Crysis vs Q6600/8800GT 2007 PC : Yesterday's Tech Tested With Today's Performance Tools
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- Remember the concept of the PC exclusive? And remember how those games would push your rig to breaking point, requiring an upgrade? In this new series, Digital Foundry will be testing the games of the time on era-appropriate hardware using the performance analysis tools we have today. And of course, it all begins with Crysis. An Intel Q6600 paired with an Nvidia 8800GT represented a high-end games PC back in 2007 - but could it run Crysis?
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I remember playing Crysis at 800x600 resolution with all settings on HIgh and an average framerate of 12-18 fps on my 8600 gpu. I was really blown away by the visuals at the time.
playing Crysis at 1024*768 med/high mix settings on my Radeon X1950 Pro ~20-30fps in DX9. Good times :)
and before dat: playing Far Cry 1 on my Geforce 4 MX 440 in DX7 mode :D
Yeah, cool graphics made up a lot for bad frame rates back then.
I used to play at Oblivion at 640x480 just so I could run it at high settings. Totally worth it at the time. 😎
@@therealbluedragon Oblivion on my Geforce 7300GT DDR2 only playable at 800x600 (or 1024 maybe?) + low settings + low poly grass mod :D
The grass is the real system killer in that game.
I played and completed the game on Radeon 9550 128mb and Celereon 1.7, so yeah xD
You can find it on youtube: "CRYSIS on Celeron 1.7; Radeon 9550 128MB; 1280MB RAM"
That's my old account ;)
"...b-but can it run Crysis?"
This game's release date is closer in time to Super Mario 64 than to the present day.
Arrest this man.
@@jasonandrews7355 Lol
Crazy eh?
By 1 year.
Dude could you not
The one thing all PC FPS fans over the age of 20 have in common: Nostalgia for Crysis at 22 fps.
God those were the times lol. I remember hearing shit like crysis at Max setting could crash a nasa super computer
I beat it with 12 fps..
I was in college at the time. I wouldn't have a computer that could hope to run this game for another four years or so...and even then the game wouldn't launch because of windows 7/10 compatibility issues.
You’re too young still. I’m nostalgic for dos games.
lol like I had a gaming PC in 2007
Interesting, I wonder if you were better of with the E8600, which is a Dual Core, but clocked quite a bit higher at 3.33 GHz :)
I remember having my 8800 GT back in 2008 that I bought at Circuit City. I used to crank this game's shaders to very high just so I could go prone on the ground and admire the parallax.
Guys, I want to see some modern GTA 4 analysis here : ) The port is incredibly bad and it is still running badly on modern PCs. The video that shows how it was running on the recommended hardware and the tech analysis on the modern system would be super interesting : )
Games for Windows LIVE entered the Chat.... makes it unplayable.
@@cladoxylopsida568 ikr they are asking for it.
Pretty sure GTA suffers from similar issues to Crysis, it responds well to faster clock speeds but ultimately CPU's didn't move in that direction (more cores/threads instead) so I think that's why it still performs badly.
@@TinyChrisTV They actually patched GTAIV, so now it runs without GFWL. Runs better as well.
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I still remember my mind being blown the 1st time I saw all those pockmarks on Prophet's face. This game spoiled graphics in other games for me for around 7-8 years. It was such a massive leap
Sean H not as big of a leap that Vr is compared to playing games just on a monitor
coolertuep but the nature of VR being more intensive means VR games don’t look as good as non-VR games so it’s not a graphical leap
David Restrepo
It’s not about graphics alone but about how it looks. In Vr everything looks like Reality. Real scale, plastic 3D. It’s not just pixels and shaders, it’s a lot more
coolertuep depth of field sucks on VR. It's literally why I sold my Oculus. Super immersion breaking.
@@coolertuep it's the exact same 3D graphics though. Technically if you could implement VR support into any of the recent major AAA games and had the PC to run it, it would look significantly better than any VR titles out right now. I'm all for VR, I have an Oculus Rift S and use it regularly. But it is a shift in perspective, it doesn't do anything for graphical technology. Frankly it's actually a regression when it comes to that because developers have to dial back a lot of graphical features and post-processing in order to get the consistent framerates needed for good VR experience. Crysis was using multiple different brand new graphics technologies that wouldn't be widely adopted by the rest of the industry for at least 6-7 years. It was miles ahead of other games at the time. To give you an example, Crysis came out the same year as Valve's Orange Box. If you compare HL2 Ep2 and Crysis both at maximum settings, its like comparing an Xbox 360 game to an Xbox One X game. It was a complete generational leap. VR is great but what makes it good doesn't really have anything to do with graphical rendering techniques or post-processing techniques.
I was 18 when this game came out. Still feels like yesterday to me. Crysis truly was a swan song of PC Gaming in terms of cutting edge visuals and not just with texture/lighting, but with the interactivity with the environment as a whole. Blew me away when I saw the E3 2006 trailer of it.
Remember Fear? That was a great game too.
I sure do. Played it again for a couple of hours a couple of months ago. Some of the visuals have aged a bit but the fun shooting and spooky atmosphere still hold up really well.
@@Shieftain the buildings which you see from a window didn't hold up at all. look like cardboard boxes.
My favourite FPS of all time. I play it at least once a year, every year.
A lot better than crysis
Check out Trepang 2!. It's basically a 2020 fear game
Great video guys. My first custom PC had that exact CPU/GPU combo (only 2GB of ram tho).
Couple of years ago I felt the nostalgia urge and spent a year or so getting the parts together for cheap in order to build the best pc from this era.
Specs are QX6850, XFX 780i, 8GB 1066 DDR2, 8800GTX Sli and the cherry on top, dual 120GB Velociraptor 10k drives in raid 0 with Vista installed of course.
These days it lives in the cupboard but every now and then it’s fun to pull it out and play some Crysis, Bioshock, UT3 etc and live it up in a way teen me would have frothed over.
... I just finished writing a paper for my CG master's major on Crysis SSAO.
Win.
Completely unrelated, I actually think, using ray tracing for sound, is going to be much more important for multiplayer games, than expecting it to be implemented for light, anytime soon.
They did real time ambient occlusion first in gaming right? Could you share some highlights? Any thoughts on Crysis post process anti-aliasing they only applied to leaves on branches? It made the trees look so dense and realistic, never saw that technique copied since then and its such a shame!
@@SamuelHauptmannvanDam I never thought of that but that's actually a novel and incredible idea. Using ray tracing to simulate the propagation of sound, echoing and refraction, destructive interference and etc. can really give "Surround" sound another meaning.
@@Xyos212 No they didn't do it first.... Ghost Recon did...
@@almighty151986 SSAO are you sure? I've seen presentations by Crytek and tech books saying they did SSAO first. MAybe Ghost Recon did a lesser form of AO?
This is amazing! I bought an 8800GT for Crysis and had a Phenom II quad core AMD, so this is very nostalgic for me. Thanks for the content!
Stalker: Shadow of Chernobyl would be cool to see.
+1
it ran great bc it had dx7 support
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This is exactly the kind of vid I wanted to make but couldn't get round to doing so this is makes the vid even better to me! Great work Alex!
Man, i remember upgrading to my 9800 gtx back in the day thinking it was going to up the fps, boy was i wrong
I had the 9800+, with 512mb ram. They did one with 1gig ram too I think.
@@ian260672 Yep, thats the one i had 😊
The smoke, particle effects and the green flare lighting up the smoke in the beginning still look absolutely stunning.
I just started going through the game again, man it's nice being able to have a stable frame rate. 5820k @ 4.4 and a RTX 2070, runs amazing in 3440x1440 and natively supports the res.
I don't exactly share this Crysis fetish, but I am very appreciative of you guys going back and looking at older games in detail again, with period-appropriate hardware where applicable. I'm glad you plan on doing more in that direction.
why would you want svideo out?
to play this at a crt tv at 60fps. i used to do this for extremely demanding games. if i can't have good frame rate AND resolution, at least i'd have screen size
Does svideo stand for shit video?
S-Video was released with S-VHS (Super VHS) and it has a lot better picture quality than composite
@@GeraintDafis there really wasn't much choice back then. most gpus didn't even have a tv-out port.
As a PC gamer since the 90s, the early open levels in Crysis are still probably my favorite levels in any shooter, ever. The tactical freedom and how that freedom was accommodated by every facet of level and gameplay design was a revelation at the time. It’s kind of crazy more games didn’t develop in that direction. The rise of “open world” games pushed game design in the direction of huge open maps that function more like an over map (think Super Mario World) with icons that trigger strictly linear missions. The only recent game to give me the Crysis feeling were the open levels in Metro Exodus. And they seemed to be divisive with players. I adored them. Just scanning the horizon and saying “oooh I bet something interesting is over there” and then making my own route informed by actual world design and gameplay mechanics.
I love how PC gamers today mock Raytracing cards because with RTX the games don't run at 144FPS...
back then playing crysis at even 60fps was almost impossible
back then I ran it on a Core 2 Duo and an 8600GT.
and with a lot of settings tweaking I eventually had it running at like 30 to 40 fps
Lol true. I have very fond memories of overclocking my mums old work laptop trying to get ghost recons phantoms to run at 20fps.
@John Doe yeah... I literally reinstalled it yesterday and I can't get it to 60
at least locked... in really quiet areas it's easily hitting 144fps but that's with nothing going on
But to the average gamer the appreciable graphic leap over raytraced vs rasterized shadows and reflections often isn't as big as the graphics leap in Crysis over other games back in 2007.
I constantly bring things like that up to the people that's bashing on Raytracing. Like when AA first came around.
@@2drealms196 crysis still had many issues tho. especially the handling of LODs was awful.
and I bet once people actually get exposure to RT reflections they never want to go back
GREAT VIDEO. I'm also quite sure I'm not the only one DOWNRIGHT ERECT about the prospect of classic '00 shooters being analyzed. With that being said, while big releases being analyzed excites me (UT 2K4, FEAR, DOOM 3), I think you should also give some hidden gems a shot. Things like Painkiller, Call of Juarez, Boiling point, Serious Sam 2, Prey (2006)...please make it happen DF!
Goddamn I remember getting this game in it's retail packaging, unpacking it and trying to play it on my old AMD Sempron 2500+ and 7600GT. Somehow ran well enough to be played to the end. The memories...
Yooo AMD Sempron...Had a 2800+.
Really good budget CPU line. Kicked Celeron ass.
Man, I remember reading every word to the dot on TweakGuides many years ago in an attempt to get the best config settings in Crysis to run on my 7900gtx (I think it was a gtx) and it was still pretty bad. I then upgraded to an 8800gt single slot card, and holy smokes, literally, the temps were too damn high. I got a custom RAM cooler for a water cooling setup, and a Zalman copper heatsink cooler, nice temps baby. My config file was set to enable light shafts, removed some ground vegetation details, removed parallax occlusion, removed SSAO, and enabled Korean voice for the baddies while running in DX9. Crysis man, that was revolutionary.
Idea here: Combine a modern CPU (i7 9700k or a Ryzen or something) with that 8800GT to see how the 8800GT runs Crysis when it's not constrained by the CPU
EASY TO ESTIMATE THOUGH... just look at the GPU usage and if it shows, say, 50% usage then you can roughly estimate that your FPS would double with no CPU bottleneck
The GPU usage is always above 75% and often above 90% so it wouldn't change that much.
Might get it to a solid 30fps or more at least. But at the same time I think it's also not that interesting, I highly doubt many people are rocking an 8800GT and a modern CPU. The knowledge would be cool tho I suppose.
Its not a cpu bottleneck here, its a vram issue. The 512mb on the 8800gt is the massive problem here. We can tell you do not know shit, and really didnt watch the proper part of the video that even talks about the vram weeb.
I know this PC could easily handle it, but I would be interested to see John's old PC play F.E.A.R. That game back on my 7800GT was so impressive to me!
Playing F.E.A.R on my old Radeon 9600 Pro (with setting much higher than they should have been) was painful but so much fun. I still remember being blown away by the AI and the deformation of walls/props.
@@monkohm6918 First time I played F.E.A.R. was a demo on my Emachine 2.4ghz celeron, 512mb ram, FX 5500 PCI. It ran ok on Dx8. For fun I changed it to all max settings...computer froze and it popped my power supply 🤣
I remember playing F.E.A.R. on my old pc with a MX440 at 640x480 with the half resolution setting turned on. It looked so bad but I could run it lol. Love F.E.A.R. just as much as Crysis
You're right. I ran this game with a single core athlon 3800+ with a Radeon HD 4550 512MB DDR3. I played it quite a while after release though...
This game was easily 5 years ahead of its time. The AI, the open world any approach sandbox gameplay and of course the graphics (if you can run them lol).
I would say more since in 2012 games were still being made with the xbox 360 and ps3 in mind.
There's only a handful true sandbox games like Crysis today. Its' environmental destruction is still advance even for current gen..
10 years ahead at least
@@Dragonfury3000 i wish that was it. AI has stagnated, graphics have gotten better in some games but game mechanics outside of indies have been lazy at best. too much playing it safe really
I believe in terms of graphics and destructible environments Battlefield 3 in 2011 was the first game that managed to really catch up with crysis.
My love for John and the channel got even bigger after he mentioned Origin Systems, Wing Commander and Mechwarrior 2. I'd love to see a 486 or Pentium MMX running these games in here.
Oh man this brings back memories. I bought my first PC, a water cooled custom PC with an E6600 and a 8800GT specifically so I could play Crysis when it released. To me Crysis was utterly mind blowing. Still to this day despite the low FPS, I'v never experienced a game since that has taken such a massive leap in graphical fidelity versus everything else available or upcoming.
I loved it Alex and John. Thank you for posting this.
Everyone writing "I played on Geforce 8600, it was hard" etc lol
I played and completed this game on Radeon 9550 and Celeron 1.7GHz, which I have on video. Search for "CRYSIS on Celeron 1.7; Radeon 9550 128MB; 1280MB RAM", it's my old account.
Greetings!
That was possibly the blurriest video I have ever seen in my life, and I used to download cam rips on Kazaa.
@@spork8655 tbh low res RUclips videos looked better back in the old days. RUclips did some shit I don't understand to make them look way worse now days. Like my 2008 crysis videos look a lot worse than they did in 2008. Overly Compressed now compared to then maybe? Idk.
Kougeru suffling around the videos on to new servers for 14 years probably caused issues.
@@Kougeru You might be right, I have heard that RUclips has changed the compression algorithm they use over the years. I have also seen some old videos exhibiting audio issues all of a sudden - Neil Cicierega's "Ariel Needs Legs" comes to mind... I don't know. Maybe RUclips re-compressed a bunch of old videos and we are seeing the ill effects.
I played it on an Acer 2930G laptop. Core 2 Duo P7350 at 2.0 GHz, a 9600M GT with 512 MB of dedicated VRAM, and 4 GB of RAM. It was playable, and I beat it, but the experience wasn't great lol. If I remember correctly I had to drop to medium to have it run at 30 FPS, and Crysis looks like ass at Medium or lower
13 year old game that still looks better than most games today. I remember playing this on a Pentium D 960 with 8 gigs of ram on 2 1900XTX in crossfire and about a month later got 2 9800 GX2s in quad SLI when it launched and I could just hit 30fps on very high. The core 2 launched IN 2007 but 1 year prior my pc was the best money could buy. And STILL only barely 30 fps. Then I grew up and got over the PC thing. Spending thousands, never satisfied and always obsolete in a year.
Does that technically make this a DF Retro?
i hate that this is true
Nah, new tech, the physics and a few graphical effects are better than 99% of games built with consoles in mind
@@bonjovi7399 new tech? you are aware this game is 13 years old? i know a lot of the tech is still used but that doesn't make it new. and the fact that this is a 'retro' game but still looks better than a lot of todays games is kinda sad tbh, hopefully next gen will be a true leap and not a small one like current and last gen
Killzone 2 was a DF retro.
I was playing that V-tol mission on my new pc a few years ago and at the end of the level I turned around and looked at the island behind me. The frame rate dropped down to single digits. I was surprised the game didn't crash. If you ever make another Crysis video you should definitely test that DF
Still one of the best games I've played in my life.
Damn right. A lot of people just see it as a tech demo, and i'll bet those people never played it.
I went through the campaign countless times, and downloaded a huge bunch of custom maps, those were amazing.
If you think about it.......Crysis was the last AAA PC game ever made not counting MMOs. Truly an end to AAA PC gaming. Steam saved PC gaming but the AAA never came back. sad
I still have my computer from this era. It's honestly beautiful.
I used to have a 8600 untill the chip and dye got separated :(
Yes the 8 series had this issue.
I had a 8600 gts from xfx never sow that problem. Im thinking too how did that hapen to you?
@@candidosilva7755 my brother had net cafe and all the pcs had 8 series cards. All failed on ane way or onother. They were amazing cards bad they had core packaging issues.
It's crazy how just a few years ago playing Crysis at 800x600 at high settings sub 30 was amazing. And now we basicly have photorealistic games at 4k 60 and we still find flaws.
The fact that the graphics is still holding up today even after 13 years, speaks volumes about this game ! A comparison between Crysis and other 2007 games is mind boggling
november 13 years
My first gaming PC with an i7 920, 12 GB DDR3, GTX 285, was only able to do 25-35 FPS at 1080p very high. That was cutting-edge hardware TWO GENERATIONS ahead of the PC in this video.
February 1, 2038:
"Today, Digital Foundry will test if the new RTX 999881112 TI can handle Crysis."
ExtremeQuality v1.32 config + ICMC SP Mappack = Peak Crysis.
I see Crysis, I hear Alex, I hear John, I think "Dreamteam", I click upvote, I watch.
and i see most annoying camera movement ever
I built a Q6600 and 8800 GTX PC in 2007 for Crysis and Supreme Commander: Forged Alliance. I was going to get a lower end video card, but decided to splurge. Overclocking the Q6600 to 3.4 Ghz helped with both games. Before I only had pre-built PCs from Dell and this got me into building PCs.
Any1 remembers project IGI?
or Joint operations, 1st battlefieled like game with huge maps and 100ppl multiplayer.
Props for remembering U. S. Navy Fighters - it was my first DOS game I was able to run in 1024x768 resolution (albeit with no cockpit art - it wasn't supported above 640x480). On Pentium 75MHz it was playable in 320x200 with all texturing turned on, in 640x480 you had to turn off most textures (sky, ground, objects) and in 800x600 and especially 1024x768 it was a slide show. You could say it was a Crysis of the time.
My second PC atm uses a Q6600... sooo.. its not really yesterday's tech for me :P
I still have a Q6600 @ 3.0GHz in my HTPC
Could you guys do an special on sound tech from the 90s up to now (A3D, EAX, Directsound 3D)? It's an interesting topic, specially now that the next gen consoles are boasting about 3D audio. I've been using virtual surround for while now and it really it's a game changer (for those of us without a surround speaker set).
Alex saying 20fps was brutal and here i am playing skyrim on my laptop at 16fps for the past 5 years.
And here I am playing skyrim in vr @120fps ;)
well, even a calculator can run Skyrim better
My spit can run Skyrim better :D
I wish I could go back to this era. The excitement surrounding this game was palpable. I remember when they released the multiplayer beta and we all had our chance to experience the game for the first time. Immeasurable hype.
This was a fun watch it reminded me of 2007
Crysis and Warhead do run like a dream now on my 3900x@4.5GHz
through precision boost overdrive.
I miss my old q6600, those could handle a good overclocking
I still have mine in a box somewhere
I had a Q9550 back then dont know if it was batter than this
they weren't that good. the 2500k was waaaaaaaaaaaay better at overclocking
I have a AMD R9 280 and I can do a 38% overclock :D
Unless you had the B3 stepping.The G0 though was a totally different beast.
Almost exactly my old PC set-up!! I had a Q6600 and 8600 & then a 9600GT though.
At 09:00 you say that you're being cpu limited but how can you be cpu limited when the cpu usage is around 40% ?
Tyson Fury Yeah that confused me too.
Really looking forward to this series!
Sweet!
I remember the day where I built my phenom x4 9950 BE with that included motherboard onboard Radeon HD3300 series gpu with just 128MB gddr3 😂 It was a torture to play but I made it and finished the game after too many setting tweaks!
I had a Phenom 9850 BE, paired with a GTX 260 Core 216. I am still not sure why I did not get a Q6600. The 9850 BE was such a bad OCer. Also, mad respect for beating the game on integrated AMD! I remember playing Doom 3 on my emachine 2.4 GHZ celeron and FX 5500 PCI not even AGP card. Got a sick 8-15 fps..beat the whole game like that XD
I also used a HD 3300. Great times.
@@MetalJody1990 Right! Great times man! That gigabyte motherboard sure was interesting... I even overclocked mine a little haha!
@@libertyxs5035 Respect to you too man! Haha we did whatever we could to finish that game though 😁😄😂
Good reminder for the "master race" how stable 30 FPS were a dream come true with a game that really pushes visual bounderies. :-D The last boss fight was literally a slide show.
(We played Crysis in 2008 on a PC system that was considered high end)
It was one of the best experiences when it comes to visuals in a game that i ever had, and i played it on a cheap 9600gt in 2008, high settings and some on very high, wasn't bothered by framerate at that time around 30 fps was normal. So your comment is BS.
@@1GTX1 Are you kidding? Crysis came out in 2007, and the 9600GT was launched in 2008. We played Crysis at a friends house in summer 2008. He had an high end system, probably a Geforce 8 series. The last boss fight WAS running at single digits frame rate. Iam not exaggarating. We also played Bioshock. Before accusing me telling bullshit get your basic information right.
@@atarijaguarsgarage8873 9600gt was a budget card..
We still have PC exclusives. They're called first person shooters.
Ahhh the memories. This is basically exactly what I was running . Except I had an 8800GTS. First PC I built, when I was about 13 years old.
E8400 was the absolute boss of a core 2 duo back then.
E8400 wasn't released until 2008
@@Pasi123 You do realize that Crysis didnt cease to exist at midnight on 12-31-2007 right
This was the only time I've ever intentionally used motion blur because playing at 20-25 fps is too choppy without it.
Do STALKER. Its ballistics and AI were among the finest, warts and all. Especially in the buggy Clear Sky.
Thank you! My childhood is revisited thanks to you guys
I love these videos, the Q6600 was a beast at one point
@Digital Foundry fun tip: you can assign hotkeys to "individual" nano suit modes by following these steps...
**Note: you must do this method to change hotkey assignments, as there is no in-game functionality for it sadly**
1. Go to this directory > ...\Documents\My Games\Crysis\Profiles\default, and open the "actionmaps.xml" file in notepad
2. Under line 263 "", add the following:
**enter the key you wish to bind the suit mode to in the "key name" line**
3. Save file. Now load up the game and enjoy your nano suit hotkeys!
Switching modes is super quick and easy with hotkeys enabled. Say goodbye to the Nano suit HUD wheel and shortcuts! You won't miss them.
Also, be sure to make a backup of the actionmaps file if you plan on installing mods, as some of them may override it.
I didn't know you could do individual hotkeys for each action. I just used the hotkey feature in the Menu where you did the double tap ctrl for stealth, double jump for strength, etc. I'm going to copy your comment in a notepad document and keep it in the folder where I keep all my favorite Crysis user maps and configs as I don't trust file hosting sites to keep them up forever.
@@PeterHas Yeah I only just discovered this was possible a few weeks ago... and after 12+ years of the game existing?
Better late than never I suppose. XD
7:05 that flashlight reminds me how old this game is, that was back when flashlights were weak and blotchy. Now they're super bright with totally coherent beam.
The BRIGHTNESS of a flashlight is probably a choice they made that had nothing to do with the actual technology. I'm aware there are multiple improvements with different aspects of light but in terms of just brightness there are reasons you don't want it too bright. Horror genres are a great example. You may want just enough light to illuminate but not too much. And in real life a flashlight often doesn't illuminate as much as you might think, speaking as a guy who was in the Army.
@@photonboy999 no, in real life MODERN flashlights do illuminate a huge amount. I got this tiny flashlight off amazon for a couple bucks that can illuminate a whole 20m by 40metre garden on a moonless night. These sort of flashlights just did not exist 10 years ago, no one seemed to predict that within a decade they'd get so much better.
Could you talk about the foliage? To this day I feel like a jungle/forest has not been represented as well as it was in Crysis 1 (there was a small level in Ryse Son of Rome that had decent foliage too). They pushed so many polygons and alpha textures, with a post process anti-aliasing pass just on the foliage that made it look so much more realistic and dense at a distance. I've never seen another game render foliage to the look and amount Crysis 1 did.
@@PanzerVII-df8hg I watched it and I dont remember any mention of the tech above, but Ill watch it again :)
I have to say this...
Can it run Crysis?
I had the same spec system, Q6600 and 8800GT, both overclocked though and with just 4GB ram. I remember spending a lot of time tweaking the config files in Crysis to get better performance, DX9 was a must for performance for starters and you could then tweak a lot of config settings until it was almost indistinguishable from DX10, but still ran much better. I remember averaging over 45fps with the odd dip down to 30 @1024x768. Good days.
Sounds like this game is screaming for an overclocked Core 2 Extreme
It's not at all, it's Gpu bottlenecked.
Better cpus are pointless at low frame rates anyway.
@@WookieWarriorz The AI part shows a bit where it clearly needs more CPU and the GPU is just at 60%. The CPU utilization percentage is a red herring at that part, it looks like that because windows is shuffling the one big thread that's bottlenecking. Games back then had virtually zero multithreading, at most they could take some advantage of a second thread.
Ty4ons Crysis 1 was a pioneer in this as well - the game could actually spread to up to 4 cores, which was almost unheard of at the time. So it was multithreaded, unfortunately it just wasn't multithreaded *well* with stuff like the AI scaling poorly - so you needed both good single thread performance *and* at least a dual core CPU for best results.
@@WookieWarriorz ,
You clearly didn't watch the entire video or have followed much to do with Crysis. As said by Ty4ons it often dips sharply due to the CPU. Digital Foundry even showed a CPU bottleneck on an i7-8700K (but with modern graphics card so more CPU load)... also...
"better CPUs are pointless at low frame rates anyway" makes absolutely no sense. If the frame rate is low then why is it low? All the FPS tells you (if it's not locked with VSYNC or other FPS cap) is that there's a bottleneck somewhere which is usually either the CPU or the GPU. So a low FPS could very well indicate the problem is your CPU not being powerful enough... perhaps you are thinking of HIGH RESOLUTION or something but even that's not always true.
This was almost the exact rig I had to play Crysis on. Ended up getting a second 8800 GT, man what an amazing value card for the time.
One year later, Nvidia released the 9600 GT. It was 90% the performance of the 8800 GT for 55% of the price. Crazy good ratios.
18 fps??A perfect console experience.
Late in 2008 I built a Q6600 PC with 4GB o' RAM and a Radeon HD4870x2 - that ludicrous card with 2 GPUs on it. Damn that thing ran hot, expecially with the early drivers that refused to ramp the fan up beyond 50%. It was just mandatory to tak manual control of the fan while gaming and max it out else you'd just overheat and crash. Later drivers vastly improved both performance and thermal management, but after 2.5 yrs that card crap out and died. I ended up replacing the whole system at that point. Now the Q6600, it's motherboard and RAM sit on my shelf next to an 8800GT I picked up a lot later when buying a colleague's old PC to use as a VM box for work stuff - turns out you could put 24GB of RAM in an i7 920 board with triple channel RAM quite cheap in 2013.
I'd be super interested to see you explore ATi's old dual GPU Radeon cards in this system if that's an option, if you can find cards that haven't cooked themselves to death yet!
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Or how about, all your base are belong to us?
Cheers from a low-end laptop gamer, who actually would be very happy with these kinds of performances on reasonably new games. Maybe you should try a low-power Celeron with an old Intel HD-Grafics next time ;-)
Interesting to think that if a game was released today that ran as badly as Crysis did back then, it would be absolutely hated by both, players and critics.
So true man, the intolerance and entitlement these days is shocking.
I hate modern gaming, just because of the toxicity.
I would totally watch Alex go through a full Crysis Let's Play.
Psycho in crysis 1 always reminded me of Michael Bisping lol
The first time I played crysis was on ps3 and I played it 7 times before getting a gaming pc
I have that eVGA 8800gt sitting on my desk. It's the GOAT. I ran it until late 2011, when I got a 570.
It was impossible to run in 2007 it literally melted every one PCs..
I had the almost the same config on 2007!, a q6600 oced to 3,0GHz and a 8800gts. i had to play this game on 1024*768 on a Crt with mixed settings between high and medium. Oh shit Crysis was seriously demanding, i not really enjoyed Crysis until i had a 2500K with a gtx 570 at fullhd. This game was like a benchmark. This video is gold for the pc gamers, thank you!
Someday it will be great to re review Sacrifice, Magic Carpet or games that were future proof like Giants citizen Kabuto.
I played this game with a Celeron E2180 OC'd to 2.7GHz, 2GB of RAM and a GeForce 9800GT 1GB, with High settings using DX10 @ 1440x900, and got 31fps avg on the benchmark. But the gameplay was between 24-31fps, and whats funny is that even with below 30fps this game seems to feel a lot smoother than recent games. This video really brings back good old memories.
I played this game on my Razer Blade 2018 Max Q with everything maxed out, and the config file edited to be 1080p. It only just barely maintains above around 80 FPS on average, and can certainly drop down into the 60s. I have seen it go up into the 120s, but that's not usually during action. The performance demands are absolutely insane for a game from its time.
My one disappointment with this video in regards to performance isn't in regard to dx9 vs dx10 use but it is in the choice to play in 16x9 aspect ratio. I had a much less powerful machine back then but because I played on an old 4x3 ratio crt I had much better experience than this video shows. Maybe it would be hard to capture this correctly these days but I remember it being a huge advantage vs my friends who weren't poor af like me and still rocking hand me downs.
As for what older games/ports I'd love to see Doom 3, FarCry 2 or 3, Dead Space, CoD Black Ops and Modern Warfare, Mass Effect 1 and 2, Assassin's Creed, and of course the mighty Half Life 2 and Portal.
I love when yall put out videos like this, just a ton of fun listening to yall reminisce and discuss why this tech is so advanced even to this day, overall great job!
23:20 I know what you mean about grey area in stealth mechanic. The very first Aliens vs Predator had that. When you're playing as Predator or Alien after revealing yourself to humans, you can go back into hiding. Then after a while, they become increasingly scared. If you brush up or growl at them, some just panics and start running or shoot randomly in the dark. This stealth mechanic was so new to me, I used to play hours scaring the marines and scientists.
When Crysis came out I was rocking my awesome Athlon 64 X2 and 2 ATI 2900 XT in CROSSFIRE and still wasn't enough for this BEAST... man 2007 was such a good year for PC; CRYSIS, UT3, HL2 E2, BIOSHOCK, COD4 and some others.
I scraped together all my money as a teenager and got a system with an Athlon 64 and a 7600GT. Certainly felt like an upgrade from my family's old Win 98 machine with a TNT2... Stuff like Quake 4 and Half Life 2 blew me away. Then games like Crysis came along and just made me want to cry lmao.
It's nice to see perspective of OG gamers. I agree; it should be same today, pushing hardware to the limit (by making high fidelity games not buggy games). I mean that would boom the electricity bills but you get some and you lose some, and not everyone is gonna play the games on Ultra settings.
I know we all hate EA but they do good work in terms of graphics and optimisation for battlefield series. I still remember my experience with Battlefield 1 it runs smoothly (60 fps) on my 4GB DDR2 800MHz ram (*1366x768 res), still looked pretty and gave my system a hard time, when I tried to increase any settings. And the COD games just refused to run on anything under 8GB ram and this is like 3-4 years ago. So the credit is due where it's due.
I had a rig with a Phenom X4, 4GBs of ram, and two 3870's in crossfire. I was able to play on a combination of high/very high settings at 1440x900. Framerate was usually above 30 fps but it did have its low points from time to time but the game never became unplayable.
I have a few questions now...
- Would it be possible to improve Crysis's performance by modding the Lua interpreter to use several threads or cores?
- Are there ultra-high frequency CPUs that could run Crysis better than "regular" (read: still powerhouses) overclocked ones?
- Am I the only one to think DigitalFoundry should make a series of videos about game engines? The different types, how specific effects work, tricks developers use for optimisation... If you do, please, I'd be very curious to know how Shin'en do their tech wizardry (among other devs).
One of the favorite things I did in this game was on the level where you are around the 30 minute mark was to go into strength mode and throw a grenade straight up and destroy the helicopter that way. Wasn't easy but I managed to pull it off a couple of times. This game always brings back good memories! :)
Remember playing this game at absolute lowest setting, 640x480 on a 8400GT at round 10-22 fps.
It was glorious.
First played Crysis at 1024x768 on a Athlon X2 5000/ M2N-E SLI/XFX 8600GTS XXX (more X's more better of course)/4GB DDR2-667/250GB SATA HDD/Vista 32. I remember that PC being my gift to myself for the first Christmas working a real job out of high school. Good times.
10:34 Finally, some good fucking performance. All we had to do was look at the damn ground, Digital Foundry!
How does GTAIV run? That would be interesting to see on old hardware.
Aaah.. the good old 8800GT, my card of choice when I build my own PC for the first time. It served me well for a long time.
2007 was awesome year - Crysis, Half-Life 2 Episode Two, Bioshock, Team Fortress, Stalker Shadow of Chernobyl, Portal, Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare...
The 8800GT was my first graphics card, it was second hand left over card from a friend while the 660 was new. That card really takes me back in my early days of being a PC gamer just getting out of highschool. Funny enough, it was also this card I experienced Crysis for the first time.
I ran this on a Athlon 64 X2 4200+ (2.2Ghz) with 2GB of ram and a HD 4670 512MB in the beginning of 2009. I was too young for such a game at the time (15) but I didn't mind. I saved up to upgrade my computer with a graphics card + extra ram and I surely was going to play it. It ran okay on medium at 1024x768 honestly.
I was running Crysis on a Core 2 Duo 6750 (I think) with 4 GB ram and a 8800GT. That pc lasted me from 0'8 to 2015 with only a GPU upgrade. I think Crysis is the best looking game relative for the time ever. Nothing has come close before or after compared to everything else available at the time.