I’m from Northern Ireland too. I wasn’t brought up to fear the police- I just did. I remember they called to our house when we where children and our parents weren’t home. My sister was an early teen.They made us stand outside the house and searched us. We where two little girls. How they spoke to us and treated us was harsh and intimidating. When my father returned, they realised they had the wrong address. I’ve never forgotten it though and how they treated two wee girls by themselves. My parents where good and innocent people. We where innocent. Those where dark days and many suffered far far worse treatment than that. But I’ve never forgotten it along with all the other early memories of bombs going off and walking down the street as a child with a soldier pointing his machine gun at me. That was the norm. Northern Ireland has a PTSD epidemic.
I'm pretty sure this was engineered to break the spirit of the human. If you look closely, this badge heavy attitude the academy promotes has only fueled the absolute knowledge that ALL police, everywhere, are agents of the state. Your governments need poor, angry masses. All governments. No exceptions. But don't worry, you have access to drugs and alcohol for your coping skills.
@@jolina298 The Troubles involved the IRA and The British Army. It lasted from the 60s to the late 90s. Many people lost their lives and people/children witnessed a lot of it. There's many articles and pages about it online, search for "Northern Ireland conflict" and it'll all be there, as its far too much information for me to convey in a RUclips comment.
I'm curious by what you mean? What was different in London that made you think this way? Also, many English children now adults were raised being afraid of the Irish. It sadly negatively impacted children on both sides.
@@MsBhappy Only the ones in bitter communities the rest of us dont really give a toss about what religion you are we work together but the cities and bigger towns are always crying about the troubles
I don't really know what the story is about, but in past certain communities in Ireland people would look down on beautiful looking young women like this young woman and call them names. Their families would but them into these laundry houses run by the Catholic Church and they'd be shut away from the world for years just because they're beautiful looking😢! 🙏🙏🙏
I see that with my parents with Apartheid in South Africa. It's heart breaking. I don't think what happened in Derry is spoken about globally as much as it should be.
Because the English are responsible that's why. They would have to hold their hands up and say we did X y and z and we knew and we lied and hid information and many many innocent people died because of it
My family comes from Northern Ireland, and my uncle grew up in Belfast, he also struggles with alcohol. The Irish people have suffered so many cultural traumas from the Potato Famine, the War of Independence, The Civil War and then The Troubles. I'm so proud of my Irish heritage and I'm always moved by our people's humour, wit and resilience in the face of it all. But we still have a lot of healing to do and I'm so glad that these conversations are starting to open up, and we I really think we have our Derry Girls to thanks for that ☘️🇮🇪
This is where the stereotype is so harmful. People call the Irish drinkers, yet forget they aren’t long since out of a serious domestic terrorism crisis and then a rush of British police “helping”. So many will suffer from PTSD and are receiving no help. If anyone else who had suffered so severely drank, they’d be seen as victims, the Irish are seen as drunkards. Which then carries the cycle on. They’re not willing to be perpetual victims, they’re Irish. 💚
* potato blight. Famine happened due to the blight and then further starvation due to the removal of other crops to England and restrictions placed on - for example ? Fishing. Land ownership as well only compounding problems further mate
@@kirstybrown1185there's a gene I believe lends us to alcoholism that little bit more... this is also evidenced in a lot of new world countries were first nation tribes fall foul to something very similar... But @#$& it !!!...most are jealous they get left by us under the table most of the time. 🤪
In 1991, I was a 22-year-old American tourist traveling across Europe with my family. My father, a peace activist, made certain that we visited Northern Ireland. After spending a night in what was, I believe, the only bed-and-breakfast in Belfast in those days, we caught the ferry to Liverpool. During the crossing, I fell into conversation with a young woman from Derry who was on her way back to school in England. She was funny and smart and very, very sarcastic. From her I learned the expression "subtle like a bomb," a phrase that she used to describe the volatile complexity of her homeland. My sixteen-year-old daughter and I are now two episodes into the third series of "Derry Girls." We have laughed until our ribs ached, and been moved to tears by the show's moments of gentle, occasionally gripping, pathos. The story's genius lies in how well it captures the universal impulse, going back at least to Aristophanes, to employ humor and satire to survive the tragic. I think of the Derry girl I met more than 30 years ago, and I hope she is still laughing. Congratulations, Northen Ireland, for 25 years of peace. You deserve every happiness.
As a Welshman who lived in Northern Ireland/ north of Ireland, I hope it continues and our friendship across the sea grows stronger, what a beautiful paragraph mate hope you’re well and have a good Xmas across the pond
@@exsilencioIreland had more trauma than war the catholic church and locking women in work houses who were often raped by a family member and pregnant not mentioning the horrors of the children homes til the 90s. England' did wrong but so have many empire and we are sick of the constant shaming. We have a corrupt bad parliment we have a class system and imperlism that needs to go but stop attacking the country and people we had our own issues and have mass poverty. Sick of this colonising shit while you ignore the current global manopolising capitalism threatening everyone
My parents are the same generation as hers and the trauma and PTSD from the troubles is rife. My mum is still wary of the army and the police because she lived near a checkpoint and they would check her school bus every day. She was terrified any time the police pulled over her car. My dad was blown across the kitchen from a bomb when he was a child. His head hit the cooker. When I tell people I'm from Omagh, I always notice their face changing because they automatically think of the bomb. I grew up with my parents anxieties of going to Derry and other places because of bomb threats. I was born towards the end of the troubles but the fears and trauma have definitely been passed on to my generation as well. It's truly devastating and I agree with how unfair it all was for my parents and their families.
I was born in England, but my family come from Belfast. They left before I was born because my Catholic mother married my Protestant soldier father and it was felt this didn't do wonders for their life expectancy. They also received death threats and I believe my grandfather's car was bombed. He wasn't in it at the time fortunately. Even though I grew up away from all that, I still feel the pain of what happened. I feel the loss of what should have been my home. There's a separation from my culture. I have a very Irish name, which lead to bullying in school as I was different. But when I've been to Ireland, I've been too English. I'm caught between two worlds and I can never quite fit in with either. We are a refugee family. We left because we would otherwise have been killed. This trauma isn't recognised as such though.
This made me cry. My a few of my ancestors are Irish and came here to America because they were starving. Irelands people have suffered so much. 💔 My love to your family
Post war trauma.. it’s takes a long time to heal, generations and even though it’s nowhere near as bad as it was then we still see the lasting effects from it. I’m driving to Belfast from Dublin next week and even I’m weary of driving through certain areas with a republican Irish plate. The troubles weren’t as long a go as people think.
@@katfoster845 You’re in the catch 22 situation, it must have been very hard, it’s brings on generational problems too. I get what you are saying. There were a lot of other families that were in the same predicament. As result some families turning their backs on them etc. It’s really ridiculous at the end of the day, but so very serious for some back then. I have a friend who went through something similar. Catholic father, Protestant mother but this would have been the early 90s so it’s was obviously not as intense, but they had to move to Dublin and the mothers family felt shamed that their daughter had married a catholic. My own history is weird in that way also.. I think a few generations ago there was a big split because my surname would be deemed Protestant but all the clan to the south of the border are staunch Roman catholic, Leitrim, Fermanagh, Sligo area. I should really try look into it.
@@Vee92521my heritage is similar. My Irish heritage were Irish potato farmers who left Ireland because of famine too and moved to Birmingham, England, UK.
My grandmother who raised me who grew up in Derry in the 1880s -1930’s. She always had a permanent sadness about her & would speak little of her past. She married & had children from an IRA member & got stranded in America while he was wanted by the British for his activities. He died shortly after arrival. Even though my generation didn’t grow up there, there was always this affect or psychological depression & defensiveness from the damage they went through. Her many brother’s were all buried young on their farm from the conflicts in the vicinity. Her broken heart never left home, despite her courageous & loyal soul. Her her dying wish was to send me back with family. But I was brought back to the States to be left eventually in an orphanage. It was all very confusing.
As a black american I can 100% understand where she’s coming from. It’s so scary and strange to see the people who are supposed to be protecting you or showing respect just wholeheartedly be terrible. Growing up I seen people who looked like me, in my own state get hurt by the police constantly on the news. And it was something that just left such a weird taste in my mouth. It is so wonderful that she was able to share her story and provide insight on it. I hope her and her people know that so many of us hear them and only ever wish them the best. 💖
The police in the North were brutal, they were more heavily armed than most American cops and had full rights to detain anyone for any reason, they were allowed to torture prisoners, and they were allowed to put you in prison without a trial.
@@fiancefreedomjourney the video is about fearing the police, this person is mentioning their own experience and how they feel similar despite being from a different country. Its a different perspective, not unrelated.
@@fiancefreedomjourneyIf you were actually a black American, you’d understand why they’re bringing up their own experience. It’s because they understand how Irish people feel as well in relation the police. I feel bad that you don’t have the capacity to empathize with others.
@@katelyn364she is relating to her. That’s part of what empathy is, the ability to relate. If she were having a face to face conversation with her and just made it about her own struggles that’s different, but it’s a comment section where you’re allowed to share your insight too.
Just to clarify for those who may not know. She's referring to the British police here and not the Irish Gardaí. The british police and troops put the fear into every Irish Citizen in Derry. The segregation has not stopped and with examples of all the " peace walls" ( 18foot high) that were built by the brits After! the peace treaty shows this. ( The peace lines or peace walls are a series of separation barriers in Northern Ireland that separate predominantly Irish republican neighbourhoods from predominantly British loyalist and unionists neighbourhoods. )
When I went to uni in the mid-2000s, the English, Scottish, and Welsh students would reminiscence about cartoons, The Singing Kettle, Roald Dahl books. The NI kids would talk about car bombs. It didn't strike my privileged English brain until that moment the gravity of the war that had happened on our doorstep. I can't imagine what that level of terror and instability does to people. Bloody awful doesn't begin to cover it.
“If the people who are supposed to protect you and look after you.. you’re brought up afraid of them and distrusting of them…it leaves you a bit lost” this applies to all systems of power including abusive parents. 😢 we all deserve healing.
We do nothing but talk about it, I'm sick talking about it. Unfortunately the awful minority of the older generation messed up the rest of them and it's getting passed along
@@JayM-wg7ddthe Irish people will never forget. 900 years of history isn’t going to erase itself just because it’s inconvenient for certain people. If you don’t stand for something, you’ll fall for anything. The divide is ingrained in us not only from the older generations, our schools and community in general plays a massive part. In Derry you have the city side, then the waterside. The city side is predominantly catholic and the waterside is predominantly Protestant. We go to different schools and we have completely different upbringings. Admittedly it’s not as hostile as it was while I was growing up, but it doesn’t change how people feel. It’s a massive part of our history that won’t be forgotten or forgiven and it shouldn’t be either.
My husband and I are both Anglo-Irish heritage. In 1986 we spent 10 days in Ireland on our honeymoon, after taking the Ferry from Stranraer to Larne. We bussed from Larne to Belfast, to get the train to Dublin. We had to enter Belfast, which was virtually a walled city, through a Checkpoint, where British Troops boarded the Bus, checked under seats with mirrors, asked a few questions, I think they had a sniffer dog with them. That ONE incident is BURNED into this Canadian’s memory, so how could anyone who had to live with that, day in and out, NOT have PTSD ? Thankfully we were back in Ireland in 2014. The change was palpable, and a wonderful thing. Slainte. 🇮🇪🇨🇦 PS: Derry Girls is one of the BEST Series I’ve ever seen. Going to re-watch from Season 1. Stellar Cast.
I grew up in Derry during the Troubles. And I always felt bad for the people in other parts of the North, who were surrounded by loyalists. At least we had Donegal at our backs, a place to retreat. The police and the army were running and participating in death squads. Approved at the highest levels of government. It was a dark, dark conflict. I think people are still getting their heads around just how rotten it all was. They want to forget it and move on - but it's not that simple, especially when you're still living under a British government. I always think of the man who survived the Miami Showband massacre, he played dead I think. A truly horrific event, designed to terrorize people. So there he is, sitting by the side of the road in the middle of the night, with his friends all shot to bits lying around him. Who is he hoping shows up? The cops? The army? It was the cops and the army who did it.
Well why don't all the "derry" people who are so badly treated not move to donegal now ? Maybe because 90 percent of them love their British free house and benefits and cars etc.
I just binged watched Derry Girls and though I knew a bit about what happened, I didn't know the entirety of the story I've made an intentional decision to learn about the war and the troubles. While doing my ancestry tree, I found that my mother's side comes from Derry specifically. I live in the United States but I've always felt a connection with Irish culture even before I knew that part of my ancestors came from there. I didn't do well in school with history because of ADHD, but now there are so many ways to learn about things now that I am enjoying learning about history. And I think it's important. Derry Girls was certainly more than just a show. It was an awesome show that made me laugh a lot. But it also brought awareness to the reality of what families went through. Well done.
My youngest son ( then11, now 19) was so afraid, he was sleeping next to me on the couch. Didn’t want to use his bed. We didn’t wear nightgowns or Pyjama, but t-Shirts and jogging pants, just in case something would happen during nighttime. One day, police came with a special task force, searching for my older son. He was 17 (24 now) sleeping on the couch , sick with a cold & fever. They didn’t care about that, they searched the flat, went through all rooms. I chased a policewoman out of my youngest son’s room, then went to the kitchen , there was a very young police man with a torch and his gun in his hand! Ready to shoot someone down. Later it turned out that it was a mistake, but it is surely a trauma to us! No excuse from their side, of course… that wasn’t the only incident, but one of the worst.
Life in Northern Ireland is still overshadowed by this, because though the PTSD is plainly evident the facilities for treating the effects are limited and under funded.
I’m from the west of Scotland and my grandparents are from Derry and Donegal. Our usual uber driver is from Belfast and heard all about the troubles from all of them but he just broke down one day and it broke my heart cause he spoke of it the same way my grandparents did, we need to keep having these conversations with different generations so history doesn’t repeat itself ❤
Bless this lady for speaking so honestly about this. I can't imagine how frightening it must be to still live like this. So much intergenerational trauma, and there are more peace walls NOW than there were in the Troubles.
We stayed two weeks in Ireland, and stayed several days in Derry. We now plan on retiring to there. The people have a genuineness to them that’s hard to find outside of certain places. I grew up in poverty in the Delta and recognized it immediately- it’s the weight of generational trauma while trying to stay hopeful. God Bless Daiore. ♥️
She’s puts this into such a clearer perspective than I’ve heard it in years, really touched my soul ❤So eloquently said, thank you 🙏 and I hope you don’t feel that fear for much longer ❤
Derry is a much better place to live in these days than it used to be. The police that she grew up with, the Royal Ulster Constabulary, has been replaced by Police Service Northern Ireland. It's not perfect, but it's definitely more reflective of an actual police force compared to the bandits that were the RUC. The cause of the fear might be somewhat relieved, but the trauma lingers in the people who remember them.
@@gogovideo10iam gonna say something a little controversial. the standard of 'good serving officers' was better in the RUC than it is in today's PSNI. they are shite. Almost full stop. Granted the decent constables in the RUC would have been fewer and further between the well meaning but ultimately hopeless yokes they have now... The actual standard of policing is way down. Far too many promoted due to a shite degree and kicked with a particular foot ??? They sacrificed quality albeit with the best of intentions...
It's refreshing to hear her prospective. There are so many of us that don't have a clue of what went on, and may be still going on. Its untold damage. 🇮🇪💚
I love this... how could you not have trauma after the troubles. 1st generation in USA Listening to the stories about my cousins in Ireland left me changed.. and I was thousands of miles away. The distrust of the police carries over as well..i got the message too. Thank you for this post ☘️ 🌈 ❤️
I’m from the U.S. and know very little about this piece of recent history. I’m learning more than ever just reading this comment section. I wonder why this isn’t talked about more. My heart aches for those who’ve lived through this! God bless each and every one of you!❤
Being a Sri Lankan, Derry Girls really hit home because of the civil war that lasted over 25 years in my own country. Those experiences NEVER leave you.
My mother had the same problems growing up in her town in eastern Czechoslovakia in the 1930’s. With the rise of Hitler, the police felt that they had license to persecute the Jews without fear of repercussions. As a result my mother grew up with a visceral fear of the police. It wasn’t until she emigrated to the US in 1958 and met NYC police officers who treated her with kindness and respect that she felt any relief. She always loved the NYPD for being nice to her.
My family are from Donegal and we always have a taxi from Dungloe pick us up at Belfast airport and the driver would always be going through Derry on the way back. She is a great brave woman to admit to being damaged by the Troubles I have been struggling with suicidal depression and the more people in Europe admit that they are struggling with the same thing the better for the people who have been struggling and keeping it in from the world
I live in northern ireland and my parents and my grandparents always talk about this and i can’t believe what they went through my uncles almost died bc of a bomb and my dad and grandpa almost died too so i just want to say thank you for 25 years of peace
Same, a lot of our family friends died during the Troubles, but my dad rarely talks about it. I don’t think the peace process ever made up for all the hurt and evil that went on, however NI is honestly the best place to live on the island and the UK. Great schools, good jobs, relatively good healthcare, really beautiful place and a much lower cost of living. Most places are relatively segregated in terms of living and specifically Catholic schools, however in terms of community clubs, work, shopping, ect it’s not much more than anywhere else. It’s much more solid than Scotland, we’re nicer than England, (poor wales) and if you’re a fan of universal healthcare better off than the South.
I am that teenager who wrote poetry in her diary, and I am so proud of them! They show my growth as a poet but also as a person, as I become more emotionally controlled and complex through them. They were not only a great outlet for me when I had no support system but I think some of them (while angsty) are really lovely
She is so funny,beautiful, and an Irish girl to boot,she is gorgeous and a fantastic actress,this girl can act,Hollywood calling,that’s how much she grips you with her appetite for life.The main talking point is something ridiculous that they need to be allowed to move on the way they want,with everything involved from the past,ALL the wrongs,ALL of them victims need help to heal one another,the Irish are bloody peace loving people,they never asked for that,my two bobs worth.🏴🙏🪢
It’s easy to say from the outside it’s ridiculous and I’ve heard more bigotry from Scottish people than the English. Hundreds of people, mostly citizens, a lot of them kids were brutally slaughtered either intentionally or just brushed off as collateral. You never hear about why even though a good few counties in the South voted to stay in the UK, there are hardly any Protestants there now. They didn’t all just move, and they weren’t gently encouraged to leave. Non-COI congregations had been historically discriminated against in horrific ways, particularly the Catholics, and of course the Irish Kingdom never asked to be invaded by the English or colonised by you in the first place. You’re probably a lovely person, but you are being unbelievably awful here. You’re telling someone with a rotten wisdom tooth that they should just pull it out themselves and stop whining when they’re already in the dentist’s chair and you’re saying it in such a condescending way. Please stop. You don’t understand anything that happened or is going on. If you want to talk about it please go to NI, talk to people from all the communities, and don’t say anything, just listen. Then you will understand. Please do not watch any English or Irish documentaries, just listen to real NI voices in NI from ordinary people. Then you can go back home and tell people there what you heard, and stop the wave of Scottish bigotry and callousness against all NI people.
I had a very difficult time growing up there even though i left in 1984. I moved to London drank a lot and cried myself to sleep every night for a long time. Couldn't have relationships and recently had EMDR therapy for post trauma. I was from the Scottish Planter community and Presbyterian xx
It is very sad to be scared of the people who’s supposed to protect you, I’m from Mexico and every time I see a police officer I feel so scared and anxious knowing they could do whatever to me and they will not have any consequences. I totally understand 🥺🫶🏼
As a black American Muslim, I totally get this. Nowhere seems safe if you can’t trust the authorities to protect & serve you. The mentality “Guilty until proven innocent” has no place in society! Freedom for All! ❤
To read these comments, my heart goes out to everyone here(woman or man Irish or not) from America, as that is where I am from. May everyone be blessed with happiness ❤✨️
This hits deep 😢 I can still see how the civil war in early 90' affected algerians in so many levels. No healing was accomplished. Irish people and oppressed communities are so brave. Bless you all❤
My family on mum's side is from Belfast and I went there for two weeks and it's the time I experienced what life is really about. Guns, tanks in the street, English soldiers who I felt connected to yet they're screaming at me and my family, arrests on the street every moment which is never known before... I loved my home country but I realised how lucky I was to be in Manchester
I wish society/culture/the government in the USA could hear and learn from this... so many people traumatized by the people supposed to protect them here. bless her for speaking up about something that still effects so many people.
I don't think what happened in Derry is talked about enough around the world. I only recently found out about what happened because of Derry Girls which I only recently started watching.
I relate to this in a different context. I was SA’ed by my own grandad when I was a kid. The police did nothing about it and said I’d get over it, and he got off scotfree. My parents also didn’t catch him until he’d been doing it a few years. I never got mental health support. It’s given my c-ptsd as everyone who should have protected me and supported me didn’t. I struggle hugely with trust issues now. So I can totally empathise with the people of Derry from Herat she says here.
After russia invaded my country, somehow naturally I started to learn about Northern Ireland’s experience. And it still freaks me out what life people had there and the consequences that they’re still facing. And because I’m sure that all these experiences will (and already are) be relevant to Ukrainians later, I’m incredibly happy that terrible time for Ireland is over. Feel for all of you💙
Jamie i can't say how you feel, but on the bright side Derry Girls you and the fabulous team with you have made a fantastic success with the series, the writer and editor and the fabulous cast, i am alone now a bit down in the Dumps.What happened next was a God send ,all the way from Derry, one BEAUTIFUL and beautiful 😍 also, Fantastic show the Derry Girls. What a laugh i have watching 👀 the videos 📹 on my phone 📱. God bless you all ❤🎉😅 and a Big thank you too everyone who has any thing too do with this Fabulous show. From a very Happy Fan DOWN SOUTH. God bless all ❤🎉❤😮😅.
This is no different than whats happening to any marginalized group. Imagine the plight of the African- Americans in the USA and the Palestinians. Just sad and disgusting. They are constantly battling self esteeem, confidence and being in flight or fright.
These are the kind of stories the British have kept out of the media and have never given credence to. Thankfully allowing this to be said is what will bring about healing and peace.
@@redcap-t4tyes it is a channel 4 show - I don’t know what you mean by British being a monolith. Their history and influence on others especially the Irish has been shameful without self awareness and reflection.
I grew up in a Catholic country in Ireland and it hurt me so bad... and it makes me feel scared because I often see my own religion attack other reglious because they are angry their own trauma
"...Something experts recognise as linked to 'Troubles' related trauma". This is absolutely true. There's nothing more powerfully disturbing of our psychological well-being, than fear.
I’m Irish living in Canada and always beloved it. I renounced my citizenship last week. I’m an outreach worker- an advanced overdose responder. I save lives for a living, I endanger myself- during lockdown I was alone doing cpr on sidewalks. Last week there was a drug poisoning overdose incident- I ran to it with oxygen, bag valve, airways for the throat, narcan, blood oximeter, 3 related degrees and COUNTLESS medical certifications and security clearances to work with vulnerable people. Lately I’ve been attacked with machetes, firsts, knives etc. but they have the reason at least of mental illness plus chemical addiction. Anyways I responded to the overdose with all that gear, the guy was blue and hard as a statue. Not breathing. I injected him, tested his o2 levels and gave him a mask at 15l per m while rousing him with pain stimuli and his name. Eventually a nearby medic came and helped. It was difficult and one of the very few times I didn’t know if they would survive. Seizures and overdose simultaneously. We saved him and brought the dead person back to life. Then I ran 12 feet to get cold water and came back and the cops were there. One had a machine gun that looked like something from 2064. I was carrying two cups of cold water on a dangerously hot day for the victim and the medic who helped and this cop with a machine gun just GRABBED MY ARM and shouted “WALL AWAY‼️” thereby 1. arresting my movement, not allowing me to continue. That legally IS arrest and I hadn’t been told or read my rights therefore an illegal action. 2. Detained me- which is ONLY allowed if you are under arrest which I wasn’t. That’s unlawful confinement (kidnapping for adults). I do not bend to children with egos so I said “I’m giving them water” and showed how studying martial arts from age 6 makes it VERY easy to get out of a grab and kept walking. THEN. The moment I stopped being a Canadian- he grabbed me, detaining me again, only offering water with a badge for the local Health Authority on my chest. Again he screamed “walk away‼️” like some 20 old pipsqueak scared me when I throw 6 foot plumbers across the room in the fun part of my training. Seeing the absence of ANY fear of HIM… HE RAISED HIS MACHINE GUN TO MY FACE A Canadian militarized copy threatened an outreach worker performing mandatory medical assistance. EVERYTHING CHANGES WHEN A MAN WITH A MACHINE GUN THREATENS YOU FOR OFFERING WATER. I don’t identify as Canadian I am ASHAMED of Canada , ASHAMED of our fearful weakness and ASHAMED that when there are citizens without homes instead of building some living spaces- even a c can canister cut in two is a wonder to a homeless person. To be able to shut the door and be safe is something we can’t really understand the importance of. Instead of doing this, the government in Victoria is spending 10X the money on continual harassment, beating, good old knee on neck for no reason, tearing someone’s home apart with a knife and throwing everything they own into a garbage truck. Our most vulnerable people. Those beaten, raped and abused until they had no choice but to run away from home. Then get preyed upon and addicted for control, more rape more bearings and the police only beat you if you dare complain. THEN they assault a frontline medical worker for offering water to someone who was dead 2 minutes ago. This is not where I grew up and I will die to keep it from becoming the 1984 hell they want. #FIGHT_THE_FUTURE
but you must remember, these are Irish people first. Few white people understand this pain and for some dumb reason, most of the poor underpriveledged white people who hate cops are conservatives who wouldn't lift a finger for a Black man and scream white lives matter while their downtrodden communities recieve the same treatment from the same corrupt government. Their racism and sheer stupidity keeps them this way. This is why the Irish(ireland) are kindred spirits with disenfranchised people across the world unlike most American Irish who forsake their history, trauma, struggles, and perserverence to become slave catchers and police in poor Irish communities shitting on their own people in boston and New york.
@Kevc00 the late 1990s brought "zero tolerance," "minimum sentencing," and "stop & frisk" laws that specifically targeted our black brothers and sisters. I don't know how you can imagine that the plight of black americans ended in the '60. From slavery to jim crow to mass incarceration, one horrible law to the next, we have created this same terror here in the US, and those scars pass generationally.
@@Trogdor1365 it's not even close, the situation of Catholics in Northern Ireland was compared to apartheid South Africa in it's brutality. There was no minimum sentencing in Northern Ireland, because there was no trial. You would go from your bed, to an interrogation room for torture, and the into a cell at Long Kesh where there was more torture. This wasn't illegal or even frowned upon, it was fully legal. The army and the police were responsible for security with near unlimited authority that American police could never even hope to have. Northern Ireland was worse because it was all above board and perfectly legal, arrest without evidence, imprisonment without trial, torture, executions, etc were all legal. Even in America Habeus Corpus was not suspended, in Northern Ireland it was suspended for nearly 30 years.
@Kevc00 the central park 5 might have something to say about that. They were just children, dragged in for interrogation by the police with no cause, no evidence, and no parental consent, intimidated, coerced, and even beaten into confession before being thrown into jail to be assaulted and raped. This wasn't frowned upon or unusual. When police are giving free reign to do what they want over certain groups, evil comes out.
I grew up with one as my Step Father in the late 70’s early 80’s. Was a full on dogpile. I have to admit that through all that misery I did gather a fair bit of wisdom through it all. Truly is traumatic.
I left Derry for London as a child with my parents. It wasn't until years later as a teenager I realised non of my friends in England where scared of British Soldiers or the Police.
I’m not sure it is. There’s certainly generational trauma involved, but the Troubles only ended 25 or so years ago, and I remember local bomb scares up until about 14 years ago. Every single adult except the very youngest who grew up here had something to be deadly afraid of, on either side. Most people lost people and in horrific ways, and it is only just starting to become generational. That’s why you see kids joining paramilitaries. They never knew the Troubles, and now their parents are convincing them with their traumas that it’s the right thing to do, when actually it is extremely stupid and extremely bad.
This is deeper than regular generational trauma. In Ireland in recent history, you’ve had the IRA and British police taking over the local area and creating an unsafe environment for the locals, which further created more IRA attacks. Unless your older generations were in wartime, they didn’t experience what she’s referring to.
I couldn't believe how shocked my German cousins were about a bomb being ten miles from us. I think I kind of thought bombs and bomb scares were normal.
She's so right. Peole from Derry, Tyrone, Belfast, Enniskillen, all over Ulster the whole island even are very strong people, they had to be, but i don't think people realise the lasting effect that need to be strong has on someone or how it effects them. I'm from a town in donegal on the boarder with Derry. I watched my dad being marched behind a metal wall at the check point so many times (even at Christmas visiting santa). As a child you shouldn't be thinking "why are they still taking Daddy there? They know daddy, are they just bullying him". Or how nervous you become when you see a policeman because of past events. Or how happy your brother is when he comes home because he doesn't want his kids to see what we saw when we were kids.
It’s terrible how the people in Ireland are just expected to never speak of the trauma the British government put them through. It’s not to place blame but they should be allowed speak of the generations of trauma ,mental health and issues in the community as a results. They’ve just been abandoned to deal with it all and if they dare speak on it branded as bigots or even worse.
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I’m from Northern Ireland too. I wasn’t brought up to fear the police- I just did. I remember they called to our house when we where children and our parents weren’t home. My sister was an early teen.They made us stand outside the house and searched us. We where two little girls. How they spoke to us and treated us was harsh and intimidating. When my father returned, they realised they had the wrong address. I’ve never forgotten it though and how they treated two wee girls by themselves. My parents where good and innocent people. We where innocent. Those where dark days and many suffered far far worse treatment than that. But I’ve never forgotten it along with all the other early memories of bombs going off and walking down the street as a child with a soldier pointing his machine gun at me. That was the norm. Northern Ireland has a PTSD epidemic.
Excuse but I’m not from Ireland, but why is the police so mean?
I'm pretty sure this was engineered to break the spirit of the human. If you look closely, this badge heavy attitude the academy promotes has only fueled the absolute knowledge that ALL police, everywhere, are agents of the state. Your governments need poor, angry masses. All governments. No exceptions. But don't worry, you have access to drugs and alcohol for your coping skills.
@@jolina298 The Troubles involved the IRA and The British Army. It lasted from the 60s to the late 90s. Many people lost their lives and people/children witnessed a lot of it.
There's many articles and pages about it online, search for "Northern Ireland conflict" and it'll all be there, as its far too much information for me to convey in a RUclips comment.
Like many othet placrs in the world.
Were*
As a Derry man. I didn't realise how much the troubles affected me until I moved to London.
Being around the English makes your skin crawl huh
I'm curious by what you mean? What was different in London that made you think this way?
Also, many English children now adults were raised being afraid of the Irish. It sadly negatively impacted children on both sides.
Same i am truly curious.
@@MsBhappy Only the ones in bitter communities the rest of us dont really give a toss about what religion you are we work together but the cities and bigger towns are always crying about the troubles
London Derry to london
She has the most beautiful eyes . Bless her
I don't really know what the story is about, but in past certain communities in Ireland people would look down on beautiful looking young women like this young woman and call them names. Their families would but them into these laundry houses run by the Catholic Church and they'd be shut away from the world for years just because they're beautiful looking😢! 🙏🙏🙏
wtf does that have to do w her story
Beautiful eyes all over Ireland
@@priusdriver596exactly
Yes that's the main takeaway from this story
I see that with my parents with Apartheid in South Africa. It's heart breaking. I don't think what happened in Derry is spoken about globally as much as it should be.
Ironic that the same criminologist that worked with the IRA, worked with Mandela. Friends of mine, I lived with that family in ‘85 outside Durban.
The troubles happened across NI, not just Derry :)
@CaitlynDarragh-ps9rm still unsafe about Derry now though. Children still brought up to hate each other in Derry. They never stopped fighting.
@@irishcountrygirl78same in Belfast peace walls still have to be used bec if the violence
Because the English are responsible that's why. They would have to hold their hands up and say we did X y and z and we knew and we lied and hid information and many many innocent people died because of it
My family comes from Northern Ireland, and my uncle grew up in Belfast, he also struggles with alcohol. The Irish people have suffered so many cultural traumas from the Potato Famine, the War of Independence, The Civil War and then The Troubles. I'm so proud of my Irish heritage and I'm always moved by our people's humour, wit and resilience in the face of it all. But we still have a lot of healing to do and I'm so glad that these conversations are starting to open up, and we I really think we have our Derry Girls to thanks for that ☘️🇮🇪
This is where the stereotype is so harmful. People call the Irish drinkers, yet forget they aren’t long since out of a serious domestic terrorism crisis and then a rush of British police “helping”. So many will suffer from PTSD and are receiving no help. If anyone else who had suffered so severely drank, they’d be seen as victims, the Irish are seen as drunkards. Which then carries the cycle on. They’re not willing to be perpetual victims, they’re Irish. 💚
* potato blight. Famine happened due to the blight and then further starvation due to the removal of other crops to England and restrictions placed on - for example ? Fishing. Land ownership as well only compounding problems further mate
@@kirstybrown1185there's a gene I believe lends us to alcoholism that little bit more... this is also evidenced in a lot of new world countries were first nation tribes fall foul to something very similar...
But @#$& it !!!...most are jealous they get left by us under the table most of the time. 🤪
@@mickeypye2593 ok lol
not a potato famine, only Americans call it that. It was a Famine with a myriad of causes including poor governance by the british.
In 1991, I was a 22-year-old American tourist traveling across Europe with my family. My father, a peace activist, made certain that we visited Northern Ireland. After spending a night in what was, I believe, the only bed-and-breakfast in Belfast in those days, we caught the ferry to Liverpool.
During the crossing, I fell into conversation with a young woman from Derry who was on her way back to school in England. She was funny and smart and very, very sarcastic. From her I learned the expression "subtle like a bomb," a phrase that she used to describe the volatile complexity of her homeland.
My sixteen-year-old daughter and I are now two episodes into the third series of "Derry Girls." We have laughed until our ribs ached, and been moved to tears by the show's moments of gentle, occasionally gripping, pathos. The story's genius lies in how well it captures the universal impulse, going back at least to Aristophanes, to employ humor and satire to survive the tragic.
I think of the Derry girl I met more than 30 years ago, and I hope she is still laughing. Congratulations, Northen Ireland, for 25 years of peace. You deserve every happiness.
As a Welshman who lived in Northern Ireland/ north of Ireland, I hope it continues and our friendship across the sea grows stronger, what a beautiful paragraph mate hope you’re well and have a good Xmas across the pond
Lovely story ❤
@@simonlhill-si4sxAnd to you as well. Wales is a beautiful place.
@@PJ-vc5qiThank you. May the peace grow.
@@antman8887 thank you mate all the best
My dad was born and raised in Derry then struggled with alcohol his whole life even after leaving Derry. The troubles defo affected him
God bless
Happens down south aswel trust me
That's because derry men would drink through a gypsy's sock ffs
@@teresagalvin6233the troubles?
Great of her using her platform to speak out about the issue.
As a Hongkonger I am very sympathetic about the troubles that the Irish people were facing.
@msmissy6888you’re so sad
Too true. English colonialism has been a blight on the world
@@exsilencio exactly!
@@exsilencioIreland had more trauma than war the catholic church and locking women in work houses who were often raped by a family member and pregnant not mentioning the horrors of the children homes til the 90s. England' did wrong but so have many empire and we are sick of the constant shaming. We have a corrupt bad parliment we have a class system and imperlism that needs to go but stop attacking the country and people we had our own issues and have mass poverty. Sick of this colonising shit while you ignore the current global manopolising capitalism threatening everyone
#freehongkong…some of us haven’t forgot. Justice will one day be served.
My parents are the same generation as hers and the trauma and PTSD from the troubles is rife. My mum is still wary of the army and the police because she lived near a checkpoint and they would check her school bus every day. She was terrified any time the police pulled over her car. My dad was blown across the kitchen from a bomb when he was a child. His head hit the cooker.
When I tell people I'm from Omagh, I always notice their face changing because they automatically think of the bomb.
I grew up with my parents anxieties of going to Derry and other places because of bomb threats.
I was born towards the end of the troubles but the fears and trauma have definitely been passed on to my generation as well.
It's truly devastating and I agree with how unfair it all was for my parents and their families.
I was born in England, but my family come from Belfast. They left before I was born because my Catholic mother married my Protestant soldier father and it was felt this didn't do wonders for their life expectancy. They also received death threats and I believe my grandfather's car was bombed. He wasn't in it at the time fortunately.
Even though I grew up away from all that, I still feel the pain of what happened. I feel the loss of what should have been my home. There's a separation from my culture.
I have a very Irish name, which lead to bullying in school as I was different. But when I've been to Ireland, I've been too English. I'm caught between two worlds and I can never quite fit in with either.
We are a refugee family. We left because we would otherwise have been killed. This trauma isn't recognised as such though.
This made me cry. My a few of my ancestors are Irish and came here to America because they were starving.
Irelands people have suffered so much. 💔
My love to your family
Post war trauma.. it’s takes a long time to heal, generations and even though it’s nowhere near as bad as it was then we still see the lasting effects from it. I’m driving to Belfast from Dublin next week and even I’m weary of driving through certain areas with a republican Irish plate. The troubles weren’t as long a go as people think.
@@katfoster845 You’re in the catch 22 situation, it must have been very hard, it’s brings on generational problems too. I get what you are saying. There were a lot of other families that were in the same predicament. As result some families turning their backs on them etc. It’s really ridiculous at the end of the day, but so very serious for some back then.
I have a friend who went through something similar. Catholic father, Protestant mother but this would have been the early 90s so it’s was obviously not as intense, but they had to move to Dublin and the mothers family felt shamed that their daughter had married a catholic.
My own history is weird in that way also.. I think a few generations ago there was a big split because my surname would be deemed Protestant but all the clan to the south of the border are staunch Roman catholic, Leitrim, Fermanagh, Sligo area. I should really try look into it.
@@Vee92521my heritage is similar. My Irish heritage were Irish potato farmers who left Ireland because of famine too and moved to Birmingham, England, UK.
My grandmother who raised me who grew up in Derry in the 1880s -1930’s. She always had a permanent sadness about her & would speak little of her past. She married & had children from an IRA member & got stranded in America while he was wanted by the British for his activities. He died shortly after arrival. Even though my generation didn’t grow up there, there was always this affect or psychological depression & defensiveness from the damage they went through. Her many brother’s were all buried young on their farm from the conflicts in the vicinity. Her broken heart never left home, despite her courageous & loyal soul. Her her dying wish was to send me back with family. But I was brought back to the States to be left eventually in an orphanage. It was all very confusing.
God bless you Maureen… I love the Irish people ❤
I hope you’re in therapy and healing yourself, generational trauma can really do something to a person.
I'm glad someone made sure you knew the story. God bless you for sharing it with us!
she's the sweetest! great actress
@@kevinsmith-je6ctAINT NO WAY TOU PULLED OUT THE “you want to chat”
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@@SKATER_GRADIENTTheir everywhere!!
As a black american I can 100% understand where she’s coming from. It’s so scary and strange to see the people who are supposed to be protecting you or showing respect just wholeheartedly be terrible. Growing up I seen people who looked like me, in my own state get hurt by the police constantly on the news. And it was something that just left such a weird taste in my mouth. It is so wonderful that she was able to share her story and provide insight on it. I hope her and her people know that so many of us hear them and only ever wish them the best. 💖
The police in the North were brutal, they were more heavily armed than most American cops and had full rights to detain anyone for any reason, they were allowed to torture prisoners, and they were allowed to put you in prison without a trial.
@@fiancefreedomjourney the video is about fearing the police, this person is mentioning their own experience and how they feel similar despite being from a different country. Its a different perspective, not unrelated.
@@fiancefreedomjourneyIf you were actually a black American, you’d understand why they’re bringing up their own experience. It’s because they understand how Irish people feel as well in relation the police. I feel bad that you don’t have the capacity to empathize with others.
@@katelyn364she is relating to her. That’s part of what empathy is, the ability to relate. If she were having a face to face conversation with her and just made it about her own struggles that’s different, but it’s a comment section where you’re allowed to share your insight too.
I’ve been to Chicago and I thank god almighty that there is police.
Just to clarify for those who may not know.
She's referring to the British police here and not the Irish Gardaí.
The british police and troops put the fear into every Irish Citizen in Derry.
The segregation has not stopped and with examples of all the " peace walls" ( 18foot high) that were built by the brits After! the peace treaty shows this. ( The peace lines or peace walls are a series of separation barriers in Northern Ireland that separate predominantly Irish republican neighbourhoods from predominantly British loyalist and unionists neighbourhoods. )
Thank you for this light
@@yehonathan You're very welcome. I wish you well x
Agreed
Thank you for the context!
And in Belfast, we were brought up with British Army terrorising us, just like the Isrealis in Gaza.
When I went to uni in the mid-2000s, the English, Scottish, and Welsh students would reminiscence about cartoons, The Singing Kettle, Roald Dahl books. The NI kids would talk about car bombs. It didn't strike my privileged English brain until that moment the gravity of the war that had happened on our doorstep. I can't imagine what that level of terror and instability does to people. Bloody awful doesn't begin to cover it.
“If the people who are supposed to protect you and look after you.. you’re brought up afraid of them and distrusting of them…it leaves you a bit lost” this applies to all systems of power including abusive parents. 😢 we all deserve healing.
Well done for having the courage to even talk about it 😢❤
We do nothing but talk about it, I'm sick talking about it. Unfortunately the awful minority of the older generation messed up the rest of them and it's getting passed along
@@JayM-wg7dd who’s this we, you brit.
@@JayM-wg7ddthe Irish people will never forget. 900 years of history isn’t going to erase itself just because it’s inconvenient for certain people. If you don’t stand for something, you’ll fall for anything. The divide is ingrained in us not only from the older generations, our schools and community in general plays a massive part. In Derry you have the city side, then the waterside. The city side is predominantly catholic and the waterside is predominantly Protestant. We go to different schools and we have completely different upbringings. Admittedly it’s not as hostile as it was while I was growing up, but it doesn’t change how people feel. It’s a massive part of our history that won’t be forgotten or forgiven and it shouldn’t be either.
My husband and I are both Anglo-Irish heritage. In 1986 we spent 10 days in Ireland on our honeymoon, after taking the Ferry from Stranraer to Larne. We bussed from Larne to Belfast, to get the train to Dublin. We had to enter Belfast, which was virtually a walled city, through a Checkpoint, where British Troops boarded the Bus, checked under seats with mirrors, asked a few questions, I think they had a sniffer dog with them. That ONE incident is BURNED into this Canadian’s memory, so how could anyone who had to live with that, day in and out, NOT have PTSD ? Thankfully we were back in Ireland in 2014. The change was palpable, and a wonderful thing.
Slainte. 🇮🇪🇨🇦
PS: Derry Girls is one of the BEST Series I’ve ever seen. Going to re-watch from Season 1. Stellar Cast.
Jamie is fabulous in every way and so is her character Michelle
I grew up in Derry during the Troubles. And I always felt bad for the people in other parts of the North, who were surrounded by loyalists. At least we had Donegal at our backs, a place to retreat. The police and the army were running and participating in death squads. Approved at the highest levels of government. It was a dark, dark conflict. I think people are still getting their heads around just how rotten it all was. They want to forget it and move on - but it's not that simple, especially when you're still living under a British government.
I always think of the man who survived the Miami Showband massacre, he played dead I think. A truly horrific event, designed to terrorize people. So there he is, sitting by the side of the road in the middle of the night, with his friends all shot to bits lying around him. Who is he hoping shows up? The cops? The army? It was the cops and the army who did it.
Well why don't all the "derry" people who are so badly treated not move to donegal now ? Maybe because 90 percent of them love their British free house and benefits and cars etc.
@@Timberdoodle197 sure it'll all be a republic soon enough.
@paulduffy4585 what planet do you live on the nationalist vote hasn't changed since 1998 ?
@@Timberdoodle197 It's the inevitable demographic reality.
@paulduffy4585 so republicans have been saying since 1921, truth is the majority of catholics don't want it either well those with any sense.
I just binged watched Derry Girls and though I knew a bit about what happened, I didn't know the entirety of the story I've made an intentional decision to learn about the war and the troubles. While doing my ancestry tree, I found that my mother's side comes from Derry specifically. I live in the United States but I've always felt a connection with Irish culture even before I knew that part of my ancestors came from there.
I didn't do well in school with history because of ADHD, but now there are so many ways to learn about things now that I am enjoying learning about history. And I think it's important. Derry Girls was certainly more than just a show. It was an awesome show that made me laugh a lot. But it also brought awareness to the reality of what families went through. Well done.
Don't forget Ireland's music like the dubliners, Shane magowen and pogues and lots of other great irish music.
I absolutely adore her! So insightful.
you hot to❤
My youngest son ( then11, now 19) was so afraid, he was sleeping next to me on the couch. Didn’t want to use his bed. We didn’t wear nightgowns or Pyjama, but t-Shirts and jogging pants, just in case something would happen during nighttime. One day, police came with a special task force, searching for my older son. He was 17 (24 now) sleeping on the couch , sick with a cold & fever. They didn’t care about that, they searched the flat, went through all rooms. I chased a policewoman out of my youngest son’s room, then went to the kitchen , there was a very young police man with a torch and his gun in his hand! Ready to shoot someone down. Later it turned out that it was a mistake, but it is surely a trauma to us! No excuse from their side, of course… that wasn’t the only incident, but one of the worst.
Life in Northern Ireland is still overshadowed by this, because though the PTSD is plainly evident the facilities for treating the effects are limited and under funded.
I’m from the west of Scotland and my grandparents are from Derry and Donegal. Our usual uber driver is from Belfast and heard all about the troubles from all of them but he just broke down one day and it broke my heart cause he spoke of it the same way my grandparents did, we need to keep having these conversations with different generations so history doesn’t repeat itself ❤
Ireland is full of beautiful people who have been through enough. ❤❤
She's INSANELY beautiful ❤ I'm so sorry she has experienced pain like that
The whole of Northern Ireland experience the pain and trauma…
Bless this lady for speaking so honestly about this. I can't imagine how frightening it must be to still live like this. So much intergenerational trauma, and there are more peace walls NOW than there were in the Troubles.
The TROUBLES, HUGE PAINFUL HISTORY OF OPPRESSION...
DEEP SCARS
Tears of compassion from da Bronx 😢
We stayed two weeks in Ireland, and stayed several days in Derry. We now plan on retiring to there. The people have a genuineness to them that’s hard to find outside of certain places. I grew up in poverty in the Delta and recognized it immediately- it’s the weight of generational trauma while trying to stay hopeful. God Bless Daiore. ♥️
Thank you to channel 4 for giving her and irish people this space c 4 is always good for that.
She’s puts this into such a clearer perspective than I’ve heard it in years, really touched my soul ❤So eloquently said, thank you 🙏 and I hope you don’t feel that fear for much longer ❤
Derry is a much better place to live in these days than it used to be. The police that she grew up with, the Royal Ulster Constabulary, has been replaced by Police Service Northern Ireland. It's not perfect, but it's definitely more reflective of an actual police force compared to the bandits that were the RUC.
The cause of the fear might be somewhat relieved, but the trauma lingers in the people who remember them.
@@gogovideo10iam gonna say something a little controversial. the standard of 'good serving officers' was better in the RUC than it is in today's PSNI. they are shite. Almost full stop. Granted the decent constables in the RUC would have been fewer and further between the well meaning but ultimately hopeless yokes they have now...
The actual standard of policing is way down. Far too many promoted due to a shite degree and kicked with a particular foot ??? They sacrificed quality albeit with the best of intentions...
I totally agree I had to leave my home at 9yrs old and go south to safety , im now in my 60s it's only hitting me now of the troubles ,
It's refreshing to hear her prospective. There are so many of us that don't have a clue of what went on, and may be still going on. Its untold damage. 🇮🇪💚
I love this... how could you not have trauma after the troubles. 1st generation in USA Listening to the stories about my cousins in Ireland left me changed.. and I was thousands of miles away. The distrust of the police carries over as well..i got the message too. Thank you for this post ☘️ 🌈 ❤️
Cousin's 😂 English people have more Irish dna than the majority of Yank, who are plastic paddies
I’m from the U.S. and know very little about this piece of recent history. I’m learning more than ever just reading this comment section. I wonder why this isn’t talked about more. My heart aches for those who’ve lived through this! God bless each and every one of you!❤
Derry girl born and bred and I'm still here, glad the show brought our history to light
I loved her in Derry girls ❤❤❤ watched it twice through it was so good. So sorry to hear her talk about this :(
Being a Sri Lankan, Derry Girls really hit home because of the civil war that lasted over 25 years in my own country. Those experiences NEVER leave you.
Thank you for showing the world what happened and how it has affected the people. God bless you
My mother had the same problems growing up in her town in eastern Czechoslovakia in the 1930’s. With the rise of Hitler, the police felt that they had license to persecute the Jews without fear of repercussions. As a result my mother grew up with a visceral fear of the police. It wasn’t until she emigrated to the US in 1958 and met NYC police officers who treated her with kindness and respect that she felt any relief. She always loved the NYPD for being nice to her.
My family are from Donegal and we always have a taxi from Dungloe pick us up at Belfast airport and the driver would always be going through Derry on the way back. She is a great brave woman to admit to being damaged by the Troubles
I have been struggling with suicidal depression and the more people in Europe admit that they are struggling with the same thing the better for the people who have been struggling and keeping it in from the world
Such a tough situation for her and her family to live through. I wish them all strength and happiness. Even some silliness on occasion.
I can definitely relate to that. I really hope there's a change because no one should have to feel that way!
I live in northern ireland and my parents and my grandparents always talk about this and i can’t believe what they went through my uncles almost died bc of a bomb and my dad and grandpa almost died too so i just want to say thank you for 25 years of peace
Same, a lot of our family friends died during the Troubles, but my dad rarely talks about it. I don’t think the peace process ever made up for all the hurt and evil that went on, however NI is honestly the best place to live on the island and the UK. Great schools, good jobs, relatively good healthcare, really beautiful place and a much lower cost of living. Most places are relatively segregated in terms of living and specifically Catholic schools, however in terms of community clubs, work, shopping, ect it’s not much more than anywhere else. It’s much more solid than Scotland, we’re nicer than England, (poor wales) and if you’re a fan of universal healthcare better off than the South.
I am that teenager who wrote poetry in her diary, and I am so proud of them! They show my growth as a poet but also as a person, as I become more emotionally controlled and complex through them. They were not only a great outlet for me when I had no support system but I think some of them (while angsty) are really lovely
She is so funny,beautiful, and an Irish girl to boot,she is gorgeous and a fantastic actress,this girl can act,Hollywood calling,that’s how much she grips you with her appetite for life.The main talking point is something ridiculous that they need to be allowed to move on the way they want,with everything involved from the past,ALL the wrongs,ALL of them victims need help to heal one another,the Irish are bloody peace loving people,they never asked for that,my two bobs worth.🏴🙏🪢
Catholic church wasnt
It’s easy to say from the outside it’s ridiculous and I’ve heard more bigotry from Scottish people than the English. Hundreds of people, mostly citizens, a lot of them kids were brutally slaughtered either intentionally or just brushed off as collateral. You never hear about why even though a good few counties in the South voted to stay in the UK, there are hardly any Protestants there now. They didn’t all just move, and they weren’t gently encouraged to leave. Non-COI congregations had been historically discriminated against in horrific ways, particularly the Catholics, and of course the Irish Kingdom never asked to be invaded by the English or colonised by you in the first place.
You’re probably a lovely person, but you are being unbelievably awful here. You’re telling someone with a rotten wisdom tooth that they should just pull it out themselves and stop whining when they’re already in the dentist’s chair and you’re saying it in such a condescending way. Please stop. You don’t understand anything that happened or is going on. If you want to talk about it please go to NI, talk to people from all the communities, and don’t say anything, just listen. Then you will understand. Please do not watch any English or Irish documentaries, just listen to real NI voices in NI from ordinary people. Then you can go back home and tell people there what you heard, and stop the wave of Scottish bigotry and callousness against all NI people.
I have never felt like I related so much to a character she’s lovely and I’m so glad this show was made ❤
You hit the nail on the head in that we use humour and satire as a coping mechanism.
I had a very difficult time growing up there even though i left in 1984. I moved to London drank a lot and cried myself to sleep every night for a long time. Couldn't have relationships and recently had EMDR therapy for post trauma. I was from the Scottish Planter community and Presbyterian xx
She’s Fr the best actress
It is very sad to be scared of the people who’s supposed to protect you, I’m from Mexico and every time I see a police officer I feel so scared and anxious knowing they could do whatever to me and they will not have any consequences. I totally understand 🥺🫶🏼
I miss derry girls do much. It made me happy. I hope they start making it again. Maybe revisit them as adults. Theyd be awesome as old people.
They wouldn't be old. They'd be in their early 40s with teenagers of their own.
As a black American Muslim, I totally get this. Nowhere seems safe if you can’t trust the authorities to protect & serve you. The mentality “Guilty until proven innocent” has no place in society! Freedom for All! ❤
Try being black in a Muslim majority country. It’s hell.
Nowhere is safe because Islam you mean.
What do you think about Sharia law?
Black American Muslims aren’t blowing themselves up brother.
To read these comments, my heart goes out to everyone here(woman or man Irish or not) from America, as that is where I am from. May everyone be blessed with happiness ❤✨️
This hits deep 😢 I can still see how the civil war in early 90' affected algerians in so many levels. No healing was accomplished.
Irish people and oppressed communities are so brave. Bless you all❤
So extremely sorry!!😢😢😢❤
My family on mum's side is from Belfast and I went there for two weeks and it's the time I experienced what life is really about. Guns, tanks in the street, English soldiers who I felt connected to yet they're screaming at me and my family, arrests on the street every moment which is never known before... I loved my home country but I realised how lucky I was to be in Manchester
I wish society/culture/the government in the USA could hear and learn from this... so many people traumatized by the people supposed to protect them here. bless her for speaking up about something that still effects so many people.
But Derry was one place I felt safe in because there are strong communities that look after themselves.
Thank you for spreading this message 💕Ps I loved you in Derry Girls!!!
I miss the series so much
The link to the full episode is inactive/does not work. Could someone please re-share ? I absolutely think this is worth watching in its entirety ♡
I don't think what happened in Derry is talked about enough around the world. I only recently found out about what happened because of Derry Girls which I only recently started watching.
Sister Michael was the BEST!
Ireland forever!
I relate to this in a different context. I was SA’ed by my own grandad when I was a kid. The police did nothing about it and said I’d get over it, and he got off scotfree. My parents also didn’t catch him until he’d been doing it a few years. I never got mental health support. It’s given my c-ptsd as everyone who should have protected me and supported me didn’t. I struggle hugely with trust issues now. So I can totally empathise with the people of Derry from Herat she says here.
Her eyes are hypnotic so clear looking .🕊️✌️
After russia invaded my country, somehow naturally I started to learn about Northern Ireland’s experience. And it still freaks me out what life people had there and the consequences that they’re still facing. And because I’m sure that all these experiences will (and already are) be relevant to Ukrainians later, I’m incredibly happy that terrible time for Ireland is over. Feel for all of you💙
Jamie i can't say how you feel, but on the bright side Derry Girls you and the fabulous team with you have made a fantastic success with the series, the writer and editor and the fabulous cast, i am alone now a bit down in the Dumps.What happened next was a God send ,all the way from Derry, one BEAUTIFUL and beautiful 😍 also, Fantastic show the Derry Girls. What a laugh i have watching 👀 the videos 📹 on my phone 📱. God bless you all ❤🎉😅 and a Big thank you too everyone who has any thing too do with this Fabulous show. From a very Happy Fan DOWN SOUTH. God bless all ❤🎉❤😮😅.
As a black woman, I can relate to this I grew up seeing the police kill people younger than me
Pretty lady with a painful story. So sorry to hear this out of Ireland. So sad for them and to hear this from America. 😢
This is no different than whats happening to any marginalized group. Imagine the plight of the African- Americans in the USA and the Palestinians. Just sad and disgusting. They are constantly battling self esteeem, confidence and being in flight or fright.
well said
This is heartbreaking 💔
These are the kind of stories the British have kept out of the media and have never given credence to. Thankfully allowing this to be said is what will bring about healing and peace.
This is a Channel 4 documentary? 'The British' are not a monolith and this is a British documentary in the first place
@@redcap-t4tyes it is a channel 4 show - I don’t know what you mean by British being a monolith. Their history and influence on others especially the Irish has been shameful without self awareness and reflection.
@@phylk4683 but Channel 4 is British? So, evidently, there is self-reflection and self-awareness?
My mother grew up in the troubles. People think it's ancient history but there is generational trauma
I grew up in a Catholic country in Ireland and it hurt me so bad... and it makes me feel scared because I often see my own religion attack other reglious because they are angry their own trauma
*”I feel you, sis. Trust me, I feel you.” 💯😢💙🇮🇪 - MELL DUNEY 616*
"...Something experts recognise as linked to 'Troubles' related trauma". This is absolutely true. There's nothing more powerfully disturbing of our psychological well-being, than fear.
the troubles has affected my family with ptsd so much as we did lose a loved one during it
Bless her! Growing up in those times must be harsh.
Imagine how many people are affected by war and injustice acts around the world! Devastating.
Love Her
I’m Irish living in Canada and always beloved it. I renounced my citizenship last week.
I’m an outreach worker- an advanced overdose responder. I save lives for a living, I endanger myself- during lockdown I was alone doing cpr on sidewalks.
Last week there was a drug poisoning overdose incident- I ran to it with oxygen, bag valve, airways for the throat, narcan, blood oximeter, 3 related degrees and COUNTLESS medical
certifications and security clearances to work with vulnerable people.
Lately I’ve been attacked with machetes, firsts, knives etc. but they have the reason at least of mental illness plus chemical addiction.
Anyways
I responded to the overdose with all that gear, the guy was blue and hard as a statue. Not breathing.
I injected him, tested his o2 levels and gave him a mask at 15l per m while rousing him with pain stimuli and his name.
Eventually a nearby medic came and helped.
It was difficult and one of the very few times I didn’t know if they would survive.
Seizures and overdose simultaneously. We saved him and brought the dead person back to life.
Then I ran 12 feet to get cold water and came back and the cops were there.
One had a machine gun that looked like something from 2064.
I was carrying two cups of cold water on a dangerously hot day for the victim and the medic who helped and this cop with a machine gun just GRABBED MY ARM and shouted “WALL
AWAY‼️”
thereby
1. arresting my movement, not allowing me to continue. That legally IS arrest and I hadn’t been told or read my rights therefore an illegal action.
2. Detained me- which is ONLY allowed if you are under arrest which I wasn’t.
That’s unlawful confinement (kidnapping for adults).
I do not bend to children with egos so I said “I’m giving them water” and showed how studying martial arts from age 6 makes it VERY easy to get out of a grab and kept walking.
THEN.
The moment I stopped being a Canadian- he grabbed me, detaining me again, only offering water with a badge for the local Health Authority on my chest. Again he screamed “walk away‼️” like some 20 old pipsqueak scared me when I throw 6 foot plumbers across the room in the fun part of my training.
Seeing the absence of ANY fear of HIM…
HE RAISED HIS MACHINE GUN TO MY FACE
A Canadian militarized copy threatened an outreach worker performing mandatory medical assistance.
EVERYTHING CHANGES WHEN A MAN WITH A MACHINE GUN THREATENS YOU FOR OFFERING WATER.
I don’t identify as Canadian I am ASHAMED of Canada , ASHAMED of our fearful weakness and ASHAMED that when there are citizens without homes instead of building some living spaces- even a c can canister cut in two is a wonder to a homeless person.
To be able to shut the door and be safe is something we can’t really understand the importance of.
Instead of doing this, the government in Victoria is spending 10X the money on continual harassment, beating, good old knee on neck for no reason, tearing someone’s home apart with a knife and throwing everything they own into a garbage truck.
Our most vulnerable people.
Those beaten, raped and abused until they had no choice but to run away from home. Then get preyed upon and addicted for control, more rape more bearings and the police only beat you if you dare complain.
THEN they assault a frontline medical worker for offering water to someone who was dead 2 minutes ago.
This is not where I grew up and I will die to keep it from becoming the 1984 hell they want.
#FIGHT_THE_FUTURE
Hearing a white person express the same fear and anxiety about the police that I a black man has hits different
but you must remember, these are Irish people first. Few white people understand this pain and for some dumb reason, most of the poor underpriveledged white people who hate cops are conservatives who wouldn't lift a finger for a Black man and scream white lives matter while their downtrodden communities recieve the same treatment from the same corrupt government. Their racism and sheer stupidity keeps them this way. This is why the Irish(ireland) are kindred spirits with disenfranchised people across the world unlike most American Irish who forsake their history, trauma, struggles, and perserverence to become slave catchers and police in poor Irish communities shitting on their own people in boston and New york.
The police in the North during the Troubles were a different breed, it was far more similar to a black man in the South in the 1960's.
@Kevc00 the late 1990s brought "zero tolerance," "minimum sentencing," and "stop & frisk" laws that specifically targeted our black brothers and sisters. I don't know how you can imagine that the plight of black americans ended in the '60. From slavery to jim crow to mass incarceration, one horrible law to the next, we have created this same terror here in the US, and those scars pass generationally.
@@Trogdor1365 it's not even close, the situation of Catholics in Northern Ireland was compared to apartheid South Africa in it's brutality. There was no minimum sentencing in Northern Ireland, because there was no trial. You would go from your bed, to an interrogation room for torture, and the into a cell at Long Kesh where there was more torture. This wasn't illegal or even frowned upon, it was fully legal. The army and the police were responsible for security with near unlimited authority that American police could never even hope to have. Northern Ireland was worse because it was all above board and perfectly legal, arrest without evidence, imprisonment without trial, torture, executions, etc were all legal. Even in America Habeus Corpus was not suspended, in Northern Ireland it was suspended for nearly 30 years.
@Kevc00 the central park 5 might have something to say about that. They were just children, dragged in for interrogation by the police with no cause, no evidence, and no parental consent, intimidated, coerced, and even beaten into confession before being thrown into jail to be assaulted and raped. This wasn't frowned upon or unusual. When police are giving free reign to do what they want over certain groups, evil comes out.
I grew up with one as my Step Father in the late 70’s early 80’s. Was a full on dogpile. I have to admit that through all that misery I did gather a fair bit of wisdom through it all. Truly is traumatic.
I left Derry for London as a child with my parents. It wasn't until years later as a teenager I realised non of my friends in England where scared of British Soldiers or the Police.
Total BS, we played with them as kids.
I recently watched Derry Girls and was shocked by how many times I wanted to cry i thought i was going through something
It's called generational trauma. This should be talked about more.🤷🏾
I’m not sure it is. There’s certainly generational trauma involved, but the Troubles only ended 25 or so years ago, and I remember local bomb scares up until about 14 years ago. Every single adult except the very youngest who grew up here had something to be deadly afraid of, on either side. Most people lost people and in horrific ways, and it is only just starting to become generational. That’s why you see kids joining paramilitaries. They never knew the Troubles, and now their parents are convincing them with their traumas that it’s the right thing to do, when actually it is extremely stupid and extremely bad.
This is deeper than regular generational trauma. In Ireland in recent history, you’ve had the IRA and British police taking over the local area and creating an unsafe environment for the locals, which further created more IRA attacks. Unless your older generations were in wartime, they didn’t experience what she’s referring to.
I couldn't believe how shocked my German cousins were about a bomb being ten miles from us. I think I kind of thought bombs and bomb scares were normal.
She's not wrong. My Daddy left Belfast in the 70s but it never leaves you. 🇮🇪 ❤️
Seen first hand the trouble in Belfast in the 80s by the late 90s my parents moved
Sorry to hear that.
Trauma from war is a generational
This seems like a clip of a longer video. I’d like to see that. Does anyone know if it’s Available?
I'm from Derry ! United we stand . Free Derry 🇮🇪
omg i love her voice
That is like being Black in America!! So sorry sweetie my heart goes out to ya
She's so right. Peole from Derry, Tyrone, Belfast, Enniskillen, all over Ulster the whole island even are very strong people, they had to be, but i don't think people realise the lasting effect that need to be strong has on someone or how it effects them. I'm from a town in donegal on the boarder with Derry. I watched my dad being marched behind a metal wall at the check point so many times (even at Christmas visiting santa). As a child you shouldn't be thinking "why are they still taking Daddy there? They know daddy, are they just bullying him". Or how nervous you become when you see a policeman because of past events. Or how happy your brother is when he comes home because he doesn't want his kids to see what we saw when we were kids.
God bless you! Hope you feel more secure soon, life is so hard some time. They didn't mean for it to be that way!
Derry girls!!!! I've laughed my ass off, but also cried. Overall, so so good!! Pen15 is also absolutely hilarious!!
It’s terrible how the people in Ireland are just expected to never speak of the trauma the British government put them through.
It’s not to place blame but they should be allowed speak of the generations of trauma ,mental health and issues in the community as a results.
They’ve just been abandoned to deal with it all and if they dare speak on it branded as bigots or even worse.