go for the dd1 :D
How you finding the wheel?
@@sikkunusXVA no vähä saat säästää rahaa ku maksaa kuitenki jotai 700 enemmä
Thanks for this vid. I’m convinced to Go from a G29 to a CSL elite. Can you make a tutorial vid how you convinced your wife? 🤣
Wise man once said it is better to ask for forgiveness than permission
😂😂
My g29 broke on me so I've had no other choice but to join the CSL Elite gang.
Another wise man also said, no wife happy life!
The video is sponsoredddd, sooo ill watch a few more...........😅😂
Ive been using mine now for about a year, love it to pieces, worth every penny
Thank you for taking the time to make this video! I'm having such a good time racing with my G29 that I want to upgrade. Never thought simracing would be my thing, but apparently it is!
Thanks for watching! Once upgraded It's easy to forget how fun sim racing is on the G29 when you just enter the game. It's a fantastic wheel in the context it often appears in but you'll never look back once you've stepped up!
can confirm 100% when he talks about recovering spins. i'm a noob, but the first time i drove the 911 in ACC i was able to recover a spin, which never happened with the G29.
This is probably the piece of the puzzle I feel is really important - when I started sim racing, the G25 was the only player in the market, there was no choice but to get accustomed to it. But nowadays if you're starting out I'm pretty certain a CSL or better will be much, much easier to get on with if you're driving ACC, rF2 or iRacing
I upgraded to T300 a few months back, before that I couldn't even play Asetto Corsa with a G29.
The difference was instant.
I now have to get some decent pedals though.
I just got G29 (an upgrade from a 50 USD no FFB one).. well, I still have a long journey before me :D
How is it?
yes, how is it for you?
I just unboxed my g920(the Xbox version) last night. Its a huge improvement over using a controller and a lot of fun. I currently have it mounted to a desk and that would be my biggest complaint.
@@brianrichardson6320 wish i got it but i was scared it wont be good enough because its gear driven. :/
The G29 and G920 are still great wheels and are extremely popular for good reason! I had mine for long enough to say that with authority! I hope you have a great time with whatever sim or game you're using - equipment only really becomes a factor when you start getting really good on the most difficult sims like iRacing, rFactor2 and ACC but for F1 and GT Sport they're well up to the job for a long long time
i made this jump recently. G29 to Csl elite with the V2 rim and loadcell pedals. It completely changes the experience of sim racing. It's an almighty jump up that is without a doubt worth the money in my opinion. I'm getting used to it now and my driving is much better but for the first few days I was just in awe of how good it all felt
One of the best review styles ever period. Well done, considering options to move on from a g25. I'll be checking any other reviews you have on here 👍
just ordered a dd pro and i had the same leap of faith moment when hitting that checkout button
I have the full fanatec combo.. csv 2.5, sqv shifter, v3 pedals, universal hub and the v2.
Before, and for more.than 12 years I had a G25.. yes.. a 25.
I love my fanatec, but have you try the g29 after months?
I did... it was like a toy.. the shifter, pedals.. etc. I notice the difference after almost a year using the fanatec, when I did the change (too many setup, test and stuff like that) it didnt feel so great.. but.. go back... OMFG.. this upgrade worth each cent!!
Good video, informative. ive had my CSL Elite for a few weeks now, huge diference, i actually feel slower when driving but when i look at my lap times they are generally a second or so quicker than with the G29
Smooth is fast
Great info and thanks for posting! I have been using the pre G25 "DRIVING FORCE" combo since way back in 2002-ish but I finally decided that it's time to get a bit more serious than my TV tray and pedal set. So I built a full motion platform and got a decent H8a shifter. I have a couple videos posted if you want to look. Now, I'm really ready to get a better wheel and pedal set. I'm thinking of getting the V3 pedal set. I also have been thinking of the CSL elite rather than the CSW because I can get the pedal set too for that price. Thanks again for posting and thanks all who have added comments. DMAX
I had one of the first gen Club Sport Wheel Base 1.0 and after about 3-4 years, my force feedback servo suddenly quit during a race.
After a few back and forth emails Fanatec was fairly certain of the problem but only had parts for the 2.5 wheelbase. With a minor cost on my end, they quickly fixed it and had it back to me (USA) fairly quickly. I think I spent less than $100 between shipping and repair costs.
Very happy customer of Fanatec.
But... I want to know about the beer in the microwave!
I demand explanation aswell!
@@Greenbaumberg1 He's British....we like warm beer!....or so the rest of the world thinks.
@@steveman7251 You British people love to watch the world burn huh?
@@ZheikoNileth I mean they pretty much conquered the entire world and then there were just like fuk it
Speaking on behalf of the British, we are odd
Upgrading from a g27 lol. So I can't wait to get my elite. You should have talked more about the pedals. The pedals make a huge difference in your speed as well. I was gonna get one anyways but thank you for confirming my choice.
I'm still using the G29... hopefully to get the Fanatec one day ! Great review btw 👍
Here in 2022 with EXACTLY the same set up and exactly the same "Leap of confidence" . After my first week i agree 100% worth to throw a bit more money into the hobby and get the csl elite the only sweet thing is i also got in the package for 700 euros (the base+wheel, playseat challenge and Clubsport v2 loadcell pedals :D ) and im getting a gt3 wheel tomorrow as well . The feel and the consistency of my laps is OFF THE CHARTS now . For a fast and easy comparison on Spa (Assetto corsa) same tune and same car my lap is 15 seconds faster at least and please bear in mind i race karts IRL as well . I'm happy that i can actually enjoy now my hobby at the comfort of my home instead of getting frustrated on why my car locks up or understeers where i see other people flooring it
Ah LFS, FBM car, Balckwood track, Mouse steering. Those were the days!
I sadly started on this wheel and pedal combo.
I regret it not cause the wheel is bad. It’s amazing it’s just amazing.
But now that I had the money to upgrade just 4 months after getting into sim racing with this setup I’m going to simucube 2 pro ad p1-x rig
I honestly think starting on g29 is so much smarter. However the upgrade is worth it.
If anyone has questions I’m happy to answer!
Thanks for sticking a comment in so others can ask you the questions - it's so important just to get someone's point of view
I've had my g29 for 5 years using it on iRacing. It might have been force feedback and cooler wheels but I can promise you don't need it to be faster. I'm fairly rapid with my g29.
Just wanted to point this out. The finding speed argument is a misnomer.
I got up to 3.5k iRating on my G29 when I was racing like no tomorrow - it's definitely possible to be fast, no arguments there. I'd been using a Logitech G25/G29 for 10+ years because I was satisfied enough with it and had plenty of fun. It was only when I sampled a Thrustmaster TS-PC at a trade show early this year that I realised what I was missing in terms of immersion and feel through the hands.
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How did it last 5 years mine barely lasted 9 months before the padels started glitching way to much and having issues
I'm with I found speed argument
There was no finding speed argument. There was a finding speed faster argument, and that is not a misnomer.
I started with a Thrustmaster T150 and it was a decent first wheel but the Pedals broke after 11 months and then the clamp snapped about a month after I replaced the pedals. I bought the G29 and I love it (I bought an F1 mod for it too) and I am now looking at a CSL Elite. This may actually be the video that puts me over the edge
My t150 still works perfect strange not yours but just bought csl and McLaren gt3 wheel waiting for load cell
CSL sold out with no timing of restocking, CSL DD not expected until Q3 of 2021, don't have a grand and a half for a podium... Guess I'll just keep using my G29 with broken shifters for awhile longer.
Well done Danny, you hit the nail on the head. I did a similar upgrade from Fanatec CSR to Fanatec Clubsport V2 and concur with all your findings. That was the good news, the bad news is that the upgrade from Clubsport or CSL to OSW direct drive is just as big. Its not about the power my 20nm wheel is usually run at 65%, it's the immediacy, the purity of the feedback, the granular nature of the road feel and more importantly the tyre slip feel. You are hanging on to the rotor arm of the motor and just losing the belt and its connection points makes another big leap. The sensory feedback is so great that it was exhausting, your brain had to learn to deal with it.
Thanks for dropping a comment and offering your take, someday soon mate I definitely hope to concur with all of *your* findings!
I hope sharing my experience will add to this video. I don't want to contradict what Danny said, but just say that it can go differently for different people. It has probably to do with my lack of experience since I have been treating sim racing just like playing any other vidogame for several years and only recently became more serious about it.
I upgraded from the old Logitech Driving Force GT to the most basic Fanatec CSL kit a month ago. Like I said, my experience was a bit different. I have to agree, the force feedback immediately felt like I could achieve much more now, it just needed some getting used to. So in this regard I was immediately optimistic, but not already convinced, since I still couldn't perform as well as before.
It was the small things I discovered, that I haven't felt on my Driving Force GT, which made me enjoy it. For Example, I've never felt a flatspot on the tires and could now even tell on which wheel it was. Also loosing the rear seemed to become less and less of an issue.
Just be prepared that it can be more of a slow process than you might expect after seeing this video.
What took me even more time, was getting used to the pedals. Keep in mind I'm now using the basic CSL pedals without loadcell (these are going to be upgraded soon). This break pedal uses a kind of rubbery foam that you have to compress in order to create resistance. My Driving Force GT used a simple spring mechanism that didn't create any kind of noticable resistance. This created a real issue for me. I was signed up for races that go over a length of 90 minutes (+training & Qualifying) and I seriously doubted that my foot would last this long.
After one week of training I managed it barely. I couldn't even think about doing clean trail breaking, or having a real good feel in more complex corners, though.
Now it has been a month and the next race is comming. I finally feel like I have reached the level of performance I had before, but for now I'm thinking it kind of threw me back a month and I'm still "waiting" for the payoff.
That being said, it's of course more fun to drive, even if it was a little frustrating in the beginning. Also, just for fairness... I could have a distorted view on this, since it was a slow process for me and consistency is hard to measure, if you're not setting out to do that. I guess it has already improved a bit.
Thanks for your honesty. I could see how the decision to upgrade can lead to a bottomless money pit while in search of the holy grail of sim racing gear. Even after spending 3 times as much getting the CSL you then feel you have to spend even more to upgrade with a LC kit or new wheel while telling yourself you'll be more consistent soon. Better yes but diminishing returns as you spend more and hope this expensive gear remains trouble free. I am really fighting the urge to get on this treadmill.
Had a csl elite for 2 years never been disappointed yet by how good it feels when you get the settings dialled in properly. Every bump every kerb road texture wheel slip the list can go on. Every car feels different never had that on a logitech 😂 recently purchased the BMW gt2 wheel its been a superb fanatec wheel upgrade. Thinking of upgrading to a podium DD have tried DD before it's just the amount to spend on the upgrade could buy 2 csl elites n 2 gt2 wheels. Don't care what anyone say FANATEC is the dogs danglys when it comes to sim racing gear.
That set up needs a good rig!
Tell you what fella, superb presentation and review. I'm a Jimmy broadbent (lovable nutter) and Chris Haye ( he could yell your granny died and he'll still stay calm) fan. But have to say your approach is brilliant. Telling me, clearly and honest what the CSl can bring , both pro and cons. Watching this has certainly pulled me to seriously consider the CSL from my benchmark Simmer G29. thank you
Thanks dude, I appreciate that you took the time out to drop such good feedback - there's plenty of technical people like Chris and Sim Racing Garage that can tell you what makes things tick and what they can do but I'll do my best to put it in layman's terms, like you were talking to a mate. If you convince yourself into upgrading, use my affiliate link and it'll give me some kickback from the sale which is nice! Other creators will have their own links too so the power's in your hands as to who you want to credit. But above all, I want to hear back from you afterwards as I love hearing about people's first few laps!
Oh man I'm so tempted to get the CSL F1 rig, it looks too amazing
Get it. You will love it
Since I'm just starting, I will stick to the G29 and see where it takes me, but I'll keep this review on my pocket. Great analysis.
Would love to have heard what difference it makes in dirt rally as that's the driving sim i mostly play. The G29 is extremely notchy with dirt rally, so much so that bumps don't really feel like bumps and you get no sense of tyre traction.
I've got my eyes on the new WRC rim, I need a 'normal' wheel so I can play Dirt Rally again!
Just search for the best feedback settings on your wheel mate for the game you play. Game changer!
@@dannyleeracing the WRC wheel feels so cheap so maybe stay back for now
The temporary downside for me (Thrustmaster TMX to Clubsport) was fatigue and muscle pain on long races. I'm pretty fit for 40+ but It still took 3 or 4 weeks to get past the neck and shoulder pain. The wheel is amazing though.. Worth every ache and pain it caused.
This is music to certain people's ears - I love the fact that some tracks are genuinely quite a workout over race distance, it's just another way we can sample a slice of the athletic demands of real racing. I'm in the camp that believes F1/GT drivers are absolute athletes, and now I just want to go full cockpit/direct drive to really go full beans on the force feedback.
I upvoted and liked this video because of your TLDW
9 years with my g27, i love it to death. I always thought next stepup would be Thrustmaster, but CSL might be the way to go.
G27 > 2.5 wheel base (OMG) let’s just say “game changer”
cant wait to get mine!! What have you mounted it on? And how long did it take it to come after order?
@@skocngt7457 If it helps, a mate of mine uses a CSW 2.5 on a desk (as in moves it out of the way when he's not racing) and it doesn't seem to trouble him! And uses a doorstop to keep his office chair still. Madman.
Thank you so much! So rare to find an adequate review !
Hi, thanks for the video. I'm in the same boat with regards to upgrading. I have a T300RS and 50/50 in deciding to bite the bullet and press the buy it now button. I'm only a console racer on a racing rig and love it so would it be worth it to me to upgrade? Thank you.
If you truly love racing games and sims, it's always worth the upgrade. It's easy to forget that it's all about having more and more fun doing it. It's only money wasted if you aren't really into it, or if you genuinely shouldn't be spending the money because the budgie is going hungry.
I made the jump from a T300RS. All I race are GTS, and ACC. It’s sooooooo worth it!
@@dannyleeracingThank you. The problem I have is I dont know where to place the order for a Fanatec CSL Elite WRC, do you have a link or contact info of Fanatec or their suppliers please? I live in the UK, thank you.
@@markweatherall7437 Click this link to go to the general Fanatec page where you can choose a bundle or kit depending on the console you have: www.fanatec.com/?FAP+Banner&General+Links&a_aid=5f3d21d010f77
Thank you@@dannyleeracingappreciate it.
This was THE perfect video thank you. After using G29 for the past two years I desperately wanted an upgrade and this video has made me find the right way I should go.
Perfect review, conclusion up front, the FF demo and the curb explanation paint a very vivid image. Answering the CSW question was just icing on the cake. Thank you
Thanks man, I'm over the moon with how many people have said it's hit some key questions - as some have commented though, the CSW has only one motor in fact, so the comparison between them is even narrower than I understood.
Thanks for the quick summary in the beginning, gives trustworthyness to your videos when you skip all the RUclips-clickbait! Well deserved like!
Cheers for dropping by and for the feedback - People ain't stupid, if they're watching this they want to know the answer, not listen to my stand-up routine.
What an articulate opinion piece, well done! I liked the headphones simile, amongst others.
As it happens, I've had my Sennheiser HD595s for 10 years! At least. That is some hardcore equipment, possibly the origin point of many diseases, but they sound amazing paired with an ASUS Xonar sound card, also 10 years old. Averages out at £20 per year for absolutely electrifying audio.
Great video my friend. I recently upgraded from using my PS4 controller to the CSL ELITE Fanatec Racing wheel and pedals. The feel of everything thing i have is amazing, but the transition from controller to wheel is a journey for me. Rome wasn't built in a day I tell myself and to practice, use the RUclips guides and so on. I race with Need for Speed Payback and Heat, Gran Turismo Sport, Grid, and F1 2019 and F1 2020
this is an old video but I thought I should add my 2 cents as someone who started on a csl elite and made the minor switch to the csw. first off i switched because of lack of support for some of the new wheels and hubs etc. fanatec were putting out, and i felt behind. i could never find information for certain things about the csl that i could vary quickly find for the csw and id end up messing with the wrong settings and was never confident in what i was feeling from the wheel, when I switched to the csw all the already set settings felt perfect (other then the drift mode being set to -5 i like to keep it around -2 because at -5 the wheel felt super slow to self steer during a slide in iracing or when i was just messing around and drifting in forza), the wheel felt like it had less clipping and i felt that it was way more smooth and detailed in what i was feeling, i still feel i should of saved a little more and went to a dd1 since i already had a pretty similar wheel base, but im still super happy with the csw and if you can spare the extra cash i think its well worth the extra cost over the csl. also if youre playing at a desk i would not get the cheapest pedals fanatec has to offer, they arent the greatest feeling and the break pedal is so ungodly stiff that if youre using it on anything there then bolted to a rig it will flip every time you try and really get on the breaks, and it being so stiff and such a short throw, made it so it was very hard to be consistent with my breaking, like if you cant afford the clubsport pedals id almost be tempted to tell you to stick with the Logitech ones till you can. and ill add to the customer service as i unfortunately had to use them. they are polite but take quite a bit to respond, i had an issue where the h pattern on my shifter wouldn't work but the sequential would, i sent it back and they fixed it in about 2 weeks and refunded my shipping cost when i showed them my receipt. they did help me with all my questions on setting everything up (because it was my first time and i skipped a lot of stuff in the instruction manual and thought things were broke when really i just had my pedals plugged into the pc and wheel base at the same time 🤦♂️)
Great video, exactly what I needed to know, very informative! Thank you!
This is a nice reinforcement of the purchase I just made. My first sim set is going to be the Clubsport v2.5 with the Clubsport V3 pedals. I'm stoked
I've literally just gone from my old G920 to a CSL Elite + with the BMW GT2 wheel... Night and day differences, so happy with my upgrade...
next to do the pedals
Thanks for dropping your thoughts in the comments. Makes me look like I might not be talking rubbish, something which previously my wife thought impossible.
I am 16 and don’t have a job yet so I am doing yard work at my grandparents, they have a PS4 and we’re going to buy a cheap trust master wheel, so I was able to get them to split the cost of a g29 with me, but let me tell you, you have me convinced to buy this when I get a job and want an upgrade, thanks
That's awesome man, best thing you can do is have the absolute best time with your G29 and get the value out of it after having worked and saved for it - I used a G25/G29 for 10 years so you know it will have the legs.
A very solid review. You deserve more subs then you have now. Keep up the work
Thanks dude, let's hope this comment ages badly!
I switched from T300 to fanatec csl elite f1 bundle and holy I couldn't believe how much I loved the experience of the csl elite the pedals and ffb really changed my enjoyment of racing sims to anyone that sees this and wants to upgrade if u have the money do it! Its such a good upgrade (or wait for the csl dd which will be even better)
I went for the csl elite F1 pack with the load cell add on. Some of the best money I've spent, and agree with everything in the vid. If I ever outgrow this base, I'll go straight to direct drive. But at the moment, I'm completely happy with it.
Same here, the next step up is a Direct Drive but for that I'll be needing a rig and a space to put it. I'm far more likely to just get the rig and run the CSL with things turned up to the back teeth, til the day it conks out.
@@dannyleeracing I got a rig when I upgraded (next level FGT), which is why I didn't splash out on the CSW. Which was the right choice, as that adds so much more than a slightly better base would have. Recommended
My G29 left paddle shifters stopped working. So I’ve ordered my CSL elite. Can’t wait
I am about to pull the plug on a CSL Elite wheel as well with the WRC steering wheel, load cell brakes and standard shifter.
Awesome! Just remember to hit the affiliate link in the description if I was helpful in any way, you'll be directly contributing to my mission just by doing that!
Great video. A lot of niggling questions answered here that have made me apprehensive about spending the extra £. I'll be looking to get the CSL Elite very shortly.
I'm confident you'll be really pleased with the result if you're coming from a G29. The CSL will absolutely be a nice surprise when you first get out on track with it.
@@dannyleeracing Yeah cheers Danny and in fact I have now ordered the fanatec CSL Elite bundle with the GT racing wheel. I thought about going for an F1 style wheel like you, but I'm not 100% sure I'll get on with it and I know I can always upgrade at a later date if I so wish. But I think the first thing I will upgrade is the pedals and I will be looking at a load cell. They look really good.
I have however read a few horror stories across the forums about people not receiving their orders for a very long time, some folks in America claiming to have been waiting months. This made me wonder (with you being in the UK also) how long it took you? Obviously I know the pandemic has played a part so things may have settled down somewhat now.
I'm eagerly awaiting.
I went from a thrustmaster t150 to the fanatec csl elite f1 and I also orded the p1 wheel as well. Had it for close to a year now and yes it's worth it. Good video man
Probably the best review I’ve ever seen for sim racing. I’m upgrading from a t300 - hope I get a similar wow feeling
Thank you bro, im ordering this on sunday, and this is exactly my upgrade! Thank you again
Nice mate, I am sure you will absolutely love it. I haven't left mine alone for more than a day, literally so fun.
Might just be MY experience but the CSL Elite was the first sim I ever had and still it felt vague and loose. No precision. So I sold it 2 months in. Had to go direct drive and I'm extremely happy.
I may be more of a snob than most but I honestly think if you can wait it out and save for a direct drive setup, it's 10x better.
My guy, thats not a Review, thats a love letter! Awesome video!
Hello sir, please allow me a briefing of my situation:
I'm a 41 yrs. old dude from Hungary, I got into simracing approx. 2 yrs. ago on a PS4 controller. I'm playing the real "semi" simulator GT Sport (yeah, I know, semi-arcade also...) and I'm part of a great community with organised events on a regular basis. I reached my limits really fast on the controller and was thinking of buying a wheel for months. Unfortunately I've lost my great job of 10 years in 2019 so it was a heavy financial decision. When I was talking about this with my missus, she asked if we really need this, on which I answered WE don't, but I do, for sure. So November 2019 the G29 came. My fellow gamers were shocked as I stepped forward instantly and not saying I am the best yet undiscovered racing talent but I've learned and improved a lot during this time, especially as I've got some serious support from the fastest dude in the group, we've been practicing together a lot.
Currently I'm somewhere around the top of the midfield amongst our drivers. With bleeding nose I'm capable of running around TOP5 position if I don't bin it but it takes also a bit of luck to finish at those position(s).
Watching your video was a great confirmation if I want to take the next step in upgrade. I'd like to ask you about the pedals, tho: is it a standard version or the one with the load cell kit? Would you know the difference between them? Is it worth to spend the extra 140 EUR on the LC? Is the standard pedal set without LC also good for a "game change"?
Thanks in advance!
Andy
Fort GT Sport it would not be a super upgrade, the standard pedal with the foam "thingy" would be more harsh/resistent than your average car pedal (you would need to fix your pedals, otherwise they will be sliding away even without LC). So if you got the money and plans for future (IRacing, AMS2, Assetto Corsa, RFactor etc.) then go for it. But you can always add it later on.
So for limited budget and only plans for GT Sport for now, go with standard pedals, you will be pleasently surprised.
@@johng1968 Appreciate, thank you. Saves 140 Euros for now. :) Cheers!
Cheers totally agree. I never owned a g29 but I tryed a g27 and never expected the feeling I got from the csl elite when i finally bought one.
I'm sold, looking forward to aquire this sometimes in the next year; I'd be going from a venerable Driving Force GT to this :P
Great review. Thanks for this. I am still very very much a beginner. I have a G29 and was very intimidated to make the jump to a fanatec. Now I have some confidence in spending the money the CSL Elite demands.
Thanks man, I am sure you'll be surprised at the difference. The knowledge that there are wheels with higher power and clarity even still than the CSL is exciting for me because this one is already pretty bloomin' good.
I do appreciate this video greatly, im looking for a upgrade from my G29 myself. But one word of advice for people is to hard mount your wheel. Or just remove as much slop as possible from your setup in general. After I bit the bullet and drilled holes through my desk I gained time from getting just a bit more feedback, that was otherwise wasted in a sloppy desk mount, through to my finger tips from the G29. Also I replaced the caster wheels on my desk chair for some solid ones and that made a huge difference for braking, cause i don't slide back anymore. And they were only like $15 from Amazon.
Bell Stem Castors are what you're referring to and they're so helpful, I use them now, too: amzn.to/334iVjN - The things you listed are some of the best simple things you can do to maximise the G29 if upgrading is not really an option, especially as a lot of G29 people still use desks, like I did and still do now with the CSL. I fell short of drilling holes in the desk, though.
@@dannyleeracing Yes, those are exactly what I am talking about. Such a huge upgrade for very little cash. Fantastic bang for buck. My desk is getting on in years and definitely isn't as nice as yours, so it wasn't a huge deal to make a couple of holes :)
Nice Video! I came from a T150 and just upgraded to a CSL Elite + LC Pedals - What an upgrade! Also, I noticed that in your iRacing video, the display on the M8 shows a boost setting of '5'. This is actually a reduced power setting. A setting of '1' is full power.
Y'know, this was a really annoying issue with that race week, I dunno what that was all about! I think it's an administrative error. But yes, it explained a lot!
Just ordered my CSL Elite to upgrade from G920. G920 was a horrible experience! Couldn't fix it continously disconnecting and recalibrating for months! I reinstalled all HID and USB drivers, Logitech drivers, firmware, tried all USB slots, USB power saving, general power saving. Manufacturer assigned HID drivers vs. standard HID drivers. Basically tried every damn thing to get it to work. Couldn't try it on USB 2.0 because my PC has none, but if that is a probelm, it is a joke in 2020 for a $300 wheel! It was running perfectly on an xbox but not on my PC. Looking forward to my CSL elite F1 bundle and thank you for the great review, thumbs up!
Thanks man, cheers for watching and taking time to leave your thoughts, it's a shame your G920 gave you trouble, that's quite rare. Only one thing to mention, because a mate of mine recently made the switch and his old Logitech settings in iRacing interfered with the Fanatec wheel somewhat when he tried it. Whatever sim you're using, it's worth taking the time to cleanly uninstall old drivers and install the newest Fanatec drivers upon receipt. Either way, I hope you get your socks knocked off when you get it going!
@@dannyleeracing Thanks for the reply mate and the warning with the drivers, I appreciate it! Im sure I will! Can't wait to be able to finish a 100% race in F1 or just keep practicing the Nordschleife for hours in one go!
You got a new subscriber at the Angry Wife’s noises!!! Nice man!!!
I’m racing on a G29 and I was expecting a review like this to actually go for it.
So I think this is my next upgrade! Cheers and thank you.
Extremely helpful video! My 7 month old (at the time) g29 died over a month ago and I have yet to see a replacement from Logitech, so I was mulling over the jump to the Elite.
I ordered mine last night (upgrading from a g27). I wish I'd seen this video as I definitely would have used your link mate. Absolutely sensational video and beautifully explained! Well done!
Oh and subd!
Thanks dude - don't worry, if you've ever clicked on a link to Fanatec, like ever, then someone somewhere probably got credit for the business sent their way so whoever they are they will be super thankful you did! Cheers for the sub and the good feedback!
My TMX Pro gave out this week, so this helps alot with deciding what to replace it with. Great video, thanks!
Just a heads up, the CSW V2.5 (the current clubsport base) actually has one motor, in fact it is the same motor and power supply as the CSLE! Which means the only difference in terms of power output and feeling are due to differences in the gear ratio and the toothed belt as opposed to smooth ribbed belts. They both have the exact same power at the motor level. It is the original CSW V1 and V1.5 that have the dual motors, but they are old brushed motors much weaker than the Brushless motor in the CSLE and CSW V2
Wow, okay! I am shook. Will have to dig deeper there, if so that's pretty amazing.
I recently got back into sim racing, prior had a T300 so I got one again. Ended up returning to amazon ordered the CSL elite v1.1 and the P1 wheel. I use the loadcell pedals from thrustmaster already. Super excited to get into the ecosystem of fanatec!!
Ordered Friday, will be here Tuesday to Michigan paid for 2 day shipping!!
It's great that you gave your experience of the T300, having never owned one I can't share info like this to viewers so your testimony is really useful!
@@dannyleeracing I honestly find the CSL Elite to be absolutely stronger, way more detailed and overall just much smoother than the T300. Definitely worth the extra $100 I had to pay.
I just did this upgrade (based on this video) and can confirm that everything in this video is true. It's absolutely worth upgrading - it's not cheap but it is actually very good value for money. If I was on a tight budget I'd consider buying the pedals first, then the wheel base (and pick your style of wheel, F1/GT), then the LC brake pedal. I would say the LC brake pedal is the biggest upgrade for improving, but the enjoyment and fun from the wheel is through the roof.
Amazing man, thanks for returning and letting people know how you feel after your upgrade. I was confident you would enjoy it and I'm glad it's lived up to the hype. Have the best time with it, dude.
When I upgraded from the g25 to the csl elite it was like night and day. The steering felt like there was wheels attached to it... I could feel the rubber resisting the turn. The g25 is so grainy in its force feedback that its like watching 480p and the CSL is 1080p the Podium is 4k.
This is literally the definition of game changing.
I’m currently using a g29 and this video has helped me a lot to decide wether I buy fanatec gear or not. Thank you for your help
if you are upgrading to something better, I would suggest waiting for fanatec's new csl Direct Drive wheel to come out. I believe its coming out very soon and is a major upgrade from the CSL elite
Would love this upgrade but the big under desk attachment of the Fanatec, that messes with the keyboard slider, just turns me off. One of the great things about the G29 is how you can slide it along the desk top and snug it from above.
The CSL Elite is a great base. I bought mine back in March and love it. I tried the desk solution, but opted to go to a dedicated cockpit fairly soon as it made better sense for me.
Definitely true. Sound so stupid if use the Fanatec wheel with a table. Got to use an actual cockpit. Using a realistic wheel needs a realistic condition. Better use 3 monitors too instead of only one.
I've had to deal with the customer services of fanatec couple of days ago, I broke my wheel base and uni hub, me personally had no problems with customer service, I could sent the packages back with no cost, anyways good quality video 😊👌.
Good to know - seems like there's many people who have perfectly normal dealings with customer service so I guess that myth's getting busted for some regions. What region are you in?
@@dannyleeracing I'm from the Netherlands, this could be the reason why it was free shipping for me.
3 weeks ago I moved from a T150 to the Fanatec CSL Elite. I did not enjoy it one bit for first 2 weeks: I thought the wheel was faulty. So much jerkiness, on circuits I could drive smoothly with the T150 it was now a fight with the wheel. Until I discovered this is force feedback :-). Gotten used to it now and love it. Indeed, you do sense sooner if the car is about to get out of control with this wheel.
Awesome! If you're on PC watch there ain't any old thrustmaster drivers that might be interfering as I know of someone who had iffy outputs because of old drivers from Logitech! Thanks for letting us know how you're getting on and watching
@@dannyleeracing I'm on PS4 but also plan to use on my PC (I bought a 10m HDMI cable). The transition from T150 to CSL Elite was difficult though :-). The T150 felt easier and smoother, just because I wasn't used to much FFB. I seriously thought the wheel was faulty. Spent a whole week adjusting the tuning, trying different drivers and then I took a rest for a week. Now that I've learnt to cope with the FFB (your wheel "slipping" are actually your tyres slipping), really enjoying the wheel. Spent most of this week doing daily race on Nordschleife on GT Sport. Was never able to do a decent lap without crashing, but thanks to the wheel and being able feel when the car is at it's limit I'm doing much better times. Gonna try ACC on the PC now that I can use the big screen and won't have to move the PC every time.
@@Bolkiebasher I totally understand how it initially feels like it's actually more difficult, whereas before you could almost breeze over kerbs and bumps without feeling it, now it's actually fighting you, but as you've found it doesn't take long for your brain to really get acclimatised and the feeling through the wheel becomes so second nature. If you're using ACC I have recently posted a video about my FFB settings as I've long struggled to get a sweet spot for force feedback with that game, but no longer - if you feel it's vague, give my settings a try but don't give up if they're not right for you.
Your setup with the Clubsport pedals is around €1200 with shipping. The G29 can be had for €250, often less. That's an absolutely massive difference.
That's the point - with such a massive gap you damn well hope it lives up to expectations. To that end, it absolutely does!
My g920 has got a defect as well, right now I'm not playing racing games much but this is a much needed upgrade for when I have time to get back into this! Like many said, this is a really great video on whether it's worth it!
thanks buddy really very very useful info and what's more is your bang on correct
Pedals... pedals... pedals...
Guys fancy wheels are great if you’ve got free cash, but if it’s a choice of wheel or pedals - go pedals all the way! You don’t need the whole lot.
Lots and lots of the esports guys in ACC for example still have G29’s but such a cracking set of pedals.
So yes, to summarize...
Get a decent set of pedals!
Im looking to go straight from a control pad to a fanatec wheel. Ive been informed with my budget, to get the csl elite with a loadcell pedal. I only play GT Sport and want to use a steering wheel now.
I think it's the best value option if you have a genuine persisting interest in racing games, you'll flippin' love it man. Check in with us and let us know what you think!
@@dannyleeracing ye im hoping things go down in the sale for the CsL. Im not looking for a rig for under £250 now.
Nice one Danny. I'm a newbie to your channel and love your content and your voice. Your content is well researched with good visuals which match your script. E.g. it's nice to have a demo on screen of what you are talking about off it, there's obviously much work going into your vids. You voice is calm and easy to listen to, i can listen to it whilst working and not feel it conflicts with my work like many other more excitable youtubers do!
Cheers mate, real kind. I too prefer my news without a backing beat (Radio 1).
Thanks man moving on from my G29 soon. This video definitely helped with some questions
Never did the Logitech, I started with a CSL Elite, and its great. I have had nothing but fun with it and it is well worth the money.
I was on the fence for quite a while, I guess the sale today pushed me over the edge :-)
Just ordered my setup!
Used your link, hope it goes through OK. Thank you for sharing your experience, helped me a lot.
I really hope it lives up to expectation, I know for a fact it will but I always want to be sure! Come back and let us know how you get on once you've received it and had time to break it in!
@@dannyleeracing Will do!
Really looking forward to it, I opted for the CSL Elite base with P1 wheel bundle plus the elite pedals LC and the SQ shifter (basically replacing the G29 in its entirety). The Black Friday sale had the price of this combo drop below €1000,- which was my budget limit.
@@ncgqprophet Awesome man, really looking forward to hearing your experiences, especially going in all at once. Merry Christmas to you, then!
@@dannyleeracing First impression: OH. MY. GOD. You were not kidding. It's so smooth and powerful!
The difference is night and day, like you said the G29 feels like a toy compared to the CSL. The deadzone is gone, the notchiness is gone. There's so much more detail, I love it!
The loadcell brake did take some getting used to, but just like the wheel it's a massive step up from the G29.
There's such a great level of adjustment to all of this gear, from moving the pedals left and right, the stiffness of both the loadcell brake and the shifter, the settings in the Fanalab software, settings in the games/sims, etc. I'm still in the process of dialling everything in, probably will for a little while longer until it all clicks into place. Thankfully the defaults feel pretty good, and Fanalab has recommended settings for most games/sims which you can have loaded automatically upon starting them. Very handy.
Merry Christmas to you as well, and thank you!
I have one and if you play at least 20 hours a week or so it’s a necessary pie e of kit! My friend and family are really impressed by it
The most important thing for me is the quality of data transfer of whatever goes on the track to the wheel, so I can be precise on my driving... I do not know why people go for tons of tork, get tired unnecessarily on the arms. Its not like you are getting paid thousands of bucks winning.. thus, real racing car wheel won't be that stiff.
I just ordered this base and the McLaren GT3 V2 wheel. I need that specific wheel because it comes with 2 sets of paddles on the back, one for shifting and the other can be configured in multiple ways, but... I'm disabled, and my legs don't work, so I'll be using it as a throttle and brake. I have a POS wheel that has that feature, but otherwise makes the Logitech look like it's a real car- it doesn't even HAVE a base, you have to hold it in mid air like you do when driving a racing game on a phone or tablet, the brake axis is super flaky so sometimes I get what I ask for, and sometimes I get maybe 10-15% of what I asked for, which has caused a lot of wrecks. I had no idea why I sucked so bad until I recalibrated it and saw how flaky it was! So this is going to be not just a super upgrade, but a supercalifragilisticexpialidocious update for me!! It's not getting here until Tuesday (as I type this, it's Saturday, 5/20/23) and I am like a child waiting on Christmas!!
I'll do a video as well, especially targeting other gimps (I am one, so I'm allowed to use that word!), because until I found it (and got it at a fantastic price... The base and wheel for less than the Logitech!), I thought this piece of junk I have now was my only option, so hopefully I'll be able to help some others in my shoes (or, wheelchair) who are dealing with the same issue.
Thanks so much for the video, I love the look of your wheel, but it doesn't have the extra axis, so it's a no-go for me!
amazing review. Im hoping to make the same upgrade in the next week or so, can't wait
After buying loadcell Pedals, upgrading from the G920 to a csl elite will be my next step.
It's a complete overhaul of what you think force feedback is, come the day you slap the order button, there's no looking back. I love mine, it barely gets a break!
This video is fantastic, you really deserve more on this video and your entire channel. This specific video has finally convinced me to get a csl elite, a decision I had been sitting on for years. Thank you.
Thanks man, just make sure you come back and let folks know how it is for you. Everyone's been amazingly supportive of my work and for that I'm properly humbled. Hope you're as impressed by it as I am!
@@dannyleeracing Of course, thank you for the amazing review!
im using a g25 at the moment. just waiting until i can get the time and money to buy myself a csl elite. thanks for your videos man! you earned a sub from me :)