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  • Опубликовано: 31 июл 2024
  • This video shows the teardown, the reverse engineering and the test of a servomotor used in the Iranian Shahed-136 kamikaze drone (also called Geranium-2) .
    00:00 - Intro
    01:46 - Teardown
    02:36 - Electronic board
    03:16 - Test
    06:15 - Reverse-engineering - overview
    06:47 - Reverse polarity protection
    08:15 - Power supply
    08:54 - Brushless motor power stage
    10:03 - PWM input interface
    10:27 - Feedback device
    10:46 - Feedback output circuit
    active parts used:
    SED10070GG: N-channel MOSFET (x7)
    www.lcsc.com/datasheet/lcsc_d...
    SGM8591: Single-Supply, Single Rail-to-Rail I/O Precision Operational Amplifier
    www.sg-micro.com/rect/assets/...
    EG2134 芯片用户手册 三相独立半桥驱动芯片
    www.lcsc.com/datasheet/lcsc_d...
    TLP2361
    eu.mouser.com/datasheet/2/408...
    XL7005A - 0.4A 150KHz 80V Buck DC to DC Converter
    www.lcsc.com/datasheet/lcsc_d...
    Blog with schematic diagram in pdf:
    mwblog.fr/ldm-367-shahed-136-...
    Link to schematic diagram:
    mwblog.fr/wp-content/uploads/...
    The servo is similar to the giant scale servo from Hitec ref HS-1005SGT:
    hitecrcd.com/products/servos/...
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  • @StreuB1
    @StreuB1 Месяц назад +175

    This is a Hitec HS-1005SGT with the label removed.

    • @YouCanHasAccount
      @YouCanHasAccount Месяц назад +34

      That's awkward for them. Surely this component should be under export sanctions to both Iran and Russia. Uncle Sam will have questions.

    • @AKAtheA
      @AKAtheA Месяц назад +7

      that is supposed to have a 5 pole brushed motor, so, no it's not...

    • @RoroBar-k8e
      @RoroBar-k8e Месяц назад

      Exactly !

    • @Pgr-pt5ep
      @Pgr-pt5ep Месяц назад +20

      I doubt it's Hitec branded because clones that perform just as well can be had for much cheaper. These drones need to hit a tight budget and branded would be a waste of money.

    • @AKAtheA
      @AKAtheA Месяц назад +7

      @@spotonnls3538 *brushless*
      the electronics are completely different

  • @yngndrw.
    @yngndrw. Месяц назад +86

    This is a very high-quality version of a regular remote control servo. It's unusual to find a brushless RC servo, let alone one with a sensored brushless motor and an encoder.
    You did well finding it for €1. Thank you for sharing it with us.

    • @Pgr-pt5ep
      @Pgr-pt5ep Месяц назад +16

      Brushless RC servos are not unusual. In fact are commonly available, though used mostly by RC enthusiasts who need if for their reliability in their expensive models. And all Brushless servos are sensored AFAIK due to the need for max torque at zero RPM for position holding, can't be done otherwise.

    • @yngndrw.
      @yngndrw. Месяц назад +1

      @@Pgr-pt5ep I hadn't found any sensored ones last time I looked, although admittedly that was a long time ago so maybe it's different now. I'd always assumed they just relied on the high gear ratio to get started - All the ones I've seen have used a regular brushless servo with back-emf feedback but it has been years since I looked tbh. It's good if it's now commonplace, I never liked the sensorless setups personally.

    • @Pgr-pt5ep
      @Pgr-pt5ep Месяц назад +1

      ​@@yngndrw. I had to see if truly sensorless-brushless RC servos exist, and it's still possible but I couldn't find any on quick search.
      A truly sensorless servo would have to either have a lot of backlash or designed for very light loads to make sensorless work, neither being usable for high-end RC applications.

    • @yngndrw.
      @yngndrw. Месяц назад

      @@Pgr-pt5ep It was quite a while ago that I saw one, maybe 5 years. It was a "JX" branded servo, but sadly I don't remember the model number, I don't have the disassembly pictures anymore and I can't find any online. It wasn't an expensive one.

    • @skuula
      @skuula Месяц назад

      @@yngndrw. When you write sensored, what do you mean - an output shaft position sensor, or a motor shaft position sensor (aka sensored brushless motor)?

  • @sebc8938
    @sebc8938 28 дней назад +11

    A teardown of the KOMETA-M GNSS guidance kit and other electronics of the UMPK Russian guided bombs would be very interesting also.

  • @aerialbugsmasher
    @aerialbugsmasher Месяц назад +15

    I've been flying RC for 30+ years. This looks surprisingly typical of a hobby grade servo, although ruggedized, it reminds me somewhat of the Promodeler servo brand, but not nearly as well made. Other commenters claim its a Hitec without a badge, but I'd be more inclined to think it's a 3rd party clone, they're all over alibaba. It would've been nice if you showed us the gearbox, I would assume it's an all metal gear train, cheaper ones may use plastic or delrin gears. Very nice ones will have stainless steel gears with bronze bushings and bearings, or even titanium gears, but I think the latter make no difference other than sounding fancy for marketing.
    The wiring colors for the external connectors are pretty standard across the field. I've seen 3 variations, red,black, which is self explanatory, followed by white for the signal wire. This is usually the convention for Futaba servos. JR servos usually use brown for -, red, and yellow for signal. Hitec uses the the scheme seen in this specimen. The hobby ones use a dupont connector, which can be flimsy, so it's easy to see why they upgraded that. In the hobby world, I would expect this to be marketed as a high voltage digital brushless servo. High voltage in this case means 7.2v nominal, usually supplied by a 2 cell lipo battery. Smaller servos typically run on 4.5V, which was the nominal voltage for 4 cell NiCd batteries back in the day if I remember correctly.
    600us to 2400us is a very typical range, however, in many hobby transmitter systems the default range is slightly less, to allow for the option to expand the range. 1500us is usually considered the center point of the servo. I'm impressed with how quiet this servo is, as many digital servos make a very obnoxious PWM whine even when idle, usually the cheaper ones. Also, this one has really good resolution. For a "high" quality servo I would expect to see 330hz PWM rates, but I've seen as high as 560. A servo of this size would be used in giant scale RC planes, 30% or larger scale. Or for very large RC trucks.
    Overall, looks like a pretty decent servo, and I wonder how much Iran is paying for them. Great job with your channel, keep up the good work. As a pilot I love learning the more intimate details of our instruments that are often overlooked in our training.

  • @MaxPivovarov
    @MaxPivovarov Месяц назад +18

    24V 200KG Brushless HV Metal Gear UAV Servo Motor
    Description:
    Operating Voltage: DC8.4V-12V-24V
    Size: 64*33*73.6mm
    Stall Torque: 200Kg.cm@12V
    Speed: 0.13sec/60°@12V
    Weight: 360g
    Working Frequence: 1520us/333Hz
    Motor: Brushless
    Stalling current: 10.2A @ DC12V

  • @KonstantinGrigoriadis
    @KonstantinGrigoriadis Месяц назад +18

    Hello, Very nice Video as Always, Thankyou!
    The Servo Electronics are interesting, mostly Chinese parts (EGMicro, XLSemi, etc), Parts that I use in my Designs too. No Overpaid Military Parts !, This is why the can be produced in such low Prices! Cheers, Konstantin

  • @victoryfirst2878
    @victoryfirst2878 Месяц назад +2

    Great video Michel. I tip my hat to you SIR. Thanks

  • @msylvain59
    @msylvain59 Месяц назад +9

    I am bidding on a Shahed servo on ebay, a somewhat bigger model it seems, with a connector instead of the cable going inside. Seller states it is Hitek brand servo too. He has also soviet missile electronics, in a state like if they were out of a blender sadly, nothing to see or salvage.

  • @mumbaiverve2307
    @mumbaiverve2307 Месяц назад +2

    Would be interesting to see the repeatability with a dial indicator or some such device... Thanks for the video !

  • @tocsa120ls
    @tocsa120ls Месяц назад +26

    €1 was kind of a steal for this, new they cost about €100 for an off-label and €400 for the Hitec servo what this is.

    • @user-iw1qn3mt7e
      @user-iw1qn3mt7e Месяц назад +2

      It’s simply indecent to price Chinese shit in euros.
      For items of defective Liao, you can pay exclusively with waste paper such as yuan, ruble, lira..

    • @user-iw1qn3mt7e
      @user-iw1qn3mt7e Месяц назад +1

      @@lucombe doesn't it bother you that it's new and comes with a warranty?

    • @lo2740
      @lo2740 21 день назад

      @@user-iw1qn3mt7e lol, the markup oif HITECH is basically 2000%, the real price of their servo should be 50USD? the 350 USD they take on it is jsut pure scam. The fair price for such servo is 50USD? which is a little more than what it is sold for in shenzhen, unlike US companies, chiense companies make low margins and work hard.

    • @lo2740
      @lo2740 21 день назад

      ​@@user-iw1qn3mt7e you just show your ignorance. The vast majority of "US" products, even higest grade ones, are actually made and even designed in China, in parrticular in Shenzhen, these US companies purchase the good for a very small fraction of what they will sell to their final clients. For example this HITECH servo, they sell it 400 and there is a good changce it is made in shenzhen and sold to them for 40, as an electronics engineer for a shenzhen company i can tell, this is what occurs everyday. Anyway the shenzhen clone is better built and designed than the "original" and sold for a more than fair price, actually a little under what it should be sold for, given the quality.

  • @klam77
    @klam77 Месяц назад

    super cool.

  • @manfredbogner9799
    @manfredbogner9799 Месяц назад

    Sehr gut

  • @canalcomentario
    @canalcomentario Месяц назад +1

    A construçao parece ser resistente.

  • @michelstempin6216
    @michelstempin6216 Месяц назад +5

    At 10:17, if the circuit you are talking about that you don't know the purpose is the TV1 BAT54S dual Schottky diode, it is used to clamp the signal to 0V/+3.3V (actually -0.3V/+3.6V)

    • @lelabodemichel5162
      @lelabodemichel5162  Месяц назад +2

      I know that is a clamp, but why clamping a voltage which is already inside 0-3.3V ?

    • @michelstempin6216
      @michelstempin6216 Месяц назад +2

      @@lelabodemichel5162 Probably transients... STM32 inputs are well known to be sensitive to voltages over the AMR

    • @JoshuaPalley
      @JoshuaPalley Месяц назад

      @@lelabodemichel5162check around for evaluation boards implementing similar circuits. It may have simply been lifted from a different design.

    • @cogoid
      @cogoid Месяц назад +1

      @@lelabodemichel5162 If there were a huge common mode interference on the cable wires, like from a nearby radar, perhaps even the tiny capacitive coupling across the opto-coupler could pass enough of the interference through?

    • @lelabodemichel5162
      @lelabodemichel5162  Месяц назад +7

      I have found the reason. I thought that the resistor R19 of 470R was connected to a test point but it is actually connected to one pad for external wiring, for test purpose or maybe to drive the servomotor without the opto-coupler. In that case a protection is effectively required.

  • @digital_age6096
    @digital_age6096 Месяц назад +2

    Sir please do more schematic analysis 🙌🙌🙌

  • @eprohoda
    @eprohoda Месяц назад

    Like. that is excellent ~ bye. Le! ))

  • @Herofromzer0
    @Herofromzer0 Месяц назад +1

    That servo is Hitec or Smilar Chines copy that you can find at Hobbyking.

  • @monkeysfromvenus
    @monkeysfromvenus Месяц назад +1

    Excuse me sir, I have a question. At 7:30, you say that a capacitor in parallel with the MOSFET's gate resistor accelerates the FET's conduction. Could you explain why? I'm learning about electrical engineering and I haven't heard about that before. Doesn't any capacitance in the gate's signal trace cause the voltage to rise slower, prolonging the period in which the gate is only slightly past the threshold voltage and heating it up? Is there a reason why an added capacitor there would increase the speed of turning the FET on?
    Thank you for this very thorough video, I learned a lot watching it and wasn't expecting any more than a closeup shot of the PCB.

    • @lelabodemichel5162
      @lelabodemichel5162  Месяц назад +6

      As all low Rdson mosfets the gate capacitance is quite large, 4.4nF for this one. This capacitor creates a time constant with the resistor in series with the gate. Adding a capacitor in parallel with the resistor creates a capacitive divider which permits to charge the gate capacitance quickly.

  • @mifak666
    @mifak666 Месяц назад

    Hitec HS-1005SGT THX for schema :)

  • @yamashe8480
    @yamashe8480 Месяц назад

    wonderful video. thank you for sharing. Where do you buy this stuff? eBay?

  • @dmytrokorseko518
    @dmytrokorseko518 Месяц назад +2

    Merci pour la vidéo, Michel! Moteur triphasé, qui l'aurait pensé. Merci aussi pour la XL7005.

    • @lo2740
      @lo2740 21 день назад +1

      bldc, standard sur les gros servos. Le XL7005 n'est pas particulièrement performant, son avantage c'est : son prix, VIN 65V, EMI relativement faible (tourne a 200KHz) par contre courant 400mA seulement. Dans le genre le TD1688 est mieux avec une BOM plus réduite (60V, 2A, 480KHz).

  • @Volkan2073
    @Volkan2073 Месяц назад +9

    Could you also check out the Turkish drone Bayraktar TB-2 ?

  • @ALEFILES
    @ALEFILES Месяц назад +1

    I wonder which frequency these drone use? And how is the maximum range of the transmitter? The commercial transmiters (e.g. FUTABA) only have 1500 m, and I am shure the drone transmitters gets over more than 10 Km...
    Nice video!
    Greetings from Argentina!

    • @lo2740
      @lo2740 21 день назад +1

      what makes you think these drones are remotely controlled? most likely they are guided by IMU and GPS). Anyway, remote controlling this for several thousand meters is not a problem, there are plenty of ways to do it.

  • @marinoceccotti9155
    @marinoceccotti9155 Месяц назад +3

    So satisfying to see that Iranian engineers use NATO standard connectors...

  • @scott_aero3915
    @scott_aero3915 Месяц назад +5

    Looks to be a copy or an OEM of a HiTec HS-1005SGT (the picture of the burnt out servo is of a different type of servo)

    • @yngndrw.
      @yngndrw. Месяц назад +1

      Are you sure? The specs of the HS-1005SGT suggest that it uses brushed motor unless I'm misreading them.

    • @scott_aero3915
      @scott_aero3915 Месяц назад +2

      @@yngndrw. I wouldn't be surprised if the HiTec website description was wrong/out of date - the HS-1100WP appears to be the exact same servo as the HS-1005SGT but that spec table says its a '5 Poles Cored Metal Brushless'. So it could be one of those but in a silver anodised or non-anodised casing. If Michel could weigh the servo on its own (no metal backing plate) we could see if it matches the 363g weight given by HiTec. The key thing for me, here is that Michel has a servo with a casing that matches a HiTec product - the only way to know if the rest does is a full strip down and comparison against a parts list - there are spare gear sets listed by HiTec for these servos.

    • @yngndrw.
      @yngndrw. Месяц назад +2

      @@scott_aero3915 On the DS2685BLDP page of the Promodeler website it gives some details on the HS-1100WP and they suggest that it also uses a brushed motor - So it appears that HiTec do not understand their own products.
      It's also possible that HiTec has additional OEM ranges which aren't typically available to us commoners, with slightly different specifications. That might also explain the lack of labelling.

  • @erwe1054
    @erwe1054 Месяц назад +1

    Покажи датчик положения, на чем он выполнен ? Зачем нужна цепь FEEDBACK OUTPUT на U6 ? Это отладочный вывод?

  • @valerigeorgiev5615
    @valerigeorgiev5615 Месяц назад +1

    Simple and effective!

  • @rjohndoe1
    @rjohndoe1 Месяц назад

    From where did you buy it?

  • @ikocheratcr
    @ikocheratcr Месяц назад +2

    Could you decap the microcontroller to get an idea if it is really an ST or some clone/fake part?

    • @MirceaPrunaru
      @MirceaPrunaru Месяц назад +2

      would be cool to take a look at the firmware from it though.

    • @tariqsingh3747
      @tariqsingh3747 Месяц назад

      ​@@MirceaPrunaru Probably read protected, getting past that with LN2 and things is *sometimes* possible, but it's quite hard and unlikely to work.

    • @cogoid
      @cogoid Месяц назад +2

      China buys 3 billion dollars of STM chips every year. The genuine articles are readily available, as are even cheaper domestic equivalents.
      It would not be very interesting to reverse engineer the firmware. There are plenty of open source examples and tutorials showing how to implement this functionality.

    • @tariqsingh3747
      @tariqsingh3747 Месяц назад

      ​@@cogoid exactly right

    • @henria.277
      @henria.277 Месяц назад +1

      Nothing to see, Hitec is a very reputable and high-quality brand for servomotors in the hobby world, this one of them. No clones or fakes in there, it's good stuff.

  • @NonEuclideanTacoCannon
    @NonEuclideanTacoCannon Месяц назад

    Looks nearly identical to some of the servos I've seen in very expensive RC stuff. I'd be interested in how torque-y it is. Perfect Pass makes a 56 kg servo that size with the same aluminum housing. It's truly a monstrous servo,

  • @marcelodasilvalima6809
    @marcelodasilvalima6809 Месяц назад

    👍👏👏👏

  • @user-yu8rv4zf5f
    @user-yu8rv4zf5f Месяц назад

    يقال ان محرك الطائرة هو في الاساس للدراجات النارية😊

  • @user-vp8xi3sy2u
    @user-vp8xi3sy2u Месяц назад

    Интересно.

  • @micahburnside2281
    @micahburnside2281 7 дней назад

    WOW. How did you get this?

  • @videostodososdiasnobartolo6883
    @videostodososdiasnobartolo6883 Месяц назад +1

    De fabricação chinesa?

  • @michelstempin6216
    @michelstempin6216 Месяц назад

    At 3:10, the protection varnish you see on the PCB is "conformal coating" (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conformal_coating )

    • @Lazerecho
      @Lazerecho Месяц назад +2

      He even said it's the silicone style...

    • @mikropower01
      @mikropower01 Месяц назад +2

      We use this conformal coating too, in our case it is from a British company and works very well. But the PCB must be clean and the connectors have to be covered.
      We can not make the device 100% totally tight against air, and if the inside is cooling down air will come inside because of the under-pressure and water drops can condense inside at the surface.

    • @michelstempin6216
      @michelstempin6216 Месяц назад +2

      @@mikropower01 Yes, usually conformal coating is for PCB protection in hot & humid areas (tropical), but this does not make the PCB waterproof, especially when when condensing. One way to make it completely waterproof is to plunge the PCB in... oil! It will prevent water ingress, this is a technique used in deep sea sensors.

    • @lo2740
      @lo2740 21 день назад

      @@mikropower01 "this conformal coating" lol, there is tens of brands and at least 4 different types, how can you claim you use "this conformal coating"? it makes no sense.

    • @lo2740
      @lo2740 21 день назад

      @@michelstempin6216 or just dip in in epoxy potting compound, one or more layers.

  • @igorrizvic6008
    @igorrizvic6008 Месяц назад +1

    If you consider the ground as the little antennas then int can be controlled by the artilery from a distance by the same device....froma mobile station or radar detection of drones...

  • @SeregaTikhonov
    @SeregaTikhonov Месяц назад +1

    Там действительно необходимо усилие в 200кг?

    • @user-qm7ii8fq9e
      @user-qm7ii8fq9e Месяц назад

      Не усилие а момент 200 кг*см, причем уже в состоянии клина. Рычаг сантиметров 10, значит рабочее усилие не более 10 кг.

  • @satipsrl5207
    @satipsrl5207 Месяц назад

    Merci beaucoup Michel ....le schèma est superbe exclus le systeme hall de comutation ...je pense quils ont decide comme ça pour eviter des algorithmes de commutation bases sur la force contrelectromotrice des bobines stator ou ça compliquerait le programme avec un sac d'interrupts..

    • @lelabodemichel5162
      @lelabodemichel5162  Месяц назад

      Je n'ai pas été voir dans le moteur, mais en général ce sont des capteurs à effet Hall qui sont utilisés dans les moteurs brushless. Le schéma ne montre pas les capteurs dans leurs positions réelles, le schéma du moteur est symbolique.

    • @cogoid
      @cogoid Месяц назад

      Pour un servomoteur, il est essentiel de pouvoir contrôler le couple même lorsque le rotor du moteur ne tourne pas ou tourne si lentement que la force électromotrice ne peut pas être mesurée de manière fiable. Généralement, cela nécessite d'avoir le capteur d'orientation du rotor.

    • @satipsrl5207
      @satipsrl5207 Месяц назад

      aujourdhui existent des capteurs magnetiques avec un resolution de 12000 imp. x rev vec canaux a b et z , ou' les commutations uvw sont fournies egalment par des sorties separees , ils peuvent utiliser ce chip , comme ça ils evitent de monter les hall et l'incremental sur l'arbre de sortie ... moi de ma part j'utilise le aeae9955 pour des experiences sur un sewrvo industriel

    • @tn1509
      @tn1509 Месяц назад

      Brushless motors ESC don't use hall sensors for about 20 years. Switching technology using low resistance mosfets is widely used for 28 years

    • @cogoid
      @cogoid Месяц назад +2

      @@tn1509 ESCs for small remotely controlled drones and airplanes do not need sensors, because the propellers spin at high rpm, and it is easy to estimate the orientation of the rotor by measuring the voltage induced in the coils by the magnets. But if you look at the brushless motors in industrial robots, every motor will have hall sensors. Because they have to hold high torque at low or zero rpm, when the generated back-EFM voltages are so low that they cannot be reliably measured. Lots of other applications have the same requirements.

  • @SolarMinerPH
    @SolarMinerPH Месяц назад +1

    seems like an expensive rc servo usually used for expensive rc models

  • @user-qf6yt3id3w
    @user-qf6yt3id3w Месяц назад +14

    I wonder why they build their own servos? Is it because they need more torque than a commercial one? Also it's interesting they need a microcontroller from ST and an opto-isolator from Toshiba both of which are or soon will be sanctioned by the US and prevented from shipping to Iran. Most of the rest of the semiconductors are from Chinese suppliers, i.e. inside the Russia/China/Iran bloc. Of course it's possible they're confident in their ability to get hold of parts from ST and Toshiba and/or have a warehouse full of them. The linear regulators also seem a bit low tech/inefficient compared to switch mode but maybe it doesn't matter. The whole thing does seem like it would be pretty cheap and reliable. And they can always do a version without the Western bloc parts if they run low. E.g. a Chinese RISC-V or unlicensed ARM controller fabbed in China.

    • @yngndrw.
      @yngndrw. Месяц назад +2

      I suspect it's designed specifically around the parts they have stored over the years. It's also possible that some of the parts are knock-offs. Either way, it's actually quite a nice design - It would be interesting to see if the gearbox is well-machined.

    • @scott_aero3915
      @scott_aero3915 Месяц назад +9

      They don't - I suspect that these are backdoor from the main prime OEM manufacturer - its a HiTec industrial servo.

    • @user-qf6yt3id3w
      @user-qf6yt3id3w Месяц назад +2

      @@scott_aero3915 That makes more sense actually.

    • @holoduke51a
      @holoduke51a Месяц назад +2

      Stm32 chips are produced in masses in China. Maybe the most produced chip at the moment. You can find in light bulbs, washing machines and even watches, smart solder irons, toys and much more. Of course they are not officially licenced from stm and are clones. But the chips are simple and China has plenty of capable chip machines to make these.

    • @volvo245
      @volvo245 Месяц назад

      US can't stop Iran from having stuff they really want. Iranians have kept their f-14 operational by literally buying components directly from US.

  • @miketango244
    @miketango244 17 дней назад +1

    hitec servo from South Korea

  • @tHaH4x0r
    @tHaH4x0r Месяц назад +2

    I am surprised that they can get away with using hall sensors for motorfeedback only, I guess because of the relatively high gear ratio in the servo. Still, you'd guess that a magnetic encoder as an absolute position sensor is just as expensive, but enables you to use sinusoidal commutation.

    • @granatnick
      @granatnick Месяц назад +2

      No they don't. Hall sensors are used only for BLDC sensing (no FOC control). A separate incremental sensor (seen at 2:34) is likely fixed to the output shaft. The uC runs two seperate control functions: for the BLDC itself (likely only the speed control), while the other converts input signal PWM to output shaft absolute position. There is no index sensor, nor any EEPROM memory, so i guess the motor calibrates itself at each power cycle by swinging the shaft to the both extremes and calculates the input scaling factor.

    • @lo2740
      @lo2740 21 день назад

      I guess you did not paid attention nor checked the schematic. The hall sensors are for bldc, the servo shaft is conencted to a position sensor, which can be a specific type of potentiometers (with polymer track) or some kind of grey code absolute position sensor, which seems to be the case here.

    • @tHaH4x0r
      @tHaH4x0r 21 день назад +1

      @@lo2740 I did pay attention. What you suppose is a position sensor is not connected straight on the output of the BLDC, rather after a drive train. If that encoder was used for commutation, it would not be mounted after the drive train, as you lose a lot of resolution required to measure the electrical angle of the motor. In this case, it is likely only used in the outer position control loop of the servo.
      Perhaps Michel could hook the scope up to the BLDC wires, it would very quickly show whether it is using some form of sinusoidal commutation, or just using simple block commutation.
      If it is a gray code absolute position sensor it would be absolutely worthless, as (if you paid attention to the schematic) it only has 2 bits worth of position data (yellow and white wire). Rather I suspect it is some kind of I2C device, or maybe SSI (as you'd only need a clock and data signal for that).
      Or it could be a regular velocity encoder (quadrature) and not an absolute encoder at all. Only Michel would be able to shed more light on the specifics of that, by hooking the scope up to those wires.

  • @b.w.oostdam8875
    @b.w.oostdam8875 8 дней назад

    In europe this unit would cost a considerable amount of money in the RC community..

  • @ferosofranek8817
    @ferosofranek8817 Месяц назад +4

    Why some of commenters think this is copy of some Hitec servo? Servomotor like this is such primitive technology, even average student of electronics engineering is capable to develop and construct such device. Only question is - why would he do that, if such servo is already developed and constructed in china (using chinese parts) and can be bought from china for few euro/dollars 😀

    • @lo2740
      @lo2740 21 день назад +1

      well, it takes a company with a few experienced engineer to desing and most important produce consistently these servos, you do not seem to realize what it takes, I do because i am an electronics enginer for a shenzhen company an i append to have made a custom servo for one of our clients, sure, the PCB and the firmware are not a big deal, but there is a lot more that goes into actually designing such servo exspecially when it comes to efficient production, assembly, procurement, cost etc.
      There is no question that these servos are very high quality built, of course the price asked by hitech is outrageous and typical of an US (scam) company, but the price asked by the shenzhen factory is actually a bit low for the product quanlity (around 40USD). My educated opinion is that this copy is better than th hitech, even not considering the price difference, that PCB is well designed, the parts well chosen (i also use SGM part, in particular OPA, DCDC, an audio PA) and the build quality is excellent, we havent seen the gearbox but i know it is all steel gears and ball bearing on the main shaft.

    • @ferosofranek8817
      @ferosofranek8817 19 дней назад

      @@lo2740 You are right, if you want to do it properly and sell it to someone. But I meant only technology itself - it is essentially motor control with some feedback. Very simple to create, that's my point. If the video was about, for example inertial navigation system, or some radar system, I don't say a word.

    • @cogoid
      @cogoid 19 дней назад

      @@lo2740 People think it is Hitec because from the outside it looks 100% like one of the Hitec's models. But the inside components are not the same as in Hitec servo, so it is just an external semblance.

  • @pablogeez
    @pablogeez Месяц назад

    HS-1100WP with the HS-1005SGT case

    • @tn1509
      @tn1509 Месяц назад +2

      It's a copy of the HS100. The original Hitec PCB is different. There are many sources for this kind of servos in AliExpress :)

    • @monsieur3d985
      @monsieur3d985 Месяц назад

      Ces drones sont pilotés par un logiciel de navigation autonome, basé sur une centrale inertielle avec un recalage GNSS.

    • @lo2740
      @lo2740 21 день назад +2

      this is not the hitech, at 400USD (whic his jsut the usual american scam) it is a clone, probably better than the original, sold for the actual decent price of around 40usd.

  • @piotrr5439
    @piotrr5439 Месяц назад

    The wires look so thin. Anyone?

    • @lo2740
      @lo2740 21 день назад

      no, at 12V (presumably) this servo will not require a lot of current, i would say the wire gauge is ok for a relatively short harness.

  • @assafweiss8078
    @assafweiss8078 11 часов назад

    Standard industrial grade servo motor

  • @Cyrob-org
    @Cyrob-org Месяц назад +1

    Hello, super vidéo, un servo comme ça pour 1 € ! je suis preneur c'est où ?

    • @lelabodemichel5162
      @lelabodemichel5162  Месяц назад +2

      Je l'ai acheté sur Ebay à un vendeur situé en Ukraine avec 1€ prix de départ et personne n'a surenchéri.

  • @Yulian.Mladenov
    @Yulian.Mladenov Месяц назад

    😮How You get that.Very interesting,continue,great videos.But be carefull with this information.

    • @lo2740
      @lo2740 21 день назад

      there is nothing to be careful about, this is a hobby servo that anyone can purcahse there is nothign secret about it, that is literally how all big servos are designed.

    • @Yulian.Mladenov
      @Yulian.Mladenov 21 день назад

      @@lo2740 I mean to be carefull with all that what is doing,especially the rocket videos.Not exactlly with this servo.😀

  • @user-wr9le9tx8i
    @user-wr9le9tx8i Месяц назад +2

    Travail incroyable ! Merci pour votre travail acharné! De tels drones kamikaze finissent souvent dans des maisons ukrainiennes paisibles sans être abattus. La guerre électronique ne les affecte pas ; il est difficile de brouiller les communications par satellite. Une arme efficace. Nous attendons plus d'avis sur des équipements similaires. Très intéressant. Viva la France, Gloire à l'Ukraine

    • @maxiteful
      @maxiteful Месяц назад

      Je me demande comment la France s'est comportée depuis 1917 après l'assassinat de Nicolas II et tous les événements ultérieurs au cours desquels, sous la politique des pédérastes, la France a perdu presque toute influence et l'Angleterre, au contraire, a gagné ? Est-ce cool de vivre parmi les migrants et de crier « Gloire à l’Ukraine » alors que les homosexuels dominent ? Sérieusement? Est-ce là le point culminant du grand peuple français ?

    • @maxiteful
      @maxiteful Месяц назад

      Je me demande comment la France s'est comportée depuis 1917 après l'assassinat de Nicolas II et tous les événements ultérieurs au cours desquels, sous la politique des pédrastes, la France a perdu presque toute influence et l'Angleterre, au contraire, a gagné ? Est-ce cool de vivre parmi les migrants et de crier « Gloire à l’Ukraine » alors que les pédrastes dominent ? Sérieusement? Est-ce là le point culminant du grand peuple français ?

  • @mototola86
    @mototola86 Месяц назад +1

    You got it dead cheap if it works😂

  • @robertmonroe9728
    @robertmonroe9728 Месяц назад +3

    Who would sell anything for 1 euro? Make a gift - possible, but selling... i would not even go to post office to ship it for 1 euro

    • @lelabodemichel5162
      @lelabodemichel5162  Месяц назад +3

      I bought this item on Ebay, this was the starting price and probably the seller expected more than one bidder.

    • @kerozin520
      @kerozin520 Месяц назад +2

      People use shipping price as reserve.

    • @lo2740
      @lo2740 21 день назад

      well, that is how auctions without reserve price works, if there is no buyer and the seller did not set a reserve price, they have no choice than ship it anyway. As someone else marked, usually they inflate the shipping price to compensate.

  • @PARS556
    @PARS556 Месяц назад

    شاهد ۱۳۱ ایرانی .

  • @RattiDave
    @RattiDave Месяц назад

    Proper pronunciation is Ka-mi-KAH-zee, emphasis on the third syllable …

  • @freedomisfood6966
    @freedomisfood6966 Месяц назад

    The drops is made by England university and European.that say human right don't want isalamic regim gone because have benefit to them.

  • @peterkull8354
    @peterkull8354 Месяц назад

    It is a bloody Hitec Servo from Korea

    • @aerialbugsmasher
      @aerialbugsmasher Месяц назад +2

      No, it's a clone. These are listed in alibaba

  • @chadx8269
    @chadx8269 Месяц назад

    copy of a Volz servo.

  • @mattwietlispach7606
    @mattwietlispach7606 Месяц назад +6

    This was truly a fascinating reverse-engineering effort for something designed to blow itself up. None of the parts appeared to meet Western requirements for military components. It really didn't seem "mil-spec" at all. It looks like the sanctions are working and if this is the highest level of components they can get, I truly fear the same substandard parts are used in something like a long range high-yield missile. Even the electronics in the the simplest missiles in the West have to be top notch, tested to death and mounted to housings looking like true engineering artwork. I guess if this cheap junk works, it's "good enough" for Iran. I think the drones that civilians can buy are better quality than what I saw you take apart. I really enjoyed seeing this cheaply designed and built war relic come to life. VERY nice schematics! They don't even care enough to sand off the top of the semiconductors to remove their markings. Could have been a school project for teenagers that got elevated to a workable state.

    • @SurG30n
      @SurG30n Месяц назад +7

      Look on watch happens in Ukraina PFP dron cost 2 x 700 € destroy one tank for 3000000. € . War must be conducted on a budget, otherwise you will not win against your opponent.

    • @anthonycbudd
      @anthonycbudd Месяц назад

      You: “western sanctions are working”
      video: **shows basic but well engineered servo motor which is currently being used in drones in multiple conflicts across the worlds as you read this.
      Asside from the mil spec stamp on ICs, (which evidently doesn’t matter that much) the sanctions clearly doing nothing stop Iran producing effective drones…

    • @mattwietlispach7606
      @mattwietlispach7606 Месяц назад

      @@SurG30n, I don't think war like this has a budget. Russia is a huge country with massive resources, and probably an unlimited war budget. The United States has massive supplies of advanced weapons and have already sent billions of dollars worth to Ukraine. As long as the US provides Ukraine with limitless amounts of weapons, and Russia keeps sending endless men and weapons into Ukraine, the Ukrainians wind up suffering the most. Hate has no budget. When all the expensive advanced weapons are used up, both sides will kill each other with knives and stones. The whole war is a terrible waste of lives on both sides. Lack of money will not stop the fighting. Even though Western weapons cost a fortune, they are incredibly reliable and accurate.

    • @poptartmcjelly7054
      @poptartmcjelly7054 Месяц назад +8

      These are the highest end servos you can get, they're HiTec's industrial line and cost some 400 bucks a pop.
      Also what is the point of making disposable stuff expensive? You just overload yourself with needless expenses and logistics.
      Ever ask yourself why our assault rifles don't have laser guided bullets? I mean imagine how high tech and militarily advanced this would be!
      Not to mention how quickly it would drive your military into bankruptcy.

    • @mattwietlispach7606
      @mattwietlispach7606 Месяц назад +5

      @@poptartmcjelly7054 I think it comes down to the design philosophies of the "Cold War" era. The US concentrated on cutting edge technology which is incredibly expensive. This makes something like a tactical fighter jet, filled with complex high tech systems, too expensive to make in great numbers. The USSR, always very behind Western technology, had another approach. Instead of making the equivalent of US "Rolex" watch fighters, their approach was to make far simpler "Timex" watch aircraft that did not have the level of technical sophistication but were simple and very rugged. That meant that a lot more of the USSR aircraft could be constructed for far less money. So, the answer to the Western's complex, high cost and high maintenance fighters, was to have higher numbers of simpler fighters made possible by far less cost per aircraft. In any case, it appears that human history shows us that we have always put our best creativity and resources into weapons to kill each other. From arrows and spears thousands of years ago, which took a lot of time and craftsmanship to fabricate at that time, to an F-22 air superiority fighter that has "Fire and forget" missiles launched at targets many miles from the aircraft. Now with AI coming into focus, those "fire and forget" missiles will probably be the first thing AI really controls. Not a self-aware "Terminator" robot type weapon, but a weapon that can recognize a place, or even a person, and be fired from hundreds of miles away. This is all sad. I love the craftsmanship of the latest military electronics, but, once again, we put our best efforts into our weapons. None of this helps the Ukrainians who are stuck in the hell of war.

  • @canberradogfarts
    @canberradogfarts Месяц назад

    PLEASE tell you spent more time dumping the code on the controller.
    THAT IS WHERE THE MEANINGFUL FORENSIC STUDY LIES!!!

  • @hinz1
    @hinz1 Месяц назад

    Until someone builds a complete RC plane with free parts, salvaged from Ukraine ;-)

  • @Blockrocko
    @Blockrocko Месяц назад

    Such expensive components on a kamikaze drone... I don't know man, even though I'm an engineer and I understand military standards, this seems a bit overkill.

    • @lo2740
      @lo2740 21 день назад

      This servo is hobby grade and sold for few tens of dollars, iranians sell their "drones" 20 to 50K USD, so i guess they can afford to use decent hobby servo at 40USD, lol. We can see the wire harness and general built are not of the highest quality, And the engine is an indian moped engine. So, i dont think the total cost is much for this pityfull "product".

    • @Blockrocko
      @Blockrocko 21 день назад

      @@lo2740 Actually this is a 500USD servo mounted to a very expensive carbon fiber honeycomb. Can't say anything about the engine as it's not in the video, but for something of this size, it doesn't need a servo that big, and there is no reason for the structure to be made using the aforementioned composite. It's just a waste on the design and manufacturing side.

  • @user-hx4wr3gu7o
    @user-hx4wr3gu7o Месяц назад +1

    Неплохое лекарство для украины

    • @xandervk2371
      @xandervk2371 6 дней назад

      You will taste your own medicine. It always happens.

  • @RobertF-wc5jh
    @RobertF-wc5jh Месяц назад

    En Français serait plus compréhensible qu’en Anglais baraguiné.

    • @lo2740
      @lo2740 21 день назад

      🤣 il a +5 pour l'effort.

  • @testboga5991
    @testboga5991 Месяц назад

    Way too much Western stuff makes it to Russia and Iran. It's a Korean commercial servo. Also the connectors must be stopped.

    • @hinz1
      @hinz1 Месяц назад +3

      That is 100% china clone, they can make electronics too, and even cheaper, than the "Western stuff "....

    • @BertoldVdb
      @BertoldVdb Месяц назад +4

      That connector exists domestically made in Russia.

    • @amogusenjoyer
      @amogusenjoyer Месяц назад +1

      Korea is in the west now? Also this is almost certainly a clone, either Iranian or Chinese. If anything China doesn't need western parts for drones, they have a fully domestic industry now (with domestic parts and research). Obviously it was bankrolled in huge part by western cash since Chinese drones are basically dominant in the west too but that's another story

    • @interhaker
      @interhaker 28 дней назад +2

      the chinese are making high quality cheap stuff
      get out of your bubble

    • @lo2740
      @lo2740 21 день назад +2

      @@hinz1 it is not "clone" they remade a PCB wit an ST MCU, which the hitech doesnt use at all. THis PCB is better designed that the HItech and the servo quality is also better. And contrary to hitech which literally scames theri customers at 400USD a piece, this one is sold 40USD, which is even a bit low considering the product quality, it is below fair price. To me the fair price should be 50usd.

  • @yourfahad81
    @yourfahad81 Месяц назад +2

    Stop fooling others....its just 25Kg torque servo...its available online

    • @mishaisspeed4081
      @mishaisspeed4081 Месяц назад +1

      Lmao, I was thinking that the entire time 😂

  • @aivill666
    @aivill666 Месяц назад +3

    Гераньку испортили (

    • @SeregaTikhonov
      @SeregaTikhonov Месяц назад +5

      Не беспокойся. Она выполнила своё предназначение.

    • @keytron888
      @keytron888 Месяц назад +1

      )))))))))))

    • @deaddycruel
      @deaddycruel Месяц назад +6

      @@SeregaTikhonov ждем когда к тебе что-то подообное прилетит и выполнит свео предназначение

    • @SeregaTikhonov
      @SeregaTikhonov Месяц назад +2

      @@deaddycruel , мир на пороге третьей мировой. Обязательно прилетит, всем прилетит. И тебе, и мне.

    • @sergeysydorov5410
      @sergeysydorov5410 Месяц назад

      не так.
      это геранька испортила.
      )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

  • @psevdonim85
    @psevdonim85 Месяц назад +1

    🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺👍

  • @viktorkropolin1866
    @viktorkropolin1866 Месяц назад

    Откровенмя от старого мусорщика из украинской свалки...
    Как маленький ребёнрк удивляется разного рода механическим деталям и конструкциям.
    Очевидно он живёт за счёт этого мусора, или валяет дурака...

  • @sergeysydorov5410
    @sergeysydorov5410 Месяц назад +3

    отличная Геранька!

  • @FB-gm6el
    @FB-gm6el 3 дня назад

    so overengineered for a suicide machine ...the fasteners, the precision-milled parts...overkill³