Console desync? How do PC players get it? (Battlefield 2042)
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- Опубликовано: 22 апр 2024
- I've seen too many clips of desync or lag, streams and videos from console players that genuinely make me question if the console version of the game runs differently than the PC version. Is it because a lot of console players play on Wi-Fi? Do consoles have to pass through Xbox/Playstation servers before they can reach the game server? Wi-Fi wouldn't make it faster or a more stable connection over ethernet and having game traffic pass through a separate network or server just to reach a game server would add latency in one form or another. In both cases that makes me wonder if degrading your network performance gives you a positive effect in-game where desync swings in your favor. If that is the case then that makes me question how much of the client-hybrid hit detection in the game still involves the server and how much power was given to the client. Or is it something else? Is the client, send, update, whatever you want to call it rate different on console vs PC? Yes I'm still referring to the most recent generation of consoles that can crossplay with PC players. The Network Performance Bar and Network Performance graph don't show client/update tick rate or the frequency it updates the server, only server tick rate is shown. If console hardware wasn't enough for the game would they try to squeeze out processing and performance by lowering the update rate for the client? Is it variable and changes depending on what is going on during the game? Yes it's a guess. It's one of the reasons I asked when it would be include in the Network Performance Bar/Graph. I never got a response so I can't help but wonder if those scenarios I mentioned are why it wasn't added. We know from the DICE developers that in BF3 the server tick rate was 30hz and the update rate was 10hz, has anyone been able to show with proof what the update rate is for consoles or PC in BF2042? Most of this is just spitballing nonsense so don't take it too seriously, just speculation based on curiosity because I don't know why situations like this are possible outside of high ping/latency players being the cause and from what I can tell the matchmaking doesn't try to bring in people from out of region so pings should be similar or closer then they were in previous Battlefield games.
It certainly would make troubleshooting the issue easier if the scoreboard showed the ping of EVERYONE in the server.
I didn't make this a YT short because I wanted to show all of the screen and include the player card to show it was a console player. 
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It's magnetic BF1 stabbing all over again.
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Don't think its an internet issue but more of an update/tick rate issue. I've seen instances on cod of something similar but not as bad as this. Has to be a decent size difference between numbers between console and pc
Depends with Cod sometimes too, the Reg D-Sync is nuts. Even with PC.
As an PS4 console player, I'm of the mindset that it's a update/tick rate thing. I feel like I've got a significant advantage over PC players when within melee range like this. Sometimes I get a backstab kill when it feels like there's 3 feet and a corner between me and the other guy.
I thought only PS5 and Xbox Series X/S players could crossplay with PC players in BF2042. PS4 can only crossplay with Xbox One players.
@@Ravic thats probably true but its also known that ps5 and xbox SX/S are underperforming compared to what their listed specs are, so i wouldnt put it past them
@@Ravic My sleep deprived brain meant Xbox, yeah. Sorry about that. I was trying to say that just between consoles I think there's a tick rate thing that messes with them.
looks very similar to getting counter-attacked while knifing from behind in bf4
Reminds me of the good old BF3 console days when people would play with these USB internet sticks that had 200+ ping to their own region. The amount desynced melee animations with those guys was insane especially if they knew to abuse it.
Ahh that’s what those Mexican knifing clans were doing trying to get me Colonel tags
Interesting, I did not know about that.
@@Ravic There was also a sort of lag switching where if you quickly paused and unpaused the game when jumping your character model would lag. I don't know if that existed on PC?
Is this why it feels like I'm getting 1 tapped by a console player, even though I saw him first, started shooting at his head and all the sudden I'm Dead?
yep. have this happen all the time
I've not been playing 2042 much, but the current/new Warzone has some desync issues when vsing Console players also, specifically PSN seems to just be seconds ahead of everyone.
I've not proven this but many streamers have switched to PS5 while playing on the newer cods... I even purchased one and felt like i was just in a different league from people again, however older Warzone and 2019 MW didnt feel like it had this issue.
Its weird to see it in different games(like this), around the same time frame
Thank you for sharing your experiences.
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Nope, not a console issue. I've done this multiple times on PC. It seems to be the "trigger" in the game occurs a solid second before any animation plays...
My character's back was never facing the enemy console player. Besides when I mention in the video description I've seen too many clips of desync or lag related to console players I'm not referring to just melee animations. I'm also referring to the "one-frame" deaths PC players only seem to experience when getting shot by console players. There are other weird occurrences that I've only experienced or seen from console players as well like ones related to inaccurate third person player model stances.
Gave me flashbacks of BF4 counter knifing tick rate issues. Stab a prone player in the back, counter knifed.
I don't even get it though..... besides latency, you never even turned your back towards him or towards the location you were on his screen, or am I wrong? Even if it was lag you'd expect the game to preserve your character's orientation, but when he kills you, it shows you facing a direction that you never even turned to
I dislike playing with cross play on PS5 as it's a much worse experience than playing with it off. It's gotten a bit better over time but the only way I can describe it is with cross play on it was like playing in treacle. Now with it on it is noticeably worse but not quite as bad. I suspect it's related to PS5, Xbox and PC networking all having to talk to each other and adding latency issues because of that. If you throw a bad connection on top it makes it even worse.
I doubt the tick rate is lower on console.
The tick rate is the same across all platforms - a max of 30hz. BFV had 60hz tick rate servers and you can feel the difference.
@@Psikeadelicthe tickrate for 2042 is 45hz but yeah BFV was 60hz. I don't really notice a huge difference.
face it rav. the console player just had a better gaming chair.
Or perhaps it's the gaming couch I'm missing?
@@Ravic They got their gaming socks on to go with the gaming couch obviously.
A lot of it just comes down to ping. I’m on Series X with 7ms ping and never notice these rubberbanding/teleporting issues
It struck Me for awhile now, but cross play has been nothing but a problem with regard to connection I hope dice in the future just straight remove it
Oh man I am genuinely afraid of what is and isn't going to be in the next BF game. Each successive game they take away more functionality players take for granted (and even more that PC players take for granted). I love the idea of a larger player base so I can play with my brother on console, but not all the baggage that crossplay brings along with it.
Had this same exact thing happen. Got a clip of it too. Rewatched it to see if it was a different person but nope. Console desync is 100% real
I’ll be honest, maybe I’m not paying attention but I’ve been playing this game consistently since launch and haven’t experienced anything nearly as egregious as this. But honestly, considering how rampant and well known this issue is, I’m chalking it up to a combination of luck and lack of awareness on my part.
Its because when you slide, your detected as crouch, and console can execute crouch people but PC has to be in the back everytime except if the guy is prown to execute
I did not know console players are allowed to execute/melee-takedown players that are crouched even if they are facing them. As far as I know and have tested you have to always melee the player from behind to activate a takedown. Do you have videos showing or proving this?
Coming from someone who played a lot of MW2 on PC on dodgy internet, this just looks like lag plus maybe low tickrate (at least compared to valorant or similar). I don't know why anyone would assume a player that joins at low ping will stay at low ping. I've never had internet that consistent and a lot of people never will. Any number of issues could be piled on top of that and add complexity, but if it happened to me I'd just assume they were lagging. DO BF servers boot people whose pings is unstable? Even if they do I'd be surprised if it were very strict.
If the connection is actually unstable where there is real packet loss players will get disconnected by the backend account servers if they fail too many check-ins with it. The point of the video isn't really about lag or unstable internet although it would be nice to see the pings of everyone in the server on the scoreboard. The point is this kind of stuff only seems to happen when the enemy player is on console specifically. As in why do console players have such significant desync vs PC players.
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Hell yea short uploaded as a video
Sorry, but it would have been a pain to do it as a short as mentioned in the video description. Since it would have been harder to show that enemy player was on console.
Cross play ain't it. It's not worth artificially filling up servers if we get situations like these. Been saying this since Warzone 1 launched, amongst other reasons.
I don't recall getting a lot of these situations with console players in the first Warzone. Sure plenty of fights lost due to aim assist or no recoil for controllers but there wasn't the frequent "one frame" deaths like we get in BF2042 when getting killed by console players. I'm torn on the subject because without crossplay this game would probably be empty most nights for PC players at least in some regions. I would rather know the cause so a solution could be found to address it.
@Ravic maybe not that blatant of desync, but it was pretty dire to be playing during the mid seasons. I still remember that getting into a shootout with all those effects and screen shake would completely tank performance on PS4. I have a lot more concerns other than technical issues, like cheating, sensitivity differences (and how it still handles like older COD games and not nearly fast, smooth, or precise enough as BF4 and Dying Light on that same console), and how locking your platform preferences basically does nothing because people are generally unaware of that option being in the game.
ive been advocating for no crossplay in this game forever now. its laggier, theres absolutely a skill gap between the majority console and pc players (its not even close), and it ruins the game because of it. the average console player isnt nearly as good as an average pc player
I have so many hitreg/lag instances in this game, and I am positive it is due to crossplay mechanics but I could be wrong. And if a console player disables crossplay they can still find games, PC players have no such luck unfortunately.
@@Psikeadelic Well, every time I did attempt to find a match, I had been sitting in a lobby for quite a while. Clearly, I'm doing something wrong. Hated the base game beyond that though, so I never stuck around to do more tests after... Vanguard.
from looking frame by frame you teleported to him. If his position lags behind yours because he is on console that could explain it. like on his screen you ran past him sort of thing. this doesnt seem likely but who knows. your shot connecting is the confusing part. you would think positional and rotational information would be conjoined.
long time viewer here Ravic, played bf3 & 4 on pc, started watching you during 3 and never left. only played 2042 during beta so dont have experience with 2042.
I think it is their packet prioritization strategy. Let me explain. Mid lifecycle of bf1 they started messing with things to give high pingers (>100 ping) a "better experience". Basically, even though the server saw your kill shots first it would still consider your fellow players packets and then if it deamemed they won the gun fight (ie. It prioritized their packets) you were dead instantly and it was pretty obvious and wonky from how the game had been, especially with the slow ttk. To help the instant death issue they even tried lowering the ttk rates which helps hide the issue. You could still notice it in bf5 especially with shotguns. You would get a killshot off but then you died even though you saw no shots/damage from the other player until after your shot.
I would be willing to bet that someone at dice decided that because most pc players have better hardware, that in order to give console players a "better experience", they would prioritize their packet data ever so slightly. Not so obvious but still noticable to someone who plays as much as you. Do i know that for sure. No. But thats what i would guess. Combine that with the diffenences in ping and there you go.
They have been doing the "give all players the same experience" since BF3. DICE explained that was their reasoning to switching to client-hybrid hit detection when going from the alpha to the beta in BF3 because the alpha was still running server-side hit detection. Their reasoning was they wanted to make the gameplay experience feel the same whether a player had 20 ping or 200 ping. It gave advantages to certain ping ranges back then as well and continued to do so throughout following Battlefield titles. I don't think that is what occurred in the video because matchmaking in BF2042 doesn't really allow console players to venture out of their region so they'd have to jump through a lot of hoops to do so. That and as I mentioned in the video description these kinds of issues seem to only occur when facing a console player. However giving console player's traffic/packets higher prioritization is technically a possibility but I can't imagine that getting through all the tiers of development management at DICE.
@@Ravic You say that but look at all the stupid decisions dice has made on purpose. From the "if you don't like it don't buy it" to them changing the classes, etc, etc. I can imagine it. Haha. I haven't bought bf2042 yet. Mostly because life got busy but also because I began to dislike everything about dice. I still find it entertaining to watch you guys have fun I'm just not sure it is worth it for me. And that is sad considering how much I used to like battlefield. Anyway, thanks for the content! Troll on!
You weren´t desynced THE console player WAS
Yes that is what the video title is indicating, it's why I'm asking how PC players can get this kind of desync since I've only experienced or seen these kinds of situations when versus a console player.
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missed the qte hahaha
HOLY 💩 WHAT WAS THAT?! WTF WAS THAT?!
LAGing ,,like BF3 BF4,
What I experienced is that when shooting a console player, sometimes the hit marker and kill feed will have a half second delay before popping up
Game has always been desynchronized to an unplayable degree, bf4 was about as stable as ive seen a bf game as far as server syn
i think its bad internet connection
That would mean pretty much all console players have bad internet connections. While not impossible it's just something I would be very skeptical of because stuff like this is something I've only seen or experienced when against a console player.
It is not. Conslol players always desynced with you as if they are playing on 150-200+ ping. They always kill you in one or two frames, shots on them are registered with a noticable delay, etc, etc. Crossplay is a joke in BF
@@Ravici think it's pretty likely
ISP's around the world, or rather the big backbones and big junctions, regularly fuck your data up and delay packets or just never send them.
I'd even assume you personally have 1-5% packet loss, but depends on the game and time of day.
It's truly getting really bad
@awemowe2830 That means I'm somehow getting a bad connection or packet loss whenever I'm against a console player but not when against PC player. That seems like a bit of a stretch.
@@user-tx2si2zp1ithat's what it feels like to play against pc players on console lmao, delayed bullets, desync, dying in one frame, the game is just fundamentally awful.
Ravic it’s time to let go of battlefield I think. For your own health lol
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i'm sure he appreciates this comment since it boosts this video in the youtube algorithm lol
So I can explain this as a console player who has personally done this numerous times.
Its just the prompt, the prompt appears on screen "Hold X" essentially, I dont think it was Desync unless they were lagging, next gen servers (xplay with PC) run on 60hz servers so desync is unlikely, though I can understand why you'd think it was a desync _(it does look like it)_ - But essentially as you crossed in front of them, on their screen they saw the takedown prompt and clicked it, then you got sucked into the animation.
_Never thought I'd enjoy watching another man beat you off though.._
I mention in the video description we don't know what the client/send/update rate is for BF2042 and if it's different from the server tick rate, nor do we know if it's the same for consoles yes even next gen ones that can do crossplay with PC. The server tick rate for BF2042 is 45hz not 60hz. The other point mentioned in the video description is this kind of stuff only occurs when facing a console player, not against PC players. So the question still stands, how do PC players get this because if it's not desync then what you are indicating is console players get an unfair advantage where a melee takedown prompt will appear no matter what direction a PC player is facing so long as that PC player is within a certain range of the console player.
Nah that's skill issue
Not on Xbox or PlayStation so not console lmao maybe he just panic spammed knife and the coding gave it to him
Not sure what you mean. The player I was facing and shooting somehow got a takedown animation on me which is only possible when behind a player or hitting the melee key/button when looking at their back. The player card shows they were are a console player, so yes there is some absurd desync for console players.
🤔 packet loss????
I've been convinced for awhile that the console players get a better connection or ping or tick rate or something over the PC players
To me, it feels like DICE implements mechanics so certain types of players have advantages. COD does this too, with different hitboxes based on skill, etc. I have no proof, but it feels very different getting killed by console players. Watching people play BF2042 on console also feels like watching a different game; it's way more forgiving. I sometimes get killed before I pass a corner, as if the game knows I'm there a second ahead, and I already receive damage. I also experience receiving damage first and hearing shots later. I constantly feel like I am at a disadvantage, even though I have a ping of 20-28.
I grant DICE like almost all game developers have given aim assist and reduced recoil advantages to console players but this kind of issue seems more unintentional or related to something else entirely.
Same has happened to me, I always blamed it on high ping