Model Railroad Signals Made Simple Part 1

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  • Опубликовано: 13 июл 2024
  • I recently started installing the Atlas signal system so in this two-part series we start by looking at three different types of signal systems, the ones that use Digtrax LocoNet, an infrared based system by Logic Rail, and the new Atlas system. We will be implementing the latter, and in part 2 we will walk through a standard installation, which is pretty...simple. We also cover some necessary concepts in part 1. Part 2 will follow about 1 week after.

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  • @aniburns329
    @aniburns329 3 месяца назад

    Love the Mount Rushmore!!

  • @dabadapple1261
    @dabadapple1261 4 года назад +7

    I'm on Standby for Part 2 I have the Atlas system but wasn't ready to try and tackle that project till now!! Excellent video

  • @UPES2018
    @UPES2018 4 года назад +2

    Those Southern Pacific F7 "black widow" A/B units pulling that "Daylight" was amazing! Can't wait for part 2!!

  • @ThruAWiderLens
    @ThruAWiderLens 4 года назад +2

    ". . . or talked into it by your friends." I love that! Very informative video, and an outstanding layout!

  • @lthgamingalternate9310
    @lthgamingalternate9310 4 года назад +2

    Very awesome and informative video. I am excited to see part 2 when you produce it. I am a ways from Signaling and blocks etc. However, I am one who likes to plan ahead and know whats coming!

  • @theknickerbocker5808
    @theknickerbocker5808 Год назад +1

    If I may correct a few things about signals. If we are doing this prototypicaly. Signal aspects are read as following
    Top aspect= normal speed. example
    Green MAS
    Yellow Approach
    Red Stop
    Middle aspect= Medium Speed
    Bottom aspect= Slow Speed
    In your example of a yellow over green signal, giving it as a Diverging Clear is incorrect. This signal would be a Approach Diverging.
    Diverging Clear would be Red over Green.
    Thought this would help. If you have any questions on signals and their meanings I can try to help have been doing it for a living over 20 years

  • @ewoodrailway
    @ewoodrailway 4 года назад +2

    Superb video, I've subbed

  • @MrBillCNW
    @MrBillCNW 3 года назад

    Thank you for sharing a very informative video

  • @johnschultz9023
    @johnschultz9023 Год назад

    I use relay logic and my own detection circuits. A lot cheaper and in conjunction with the switch machines, can display any and all aspects needed for the track arrangement and conditions.

  • @UP4013BB
    @UP4013BB 7 месяцев назад

    I used a relay that I hooked up to the double head signal. Green was on top red on the bottom. When switch was thrown the signal heads would change color to indicate that the train either goes straight or enters the switch.

  • @davidcurtis5398
    @davidcurtis5398 2 года назад

    Love the wiring shot. Very funny, but kinda true... My problem is that I have no power going through the track at all. All of my engines are battery powered. A company called Model Train Technology has a system I am looking at.

  • @jimamtrak
    @jimamtrak Год назад

    Very nice. Liked option of Iowa's block detector (I've installed mostly BD20's). Somewhat surprisingly, for an NCE user like me, you didn't mention NCE Light-its, an AIU for your Block & turnout Detection and JMRI. LCC (an NMRA standard) is the gold standard of signalling could be mentioned quickly too.

  • @rjl110919581
    @rjl110919581 3 года назад

    thank you for share detail video as point lot there

  • @medwaymodelrailway7129
    @medwaymodelrailway7129 3 года назад

    Like video."thumbs up from me".Hope there more

  • @Trainmaster909
    @Trainmaster909 2 года назад

    If you have an ESU System (or the Piko Cab Control), you can use an LNet converter and use LocoNet without a separate system.

  • @redwoodcityintheuknscalera7179
    @redwoodcityintheuknscalera7179 3 года назад +1

    or you could go the arduino route with 3 aspect block signals like i have signals were 3 uk pounds each sensors were 1 uk pound arduino nano boards were 3.57 or something like that a 5volt supply was 5.00 pounds total cost for 4 tracks with several signals on them less than 130 uk pounds including cabling

  • @andrewgriffiths1707
    @andrewgriffiths1707 2 года назад

    Sounds good but expensive. When all you need is a block detector, plus two relays for each 3 aspect signal. The preassembled relays boards plus the detectors and signals that I use on my layout, all come from an online site.

    • @areakt
      @areakt 2 года назад

      Sounds fascinatingly simple and cheap. You should make a RUclips video about it and show us step by step how to setup a block section. Always on the lookout for an easier cost effective solution.

    • @andrewgriffiths1707
      @andrewgriffiths1707 2 года назад

      @@areakt Hello from the other side of the pond. I will see what I can do. I still have some signals that need installing, so it may be possible.

    • @jovetj
      @jovetj 6 месяцев назад

      Yep. I haven't been in model railroading in a while. But if I were going to do it today, I would want to keep things as prototypical as I could muster. DCC is a must. Current detection is a must, as well as a resistor on a "B" axle of each piece of unpowered rolling stock. Each control point would require a dedicated detector for the interlocking itself. I would also carve up the signal blocks with extra detector sections as needed for determining direction of travel (for tumbledown) and/or for grade crossing circuits. I would either take all of the detector outputs and shove them into a computer, or design hard-coded essentially relay logic for the signal aspects. "Manual" and "power" switches also need detected by the signal system.

  • @msmrrc-midsouthmodelrailro7075
    @msmrrc-midsouthmodelrailro7075 4 года назад +1

    What about using a Chubb system for CTC/ABS signal operations?

  • @wolfgang2007aaaaaaaa
    @wolfgang2007aaaaaaaa 4 месяца назад

    Made simple. ok.

  • @Stussmeister
    @Stussmeister 3 года назад +1

    A very nice video. I'm planning on expanding my current 4 x 8 layout (controlled by EZ Command DCC) to a 5 x 10 layout with two reversing loops, industry sidings, and a yard. Given the number of switches I'll likely have, I thought it would be wise to install signals, and thought the Atlas system might be the easiest one to use. Would you recommend this system for a layout of such a size?

    • @areakt
      @areakt 3 года назад +2

      Thanks glad you enjoyed it! Yes the atlas system would be good choice for your layout. Use it to protect your reverse loops and any sidings you have with your main. You probably don’t need to signal your industrial spurs though. Hope that helps!

    • @Stussmeister
      @Stussmeister 3 года назад +2

      @@areakt Thank you again :). I'm still very much a novice when it comes to model railroading, though I think the only sidings I'll have on my main line are a passing siding for one station and a spur track that goes from the main into the yard. Given that trains will likely be both going into and coming out of the yard, I'm thinking I should install two signals (facing in opposite directions) for incoming and departing trains.

  • @floridian2023
    @floridian2023 3 года назад

    W.O.W.

  • @tomthetank924
    @tomthetank924 8 месяцев назад

    Do you know what voltage the atlas boards send out? Have some signals but not sure how they'll work. Thanks tom

  • @j.harryfeldman1776
    @j.harryfeldman1776 4 месяца назад

    Has anyone taken a look at the newer signal system by Model Train Technology? It looks very good to me.

  • @mack042
    @mack042 3 года назад

    great video i have mrc system about to tackle the signal project what do you suggest thanks

    • @modeltrains1507
      @modeltrains1507  3 года назад

      Atlas will work fine with MRC. I would not do Digitrax because you would need to buy a new Digitrax System to run in tandem with your MRC. Infrared would be OK too.

  • @AbelG8781
    @AbelG8781 4 года назад +1

    Is that Joseph at the end????

  • @daveblaedow8419
    @daveblaedow8419 4 года назад

    What would you suggest I do if I had digitrax on a small layered what is still be cost-effective to go with digitrax or with the atlas?

    • @areakt
      @areakt 4 года назад

      Yeah if you are comfortable with loconet already it should be competitive from an economic standpoint. According to the documentation the SE8C has built in resistors but be sure to check you’ve got the right resistance for your signals.

  • @farmerdave7965
    @farmerdave7965 4 года назад

    Where did you get the California cars ?

  • @michaelmorgan7893
    @michaelmorgan7893 Год назад

    I understand the Atlas system is expensive because one has to purchase a control board for each head. But I hear it will work with straight DC. I don't have DCC or the inclination to get into DCC, and since most manufacturers are getting away from DC, will your system work for DC?

    • @areakt
      @areakt Год назад

      Yea it will work for DC only provided the block to be detected had a train moving through it. A stopped train with the power off will not be detected.

  • @PacificNorthwestRailfanner
    @PacificNorthwestRailfanner 2 года назад

    Can you use HO scale Details West signals on the Atlas signal system?

    • @areakt
      @areakt 2 года назад

      Yea you can use any signal provided you splice it’s wires into one of their connectors. Pretty easy to do once you’ve identified which wires you have and if it’s common anode or cathode.

  • @justinc4424
    @justinc4424 3 года назад

    I dont need block detectors because theres a block build in the atlas signal control board

    • @areakt
      @areakt 3 года назад +2

      While the atlas board will “detect” when its sent an occupancy signal and change the aspect accordingly it does not have a way to actually detect a change in voltage across the rails or an infrared sensor itself. For that it still needs an external detector.

  • @michaelplumb298
    @michaelplumb298 3 года назад

    Can atlas signals work without using dcc

    • @areakt
      @areakt 3 года назад

      If you used infrared detectors it would work fine. But using track voltage detectors it would always display red signals since dc voltage would be off until you switch on the block for the train to enter. Might be some other workarounds but I’d go with the photovoltaic or infrared detectors for DC. Or better switch to DCC. Good luck!

  • @jovetj
    @jovetj 6 месяцев назад

    1:10 There is no such thing as a "target signal" ... this is unfortunately-persistent misnomer. In North America (and Canada) these are the common and historically-common designs of signals:
    - Lower-quadrant semaphore - only displays two aspects per arm.
    - Upper-quadrant semaphore - displays up to three aspects per arm.
    - Colorlight - discrete lens per aspect; can be arranged vertically, horizontally, or triangularly. These are often called "Style D", "Style E" and "Style G" based on prototypical catalog descriptions.
    - Searchlight - one lens for multiple aspects, effected with a movable vane mechanism that places a colored roundel in the light path. Max of three aspects. Technically these are a specialized form of colorlight signal.
    - Unilens - Like searchlights but effected by fiber optics with dedicated internal lamps. Up to 4 aspects. Today can now be done better with LEDs.
    - Position-Light - Mimic upper-quadrant semaphore arm positions with rows (chains) of 3 (initially 4) lamps. Aspects typically "fog penetrating yellow" colored. (Pennsylvania Railroad)
    - Color-Position-Light - One central head with up to 4 pairs of colored lamps that mimic semaphore arm positions; this head indicates block state. Surrounded by up to 6 marker lamps to indicate speed requirements. (Baltimore and Ohio Railroad)
    - Position-Color-Light - Special colorized version of Position-Light signals that don't use the central pivot lamp, with all the other lamp aspects colored to mimic upper-quadrant semaphore night colors. (Amtrak)