Kreia's Connection to Revan
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- Опубликовано: 19 июл 2007
- The Exile decides to ask Kreia about Revan's past and her connection between them. This is a scene you can get if you have enough influence with Kreia.
This video takes place at M4-78. It's a planet cut from the game. This module is a raw incomplete module. 
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Kotor 2 does such a great job of mystifying Revan that I actually feel like I barely know him when i play Kotor 1
@Kerby H playing the second first makes that twist in the first one pretty awesome to me, as i played 2 first
Yeah it was like hearing of some mythical person like jesus in christianity as you barely have any idea if hes even out there anymore and his future remains such mystery
The only downside of playing the second one first (which is what I did as well) is that you have no clue that you are actually changing his/her backstory depending on what dialogue options you pick.
Technically, you didn't know him at all, since he doesn't remember jack shit
@Lomborg Carth and Bastila have such a small role in KOTOR 2, you probably won’t pay a lot of attention to them unless you played the first one. You also might miss that Mandalore is Canderous that way. I also played 2 before 1 and the twist came as a surprise.
"Fall?... Ah, already you presume much"
Shivers down my spine
THIS is what any content following KOTOR II should have expanded on regarding Revan: that he became a Dark Lord to prevent a greater evil to the galaxy, rather than being pwnd by some MMO Sith Lord
Actually what had happened was The Emperor was able to pwn him like you said but underestimated Revan's will and as soon as Revan got far enough away he snapped out of it, So it is true everything he did in kotor was because he knew about the emperor and the threat he posed to the galaxy
I thought Revan was corrupted by the Star Forge.
Goku Black everything he did in the events of Kotor weren’t him trying to fight the sith emperor, he was simply following the Jedi to help find and destroy the star forge and Darth Malak, it wasn’t until after the events of Kotor where he started recovering his memory that he remember the sith emperor on the outer reaches of space, this is where he goes when Carth and Bastila talk about him in Kotor 2
@@donutkidpastry7895 Pretty sure he meant that Revan fighting the Republic before he lost his memory was to prepare for the Emperor. I'm not sure which game mentions it but there's a conversation with someone where you learn that Revan actually didn't really want to destroy everything but he was conquering key planets that he believed would be crucial in the fight against something bigger. Malak then fucked it up however when he turned on Revan.
@@Fucisko Kotor II, G0-T0 mentions that Revan purposely left worlds fortified, and the droid said it was almost as if Revan was preparing the Republic for a greater threat.
This is completely how I see Revan.
kreia: when i look at you it's like staring at the death of the force
Exile: -_- thanks......
My reaction exactly 😂
Exile: Your face is death
I love it. But it’s actually one of the biggest compliments Kreia could make to anyone.
Kreia doesn’t admire someone as much as Revan if not for the Exile
What a compliment hahahah
Crush: “What do you think when you look at me?”
Me: “I see death of all living things...”
@@itwontcomeout5678 Kreia wants the Force to die because she hates that it seems to have a will and that every soul seems bound by it.
That being said, as you, The Exile, are a wound in the Force, you are the ultimate tool she needs to destroy it. And she loves you more than anyone else for that.
So yes, it seems like a funny insult, but actually in her mouth it’s like the biggest compliment ever :)
"it was the call of home" that is the most touching part about his character tbh, he wasn't just defying the council because he knew it was right
Your character looks like a Sith John Travolta HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Dopak
To be honest...Kreia was never a "villain" to me, more like a teacher. I played KOTOR 2 as a Sith, because Sith are a lot more fun than these boring Jedi. At the end of the story I was confused...But after playing the game several times and thinking about her lines and teachings, it's quite clear. It wasn't her goal to "destroy" the force. The force was her only true enemy, the invisible power that drives force users to cause death and destruction. She showed me the arrogance and self-righteousness of both Jedi and Sith, the emptyness of their teachings. She wanted to deafen all force users, stripping away the force from everyone in the galaxy to end its "will", its influence. The exile was interesting to her because he/she was able to use the force, but wasn't used BY it ("a dead spot in the force").
Lightside player here, didn't see Kreia as a villain either, and when she died, I cried.
I played lightside in both Kotor 1 and 2, I found Kreia to be a bit tragic, the only thing which got me about her is how much she tried to lecture me for being nice to others. I still want to help others help themselves, sometimes that means credits.
Untrue Lie so one might say she was a gray Jedi then?
Or even....
*a wound in the force.*
sorry for old message, but no... Traya or Kreia isn't a Gray Jedi. She'd laugh at that statement, and berate you for expecting so much. No... she is the only one that looked beyond the push and pull of either side of the Force, and saw the horror of it. She is Sith only because she knows how many people will die as consequence to her actions. But she also knows that if she does not do it, more will die.
Speculation? Yes. But well supported speculation. The fact that Arren Kae and Kreia were both Revan's first and last master, the fact that "Kriea" is literally a composition of "Kae" and "Traya," the fact that Arren Kae's body was never recovered from Malachor V, and Kreia remained to teach at the Trayus academy...
Speculation? Yep. But it is supported by so many different evidences, including the fact that it would fit perfectly with Brianna's story & Kreia's exile. It is an epic twist.
And it’s cool that this “theory” has never been confirmed much like how it’s never really been confirmed that Goku died at the end of Dragon Ball GT.
Revealing it would spoil the magic.
God, KotOR 2 was so underrated. Yeah, it's a shame they had to cut so much content, and the game wasn't really the same without it, but the story and dialog were superb, and the characters were amazingly well-written.
Also, is Kreia removing her hood part of a mod? I've never had Kreia do that before, but I don't know if I ever maxed out her influence meter during a playthrough anyway.
Yes, it's almost certainly a mod of some sort. Even modded, I have never had it happen, but I never installed this particular mod, (the cut content planet), so maybe it's part of that or perhaps it's something else entirely. It's nice, though.
I agree, too. When I was younger, I did *not* appreciate KOTOR 2, but in many ways, it beats the first. Particularly in character writing. I love the first KOTOR and I do love it more than 2, but it is part nostalgia and part appreciation for some of the clever elements of the first's writing (the twist, namely). KOTOR 2 is a masterpiece and absolutely one of the finest Star Wars games in existence.
It's just a shame that, to get the full experience, you need to mod it in order to restore cut content. That is partly why I did not appreciate it as a kid. It was so torn apart and had too many unfinished segments and unexplained plot points. When I came back to it, before the KOTOR 2 cut content mod, I appreciated it more. Then I came back after buying it on Steam and downloading the cut content mod and was fully able to appreciate it.
KOTOR 1 and 2 are my favorites and Kreia is a damn good character. She beats any other Sith lord because she isn't a Sith anymore and she breaks that mold of "Jedi or Sith" that the series has fallen into so many times.
I'm just typing my thoughts about the game but to me the best parts was was the battlefield scenes, like the battle on onderon or the one on dantooine between the mercs and militia it was just a fun test of combat for me.
@Sarincrow *What was your native language before English?*
@Sarincrow *So it's more elaborate when you type?* :)
Absolutely amazing game
Kreia is the one force user I respect the most. She pretty much sees that people and the galaxy are instruments for the twisted balance the Force is trying to achieve. I mean if you think about it Sith are born again and again within the Jedi order's ranks...Otherwise the council becomes a lair of douchiness where people like Atris and Vrook have influence. This looks to me like the Force never favors the dominant side for a long time...So kreia IS the better teacher...
the people who thinks bastila is kreia leave star wars galaxy quietly ffs
She's not even anywhere near old enough to be Traya. Wot?
@@lilcolgatevert3715 she even show up in the game so double wot
Kotor 2 still stands as one of my favourite games of all time, Kriea alone is one of the best written and complex characters I've ever seen. It is a literal tragedy that these games have not been remade and that we never saw Kotor 3 (I dont accept TOR as a sequel to this story)
I like to think that Revan was the embodiment of the will of the force, not so strong as the Chosen One, who was birthed through the force. More like the force flowed through him like a river, calm and easy, yet large and not to be taken lightly. He didn’t care about the light side or the dark side, and once he realized that the Jedi would not perform their supposed duties due to the threat of the dark side, revan felt that falling to the dark side to save others was something he felt all Jedi should do
This was my favorite scene in all of KOTOR II. It's just so well written. It's creepy and brilliant. Kreia was the best character in KOTOR II, followed closely by HK, of course.
God, M4-78 looks incredible, I wish so much it could have been in the game. So much was left out, it kills me thinking about how incredible this game could have been. If just half the game has so much depth and excellence, imagine what it could have been if Lucasarts hadn't been money-grubbing fiends and rushed development.
From what was left of it, seems pretty boring
Boot: 1:19 - 1:32
Select: 1:32 - 1:35
Music: Darth Revan’s theme
Font: Dark Unstable
You can get influence points from Kreia doing light side stuff. There's a reason why her alignment is neutral. You just have to know what to say in that moment.
Doing training exercises are a great way to get lots of influence points with Kreia. By doing those exercises, it opens doors to other conversations and you will be able to get the one you see in this video.
Am I the only one who thinks the music fits perfectly at 1:53?
Yep
Nope, but its the other way around. Music determines how we view the scene.
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is it just me or the more you learn of Revan you realise just how much of an utter badass he is
For the directors of Star Wars movies in the future, ....take goddamn notes from this.
Man facts.
Too bad they won't.
I'm not sure you could even get this kind of story in to a holywood movie, not one with as much mass appeal anyway, which Star Wars kinda needs as it's such a huge phenomenon and can't just cater to us nerds. It's all a bit too dark and nihilistic, with pretty complicated mature themes. I would not have gotten it on any level when I was like 10, but a New Hope or something can just be enjoyed as a fun space adventure with laser swords, and that's what gets most people in to SW in the first place. A TV series, or another RPG though... There's definitely a market there for more nuanced storytelling, without the 2-3 hour limit to cram everything in to, which isn't so difficult with a standard good vs evil SW story.
Kreia is Kreia. It's simple, yet the truth. From what she has said about herself, she was a Jedi Historian and she was once Revan's master. She was expelled from the Jedi Order because she was blamed for Revan's fall and the many Jedi who followed Revan to war. Her teachings were to blame.
She turned to the dark side in effort to learn the Force in all its forms so she could destroy it and she is also on a mission to prove to the Jedi Council that her teachings were correct.
I could listen to Kreia all day long
2019. Nice recommendation, RUclips.
I love Kreia's voice actor, she was so perfect for the role.
Fair enough.
Speculation is still fun though!
And Kreia will always be my favorite character to speculate about.
Well, favorite period.
God, how I love her speech... She's my favourite Star Wars character.
Does anyone know where can I buy an hk47 unit
Obi-Wan Kenobi as long as you have republic credits
I've got an HK47 Assassin Droid..... but you'll have to beat me in pazaak to get it.
@@Ripvanw1nkl3 Republic credits are no good. He needs something more real.
Statement: Sadly, only 1 unit of HK47 exist in this world and it choose its own master. All those HK47 for sale, you meatbag find in shop are basically a counterfeit repainted inferior unit of HK50 HK51 or HK55.
They have them on Tatooine
,,...that fool Zhar..." :))
I wonder why Bioware was named as one of the only 3 companies allowed to work on future Star Wars titles, and what is this mysterious new RPG the KotOR team is working on recently :]
Kristian Andreev
Kotor 1 had a brilliant story too. The original star wars has a pretty childish story in itself, but it's awesome.
+Pat REVEAL THE SECRETS NOW! Hahaha.
+Pat Bioware didn't make Kotor 2 >.>
Flaming MonkeyAss I didn't say it did. I'm just happy there's gonna be more Star Wars RPGs.
too bad it ended up being Andromeda
"When I look at you, it is like staring at the death of the Force."
gives me chills. The rest was great, but this is so ominous.
Haha. I was so very tempted to posting something like this. I have to say I loved the "Holy Crap!!!".
Question, Does what Kreia say not really happen? Kreia says Revan became the dark lord out of necessity to prevent a greater evil. But in the Revan novel/and SWTOR game, it appears that he was turned into a sith lord not by choice by Vitiate.
Because Kreia was a character created by Obsidian as is this game and BioWare pretty much ignored what Obsidian did for KOTOR II. They used the Exile, but after that, there wasn't much there they acknowledged.
Shem L Thanks for your reply. Thats a shame they ignored some of the story in KOTOR II... I really enjoyed Kreia's insight on Revan and what he believed
Shem L I guess, Kreia's story is still true even with Vitiate and his manipulations at place.
Shem L Actually originally he was sent by Vitiate but he regain control of himself after he started the war. He chose to continue being the dark lord long after he broke free of Vitiate's influence.
Shem L
I think they used Kreia in swtor, look up sith warrior story and the ghost Darth Barras uses to know the future ^^
Speculation, speculation... and speculation!!!
It's all you have. I have facts. Facts beat speculation. And that's a "fact!" ;)
Thanks!!
Revan in Kotor 2: High and mighty intelligent individual
Revan in Kotor 1: WhAt iS A SpAcEshIp
How do you get Kreia to pull back her hood like that? I've never seen that in-game. Before the ending, that is
Mods.
gg
Jacob Stamm It's always mods.
Next time use google :P
Lesson learned: ask people from the past rather than people in the present
***** Thanks for a real answer. Much better than Link's attempt.
For Disney. You wanna make a lot of money?
1) Green light a new ambitious Starwars project set in the old Republic about Revan after the events of Kotor 2.
2) Employ Rockstar to design the mechanics of the game.
3) Get Obsidian to write the story & characters.
4) Get Arkane studios to design the worlds (I loved the setting of Prey -2017) or have Bioware do it.
Huh
It would be interesting to see both Kreia and Yoda have a talk about the Force.
lol i came to this video because i wanted a refresher on what Kreias connection to Revan was (i forgot), but i stuck around and needless to say, was more entertained by many of your replies.
@Grimoi
Kreia: "You are not ready to learn my past yet."
Padawan Travolta: " 'Ey Aww, Geeeez."
The point I'm making is there are a lot of things to put that theory into doubt as well. So to spout it off as fact like you just did and you did by the way isn't correct. At this point 9 years later, why hide this secret? What's the point? Especially now that the franchise is killed, but yet there are die hard fans who want it revealed.
Back when I was more into the series, I know I could think of other supporting facts against the theory. Just think about! ;)
Perfect voice acting on perfect character in entire SW universe ❤
my mind was just blown all over the wall
Compare this glowing commentary to what happens with Revan in TOR and it feels like Bioware wanted to spite the higher ups who changed their canon Revan from a chick into a dude as well as all the KOTOR fanboys.
AzureSkyCiel ?
Jesus christ I forgot how well these games were written. Bioware please come back 😭
TurtleSwagYOLO7
This one was made by obsidian
@@217adaptiveperspective And now Obsidian was bought by Microsoft. :/
I've played this game... but never really succeed to ask Kreia about Revan. Thanks for the vid. :)
Kreia: when i looked at revan it was like staring at the heart of the force
Exile: what do you see when you look at me?
Kreia: you are diffrent.
Kreia: when i look at you it is like staring at the death of the force.
Man that was cold
9 years old comment sure:
Kriea saying she sees the death in the force is the ultimate kreia compliment. She hates the force and wants it gone.
What kind of Jedi would Deadpool be...
A Grey Jedi
Rainbow jedi
Deadpool wouldn't be a Jedi.... he'd be a bounty hunter...... and he'd kill Jedi.
@@kinkybartender6709 Well he'd *get* killed by Jedi more often than he killed them but yeah
@@lilcolgatevert3715 Why? He could just get some Mandalorian armor, couple that with his regeneration..... on a level that Jango or Boba could never reach.
I personally think they at the very least they should make Revan genderless because in KOTOR you could, and I did, play Revan as female, and you could play as male too, but because of that option Revan should be genderless, either that or in KOTOR 2 and TOR they should either ask the player directly if they'd played Revan as a specific gender then make Revan that gender for that player, or through character conversations have to play to speculate as to what gender Revan was then him Revan that gender, though the easiest thing would be to simply make Revan genderless, never show Revan without the mask, never refer to Revan with gender pronouns simply as Revan.
When you first meet Atton while he's locked in a force cage. The option comes up in conversation as you suggested. It's then you can determine the gender you played in KOTOR1.
Them pronouns, who needs them.
Canonically, Revan is a male and the Exile a female. Even if you played Kotor one as a chick and Kotor II as a dude, Revan is still a man and Meetra Surik is still a woman.
When they realized so many people wanted the Kotor stories to continue they had to make the main characters a specific gender, so they just settled on one and said: 'Revan's a guy, Meetra's a girl. Play the games however you want them, but when it comes to the real story, that's what they really are.'
They should have made him transgender. Androgin, you know.
Sadly they gave Revan a canonized gender and the same with the Exile. But I agree with you. TOR would have been much more enjoyable if they allowed the player to play a Revan and an Exile with the gender you wished. For me, it would have been a Female Revan and a Male Exile.
As for KOTOR 2 that option already exists, you have that option to pick what gender you want for the Exile and what gender Revan is when you talk to Atton. I agree though giving people the choice of who Revan was male or female makes players much more invested into game play.
@ProtossHydralisk: I believe so. The raw modules were available at one point at Team Gizka's site, but when their site went down, so did the modules.
Kreia talking with Darth Travolta
Revean is you heavent you noticed it makes sense because how you got cast out of the jedi order is how reven got cast out from it not to mention in the first game malek says you are the bad guy just play the game again and you will know
This is hilariously wrong.
Like, terribly hilariously wrong.
Raven is not your character in kotor 2, hes long gone to malachor 5 by the time your character wakes up on a damaged Ebon hawk. Also raven never really got cast out of the jedi order , he left without their permission to fight in the war but they didnt cast him out because while the jedi didnt think they should be in the war they were not gonna stop anyone who wanted to go fight in Ravens mercy corp, then later he returned and attacked the republic, so if anything he left the order himself. And the most damning evidence against your theory is the fact Bastila and Carth talk to your character near the end of Kotor2 and tell you Revan went to malachor 5.
"You are all things, Revan... and yet you are nothing. In the end, you belong to neither light nor darkness. You will forever stand alone."
You are NOT Revan in KOTOR 2. Do some research. (:
No.
",,, ,,,like staring into the death of the force"
Exile: O_O
Direct action is not always the best way.
Perhaps Kreia's cryptic character was framed in such a way to make the player think. Her words of wisdom were that of a true jedi. It takes thought. Perhaps the makers of the game wanted us to think, to put pieces together-- to finish what they started. No where else but through that could we ever know where Kreia came from. You don't always need to spell things out, and Kreia DID tell us Brianna would lead the jedi as a historian; as she once was.
Good to see people still care about that game.
I love how if revan was like the force it self both light and dark
The exile is the opposite of him
The lack of force, an empty spot
Both able to be true to them selfs.
@Yellacha: The first sign that things were going to be messed up with this franchise was the fact they made it into an MMO for the next game. I knew then that everything that us purist held dear was going down the toilet.
man she was revan^s master like jedi
This is the last time I'll answer this since I already have, but I got the incomplete modules from Team Gizka's website.
what kreia didnt tell you, is that revan had a dog and the mandalorians killed it!
Raw modules left over from Obsidian. You can warp there on your PC version of the game.
The modules to M4-78 are in the Xbox, but you can't get access to it.
The scene you can get if you have a lot of influence with Kriea.
I would dream of having kreia be my master when I was first played kotor2, her purpose of preparing us to aid Revan feels like it was executed perfectly
In a galaxy far, far away... that means we'll never see it in our lifetime...
They did. In fact the two project leaders are my staff members at FileFront now.
What you don't understand is that at the Team Gizka website, the incomplete modules for M4-78 are there for download.
revan is my most favorite sith, even after having his memory erased he was able to take on any challenge, and YET he still wishes to go n fight the "true sith"
Proof Kreia is, in fact, Arren Kae.
So, so true.
him whether I saw Revan, his (secret) husband, or not. Bastilla says something like "I fear we'll never know the answer why he left". I think Revan and Bastilla were the Old Republic era Anakin-Padme couple.
Several places. In fact, I have videos of all of her appearances if you go through my video list.
nice and i can actually see the words
like a boss
A chilling thought; Revan the Commander, true power with such connection to the Force that he was like its beating heart. Exile the General, true potential with such horrors etched into her very being that she was a wound, a void in the Force that could kill it. And at the edge of the universe, where none others stand... the two meet again.
The Exile and Kreia are on M4-78, a droid planet that was cut from the game and where Master Lonna Vash was supposed to be.
Discovering that you are revan in kotor is one of the greatest reveals in games....it was like "I am your father" level.
That's interesting. It does seem that way.
This module itself is not restored content. It's a raw version of M4-78.
Who else's jaw dropped when they started scrolling the comments to find most of them are Shem's?
Completely agree. You understand what KOTOR1+2 were. Good to see there's still some of us around.
I wonder if Kreia knew who Barbara Lerner spectre is...
oh well if that's that case, then he approved THIS story.
I've always been more into games where you have to think. KOTOR's like that already, but the M4-78 puzzles help.
...hence, having nothing left to loose, Kae marched to war, she was already an exile when she joined Revan, and died in the war. Mical does mention Revan going back to his original master to learn how best to leave the Order. As for Kae he says that Revan went to her before she had gone to the war, in the same period of time that Revan, and Malak, went to Zhar Lestin and Dorak.
It's a droid planet that was cut from TSL.
Have a lot of influence with Kreia and you can get it.
I hitchhiked there.
At least you know it's M4-78. Look through the comments and see how many people have asked the question of what planet this is.
It's planet M4-78. I just warped there and did the scene. :p
no its m4-78 its a planet that was cut from the final game but has been restored.
Kreia is awesome.
That was the most scary thing, i've ever heard
After having finished reading Revan by Drew Karpyshyn, this conversation does raise a few questions about Revan's choices. I'd highly recommend going to read it yourself, it's a good read.
No, this was the whole conversation that was available in the game. There isn't anymore you could unlock.
You know the part where Atton talks about Revan with the Exile? That part.
Imagine going with the soul patch preset.
Yes that was her whole plot. Most people who play the game don't even figure it out or understand it. Kreia was a great character.
0:23 "Anymore than i know where he walks now" ...ive had a feeling that she might know where he is, but wasn't sure. Perhaps she did know once, and didn't want to tell us where her old student is. Or she had an idea of where, but wasn't sure. That's the thing about Kreia, you never quite know if she's telling the whole truth. When one talks with her, you can never tell if she knows more than she leads us to believe.
Yes.
Ask Atton. He flew the Ebon Hawk here.