Best GoPro ND Filters? ND Filters Explained
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- Опубликовано: 1 авг 2024
- What are ND Filters and why should you use them? In this video, we explain how to use Neutral Density filters when shooting cinematic video. We also review 3 ND filter options for shooting on GoPro Hero 8 and Hero 9 and Hero 10 (Hero 9 and 10 take the same ND filters).
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CHAPTERS
0:00 - Intro
0:07 - What is a Neutral Density (ND) filter?
0:33 - ND filters for photography
0:41 - ND filters for videography
1:09 - Why you want motion blur in video
1:28 - What is a cinematic video?
1:56 - Cinematic camera settings
2:26 - Why you need an ND filter when shooting cinematic video
3:03 - Why you might need a gimbal too
3:19 - GoPro ND filter option #1 - VND
5:05 - GoPro ND filter option #2 - PolarPro / Freewell
6:24 - GoPro ND filter option #3 - Telesin
7:43 - CPL / Polarizing filter
7:51 - Polarizer vs ND Filter
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No way! Only 8 minutes and 43 seconds, yet the most comprehensive and the most concise information on the subject!
Thank you.
Thanks! I came from another video of yours, the Gopro accessories. This was really helpful! 🙏
New to GoPro, thank you for bringing these options to light
You're welcome! Glad you enjoyed it ❤️
Great overview. Exactly what someone like me who wants to buy me filters but needed a simple tutorial at my options.
Nice, glad it was helpful. We struggled soooo much in the beginning just to understand why ND filters were needed -- a lot of people want to sell them to you but never give a good explanation. Hopefully this was helpful!
Fantastic clear explanation. Thank you for this.
Wow, this is just the information I needed!!
Super clear explanation of the purpose and filter options, and well organized video. Thank you so much!!!
That is so great to hear. Thank you for watching Antoine 🙏
Nice content, as always.
Just one correction tough, regarding the polarizing filters. They do not "block" the light, they reorient it... which, in optics, is named "to polarize" the light.
Thanks to these special glass elements, all light beams are oriented in the very same direction when passing through it. This is why reflections ( = chaotic light dispersion) is eliminated or strongly reduced. Without reflection, the shiny surface (water, glass, metal, eyeballs, screens, car-bodies, etc.) appears matte or without a reflective coating atop.
Whoever has used films, especially in black and white, knows how crucial it is to have polarizing filters in a photo/video kit.
Hope this helps.
Awesome information....and spot on! Unfortunately, on the Gopro Hero10 the use of viewing/adjusting EV (exposure value) during the use of Protunes manual settings is impossible due to being greyed out. EV is extremely important in choosing those ND's as close as can be to EV 0.0. EV is only available when using Auto therefore, it all a guessing game from shot to shot viewing your screen for proper exposure. Thanks again for your video!
That reverse glow at 2:45😍😍
very clear explanation! thank you🙏
You're welcome! Thanks for watchiing.
Great video thank you 🙏🏾
Great info cheers
Great video. Thank you. Our last vid was a disaster with light. This may a big help.
Watched two of your videos and I like how you explain things and Subscribed
Happy to hear that. Glad to have you here 🙂
Great video! Cheers
G'day and thanks! i just got my first ever gopro "Hero 5 Black" for use on my 1/10th scale RC 4x4/Crawlers. We spend all our time in the outdoors, driving these Rc trucks in some of the most beautiful places, like Desert to Rocky valleys and rainforests to creeks and waterfalls. learning about polerizing an ND filters will make a big differance due to all the sunshine here in Australia. Im a real 47yr ol noob and didnt know how simple this will be with my Hero 5. Cheers from ya m8 Downunder!!
Thank you so much for watching 😊
Excellent video, very knowledgeable and clearly explained for me a relative beginner. Thank you so much.
Good explanation, and this is coming from someone who already has ND experience on DSLRs.
You should include some links on calculating stops needed based on Aperture/shutter
It's always a pleasure to listen to the pros lessons 😊 , although as an amateur I am i need to save the video and watch it over and over 😅, hope you guys doing alright
Thanks for watching, Kostadin. Winter has arrived in full force, so we are not adventuring as much as we were in the summer, but other than that, we are enjoying our down time. Hope all is well with you too.
@@Gemini_Connect pleasure guys! Yes for sure winter is here ,I'm glad you enjoying the change in weather and most importantly you're all good . Yeh so far is all good here but definitely this season is my enemy coz of my job 😂
Great explanation 👏👍👍
You should do a picture quality test with those, that's what we need :)
sorry to be off topic but does anyone know a method to log back into an instagram account??
I was dumb lost the password. I would love any assistance you can offer me!
@@lawsonpablo8125 theres a option called forget password where you can recover your account
Parabéns pelo conteúdo. Muito bom.
Im getting the Telesin. Thank you.
You're welcome 😊
So helpful
Thanks a tonne 😊✌
However, quick question : Does the Telesin ND filter fit well with an Ulanzi case?
Heres my 2cent tip from owning Hero4 Silver to the latest Hero9Black.
I hate the Hero8Black for the fixed built in Lens. The adapter from PolarPro isnt so tight, it popped off when I took a dive in Tulum (yes its my fault, but I still dislike the fact having to use an adapter).
For the Hero9 I purchased the Tesslin set because of the price and saves a lot more time when switching filter. Like you said, it is quite risky having to twist the main lens off if you’re on an unstable platform.
Great video! Have you tried the Tiffen ND filters with the GoPro?
New to GoPro,,, thank you for sharing😇☺️
You're welcome! Glad you enjoyed it 😊
Tq for your your video,so for confirmation, can i use the ulanzi G9-4 with the ND filter 52 mm?
I think hypersmooth doesn't work anymore because the algorithm scans how the previous frame pixels moved against the new frame, since nd filters are used to lower shutter speed and increase motion blur, the algorithm can't determine well the previous frame pixel position against the new frame since most of the image key pixels are "blurred". This explains why it works so well the higher the shutter speed and with more light (easier to determine pixel locations, like a non moving object in the frame). I worked on video/photo AI with Python 3, but I bet they also use an accelerometer and/or gyroscope to help with the equation.
That's a great explanation 👍 I also suspect it has to do with shutterspeed. When locking shutterspeed at double the framerate, that also seems to override Hypersmooth.
@@Gemini_Connect Thank you! c: I am also open to feedback if someone out there knows exactly what is going on, so we as a community can come up with more workarounds than only having a gimbal. Great video btw!
@@Gemini_Connect That isn't the issue - the GoPro does not use the image for stabilization, it uses the gyro. It can stabilize a video even if it was completely black. ND filters do not mess up hypersmooth at all, but they do introduce motion blur, so the gopro stabilizes the footage, but you still have the motion blur going on, so it looks like it's moving even though it isn't, it ends up looking strange/jerky This mainly happens when doing an activity that introduces random vibration, like hiking or mountain biking. If you use the gopro for things like cars, motorcycles, drones, etc the motion is "cleaner" and you don't get this effect. You can fix the problem by getting the shutter up to around 1/240. here is a complete description of the effect, and explains more how hypersmooth works on the Camera Butter website (and you should have included Camera Butter in your list here - image quality is the highest out of the entire group in your list!) camerabutter.com/blogs/the-camera-butter-reel/nd-filters-and-hypersmooth-the-real-story-and-solution
@Gemini Connect have you by any chance looked into Freewell Bright Day Kit? I want to purchase it but when you get a chance let me know what your review is on it
in a boat a cpl is a must have
Hi great vid,can u tell me the lanzi g9-4 does it fit the gopro 9,and is it 52mm ,because on there website it says 55m
I have been using Telesin's ND filters for the past 3 weeks, and it works fine. So far my filters are water tight sealed and can use it in salt water, but just for shallow water.
Awesome, that's great to hear. Thanks for the info 😊
I've been considering picking up the Telesin filters myself and this is useful information. Thanks.
Have you noticed there to be any added lens flare when using the Telesin filters seeing that their pop in place?
Would you have an updated link Amazon for the adapter ring GoPro 12?
Do you try use PolarPro ND with Telesin CPL together in stack? BTW, thanks for video.
Do the Telesin Filters fit the Max Lens Mod? And if not, what is the model of Ulanzi 52 mm Adapter for the GP 9
I watch most of your videos. as you do a excellent job, explaining the products in a nice manner.
Just recently brought a Go Pro 9 and planning to get the media mod soon.
Think better to have the Telesin filters as it is so easy to attach them on the Go Pro lens, a time saver.
Thanks
Yes, the Telesin filters are definitely more useful and easier to use. Thank you for watching, my friend!
@@Gemini_Connect Got the Telesin and Media Mod after watching your positive reviews and glad to know that I am super satisfied.
@@bobbysworld7278 so glad to hear that. Thanks for the update 😀
What are your thoughts on using the PolarPro filter with the Telesin CPL filter? Or would this be overkill?
Does the ulanzi ND mount can be compatible for go pro 11?
I didn't find the Ulanzi adapter for the circular ring filter
Thanks for the exellent video guys . i was just getting into nd filters on my gopro,Is there any benefit if you us nd filters in auto?
Yes, ND filters can darken your overall shot when shooting in auto, like in super bright and sunny conditions. This is mostly how I use ND filters when shooting on GoPro -- the camera controls are too obscure to be fiddling with the variable ND filter for the type of filming I do on GoPro.
What filters are right for GoPro black 7? Thanks
Hello I have a question. Does the Ulanzi adapter you mentioned in the products to find list for the 52MM variable filter work for the Hero 9 too ? Bc when I open it I’m Amazon it only specifies for the hero 8. Great video by the way !
I don't think it will work with the Hero 9 as the size of the camera is different and the adapter is form-fitting.
Very informative as always! Great job! But I have a question...let's say you're vlogging with a VND on and moving at the same time. How bad would the stabilisation would become? Or would it become necessary to use a gimbal for better quality?
If you have your camera on manual cinematic settings, it will probably be pretty bad. It depends on the light conditions and how much you are moving.
There are so many reviews on these gopro nd filters but only a few tell you that the stabilization of the gopro doesnt work properly anymore once you put on the filters.
Is there a solution for that?
I hunt with a gopro, but when the sun comes out i have to put the camera away because the light from the sun shines off the lens, alerting water fowl of my presence. Will these nd filters reduce the reflection off the lens as too not alert the birds?
Hello Gemini. Thanks for the video. I'm not sure if I'm phrasing this correctly but with the Ulanzi or similar adapter.. Is there any cropping/vignetting of images with a 52mm lens? How about on wide angle shooting? Do you know if I would need step-up rings to avoid it? Also, do you prefer the adapter or the cage?
I haven't seen qng cropping, built there can be vignetting af times. I prefer the cage.
Great video! I have a GoPro 10 with a Skyreat anamorphic lens which makes for great cinematography. The problem is that no GoPro ND filter will fit, not even the Telesin ones. Is there an adapter to fit 52mm variable ND filters? I've looked everywhere on the net but I couldn't find anything...
You want to add an ND filter to the anamorphic lens? As far as I know, no adapter exists to do that yet.
Great informative video as always, but I have a question. You mentioned 2 issues with the Telesin filters, water between lenses and filming through 2 lenses. Wouldn't you have the same issues using a 52MM lens and the Ulanzi cage? I like the idea of a variable ND 52MM lens. What is your recommendation between the 3 options? Thanks
Yeah, that's a good point. I wouldn't use the Ulanzi cage + variable ND underwater either. Your best bet for shooting underwater is using PolarPro filters. PolarPro even makes filters specifically for diving to help color correct underwater. If you're not shooting underwater, then you have more ND filter options.
I'm new to GoPro and just bought the Hero9. My focus is not underwater, I'm just looking for a good ND & polarized option. Leaning towards using the 52MM as it gives me many options, but will the Ulanzi cage get in the way of action filming? Maybe I should just get the PolarPro lenses? Please advise???
thanx
You're welcome!
Wow, great information!
Thanks for watching 🙏🙂
@@Gemini_Connect Brilliant video and explanations considering I'm hard of hearing and you don't talk too fast like most Americans on RUclips seem to do which is music to my ears
Do I need to use filters if making videos on a sunny day with no clouds on auto settings? If so, what would you recommend for that?
Also if I use iso max 100 and I film at 1080p 60fps (or 4K 60fps), what filter would be best to use for same conditions (sunny day no clouds) ?
It would be used mainly for just walking around outdoors and some beach/seaside shots
I have the Hero 9
Thank you 😊
@UCSRgQYy1WSx%F0%9F%99%82ZHle0_9tXncQ Whew, that's good to hear! After the fact I always think I'm speaking too fast, but glad to hear otherwise.
If you're filming on auto settings, whether you need an ND filter or not is up to your personal preference. GoPro unfortunately does not show you the camera settings (shutterspeed, ISO) that it chooses for you when shooting in auto, or a histogram, or any of the tools that you would normally use on a "pro" camera to determine whether you need the filter or not. So the best you can do is eyeball it, make a guess, review your footage later, and learn what conditions you tend to have blown out shots by not using an ND. Generally speaking, if it's a super sunny, non-cloudy day, we'll at least use an ND 8 and this helps us get footage that isn't blown out. Hope this helps!
@@Gemini_Connect Thank you for your reply
On the ND 8 filter you mentioned, would that be whilst in auto or what settings would you use if manual ?
@@brianmagicman3556 We shoot auto on the GoPro 99% of the time. If we ever shoot in manual, it's 24fps, 1/50 sec shutter speed, ISO min 100 and ISO max 400. If you shoot manual, you will most likely need an ND filter, but which one depends on the lighting conditions. It may take some trial an error to figure out which filter works best -- you just want the one that will even out your lighting.
Nice Explanation mam
Thanks Ajay!
@@Gemini_Connect you are welcome mam
Hi, great video, very usefull. i have a question, if i choose the telesin ND filters i have a notable drop of quality than the Polar Pro ND? The Money for Polar Pro are whorth or i should get the telesin and save money?
Depends on your eye for quality. The Telesin just clips on the existing GoPro lens, while the PolarPro full-on replaces it, so PP will give you better quality. But it takes longer to change out the filter, so that can be an issue.
So I've seen some videos now about ND filters and probably it's because those all are just "not postprocessed".
To me all those videos look too dark now. So what's the goal to get it to a great cinematic experience again?
Make them brighter in post-producation?
Thanks in advance,
Mike
I wonder if that ND filter you mejtoned helps with getting the fisheye and cinema look combined? Or do i need the GoPRO fisheye lens mod also in addition to ND filters yo umentioned-recommended? I have the same Hero 9 with the same camera holder that turns into a mini tripod.
You can usevthe ultra wide lens on the GoPro to get a fisheye effect. Or get the Max Lens Mod for an even wider shot.
Hey! Thanks for all the great content. Trying to decide if I should get the iSteady Holdom gimbal or not after watching your Gimbal video. I'd also like to get the Ulanzi Cage or adapter to add on ND's. Can the Holdom gimbal attach onto the GoPro with either the Ulanzi Cage or ND filter adapter? If not, what's more beneficial between Gimbal stabilization and avoiding over-exposure with ND filters (couldn't you just edit out overexposure aftewards)? Thank you so much!
The iSteady will not support accessories -- it will only hold a GoPro by itself. If you get a GoPro Hero 7/8/9, Hypersmooth stabilization is arguably enough to replace a gimbal. ND filters are more important if shooting in bright conditions. Overexposure is very hard to fix in post production as blown out highlights (extreme overexposure) are lost and cannot be fixed. If you want a gimbal that can hold the GoPro with the Ulanzi cage + extra accessories, the Moza Mini P is a good choice (review video coming soon).
@@Gemini_Connect You are amazing - thank you and have the best weekend! If I get a ND adapter for the GoPro 8, will ANY 52 mm filter work (even ones meant for DLSR's/other cameras)? Thinking of getting a variable for convenience even if it means each filter setting won't be as high quality as if it was on its own
@@davidtrees4 yup, any 52mm filter should fit with the adapter.
Solid intel! I just picked up some Camera Butter ND filters for the GP9.
Not sure how well they work but I’ve seen other people use them and they look good. I wonder how they compare to the polar pro filters
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Nice, haven't heard of that brand but hope they work well for you!
@@Gemini_Connect I tried it yesterday and so far I think they have a quality item. I’m new to all this and now I need to work on color grading. Appreciate the reply. I like your channel 🕺
Do you think that the adapter for the 52mm. filter for the Osmo Action??
Thanx
I'm not sure -- just checked Ulanzi's site and don't see any filter adapters for Osmo Action.
Hi! To remain the Hypersmooth capability with ND filters are you supposed to dial up your shutter speed? I think it defeats the purpose if you have to use a gimbal. Is there any recommendations you could give?
Yes, Hypersmooth seems related to shutterspeed, therefore the amount of light hitting the sensor. It's possible to use ND filters and not lose Hypsmooth functionality when shooting in ultra bright conditions. The problem comes when shooting in dark places with GoPro (we don't recommend doing that) or when you manually set your shuttersoeed to be double that of your frame rate. For this latter case, ask yourself why you're doing that in the first place. Is it worth getting "cinematic" footage with motion blur, or do you prefer having Hypersmooth stabilization?
@@Gemini_Connect I'd definitely prefer hypersmooth. Personally, I can do without the motion blur as I feel it is less noticeable than a ridiculously shaky video. I really don't expect anyone to say "Hey, nice motion blur" on a shaky video. If the video could be stabilized without hypersmooth on, say with the camera on a locked down tripod or on a gimbal then definitely go for some motion blur with a proper ND filter.
Till wich value can we lower the shutter speed on the go pro 10 while still being able to use the nd filter ?
The answer varies depending on your lighting conditions.
For more best 52mm you can remove the default lens cover and then ready to shoot.
Will the Ulanzi 52mm housing fix on a GoPro Hero 10?
If it fits the Hero 9, it will fit the Hero 10.
Is ND 8 your most used or do you ever use ND 32?
Hii, i used ulanzi adapter ring for 52mm and then i plug my Nd filters, why my pictures is vignette?? Something Like in my corner is blackout in superview mode. So i want ask is problem for my nd filters ??? Or ???
If i remove nd filter, no more vignette
can you use the filters with the Media Mod on the gopro?
The GoPro filters, yes. Not the 52mm filter.
Can we expect nd filters that are compatible with the max lens mod?
Unfortunately no. The Max lens mod is larger and would need its own custom filter. To my knowledge, no Max lens filters exist at the moment.
Do you have any advice for at night GoPro 9 filing ? ND filter needed? Polarizer? Anything would help
Both ND filters and polarizers darken your image, so best not to use either of them at night.
@@Gemini_Connect thanks guys ! Your the best I'm starting my Travel channel soon ! I get so awesome tips from your content , keep it up great work
Have a Q.
The filters that you just pop on to GP original without removing the original. You said it might effect vid quality little cuz you r now filming through two filters...
But isn't the GP original filter just clear glass?? ...in purpose for protecting the camera lens?
Yes and yes. Every filter, even if it's just clear and protective, has the potential of enhancing or degrading image quality.
I made a setup with ulanzi case on my 7Silver with a CPL 52mm from amazonbasics and the video is cropped in arc shape on corners....any pointers here please.
Don't know -- haven't seen that issue before.
@@Gemini_Connect thanks for the reply, i now intend to dig on other lens make to explore. What brand did you use though on your GP
Go video. Thank you for the info. For me, it would be a hassle to change out to the Polar Pro ones all the time. They're probably junk, but I want to check out the Ulanzi line? Regardless, as you said, it's not the greatest option to stack lenses.
Ulzani makes great products in general. I didn't know they had filters, but I would guess that they're pretty solid. In practice, we also get annoyed with physically removing the PolarPros. We end up using the clip on Telesin filters out of convenience.
@@Gemini_Connect Copy. Yeah, that was my biggest thing. I spend 8-10 hours filming fishing videos on the ocean, so that would be a problem. It's already difficult enough what I do now and not to add additional stress. I normally fish from a kayak or float tube, so there is always the chance that I will flip over and lost everything too. Thank you for your great videos and honest opinions!
Will there be vignetting when using VND’s?
It's definitely possible. Depends on your lighting conditions and the positioning of the filter.
What brand of variable ND filter do you use/ or recommend?
We use Tiffen.
I think that the regular ND filter is the best when you can use both GoPro and other cameras. The downside is only the size of filter that might blind your front screen. Thank for sharing.
Good point! Thanks for watching.
i have a hero 8 ulanzi case and the variable nd filter. i get rounded off in the corners as if the nd filter is protruding forward and comes in the FOV. how do i fix this?
Hmm...not sure. We skipped ND filters with the Hero 8.
Same problem
I find it impossible to remove the original filter from my Black 7 although I am not a weak person. Is there a trick other than pulling the filter upwards and turning it anticlockwise? Given this I think the option #1 using a variable filter seems to be most feasible when on an adventure. Thanx 🙂
The original GoPro filter is really hard to remove the first time, but it gets much easier after you do it once.
@@Gemini_Connect Ah ok, many thanks. In the meanwhile I have found there is a tool for it (a substitution for a wrench): DREAMPICK LENS REMOVER
What camera is this shot on? The quality is amazing!
Fujifilm X-T3 with the 18-55mm kit lens.
Oh my god so good. Was the noise reduction and sharpness disabled in the time of shooting? Thanks for fast answer :)
@@smalldeekgeorge nope. Just regular standard profile.
@@Gemini_Connect thanks
Consider doing a video editing tutorial :)
Will do! Thanks for the suggestion.
Yeah, please do
An editing video would be great.
@@garrettheichemer4706 One editing video is up! ruclips.net/video/u9qVokGcj0o/видео.html
Hi I am having a issue with stabilization when filming video in 5k 24 frames per second
And 1/48, I have stabilization on.
what am I doing incorrectly? thanks
Your shutterspeed is at 1/48? That's why the video is unstable. Switch SS to auto, or use a gimbal.
@@Gemini_Connect that worked auto SS thanks ! love your videos btw keep up the good work. Hugs from bend Oregon
I have a Gopro 9 camera If I buy an ND filter Where do I need to use it 16 or 32 which one is good Thank you in advance
It depends on your lighting conditions. Start with 16 and increase to 32 if it is still too bright.
@@Gemini_Connect Thank you very much, I wish you continued success👏👏👍👍👍
Does ND affect the IS on gopro 9?
It can if it's dark or there is not enough light. NDs darken the image and lower your shutter speed. Lower shutterspeed = more chances for unstable footage.
Anyone know where to get cheaper nd filters Bc i dont feel like spending 80$ on them :(
Check Amazon. There are usually a bunch of cheaper third party options. But for filters, you generally see a big difference in the glass quality between the cheap and expensive filters.
3:41 - the cross-effect distortion (usually not visible through the shutter) which explains why most still 'togs avoid using circular ND filters. Set value filters are much better and avoid this time-wasting effect. It is * really* disappointing to take a whole set of photos at this ND-value and lose them all to this distortion.
Does CPL filter lower the stabilization quality as ND filters?
Yes because they darken
@@Gemini_Connect thank you!
So none filter will work for action videos?
@@bitomorais which filter?
@@Gemini_Connect telesin cpl filter. Kind of polarized len
@@bitomorais it works.
Say good bye to stabilization as soon as you decrease shoutter speed, very disapointed with go pro 9
I don't think that is a GoPro problem. You would lose stabilization in most cameras if you decrease shutterspeed, which is why it's best to use a gimbal.
@@Gemini_Connect ok, thats right, but having a gimbal on an action camera has no sense for me.
in my opinion, lens flare can be a cinematic effect
Yes, it can (anamorphic lenses are a good example). However, there's good lens flare and bad lens flare. The latter is an indication that the lens coating is cheap.
24FPS, Good Lighting in my opinion will get you a good cinematic look
The trick is good lighting 😉
@@Gemini_Connect team 30fps?
@@cameranerdsmedia was until recently. Now shooting in 24fps more.
@@Gemini_Connect same!
When you will do comparison video with pocket 2? Pocket is much better then gopro 9 I think
No plans to get the Pocket 2, unless someone sends it to us or lets us borrow. We have the original pocket and honestly think GoPro is more useful.
Lucky the ND filters work on the 9 and up to the 12 as of the time of this comment.
little pricey is not the term i would use
they are borderline overpriced. 1/4 of the camera's worth, yeah
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Do you have a link for the adapter that you used at 5:22 time in this video ?