Replicating my Synology to my Brother's House
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I needed a way to protect my data from theft, fire, or hardware failure. In order to do that I worked with my brother David (The 8-Bit Guy), to place a replicated Synology at his house. This keeps a complete copy of all of my data at a remote location!
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I needed a way to replicate my data offsite for backups. So my brother and I came up with a solution to replicate my Synology over our VPN. It works great!
I have a Dell PowerEdge r720xd. It’s currently running FreeNas, but I’m thinking about installing Xpenology. Do you have any recommendations on a NAS operating system?
Well, obviously I prefer Synology products, so Synology. :-P
TheGeekPub Lol. I just wanted to know if you had experience with other Operating Systems
I do. I've used just about all of them. But I landed on Synology a few years ago and just stuck with it.
TheGeekPub Thanks. I own a DS216j, but it’s waaay too underpowered for my needs.
You did it all wrong!
Of course I did!
Instructions unclear. My data is in Peru now . 😅😅
@@TheGeekPub Ever notice your brother's videos run without ad interruptions? ;-)
Both of our channels are monetized. Not sure what you mean?
@@TheGeekPub I can watch his videos and never be interrupted by an ad. Your videos are interrupted.
I’m ashamed to have recognized your brother not by his face but by his network setup & labeling.
Yeah same 😂
Oh man, i didn't realize 8-Bit Guy is your brother! Now i can see the resemblance! This is just awesome :)
The voice, the gestures, you’re so clearly brothers 👍🏻
As sb who's not American or even a native English language speaker, I do find speech resemblances, but don't know how much of that is down to the fact they're brothers, or simply how the accent in the Texas area they live in sounds like.
Oh shit!
Also just realized his brother backs up HIS synology to his mother's place which is next door (there's a video that mentions that).
This is a really redundant family :)
I just watch 8 bit guys latest video from a few days ago, I didn't even know he had a brother let alone one with a RUclips channel so here I am
Somehow I found the 8-bit-guy first. Suprised to find the family relationship after a random google online for this subject. Awesome to see a couple brothers network nerding out together. Cheers!
Brand new to the NAS community. Just got my local backup setup today. Now I'm trying to understand the offsite backup options and your video was a tremendous help...thank you!
For next April Fools you and your brother should each do an episode on the other's channel as your brother and see how long till people realize it's not the normal host. You don't look identical but you sound very close to each other
I'm curious why use the Snapshot Replication service vs Hyper Backup or Rsync? I'm working on setting up something like this and am curious on why you made your choices.
Hyper Backup does not allow you to offsite backup your Active Backup for VM's or Physical machine images.
9:50 I just realized that David is still using that UPS that he made a video on omg. That's a throwback
Will you return the favor and host his data?
He replicates to another house already. But of course I would! :-)
TheGeekPub Oh I forgot about that. I think he mentioned this in his latest network tour video!
I went a different route for my off-site personal storage... took a decommissioned Windows PC using the on-board raid to create 4TB of space. I used Filezilla server with FTP over TLS to get data to/from it... then I used SyncBack to do the heavy lifting of making sure my data is mirrored between the two sites. Crude? Maybe. Effective? Definitely... and cost me nothing but time.
Cool idea!
Great effective low cost idea
Wouldn’t that draw more power? More power consumption on a long term base....
I love that you used a song from David's videos when he was on camera.
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Your NAS is bigger than your brothers... @9:55
So are other things. :-P
Damn the usable capacity for that raid amaze me, it just put aside almost an entire hdd.
well yeah, that's what RAID does
Another good reason to send at 3:00 AM is that there will be less internet traffic at that time. Some ISPs throttle people during peak hours, even if they don't admit it.
I just realized that your brother is the 8-Bit Guy. hahahah. Awesome
Most Ransomewares don't get activated immediately because of this reason. So yeah... Great video really liked the vibe
Neat- looking forward to watching your other videos. But I wouldn’t have chosen RAID 5- with gigantic 14TB drives, in the event of a drive failure there will be very very long rebuild times and a non-trivial likelihood of unrecoverable read errors during that rebuild, which would toast your array. Better to use RAID 10 for your four drives. Yes you only get 50% usable capacity rather than 75%, but your data will be much safer, even considering you have a remote backup.
So. It's a backup already.
Thanks for making this video... this is something I have been thinking about doing for some time... after watching this I decided to start talking to my buddy about dropping a box in his basement. I can partition some space for him to use so he gets a benefit and I get offsite storage! The VPN part may not be as easy though.
You both have the same voice. Today I was watching my first video on your channel and for a moment I was very confused.
Who here didn't know that 8bit Guy had a brother! Sub'd.
This really was informative 🔥👍
Holup. 8 bit guy is your bro?!
Well hell, now that I know it it's obvious.
I have a 20+ TB unraid i7 server and I thought it was overkill! I have just setup a new openmediaserver on an old machine to replicate my photos on to my workshop that sits at the end of my garden and I felt an uber geek! Now I see your setup and mine is nothing LOL. Keep up the great content and thank you for the great video!
Very informative, thanks!
Hi Mike! What music do you use during the scenes where you are tinkering? It fees like an Amiga 500 music.
It’s funny when you go to David’s house the soundtrack changes to Anders Jensen’s music :)
You trusted your Brother to touch your tech? LOL.
Very informative video. I do have one question though. Can you please specify the details of how you set up a "service account" specifically for Snapshot replication? I assumed this would be listed under application permissions for User but I don't see that. Thanks in advance!
I still cannot believe that he is your brother!
@@mayshack Damn. All of our secrets are out.
Windows 10 powered off only on when you need it, hopefully not needed in a hurry. Do not know the performance of the NAS but i had an older PC that was not used regularly and every time it was used, Windows Update and Defender scan. Was a pain even after upgrade to SSD, CPU was pegged to 100% for 10-15 Minutes.
Thanks for the great very useful video. As to the 3:00am timing, I understand the daytime bandwidth reason. But as to the ransomware, doesn't the Snapshots themselves [and also any old fashioned HyperBack] fully protect from the ransomware. Can you clarify that please? Thanks for words of wisdom. - Eric ZORK Alan & Sweetie [ Professional Poets & Bed Vloggers ]
If you nas get hacked, the hacker also has the credentails of the remote nas -/-
Not the case. I use a password manager and random password.
Cheers for the video!!!
Oh man I think you may have reignited my interest in home network gear. I work in IT and always had tons of enterprise grade network gear around the house but kind of lost interest after awhile. I may have to rethink that :D
david is your brother? this is the first video i watched of yours
Synology is slow, bloated and overpriced.
That's hogwash.
THE 8 BIT GUY HAS A BROTHER??
Great video as always however I can't see paying that type of money for Synology.
Great video thanks for sharing
Too bad I can't install Replication Services on my RS814+, nor my DS1812+, nor my 2411+ ...
Great project!!!Each of your videos is so interesting and professional, would you consider working with us? Make a video about optical modules
You should consider wireguard over OpenVPN, is now in the mainstream kernel, faster than OpenVPN and easier to administrate but that's just a recommendation but since I switched never look back :)
No.
Great video been subscribed to your brother years thanks for the upload 👍🏻
I was hoping you would cover what settings had to be done to connect to your Synology? Did you use QuickConnect?
I covered that. We use OpenVPN.
I have a detached garage which is hardwired to my home network. I realize that not everyone has this option but is pretty simple and pretty much as secure. Now it's off to watch your VPN video...
Loveed the video
No comunication between the nas and the UPS in event of a power falliure ?
I want to set this up but there's a huge problem I'm having... I NEED MONEY
I don't get why you didn't add some capacity to David's NAS rather than to buy your own and place it right beside his.
Thanks for the Vid, a question though, why did you enable encryption to transfer when you are over a VPN? The real Question is, how good is Synology encryption without a VPN?
Because data is not encrypted on the local network.
What? Is this still the 90s? Who still uses case screws? ruclips.net/video/48xcJjS-AQQ/видео.html Ok. Forgiven: ruclips.net/video/48xcJjS-AQQ/видео.html
how two synology communicate and each one in different LAN? did you enable port forwarding?
Curious to understand the difference between this way and the hyperbackup method. What advantage do we have with snapshot replication? Thanks
I much prefer hyperbackup. You need more space for versioning, but it really saves you in case a ransomware hits. His sync does not fully protect.
You can never have too many Synology machines
Please pronounce "OOBOONTOO". UBUNTU is an african word.
"OOBANTOO" does not exist.
The makers of the product appear to disagree with you: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu
Synology is built on Linux, you can SSH into it. It should be on a segregated network only letting specific services through.
That's exactly what we did. However, SSH and all extraneous services are disabled out of the box.
i considered this myself even with a raspberry pi. Let's say the brother has a rambunchous teenager that wants to snoop on your backup nas. what's to stop them from pulling drives out and putting them in another box of some sort and reading what's on there? (I'm sure your brother and kids are great people .. just an example!) Stolen drives, broken into box. Is all encrypted? Second, how do you rdp into the box? Do you have a static ip opened up on his router? Thx.
1) The drives are locked with a key. 2) The drives are encrypted. 3) We use a VPN,
UK for that RAM like that 98 USD! £78. Ram is only cheap in America and Asia. My god. You yanks don’t know how much cheaper your electronics are compared to here. It’s infuriating. That was with the EU trading as a bloc.
This is a little late but hopefully someone will answer. How did you choose the power backup? I have the DS420+ if this helps. You have to choose a certain requirement?
My PRECIOUS!!!!
Do you also offer online support after upgrading to DSM 7 my nas to nas replication stopped working I am stumped. Thanks Dave
Thanks for the video. I have connected my two NAS devices over VPN, but I am stuck on "Specify Destination Server" (7:35). I have tried the nas name, the IP address, but can't find the destination server.
you spent more time talking about setup, not on the real replication process, cause i went thru that and got the files in "read mode" somehow i got stuck with the "relink" would have been good if u had shown the full Replication process
Is there a way to backup a NAS to the cloud using backblaze unlimited?
No. You have to use Backblaze B2.
Great video. Wish I had a close family member or friend to do that with. Am stuck with hyper backup to a USB drive. I wish the cable companies would start upgrading so we could have better upload speeds!!
Gratz on 100k subs!
another way to do a SSL connection is to use ZeroTier: www.zerotier.com/download/
It's free, you have control over who/what joins the network and don't have to mess with router/firewall settings.
What about data caps. You probably don't have one. But im guessing your brother has one
Quick question - is the Synology featureset the same across all of their devices? Might sound like a good investment for some backup storage, but I def' don't need 6 bays.
Answer: I bought a DS923+ and the featureset seems identical.
Do both NAS have to be the same model?
Nope
i need to do a shared folder sync and synology has changed the names. i am trying with rsync and shared folder wizard but i am battling. please could you do a video on this?
Great video. Did you have to open or forward a port from the router/firewall to have them talk to each other over the Internet? I am thinking of a similar setup as well and was not sure about what you both had to do with your router/firewall. Your guidance will be appreciated.
Further, would a pfsense box (with security monitoring plugins) on both side help to mitigate the security concern?
I would love to be your electric service provider. My profits would come from your usage alone.
Can you do versioning?
Yes, And I do.
Nice! Thanks for the video. Was that your brother’s Tesla? :)
Should of paid the $600 a month since you did it wrong lol joking. I'm glad you uploaded this it's very interesting to me nobody else does these videos better than you and your brother
Nice video and solution. You didn't cover a payback time, i.e. how much all that cost you against the cloud options you discussed. I'm guessing ~ 2 years?
Considering the estimate he showed for the Amazon Storage ($650 a month)... it would take maybe 2-3 months.
Close to 9 months at 2854 a system, he bought 2.
Looking into setting up/building a NAS. Why would one choose a Synology NAS instead of just building a server running whatever you like (like freebsd with zfs, or freenas if you like web gui)?
I've tried them all. Synology blows them all away.
It’s flat $6 per month on blackblaze to back up NAS drive.
I don't think your reasoning about running at 3am for ransomware protection is accurate. The whole point of having snapshots (other than easy incremental backups) is retention of point-in-time versions of your files. If you get ransomware, it may backup all the encrypted files, but you still have your previous "7 daily, 2 weekly, 1 monthly, 1 yearly" backups to revert to.
Yep. You are correct. I realized that not long after I made this video. Appreciate the comment!
How do you pay for all this great stuff?
I have a job and two successful business.
10Gb connection at home are real (at least in france) so a 10Gb network card is not a bad idea . Even if it's not available righ now , it will a some point.
I will leave a comment to say that you and your brother are awesome , i watch both of you from Saudi Arabia
rsync -Pav -e ssh source folder:/ destination ip/folder works every time.
Have you tried jumbo frames at all? I assume your network gear supports it (end to end).
Everybody is an expert on the internet. LoL
Other people use other Synology-made apps to do sync between Synology NASes. Should they have used Snapshot Replication instead? What are the pros and cons of using these different packages? Are they meant for low-powered NASes and Snapshot Replication is for high-end NASes?
That's sort of like asking "Should I use a blender or a food processor?" or "Should I use a pickup or box truck?" or "Should I use a riding mower or a push mower?" or "Should I used a jigsaw or a tablesaw?" Answer: Use the tool that best fits the job you are doing.
Near the end you talk about replicating corrupt or infected data. If you had chosen a ZFS based solution, this would never be an issue. You would send a snapshot, and those snapshots are immutable.
ZFS and snapshots are independent things. And I do actually send snapshots.
I have something similar on a couple of Synology but not using the replication.
Does the replication 100% mirror the source on the destination or does it keep a backup?
For example, if you delete a file and days later realise you don’t have it on the source Synology, would the destination still keep a copy of it?
Or if for some really unlikely reason a file became corrupt on the source and it replicated to the destination, would the destination still have a previous copy of it?
I am aware that the Synology has a feature to keep up to 30 (?) revisions of a file btw (wonder if it replicates that data too) :)
It's Snapshot replication. It stays 100% in sync, but retains previous snapshots. If you delete a file, it will be available on previous snapshot for whatever period of time (or number of snapshots) you define.
@@TheGeekPub Thanks for taking the time to reply :-)
good marketing video for affiliate ! however informative and good walkthrough for beginner
Hm.. if my brother asked me to install a 6 bay nas beside my 4 bay ditto.. the answer would be NO!.. 2,3, 4 bay OK.. but 5+ NOPE! 😁😎😜
You could always say yes sure, then secretly swap them in the middle of the night. What bro I don't know what you're talking about I didn't do anything.
Great video with very useful information - thank you!
I just subscribed. Great video. I am trying to do the same thing. Did you have to port forward any ports or add specific firewall rules?
It's a VPN.
@thegeekpub Will the Synology device let you perform snapshots on the replicated copy (your brothers house)? This way I can perform Realtime replication with snapshots for corruption replication protection.
Yes. I am actually doing just that.
My plan was EXACTLY THIS! THANKS!
Did he limit the inbound network connection so it doesn't saturate his WAN?
No need to encrypt replication as you already have encryption in the vpn. Doble encrypted data can actually slow down transmission or make files bigger.
No need to fret ransomware. Simply need to configure the sync/replication to move the deleted files to a directory and then use a purging script to delete old files from there.
I also have a PC syncing several times a day with all deleted files getting moved to a date-time stamped folder on the local encrypted NTFS drives (have your data in more than one FS format!).
The VPN only encrypts over the WAN. It doesn't encrypt on the LAN.
I'm not sure I'm worried more about my data than I am about my house.
Second, a _good_ brother would spring for a second internet account to not only not bog down Netflix, but also allow link aggregation for more speed.
I never said I was worried more about my data than my house. But you should consider that as someone running a business that data is invaluable to me. It would take me close to a decade to re-create, if ever.
Second, a second internet connection would cost $1428 a year plus tax. All so I could use it 10-20 minutes a day in the middle of the night, when the other internet connection is idle and "free".