Hey Everyone, I have had a lot of people comment about my thoughts about not being involved in the docuseries despite being interviewed by Amazon. I thought I would just say that I'm glad that the voices of the victims were heard in this series. My personal experience with Amazon was not positive, but that doesn't change the product of the series that they put out. I am glad the people that were hurt by the IBLP had a chance to share their side of the story and their pain. That is power. My biggest complaint is Jim & Bobye Holt's involvement in this series. I warned Amazon about JIm and his history and they refused to listen. Jim went on a months long rampage turning sources against me, including Amy & Deanna Duggar. The ensuing chaos of Jim's lies against me, I can only assume led to me being too much of a headache for Amazon to deal with. Jim didn't want me involved because I know the truth about him. Jim Holt is, in my opinion, one of the scariest men I've ever encountered, a pathological liar, abuser, and more strict than Jim Bob Duggar. Do not be fooled. The Holt children lived in just much fear, isolation and silence as the Duggars. My heart aches that the people telling Josh's side of the story are such utterly terrible people. I wish they could have found more honest people to speak to. I'll soldier on. It's not about me. I just hope that Karma catches up with Jim Holt in time. it's massively brave of the survivors for speaking out. So I'm grateful they finally got a platform. Ultimately that matters more to me than my own involvement. Katie
The Holts' legal order against Jim validates your warning, Katie. As I watched them on the docuseries, it made me really upset to see Jim Holt, knowing he is no better than JB. And so many questions remain.
I really wish you were in this documentary. 😔 Amazon dropped the ball on this one. It would have complemented this documentary well. It would have been good for people who don't watch you on RUclips to get your perspective. With all the sources you have and the extensive reporting and research you do, it would have made the documentary much better.
Katy, I'm outraged that the Holts were made a part of this empactful documentary. They may have removed themselves from the IBLP but it wasn't because they didn't believe in the cult....they totally adhere to those standards. It was because they couldn't afford the exorbitant fees that inclusion required. They are just as evil as the Duggars. Their breakup with the Duggars was because Jim Bob won the pissing contest between these two narcissistic, controlling, deviant "Men of God".
I remember when Jill and Derek made all those flights back and forth from El Salvador. There was a lot of criticism and speculation that they were misapprptiating mission funds. Now we know why they did that.
When I was a kid we went to the institute in basic life principles every year. The Christian school I went to would give no homework that week and let us off early. I didn't know how much the IBLP had affected me and my self image until I just watched Shiny Happy People. I started getting physically sick to my stomach and when my husband came home I was in tears. I tried to explain to him but I just told him to watch it because it explains it better. It did groom me and I was taken advantage of by someone. That umbrella thing was burned into my skull when I was a kid.
I hope you find peace, and whatever healing is needed. I'm very sorry that happened to you. Adults have no right to allow a lifetime of pain to be inflicted onto children!✌️❤️
I binge watched it all, and I cannot believe what they are allowed to get away with. Absolutely vile cult. Jill and Derrick were amazing. My heart went out to her. I'm so glad she has a husband who loves and respects her, and let's her heal.
Right?! I think Jinger and Jeremy are super fake but Jill and Derick are HONEST. That is a trait foreign to a Duggar. And now Jim Bob is scrambling for his replacement. Looks like Jed and Katey are the William and Kate for the Duggars.
@Alejandra Alejandra right?! I didn't think it possible that any of these women would end up with a partner outside of the cult. Only Jill did. Bless her! Jessa is with a pussy, Joy is with a controlling narcissist, Jinger is with a fame monger...I'm team Jill.
You would have thought they would have had a notary around when it was signed and they could have confirmed she was able to sign for the kids. I don't get it.
That you're not involved in the Amazon documentary is their loss, Katie. You're the first one I go to for truthful content. Thank you for working so hard to keep us informed.
I just finished the documentary and am blown away by the courage of these former members. They are AMAZING! Jill and Derrick are vulnerable, strong, kind and defiant (in the best way) and I hope they can continue to share their story. I hope all of them continue to share their stories! 🙌🏻🙌🏻
What a nightmare situtation! A father that would put his own children under a legal contract to exploit them for the rest of their lives?! There have got to be some entertainment lawyers who could find the loophole in this and save these children.
@@kathyglass2922 He probably does, but that doesn’t mean his in-laws will believe him. Lifelong indoctrination is hellish to overcome, especially when one is financially dependent on one’s abuser. 😢
Jill, I am so proud of you for your writing the book and speaking out on your truth. You are a strong, intelligent, loving mom and so much more. Don't let the turkeys get you down. You deserve to choose your own life. Much happiness to you.
I love Jill. She seems to be the sanest one in the family. Jim Bob is a greedy, sleezy narcissistic. He's a millionaire and his kids have to use food stamps. SMH, who does that to their children. I'd give my son my last penny rather than do something like that!
I'd like to see something be done about the fraudulent misuse of SNAP and any other government programs that were used. Problem is, it won't happen. In light of that, I hope every person who bitches about welfare fraud learn about this case and become vocal about how this ultra conservative fundy pulled the wool over their eyes. Not gonna happen but if Jimbo was an honest man, he could pay back the aid given to the kids and show he is a "christian" by paying back the law abiding citizens of this country.
@@veritaslux644 yes he raised a kid who touches his sisters and other people inappropriately. And also indulges in CP and cheated on his wife. Also while not protecting their other children and making them feel like it was their fault. Yes they are stand up parents!!
It appears forgery and fraud arent the only crimes they are guilty of. Add to that child abuse, literal exploitation and neglect. I ponder what a Jim Duggar tax return looks like?
I just watched the full series and wasn't that surprised how everyone was treated and so glad that the people whom got out could smile again and so sad they went through that. Wish there was season 2. I was actually very surprised that Bobye Holt was allowed to be vocal and allowed to mention about Josh in the courtroom.
I binge watched it all today! Jill was always my favorite, im so proud of you Jill & Derrick as well! Thank you for telling the truth,its about time somone did. We all knew yrs ago this whole thing was shady as all heck.
Great documentary! I was glad they reviewed all the Duggar background at the beginning. It reminded me of how much my opinion of them has changed! I hope it will make people think twice before they look for so-called easy answers! Jim Bob and TLC need to be held accountable for spreading all these lies!
Then make so they can’t do any other work and have to go on food stamps to feed their children and themselves. Jim Booby is definitely not an example of Christianity!
Jill is one of the STRONGEST women ever!! It’s evident she has taken the steps to heal. She is so well-rounded for someone who has endured what she has. She would make a terrific therapist!
Watching a lot of this documentary was shocking and yet not because I've been watching your channel regularly for YEARS so I feel like I was so versed and prepared! Like "Yep Katie already said that, I'm not surprised. Sounds right." Over and over through the whole documentary. Well done.
Exactly!!!! I felt the same way while watching this series. Katie has been saying these things for years now! Bravo to Katie for educating us before the REAL TRUTH was mainstream. Thank you so much. Katie Joy!
OMG!! I’d sue Jimmy Bobby & TLC in a heartbeat!! I’d write a tell all too! How foolish of Jim Bob & Michelle, didn’t they realize that at least one of their kids was gonna grow up & speak out. And now they are!! Go Jill Go!!!!!!!
Jinger and Jeremy moving across the country now makes more sense now than just seminary school for Jeremy There’s Seminary schools all over the country 😢 the kids obviously felt they HAD to get away from Shelly and JB😢
I think Jim Bob was hoping to get his paws on the IBLP leadership and fortune as his main goal! And taking those birth tapes with no permission from Jill. Can’t even list all their crimes. AND…., they had to have ice cream cups for her wedding reception. Bet Jim got lots of money for that wedding
Shame on TLC, they were just as guilty in employing the children. The children should take legal action against the company. It's so sad to see just how manipulated all the children really are. Takes a lot of courage to speak out. Just shows what having real Faith can do!
TLC shurley knew exploitation was going on. How could they not? Did they drop paperwork to be signed and pick it up later? I don't think so. For it to be on the up and up legal representation protocol should have been used. They are fully aware of the exploitation of child actors since the dawn of TV. Not like it's hush hush.
Normal people educate and prepare their kids to go out into the world, to be able to be independent and sucessful as adults. Enslaving your own family members is NOT normal!!! I doubt that such contracts would be upheld in court and hopefully one of them will take it to court to find out. Lifetime agreements remind me of Scientology's Billion year contracts. Dugger kids need to FLEE from the umbrella, it's so refreshing to dance in the rain!
I felt so sad and angry for the brave victims that spoke out on this series. I want to send them my love and admiration for their courage and hard work.
That documentary is down right scary. The last video scared me the most. I think the real stars were the non-Duggar IBLP victims who somehow managed to get out of the horrific cult. They must have had incredible therapists as they seemed so “normal.” You can tell Jill is still trying to recover.
@@alice_rabbit8345 Well to be fair, Scientology has people sign billion years contracts meant to keep them in thrall of Scientology long, long after their death. I don’t know about Tom Cruise and his level of commitment to Scientology, but I know Leah Remini has spoken about how she was forced to sign it when she was a child. Now she knows better but back then she did whatever Scientology and her parents told her to do. Like working full time when she was 12. Once she became an established actress (Saved By The Bell, King of Queens), she willingly signed over millions of dollars to Scientology, that’s how indoctrinated she was before she woke up to the fraud that is called Scientology. Her leaving and becoming a SP (Supressive Person) has split her family apart. Her mother who is high up in Scientology has broken all contact with her as well as other relatives still in the cult. Leah and Jill have much in common with each other, their lives are parallel, and I’m very glad that they were able to get out alive and speak the truth. Just a few days ago, Danny Masterson (That 70’s Show), a lifelong member was found guilty of r*pe and will be in prison for a long time just like Josh. His victims were bullied and harassed by the “church” even though they were Scientology members (most have been able to leave Scientology). Sadly, not all of his victims were vindicated in the trial, and there are plenty of his victims who were outside the statute of limitations. At least now people know about Danny and his crimes, I just wished the media had paid more attention to his trial.
The "reality" show itself was a FRAUD, while the parents, their production co. & TLC were committing actual FRAUD. They ALL should be held accountable.
As someone who grew up with these teachings it’s so refreshing to see this documentary. It’s available to a wife range of people. And it’s very validating to hear people that actually did experience this explain it. So grateful they were brave enough to step up and out!
If I were any of the kids under contract & wanted to get out, I'd immediately adopt the strategy of "sure dad. You can film me. But you're not going to like the footage..." and then proceed to publicly unite with my sisters, leave the iblp, and give Jimboob & Michelle a big middle finger for the final shot before handing it all over. "Here's your season dad! When do i get to film the next one?!?" If only.
We did their cabinets and JimBob would continue to ask to pay less and less. I was struggling to stay in business. And i made decisions out of desperation but I had let him know that (for instance) I was giving him $40,000 worth of cabinets for $30,000. He would look far away. Take a deep breath and say that it was out of his budget. And then sit on it until I would give in, needing the work and payroll made. . And he’d have interior decorators hired who really dressed up the cabinet style. So I believe I actually paid for her services with the money he was talking about being over budget: 🤬
Thats how he paid ppl that worked for him - nickel & dime em to death when they were struggling to pay lite bills, rent, employees, etc. A smug skinflint.
I waited (im)patiently all week to binge watch this. I also went into this knowing it was about more than just the Duggars. I knew that they were just the catalyst for launching IBLP into the main stream media, and thus, exposing the darker facets of the cult as a whole. With that said, I really liked this docuseries, and the perspectives of others' stories that we may not have ever heard had it not been for the Duggars. I think it brought about a broader picture of the cult, of Gothard's ungodly ways, and the manipulations that run rampant in the beliefs of the cult. I have so much respect for the victims/survivors that can speak out against the only life they once knew. I wish them all the love and support going forward in their journey of healing and living their best lives.
It absolutely blows my mind that parents would do this to their kids. As a young adult, my parents would guide me through legal documents (my first job contract, my first home purchase, etc) but they would have NEVER tried to make me sign something without telling me what it was. As a parent, I make decisions for my young children, but as soon as they are old enough to have a say in things impacting their lives, we will discuss it. What horrible parents.
Because he definitely doesn't see women as human beings. They're objects to be exploited. And as for his son's I just think that he doesn't care about them
Yes and he is the opposite of what a Christian should be. I’m so mad I’m about ready to find his house and picket. I bet I could get ppl to go with me. (I live in Arkansas, no close but not the opposite end of the state either)
I just watched Shiny Happy People and I have got to be honest, I have a million feelings going through my head. Like one being my heart breaks for the Duggar children and all of the other children past and present. I am angry and disgusted and many more feelings about all that has happened to these people by Bill Gothard, and then to find out he was never married or had a child! That is just WILD to me. I pray that all the people who hurt these children and young adults karma bites them.
You would think with the contract revelations that the state attorneys office could file some sort of fraud and/or child labor charges against JB if they're still within the statute of limitations. Also, a LIFETIME contract... Is that even legal???
That whole series was disturbing. A lot we already knew from you and others on youtube, but there were new details. That video of little Josie saying "instant obedience" was scary. The fact that in the IBLP, kids are punished by spanking into adult hood and that wives are punished the same way was horrible. The older girls wrote their book Growing Up Duggar before any of them were married. Did they get to sign their own contracts for the book or was it though JB's company? I am guessing that they did not get money through that, but I am not sure.
I'm sure TLC being involved had signed documents protecting these two cash cows. Better to let it go and live your own kind of life. It is quite sick how these children were raised but every time one of them write a tell all we all know what we suspected all along was true
I watched all the episodes already, and honestly I was expecting a little more. I think most people that have followed this family and looked into the iblp and gothard already knew all of this. It was interesting to hear the survivors though and I’m glad they had a platform to share their stories. I think Jill’s book will go into more detail.
I agree. This series wasn't really intended for those of us who follow Fundy groups in the media. There wasn't a lot of revelations that we hadn't been already aware of or at least suspected. Another of it was simple confirmation. For those viewers who may have only known the Duggars in name only or perhaps only watched a few episodes, it will be eye opening and shocking. The purpose of the series should be to validate the victims voices in a wider public platform.
I know of a couple of families who prided themselves on raising the kids under strict controls and when the kids are now grown the kids have all rebelled and the families blew totally apart. So sad. the Duggars are going to deconstruct too. Its one thing when kids are little; another when they grow to be adults with their own families.
This IBLP is complicated, and so many crimes are being done under that umbrella. JB is a delusional person, and I am so sad for his children. The documentary explained why it is almost impossible to speak out because of the cult mentality. So sad. They covered alot though out the documentary, and I think they did a really good job.
I have not watched any of the Dugger shows. I have heard a lot about them and may have saw an episode here or there. But you are clearing up a lot of questions I had. I started following you for Sister wives info I’m glad you are doing this family also. Thank you for all you do! Keep up the good work!
Derrick Dillard is his own man, with his own education, and is a LEGITIMATE part of society working as a lawyer, not trying to control anyone, least of all his wife (at least that I can see). I think he realizes the potential that Jill has and that Jim Bob and Michelle also recognized and were unable to take control of, and Jim Bob is PISSED about it all. With the right barracuda of a law firm I think they can go after Michelle for fraudulently signing Jill's (and the other adult children's) name to contracts. I also think that contract Jill didn't remember signing was actually added on to after Jill signed her name, hence her not remembering some things that were outlined. Con artists do this all the time. They have you just sign your name and date it, not noticing the amount of blank space left on the pages you are signing above your signature. Derrick should not just let this sit, and perhaps he hasn't, but just has a law firm in the background quietly digging up evidence. Jim Bob is a crook through and through, and is more crooked than smart, so I know there are a lot of criminal goings on in his minicult just waiting for someone to prosecute.
Yes and there has to be a meeting of the minds for a contract to be valid. It would be pretty easy to prove that there was not a meeting of the minds for Jill.
I just watched the Docuseries on the Duggars. Jim Bob and Michelle will have to answer to a higher up. I can't wait to see what happens to the kids when Jim Bob is no longer here. I praise Jill and Derek, Amy and her husband, Deanna and all the others who were able to tell their stories. Katie Jo, I love the incite to what you cover and hope to see more on this issue and IBLP. Shout out to Jill for standing up for her rights, not only to the IBLP, but to her dad. She should be proud. I just bought of your Mamma Bear Sweet Shirt.
The fact that they made them leave a mission trip is fucking sickening. Like Im and atheist and I don't like religion but I know how much charity is done on those mission trips and I know how spiritual and meaningful it is to people who are religious. Absolutely disgusting
I binged the docuseries last night, only to be disappointed to learn nothing more than I already learned from watching your videos in the last 2-3 years.
I am shocked with how these parents are treating their children, I see at least 19 counts of abuse, child, adults. I am totally sickened with the call of blanket training. I will be sick for ever more if I hear Michelle talk in baby talk. This is abuse and TLC is also accountable for it.
About the documentary: they had an archive video of Bill G bringing some random kid up on stage to demonstrate spanking. So disturbing. Why would ANY parent let another adult do that to their kid even if it was for show and wasn't full force?
They need to take action against JB and Michelle for fraud. But the other kids won't. Very clever of JB to have Jill and some of the other kids sign a document as they were thinking of Jill's wedding and rushing out the door to get there. And they have blind obedience. The others will be locked in for life. 😠
I watched the series…. Frightening!!! I can’t stand to hear Michelle’s voice and manor of talking. I would love to see her reclaim an honest true voice!
I was so proud of Jill & Derek in the docuseries and I’m sure it was hard for her to reveal the truth but she did a great job…I just feel so bad for her having to be FORCED into be estranged from her family when she’s done nothing wrong. The show really revealed a lot more dirt than I had expected but I wasn’t the least bit surprised about what was exposed. I can only imagine the lies and coverups that JB & Michelle have to tell the younger kids about all of this, however the younger kids will eventually want to know the truth which will turn into a 3 ring circus. Both Duggar parents make me sick and the thought of Michelle applying that type of physical abuse is horrifying but it seems like there was some misinformation about the blanket training because I remember Michelle saying in some other RUclips video that she starts blanket training around 3 months old and I also saw another documentary awhile ago (can’t remember the name of it) but it is true that the wife’s and adult kid’s are also punished and beaten with wooden paddles and spoons…I’m just totally mortified and sickened about how mentally insane those people in that whole cult truly are…they are very scary people!
Without any spoilers I will say I really love the way they present to the documentary because and made it extremely easy to understand why Josh is Josh and why we should be so concerned that there are thousands and thousands and thousands of him around right now.
Not surprised to hear any of this. When it was stated that the kids had "lifetime contracts" it reminded me of the very recent trial of Danny Masterson & how Scientology influenced him & those involved in Scientology. Some of the members in the upper ranks signed "Billion year contracts" which sounds just as absurd, if not more so, than lifetime contracts. Talk about controlling people. :0
I’m a father of 3 & would give my kids the shirt off my back & the last dollar in my pocket. I would do w/o so my kids could have. JimBob is despicable & will someday share a cell w/ Josh! The Dugger kids need to unite, get a lawyer & kick some ass! They could takedown that CULT & TLC too! The people will stand w/ them! Like they did w/ Johnny Depp! Not a doubt in my mind or heart!
I hope the series will continue b/c Jill and her hubby didn't say enough about what happened with Josh. It was a good series and really opened my eyes to the abuse of their religion, but you could tell that Jill is hurting and whatever he did to her and the sisters had to be really bad. Jill's hubby is supportive and you can tell that he stands up for Jill but I want to hear the entire story. JB and his wife are selfish, abusive, toxic, horrible parents, greedy, and much more. The other former members of their cult did a great job of educating the public about the abuse within the church.
Yes. I agree, but Jill shouldn't have to tell us what exactly happened to her unless she wishes to. I know its a no win situation, but she doesn't have to explain anything.
You have come so far since you took back your life. I am so happy for you. One of the best moves you made was getting married to Derick Dillard. You got a winner as did he get a winner in you. God bless you and your family.
Hi there!! Thanx for spreading the truth!!! I think how the kids are being treated is criminal. Its scary!!! I do pray for this family!!! Im impressed how knowledgeable you are, and you are not being a tabloid person. I just now hit the subscribe button .
It’s just so hard to stomach all these details about Jim Bob. The way he controls his children and adult children is not healthy or normal. Sometimes I wonder he’s like this due to his upbringing with poverty… therefore he needs money even at the expense of having his children sign a lifetime contract. That is just not normal at all to take money from adult children for years and control every move they make. Feel really bad for Jill that her parents showed more support to Josh than their own daughters being victimized.
I watch a lot of true crime videos which fascinate me - but this documentary! I honestly couldn't watch this series without having time-out breaks in between each episode. I'm amazed how amazing and strong the survivors are. My eyes were certainly opened and gave me more compassion for Anna. To have all your will beaten out of you. 'Blanket training' broke my heart. To imagine attempting that practice on my son (or any child) at six months old; just as he's growing awareness and wonder at the world around him. Heartbreaking. My (now ten year old) son is Autistic, strong willed and speaks up if he doesn't like something - and I thank God my son has that freedom, free will and is a little rebel. In return I have a loving, enthusiastic and brilliant little boy who follows his own heart. I hope more victims find the strength to escape to freedom - and parents wise up to the dangers of raising submissive children and women. Absolutely heartbreaking. 😢💔
First I’d like to say the voice overs are just fine. The content is so important. You’ve invested all your time, energy, research and reported respectfully. I have four adult kids that are happy, married with wonderful children of their own. Many people believe “18 and Out”. I raised them and explained,, “ You can stay home if you go to college or tech school with a part time job. If you stay home and party, you will have to move.” Simple, clear and respectful. Each graduated College two of which have Masters Degrees. Two graduated in four years not five yrs. Like Michelle I was a stay at home mom, my then husband was a narcissist like Jim Bob. Our income was that of a high school counselor. Hot Dogs not steaks. Sometimes no buns so a slice of bread was fine. We weren’t poor, kids were fine. They understood money because I taught them how to manage and balance a check book by age ten. Jim Bob has proven to be a stingy narcissist, who progressively got Michelle to be incredibly submissive as well as all the girls. I watched their show and saw that the girls and Michelle were made to feel basically empty headed without self esteem. Jim Bob is a misery cheap monster towards the girls. A compound the kids contributed to be it building, repairing all of that without pay is inexcusable and criminal. If I was managing, Each would be paying less than half the market value of said properties, or let’s say dirt cheap so the kids could get a leg up to do what makes them happy and productive. Yes criminal forgeries and out right cheating the kids is maniacal and selfish. Wish the hammer comes down on Jim Bobs hands and PAYS the kids their FAIR SHARE !!! To have to sue your own father is so sad but absolutely necessary. Jim Bob don’t be surprised none of the kids have your back. They will abandon your sorry ass. Pay them each accordingly with interest. God sees you. We see you. Smarten up Pay Up and be humble. Be grateful they still call you Dad. Cry and repent. It’s all on you.
I watched all the episodes of the documentary. I wasn't surprised. What was eye-opening to me...all this rhetoric is what we were taught at the Christian school I attended for 7-8th grade! Almost verbatim right down to the book To Train a Child! And, no. I was not raised this way. The principal, who apparently agreed with these teachings, called MY DAD into the school office & told my Dad how to govern me, as his daughter! I'm not sure what my Dad said to the principal, but the principal more or less left me alone, LOL!
I finished the series. What interested me me more was that others had their opportunity to tell their stories. It gave them back their voice as Jane Doe 3 said it best. I want to make sure they have a platform to be heard, whether publicly or privately. I hope it gives them a strength of courage to do so. I am not only boycotting TLC but Discovery Network which includes Warner Brothers. I cannot support media that protects men like Bill, Jim Bob, Josh, and the like.
I thought they missed an opportunity by asking Jill about Josh when they could have asked whether her parents ever hit her, ever screamed at her when the cameras were off, etc.
When my grandson was involved in acting the studios put all earnings in savings acct trusts in the children’s names to be released when the child was 18. Yes grandma had to sign he could work but grandson got $ set up by studios. I think TLC carries some of the blame for fraudulent contracts.
Everytime I think JB couldn't be lower or more devious, another piece of information about his actions comes to light which shows that he is even worse than I thought. How low can a man go than to make his children lifelong indentured servants? If it was a lawyer (and not JB) who wrote up this contract he should be disbarred. Slavery is illegal in the US.
That sounds like a breach in the child labor laws. But I highly doubt that any of the kids would look into this. If children are in movies or tv shows they can only work minimal hours reality shows should also have these safe guards
hey katie, came across this video of yours here on youtube; watched all 4 episodes of the docuseries on amazon prime video. it was very quite interesting to watch. i’m utterly disgusted how jimbob has done that with the contract jill mentions she had to sign, wow! jimbob seems like a very manipulative and selfish person, wow! can not wait to get jill’s book when it comes out next year, pre ordered it, already have a copy of jinger’s book. i hope and pray some of the adult children will come forward and tell their side. i absolutely feel sorry for the duggar kids on what really happened behind closed doors, truely sad and disgusting🥹 can’t wait to hear jill’s side of what happened behind closed doors.
Hey Everyone,
I have had a lot of people comment about my thoughts about not being involved in the docuseries despite being interviewed by Amazon. I thought I would just say that I'm glad that the voices of the victims were heard in this series. My personal experience with Amazon was not positive, but that doesn't change the product of the series that they put out. I am glad the people that were hurt by the IBLP had a chance to share their side of the story and their pain. That is power.
My biggest complaint is Jim & Bobye Holt's involvement in this series. I warned Amazon about JIm and his history and they refused to listen. Jim went on a months long rampage turning sources against me, including Amy & Deanna Duggar. The ensuing chaos of Jim's lies against me, I can only assume led to me being too much of a headache for Amazon to deal with. Jim didn't want me involved because I know the truth about him. Jim Holt is, in my opinion, one of the scariest men I've ever encountered, a pathological liar, abuser, and more strict than Jim Bob Duggar. Do not be fooled. The Holt children lived in just much fear, isolation and silence as the Duggars.
My heart aches that the people telling Josh's side of the story are such utterly terrible people. I wish they could have found more honest people to speak to.
I'll soldier on. It's not about me. I just hope that Karma catches up with Jim Holt in time.
it's massively brave of the survivors for speaking out. So I'm grateful they finally got a platform. Ultimately that matters more to me than my own involvement.
Katie
The Holts' legal order against Jim validates your warning, Katie. As I watched them on the docuseries, it made me really upset to see Jim Holt, knowing he is no better than JB. And so many questions remain.
wow hes worser / stricter than jim bob , my goodness. now thats horrible.
Thanks KJ!
I really wish you were in this documentary. 😔 Amazon dropped the ball on this one. It would have complemented this documentary well. It would have been good for people who don't watch you on RUclips to get your perspective. With all the sources you have and the extensive reporting and research you do, it would have made the documentary much better.
Katy, I'm outraged that the Holts were made a part of this empactful documentary. They may have removed themselves from the IBLP but it wasn't because they didn't believe in the cult....they totally adhere to those standards. It was because they couldn't afford the exorbitant fees that inclusion required. They are just as evil as the Duggars. Their breakup with the Duggars was because Jim Bob won the pissing contest between these two narcissistic, controlling, deviant "Men of God".
I love how Jill no longer just gazes adoringly at Derick just because he is talking. Shows some healing.
I noticed how the wives look up adoringly up to their husbands in these type of videos.
Exactly
She actually interrupted him a few times which I thought was interesting. Like she had a thought and it was coming out.
Yes, a man can't have self esteem and manliness without his helpmeet there to straighten his spine and uplift. IBLP are Man Baby Pigs. 🐖🐽
I liked how she would interject while he was talking.
I remember when Jill and Derek made all those flights back and forth from El Salvador. There was a lot of criticism and speculation that they were misapprptiating mission funds. Now we know why they did that.
Yes. I wrote them and apologized because I razzed them bad!
When I was a kid we went to the institute in basic life principles every year. The Christian school I went to would give no homework that week and let us off early. I didn't know how much the IBLP had affected me and my self image until I just watched Shiny Happy People. I started getting physically sick to my stomach and when my husband came home I was in tears. I tried to explain to him but I just told him to watch it because it explains it better. It did groom me and I was taken advantage of by someone. That umbrella thing was burned into my skull when I was a kid.
I hope you find peace, and whatever healing is needed. I'm very sorry that happened to you. Adults have no right to allow a lifetime of pain to be inflicted onto children!✌️❤️
So happy for you to be aware and healing. We are not responsible for what was done to us as children.
I would like to see charges brought against Michelle & Jim Bob. They need consequences for what they have done!!
ME TOO!
They belong in PRISON.
@@kaylandry3142 I totally agree. FEDERAL PRISON!
First off having that many kids should be illegal. Then abusing them mentally & physically is another type of abuse.
And the kids should be removed from that house of horrors.
I binge watched it all, and I cannot believe what they are allowed to get away with. Absolutely vile cult. Jill and Derrick were amazing. My heart went out to her. I'm so glad she has a husband who loves and respects her, and let's her heal.
Right?! I think Jinger and Jeremy are super fake but Jill and Derick are HONEST. That is a trait foreign to a Duggar. And now Jim Bob is scrambling for his replacement. Looks like Jed and Katey are the William and Kate for the Duggars.
Now I understand WHY REALLY " too sweet" Michelle adopted her nefew...😳
@@LisaKoffler Lisa koeffler is part of duggars and also big troll here and all over, ALWAYS stands for duggars
@Alejandra Alejandra right?! I didn't think it possible that any of these women would end up with a partner outside of the cult. Only Jill did. Bless her! Jessa is with a pussy, Joy is with a controlling narcissist, Jinger is with a fame monger...I'm team Jill.
@@lisawebb846 I can’t stand Jessa and she married a boy. Now he’s stuck.
There needs to be an enquiry into the exploitation of the children and fraudulent contracts.
All the children deserve to be paid for being used
TLC needs to be held accountable as well.
Exactly TLC should be held accountable for this bc it was their contract. Total Lunatic Company
You would have thought they would have had a notary around when it was signed and they could have confirmed she was able to sign for the kids. I don't get it.
Ironic Jim bobs company is called Mad Family.
Mic drop 🤔🤷♀️
Isnt it ironic.. Noone was there to protect the kids' interest bzness wise,,noone.
That you're not involved in the Amazon documentary is their loss, Katie. You're the first one I go to for truthful content. Thank you for working so hard to keep us informed.
I just finished the documentary and am blown away by the courage of these former members. They are AMAZING! Jill and Derrick are vulnerable, strong, kind and defiant (in the best way) and I hope they can continue to share their story. I hope all of them continue to share their stories! 🙌🏻🙌🏻
Can they not press charges against Michelle for forging those contracts?
Oh yes, please somebody do it. Her and her sweet talking voice. A wolf in sheep’s clothing. Shams shame shame Michelle! A very sad excuse for a mum.
It seems like those documents would not even be legally binding for those Michelle signed for that were no longer minors!
@@jacobus57 what about a civil suit against the parents?
I mean.. If any of our suggestions would work, Derrick the lawyer should already be on them. What would he be waiting for?
just finished the documentary, and i thought it was so well done. my heart breaks for all the IBLP survivors featured in it. they were so brave.
What a nightmare situtation! A father that would put his own children under a legal contract to exploit them for the rest of their lives?! There have got to be some entertainment lawyers who could find the loophole in this and save these children.
At the very least void the contracts where Michelle signed FOR them when they were adults.
At age 18, those contracts are not enforceable.
Derrick, the lawyer ought to know this.
@@kathyglass2922 He probably does, but that doesn’t mean his in-laws will believe him. Lifelong indoctrination is hellish to overcome, especially when one is financially dependent on one’s abuser. 😢
I just don't understand how this dirty man jb able to use the Holly name of God in his life...same did his golden one while searching fame and money
@@marshatolbert154 sound like somebody from TLC is part of jb's church like
I admire Jill’s strength to speak out to the truth with the way she was raised that took so much strength and courage 💜💜
So glad Jill is living HER best life. JB should be ashamed of himself for what he has done to his daughters!
Jill, I am so proud of you for your writing the book and speaking out on your truth. You are a strong, intelligent, loving mom and so much more. Don't let the turkeys get you down. You deserve to choose your own life. Much happiness to you.
I love Jill. She seems to be the sanest one in the family. Jim Bob is a greedy, sleezy narcissistic. He's a millionaire and his kids have to use food stamps. SMH, who does that to their children. I'd give my son my last penny rather than do something like that!
Jim Bob AND Michelle’s greed unreal. Again Michelle does not get a pass. Michelle commits FORGERY!!!!
I'd like to see something be done about the fraudulent misuse of SNAP and any other government programs that were used. Problem is, it won't happen. In light of that, I hope every person who bitches about welfare fraud learn about this case and become vocal about how this ultra conservative fundy pulled the wool over their eyes. Not gonna happen but if Jimbo was an honest man, he could pay back the aid given to the kids and show he is a "christian" by paying back the law abiding citizens of this country.
And I bet he feels like all the kids that didn’t sign the contract. Left the umbrella of protection so what is happening to them is well deserved 🙄
@@veritaslux644 yes he raised a kid who touches his sisters and other people inappropriately. And also indulges in CP and cheated on his wife. Also while not protecting their other children and making them feel like it was their fault. Yes they are stand up parents!!
@@veritaslux644 Wow! You are either brainwashed by the IBLP or YOU are and IBLP wackjob cultist.
It appears forgery and fraud arent the only crimes they are guilty of. Add to that child abuse, literal exploitation and neglect. I ponder what a Jim Duggar tax return looks like?
My guess is that the adult kids could file fraud charges which they will most likely never have the courage to do.
and child neglect and violating child labor laws
@@rncook2471 It's the state of Arkansas. The pathetic Governor Sanders just signed a bill to make it child labor...ie...exploiting children EASIER.
I just watched the full series and wasn't that surprised how everyone was treated and so glad that the people whom got out could smile again and so sad they went through that. Wish there was season 2.
I was actually very surprised that Bobye Holt was allowed to be vocal and allowed to mention about Josh in the courtroom.
@@LisaKoffler
Oh yes agree, just surprised that Jim allowed her to have a voice , that's all. I would have done the same thing as Bobye.
I binge watched it all today! Jill was always my favorite, im so proud of you Jill & Derrick as well! Thank you for telling the truth,its about time somone did. We all knew yrs ago this whole thing was shady as all heck.
Great documentary! I was glad they reviewed all the Duggar background at the beginning. It reminded me of how much my opinion of them has changed! I hope it will make people think twice before they look for so-called easy answers! Jim Bob and TLC need to be held accountable for spreading all these lies!
What father would cheat their children out of money. Only JB and Michelle went along with it. HOW CRUEL!! These two are not Christians!!!!
Shades of Jim Jones and or the Branch Dividians.
Then make so they can’t do any other work and have to go on food stamps to feed their children and themselves. Jim Booby is definitely not an example of Christianity!
I can’t imagine.
my family stole my inheritance too.. it happens..
@@cby63 No doubt, Jill is disinherited.
Despite all I knew about the Duggar’s I was still sickened
Jill is one of the STRONGEST women ever!! It’s evident she has taken the steps to heal. She is so well-rounded for someone who has endured what she has. She would make a terrific therapist!
Watching a lot of this documentary was shocking and yet not because I've been watching your channel regularly for YEARS so I feel like I was so versed and prepared! Like "Yep Katie already said that, I'm not surprised. Sounds right." Over and over through the whole documentary. Well done.
Exactly!!!! I felt the same way while watching this series. Katie has been saying these things for years now! Bravo to Katie for educating us before the REAL TRUTH was mainstream. Thank you so much. Katie Joy!
OMG!! I’d sue Jimmy Bobby & TLC in a heartbeat!! I’d write a tell all too! How foolish of Jim Bob & Michelle, didn’t they realize that at least one of their kids was gonna grow up & speak out. And now they are!! Go Jill Go!!!!!!!
Jinger and Jeremy moving across the country now makes more sense now than just seminary school for Jeremy There’s Seminary schools all over the country 😢 the kids obviously felt they HAD to get away from Shelly and JB😢
Sad that the adult children do not press forgery charges against their parents.
Watched it all! Jim Bob way over compensated for his father. Terrifies me that he could ever become the powerful leader of anything such as the IBLP!
I think Jim Bob was hoping to get his paws on the IBLP leadership and fortune as his main goal! And taking those birth tapes with no permission from Jill. Can’t even list all their crimes. AND…., they had to have ice cream cups for her wedding reception. Bet Jim got lots of money for that wedding
Shame on TLC, they were just as guilty in employing the children. The children should take legal action against the company. It's so sad to see just how manipulated all the children really are. Takes a lot of courage to speak out. Just shows what having real Faith can do!
TLC shurley knew exploitation was going on. How could they not? Did they drop paperwork to be signed and pick it up later? I don't think so. For it to be on the up and up legal representation protocol should have been used. They are fully aware of the exploitation of child actors since the dawn of TV. Not like it's hush hush.
These people should not be getting away with what they have done to there children.
The atrocity of "blanket training". They should have all their children taken away.
I watched this all tonight, and it turned my stomach! This is so messed up
Normal people educate and prepare their kids to go out into the world, to be able to be independent and sucessful as adults. Enslaving your own family members is NOT normal!!! I doubt that such contracts would be upheld in court and hopefully one of them will take it to court to find out. Lifetime agreements remind me of Scientology's Billion year contracts. Dugger kids need to FLEE from the umbrella, it's so refreshing to dance in the rain!
I felt so sad and angry for the brave victims that spoke out on this series. I want to send them my love and admiration for their courage and hard work.
That documentary is down right scary. The last video scared me the most. I think the real stars were the non-Duggar IBLP victims who somehow managed to get out of the horrific cult. They must have had incredible therapists as they seemed so “normal.” You can tell Jill is still trying to recover.
What scares me is how many are in politics and want to make laws effecting us all!
Well, the other people didn’t grow up with their whole lives on television and being famous…I think that adds an extra layer that needs therapy.
They all still seem "broke" to me, so sad.
Are “lifetime contracts” even legal or legally enforceable?!
Scientology does that too.
Probably not. But the threat of legal action and the cost of hiring a lawyer to get the lawsuit dismissed can stop many people.
@@alice_rabbit8345 Well to be fair, Scientology has people sign billion years contracts meant to keep them in thrall of Scientology long, long after their death.
I don’t know about Tom Cruise and his level of commitment to Scientology, but I know Leah Remini has spoken about how she was forced to sign it when she was a child. Now she knows better but back then she did whatever Scientology and her parents told her to do. Like working full time when she was 12. Once she became an established actress (Saved By The Bell, King of Queens), she willingly signed over millions of dollars to Scientology, that’s how indoctrinated she was before she woke up to the fraud that is called Scientology. Her leaving and becoming a SP (Supressive Person) has split her family apart. Her mother who is high up in Scientology has broken all contact with her as well as other relatives still in the cult.
Leah and Jill have much in common with each other, their lives are parallel, and I’m very glad that they were able to get out alive and speak the truth.
Just a few days ago, Danny Masterson (That 70’s Show), a lifelong member was found guilty of r*pe and will be in prison for a long time just like Josh. His victims were bullied and harassed by the “church” even though they were Scientology members (most have been able to leave Scientology). Sadly, not all of his victims were vindicated in the trial, and there are plenty of his victims who were outside the statute of limitations. At least now people know about Danny and his crimes, I just wished the media had paid more attention to his trial.
@@Khrysalis01 Leah's mom left Scientology with her; they are not disconnected.
The "reality" show itself was a FRAUD, while the parents, their production co. & TLC were committing actual FRAUD. They ALL should be held accountable.
Most definitely!!
Sister Wives.. I couldn't believe that rag tag mess..
All these shows with kids.. TLC investigate them all
I meant TLC SHOULD BE INVESTIGATED IMMEDIATELY
As someone who grew up with these teachings it’s so refreshing to see this documentary. It’s available to a wife range of people. And it’s very validating to hear people that actually did experience this explain it. So grateful they were brave enough to step up and out!
If I were any of the kids under contract & wanted to get out, I'd immediately adopt the strategy of "sure dad. You can film me. But you're not going to like the footage..." and then proceed to publicly unite with my sisters, leave the iblp, and give Jimboob & Michelle a big middle finger for the final shot before handing it all over.
"Here's your season dad! When do i get to film the next one?!?"
If only.
“Jim boob.” 😂😂
We did their cabinets and JimBob would continue to ask to pay less and less. I was struggling to stay in business. And i made decisions out of desperation but I had let him know that (for instance) I was giving him $40,000 worth of cabinets for $30,000. He would look far away. Take a deep breath and say that it was out of his budget. And then sit on it until I would give in, needing the work and payroll made. . And he’d have interior decorators hired who really dressed up the cabinet style. So I believe I actually paid for her services with the money he was talking about being over budget: 🤬
So sorry
Thats how he paid ppl that worked for him - nickel & dime em to death when they were struggling to pay lite bills, rent, employees, etc. A smug skinflint.
I waited (im)patiently all week to binge watch this. I also went into this knowing it was about more than just the Duggars. I knew that they were just the catalyst for launching IBLP into the main stream media, and thus, exposing the darker facets of the cult as a whole. With that said, I really liked this docuseries, and the perspectives of others' stories that we may not have ever heard had it not been for the Duggars. I think it brought about a broader picture of the cult, of Gothard's ungodly ways, and the manipulations that run rampant in the beliefs of the cult.
I have so much respect for the victims/survivors that can speak out against the only life they once knew. I wish them all the love and support going forward in their journey of healing and living their best lives.
It absolutely blows my mind that parents would do this to their kids. As a young adult, my parents would guide me through legal documents (my first job contract, my first home purchase, etc) but they would have NEVER tried to make me sign something without telling me what it was. As a parent, I make decisions for my young children, but as soon as they are old enough to have a say in things impacting their lives, we will discuss it. What horrible parents.
and he told the kids the TV show was to spread the gospel
It’s just beyond me how JB could legally do this to his children. This was/is SO exploitative. It’s so gross.
Because he definitely doesn't see women as human beings. They're objects to be exploited. And as for his son's I just think that he doesn't care about them
It’s the same thing all these you tube families exploiting their children from the time they are conceived!! I hope this opens a lot of eyes!!
If they were under age it van is illegal. Child labor is illegal and not sanctioned by God
Yes and he is the opposite of what a Christian should be. I’m so mad I’m about ready to find his house and picket. I bet I could get ppl to go with me. (I live in Arkansas, no close but not the opposite end of the state either)
Yes. It made me sick to my stomach.
I had no idea how powerful and far reaching the IBPL is! Their long game is super scary!!
Can't Jill sue her mom and dad for the fraud?
I just watched Shiny Happy People and I have got to be honest, I have a million feelings going through my head. Like one being my heart breaks for the Duggar children and all of the other children past and present. I am angry and disgusted and many more feelings about all that has happened to these people by Bill Gothard, and then to find out he was never married or had a child! That is just WILD to me. I pray that all the people who hurt these children and young adults karma bites them.
How wicked & crooked are Jim Bob & Michelle. I can hardly believe how these 2 can get away with this & not spend time in jail.
It would be nice to see these parents, and other exploitive parents in jail!!
You would think with the contract revelations that the state attorneys office could file some sort of fraud and/or child labor charges against JB if they're still within the statute of limitations. Also, a LIFETIME contract... Is that even legal???
This is the state of Arkansas. The pathetic Governor Sanders just signed a law making child labor...ie...exploitation EASIER.
I watched the whole series it was really interesting and I was disgusted. I’m so proud of Jill and Derrick for speaking up and telling their truth! ❤
That whole series was disturbing. A lot we already knew from you and others on youtube, but there were new details. That video of little Josie saying "instant obedience" was scary. The fact that in the IBLP, kids are punished by spanking into adult hood and that wives are punished the same way was horrible. The older girls wrote their book Growing Up Duggar before any of them were married. Did they get to sign their own contracts for the book or was it though JB's company? I am guessing that they did not get money through that, but I am not sure.
Doubt they saw any money.
How is a lifetime contract even legal especially if it’s a family member
I'm sure TLC being involved had signed documents protecting these two cash cows. Better to let it go and live your own kind of life. It is quite sick how these children were raised but every time one of them write a tell all we all know what we suspected all along was true
Yay #jilldillard! You have my support. Please, continue to grow and heal. And yes, I've pre-ordered your new book.
I truly hope Jill and Derik got paid for the docuseries!
No one was paid. Generally in documentaries it goes against the ethics of what a documentary is.
Nope. But they will for their book.
I watched all the episodes already, and honestly I was expecting a little more. I think most people that have followed this family and looked into the iblp and gothard already knew all of this. It was interesting to hear the survivors though and I’m glad they had a platform to share their stories. I think Jill’s book will go into more detail.
I agree. This series wasn't really intended for those of us who follow Fundy groups in the media. There wasn't a lot of revelations that we hadn't been already aware of or at least suspected. Another of it was simple confirmation. For those viewers who may have only known the Duggars in name only or perhaps only watched a few episodes, it will be eye opening and shocking. The purpose of the series should be to validate the victims voices in a wider public platform.
Rewatching Jill and Jessa on that Fox news interview was the hardest part of the documentary to watch knowing the truth now. Heartbreaking 😢.
I know of a couple of families who prided themselves on raising the kids under strict controls and when the kids are now grown the kids have all rebelled and the families blew totally apart. So sad. the Duggars are going to deconstruct too. Its one thing when kids are little; another when they grow to be adults with their own families.
Jinger has left the IBLP cult, but she has joined John MacArthur's ultra-right, woman-hating church, which is horrible also.
This IBLP is complicated, and so many crimes are being done under that umbrella. JB is a delusional person, and I am so sad for his children. The documentary explained why it is almost impossible to speak out because of the cult mentality. So sad. They covered alot though out the documentary, and I think they did a really good job.
I have not watched any of the Dugger shows. I have heard a lot about them and may have saw an episode here or there. But you are clearing up a lot of questions I had. I started following you for Sister wives info I’m glad you are doing this family also.
Thank you for all you do! Keep up the good work!
Derrick Dillard is his own man, with his own education, and is a LEGITIMATE part of society working as a lawyer, not trying to control anyone, least of all his wife (at least that I can see). I think he realizes the potential that Jill has and that Jim Bob and Michelle also recognized and were unable to take control of, and Jim Bob is PISSED about it all.
With the right barracuda of a law firm I think they can go after Michelle for fraudulently signing Jill's (and the other adult children's) name to contracts. I also think that contract Jill didn't remember signing was actually added on to after Jill signed her name, hence her not remembering some things that were outlined. Con artists do this all the time. They have you just sign your name and date it, not noticing the amount of blank space left on the pages you are signing above your signature.
Derrick should not just let this sit, and perhaps he hasn't, but just has a law firm in the background quietly digging up evidence.
Jim Bob is a crook through and through, and is more crooked than smart, so I know there are a lot of criminal goings on in his minicult just waiting for someone to prosecute.
Yes and there has to be a meeting of the minds for a contract to be valid. It would be pretty easy to prove that there was not a meeting of the minds for Jill.
They need to sue
I just watched the Docuseries on the Duggars. Jim Bob and Michelle will have to answer to a higher up. I can't wait to see what happens to the kids when Jim Bob is no longer here. I praise Jill and Derek, Amy and her husband, Deanna and all the others who were able to tell their stories. Katie Jo, I love the incite to what you cover and hope to see more on this issue and IBLP. Shout out to Jill for standing up for her rights, not only to the IBLP, but to her dad. She should be proud. I just bought of your Mamma Bear Sweet Shirt.
The fact that they made them leave a mission trip is fucking sickening. Like Im and atheist and I don't like religion but I know how much charity is done on those mission trips and I know how spiritual and meaningful it is to people who are religious. Absolutely disgusting
I thought a contract has to be a meeting of the minds. It seems these contracts could easily be contested.
I binged the docuseries last night, only to be disappointed to learn nothing more than I already learned from watching your videos in the last 2-3 years.
I am shocked with how these parents are treating their children, I see at least 19 counts of abuse, child, adults. I am totally sickened with the call of blanket training. I will be sick for ever more if I hear Michelle talk in baby talk. This is abuse and TLC is also accountable for it.
About the documentary: they had an archive video of Bill G bringing some random kid up on stage to demonstrate spanking. So disturbing. Why would ANY parent let another adult do that to their kid even if it was for show and wasn't full force?
Yes, very disturbing and evil.
They need to take action against JB and Michelle for fraud. But the other kids won't. Very clever of JB to have Jill and some of the other kids sign a document as they were thinking of Jill's wedding and rushing out the door to get there. And they have blind obedience. The others will be locked in for life.
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I watched the series…. Frightening!!! I can’t stand to hear Michelle’s voice and manor of talking. I would love to see her reclaim an honest true voice!
I was so proud of Jill & Derek in the docuseries and I’m sure it was hard for her to reveal the truth but she did a great job…I just feel so bad for her having to be FORCED into be estranged from her family when she’s done nothing wrong. The show really revealed a lot more dirt than I had expected but I wasn’t the least bit surprised about what was exposed. I can only imagine the lies and coverups that JB & Michelle have to tell the younger kids about all of this, however the younger kids will eventually want to know the truth which will turn into a 3 ring circus. Both Duggar parents make me sick and the thought of Michelle applying that type of physical abuse is horrifying but it seems like there was some misinformation about the blanket training because I remember Michelle saying in some other RUclips video that she starts blanket training around 3 months old and I also saw another documentary awhile ago (can’t remember the name of it) but it is true that the wife’s and adult kid’s are also punished and beaten with wooden paddles and spoons…I’m just totally mortified and sickened about how mentally insane those people in that whole cult truly are…they are very scary people!
There is no misinformation about blanket training. And keep in mind Michelle is as brainwashed as the rest
Quick question, would any lawyer be able to break these contracts to free these children?
They need to get a couple of the lawyers that helped Alex Murdaugh’s victims!!! They are bulldogs!!
Nope they can't because Michelle can say they had her to sign for them there behalf....
At age 18, those contracts are not enforceable. But I'm no lawyer. Hopefully a lawyer can chime in
Thank you Lisa!
Being that the show is canceled I don’t believe it matters any more. None of them are in an contract if there is no show being filmed.
TLC needs to be held accountable, as well as, JB and Michelle. It was hard to watch.
I just watched all 4 episodes. Very powerful.
I watched it all, and mostly everything in the docu series I heard straight from your channel.
I’ve watched half of the documentary and my biggest question at the moment is does Janna still get spanked by Jim Bob??
@@LisaKoffler spanking is abuse. Full stop. Period.
Been waiting for this video all day. I saved folding all my laundry just so I could sit down and watch it.
Without any spoilers I will say I really love the way they present to the documentary because and made it extremely easy to understand why Josh is Josh and why we should be so concerned that there are thousands and thousands and thousands of him around right now.
The lifetime contract reminds me of Scientology's billion year contract.
Not surprised to hear any of this. When it was stated that the kids had "lifetime contracts" it reminded me of the very recent trial of Danny Masterson & how Scientology influenced him & those involved in Scientology. Some of the members in the upper ranks signed "Billion year contracts" which sounds just as absurd, if not more so, than lifetime contracts. Talk about controlling people. :0
I’m a father of 3 & would give my kids the shirt off my back & the last dollar in my pocket. I would do w/o so my kids could have. JimBob is despicable & will someday share a cell w/ Josh! The Dugger kids need to unite, get a lawyer & kick some ass! They could takedown that CULT & TLC too! The people will stand w/ them! Like they did w/ Johnny Depp! Not a doubt in my mind or heart!
Omg @withoutacrystalball I CANT WAIT to watch the documentary series and read Jill's book!!!! I've been checking for a video from you all afternoon ❤😂
Me too!!!
I hope the series will continue b/c Jill and her hubby didn't say enough about what happened with Josh. It was a good series and really opened my eyes to the abuse of their religion, but you could tell that Jill is hurting and whatever he did to her and the sisters had to be really bad. Jill's hubby is supportive and you can tell that he stands up for Jill but I want to hear the entire story. JB and his wife are selfish, abusive, toxic, horrible parents, greedy, and much more. The other former members of their cult did a great job of educating the public about the abuse within the church.
Yes. I agree, but Jill shouldn't have to tell us what exactly happened to her unless she wishes to. I know its a no win situation, but she doesn't have to explain anything.
Cult. The iblp Cult.
Maybe in her book she’ll do that. You have to respect her privacy.
I would like to hear more about that concept spoken about in the documentary re: the IBLP of the “Joshua generation”. That kinda blew my mind tbh 😮
You have come so far since you took back your life. I am so happy for you. One of the best moves you made was getting married to Derick Dillard. You got a winner as did he get a winner in you. God bless you and your family.
Omg, I’d get a lawyer and try to get out of that contract.
Hi there!! Thanx for spreading the truth!!! I think how the kids are being treated is criminal. Its scary!!! I do pray for this family!!! Im impressed how knowledgeable you are, and you are not being a tabloid person. I just now hit the subscribe button .
The blanket training really got me
It’s vile
Me too 💔💔
The lady who said she spanked her 14 month old baby “ all day” ……
@@lisarnful I haven’t been able to get this out of my head since I saw it
This was worse than I thought. Jill proud of you!❤️
Binge watched the doc today between meetings and no spolier but I cant wait for your videos on them and your thoughts
It’s just so hard to stomach all these details about Jim Bob. The way he controls his children and adult children is not healthy or normal. Sometimes I wonder he’s like this due to his upbringing with poverty… therefore he needs money even at the expense of having his children sign a lifetime contract. That is just not normal at all to take money from adult children for years and control every move they make. Feel really bad for Jill that her parents showed more support to Josh than their own daughters being victimized.
I watch a lot of true crime videos which fascinate me - but this documentary! I honestly couldn't watch this series without having time-out breaks in between each episode. I'm amazed how amazing and strong the survivors are.
My eyes were certainly opened and gave me more compassion for Anna. To have all your will beaten out of you.
'Blanket training' broke my heart. To imagine attempting that practice on my son (or any child) at six months old; just as he's growing awareness and wonder at the world around him. Heartbreaking. My (now ten year old) son is Autistic, strong willed and speaks up if he doesn't like something - and I thank God my son has that freedom, free will and is a little rebel. In return I have a loving, enthusiastic and brilliant little boy who follows his own heart.
I hope more victims find the strength to escape to freedom - and parents wise up to the dangers of raising submissive children and women. Absolutely heartbreaking. 😢💔
First I’d like to say the voice overs are just fine. The content is so important. You’ve invested all your time, energy, research and reported respectfully.
I have four adult kids that are happy, married with wonderful children of their own.
Many people believe “18 and Out”. I raised them and explained,,
“ You can stay home if you go to college or tech school with a part time job. If you stay home and party, you will have to move.”
Simple, clear and respectful. Each graduated College two of which have Masters Degrees. Two graduated in four years not five yrs.
Like Michelle I was a stay at home mom, my then husband was a narcissist like Jim Bob.
Our income was that of a high school counselor. Hot Dogs not steaks. Sometimes no buns so a slice of bread was fine. We weren’t poor, kids were fine. They understood money because I taught them how to manage and balance a check book by age ten.
Jim Bob has proven to be a stingy narcissist, who progressively got Michelle to be incredibly submissive as well as all the girls.
I watched their show and saw that the girls and Michelle were made to feel basically empty headed without self esteem.
Jim Bob is a misery cheap monster towards the girls.
A compound the kids contributed to be it building, repairing all of that without pay is inexcusable and criminal.
If I was managing, Each would be paying less than half the market value of said properties, or let’s say dirt cheap so the kids could get a leg up to do what makes them happy and productive.
Yes criminal forgeries and out right cheating the kids is maniacal and selfish.
Wish the hammer comes down on Jim Bobs hands and PAYS the kids their FAIR SHARE !!!
To have to sue your own father is so sad but absolutely necessary.
Jim Bob don’t be surprised none of the kids have your back. They will abandon your sorry ass.
Pay them each accordingly with interest. God sees you.
We see you.
Smarten up Pay Up and be humble.
Be grateful they still call you Dad.
Cry and repent.
It’s all on you.
I watched all the episodes of the documentary. I wasn't surprised. What was eye-opening to me...all this rhetoric is what we were taught at the Christian school I attended for 7-8th grade! Almost verbatim right down to the book To Train a Child! And, no. I was not raised this way. The principal, who apparently agreed with these teachings, called MY DAD into the school office & told my Dad how to govern me, as his daughter! I'm not sure what my Dad said to the principal, but the principal more or less left me alone, LOL!
I finished the series. What interested me me more was that others had their opportunity to tell their stories. It gave them back their voice as Jane Doe 3 said it best. I want to make sure they have a platform to be heard, whether publicly or privately. I hope it gives them a strength of courage to do so. I am not only boycotting TLC but Discovery Network which includes Warner Brothers. I cannot support media that protects men like Bill, Jim Bob, Josh, and the like.
I'm so proud of Jill and i just pre ordered her book. I'm looking forward to reading it. I'll be watching Shiny Happy People Soon.
I thought they missed an opportunity by asking Jill about Josh when they could have asked whether her parents ever hit her, ever screamed at her when the cameras were off, etc.
Who drew up these contracts??? TLC’s attorneys should not have accepted contacts illegally signed ESPECIALLY contracts involving ADULT children
When my grandson was involved in acting the studios put all earnings in savings acct trusts in the children’s names to be released when the child was 18. Yes grandma had to sign he could work but grandson got $ set up by studios. I think TLC carries some of the blame for fraudulent contracts.
Are lifetime contracts even legal? That’s insane!
Everytime I think JB couldn't be lower or more devious, another piece of information about his actions comes to light which shows that he is even worse than I thought. How low can a man go than to make his children lifelong indentured servants?
If it was a lawyer (and not JB) who wrote up this contract he should be disbarred. Slavery is illegal in the US.
Watched it y'day.
So proud of Jill - she is an incredible woman.
That sounds like a breach in the child labor laws. But I highly doubt that any of the kids would look into this. If children are in movies or tv shows they can only work minimal hours reality shows should also have these safe guards
hey katie, came across this video of yours here on youtube; watched all 4 episodes of the docuseries on amazon prime video. it was very quite interesting to watch. i’m utterly disgusted how jimbob has done that with the contract jill mentions she had to sign, wow! jimbob seems like a very manipulative and selfish person, wow! can not wait to get jill’s book when it comes out next year, pre ordered it, already have a copy of jinger’s book. i hope and pray some of the adult children will come forward and tell their side. i absolutely feel sorry for the duggar kids on what really happened behind closed doors, truely sad and disgusting🥹 can’t wait to hear jill’s side of what happened behind closed doors.