Begone, Edge! - Microsoft's Monopolistic Practices
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CHAPTERS
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0:00 Intro
1:30 Edge
3:10 Fresh Install
5:45 Anti-Trust
8:00 But Why?
9:15 It Gets Worse
10:12 Conclusion
11:34 Outro 
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Wen Riley Gates full series? Make. It. Happen.
Oh, did i mention if Chrome is preinstalled on every single Android device which compatible with "Google Play Service"?
I like Edge. It's faster and lighter than others. And you can change the search engine to Google, so np.
I use adblock browser
You can use 3rd party software to remove edge browser
frankly, I was hoping ya'll would teach us how to get rid of edge :(
I love how Linus, while dressed as a Medieval Knight, is still wearing a smartwatch.
Even knights need to know the time
a Russian knight at that
@@artski09 Russia bad no **bonk**
You cant be late for your crusade. :]
After he took that arrow to the knee he’s been trying to keep tabs on his activity.
Seeing the edge icon pop back up on my desktop (after Revo uninstalled it) is like not only seeing your house was broken into, but the thief was rotten enough to take a huge dump in the middle of the living room floor before they left
It feels like if you went on vacation with your wife and unbeknownst to you, your crazy-stalker ex partner breaks into your house, sleeps in your bed, wears your clothes, and then leaves a note on the bed that reads "Miss you babe", all while you had absolutely no clue how she broke in, what she did etc. Its wildly unsettling and feels like actual rape every time I see Edge randomly pop up. So disgusting.
This is one of many reasons I am heavily considering switching to Linux Mint 21.2.
Please don’t ever stop having fun with your videos. Seeing everyone smiling and laughing and just doing fun things they’ve always wanted to do makes each video that much more entertaining!
Google did plenty of things to get chrome to the top spot:
- They paid other software to bundle it in their installers (flash)
- They run top-spot (free to them) ads for it that you couldn't permanently dismiss in their market-dominant search engine
- They "unintentionally" crippled gmail/gapps running in other browsers time and again
In other words, they basically did the exact same thing Microsoft did (leverage their dominance in other areas to push for their browser).
And you cant remove chrome from your android device, with simply this you force things.
Ironically installing chrome with flash is like making installing flash useless because flash is included with chrome .. or well.. was
@@Didier88600 which is why many stick with chrome on their PCs to sync their browser history
All i see is more of a reason to use opera gx
The last one was extremely obvious if you tried to use the old Edge with RUclips. So much that it was not even funny. TBH, I liked the old, native Edge, worked fast (as long as Google was out of the services I was using), it's PDF and epub capabilities were way better than anyone else, and it was extremely smooth and snappy.
Wait, didn't Google get as pushy as Microsoft with regards to Chrome? They kept pushing Chrome whenever you open Google's services with other browsers.
They still do.
yes, you're right.
@@EdwardSwardt well, currently I'm using Firefox and haven't seen any ad regarding installing chrome whenever I use google
There's a difference between suggesting a chrome download and forcing you to open every single file format with Edge.
@@jaimesoad isnt firefox made on Chromium
I went on a rampage to remove Edge. I ended up coming to the realisation that you can just go into the Windows folder, Edge, select the folder then press delete. My initial reaction was silence, and then 'oh.'
You'll need to double check that same location after a Windows update. It sometimes will fetch missing files from the internet.
@@guyman1570 Bof! Well I'll have to keep checking.
@@Samson1 Actually you can over ride microsoft on most things through the registry editor. It's just incredibly stupid in terms of functionality once you're used to linux but it is doable. You can delete edge and also put in a value to keep it from reinstalling itself.
Everything else you can neuter in one click by using the ShutUp10 software.
@@kishascape I absolutely adore ShutUp10! And that's incredibly good to know.
@@Samson1 my biggest problem with ShutUp10 is that when you press revert to factory settings, it doesn't actually undo everything you had changed in it. It just forgets about stuff and doesn't revert. And sometimes whenyou turn toggles back off, it also doesn't change back. It's really annoying when you need to temporarily revert something to resolve an issue, and the thing you need to revert won't revert.
Also to note: chrome keeps making proprietary changes and additions to their web renderers that go completely against W3C spec
No they don't
@@Aashishkebab Yes they do
@@something8068 examples please
@@Aashishkebab Yes they did, they implemented several animations and types of form setups only Chrome would understand and would completely brick on other browsers.
And don't get me started on their shadow-kit css for "beautified edges of dialogs and buttons" and, again, had great trouble on other browsers.
If you've ever seen a CSS file or a web page having a header doing:
#FireFox and other browsers workaround adjusting for non-modkit-support
if browser:firefox {
@@Dutch3DMaster dude, I'm a web developer. You're literally wrong and that's not the reason those extra CSS classes exist.
chrome is also really benefitting from being the default in a lot of android devices. Guess they might need to look at that as well.
True. But you can completely disable Chrome in just a few taps.
you can remove chrome from android but to remove edge you need to download a script from github and hopefully windows updates won't restore edge again
On my phone you can't even remove their searchbar from homescreen unless you use something like Niagara laubcher
You can remove it easily, and also most importantly it doesn't suck
@@senpaiiiiiiiiiiiii950 You cannot remove chrome from most android devices lol
08:50 Chrome also got there by basically bullying anyone that used Google services into using chrome. With popups, missing functionality or by deliberatley crippling performance in e.g. Firefox. Chrome is not the good guy here imo.
Not to mention Google/Chrome bullies web standards in general by pushing additions/changes they want regardless of if they're accepted. They just use their market share to effectively tell web standards and browsers following them to either accept what they want to crash and burn. The entire reason New Edge exist is because Microsoft couldn't keep up with Google's demands/changes with the web engine they were maintaining for IE.
@@ClearComplexity Oh yeah. It's a shame Edge didn't come to be a skinned version of Firefox. At least that way there could have been a competitor tto Chromium.
Not to mention it comes pre-installed on Android. The only reason companies like Microsoft and Google have such a high market share now is MAINLY because of how they come pre-installed with various hardware products. Over 95% of technology users are too illiterate to even know what a file manager is, let alone uninstall a system component, replace it etc. Those types of people are also the ones the fake news targets for instance.
Also Chrome's mostly undocumented Software Reporter Tool can suddenly cripple performance when it initiates random scans. An unwanted process suddenly stealing 99% CPU, disk and network utilisation can ruin your day, especially when it kicks in during an online exam or when working towards a deadline.
Yes and that's what Linus said at the ending too. Chrome is also not white knight
Google did _a lot_ of their own pushing to get Chrome usage up. I don't remember ever seeing a TV commercial for it, but I do remember constantly being nagged by Google services to switch to "faster" Chrome. And many software installers that also installed Chrome. I wonder what their market share would be without all of that.
Doesn't matter no company should be pushing crap that hard.
wow saved my typing the exact same thing, thanks! :D declaring 'google got chrome where it is today just by being the best' in a video about anti-competetive practices, dark patterns and railroading consumers ..... is just baffling. Hold on maybe i should unpause and watch the rest in case it's actuall the setup to a jo......nope. bit of 'google bad too' after but chrome reached monopoly purely on its own merits it seems. And though they mention chromium taking over what's left of the browser options, not a word on if that's a good thing for competition and innovation. you can have any colour you like, as longs as it's black, said henry chrome ford :D
Also Android forces Chrome as well
You know what more ridiculous? Now they not auto hd on youtube if you are not using chrome
The amount of times I’ve had to pick my “preferred” browser in the iPhone Gmail app just for gmail to ignore it is too damn high. Seems like I’m “remember my choice” button every single time I open a link.
I’ll ride Firefox till I die.
I've been using Edge for at least a year now. It's actually good now, which sounds insane, but I'm a longtime Chrome and Firefox user and eliminating them and moving to Edge is a move I have not yet regretted.
The problem is how its unfair to others because of Microsoft's ridiculous anti competitive behaviour. Moves like this(By companies that provide "platforms" like windows) will cause the death of the free web (What's left of it anyway) and your entire digital life will be controlled by big tech companies so that they can milk you dry of your money.
Edit: To clarify i also hate chrome because of the same reason, google isn't any better
I've been fine with it since it came out, no issues for my average browsing needs. Same with bing, I rarely go to Google.
I just didn't want more google stuff in my life. The phone is enough, even with most of the crap turned off.
I use Firefox in Linux mint and it's my main OS to stay away from both Google and MS.
Yeah it's snappier then chrome but the search engine still needs some work
edge is realy good browser for low specs PC . I use it on my pentium j5005 pc
@@chillhour6155 but you can just change the default search engine and use google's one lol.
This is why I use Firefox. Would love for Linus to do a more in-depth video about them. They’re a really great non-profit that sponsors a lot of local tech initiatives in cities like Eugene, OR
they went from best brower to one of the worst, plus the new logo hurts to look at
cool story but the brower is ass now
Firefox is meh nowadays. Far from their heyday in the early to mid 00s.
they're not non profit they are 99% funded by google
@@lefroste6370 still a non profit google only funds them to not be a monopoly in danger
Honestly the effort and production of these sketches whilst actually teaching us all is beyond fantastic well done LTT
Teaching you a skewed narrative to promote their biased view isn't a public service.
@@w0t I saw nothing but facts , I don’t care about edge but still good to see the other side , be better not bitter my guy
@G @YES does have a point as Linus is talking crap about Edge only running on one OS. He should have talked about it on other OSs that allow you to run Edge. Not everyone is running Windows 11. Which i find good that Microsoft doesn't allow everyone to run windows 11. They still haven't even finished the damn thing. I like windows 11 only for the much needed visual overhaul. But as stated in my other comments, and stated in this comment Linus is only covering a small to medium portion of people that might be dealing with this problem. Which don't get me wrong i am not agreeing with Microsoft's ways here, i don't agree with how Google does their practices. But if you are going to cover something like this. It should be stated that they only tested it on Windows 11. Notice how he also makes a joke on Windows taking their data anyways. But he doesn't make the joke of Apple or Google taking your data anyways 😆, because they do. The tailored experience is also on Google. That's how you can get RUclips ads about stuff you may have looked up like a fuzzy coat or a car you might have looked at. Or even better stuff you may have even talked about near devices that listen... The last one was a joke.... Somewhat. If you talk to your assistant for cars or coats, they may take that data and use it to "personalize" the shit they show you. Linus does not talk about any of the other things like this.
@@w0t what exactly is the narrative?
If they recently hired an art director, it's showing. Increasingly fun and silly bits throughout videos recently.
The intro fits so well with the release of Elden Ring.
Also the unjustified invasion of Ukraine, referring to the defenders being true knights here.
Elden Ring looks cool as hell but I'm not sure if the difficulty will be for me or the game itself
Should I try it one day?
@@obamamii2042 yes
Seriously! 10/10 I want more Elden Linus
@@alex786 I don’t think it’s that deep
I love how you embrace the "got em'!" nature of sponsor adds 😆
0:39 Every mom when their kid is doing acting without them knowing
It'd be funny though, if Microsoft beat Google with a browser based on Google's own code.
That said, it is kind of alarming that basically all browsers with the exception of Firefox and Safari are just Chromium forks.
Well, Chromium's blink engine is fork of Safari's WebKit's WebCore. Only Firefox is truly original
I mean there are also forks of firefox and isn’t duckduckgo making there own desktop browser
Alarming how exactly? Isn't chromium open source and if the browsers are all built on the same open source code, wouldn't that allow for certain universal support between them? I know I'd love it if all cords switched to USB-C, but is there some difference in a browser being built on the same code? Not exactly a coding buff.
@@vullord666 if there all built on the same code then it prevents competition from other web engines because they won’t be supported furthermore that gives google some control over most of our browsing which is already very bad
@@vullord666 Competition fuels innovation, no need to optimize the engine when everyone is using the same thing...
I like how they complained about vertical tabs taking too much space and yet every single website they showed in this video is content in the middle with giant empty space on the sides
also worth noting that there is a button on top of the vertical tabs list that allows you to go back to tabs at the tops by default
You clearly don't have OCD like we do haha... it bothered me as well
that's adblock at work there. normally those spaces would be filled with intrusive ads. So I guess the silver lining is that supposedly if you used a browser with vertical tabs, they'd block the ads from view assuming the website doesn't resize everything to match, which considering how few people use edge, hardly anyone probably goes out of their way to do.
@@companyoflosers I have been using vertical tab addons on firefox (currently Tree-style-tab) for about 10 years now and I can tell you from experience that websites that actually use most of the space available are the exception and I have not had a problem with a single website.
The clarity it provides in finding my way in my tabs while compared with the squished horizontal tabs that are the default is irreplaceable for me.
So maybe it being default in the new Edge could lead more people to the light and glory that are vertical tabs. :D (Though they really need to add the tree-style part.)
@@chrispeters8555 haha no, im not
That little shadowbox thing in the intro was actually gorgeous. Kudos!
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You forget how Chrome was bundled with other installers (like Flash) with an opt-out option that essentially ensures Chrome would be installed automatically on most machines.
You don't get opt out in windows installation tho
Also, as edge , opera and many other browsers are based on chromium…the real monopoly on collecting data through browsers is in hands of Google
@@neilnair5388 Chromium itself shouldnt collect data
@@neilnair5388 chromium is the rendering engine, it doesn't collect data itself.
@@OperaVanDubels how is an OS with no browser any better? Doesn't everything iOS come with safari? Doesn't every Chromebook and Android (and additionally everything Google related) come with Chrome + Manufacturer's own Browser? Doesn't most Linux distros come with a browser?
I feel like this isn’t the first time that James has walked Ina room and found Linus in LARP gear
Haha yes
"let's be honest , this isn't the worst thing you've caught me doing"
I set up Edge the exact same way I set up Chrome. It does actually seem to run better than Chrome, maybe because it uses DirectX instead of OpenGL, which while proprietary is extremely native to Windows and super fast compared to OpenGL, which is for more general use in every platform.
Edge is my default browser, and it works basically identical to Chrome.
You're just supporting this behavior though.
@@Idiomatick Google does the same.
same
Chrome is worse in performance, stability, ram usage and doesn't have many in-built features I like and regularly use from Edge. Dictionary, Spellcheck, deeper integration with Windows, much cleaner and better UI, in-built Internet speed test, Math solver, Read aloud, Citations, Detailed PDF viewer, Optimised for Xbox Cloud Gaming, Video backgrounds on New tab, Sleeping Tabs, Discarding Tabs, Truly good feedback and customer support, Two Stores for Extensions, IE Mode for legacy website compatibility and so much more.
I cannot imagine my life without Edge for even 1 day. I would cry if I were forced to use Chrome.
@@Idiomatick I assume that you aren't using Chrome either then?
PSA- the option to disable the Welcome Experience sales pitch after updates is hidden under Notifications & Actions as a checkbox titled "Show me the Windows Welcome Experience..."
And Chrome came to the first place by (among many things) targeting competitive browsers such as Firefox with "random" errors on their sites. They ensure that their sites always run better on their own browser. The 1999 problem of the 99% market share by Microsoft, is almost the same today where Chromium based browsers have almost strangled any alternative engine, this can potentially hurt innovation. At the moment, Firefox/Gecko is pretty much the only alternative browser/engine.
Brave, Edge and Firefox are all better than Chrome.
Might consider asking apple to bring back safari to windows
This. I use Firefox almost 100% of the time but some things, like Google shopping for a while, just don't work on Firefox as it'd just appear as a blank white page with google search at the top. This could be fixed by using an extension that tells the server that you're using Chromium instead of Firefox, although it still wouldn't display perfectly.
In other words, Google explicitly made sure that Firefox users would get a broken page even though it worked perfectly fine other than some visual issues.
Firefox for life, liberty, and the pursuit of openness.
@@haomingli6175 Apple only allow Safari Web Engine on their OS that is like Microsoft Ban all other browser and only allow them to use EdgeHTML engine.
Honestly, as much as I despise Edge, I actually have to give it props for its PDF viewer. That PDF viewer is pretty detailed, with bookmarks and section finding, it's genuinely a good experience for reading long PDFs.
As someone that has to constantly read long PDF's, Edge's Read Aloud feature was a game changer. The highlighter also works far better than Adobe Reader's
If only it has PDF combine feature... Then adobe won't get my cash...
Foxit reader
@@BlackWhiteCloud Is also an amazing program and I highly recommend it.
@@ganonzero1
Yeah, I love the Read Aloud feature. But I default to Firefox. Now I just started using Brave browser again. Forgot all about it.
Interesting research you've done! Cudos to you. Somone needs to address it - and you did a good job on this!
Please please make more like this, even if as a offshoot. It would be great to watch tech history with medieval/ fantasy vibes at times.
Would've been an excellent opportunity to show changing default browser to anything *but* Chrome too.
I dont get why people praise Chrome over Edge so much, you people are paying for 4k netflix and you use chrome? For what, to watch it at 720p? Edge atleast supports 4k
@@Glade4 "you people" most certainly aren't paying for 4K Netflix. And anyways, that's just a reason to use it specifically for that and nothing else.
If I remember correctly Mozilla reverse engineered Edge's api in Windows 11 which now allows Firefox to set itself as the default for the other browser extensions that Linus showed in the video. But yeah it would've been nice of him to atleast mention Firefox in the video (aside from the intro).
@@ashtonhoward5582 Edge has evolved over the years and now has many great features over what Chrome has to offer. It does have some downsides, sure, but I personally can't see any reason to use Chrome over it.
@@robertm20 yeah kinda disappointed that firefox had almost no screen time - it's the last browser that's left that's not chromium...
Edge isn't bad, change default engine and landing page and it is a less hungry chrome.
@RandomClips that you know of, google just take it without you knowing
@RandomClips literally every big companies will take your data now. You using windows already do.
@RandomClips Dude, that's basic GDPR. Microsoft does that too.
The only difference is if you disable optional telemetry on Microsoft services you don't essentially lose access to features like with Google which doesn't let you use it's assistant without it.
@RandomClips False. Try reading Edge's privacy whitepaper
I love your intro, it's so satisfying
Anything that cuts into Google's dominance is a good thing imo.
Something that wasn't mentioned: Microsoft started using the "microsoft-edge://" protocol instead of "" in Windows, to make sure it only goes to Edge. Also, they've intentionally blocked EdgeDeflector, Firefox and Brave's implementations of the protocol to make sure Edge is the only program that can open it.
I just found that out for myself. Seems like a Monopoly to me. Doesn't even give you a choice for those protocols.
No clue why it's such a big fuss, it's understandable, those websites are basically system internal and are built around Edge. There are still engine issues after all and it's the easiest way to ensure nothing breaks
This is annoying like nothing could ever be
MSEdgeRedirect defeats this anticompetitive behavior. Get it from github. Its in Beta now but it works well. The only forced Edge links it does not redirect are Cortana searches which still unfortunately go to Bing via Edge but that might change in future versions, not that anyone gives a sh!t about Cortana anymore.
Just a thought, but.... if EdgeDeflector is able to implement changes to your os and to your web browser, what's stopping a hacker from doing the same? Microsoft is more or less fixing security holes this way, howerever, they very much should allow you to chose your own browser as default (as long as no one sues them if their data gets stolen, they should allow it).
Look, you can’t say you’re fighting monopoly while using Chrome. Use anything other than edge and chrome if you really care. Also, iOS devices. They force everyone to use safari under the hood. Apple definitely should not get a free pass here.
True. I really don't get Linus' issue here
So does the Androids with chrome. It’s annoying af.
firefox gang B)
@@sawk1875 yeah, will use Firefox until it stops working, no matter how many things google break for their services. I only use chrome to access google sites except for RUclips.
that's why he's saying to fight monopolies. because no one is innocent. edge is the best example
Canadian flip top head at 5:34 !!! Well done LTT - I was not expecting THAT joke!
Astounding video, thank you.
I 100% agree with this video, but it also always bothers me when Microsoft is singled out as Google (ChromeOS, Android) and Apple (MacOS, iOS) do the same thing--often even worse. Action on forced default software should be industry -wide, not just Windows.
Yeap, on iOS you literally cannot even change your browser. Any browser on appstore is basically just frontend skin for Safari, but I guess if colors of buttons change nobody cares anymore.
What I really hate is how once you start buying from either store, you are pretty much trapped in that ecosystem. I mean, has anyone tried not using Gmail/Apple mail/Outlook?
@@ezramiller8296 I used to use Mozilla thunderbird, and with my current move towards Linux on most of my systems (no real choice for mobile or work computer) I’ll be picking that back up
Yes. Its disgusting how the google also join that lawsuit against microsoft. The hypocrisy
@@rama7731 I think Google is getting a pass because they don't directly make money off their products like other companies do. For example, you can get a free gmail account, with storage. You can use their search engine, photo storage, web browser, etc., without them charging a dime. But we really know that they take our data, and sell it. Ridiculous. Google might give back to the open source community (which most say is really awesome), but the amount they give back is nothing compared to what they take in.
The reference to Terrance and Phillip is just pure gold
0:39 The guy came in too soon.
You were doing great, just as is.
Thanks Buddy!
"I'm so glad that evil monopoly that Microsoft had over browser software is gone! Now we have the evil monopoly that Google has. So much better."
@Lycanthrope On the one hand, I don't buy that he's just being paid off by Google. Linus became successful on the back of his integrity being unimpeachable. However, he _has_ shown himself to be capable of being influenced in other ways and also to be rather biased.
This Microsoft hate was really popular back in the 90's and early 2000's, especially among tech workers and enthusiasts, and that bias has carried over in the modern day for a lot of them. It's some Animal Farm stuff, because Google is becoming far worse than Microsoft ever was, and people are cheering on Google because "At least it's not Microsoft!"
@Lycanthrope Not to mention the idea that he's talking about having anti-trust laws when in fact all of these major tech corporations have ties to the US Federal Government in some form or fashion. And it's kinda sad because it's been only one political party that's been in control in Washington DC since 1961.
@@RaynmanPlays Man I love you I 100% agree with you. Very less people realise this. Google needs to be destroyed. Microsoft is much better than Google. People are supporting the wrong side.
I like how Linus thinks Google just used good marketing to become #1 with Chrome. But they actually just paid a lot of oems for awhile.
They also forced google chrome on most android phones shipped just like Microsoft did with Internet Explorer before the lawsuits. And did other shady things to hamper other rbwosers. For example they added fully transparent squares to the youtube website to screw with the rendering engine Edge used before switching to chromium.
If you'd tally it up google basically did every single thing Microsoft did in the browser space and then added their own 'ideas' on top.
Isn't that good marketing?
and also anti-competetive practices like creating custom APIs that are at best slow on other browser engines, or at worst outright break them.
I like how you think you have more knowledge than him
@@umairzia4524 making videos does not make one the most knowledgeable person in the world
Okay but I usually don't really like your weird sketches in the videos but I was enjoying the one in this episode haha
I want to love Linus but he keeps making it harder for me by doing videos like this and showing how Chrome is the best of the best.
Yeah. Chrome is honestly worse at this point. Fuck anything besides firefox, and even then firefox is even getting harder to love as much as I used to.
He's been their loyal dog for years, it's really annoying given that he's supposed to be a prosumer
@@Kriae he was never and has never been that, he's always been a CONSOOMER fad channel for all the little latest toy like gimmicks for PC neckbeards.
I'm pretty sure that LMG in general is just quite biased against Microsoft applications.
They are quite out of touch about the features and real advantages that Office 365 apps bring to the table, as well as the very real use cases for power users and enterprise.
I can't forget the time they said "who uses Outlook? lol". That's how I knew they were not perfect. xD
9:00 You somehow forgot to mention that google chrome, a couple of years back when it started getting traction in the market, did so by getting bundled in other unrelated freeware and shareware setups, where you would have to remove the tick to install Chrome otherwise it would install itself and mess around with your application startup options. It wasn't just some ads that people saw.
These days it is just Yandex...
THANK YOU. I was actually pissed off that Linus portrayed it as just "nice ads". The Adobe Reader installer basically made it super hard to NOT install Chrome.
There are also numerous things that require a Google account, RUclips being one of them. Also, most schools and universities require the use a Gmail account as well.
This video is about Microsoft. Maybe he'll get to that if he ever wanna shit talk about Chrome next.
@@Ham24brand you can't blame Google for a school or employer for requiring a Gmail account...
Nor can you blame Google (RUclips) for requiring a Google account. I mean, you can't sign into Photoshop with a Netflix account.
C'mon...
"Microsoft is selling your data and is a monopoly"
*uses Google Chrome*
lol
he should use firefox if on windows
If you would have watched whole video - you'd know he responds to that around 9:43
lmfao. MS isnt even get revenue from selling ads. google on the other hand, their business model IS selling user data
Me who used brave+ vpn
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Sefe
Love these creative intros!
"They can force you to open it at least once"
*Laughs in powershell script that installed Chocolatey and then uses Chocolatey to install all my other stuff including Chrome*
I switched to Firefox and I highly recommend it for others out there who wish to use a non-chromium based browser.
i was thinking about a switch from chrome, and use firefox from time to time. but firefox has the most annoying update pop up, i do not know how to disable it.
updating browsers are not something i want to do in any case.
@@sudd3660 You set it to back ground when you install.
I used Firefox originally.
Switched to Chrome after it released, as it was better, at the time.
Switched back from Chrome to Firefox around... I wanna say 2018-2019.
AND then I switched to Edge in around 2020?
Edge just uses less resources today than Firefox did, so... edge won for me.
AS for actual performance: they ran about the same. Early edge wasn't too great, as I remember it just lagging, but it's been a lot better now.
Adjusting to some of the settings was a tiny challenge; initially really annoying, but I quickly got over it.
That said: I haven't updated to W11 yet and have no plans to do so in the immediate future, given that it had some issues causing Ryzen CPUs to perform worse. I'm sure I wouldn't notice the performance loss, BUT I still don't really want to deal with it.
@@zaftra but i cant keep clicking install every time there an update.
in chrome i barely notice the update icon, and you can keep piling them up indefinitely for months.
@@sudd3660 you can set it to update automatically in the settings.
This is why I think Firefox is so important. Not only is it one of the few browsers that isn't Chromium based, ensuring that Google can't just push their own proprietary standards on the web (see: FLoC), but it's also not owned by one of the largest corporations on the planet. I do also think some of the features it offers are really good (container tabs to separate work and personal browsing is awesome).
I think there is a persistent minority of people still continuing to use Firefox :)
It's actually really nice on Android as well, I highly recommend it
I use Firefox on every device I use except for my iPhone because apple doesn’t let you use extensions on anything other than safari. It’s not really much better on android unfortunately.
@@benuscore8780 it baffles me how 4.18% of their maketshare translates to 153 million people
@@agrisimfarming Yeah, despite forcing every browser to run WebKit they still have extensions locked down and that's a bummer. Apple is even worse than Microsoft in that regard.
It's basically the only thing that isn't Chromium based... as all the ones that aren't, except Safari, are based on Gecko... since there basically isn't any other engines left.
That was truly the best Krusty the Clown impersonation I've heard.
This is THE only media where I don't mind watching their sponsor content pureply for their comical segue transition. Quality.
I'm more worried about Chrome's market dominance than Edge. Chrome got its market share by pushing Chrome on Google search via unfair ad placement on the search homepage.
And forching it to be installed with almost every other software you got
I didn't like that either. 8:46 Linus (or whoever wrote this video) made it seem like Chrome got to where it is ONLY through being a good product and advertising. Conveniently forgetting that it is the default on Android phones and how hard Google used to push it on their services. At one point, Google intentionally made the experience of their products worse when using a different browser that wasn't Chrome. It's not as bad as it was before, but it's still something they did and trying to make it seem like Microsoft is the only one doing seems a bit disingenuous at best.
They did it by being the superior browser.
And also offering itself to be installed alongside other apps like RealPlayer, Avast anti-virus, etc. I got bad vibes from Chrome like that because you usually only get useless toolbars and possibly unnecessary software thru such offers.
@@ThatLaloBoy Linus is biased. He hates Edge for having Bing be the default search engine but turns a blind eye when Google Chrome does the same thing with their own search engine.
I love they did this whole like medieval old age bit only for him to still wear this smart watch
That South Park reference XD. Fantastic job Friend
omg the south park reference is my favorite LTT clip of all time
Google also showed ads on its homepage to 'install Chrome for better browsing experience' when using IE and Firefox. After some outcry, they only showed it when using an older version of the two browsers. However, when searching for 'firefox', 'browser' etc in google, the first result would still be an ad for google chrome, and it continued for long time. And it practices the same anti-competitive things like edge in android (can't uninstall, searches made through google app or search widget go through chrome irrespective of default, privacy nightmare etc). The only clean browser in browser space is firefox. Better use it and stop google/microsoft from misusing their monopolies, which google has been doing a lot with its search engine, browser and ads. Its a pity that wider tech community does not see this and promote firefox
Google for a time deliberately ran you tube with poorer performance on non chrome browsers and suggest get chrome for better performance.
There's a big difference between suggesting you to switch to their browser when using their services, and Microsoft forcing you to use their shitty browser with no way to fully disable it
@@Ignacio.Romero you are simply justifying lesser evil because of existence of greater evil. In any case, chrome is for android as edge is for windows
Brave is better.
The Mozilla org sucks though. Brave is the best alternative.
The quality of even the 20 seconds skits always surprises me, they are so cool!
5:34
Thats why I love LTT and its team. Their team is so jolly, cool and fun unlike the MKBHD one
Dinkar Fowkar yo fr, I don't get the same chill vibe from the MKBHD team for whatever reason. Love their videography tho.
8:19
The entire apple ecosystem is a walking antitrust case
Using the camel image every time Bing was mentioned had me rolling. 😆
I love the attention to all the period specific details in the intro - the armour, the sword, the chainmail, the smart watch...
Linus is wrong about how Chrome got to No1.
Chrome failed to make much headway in the years after release, then Google started paying other software companies to include a silent install as part of their "updates". Adobe was one of the first, and biggest; and you never even saw the pre-ticked option unless you also allowed Adobe tracker scripts (I no longer use Adobe).
I also spotted it included in the "download managers" of several popular free and shareware repositories (that I no longer trust), driver update programs, (that I no longer trust), and AV companies (that I no longer trust).
Tens of millions of non-techy people woke up and thought Chrome was an IE rebranding, others realised something was wrong, but didnt know how to undo it (it made itself the default browser at install).
I have had it silently install MULTIPLE times, even though I consider myself tech-savvy; and spent many evenings uninstalling it from less savvy family members PCs.
Linus, I LOVE LTT, but what you said is totally wrong.
also google released their Chromebooks which use the google chrome browser and have a massive market share in computers
Thanks for this. Came here to say the same thing. Chrome's dominance was not natural.
This is all just part of the reason I use firefox. Too bad mozilla is on the verge of screwing everything up though. The fact that browsers will likely be fully chromium in the next few years depresses me.
@@someonerandom704 What do you mean by screwing everything up?
@@eliteextremophile8895 shitty management, allocating pay towards CEOs instead of the product
The bit with the flashback animation 🤣🤣 Linus had me choking on my coffee
I'm surprised you didn't mention Neftlix, Disney plus and other video streaming being locked at 720p on Chrome and other browsers while Edge gets the full resolution that you pay for (1080p to 4K).
Edit: if you want to check your resolution on Netflix in a browser, press Ctrl+Alt+Shift+S and it will overlay what resolution you're getting.
I use App on Windows 10/11
Not quite. Chrome supports 4k streaming on Netflix, the Edge version they want you to use is the verison that's Chrome based. It's not some grand conspiracy, Netflix/Disney want HDCP to prevent ripping. If you have dual monitors and try to stream Netflix and one monitor doesn't support HDCP, it won't go above 1080. I get 1440p HDR on Chrome, but I had to play around with HVEC codecs to get it to work, but even then I prefer the Netflix app, because it provides support for Dolby and neither Edge or Chrome do that.
wait seriously, i always thought it looked like shit on pc
@@twiggsherman3641 This actually would explain why when dragging a Netflix window around (from edge) that it is very possible to cause severe system lag / crash the GPU driver. Its just trying to protect its content, and it feels like the safest way to do so is crashing your driver
I'm out of the loop on this, last time I looked into it none of the services offered 4k in windows. If this has changed is it possible to get 4k with HDR and atmos using the big 3 services(netflix, prime and disney+) in Windows? Would be a bit of a game changer to my plans if so.
Idk why LTT is defending Chrome when Google is doing the same thing on Android.
Safari on Mac too
they're not, they even pointed that out at 9:50
And people were begging for Google to make Chrome the default in Android in the mid 2010s. You don't get to act outraged when you got exactly what you asked for.
@@ajshdhenskaka lol I was using a Nokia brick phone in 2010.
@@calh109 they were talking about the company in general, not the situation in Android. Anyways both of the companies can have my data I really don't know how I can stop either of them. I've tried using Duckduckgo but google's search is so much better that I can't not use it.
I unironically use edge all the time, now excuse me while I step down into the well deserved hell that awaits me
Edit: you can change the default search engine to google pretty easily, as well as removing the default vertical tab and coupon finder.
vertical tabs are SO GOOD!
wait until they change your settings back to default ... without even asking.
@@sihilius it asks me all the time to change the settings to default, but I don't let it do so. Apart from this, it works well, it's a chromium browser after all, and it functions like every other chromium based browser. Now sorry but I have to go back to hell.
@@TheCostantinus Yeah, the frequent annoyance is part of why i grew to hate it to. MS changing settings without permission was just the last bit needed to drive me away from it. If it wasn't for those annoyances and unauthorized changes of settings, it would still be my favorite browser too. But OK, have fun in hell. See you there😂.
@D.R Most, if not all browsers are spyware🤣.
Now i really want an entire medieval-themed linus tech tips video.
Linus: Microsoft is out to keep track of what you do in Windows and the internet.
Also Linus: Use Grammarly, which in no way resembles a keylogger.
Grammarly is broken on many levels: it's had some very bad security problems in the past, the company that owns it has repeatedly lied about their product's privacy-protecting features, and it often doesn't even fulfill its intended purpose reliably or competently. (Grammarly's suggestions are often tone-death, it frequently marks 'mistakes' that are actually intentional, and some dialects and languages are mot well-accommodated.)
If you really need a spelling/grammar assistant, use Language Tool instead. It's Free and Open Source software, so there's a lot less to be concerned about regarding privacy.
@@InventorZahran absolutely
@@InventorZahran OR just, learn to read and write proficiently.
Also Linus: Chrome does not track you nor invade your privacy. Hmm ... a browser made by a company that makes their money by invading your privacy and stealing and mining your data.
Chrome reached that point by doing EXACTLY the same thing Microsoft did: forcing their web browser on every android device.
Well it is by far not that kind of forcing. You can easily download any other browser, change defaults with a single click and voila, no more chrome
@@balazsrippl2339 soo the same as on windows?
@@starminecraft1 Not the same, in android you aren't tricked into many extensios to change de default browser.
@@balazsrippl2339 you can change the default on Windows as well. Install new browser and when it starts it asks you to make it the default
They are looking at PC browser market share not mobile
"which is why we need antitrust laws now more than ever." oh yes, I agree so much, this is so much worse than Standard Oil monopolising oil, Railways, and even grocery stores.
(Sarcasm, I know that it is stupid to say so, but I want to.)
I actually deadtivated ad blocker to see this magnificent video
Edge is a damn good Browser though, I like the design and its running on the same engine as chrome does, also edge has got some features that chrome doesn't have or didn't have when I switched
Still doesn't excuse them forcing it on us though.
@@SimulatedGoat Nor does it excuse Microsoft from creating functionality to regularly import your data from other browsers on your system.
I thought this same thing was covered years ago in the anti-trust suit brought against MS regarding IE being integrated into the OS. Why are they allowed to basically do the same thing all over again?
Because it's not IE? It's Edge... not the same product at all :D
I guess changing names really does work
Originally it was considered as such because it was an unfair advantage vs the other browsers because of the ease of getting them vs having IE just there on your system, when the internet was a much slower and much less complex place. Today the internet is far faster and we have smartphones so it's close to impossible to have not heard of or use at least one other browser. The availability of things like Opera, Chrome, Firefox, Edge, Safari, and all these other browsers has made it so they're all somewhat variable and people tend to stick to what they like because effectively there's not a lot of difference between the browsers.
Back in the 90's there was a lot of difference, the internet was slower, and sometimes things just DIDN'T work in a specific browser correctly.
Because isn't that the norm now in Mobile OSs now ? Both IOS and Android does similarly with Chrome and Safari. Even if a similar suit is brought on, Microsoft could easily point fingers and engage in some legitimate legal whataboutery.
For the same reason Google uses Chrome and Apple uses Safari. Outside of web browser apps both of them force their respective browser engines.
I Love the fact then when you have a fresh Windows install and use Edge to search for an alternative Browser, it pretty much begs you Not to and try Edge instead
It's very funny
This is my favorite LTT video it's very funny ! I didn't know they were making it so hard to get out of using it on Win 11 until watching this video because I'm still on Win 10. Those are dirty moves Microsoft !
I recently started using Edge as a test. Changed Bing to Google and turned off everything I could for ads and apps and such. Also supports Chrome add-ons. It is a good experience for now.
Wait until you have an update that resets the search engine to bing due to "security"
Ironically, Bing is a lot better than Google with their overly curated and censored results.
Been using it for 6 years now, it's the best browser experience I've had (also been running other browsers like Chrome and Firefox on other computers and devices). Edge is just simple and to the point, and its tab management and tab sleep works very well so it's great if you're handling multiple programs at once. Also imo by far the cleanest looking browser that requires the least amount of out-of-box modification.
@@Real_MisterSir are you high on fumes? The msn homepage is the worst thing about edge, showing me ads just for opening a new tab. It's incredibly annoying and shitty news too.
@@Real_MisterSir shiller
8:50 No. It did not. It did by leveraging their dominant position as the most used search engine, as well as one of the biggest ad services, plus using their other free services with their corporative "we are not evil" lie to sell it to people (exactly what MS did with Windows). Firefox by then was a good alternative too. People was fed up with IE back then too, yet they gravitated to Chrome unilaterally vs any other web browser alternative (me too, I'll admit). They leveraged their ad machine (not creative ads, but a massive ad campaign including the popular "software bundles") extremely well, and in a nastier way than MS did with Windows.
True, even today they force me to download Chrome and use Google. But Microsoft do the same for edge and bing.
@@im.angadsingh Yeah. At this point MS is the lesser evil. Still evil, mind you, but not enough to warrant a public bashing yet. At least not evil enough for now to reach the level of hamfisting a DRM scheme as a web standard, openly going against the "open web" principle. In fact, and considering that the majority of users do browse from phones, the nagging behavior on their services, pushing to substitute cookies for a worse way of tracking that benefits them and no one else, Widevine, forced browser on android if you want the store (all rendered with Webview goes through Chrome, no matter your browser, and it is W11 unfriendly level to change) amongst others it should have been "Begone, Chrome!" It was hard to outdo IE6, but man, Google has done it!
@@freemansfreedom8595 Well said and explained.
This is true and you should say it. MS did some heinous things, but Google is a giant graveyard of killed projects that were created solely to keep people inside their ecosystem long enough to stay afterwards.
I switched to Chrome for a few years back then because Firefox became a bloated abomination, it took them years to un-bloat themselves, so basically about 10 years of Firefox with Chrome in between.
Communication, browsers, grammarly?
It’s all connected. Truly beautiful connections
please dont stop the south park canadian bit it's hilarious I love it
I wonder if the “local only” registry edit for the windows search box still works in Windows 11. It’s literally the first thing I do when I’ve installed windows 10. Far better user experience, imo
I completely forgot that was part of my workflow. Autopilot is a hell of a thing when you've been purposely finding workarounds for bs for so long. I did do this on 11 (as well as make sure multi-monitor mode wasn't the most jank crap to ever exist (honestly, 10 was fine, good even. 11 is so much copy/paste, how did you screw that up???).
It does, I made a script for Windows 10 that disables Bing search and I tested in Win 11, it's the same registry and it works.
Do you mean the registry thing to remove/disable bing results?
The search in win 11 has been better to me though, atleast it directs me to my local apps and not their webpages unlike win 10. So I haven't used that workaround yet✌️.
I need more info on this. If it's a reg edit can I include it in an image I use to build multiple machines? I HATE the search box going online and so do all my users.
I've never had any of these problems with Edge. Firefox has always taken care of everything. I do like to use Edge when shopping though because the coupon code thing has saved me hundreds of dollars over time.
Aren't there browser extentions for that in firefox?
@@frej2229 yes
@@frej2229 I tried 'Honey' but none of the codes ever worked and I was finding codes that weren't listed. Are there any that work well?
petition to get an entire LTT video where they all speak in south park canadian the whole video
lol that intro was amazing XD
I remember the dark times circa 2012 when Chrome was bundled together with almost any program installer similarly to McAfee. Shit was so annoying that I will forever refuse to use it.
Yep and checked by default to install.
AGREED! Why isn't more people talking about this? We were nagged left and right to update our flash players, Java, Adobe reader, install some players like RealPlayer, etc. And what do they offer and is checked by default? Google Chrome and the option to set it as your default browser (for some installers).
I honestly switched to Edge a couple years ago, mainly because Chrome caps Netflix and other streaming services to 720p, and that in my 1440p monitor looked like crap. In addition to that, I felt (and still do) that if performs way better, uses less ram and the experience in general is more fluent. I don’t think I’ll switch back to chrome tbh
Yeah like looking at the practices and everything by Microsoft its bad but also edge isnt a bad browser and the issues linus brought up experience wise were never issues that cropped up for me when using edge literally whenever my computer is on
You already did. Edge got replaced with Chromium/Edge in 2020. Edge is now just Chrome with a Microsoft wrapper.
It’s nice on other peoples computers especially if they are less computer literate because it is very simple and you don’t have to worry about downloads
Is that actually a real issue? I can enjoy 4k content on chrome
It uses exactly the same amount of ram because it's Chromium under the hood. It's literally the same browser with a new coat of paint.
Is that a heckin' Renault shirt? That's awesome!
how many times did you start this i think its time to see the bloopers
I use edge with google as search engine. I also disabled every available tracking options from both browser and windows. To be completly honest, I really enjoy my edge.
Yup. I agree. Edge is great, although the business behind it is shady. So is Chrome unfortunately, and even goodguy Mozilla has some questionable actions nowadays.
I use it to also save my passwords, so my password vault is free and a part of Microsoft Authenticator. It's been pretty handy so far.
Agreed, Edge is fantastic. A lot of the stuff Linus is mentioning as a bad thing is kind of like... a good thing to me. Everything he's upset Edge has taken over doing is stuff that I don't even have to think about (ie: downloading a bunch of different applications to open or run these things) because Edge does it seemlessly.
Edge is fantastic.
I suppose it makes sense that, in an edge-case scenario like being a video editor or tech pro with all your own software solutions from all over the internet and paid software-sphere, Edge taking over these jobs randomly and suddenly would be quite annoying.
That said, for the mass majority of Windows users, Edge is another example of a Windows PC just doing what the user expects it to seemlessly, opening file types it used to need other applications to open, viewing things that would again, need other solutions to view, etc.
I have NO problem at all with Windows just having a component that IS a solution to this problem, that guarantees my computer will at the very least be able to do what I want it to by default.
@@lasuch4389 Why switch if there are those of us who like Edge. I personally find Firefox clunky and Brave can go die in a hole after their crypto affiliate link tomfuckery. What annoys me are techies like Linus intimating that we are all Satan for using it, it's a piece of software, so what.
It would have been nice if you had focused more on Firefox than on chrome as the better and much less intrusive alternative.
Yeah, it would be nice if people don't constantly circlejerk around chrome and its derivatives
@@jstan5802 Really? I only see circlejerks _against_ chrome. Like "hur dur chrome use all my ram" while Firefox is just as inefficient.
@@andymiller1597 yes that's right, but a browser being memory intensive is another point than the privacy thing that I was focusing
@@majormayer7133 i never understood this whole privacy argument. We all still use RUclips, Google maps, and other google services regardless of what browser we use right?
There is no privacy sadly. This whole gimmick that companies sell you about "privacy" is just another feature for you to try their product.
All browsers at this point are piles of shit, and we're left to choose by smell.
Best feature of edge over chrome for productivity is vertical tabs & being able to group your tabs. It’s incredibly useful to keep your browser organized and keep track of several tasks at once. I think edge is better than chrome. But definitely won’t deny Msoft very annoyingly wants you to use edge so can understand the frustration when using other browsers
6 months late but you can also group tabs in chrome
ctrl+click tabs, right click, and "add to group"
I've literally spent the past 2 years purging my windows 10, it STILL pops up after an update
Good additions to this video would have been showing people alternative browsers beyond Chrome. Furthermore, demonstrating how to remove Edge entirely (including the potential bricking of your OS installation) and also a small guide ofbsettings in Windows 10/11 people should watch out for.
There are many people out there who are at best hobbyists and they could probably use some comprehensive information.
Literally.
@@benjiro8793 If using pro you can set a target version with group policy and it will stay on that
I actually switched from chrome to edge some time ago when I ran a potato machine after seeing how much resource chrome hogged for itself. And I actually don't miss it at all. Edge is as good as chrome and also feels a lot better.
All in all, neither Microsoft nor Google are angels, there's a glaring reason why both are pushing so "generously" for you to have their "free" product. The price is you.
Firefox is a good alternative. I used it for quite some time on our super potato pc when I was a kid.
Firefox was destroying my battery life so I had to say it but I switched to edge. I hate edge but I need my computer to not die in half the day.
@@ninjycoon firefox is always not responding on my potato :(
@@BluRay_4 Dang, that's too bad. Whatever works best I suppose.
That South Park joke got me. Loved it.
Isn't that what google is doing with android
I think whats happening to Microsoft
Is "You either die a hero or live long enough to yourself become a villan"
For someone who opens 50+ tabs at the same time and just leaves them on, edge's vertical tab and tab sleep is the only reason I chooses it over original chrome and firefox.
Most of the problems shown in this video really has little to do with edge, it's more related to how microsoft has been treating windows during the lifespan of win 10 and now win 11.
you know its possible to add these features to firefox right?
you can have vertical tabs in firefox as well
I use Edge at work because the whole place is a Microsoft shop, and it really isn't bad, as a Chrome fanboy, it's basically chrome but has good tab sleep/hibernate, it's good. Plus you can install chrome extensions
I've used Edge for 6 years now and literally never seen the vertical tabs (on Win 10). I just use Edge because it's by far the cleanest and simplest browser that does what I need from it and doesn't add anything unnecessary, and I don't need to add any crucial extensions either except the usual adblock and volume mixer - and it doesn't eat ram :) I really dislike the user experience of both Chrome and Mozilla, and just don't have the incentive to try other stuff like Opera etc.
@@supercool_saiyan5670 maybe so, but firefox is shit!
I actually like edge more than chrome now because of all the customization you can do with the layout. The History pin is great, MUTE TABS which chrome removed is a GOD SEND, clicking on the speaker for a tab mutes it as well, and the memory efficiency of edge is way better than chrome, and you can get all the extensions from the chrome store anyways on edge! But like Linus said you kind of have to be a "power user" to make edge great, but that's like any browser if you want to change the search engine as an example.
Surprisingly… Same. So sick of chrome.
i love edge's native vertical tabs and native PIP player. Vertical tabs make way more sense with my vertical taskbar, and native pip is just nice for any video playback.
@Luca King I used to use Firefox, but for some reason it became very laggy last year so I gave up.
@@ythanzhang You mean last year when M$ started their tryouts with Win11 and implemented a bunch of their shenanigans'? I would check for a Firefox update that corrected that lag,
@Luca King I used to use Firefox for all those same reasons, but the dealbreaker for me is that Firefox cannot open PDFs in browser from URLs without downloading the PDF. With the amount of PDFs I open daily, that is such an annoyance that is has pushed me away from Firefox.
What about Chrome being forced into all Android phones? There should be a video made on that too. Google is much worse when it comes to Anti-Trust.
As a dnd gm i loved that intro. It was. Very well performed