Coming from the Orthodox Church, I don’t agree with James Jordan on everything, but on this point he is absolutely correct. To refuse children Holy Communion is to deny their status as baptized members of the Church. There are no good Scriptural or Patristic arguments for depriving infants and children of the Sacrament.
Pardon my ignorance and pardon my random question. I had a couple friends join an eastern orthodox church and we’re very enthusiastic about becoming members in the EO church. I think they were there from about 2020 to 2023 but recently they have come back to the reformed faith (RPCNA). Would the eastern church consider them fallen from Grace? In danger of hell?
The Biblical idea of one examining oneself before taking communion was overlooked in this video. A child is not likely to do that or even understand its importance. No child who has not made a confession of faith before the elders should be allowed to communion. Infant baptism does not mean the child is regenerate. That is a Lutheran or Romanist teaching.
If you’re going to treat baptism as though it serves a function similar to the circumcision, it makes sense to treat communion as though it serves a function similar to Passover. The problem is that Jesus fulfilled and abolished both of these “carnal” Jew-Gentile demarcations at the cross. So while paedocommunion is more consistent, it is more consistently obsolete. Jordan’s brilliant teaching concerning investiture and wine as symbols of judicial maturity is not consistent with his teaching on paedosacraments. Baptism throughout the Bible-whether World (Noah), Land (Moses), or Garden (Jesus) is investiture for ministry, so personal “Garden” baptism is only for Adams and Eves, that is, “both men and women” as Acts repeatedly says. To quote Jordan, “There are no donuts in the Garden.” The sacramental food of Jesus’ Garden is still deadly, as Paul tells us. The other problem is that claiming baptism makes an infant a “child of God” contradicts the biblical definition of “Sons of God” as those who offer sacrifices in the ministry of reconciliation. When John says, “Now are WE the Sons of God” he means that the Aaronic priesthood was now obsolete and being succeeded by the New Covenant believers. The sacraments are not about cultivation (the fruit of land and womb) but legal representation (the spiritual fruits of conversion) by those who voluntarily offer themselves as living sacrifices.
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Such a gem from my dear friend!
You're part of his legacy!
oh my heart!! thank you. My daughter was murdered last year at age 32 and I needed to hear this. We brought her to Jesus.
Uncle James brilliant and pastoral as always.
His voice has changed so much lately :-(. I just discovered his sermons on Canon + but didn't think he was 80-90 something
@royal priest Gotcha. His hoarse voice breaks my heart tbh
@@silentcal275 His WORDS are a priceless gift!!
Beautiful! Beautiful!
Coming from the Orthodox Church, I don’t agree with James Jordan on everything, but on this point he is absolutely correct. To refuse children Holy Communion is to deny their status as baptized members of the Church. There are no good Scriptural or Patristic arguments for depriving infants and children of the Sacrament.
Pardon my ignorance and pardon my random question. I had a couple friends join an eastern orthodox church and we’re very enthusiastic about becoming members in the EO church. I think they were there from about 2020 to 2023 but recently they have come back to the reformed faith (RPCNA). Would the eastern church consider them fallen from Grace? In danger of hell?
The Biblical idea of one examining oneself before taking communion was overlooked in this video. A child is not likely to do that or even understand its importance. No child who has not made a confession of faith before the elders should be allowed to communion. Infant baptism does not mean the child is regenerate. That is a Lutheran or Romanist teaching.
Keep em comin Brian!
He's a national treasure
You’re making statements that it seems like I’m supposed to resonate with. It would be helpful if you defined your terms, perhaps even there history
If you’re going to treat baptism as though it serves a function similar to the circumcision, it makes sense to treat communion as though it serves a function similar to Passover. The problem is that Jesus fulfilled and abolished both of these “carnal” Jew-Gentile demarcations at the cross. So while paedocommunion is more consistent, it is more consistently obsolete. Jordan’s brilliant teaching concerning investiture and wine as symbols of judicial maturity is not consistent with his teaching on paedosacraments. Baptism throughout the Bible-whether World (Noah), Land (Moses), or Garden (Jesus) is investiture for ministry, so personal “Garden” baptism is only for Adams and Eves, that is, “both men and women” as Acts repeatedly says. To quote Jordan, “There are no donuts in the Garden.” The sacramental food of Jesus’ Garden is still deadly, as Paul tells us. The other problem is that claiming baptism makes an infant a “child of God” contradicts the biblical definition of “Sons of God” as those who offer sacrifices in the ministry of reconciliation. When John says, “Now are WE the Sons of God” he means that the Aaronic priesthood was now obsolete and being succeeded by the New Covenant believers. The sacraments are not about cultivation (the fruit of land and womb) but legal representation (the spiritual fruits of conversion) by those who voluntarily offer themselves as living sacrifices.