@@padflash I highly recommend checking out their refurbished paddles they put out quite frequently. You can snag one for like 120 bucks if you have gov x or like 130 if you don’t
I enjoyed the podcast information. I received the Volair PB Effect Edition paddles (14mm and 16mm) today. The paddles look great. Hopefully, UPA-A and USPA needs to figure the deflection testing out and make it transparent or both regulatory agencies will have the same controversies as before. When I looked at the picture of the line referee, it looks like she was not on the baseline to even make the call if she was looking. Thank you, Braydon and Kyle.
Thanks for watching, I'm glad you enjoyed it. We have a lot of fun doing it. And thank you for getting my PE paddles, that means a lot!! And I agree, the testing needs to be transparent and concrete. I feel like the rules are resting on sand and they shift here and there to accommodate different things.
Hey guys, I found it really difficult to understand you guys on this episode. The noise gate settings are very aggressive and are really chopping up your words, especially Brayden’s. I’m an audio engineer and I’d be happy to help you fine tune your settings.
Rumor has it Paddletek is releasing some modified ALW-C paddles with a more tennis-like grip and buttcap. They also have the Bantam ESQ-C that Andrea Koop uses with a 5.5" handle.
Braydon mix up some of that Pickd. ALW 12.7 with a Hesacore is a nice setup. Poppier and harder hitting paddle than the Paddleteks IMO is Tellezs’ paddle the Lotto Ultimate Pro 14mm.
I can see the ALW 12.7 with a hesacore being a lot better. And that's the first I've really heard anything about Tellez's paddle. My interest is piqued now cuz if that's true then it would be up there in power where only a few others are and it would be nice to have another option there.
@@pickleballeffect My wife loves it, replaced her ALW 12.7 with it and even though she gets more power and pop from it she isn’t popping it up as much, more reach and her depth is better. It is noisy and I have played with it a bit and overheads are insane!
@@jamesstolle8419 Depends on your technique, since it’s so poppy and hard hitting the ball doesn’t sit on the face very long, so if you have good technique it will dip nicely on drives and serves, at the net again good technique you can get good spin on speed ups and dinks.
Checked out the electrolyte drink, was ready to buy, but maybe some feedback for them is that it would be nice to see the actual official nutrition label. They have all their marketing blurb, I want to see the actual label. If they are not intending to hide it, then fix that. If they are not showing it on purpose, that speaks volumes…
I'm one of the partners of No Apologies Nutrition. We have our website group adding that to the images. We actually want everyone to see our facts page and compare to the competition because no other hydration will come to close to comparing.
I just ordered a Mach 2 Forza and it’s not even here yet. But honestly, I might send it back… that gold one looks too good. Usually black and gold wouldn’t be my thing, but that looks nice.
Keep an eye out for the neonic flare and flare prime. Its going to be a standard face paddle with a 5.75 inch handle with some interesting options. The normal flare is a good control to all court paddle with more pop than the mach 2 16mm. The flare prime is where it gets interesting being 14mm having the same fiberglass then carbon fiber layer up technology in the alw and tkoc paddles. It should play pretty similarly to an between of the 14.3mm and 12.7mm alw but with a long handle and an extra low swing weight of 104 with a twist weight of 6.9 out of the box. I think you would love them both when they release
Yeah, they did a good job with those. I never felt like they got the credit they deserved though there are just a few little things about them that I wish they changed that could possibly be holding them back since they are so expensive and people expect perfection at that price point.
I have been watching and subscribed to Pickleball Effect for a long time. I trust and value your research/work and opinion. You and Kyle make a great team and I look forward to your all’s videos. I always watch it all the way to the end. I recently purchased your tungsten tape from Amazon and I like is very much. One of my favorite videos was the one where you talked/opened your heart about your younger brother, the foundation and cancer (my Dad died from cancer). I currently play with a Double Black Diamond and love it as it feels like an extension of my hand. I only wish the spin lasted longer. I recently played with a Volair Mach 2 Forza and loved it. I saw your review and that sealed the deal. I was planning on buying one and when I saw the Pickleball Effect Special Edition to support the Foundation and memory of your brother, I knew it was time to get one. So, I should be getting my PB Effect Forza this week. Thanks!
Thank you so much for picking up the PE paddle, that means a lot. And thanks for tuning in for so long! I have a lot of fun doing it all and I'm glad others enjoy it with me. My heart goes out to you and your family for your dad.
I play with the M2 Forza. Looking for a bit more offensive capability in a new paddle - more power with controllable pop. What are your thoughts on the control of the Monarch CFC - dinks, resets and drops? Is the pop controllable? Thanks.
Yes, I think it is. It will take you a couple of drill sessions and a gameplay sessions to dial it in since you're coming from the Mach 2 Forza 16 but it's certainly not over the top power and pop.
Just got your collab Volair Mach 2 Forza and it's a beauty. Great job on the design and colors by the design team. I played with it for a few days now and absolutely love it and have jelled with it super quickly. I added 4" on each side at the 4 & 8 O'Clock area towards the handle and it feels even better from stock. Overall great job on a great paddle! The fact that it supports your charity just makes it that much sweeter!
I like widebodies for dubs. In singles the extra length of an elongated paddle makes a bigger difference to me when you have to cover so much court and you get out stretched on volleys a lot. I've added weight to nearly every widebody I've used. My preferred swingweight is between 113-117 so if a paddle is less than 113, which a lot of widebodies are, then I weight it up some.
I saw you guys did not like the ALW handle. I have the ALW 12.7 and when I ordered it I asked Paddletek to put the TKO handle on the paddle and they did with no issue. They even asked what length handle I wanted, awesome paddle with the TKO shaped handle!
Just ordered my PE edition Forza Mach 2 14 mm. I'm very happy to support such an awesome charity. Braydon, could you please tell me about your tungsten weight setup on your Mach 2 (also the 14mm if I remember correctly)? Thanks!
I just got the Mage Pro Gen2 in the mail but haven't spent time with it yet though based on what I've heard about it the Fat Boy seems to be a little toned down version of it with the wider and more forgiving body.
@@pickleballeffect I understand that not all of the many standard/wide body shaped paddles could make your list, but the Gruvn Muvn-16S is a well known, popular wide body paddle. It's not just another standard/widebody shaped paddle. All the reveiwers I've seen that reveiwed this when it came out considered it one of the best. That's why I think it should have made your list. I personally have owned 11 didn't paddles so far and this is by far the best paddle I have ever used. Its the reason I went away from hybrid shaped paddles to standard/widebodys only and I'lll never look back. :) I also own the Fatboy (It was easy to become an ambassador to Bread and Butter - Prettty much anyone can). I love that paddle as well although much harder to control due to its' massive poppiness, but man what a sweet spot, and so fast in the hands and wicked punch volleys.
Hello, I wanted to recommend the OM Aero paddle for anyone looking for a widebody paddle. I've been playing pickleball for a year and a half now and have gone through over ten paddles before settling on this one for doubles. It’s great paddle for kitchen battles and hard flick drives. However, it's not the best paddle for singles, so I'm planning to give the HUDEF Gen 2 a try. As an ex-open racquetball player, I tend to favor power. Keep up the great work, guys! I love the show, and that Volair paddle looks pretty cool.
So I am coming from tennis and got an elongated paddle at 16.5, I know you both said that your not really feeling elongated paddles but is there one or two that you could recommend that have good control and are softer feeling or more forgiving?
@@DinkSmashMedia Love the videos and feedback you guys provide… I know you’ve mentioned that you prefer elongated paddles and Braydon wide body/STD. I’ve been wanting to add an Engage Pursuit to my rotation and I was surprised both of you ranked the Pursuit EX 6.0 so high… Would you recommend the EX std 6.0 over the MX elongated 6.0??? I’ve heard the MX is a little harder to control at the slow game. My main is a J2K and Ruby if that helps.
Guys, great job sorting thru so many paddles. One request moving forward is whether you might comment on whether the paddles could benefit from weight and possibly end cap as well. Most of us don’t have Briffidis so having you comment on whether a paddle might benefit from a bit of tungsten and where you might consider placing it e.g, lower for stability or higher for some added punch would be appreciated.
-Braydon
+Power (mph)
Engage EX 6.0 54
ALW 12.7 53.8
11SIX24 Monarch AC 53.4
HPC J3K 53
B&B Fat Boy 52.8
Ronbus R2 52.4
Hurricane 14 52.4
Volair M2F 16 52.2
Hurricane 16 52.2
Spartus Apollo 51.8
Volair M2F 14 51.4
+Pop (mph)
ALW 12.7 35.5
Engage EX 6.0 35
Ronbus R2 34.3
HPC J3K 34.1
B&B Fat Boy 34.1
11SIX24 Monarch AC 33.8
Volair M2F 14 33.6
Hurricane 14 33.5
Hurricane 16 33.3
Spartus Apollo 33.3
Volair M2F 16 32.8
-Kyle
+Power (mph)
11SIX24 Monarch AC 55.8
HPC J3K 54.4
Engage EX 6.0 54.4
B&B Fat Boy 53.8
Ronbus R2 53.6
Hurricane 14 53.4
Spartus Apollo 53
Volair M2F 14 53
Volair M2F 16 52.8
ALW 12.7 52.6
Hurricane 16 52
+Pop (mph)
ALW 12.7 37.8
Engage EX 6.0 37.4
Hurricane 14 37.4
B&B Fat Boy 37.2
Volair M2F 14 36.4
Hurricane 16 36
Ronbus R2 35.8
HPC J3K 35.6
11SIX24 Monarch AC 35.2
Volair M2F 16 34.8
Spartus Apollo 34.6
Engage is super underrated. I been telling people they are sleeper paddles for awhile now
@@chriscatastrophe660 just a bit expensive compared to the majority of other offerings.
@@padflash I highly recommend checking out their refurbished paddles they put out quite frequently. You can snag one for like 120 bucks if you have gov x or like 130 if you don’t
@@chriscatastrophe660 thanks for the suggestion. I often forget that some companies have a refurbished or blemished section!
Brayden - why didn’t you do the 13mm version for Engage? 😢
I got my PB Effect Volair on Sunday. It’s absolutely beautiful! The gold looks so good! I don’t even want to use it lol.
You were early on that, I’m glad you like it. Thank you!!
The ball AND the paddle get softer in the heat. Deflection is just the wrong test. Exit velocity tested at constant temps is the only way.
I agree
Just got my PE Mach 2 delivered 😀 I love the gold color way and design! Sending much love to the PE family and AJU foundation!
Thank you so much!!
I enjoyed the podcast information. I received the Volair PB Effect Edition paddles (14mm and 16mm) today. The paddles look great. Hopefully, UPA-A and USPA needs to figure the deflection testing out and make it transparent or both regulatory agencies will have the same controversies as before. When I looked at the picture of the line referee, it looks like she was not on the baseline to even make the call if she was looking. Thank you, Braydon and Kyle.
Thanks for watching, I'm glad you enjoyed it. We have a lot of fun doing it. And thank you for getting my PE paddles, that means a lot!! And I agree, the testing needs to be transparent and concrete. I feel like the rules are resting on sand and they shift here and there to accommodate different things.
Hey guys, I found it really difficult to understand you guys on this episode. The noise gate settings are very aggressive and are really chopping up your words, especially Brayden’s. I’m an audio engineer and I’d be happy to help you fine tune your settings.
Rumor has it Paddletek is releasing some modified ALW-C paddles with a more tennis-like grip and buttcap. They also have the Bantam ESQ-C that Andrea Koop uses with a 5.5" handle.
Can’t wait for the ESQ-C models.
Braydon mix up some of that Pickd. ALW 12.7 with a Hesacore is a nice setup. Poppier and harder hitting paddle than the Paddleteks IMO is Tellezs’ paddle the Lotto Ultimate Pro 14mm.
Thoughts on spin?
I can see the ALW 12.7 with a hesacore being a lot better. And that's the first I've really heard anything about Tellez's paddle. My interest is piqued now cuz if that's true then it would be up there in power where only a few others are and it would be nice to have another option there.
@@pickleballeffect My wife loves it, replaced her ALW 12.7 with it and even though she gets more power and pop from it she isn’t popping it up as much, more reach and her depth is better. It is noisy and I have played with it a bit and overheads are insane!
@@jamesstolle8419 Depends on your technique, since it’s so poppy and hard hitting the ball doesn’t sit on the face very long, so if you have good technique it will dip nicely on drives and serves, at the net again good technique you can get good spin on speed ups and dinks.
Checked out the electrolyte drink, was ready to buy, but maybe some feedback for them is that it would be nice to see the actual official nutrition label. They have all their marketing blurb, I want to see the actual label. If they are not intending to hide it, then fix that. If they are not showing it on purpose, that speaks volumes…
Thanks for the feedback. I contacted the owners and they will have the site fixed.
I'm one of the partners of No Apologies Nutrition. We have our website group adding that to the images. We actually want everyone to see our facts page and compare to the competition because no other hydration will come to close to comparing.
Pickleball needs a robot like golf’s Iron Byron!
Yes, I'm all for that.
@@ericmandell7895 It’s called Braydon and Kyle!
I just ordered a Mach 2 Forza and it’s not even here yet. But honestly, I might send it back… that gold one looks too good. Usually black and gold wouldn’t be my thing, but that looks nice.
Keep an eye out for the neonic flare and flare prime. Its going to be a standard face paddle with a 5.75 inch handle with some interesting options. The normal flare is a good control to all court paddle with more pop than the mach 2 16mm. The flare prime is where it gets interesting being 14mm having the same fiberglass then carbon fiber layer up technology in the alw and tkoc paddles. It should play pretty similarly to an between of the 14.3mm and 12.7mm alw but with a long handle and an extra low swing weight of 104 with a twist weight of 6.9 out of the box. I think you would love them both when they release
I haven't heard about these yet. The Prime sounds like a paddle that could be really good!
The Engage contact feel on all their pro paddles is very enjoyable! So fun and easy to use.
Yeah, they did a good job with those. I never felt like they got the credit they deserved though there are just a few little things about them that I wish they changed that could possibly be holding them back since they are so expensive and people expect perfection at that price point.
Love the pod! Will you guys talk about perceived control for the paddles also?
I have been watching and subscribed to Pickleball Effect for a long time. I trust and value your research/work and opinion. You and Kyle make a great team and I look forward to your all’s videos. I always watch it all the way to the end. I recently purchased your tungsten tape from Amazon and I like is very much. One of my favorite videos was the one where you talked/opened your heart about your younger brother, the foundation and cancer (my Dad died from cancer).
I currently play with a Double Black Diamond and love it as it feels like an extension of my hand. I only wish the spin lasted longer. I recently played with a Volair Mach 2 Forza and loved it. I saw your review and that sealed the deal. I was planning on buying one and when I saw the Pickleball Effect Special Edition to support the Foundation and memory of your brother, I knew it was time to get one. So, I should be getting my PB Effect Forza this week. Thanks!
Thank you so much for picking up the PE paddle, that means a lot. And thanks for tuning in for so long! I have a lot of fun doing it all and I'm glad others enjoy it with me. My heart goes out to you and your family for your dad.
I play with the M2 Forza. Looking for a bit more offensive capability in a new paddle - more power with controllable pop. What are your thoughts on the control of the Monarch CFC - dinks, resets and drops? Is the pop controllable? Thanks.
Yes, I think it is. It will take you a couple of drill sessions and a gameplay sessions to dial it in since you're coming from the Mach 2 Forza 16 but it's certainly not over the top power and pop.
Good video. I have a Hudef Mage Pro Gen2 and my friend has a M2F.
Just got your collab Volair Mach 2 Forza and it's a beauty. Great job on the design and colors by the design team. I played with it for a few days now and absolutely love it and have jelled with it super quickly. I added 4" on each side at the 4 & 8 O'Clock area towards the handle and it feels even better from stock. Overall great job on a great paddle!
The fact that it supports your charity just makes it that much sweeter!
Thanks for the kind comment and I'm glad you like the paddle :)
Pls specify if you are using wide body for singles, dubs, both, and weight added, if any.
I like widebodies for dubs. In singles the extra length of an elongated paddle makes a bigger difference to me when you have to cover so much court and you get out stretched on volleys a lot. I've added weight to nearly every widebody I've used. My preferred swingweight is between 113-117 so if a paddle is less than 113, which a lot of widebodies are, then I weight it up some.
@@pickleballeffect thx for the great info.
I'm that Eddie and half of the story wasn't even told, but Paul did his best to try to make it right.
Haha I know it’s a great story! I tried to do it justice quickly. Hope you enjoyed Boise
I saw you guys did not like the ALW handle. I have the ALW 12.7 and when I ordered it I asked Paddletek to put the TKO handle on the paddle and they did with no issue. They even asked what length handle I wanted, awesome paddle with the TKO shaped handle!
Wanted to order your signature paddle but it won't ship to Sydney. A bit gutted as want to support the charity. Sorry man
They werent using the replay system for the smash call cause things had moved indoors cause of rain. It was always planned on being used at BCO
Ahhh that makes sense! Stupid rain
The ALW MLP addition has a slightly longer handle.
Is that a customized melin hat?
Good podcast. How does Hudef Mage Pro Gen2 compared to M2F?
I just got that one in the mail and haven't played it or ran my stats tests on them yet though they are on my radar.
Aww, wish the CRBN 2X made it to the list. My first paddle purchased through PickleballEffect!
I considered that one but the one I have is on the verge of delamination so I didn't include it :/
Do you remember the FB page you saw the Gearbox unboxing?
Just ordered my PE edition Forza Mach 2 14 mm. I'm very happy to support such an awesome charity. Braydon, could you please tell me about your tungsten weight setup on your Mach 2 (also the 14mm if I remember correctly)? Thanks!
Thank you!! It’s changed overtime and right now I have 4 1/2 inches of my 1g tungsten tape on each side.
I have a Hudef Mage Pro Gen2. Is Fat boy worth buying?
I just got the Mage Pro Gen2 in the mail but haven't spent time with it yet though based on what I've heard about it the Fat Boy seems to be a little toned down version of it with the wider and more forgiving body.
Perhaps a humidifier in your studio would be helpful
Why didn't you include the Gruvn Muvn paddle?
Couldn't do them all unfortunately :/
@@pickleballeffect I understand that not all of the many standard/wide body shaped paddles could make your list, but the Gruvn Muvn-16S is a well known, popular wide body paddle. It's not just another standard/widebody shaped paddle. All the reveiwers I've seen that reveiwed this when it came out considered it one of the best. That's why I think it should have made your list. I personally have owned 11 didn't paddles so far and this is by far the best paddle I have ever used. Its the reason I went away from hybrid shaped paddles to standard/widebodys only and I'lll never look back. :) I also own the Fatboy (It was easy to become an ambassador to Bread and Butter - Prettty much anyone can). I love that paddle as well although much harder to control due to its' massive poppiness, but man what a sweet spot, and so fast in the hands and wicked punch volleys.
Hello, I wanted to recommend the OM Aero paddle for anyone looking for a widebody paddle. I've been playing pickleball for a year and a half now and have gone through over ten paddles before settling on this one for doubles. It’s great paddle for kitchen battles and hard flick drives. However, it's not the best paddle for singles, so I'm planning to give the HUDEF Gen 2 a try. As an ex-open racquetball player, I tend to favor power. Keep up the great work, guys! I love the show, and that Volair paddle looks pretty cool.
Thanks for the comment and I'm glad you enjoy the show, we have a lot fun doing it all.
Which would win in the spin category?
ordered 2 paddles, used you code. thanks
Thanks for using the code! What ones did you get?
@@pickleballeffect Monarch and Hurricane 14. 5 months in using the M2F16
Great video as usual. What size arm sleeve did you use from Leorever? Thanks!
Thanks for watching! I wear a medium
Re:Testing- Have submitted paddles rest in a 70 degree space until they are at room temp and then run the test
Are you saying they should do this for onsite tournament testing or for the initial usap paddle approval process?
@pickleballeffect both if possible. Then some consistency would be in place.
Appreciate the great work you do!
So I am coming from tennis and got an elongated paddle at 16.5, I know you both said that your not really feeling elongated paddles but is there one or two that you could recommend that have good control and are softer feeling or more forgiving?
Bread and Butter Shogun, Paddletek TKO and Hudef viva pro gen 3.
@@juansantiago1441 thank you Juan, I will look into those!
@@JovanniG678 also Engage pursuit Pro Mx/Pro 1 and Hurache 11six24 are some popular ones for previous tennis players.
Shogun is a solid recommendation. It has a very soft feel with the titanium but still packs a punch. It’s my main paddle
@@DinkSmashMedia Love the videos and feedback you guys provide… I know you’ve mentioned that you prefer elongated paddles and Braydon wide body/STD. I’ve been wanting to add an Engage Pursuit to my rotation and I was surprised both of you ranked the Pursuit EX 6.0 so high…
Would you recommend the EX std 6.0 over the MX elongated 6.0??? I’ve heard the MX is a little harder to control at the slow game. My main is a J2K and Ruby if that helps.
Can you speculate as to why it’s literally been months now and the Ripple is still on the USAPA “approved” list??
Joola was a different story with why they were delisted so that’s why I think that was immediate
People can still use the Ripple in sanctioned play correct?
On the Monarch did you test the 14 or 16mm model ?
The 16
@@pickleballeffect TY
Oh no. The dreaded gaping mouth thumbnail. 🤦🏻♂️😲
Haha driving those views up 😂
Kyle is still new to this and wants to experience everything, including the gaping mouth
@@pickleballeffect 😂
Guys, great job sorting thru so many paddles. One request moving forward is whether you might comment on whether the paddles could benefit from weight and possibly end cap as well. Most of us don’t have Briffidis so having you comment on whether a paddle might benefit from a bit of tungsten and where you might consider placing it e.g, lower for stability or higher for some added punch would be appreciated.
Joola Scorpeus 14 and 16 mm are class apart. Expensive and worth it.