Cabinet Face Frames - Easy
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- Опубликовано: 9 июл 2024
- In this video I will go over some helpful pointers on not only making face frames, but how to figure out your measurements. I also provide some helpful tips and some additional information that pertains to drawer slide installation when using face frames.
If you have any questions, leave them in the comments section below or feel free to send me a DM on Instagram (@bentswoodworking).
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Thanks
Jason
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DANG IT! I built an entire kitchen full of cabinets using these dimensions and now I have a tiny little kitchen! :)
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Goody,you must be a dwarf
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It’s the internet. Ignore the negative comments. You can’t waste time on those people. Ignore them. You’re making great videos that a lot of people will appreciate. Don’t let the negativity of a few ruin it for you. Life is too short.
Agree 👍
Jason, I have been a woodworking hobbyist for many years and I watch a bunch of videos just to pick up a tip here or there. You sir do an excellent job at making these videos. Thank you very much for your efforts.
Thank you so much
I came across this video because I was looking for some face frames methods. But what I actually found is a real wealth of information. This man could be a teacher as his explanations were so complete and full of details.
These videos set the standard for how instructional videos should be made. I’m not sure how I found your channel but thankful I did. I truly appreciate your making and posting these excellent videos. Thank you.
Glad you like them!
I found this to be the most helpful video on making face frames , very clear and understandable.
The best video series I have seen on everything you need to know about making and installing cabinets. Thank you Jason for your quality videos and easy to understand instructions.
Dave Stovall thank you Dave. I actually plan on making another series actually going through the process step by step and the building itself.
@@bentswoodworking cool..looking forward to the series..do you offer your stickers for purchase? I'm starting a collection
Dave Stovall if you are on IG, send me a DM with your address and I’ll send you one
Rich 33 thank you!!
I’ve been using imperial all my life and listening to you use metric takes all the guesswork out of adding fractions. I feel like I just watched you discover fire! Lol. Why we never adopted metric is beyond me. My next project will be in metric.
Good discussion of planning being the key part and a nice demonstration of that! Metric makes it easier, with fewer mistakes.
K.B. Woodworker I agree and have found metric much easier and more accurate
I will definitely reference this for future cabinets. Thanks for putting this out man!
Walkers Woodworks thanks brother!
Thanks for another great video. You do an excellent job of explaining things so even us "non-woodworking" guys can understand it.
Earl Stivers thanks!
I used metric system for 25 years of my life, to me is the easiest measuring system in the world. Moved to US about 22 years ago and had to convert to imperial system. Wish the whole world can be on 1 system, Nice explanatory video.
My search ends hear. Simple, clear cut and every detailed covered. one word describes you video " PERFECT "
Thank you
I wish this could just be shipped to me. I loved the breakdown on the actual piece. Great teaching technique!
Thank you 🙏
Dear Jason! Thank you very much for this series! Very very helpful explanation. Good luck.
Anton B thank you!
You taught me a lot today. Thanks for sharing.
StuffUCanMake thank you! Glad you found it useful
I like the metric discussion as I am in the US and Imperial is King, though most of the rest of the world uses metric. I have used Imperial in my previous projects but am looking forward to using metric for small projects to get more familiar with metric.
Anyone who couldn’t figure out that wasn’t a scale cabinet and was meant for the purpose of the video should probably find something else to do.
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I was going to say the same exact thing.
I like your step by step instruction in this and the previous cabinet video...it helps a lot. Thank you.
You’re welcome 👍
Great set of videos on cabinet making, simple and easy to follow, thank you.
Thank you!
Hi Jason, I am new to woodworking and my first “inside” project is a cupboard and this was a perfect instruction. You have a very simple and easy to understand style. Thanks a lot
You’re very welcome
Thank you Jason, really enjoying your videos.
Great video, and good tip for the drawer slide spacer. I’ve been working on improving drawers and this will help.
Thanks for sharing the info on setting up the face frame!
Building a mock up like he did is great way to go.
To say that I just enjoy your vids (I’m not on the Instagram) would be a great understatement. I’ve actually gained the knowledge that has given me confidence to make my own base cabinets for my dream workshop.
Face frame + cabinet. I can do this. Perhaps even some drawers to top it off. My little contractor table saw is going to be pretty busy.
That’s fantastic, thank you. You can definitely do it!
Great video! Thanks for the explanation! I think this is one of those things you kind of need to continue learning about.
Simple Woodworking thank you! Glad you found it helpful!
Don't worry about it people just don't get it. Great video great work . May God continue to bless you .👍👍🙏🙏
Thank you
as an engineer, I cannot stress how much more precise you can be when you use metric. it's just easier too! no math with fractions. Just use metric
I am currently try to completely changeover
I'm Irish and we use2x4 inches x1.75meters how about that for measuring sure we are the best
1/32nd of an inch is about 0.8 mm and there are about 25mm per inch (you're not one of the engineers that made that Mars lander that blew up are you?). But on the other hand, metric math is easier and most plywood is actually metric thicknesses.
@@mikeking7470 Actually, I AM an aerospace engineer. Because we work with multiple countries and every other country uses metric, then yes we all use metric.
and yea 1/32 is smaller than 1mm but if something needs to be more precise than mm, we could use micrometers (microns) or nano-meters. and since everything is Base 10 you don't need to remember any crazy conversions like imperial would have. 1000μm (microns) is 1mm. need to be more precise than that for some odd reason? 1,000,000nm (nanometers) is 1mm
Metric isn’t more precise (can’t see any possible way how it could be) but is certainly easier maths
best explanation ive heard yet, great video, thanks!
You’re welcome
The mm was confusing me but after second watch I’m catching up. Thank you for this, I’m getting ready to make my first cabinet box and I lack the confidence which you’re explanation has been really helpful, thank you 🙏 well
Awesome, so glad you found it helpful!!
I genuinely cannot believe you have to explain the cabinet is a small scale version for the purposes of a demo!! Thanks for a great, informative video. Don't worry about a small minority of peanuts
David Mitchell thanks. You would be surprised how many people asked why it was so small lol
Thanks for the cabinet tutorial, I’ve just made four for a base on a bookcase. 👍
That’s awesome! Glad you found it useful
Hello Bent Carpentry, I want to thank you for giving the option of measurements in the metric system by not understanding the language, it helps me understand your videos, thank you
greetings from Argentina.
You’re welcome 👍
Thank you! This was very helpful and inspiring.
You’re welcome
Very well-made and informative video.
Very Helpful and useful to know! So well explained.
Thank you
Thank you. Just learn something new today.
Glad to hear it!
Excellent. Thanks for sharing 👍🏻
You’re welcome
you answered almost all of my questions about cabinets..thank you sir..
You’re welcome
Thank for sharing . Great video.
Metric + a very good teacher! Thank you very much!
Good instructions. Thanks.
Awesome as always thank you!!!
Josh Grizzle you’re welcome
Your video was very helpful, thank you.
You’re welcome
Just found your channel. Im Binge watching like it like its game of thrones. I appreciate your non flashy presentation style and the no - horse shit click baity extra long vid for no reason - vids are extremely helpful. Cheers mate
Thank you. I’m glad you are finding them helpful!!
Great explanation. Thanks!
Lisa G you’re welcome
thanks a lot for sharing your knowledge.
Douglas Durham you’re welcome. That’s why I am on here
Ho Bent....Thank you for giving woodworking lover a nicely explained video. I am going through many wood utubers but I like the which are tutorials, yours are one of them. I keep u on high regards for enhancing our ineterst. Pl keep on posting tutorial, I will keep on liking and sharing it.
Regards, Syed
Syed Arif Akhter thanks!
Thank you for sharing your knowledge
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Awesome video! Thanks🙂👊
You’re welcome!
Very informative
Thanks man, I'm buying the beer come on over! I have a van build that could use someone like you!
Crunchy ShadTV that would be awesome
Nice work on the video its too bad that people gave you negative feedback on the actual size on a demo. Cabinet I'm a big fan of RUclips and the positive impact they can have on modern society but unfortunately it does appear many channels do get criticized incorrectly by people that cant think for themselves IMO i hope you take that with a grain of salt i have over 20 years experience working in the Architectual Woodworking industry. And our bread and butter was building and installing custom Cabinets in addition to other custom millwork and trim in the Washington DC area and ive seen nothing but quality work and advice from your channel so far in the videos i have watched
Craig Monteforte thank you so much for the kind words. I greatly appreciate it. I don’t worry about the negativity. It bothered me at first but now it doesn’t. I’m just here to help, and I know you can’t please everyone.
Thank you for nice sharing
Very nice instructional video.
Thank you!
Great instruction.
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That was great thanks 😊
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Great videos!
Thank you!
Excellent video, I particularly like your diagrams and explanations of how to design and calculate the dimensions needed. One thing that concerns me is just gluing the face frame - even with clamps, it seems like inconsistency between the face frame and plywood edges could use a little help. Considering the use of pocket screws already, why not a few in the cabinet sides and into the face frame?
I don’t think it’s necessary. In that scenario the pocket screws would essentially just be acting as clamps until the glue dries
Most people don't know, but if you properly apply a good wood glue the bond it creates is stronger than the wood in most cases. When you tear apart two pieces of wood that's been glued together you actually just end up tearing off wood fibers from one of the two pieces before you ever break the glue bond.
@@MillerJustinFS Agreed, if we are talking about gluing one edge or face to another. But in this case if my cabinet is plywood and I'm essentially joining the face frame to a butt joint, I'm not so sure (though probably plenty strong enough in this case).
Great video, Jason! Guess I’m gonna have to get me a metric tape measure! Seems that you can be more accurate with cabinets using millimeters.
Penalty Box Woodshop I have found metric to be both easier and more accurate. Don’t worry about all of you imperial stuff, like woodpeckers, I haven’t found it to be an inconvenience cause I don’t use them to measure. Just other things like checking square, drawing straight lines etc. just buy a dual tape measure from fast cap and you will be good. We can discuss it more next Friday 👍🏻
I have used both. And yes, millimeters seem to be a way to be more exact.
Great video! Thanks! one quick question. To attache the drawer slide spacers, do you just glue and screw? Glue and pin? or pocket hole? What is best? Thanks ahead of time
PastBlast I glue and pin but glue is all you need for most applications
Nice
I was just wondering about the top to be fitted to the cabinet. Do you make the face frame taller so that the top rail hides the front of the plywood top?
Gordon Clark well in this case the example cabinet is a base cabinet so the would be open topped and a counter top would be on top of it.
Thanks
Thanks, lots of good little tips. I find the "Opening" to be a very misleading description, but maybe that's an industry standard term, seems like it should be "overall width" or something along those lines. The only other thing is I'd be interested when you actually install the face frame how you locate it, since you can't reference an edge due to the overhang. It's obviously important since you later mention the spacing being intended for a plywood spacer for drawer slides.
Jeremy Specce there are industry standards. This is more of a overview to help people with little to no experience understand certain aspects. Thanks! 👍🏻
Thanks 🙏
You’re welcome
When was the last time you had a set of blueprints with the dimensions in centimeters or millimeters? I've been in construction for over 4o years and I've never seen it. I guess he wants the world to know how intellectual he is.
Thanks for this video and all the other useful information you post!
I have a unique situation I hope you might have a suggestion for. I have a bathroom vanity that runs from one wall to another. Space between is 58 1/4 inches. So I cannot buy a premade vanity. I thought about building a complete vanity from scratch. But I’m thinking if possible maybe I could just replace the face frame in the existing carcass. The current one has one large cabinet door, two small ones, and only 2 draws. I would like to update it to 3 drawers on each side and one middle cabinet door. Any suggestion on replacing the existing face frame with the new layout? I can’t seem to find any videos on this. I would really appreciate any advice on my situation? Thanks!
I think it could be done but you would need to likely remove the top and build out the interior in place. Also, drawers on the sides could be problematic but to the sinks. Hard to say without seeing it.
I know it's too late. But, I am just wondering how I could figure out if I combine four separated cabinets horizontally but want to make one big front face. Setting aside overhang, if the width of vertical dividers are the same, the opening of the far sides become smaller? Do I make myself understood?
You can make them whatever size you want. And yes you could just build one large face frame and install it at one time
pro vid, thanks
You’re welcome
Hi, thank you for the video. Just to clarify, the box is made from plywood and the face frame is made from solid wood?
That’s completely up too you ultimately but in this scenario, yes
Nice shop...
Raj Dann thanks!
I realize this is old but would be interested in deeper dive into design. For example the different ways of doing the bottom rail.
Do you always build the face frame after the cabinet is built? I've seen others build the face frame first. Not sure if one way is better than the other. Also, I've seen others use pocket screws to mount the face frame to the cabinet. Are a few pin nails and glue sturdy enough?
Dan Quilty personally I like to build them after. Kreg stews will work for attaching the frame as wel. The pin nails are just to hold it till I get clamps on it. Glue is definitely strong enough
There is a trick floating around where you blast Brad nails into the corners of the carcass, cut them in half so you have essentially tiny nails sticking out of the front carcass, glue the carcass front and you can then attach the face frame to the front and softly hammer the frame to attach to the nails to hold in place.
Thanks for using Metric, it all makes more sense..
I find it very easy
Thanks for the amazing video. I have a quick question. Can I replace my old style trim of my cabinet doors to new style shakar trip. My kitchen cabinet doors are faced frame
Thanks
You can replace the doors, yes
@@bentswoodworking I sorry for miscommunication. I meant just to replace trim. Can I still use same doors
@@syedraza242 if the face frame was the same dimensions I don’t see why not.
@@bentswoodworking thanks 🙏
Hi there, may I just ask you what wood did you use for the face frame? many thanks
I usually use poplar or maple if painting
nice video
Javier C thanks
Could the inside edge of the face frame not be made flush with the cabinet inside wall negating the need for the packing piece for the drawer slides to sit on?
Rodger Quinn There are a couple options. You could just build it without a face frame or you can get these L brackets that they sell that will go on the back of the drawer slide and connect to the back of the cabinet
Yeah I've saw those rear brackets. They're quite good as they allow the rear of the slides to float laterally. Found these as well for the front
www.rockler.com/inset-mounting-brackets-for-undermount-slides
Nice video but i have a question when you puting the face frame on couldn't you make it flush with the inside part as to not waist space where you put the piece of bord to make it flush to add the draw slides.i hope someone answer me because i am about to make this and i would really love to know if this is possible thanks in advance
You could yes but then your face frame would stick out on the sides. You can also buy brackets that attach to the back of the slide and then the bracket attaches to the rear of the cabinet. The front of the slide then attaches to the face frame.
@@bentswoodworking I was wondering the same thing as AnnMarie and I'm not sure what you mean that the face frame would stick out on the sides. If we make the vertical pieces 24mm wide, allowing for a 18mm plywood and a 6mm outside overhang, why won't the "inside" of the face frame be flush with the inside surface of the cabinet side?
Actually, I'm following your cabinet series closely because I want to build a couple of cabinets to go under my workbench, one on each end. In which case, I really want me face frame to be 18mm wide to be flush on to both the inside and outside of cabinet (at which point it's really just edge banding, I guess.)
I have watched the video three times. You use the "outside to outside" plus 12 mm to get a measurement for your rails. I don't see where you subtract the width of the stiles from the length of your rails to reflect the "inside to inside" of the stiles.
I am 68. I grew up using imperial and remarkably stubborn about using metric, despite how easy it is to use metric.
I always believe that anyone that expends the time and effort to post a video should not be hated upon. Particularly the jackasses that give you grief over the "scale" of the cabinet. I have built cabinets of that size to fit in a small space.
Good on you for the video.
William Laird thank you. I try not to let the negativity get to me.
Is there a reason for the overhang on the sides instead of making it flush?
Never mind, i commented before i finished and you explained it.
I found the fact you only use glue to hold the face frames very interesting. I am fairly new to woodworking and I did exactly as you did for the two face frame style cabinets I have built (glue, pin nails, clamps). My friend with ~30 years of working in cabinet shops seemed to think only relying on the glue was a bad idea, which in turn has made me concerned for the longevity of to two cabinets I have made. The oldest one is just over 2 years old now and both are holding up with no signs of failure so I am curious if you have ever had problems with glue failure / face frame separation using this method? I am planing on building the cabinets for my kitchen remodel so thanks for sharing you methods!
So far I have not. I usually use dominos for face frames but I know not everyone has a domino. I believe the one I did in the video was glue and pocket holes as well
@@bentswoodworking In this video you only showed using the glue and pin nails. A domino is not an option for me, pocket holes and/or dowels would be my best bet. I would need to make something to test how practical dowels would be for attaching face frames. I would be interested to see how you would cover the side of the cabinet if one end of that cabinet was exposed as a show face. I have seen people just use high grade plywood for the cabinet construction so that it is the show face and I have seen raised panels used. I am not sure what other options there are and how you would meet the face frame for a clean joint.
Lloyd Simmons I thought you were referring to the construction of the face frame in which I did use pocket holes. But now I see you’re talking about attaching the actual face frame to the cabinet carcass. Are used glue and paint nails because I don’t feel anything else is necessary. I did say that I would use clamps to hold it in place until the glue dried and the pin nails are use simply to stop it from shifting while I am trying to get it in clamps. As for an expose side it would just be painted or stained
Was there a reason why the insides of the cabinets were not flush with the frame? That way you did not need to add the ply on the inside??
Face frame cabinets will not be flush.
Hi, I've got a kitchen cabinet that was designed to hold a microwave oven. The opening is 22 inches wide. We just bought a new microwave oven but it is 24 inches wide. Although the opening to the cabinet is 22 inches, the cavity is 26 inches wide. Therefore to make it fit I need to remove a portion of the face frame on each side. I don't have any woodworking skills so I would like to know how I can saw off a portion of each side of the face frame. Thank you.
Jig saw, track saw, or a straight edge with a router
@@bentswoodworking Thank you.
Do you find dominos faster that pocket holes?
I like dowels vs pocket screws
So width of face frame 42mm for 1pcs?
I think everything first attempted should be done in miniature, including building a dry stone wall. Even framing out a doghouse. Good way to make mistakes and learn for the real thing.
Agreed
I would like to know what to do with raw edges on cabinet ends. I'm trying to figure out what to do with corners. My husband started kitchen cabinets, never to be finished, and I need to see what I can do to finish them without starting all over. I have materials,hardware, etc. He didn't build them correctly i.e. didn't build a carcass. Only sides, bottom s and tops. I think I can make backs with my 1/4" plywood,but need doors, drawers, fixing raw edges. Mind you these cabinets are already in use, have been for 20 something years...partial face frames added to the begining cabinets in 2011....maybe Someday I can finish!
Dee Davis if you are referring to raw edges of plywood you would use edge banding. I have a video on my channel discussing how to apply it.
Ok thanks I will check that out
Awesome video!
It's sad you had to explain the reasoning behind the "not to scale" cabinet assembly.
I'm the other dumb, I was thinking you must be a giant.....HAHA!
Tunaslayer1 🤣🤣 fair enough. Maybe I am a giant lol
What drawer slides do you use?
Now Blum undermount
@@bentswoodworking THANK YOU VERY MUCH YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH I APPRECIATE YOUR RESPONSE
@@johnfrederickson3082 you’re very welcome!
I cannot believe that people worried about the size of the cabinet.
Oh you would be surprised how opinionated people can be
why no face frame overhang at the top of the cabinet ?
Cause this was on an example base cabinet and there is no need for one as some sort of top would be on it.
@@bentswoodworking So if this were a wall cabinet a face frame top overhang would be normal ??..... I'm from New Zealand and face frames on cabinets are not commonplace here.
You could and you couldn’t. Typically upper cabinets are going to have some sort of molding at the top. Extending the face frames allows wood to attach the molding too while maintaining even reveal on the face frame.
@@bentswoodworking Ok, thanks for the replies. Great video .... very helpful to a face frame novice. Thanks again.
Whats the benefit of the faceframe almost every American carpenter is using? Don't you loose space for the drawers inside, faceframe overhang. European cabinets are without fraceframe eg. IKEA.
Great video as always 💪
If the face frame was built flush with the inside of the cabinet wall, the downside might be that you will be hoping that the wall of the cabinet is true and does not waver from top to bottom therore frame and cabinet wall align perfectly. Also, if you cut the face frame to essentially the width of your cabinet wall thickness plus give it the 6mm overhang as this guy did, then the face frame would look not as robust. I wondered the same question as you did though.
Link to hinges??
They were from Rockler. There may be a link in the description but I’m not sure.
Jason, dubstep hurt ears. Good series though! Do frameless and especially edge banding and what it does / doesn't do for measuring (and when in the process you would edgeband)
I do have videos on edge banding. Also, I will have various video series dedicated to cabinets coming soon.
The entire world uses metric and even anything scientific here in the US uses metric, still makes me wonder why we use imperial with all the fractions
John yeah it is a little strange
Seems like you missed an important step. How did you determine the length of the vertical pieces? Thinking about it, seems you want to determine the width of the vertical pieces first, then subtract that width x 2 from opening + overhang but I'm not certain because you completely skipped that part.