Just some FYI about signals. Interlocking signals (also called "Home" signals) are not ABS signals. They are controlled by a Dispatcher and drop to STOP after the train passes and enters the block inside the interlocking. They can only work like an automatic signal if they are fleeted but only straight move can be fleeted. Crossover moves cannot be fleeted.
There are several prototype signal aspects omitted. It is a simplified system that many model railroaders use - easier to build and easier for visiting operators to understand. Everything in model railroading is a compromise.
Peter , I need to thank you, I noticed you are using the Facia panels from tam valley , I was able to rework the print files for those Facia panels to fit the Walthers push button station, final results are great thank you , also a very interesting video great job
I like automation. I have planned to use the DCC Concepts ESP system on my layout. However, there are times that I feel it is too much. That all the automation takes away from just operating a layout. Since I picked a time period of @1912 and narrow gauge I can get away with leaving a lot of automation out of the layout.
Are you assuming resistor wheelsets on some/all cars, or perhaps end-of-train lights (or lighted caboose/lighted observation car) to allow detection? I guess it depends on how long the blocks are versus how long the trains will be. Will it be needed to detect a train *backing* into a section?
Ideally, all cars need resistor wheel-sets. In theory, every third car is probably sufficient for permanently-blocked through freights, but that system fails as soon as you start swapping consists.
That worked rather well but it looked like a lot of spaghetti wiring underneath. The upper signal responded to the input from the train but the lower signal did not. Is the lower signal dedicated to the diverging route and is that wiring also completed already in the wiring shown.
It's a test track. Tidying up the wiring is not a priority but it helps to determine how it can be done on the actual railroad. The upper head is for the straight route; the lower head is for diverging. All routes were tested each time but showing all the tests would have made for a long an tedious video.
@@mpeterll I apologize, I was not referring to the neatness of your wiring. I was just commenting on the volume of the wiring and my fear of not being able to do it due to the amount and complexity.
Excellent ...... I'm learning stuff here but I have a question if I may, When a long train starts to pass a signal when does the signal good from green to red? as the loco passes the signal or after all the train has passed the signal? In the UK the guard in the guards van (caboose) was also responsible for checking that the train hadn't run a red light.
The signal goes red whenever the block is occupied, just as on the rear railroads. What you say about the guard's responsibilities predates automatic signals. If you watch a train pass a signal now, it goes red long before the whole train is past.
What are using for detection? I would suggest stepping it up and program for true interlocking. Also there are better options for signals ( affordable) Atlas . Is Prototype northern RR? Snow shields would indicate this.
Just type in N3ix and you'll find them. The Atlas signals are available direct from Atlas or on e-bay. I purchased mine from a guy trading as "yankeedabbler".
Your videos are the highlight of my week. Thank you.
AWESOME Peter thanks for sharing.😊😊👍👍
hello Mpeterll & it's is Randy and i like yours video is cool & Thanks Mpeterll & Friends Randy
Just some FYI about signals. Interlocking signals (also called "Home" signals) are not ABS signals. They are controlled by a Dispatcher and drop to STOP after the train passes and enters the block inside the interlocking. They can only work like an automatic signal if they are fleeted but only straight move can be fleeted. Crossover moves cannot be fleeted.
That's exactly the operation I was aiming for. It requires additional software that I haven't yet delved into.
Excellent video Peter! I would love to implement some signals on the club layout.
Great video!
If this is for a modern railroad, at least for Union Pacific, there is also a flashing yellow aspect between green and solid yellow.
There are several prototype signal aspects omitted. It is a simplified system that many model railroaders use - easier to build and easier for visiting operators to understand. Everything in model railroading is a compromise.
Peter , I need to thank you, I noticed you are using the Facia panels from tam valley , I was able to rework the print files for those Facia panels to fit the Walthers push button station, final results are great thank you , also a very interesting video great job
Glad it was useful.
interesting engineering process, to get it working you use the same methodology as SpaceX, albeit with fewer explosions.
No explosions at all yet, and my budget is probably lower as well.
I like automation. I have planned to use the DCC Concepts ESP system on my layout. However, there are times that I feel it is too much. That all the automation takes away from just operating a layout. Since I picked a time period of @1912 and narrow gauge I can get away with leaving a lot of automation out of the layout.
That reminds me of the days when I actually wrote the signal interlocking!
Are you assuming resistor wheelsets on some/all cars, or perhaps end-of-train lights (or lighted caboose/lighted observation car) to allow detection? I guess it depends on how long the blocks are versus how long the trains will be. Will it be needed to detect a train *backing* into a section?
Ideally, all cars need resistor wheel-sets. In theory, every third car is probably sufficient for permanently-blocked through freights, but that system fails as soon as you start swapping consists.
Thank you for the video, is this system for the Sydney Layout build?
For the signal system is it easier with Digitrax than NCE or LCC ?
That looks like nice plywood to work with for model trains, what plywood is it. great work to see
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That worked rather well but it looked like a lot of spaghetti wiring underneath. The upper signal responded to the input from the train but the lower signal did not. Is the lower signal dedicated to the diverging route and is that wiring also completed already in the wiring shown.
It's a test track. Tidying up the wiring is not a priority but it helps to determine how it can be done on the actual railroad.
The upper head is for the straight route; the lower head is for diverging. All routes were tested each time but showing all the tests would have made for a long an tedious video.
@@mpeterll I apologize, I was not referring to the neatness of your wiring. I was just commenting on the volume of the wiring and my fear of not being able to do it due to the amount and complexity.
Excellent ...... I'm learning stuff here but I have a question if I may, When a long train starts to pass a signal when does the signal good from green to red? as the loco passes the signal or after all the train has passed the signal? In the UK the guard in the guards van (caboose) was also responsible for checking that the train hadn't run a red light.
The signal goes red whenever the block is occupied, just as on the rear railroads. What you say about the guard's responsibilities predates automatic signals. If you watch a train pass a signal now, it goes red long before the whole train is past.
Looks too complicated for me. Ive not gone a block detection route for my layout and I think that remains the solution for me. thank you
What are using for detection? I would suggest stepping it up and program for true interlocking. Also there are better options for signals ( affordable) Atlas . Is Prototype northern RR? Snow shields would indicate this.
The block detection was fully discussed in the previous video.
Just wondering what "trips" the signal when the train passes? Are there some type of sensors?
Track occupancy. The wiring for that was discussed in the previous installment.
Will you provide a link to the signal controllers? Also, where did you find Atlas WORKING signals?
Just type in N3ix and you'll find them.
The Atlas signals are available direct from Atlas or on e-bay. I purchased mine from a guy trading as "yankeedabbler".
Hi Peter - are we having dwarf signals in the yards?
I was thinking of just a single dwarf signal at each exit point for returning back to the main.
@@mpeterll yep - sounds good Peter