Yep, despite other things feeling old and clunky. The fact the tanks now die and feel fun to fight as they dont have 2 braindead im now invincible buttons being healed by supports with tank health with their own now your invincible buttons and you can be healed 600hp in 0.5s makes the game feel so much better. I was a tank main and enjoyed being weaker and having to use my brain to position and negate my heros weakenesses rather than the im a raidboss braindead dps masquerading as a tank we have now. I just want 6v6, reduced burst heal (ana is my 2nd most played hero so this is actually to my detriment) and less stupidly braindead overpowerer abilities such as suzu, lamp, moira in general, res etc…
@@ollydavis2495 True, but the feeling of holding a lobby captive because the enemy team is terrible with their Tanks. It's like they still think counter swapping is a good idea.
This is why I'm only playing classic as long as I can even as a ranked only player for 8 years. I can't stand the fucking passives and support sustain and powercreep. It feels so bad.
classic is the first time i am playing 6v6 , i have 400 hours in the game. unfortunately started playing in season 9, i absolutely agree with all 3 comments above me, it feel so good to play classic , like enemies actually die when you shoot them, after experiencing this, i am now finally enjoying the game and not just being frustrated entire game at nothing dying. i am patiently waiting for more games like marvel rival cause i have very little hope overwatch will revert season 9 hp buff and hitbox increase and obviously sustain creep, even in 6v6(i really hope they revert it) game need to stop bailing bad players of their mistakes. if i didn't enjoy tracer as much i do, i would completely leave this game for other. i just need some game to copy tracer blink almost exactly.
How come they decide to leave open queue a permanent game mode for the 10% but forever remove 6v6 despite waaay more than 10% of players wanting to play it 🧐 seems hypocritical
@@joshuacollins9316 Edit: no way bro deleted the comment L I played the game when you were lucky if you got a game in 20min in t500 and I would rather have that than how the game is now. Besides, queue times were inflated because players left after like 2 years of 0 content, it wouldn’t be an issue if they didn’t let it become one. Completely invalid. I know exactly why they switched and and it’s because they are incapable of identifying the game’s most glaring issues and therefore arrive to incorrect solutions.
They already went through too much controversy when they shit canned PvE, if they fully reverted back to 6v6 it would make them look even worse. Basically solidifying that there was absolutely no reason for Overwatch getting a sequel, except for the over priced skin shop. They just keep digging their hole deeper and deeper, for some reason they see listening to their player base as weak or something. The point of making a game is to make it fun so more people want to play it, but they keep letting their pride, ego, and greed get in the way for player number progress.
they don't want to bring back lootboxes even as a level-up reward (it is not against the law as long as you can't actively purchase it), they just want things in game to take longer to grind for more playtime from players... and shop fomo
PvE was what I wanted the most from Overwatch 2. Mostly because of the lore and I don't like competitive sweats but they gutted it because PvP whales spend more
People need to stop treating the developers like they’re their friends. When bad games come out,like Concord, no one gives a crap about those developers but since everyone is soo addicted to overwatch, they make excuses for terrible decisions they make. Like why is Orisa and Maura still the most broken tanks and why did Mauga get another buff.
@@alternatecheems8145 eh, maybe not really good but certainly decent enough to exist in the market. Its just a 40$ price tag doesnt catch a lot of people when everyones playing F2P. Also I feel like some of the character designs were just kinda meh.
This should really be a lesson on why to never use ad hominem attacks an logical fallacies against people who have differing opinions and also prolly a lesson on never say never. lol
ive already seen multiple people on twitter and on tiktok saying "yeah i like ow2 better if ow1 was like this" so you may be onto something about your point of blizzard sabotaging 6v6
oh That is Absolutely the intention, Most of the Players Now r Gold Supports Who Are Constantly Catered to and Eat Whatever's in Front of Them bc They Get to Plat on Moira Kiri LW and Feel Good and Accomplished, They Will Defend and Die on the Hill With Blizzard Every Time, They Test Out an Extremely Unpolished Uncompetitive Mode Where Support Doesnt Play itself and the Entire Argument of 6v6 Which They All Massively Misconstrue and Dont Understand Has Much Less Credit , and They Will Continue Along the Same Path of Terrible Balance and Automated Gameplay With Less Competitive integrity Every Single Patch , the Morons That Ruined This Game Can Say im Wrong But the Last Patch Notes and intentionally Bad Quickplay Hacked Modes Make it Extremely Obvious to me What Theyre Planning , as Has Always Been the Case
I think I'm done with this game now. There's just no hope for it. It's simply a skin shop from now on with balance that is based around skin sales... I'll play OG here and there for the next few weeks and I'll come back for the 6v6 play test for as long as it's in the game and being ACTIVELY UPDATED but I'm done with this 5v5 nonsense and the terrible balance patches that make zero attempt to address broken characters, continuously buff already strong characters with an obvious bias to babying Support and ESPECIALLY Kiriko, and nerf characters unjustly because they have good win rate but aren't necessarily OP. I'm fed up with it. 8 fucking years of bullshit patch after patch. Nothing has changed since the switch to Overwatch 2, in fact I'd argue it has gotten considerably worse for many reasons but *especially* due to their outright refusal to acknowledge how bad 5v5 is and constant insistence that it must stay. From the very beginning the pros told them during the beta that 5v5 was not the way to go but they didn't give two fucking shits and did their own thing. *Seriously, fuck Team 4.* They have ruined a game that could've been amazing. Whether it be the gameplay or the cinematics and story they have squandered its potential at every opportunity.
Playing classic last night was the first time in years where I smiled for the duration of every match I played. I forgot how fun the game used to be across all roles and heroes.
I have never ever heard anybody say "no snowflaking" in all my years on this planet What does that even mean? Is it an alternative way of saying no sugar coating?
season 9 was fun at first but they've slowly buffed sustain to the point dps passive doesn't matter. the only lasting impact of season 9 is the removal of most heroes' breakpoints.
@@DjNasteno the HP Buffs and Constant Buffs to Supports and Sustainability is Absolutely a Massive Part of the issue, They Truly Cannot Balance on Most Levels
Despite claiming to be hesitant about 6v6, blizz is introducing three different 6v6 variants this month and is even going to run a test the next season. This suggests a potential shift towards 6v6, likely hindered by the fear of backlash from 5v5 advocates and video game press. The 6v6 debate is ongoing, and this is just the beginning
That is true, however they already confirmed they have 0 plans of removing 5v5 or replacing it with 6v6 regardless of anything. They will consider making 6v6 an arcade mode/alternate queue, which would alienate the playerbase and destroy queue times
@@GREED_EU they have 0 plans anyway . But if we success to have 6V6 game mode they will not be able to deny the player base. And it could be way more than the 10% of open q. Forcing them to take it in consideration.
@@GREED_EU Knowing blizzard they lie constantly. I remember in early OW1 days they said "no pve ever" and then later caved and dropped multiple events that were pve based and even abandoned OW1 to 'attempt' to make pve campaign. They do this in all their games. They said "no WoW classic" and later milked it into a permanent thing. Blizzard always says no until they're desperate for content but its usually too little too late. In Heroes of the Storm they said theyd never add DeathWing as a playable character and hes in the game right now 😂 they lie constantly
It’s actually insane that an 8 year old patch is more fun than the current game. I played overwatch classic today, and felt the old magic that I use to love about this game.
@SkyClears thats the point. They made 6v6 a shit classic mode so they can say see we were right. Its a strawman argument. No one ever said launch ow1 is better than ow2. We said 5v5 is a shit format and 6v6 would be better. The 6v6 code proves this.
One reason could be that if they swap 5v5 out for 6v6, they’ve lost every justification for swapping out good loot boxes for the disgusting new monetization. Another could be pride in what they’ve made through 5v5, even if it sucks. Classic and 6v6 as a whole isn’t what most of these developers made, these are just new guys while the talent that made the game dipped, right?
Playing OWClassic has shown me that 5v5ers have 0 valid arguments for the transition. "Not enough tanks" I see rooms with 5 Reinharts constantly. "Long que times" I've never had a que take longer than a minute. "Nothing dies" Brawl tanks and tank busters like bastion and junk are thriving in 6v6 because a raid boss isn't invalidating them. If the goal of OWC was to sabotage 6v6 and show us why 5v5 needed to happen they have failed *spectacularly* just like they always do.
Moth meta wasnt mass rez. Moth meta was actually after they removed mass rez and replaced it with like 2-3 solo rezzes. Personally and it might be rose colored glasses bc i just started playing right before moth meta, but i think GOATS and double shield were worse metas. I do agree they are trying to sabotage 6v6 i just dont care bc im moving on to marvel rivals anyways.
Goats was actually a fun meta, it just got stale ridiculously fast because of how little hero diversity there was and how long it lasted for. Moth meta was easily worse because the game was actually unwinnable if you didn't have a Mercy. It was the only time in the history of the game where a character was an absolute must pick to win, meaning you could not win if the enemy team had a Mercy and your team did not.
Actually they specifically said in the future after the tests, they would look to maybe replace open queue with 6v6. They said there’s no plans to do that right now to not cause outrage by the OQ players and because the test hasn’t been done yet.
To make us close our mouth probably. "we tried, it sucks, we told you 5v5 is better", even if we already know 6v6 is so much better, I mean ow1 was a thing. 😂
@@rspy24 ye im convinced thats what theyre doing also since in the ow classic mode theyre skipping the peak which is like late 2016 to late 2017 completely and giving us goats which is almost universally despised lol
Its just annoying asf like come on you can literally just have an ow1 game mode with the last version of ow1 perma in the game, they never even have to touch it, bingo bango bongo, more people playing your game again Deadass minimal effort and tons of players in the game again, gives both sides what they want, it's stupid
idk why i didn't put both of those facts together yea wait that's so werid, tf is the point, are they just hoping everyone will be quiet about it after the tests and give up, or hoping people don't like it?
Just gonna put somthing here, besides hook 1.0 being bs, this is the best balacned hog has ever been, a midrange semi skill one shot, but no mobility, huge hitbox, no dmg mitigation, and the only way to heal was to stay still. I like hog like this, not the raidboss unkillable waking down mid machine. you take a risky flank that you have a good chance of dying on just to get a big payoff, highrisk high reward.
I was thinking exactly this last night after playing the classic mode with a friend. It hit me almost immediately, (oh man. This was the wrong version of classic overwatch). I went on to some forums to see what other people were saying about it and it was as I expected. Tons of people saying 6v6 is awful and being thankful we don't have it anymore. I couldn't help but feel blizzard was doing it on purpose. They wanted the vast majority of people to hate it
Agreed. I could say some Long winded stuff. But the game is bad and devs are worse. Many other experiences to be had out there and best to leave this nightmare behind
Agreed. I ahve said multiple times that only thing i will pay blizzard is to see ow dev playtes. I bet that they are so bad that they would even miss the floor with gravity... In ow1 though i streamer played with satan(don't make me say ice demon name) vs devs and won. 6v1... And now they are even worse. Just to get a perspective who is designing and balancing the game
@@BooleanDev no. Sk random bronze player and you will see they have more gamesense than devs. That is why they should have playterstes. but blizzard is ignorant and self righteous as allways
I have had more fun in the past day on overwatch classic than I have in the past year in ow2. Its amazing to actually feel like I have an impact on the game for once.
Seems to be the general consensus of the people playing 6v6. You get the occasional person who hates it but most people are loving it, including myself
Ngl, when I heard 6v6 classic was coming back I got excited. But when it came out, I was let down to see instalock DPS with 1 Mercy, forcing me to play tank. I don’t understand why people cry about 6v6 but instalock DPS anyway. 2v2v2 was peak Overwatch in my honest opinion.
Yeah as far as bringing back old versions of the game id much have prefered it if they brought back the version of the game when sigma came out. Imo that was peak OW. Although if someone wanted to make the case of pre baptiste i would understand that too
I was hoping to play doomfist dps, but no, sadly. They literally don't care about their community. They know they got some piggies and know they will eat the slop.
As an season 3 OW1 player who hit Top 500 almost every season and played Semi Pro, the game is just declining ever since they added 5v5. Players aren't happy because Overwatch became a money grabbing business for Blizzard, more than a competitive shooter. I sold my computer and stopped playing online for a while now, but I still look at Overwatch occasionally to see updates. What I wish Blizzard would focus on is bringing back what we liked in Overwatch 1, like loot boxes, 6v6 etc. I remember being hyped about Overwatch esports, the League and all the players. It just felt new and exciting to me. Now all I hear is complaining and a lot of cheaters at high elo (I had less than 5 from 2017-2021 when I played actively). It just goes to show that if a game company doesnt give a fuck about the players that the game will inevitably go to shit.
Tbh. Blizzard is just fucking dumb and most of the people defending them are too. The cheater issue is very noticable because 1. its f2p and 2. they can literally play hundreds of games, fully ragehacking to literally rank 1 until they get banned. That is mostly because blizzard thinks a single person reporting someone in a game should have the same weight as 9 people reporting him. People were crying about getting false banned because 4 stacks would false report them when they wouldnt play what they wanted, but making it so it doesnt matter whether 1 person reports or multiple just means either that 1 report is weighted very highly, meaning more false bans or its weighted very lowly, meaning people that deserve bans can keep going for hundreds of games. You cant ban cheaters quickly and have low false bans without human intervention - and giving 1 person the same power as 9 or 9 the same power as 1 just leads to a worse experience for everyone, no matter how you weight it. And ive yet to see anyone bring any logic into this, I easily tried to argue with 40+ people and all they could say was "its like this and its good because blizzard says so" Like is me asking of people to give a single benefit of 1 report = 9 too much to ask for other than "blizzard said its better"
Idk man. It feels like overwatch classic was done in spite. They dont really want to please the fans and are seemingly insulted that fans feel like they have a better understanding of what the game needs than they do.
One point about not moving to 6v6 they said was to not split the player base. My assumption is that they will probably make this an unranked mode. 6v6 2-2-2 will more than likely only ever be an event/unranked mode. They will never replace 5v5.
Once classic goes away im uninstalling. Tone deaf devs and absolutely abysmal matchmaking have killed the very little joy out of the game for me. Playing the game feels like being the victim of a hate crime. This started back in OW1 when they stopped all content to work on ow2 pve and then gave us the middle fucking finger and then had the audacity to add 60 skin bundles. Fuck blizzard. Oh and the rank crunch where im a casual gold player in QUICKPLAY playing against a server admin masters cass or ashe. Because of widematch making horseshit? Im pissed.
Do you know that the devs from overwatch 1 isn't the same as the overwatch 2 devs? They've been doing gods work and I love them. Such a great dev team that constantly balance the game. Now, onto the sabotage. They won't. There are 4 Gamemodes all working to test the viability of 6v6. Know, you might say limit 2 and kingmaker aren't tests but I'd argue they are. The dev team can directly see how many people are picking double tank over the other roles. Watching spilo's video rn, and excitedly we ate getting the classic 2-2-2 first. Meaning they are putting their best foot forwards. Funny how they are sabotaging the 6v6 with this. Aaron saying they won't take 5v5 out is pr talk, I believe. If 6v6 is better and more popular than they definitely can't keep 5v5. They don't have the man power. One format will win out. Btw, classic mode is just a fun event that will only be 1.0. No Goats, no moth meta. They aren't cherry picking. I honestly don't see the sabotage
dude this dev team do not understand their game, have you not seen every OW2 patch be mostly utter garbage, I will admit they are infinitely more competant than og team 4 but still they just make the worst patches in gaming history. Also your argument that the classic mode feels clunky makes no sense, of course its gonna be clunky it's patch 1.0 and it feels like it was back then.
You’re completely correct. The devs have this bizarre obsession with ruining their game. Case in point, they just gave Kiriko 3 buffs and buffed Tracer and Mauga. But at the same, they nerfed Junkrat. Widowmaker and Ashe? No nerfs still. 😂
They should keep Classic Overwatch as a game-mode in Unranked after the event. It’s literally the only game mode that I’ve played on OW2 recently, except for Vs. A.I.
I have no idea what the fuck blizzard is doing. They clearly wanted a cash grab, but proceed to make the worst possible decisions for the game's health
To give them some credit. They listen to the feed back of us saying to do the 2/2/2 test first and they plan to now. First time in a while they actually listened, hopefully they add a permanent 6v6 mode or if not I’ll just go to rivals
I'm just going to say it. Most people did not like the original dive comp meta when it happened It was only high rank players who enjoyed it. But probably the most enjoyable patch I away here about is when ana got released for the widespread player base.
Tbh. during dive I think i was around diamond-masters and I enjoyed it, not because I was good at doing the "dive", but because I could play pretty much whatever I want, knowing that whatever "dive" anyones gonna try doing is most likely gonna fail miserably because of lack of communication and/or timing. In comparison in most ow2 metas even a low ranked solo player playing the op character is a threat and kinda makes the game revolve around him.
That's not the take I heard at all. From what I gathered they said that they didn't want to displease people playing 5v5. Preferably they'd have both 5v5 and 6v6. Even if 6v6 is better there are people who prefer 5v5 for some reason. They also said if 6v6 stayed they'd have to find a way to make a ranked mode for it. Balancing both would be an issue and cost dev time. They don't seem opposed to it from what I heard despite the dev cost.
Moth meta also had lingering effects after it wasn't a thing anymore. You'd have boosted mercy mains in high elo that couldn't play anything else and just one tricked, ruining several games over the course of months.
6v6 classic is what open queue should be: a place for players to chill and have fun, plat tanks ruin open queue sweating balls for a meaningless t500 rank.
The first game I tried back of 1.0, we had 4 Hanzos and a Zen. I asked my team if they were serious and they said yes. The queue time problem has always been a dps problem, I'll die on that hill
I never understood why so many people hated Mercy till now. I realize now that it's DEFINITELY carryover from mass rez. As an OW 2 only I cannot imagine attempting to try and get better on your character just for someone to optimize hiding in a corner and pressing Q while also getting more value than you'll ever get. I can imagine that if you didn't have a Mercy you probably just lost due to how strong the ult is. Somehow though even with the insane balancing, I found the classic mode more enjoyable than the live game.
Truth season 9 gutted the game, but it started at like season 5, the shit storm of bad changes, and this all came off the back off 3 broken seasons of sojourn.
I realize how Launch OW was better. The flow, it is somewhat slow(in terms of damage) but it is also fast with Quick ultimates. Even if it isn't slow objectively, it still feels better with what mess modern OW is.
I didn't realise how good 1.0 OW1 was in some regards, like for example there's no immorts, no low skill bs get away abilities, enemies are actually killable when they make mistakes, the game is slower paced and healing isn't mega inflated so enemies are actually "1 hp" as opposed to retail where you wait 0.5seconds and the "1 hp" call-out has been healed to half or full. The game is hugely imbalanced, but by god is it fun and full of tomfoolery. I have had games with all of us running as winton, mercy, zarya, rein castle and torb. I have fought against teams going all genji, widow and bastion. It's not even nostalgia, I am having more fun in classic than I have had in 2 years playing OW2. It's depressing.
I don't get the argument because they said multiple times that Classic and the 6v6 playtests are NOT the same thing, yes if they had a moth meta patch it would be a huge screwup but I don't see how that will affect the later 6v6 event which is separate from this
Lol I was wrong on your last video. They aren't releasing their greatest hits, they're releasing their worst hits. Intentionally putting goats into the rotation is so fucking devious its an obvious assassination attempt on the 6v6 discourse. These devs are despicable 🤣
And it's not the 6v6 test it's just a look back at what ow use to be y'all are acting like they are doing this on purpose it's just a fun game mode which they are literally using as a test to make sure the 6v6 test aren't buggy with their engine
The joke is on Blizz because even when they pick the worst patches from OW1 it’s still more fun than what we have now with 5v5. I agree they set out to try to undermine the idea OW1 was better by bringing back the worst moments but it won’t work. Instead, it shows that even five Wintons and a Lucio can be more fun than 5v5; many people would rather play against Torbs’ super-turret and Widow body-shot-ing Tracer than lonely giga-tanks. It’s pretty accurate to say they’ve been sabotaging the game for eight years now - but they never wanted “the game” … it’s so obvious that what they released at launch was just a demo that Jeff thought would allow him to finish Titan as the PvE game he’d imagined. Not even the Blizzard devs could imagine that Sym was fit to play on release; Torbs was probably closest to their actual vision for the future of the game, and it probably came as a shock to them that wasn’t how the players saw it.
Is nobody pointing out purposely dropping these 6v6 modes when the other 6v6 games drop? Prolly gonna see the player count drop, say 'told ya so' and keep it pushing so they dont have to say sorry.
"why they aren't revert back to 6v6? a format that's successful and popular demand" I think Overwatch Devs just doesn't like being proving wrong, that's why they tiptoeing around the subject instead of changing it back. But again, when Marvel Rivals launch things might change for the better or i don't know
Reminds me of that time the Devs were so stubborn about Brig that they refused to fix her for literally 4 years just cause they couldn't admit she was broken.
Glad i moved on lol shame they like to run a train on their own franchise. Been playing it since 2016 and i am just done with it, it's not fun anymore, anyone who continues to play does so because there's no other game like overwatch or they got so hooked on it they just can't see themselves trying something els.
Lol. I mean you're not wrong there's nothing like it. I will play rivals but I don't think it will replace ow. I also got back into cs because how shit ow is right now
i really dont understand what theyre doing, because they know marvel rivals is coming, but they say shit like that they wont replace the 5v5 format, and its pretty obvious they have no idea what this game is about because with all the metas that were born during the span of ow they chose moth meta.
Issue is they have never felt the need to try. Now that marvel rivals is around the corner, we are being drip fed with a 6v6 test. It shouldn't have taken 2 years though, and this is far too little, far too late. I will not settle for JUST 6v6. I'm gonna need a season 9 revert on top of that. I'm gonna need 29 damage genji shurikens back. I'm gonna need balancing that allows for the fan favorited heroes to be played. I'm gonna need MAAAAAAAAASSIVE support nerfs. And I'm gonna need so so so much more. All of that is the bare minimum after 8 FUCKING YEARS
i call it RPG elements, when you yourself pick what you want and do what you want - not going by someone else's "plan", plan works only if DEV's not stupid... not all games can achive hiring smart devs with DEI in place working against it.
The dev blog talked about how we are going to get all these meta's but then in the interview, Aaron said that people misunderstood and we have this 1.0 patch for 3 weeks, so we have 1.0 now, then in the next events we have all the worst meta's ever, I've been saying they would self sabotage and it looks like once again I was right. Why not give us the good times and not the worst unless they had planned to self sabotage? And the current engine still is so bad and still makes me feel sick to play, any other game or even ow1 didn't make me feel sick to play. They also said some very interesting contradictive things aswell.... I hit uninstall right after I played and watched the start of the interview, I never thought I would be so done with all the BS from them.
If you had a game where you had to aim a slow projectile at a fast moving target how would you predict/aim and are there any specific ways to improve at this
Moth Meta: Everything is playable as long as you have Mercy, based on the Balancing ideas of the devs that would have been the PERFECT meta.... funnyly enough.. people warned them that Moth Mercy was gonna be to strong when she was on the PTR... but Mass Rez had to go, no matter what... Moth Meta was on noone but the "Mass Rez Bad, fix NOW!" folk.
Haven't played for a week, trying to quit like hard drugs, jump back on, reminded why this is a time waster. "Activision barbie simulator". It's funny how within a weeks' time the entire feel and flow of the game can change, with how these games are playing right now I expect to be in a full Teletubby costume next time I log on.
Serious question, (only watched the first 2 minutes admittedly): what if Blizzard invites you, Samito, and other pro 6v6 content creators to balance the game, and the tank population in 2 2 2 role queue is still not sufficient after let's say 6 months and queue times become even worse? Would you be willing to go back to 5v5 or would you still stay 6v6?
I can guarantee that if you put: Me, Spilo, Samito, and Realth into a room, we could have the game balanced in a week. 6v6 is better, regardless of balance.
None of the people that made OW1 are even there. These guys just inherited something fun and were told to add a battlepass to it. Balancing and upkeeping the game is just an unfortunate side job they're now forced to do. That's why they turn their brain off and buff based off winrates, hence the "+5" here and "-5" there dink and dunk "balance" changes and "reworks" that aren't reworks at all, just slight tweaks.
I never liked how Blizzard treats looking back at goats as if its just a little haha hehe funny joke like lets give Brig a skin to remind everyone of the patch and character that killed their game and their esports scene, and now bringing it back as if its something to be nostalgic about. Still makes me irrationally annoyed and spiteful how Brigitte is the domino that lead us to role queue, 5v5, and support powercreep.
I thought the moth meta was when mercy’s ult was changed and she could get 4 resurrections with her ultimate. Mass rez was annoying but that where the “kill and hunt mercy down first” troup came from.
What you guys in OW are witnessing, is a very similar story to how world of warcraft went in the shitter from Battle for azeroth to shadowlands. They have a vision, the community says there's problems. They proceed to ignore community feedback until its too late. Then fix everything, almost mirroing exactly what the community was asking for (im talking about the arguments from people with a real understanding of the game). Par for the course blizzard. This will never change unless they fundamentally do.
I played the game starting at the beta and stopped at the second season of OverWatch 2. The launch game of the original OverWatch is better than anything I played with OverWatch 2 lol
Uninstalled months ago. I wont be xoming back for ow classic. No one asked for this. We asked for 6v6. Im not coming back for a side mode witha shit format. I could alrewdy play the private 6v6 code which is a better meta. Blizzard will never give us what we want. They have a daddy knows best mentality and were their abused children
After playing classic a lot. I've learned that the most hated characters back in the day weren't that bad. Roadhog can be countered with ease, only scrubs with bad positioning complained about it. You can easily counter mei by just outranging her, similar story with torb and bastion. The only character who remains as cancerous as always is widow.
I just don’t understand who tf at blizzard is dead ass fighting for open queue to still be a thing instead of just 6v6 after playing classic for a while I’ve found while I like the two tanks much better and it’s just more varied in team comps the game is so slow in comparison and clunky the fun factor of not having to deal with sombra doom fist and orisa kinda gets outweighed by the sheer jank clunkiness of stationary bastion, full turret torb, and other dozens of small changes and big ones. I completely understand why most people prefer the classic version but as a veteran player who’s seen everything 6v6 with current overwatch could be the most fun it can be. Open queue is a joke of a mode I’m convinced that some of the devs exclusively play because you can be plat in all your other roles but somehow get t500 in open queue somehow it’s the least fun mode and it’s arguably the least balanced outside of total mayhem yet it’s the secondary competitive mode…open queue is garbage just replace it with 6v6 without role lock it’s literally the same thing to us if not better.
i don't really play ow anymore but i had a feeling they was gonna to ruin 6v6 by not during a off/def tank role to prevent goats, so am not surprise if this is true.
0:45 You feel that way because it's arcade, so balance is bad. Also IDK what you think but the devs who make OW aren't the devs this days, most of the OG devs has left Blizzard. You should be mean to the devs, they're making 15K$ a month, yet they don't do great job. I always say 5v5 or 6v6 was never the issue they can do unfun 6v6 and fun 5v5 if they wanted to.
Thing is they are so out of touch and have no clue how th3e game is played that they would fail to balance a solitare. And they wont switch anything. This is modern blizzard. Ignorance, stubbornness and incompetence at its finest. ANd they have no incentive to change since so many toxic positive npcs will always praise them for every mistake.
When supports arent full of buttons that play the game for you and tanks that dont have tons of passives that make them harder to kill, things die.
Yep, despite other things feeling old and clunky.
The fact the tanks now die and feel fun to fight as they dont have 2 braindead im now invincible buttons being healed by supports with tank health with their own now your invincible buttons and you can be healed 600hp in 0.5s makes the game feel so much better.
I was a tank main and enjoyed being weaker and having to use my brain to position and negate my heros weakenesses rather than the im a raidboss braindead dps masquerading as a tank we have now.
I just want 6v6, reduced burst heal (ana is my 2nd most played hero so this is actually to my detriment) and less stupidly braindead overpowerer abilities such as suzu, lamp, moira in general, res etc…
@@ollydavis2495
True, but the feeling of holding a lobby captive because the enemy team is terrible with their Tanks. It's like they still think counter swapping is a good idea.
Mercy doesnt have super jump at all. Also lucios wall run doesnt seem to work all the time. Otherwise the other supports are fine
This is why I'm only playing classic as long as I can even as a ranked only player for 8 years. I can't stand the fucking passives and support sustain and powercreep. It feels so bad.
classic is the first time i am playing 6v6 , i have 400 hours in the game. unfortunately started playing in season 9, i absolutely agree with all 3 comments above me, it feel so good to play classic , like enemies actually die when you shoot them, after experiencing this, i am now finally enjoying the game and not just being frustrated entire game at nothing dying.
i am patiently waiting for more games like marvel rival cause i have very little hope overwatch will revert season 9 hp buff and hitbox increase and obviously sustain creep, even in 6v6(i really hope they revert it) game need to stop bailing bad players of their mistakes.
if i didn't enjoy tracer as much i do, i would completely leave this game for other. i just need some game to copy tracer blink almost exactly.
How come they decide to leave open queue a permanent game mode for the 10% but forever remove 6v6 despite waaay more than 10% of players wanting to play it 🧐
seems hypocritical
Personal bias
i feel as if kellar came up with the "revolutionary" idea to make the game 5v5 and is to spiteful/proud to give it up now even tho it sucks ass
nothing new with blizzard tbh, we’ve been through this with “classic wow is never coming back”
@joshuacollins9316
Doing that couldn't fix the game. So they suck at their job of figuring out problems.
@@joshuacollins9316
Edit: no way bro deleted the comment L
I played the game when you were lucky if you got a game in 20min in t500 and I would rather have that than how the game is now. Besides, queue times were inflated because players left after like 2 years of 0 content, it wouldn’t be an issue if they didn’t let it become one. Completely invalid. I know exactly why they switched and and it’s because they are incapable of identifying the game’s most glaring issues and therefore arrive to incorrect solutions.
I'm just about to quit this game entirely. Matchmaking is so shitty, even in classic. I have no friends who play and nobody wants to add me.
i mnade a new account, fiarst match on the account was in classic. i got 3 GM opponents, and bronze-gold teammates
@@mercilesschara5753
That is peak overwatch balance for you 😂
There's a weird thing where even if you just played the best game of your lives. For some reason queuing with Randoms never works
I finally did the other day and I feel great
@TheMandellaEffectbruh
There's always someone to ruin the fun with all randoms.
They already went through too much controversy when they shit canned PvE, if they fully reverted back to 6v6 it would make them look even worse. Basically solidifying that there was absolutely no reason for Overwatch getting a sequel, except for the over priced skin shop. They just keep digging their hole deeper and deeper, for some reason they see listening to their player base as weak or something. The point of making a game is to make it fun so more people want to play it, but they keep letting their pride, ego, and greed get in the way for player number progress.
No lies
Fact Check: ✅
they don't want to bring back lootboxes even as a level-up reward (it is not against the law as long as you can't actively purchase it), they just want things in game to take longer to grind for more playtime from players... and shop fomo
PvE was what I wanted the most from Overwatch 2. Mostly because of the lore and I don't like competitive sweats but they gutted it because PvP whales spend more
couldn’t say it any better tbh
People need to stop treating the developers like they’re their friends. When bad games come out,like Concord, no one gives a crap about those developers but since everyone is soo addicted to overwatch, they make excuses for terrible decisions they make. Like why is Orisa and Maura still the most broken tanks and why did Mauga get another buff.
funny enough concorde gameplay was really good.
@@alternatecheems8145 eh, maybe not really good but certainly decent enough to exist in the market. Its just a 40$ price tag doesnt catch a lot of people when everyones playing F2P. Also I feel like some of the character designs were just kinda meh.
@@TheDarknessOW Ignoring the price tag etc, it's gameplay was actually reminiscent of og halo and tf2 somehow
Its even more funny when you remember these devs make life altering money plus benefits to not understand what players want to this day
And Freedo said we were flat earthers...
Check freedos most recent video. He's actually dying on the hill solely based on ow classic. Used to be a fan but man he's a clown
This should really be a lesson on why to never use ad hominem attacks an logical fallacies against people who have differing opinions and also prolly a lesson on never say never. lol
@@b23beatz Denial is a hell of a drug
Yeah well flat earth is the truth.
@@b23beatz he proved he was a clown back when he said sombra was a support lol
ive already seen multiple people on twitter and on tiktok saying "yeah i like ow2 better if ow1 was like this" so you may be onto something about your point of blizzard sabotaging 6v6
oh That is Absolutely the intention, Most of the Players Now r Gold Supports Who Are Constantly Catered to and Eat Whatever's in Front of Them bc They Get to Plat on Moira Kiri LW and Feel Good and Accomplished, They Will Defend and Die on the Hill With Blizzard Every Time, They Test Out an Extremely Unpolished Uncompetitive Mode Where Support Doesnt Play itself and the Entire Argument of 6v6 Which They All Massively Misconstrue and Dont Understand Has Much Less Credit , and They Will Continue Along the Same Path of Terrible Balance and Automated Gameplay With Less Competitive integrity Every Single Patch , the Morons That Ruined This Game Can Say im Wrong But the Last Patch Notes and intentionally Bad Quickplay Hacked Modes Make it Extremely Obvious to me What Theyre Planning , as Has Always Been the Case
god forbid you get punished for making a mistake 💀
Obviously something like this would’ve popped, irl bots (majority of pipl) are the target for sneaky decisions like this patch choice for the event.
I think I'm done with this game now. There's just no hope for it. It's simply a skin shop from now on with balance that is based around skin sales...
I'll play OG here and there for the next few weeks and I'll come back for the 6v6 play test for as long as it's in the game and being ACTIVELY UPDATED but I'm done with this 5v5 nonsense and the terrible balance patches that make zero attempt to address broken characters, continuously buff already strong characters with an obvious bias to babying Support and ESPECIALLY Kiriko, and nerf characters unjustly because they have good win rate but aren't necessarily OP.
I'm fed up with it. 8 fucking years of bullshit patch after patch. Nothing has changed since the switch to Overwatch 2, in fact I'd argue it has gotten considerably worse for many reasons but *especially* due to their outright refusal to acknowledge how bad 5v5 is and constant insistence that it must stay. From the very beginning the pros told them during the beta that 5v5 was not the way to go but they didn't give two fucking shits and did their own thing. *Seriously, fuck Team 4.* They have ruined a game that could've been amazing. Whether it be the gameplay or the cinematics and story they have squandered its potential at every opportunity.
Not a Lie Told
Playing classic last night was the first time in years where I smiled for the duration of every match I played. I forgot how fun the game used to be across all roles and heroes.
I like you. Straight to the point, no BS. No snowflaking, and not afraid to admit this game is going to shit. Subbed.
I have never ever heard anybody say "no snowflaking" in all my years on this planet
What does that even mean? Is it an alternative way of saying no sugar coating?
@@jfp4life
Literally, yes... No sugar coating/acting like someone is a fragile snowflake that'll break easily.
@@jfp4lifehe means not being overly defensive and offended by simple things. Greed isn't a pushover.
@@jfp4life Snowflakes are those who melt under the slightest bit of heat. In the case of OW, those who can't handle the truth.
season 9 was fun at first but they've slowly buffed sustain to the point dps passive doesn't matter. the only lasting impact of season 9 is the removal of most heroes' breakpoints.
the whole hp buff is a dumb idea
@@AegisEdge HP buff was a fine idea. Increasing hitboxes was not.
season 9 wasnt fun at all imo the hp and hitbox changes are the worst things they ever did
@@DjNasteno the HP Buffs and Constant Buffs to Supports and Sustainability is Absolutely a Massive Part of the issue, They Truly Cannot Balance on Most Levels
Despite claiming to be hesitant about 6v6, blizz is introducing three different 6v6 variants this month and is even going to run a test the next season. This suggests a potential shift towards 6v6, likely hindered by the fear of backlash from 5v5 advocates and video game press. The 6v6 debate is ongoing, and this is just the beginning
That is true, however they already confirmed they have 0 plans of removing 5v5 or replacing it with 6v6 regardless of anything. They will consider making 6v6 an arcade mode/alternate queue, which would alienate the playerbase and destroy queue times
@@GREED_EU 5v5 sucks cock
@@GREED_EUat present that seems like the most prudent thing to do honestly.
@@GREED_EU they have 0 plans anyway . But if we success to have 6V6 game mode they will not be able to deny the player base. And it could be way more than the 10% of open q. Forcing them to take it in consideration.
@@GREED_EU Knowing blizzard they lie constantly. I remember in early OW1 days they said "no pve ever" and then later caved and dropped multiple events that were pve based and even abandoned OW1 to 'attempt' to make pve campaign. They do this in all their games. They said "no WoW classic" and later milked it into a permanent thing. Blizzard always says no until they're desperate for content but its usually too little too late. In Heroes of the Storm they said theyd never add DeathWing as a playable character and hes in the game right now 😂 they lie constantly
It’s actually insane that an 8 year old patch is more fun than the current game. I played overwatch classic today, and felt the old magic that I use to love about this game.
7:15 I know why they did it. So they can say, "See?! OW2 IS better! We told you."
Blizzard serving L's left and right.
OW2 is better
@SkyClears thats the point. They made 6v6 a shit classic mode so they can say see we were right. Its a strawman argument. No one ever said launch ow1 is better than ow2. We said 5v5 is a shit format and 6v6 would be better. The 6v6 code proves this.
unironically classic watch is better than ow2
funny you say this, because they literally touched on this in the Spilo interview and the dev blog
One reason could be that if they swap 5v5 out for 6v6, they’ve lost every justification for swapping out good loot boxes for the disgusting new monetization. Another could be pride in what they’ve made through 5v5, even if it sucks. Classic and 6v6 as a whole isn’t what most of these developers made, these are just new guys while the talent that made the game dipped, right?
Playing OWClassic has shown me that 5v5ers have 0 valid arguments for the transition.
"Not enough tanks" I see rooms with 5 Reinharts constantly.
"Long que times" I've never had a que take longer than a minute.
"Nothing dies" Brawl tanks and tank busters like bastion and junk are thriving in 6v6 because a raid boss isn't invalidating them.
If the goal of OWC was to sabotage 6v6 and show us why 5v5 needed to happen they have failed *spectacularly* just like they always do.
Moth meta wasnt mass rez. Moth meta was actually after they removed mass rez and replaced it with like 2-3 solo rezzes.
Personally and it might be rose colored glasses bc i just started playing right before moth meta, but i think GOATS and double shield were worse metas.
I do agree they are trying to sabotage 6v6 i just dont care bc im moving on to marvel rivals anyways.
Goats was actually a fun meta, it just got stale ridiculously fast because of how little hero diversity there was and how long it lasted for. Moth meta was easily worse because the game was actually unwinnable if you didn't have a Mercy. It was the only time in the history of the game where a character was an absolute must pick to win, meaning you could not win if the enemy team had a Mercy and your team did not.
I always get moth meta mixed up since they are so similar and they had very similar effects. One was just a little more aids
Arguably 2-3 solo rezzes with the mercy beeing active in combat is more powerful than one mass rez of a hiding mercy in most situations imo.
Actually they specifically said in the future after the tests, they would look to maybe replace open queue with 6v6. They said there’s no plans to do that right now to not cause outrage by the OQ players and because the test hasn’t been done yet.
whats the point of bringing back 6v6 as a test if theyre completely convinced they arent bringing it back lol
To make us close our mouth probably. "we tried, it sucks, we told you 5v5 is better", even if we already know 6v6 is so much better, I mean ow1 was a thing. 😂
@@rspy24 ye im convinced thats what theyre doing also since in the ow classic mode theyre skipping the peak which is like late 2016 to late 2017 completely and giving us goats which is almost universally despised lol
Its just annoying asf like come on you can literally just have an ow1 game mode with the last version of ow1 perma in the game, they never even have to touch it, bingo bango bongo, more people playing your game again
Deadass minimal effort and tons of players in the game again, gives both sides what they want, it's stupid
idk why i didn't put both of those facts together yea wait that's so werid, tf is the point, are they just hoping everyone will be quiet about it after the tests and give up, or hoping people don't like it?
Just gonna put somthing here, besides hook 1.0 being bs, this is the best balacned hog has ever been, a midrange semi skill one shot, but no mobility, huge hitbox, no dmg mitigation, and the only way to heal was to stay still. I like hog like this, not the raidboss unkillable waking down mid machine. you take a risky flank that you have a good chance of dying on just to get a big payoff, highrisk high reward.
I used to love that hog as a Hanzo in the 4 seasons i played lol. Yeah stay there big boy for scatter arrow or ult
tbf without ana in the game he needs to be in this state.
I was thinking exactly this last night after playing the classic mode with a friend. It hit me almost immediately, (oh man. This was the wrong version of classic overwatch). I went on to some forums to see what other people were saying about it and it was as I expected. Tons of people saying 6v6 is awful and being thankful we don't have it anymore. I couldn't help but feel blizzard was doing it on purpose. They wanted the vast majority of people to hate it
The fact that they gave us the worst of 6v6 first, will make way less people play in the future. I may have to delete it AGAIN... 😞
Yeah it makes sense. But i only reinstalled the game to play this, when they remove it ill delete it again
@Llama_charmer
They're adding a better 6v6 after it though... 🤔
They added the no limits patch to sway perception. Blizzard think some of us don't see through their schemes
@@spence6195 they didn't add the no limits patch. If you played OW 1 on release, you'd know the whole game was no limits
Agreed. I could say some
Long winded stuff. But the game is bad and devs are worse. Many other experiences to be had out there and best to leave this nightmare behind
I 100% feel like the devs are Bronze or do not play the game. And I will die on that hill.
Agreed. I ahve said multiple times that only thing i will pay blizzard is to see ow dev playtes. I bet that they are so bad that they would even miss the floor with gravity...
In ow1 though i streamer played with satan(don't make me say ice demon name) vs devs and won. 6v1... And now they are even worse. Just to get a perspective who is designing and balancing the game
more likely plat or gold, most devs dont have much time outside of work for gaming
@@BooleanDev no. Sk random bronze player and you will see they have more gamesense than devs.
That is why they should have playterstes. but blizzard is ignorant and self righteous as allways
Good thing there’s deadlock and marvel rivals. Hopefully they get their shit together or they’ll lose their core player base to those two
They're already showing us that they're unwilling to listen and change. The best thing to do is to leave
6v6 is a hype generator to sell the upcoming 75 new Kiriko skins to unsuspecting newcomers who just got internet in Africa
I have had more fun in the past day on overwatch classic than I have in the past year in ow2. Its amazing to actually feel like I have an impact on the game for once.
Seems to be the general consensus of the people playing 6v6. You get the occasional person who hates it but most people are loving it, including myself
Ngl, when I heard 6v6 classic was coming back I got excited. But when it came out, I was let down to see instalock DPS with 1 Mercy, forcing me to play tank. I don’t understand why people cry about 6v6 but instalock DPS anyway.
2v2v2 was peak Overwatch in my honest opinion.
Yeah as far as bringing back old versions of the game id much have prefered it if they brought back the version of the game when sigma came out. Imo that was peak OW. Although if someone wanted to make the case of pre baptiste i would understand that too
Damn it sucks when people have freedom and you were "forced" to play tank. 🤡
you could honestly win with 5 dps, it's a teamwork/skill issue i'm afraid
Role Queue was a necessity. 5v5 wasn't and completely broke the game
I was hoping to play doomfist dps, but no, sadly. They literally don't care about their community. They know they got some piggies and know they will eat the slop.
Yep same, one of the only reasons I wanted 6v6 back. They massacred my boy.
why would they not use the first ever version of the game lmfao
Bro it's a classic game mode aka day 1 they are just doing something fun and people are literally acting like they are doing everything to spite them
As an season 3 OW1 player who hit Top 500 almost every season and played Semi Pro, the game is just declining ever since they added 5v5. Players aren't happy because Overwatch became a money grabbing business for Blizzard, more than a competitive shooter. I sold my computer and stopped playing online for a while now, but I still look at Overwatch occasionally to see updates. What I wish Blizzard would focus on is bringing back what we liked in Overwatch 1, like loot boxes, 6v6 etc.
I remember being hyped about Overwatch esports, the League and all the players. It just felt new and exciting to me. Now all I hear is complaining and a lot of cheaters at high elo (I had less than 5 from 2017-2021 when I played actively).
It just goes to show that if a game company doesnt give a fuck about the players that the game will inevitably go to shit.
Tbh. Blizzard is just fucking dumb and most of the people defending them are too. The cheater issue is very noticable because 1. its f2p and 2. they can literally play hundreds of games, fully ragehacking to literally rank 1 until they get banned. That is mostly because blizzard thinks a single person reporting someone in a game should have the same weight as 9 people reporting him.
People were crying about getting false banned because 4 stacks would false report them when they wouldnt play what they wanted, but making it so it doesnt matter whether 1 person reports or multiple just means either that 1 report is weighted very highly, meaning more false bans or its weighted very lowly, meaning people that deserve bans can keep going for hundreds of games. You cant ban cheaters quickly and have low false bans without human intervention - and giving 1 person the same power as 9 or 9 the same power as 1 just leads to a worse experience for everyone, no matter how you weight it. And ive yet to see anyone bring any logic into this, I easily tried to argue with 40+ people and all they could say was "its like this and its good because blizzard says so" Like is me asking of people to give a single benefit of 1 report = 9 too much to ask for other than "blizzard said its better"
Idk man. It feels like overwatch classic was done in spite. They dont really want to please the fans and are seemingly insulted that fans feel like they have a better understanding of what the game needs than they do.
One point about not moving to 6v6 they said was to not split the player base. My assumption is that they will probably make this an unranked mode. 6v6 2-2-2 will more than likely only ever be an event/unranked mode. They will never replace 5v5.
Once classic goes away im uninstalling. Tone deaf devs and absolutely abysmal matchmaking have killed the very little joy out of the game for me. Playing the game feels like being the victim of a hate crime. This started back in OW1 when they stopped all content to work on ow2 pve and then gave us the middle fucking finger and then had the audacity to add 60 skin bundles. Fuck blizzard.
Oh and the rank crunch where im a casual gold player in QUICKPLAY playing against a server admin masters cass or ashe. Because of widematch making horseshit? Im pissed.
I reinstalled the game to try this 6v6, if/when they remove it ill just uninstall the game again
I am absolutely feasting on people with Tracer, it's great to have 1.0 back.
Do you know that the devs from overwatch 1 isn't the same as the overwatch 2 devs? They've been doing gods work and I love them. Such a great dev team that constantly balance the game.
Now, onto the sabotage. They won't. There are 4 Gamemodes all working to test the viability of 6v6. Know, you might say limit 2 and kingmaker aren't tests but I'd argue they are. The dev team can directly see how many people are picking double tank over the other roles. Watching spilo's video rn, and excitedly we ate getting the classic 2-2-2 first. Meaning they are putting their best foot forwards. Funny how they are sabotaging the 6v6 with this.
Aaron saying they won't take 5v5 out is pr talk, I believe. If 6v6 is better and more popular than they definitely can't keep 5v5. They don't have the man power. One format will win out.
Btw, classic mode is just a fun event that will only be 1.0. No Goats, no moth meta. They aren't cherry picking. I honestly don't see the sabotage
dude this dev team do not understand their game, have you not seen every OW2 patch be mostly utter garbage, I will admit they are infinitely more competant than og team 4 but still they just make the worst patches in gaming history. Also your argument that the classic mode feels clunky makes no sense, of course its gonna be clunky it's patch 1.0 and it feels like it was back then.
@AegisEdge I 100% disagree with you. The patches have been fun and enjoyable. Cool, that's the point. I still don't like it
You are deluded. Zero critical thinking ability.
@rizaadon same to you 👍
Finally someone who just isn't I hate the dev team they hate 6v6 I want my game to literally have 0 fucking flaw's
They probably gave the 1.0 patch just to try to change people’s opinions on bringing back 6v6. To confuse people that is.
You’re completely correct. The devs have this bizarre obsession with ruining their game. Case in point, they just gave Kiriko 3 buffs and buffed Tracer and Mauga. But at the same, they nerfed Junkrat. Widowmaker and Ashe? No nerfs still. 😂
i saw the same thing with the guy "in charge" speaking to spilo, they couldn't care less about non-paid features in the game
1:09 5v5 is not being replaced by 6v6 because OW2 players prefer it. Such a massive change would be massively disliked by the silent majority
The amount of people that think classic is the 6v6 test is insane.. they need to add a huge red banner that says NOT 6V6 TEST when u launch classic
They should keep Classic Overwatch as a game-mode in Unranked after the event. It’s literally the only game mode that I’ve played on OW2 recently, except for Vs. A.I.
i think they are? correct me if im wrong
@@karyk-f8f They aren't.
Vs ai players scare me
Vs ai players scare me
This pfp is insane
I have no idea what the fuck blizzard is doing. They clearly wanted a cash grab, but proceed to make the worst possible decisions for the game's health
The last sentence: "I love this game, but the devs are awful." Couldn't agree more.
im loving 1.0 its casual and less toxic, better than the power creep current competitive patches, just play your favourite hero and have fun
To give them some credit. They listen to the feed back of us saying to do the 2/2/2 test first and they plan to now. First time in a while they actually listened, hopefully they add a permanent 6v6 mode or if not I’ll just go to rivals
I'm just going to say it. Most people did not like the original dive comp meta when it happened It was only high rank players who enjoyed it. But probably the most enjoyable patch I away here about is when ana got released for the widespread player base.
Tbh. during dive I think i was around diamond-masters and I enjoyed it, not because I was good at doing the "dive", but because I could play pretty much whatever I want, knowing that whatever "dive" anyones gonna try doing is most likely gonna fail miserably because of lack of communication and/or timing. In comparison in most ow2 metas even a low ranked solo player playing the op character is a threat and kinda makes the game revolve around him.
They are conditioning us to try to think the new mode is better by cherry picking the garbage. It's lazy and disrespectful.
That's not the take I heard at all. From what I gathered they said that they didn't want to displease people playing 5v5. Preferably they'd have both 5v5 and 6v6. Even if 6v6 is better there are people who prefer 5v5 for some reason. They also said if 6v6 stayed they'd have to find a way to make a ranked mode for it. Balancing both would be an issue and cost dev time. They don't seem opposed to it from what I heard despite the dev cost.
Classic mode is the most fun I've had on this game since OW1 shut down.
Moth meta also had lingering effects after it wasn't a thing anymore. You'd have boosted mercy mains in high elo that couldn't play anything else and just one tricked, ruining several games over the course of months.
i think even if goats was fun, it is a sign of bad game design to have half the characters be obsolete because they're just worse
6v6 classic is what open queue should be: a place for players to chill and have fun, plat tanks ruin open queue sweating balls for a meaningless t500 rank.
The first game I tried back of 1.0, we had 4 Hanzos and a Zen. I asked my team if they were serious and they said yes. The queue time problem has always been a dps problem, I'll die on that hill
its more that there is no fun support in the mode rn so wait a week and it will be probably better
I never understood why so many people hated Mercy till now. I realize now that it's DEFINITELY carryover from mass rez. As an OW 2 only I cannot imagine attempting to try and get better on your character just for someone to optimize hiding in a corner and pressing Q while also getting more value than you'll ever get. I can imagine that if you didn't have a Mercy you probably just lost due to how strong the ult is. Somehow though even with the insane balancing, I found the classic mode more enjoyable than the live game.
Truth season 9 gutted the game, but it started at like season 5, the shit storm of bad changes, and this all came off the back off 3 broken seasons of sojourn.
I like this video. I started playing overwatch in august 2020, and august through december felt pretty great around that time.
I realize how Launch OW was better. The flow, it is somewhat slow(in terms of damage) but it is also fast with Quick ultimates. Even if it isn't slow objectively, it still feels better with what mess modern OW is.
I didn't realise how good 1.0 OW1 was in some regards, like for example there's no immorts, no low skill bs get away abilities, enemies are actually killable when they make mistakes, the game is slower paced and healing isn't mega inflated so enemies are actually "1 hp" as opposed to retail where you wait 0.5seconds and the "1 hp" call-out has been healed to half or full.
The game is hugely imbalanced, but by god is it fun and full of tomfoolery. I have had games with all of us running as winton, mercy, zarya, rein castle and torb. I have fought against teams going all genji, widow and bastion. It's not even nostalgia, I am having more fun in classic than I have had in 2 years playing OW2. It's depressing.
I don't get the argument because they said multiple times that Classic and the 6v6 playtests are NOT the same thing, yes if they had a moth meta patch it would be a huge screwup but I don't see how that will affect the later 6v6 event which is separate from this
Open queue is so ass tbh. Ruins the whole 6v6 mode. Their new 2max mode was kinda great tho.
I feel amazing playing 6v6, sad they dont wanna keep it
Lol I was wrong on your last video. They aren't releasing their greatest hits, they're releasing their worst hits. Intentionally putting goats into the rotation is so fucking devious its an obvious assassination attempt on the 6v6 discourse. These devs are despicable 🤣
And it's not the 6v6 test it's just a look back at what ow use to be y'all are acting like they are doing this on purpose it's just a fun game mode which they are literally using as a test to make sure the 6v6 test aren't buggy with their engine
Is this crazy to say?? At this point someone has to be actively trying to kill overwatch in upper management.
The joke is on Blizz because even when they pick the worst patches from OW1 it’s still more fun than what we have now with 5v5. I agree they set out to try to undermine the idea OW1 was better by bringing back the worst moments but it won’t work. Instead, it shows that even five Wintons and a Lucio can be more fun than 5v5; many people would rather play against Torbs’ super-turret and Widow body-shot-ing Tracer than lonely giga-tanks. It’s pretty accurate to say they’ve been sabotaging the game for eight years now - but they never wanted “the game” … it’s so obvious that what they released at launch was just a demo that Jeff thought would allow him to finish Titan as the PvE game he’d imagined. Not even the Blizzard devs could imagine that Sym was fit to play on release; Torbs was probably closest to their actual vision for the future of the game, and it probably came as a shock to them that wasn’t how the players saw it.
6 vs 6 is trash, don't glaze it.
What makes 6v6 bad?
corporate greed at its finest
Is nobody pointing out purposely dropping these 6v6 modes when the other 6v6 games drop? Prolly gonna see the player count drop, say 'told ya so' and keep it pushing so they dont have to say sorry.
They dont need to "sabotage" as if they do it on purpose, they will ruin it like they do anything else, by default, its in their nature. ; )
"why they aren't revert back to 6v6? a format that's successful and popular demand"
I think Overwatch Devs just doesn't like being proving wrong, that's why they tiptoeing around the subject instead of changing it back.
But again, when Marvel Rivals launch things might change for the better or i don't know
Reminds me of that time the Devs were so stubborn about Brig that they refused to fix her for literally 4 years just cause they couldn't admit she was broken.
Playing overwatch classic is mind boggling, the fact i can play genji and actually do something.
Glad i moved on lol shame they like to run a train on their own franchise. Been playing it since 2016 and i am just done with it, it's not fun anymore, anyone who continues to play does so because there's no other game like overwatch or they got so hooked on it they just can't see themselves trying something els.
Lol. I mean you're not wrong there's nothing like it. I will play rivals but I don't think it will replace ow. I also got back into cs because how shit ow is right now
I left ow months ago. Came back to play classic and I had more fun in classic than ever I did in ow 2.
OW devs keep the inferior format out of pure pettiness.
i really dont understand what theyre doing, because they know marvel rivals is coming, but they say shit like that they wont replace the 5v5 format, and its pretty obvious they have no idea what this game is about because with all the metas that were born during the span of ow they chose moth meta.
Issue is they have never felt the need to try. Now that marvel rivals is around the corner, we are being drip fed with a 6v6 test. It shouldn't have taken 2 years though, and this is far too little, far too late. I will not settle for JUST 6v6. I'm gonna need a season 9 revert on top of that. I'm gonna need 29 damage genji shurikens back. I'm gonna need balancing that allows for the fan favorited heroes to be played. I'm gonna need MAAAAAAAAASSIVE support nerfs. And I'm gonna need so so so much more. All of that is the bare minimum after 8 FUCKING YEARS
i call it RPG elements, when you yourself pick what you want and do what you want - not going by someone else's "plan", plan works only if DEV's not stupid... not all games can achive hiring smart devs with DEI in place working against it.
The dev blog talked about how we are going to get all these meta's but then in the interview, Aaron said that people misunderstood and we have this 1.0 patch for 3 weeks, so we have 1.0 now, then in the next events we have all the worst meta's ever, I've been saying they would self sabotage and it looks like once again I was right.
Why not give us the good times and not the worst unless they had planned to self sabotage?
And the current engine still is so bad and still makes me feel sick to play, any other game or even ow1 didn't make me feel sick to play.
They also said some very interesting contradictive things aswell....
I hit uninstall right after I played and watched the start of the interview, I never thought I would be so done with all the BS from them.
If you had a game where you had to aim a slow projectile at a fast moving target how would you predict/aim and are there any specific ways to improve at this
Humans are naturally rhythmic, so use that to your advantage
Moth Meta: Everything is playable as long as you have Mercy, based on the Balancing ideas of the devs that would have been the PERFECT meta.... funnyly enough.. people warned them that Moth Mercy was gonna be to strong when she was on the PTR... but Mass Rez had to go, no matter what... Moth Meta was on noone but the "Mass Rez Bad, fix NOW!" folk.
blizzard vented
its funny cause this version is still more fun then the current game
Haven't played for a week, trying to quit like hard drugs, jump back on, reminded why this is a time waster. "Activision barbie simulator". It's funny how within a weeks' time the entire feel and flow of the game can change, with how these games are playing right now I expect to be in a full Teletubby costume next time I log on.
Serious question, (only watched the first 2 minutes admittedly): what if Blizzard invites you, Samito, and other pro 6v6 content creators to balance the game, and the tank population in 2 2 2 role queue is still not sufficient after let's say 6 months and queue times become even worse? Would you be willing to go back to 5v5 or would you still stay 6v6?
I can guarantee that if you put: Me, Spilo, Samito, and Realth into a room, we could have the game balanced in a week. 6v6 is better, regardless of balance.
None of the people that made OW1 are even there. These guys just inherited something fun and were told to add a battlepass to it. Balancing and upkeeping the game is just an unfortunate side job they're now forced to do. That's why they turn their brain off and buff based off winrates, hence the "+5" here and "-5" there dink and dunk "balance" changes and "reworks" that aren't reworks at all, just slight tweaks.
I never liked how Blizzard treats looking back at goats as if its just a little haha hehe funny joke like lets give Brig a skin to remind everyone of the patch and character that killed their game and their esports scene, and now bringing it back as if its something to be nostalgic about. Still makes me irrationally annoyed and spiteful how Brigitte is the domino that lead us to role queue, 5v5, and support powercreep.
I thought the moth meta was when mercy’s ult was changed and she could get 4 resurrections with her ultimate. Mass rez was annoying but that where the “kill and hunt mercy down first” troup came from.
What you guys in OW are witnessing, is a very similar story to how world of warcraft went in the shitter from Battle for azeroth to shadowlands. They have a vision, the community says there's problems. They proceed to ignore community feedback until its too late. Then fix everything, almost mirroing exactly what the community was asking for (im talking about the arguments from people with a real understanding of the game). Par for the course blizzard. This will never change unless they fundamentally do.
Idk why is everyone is complaining I just like this man I hope they bring back dps doom and stuff this is cool and I like 6v6 more then 5v5
I played the game starting at the beta and stopped at the second season of OverWatch 2. The launch game of the original OverWatch is better than anything I played with OverWatch 2 lol
Uninstalled months ago. I wont be xoming back for ow classic. No one asked for this. We asked for 6v6. Im not coming back for a side mode witha shit format. I could alrewdy play the private 6v6 code which is a better meta. Blizzard will never give us what we want. They have a daddy knows best mentality and were their abused children
Its not really classic tho. Torbs ult wasnt molten core on the floor, it was instant lvl 3 turret and extra armor and speed I believe
After playing classic a lot. I've learned that the most hated characters back in the day weren't that bad. Roadhog can be countered with ease, only scrubs with bad positioning complained about it. You can easily counter mei by just outranging her, similar story with torb and bastion. The only character who remains as cancerous as always is widow.
They rollbacked saying that they would keep 5v5 no matter what in one of the the directors takes or blog post a while back
I just don’t understand who tf at blizzard is dead ass fighting for open queue to still be a thing instead of just 6v6 after playing classic for a while I’ve found while I like the two tanks much better and it’s just more varied in team comps the game is so slow in comparison and clunky the fun factor of not having to deal with sombra doom fist and orisa kinda gets outweighed by the sheer jank clunkiness of stationary bastion, full turret torb, and other dozens of small changes and big ones. I completely understand why most people prefer the classic version but as a veteran player who’s seen everything 6v6 with current overwatch could be the most fun it can be. Open queue is a joke of a mode I’m convinced that some of the devs exclusively play because you can be plat in all your other roles but somehow get t500 in open queue somehow it’s the least fun mode and it’s arguably the least balanced outside of total mayhem yet it’s the secondary competitive mode…open queue is garbage just replace it with 6v6 without role lock it’s literally the same thing to us if not better.
The Switch can barely run 5v5 and they spend a lot on skins, mystery solved.
i don't really play ow anymore but i had a feeling they was gonna to ruin 6v6 by not during a off/def tank role to prevent goats, so am not surprise if this is true.
when did they do the dev interview? I can't find it anywhere. (NVM IT'S UPLOADED NOW LOL)
12 mins of facts, such a shame.
Tho the Mauga release was way worst than anything else.
0:45 You feel that way because it's arcade, so balance is bad.
Also IDK what you think but the devs who make OW aren't the devs this days, most of the OG devs has left Blizzard.
You should be mean to the devs, they're making 15K$ a month, yet they don't do great job.
I always say 5v5 or 6v6 was never the issue they can do unfun 6v6 and fun 5v5 if they wanted to.
Thing is they are so out of touch and have no clue how th3e game is played that they would fail to balance a solitare. And they wont switch anything. This is modern blizzard. Ignorance, stubbornness and incompetence at its finest. ANd they have no incentive to change since so many toxic positive npcs will always praise them for every mistake.