Why we think Microsoft's Windows Recall really sucks
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- Microsoft held its annual Build developer conference this week with that bizarre Copilot+ PC launch tacked on the side.
As many of you have wondered, did no one at Redmond take a look at the Windows Recall feature - which was unveiled during the Arm PC launch with Qualcomm - and say: "Er, this might just backfire?"
To discuss this and more for our latest Kettle episode, we're joined by UK-based vulture Richard Speed, Tobias Mann and Chris Williams over in the US, and your host Iain Thomson. You can replay our post-event catch-up, produced and edited by Nicole Hemsoth Prickett, right here.
We, the NSA, CIA, FSB and the MSS, want to take this occasion to solemnly thank Microsoft for its service and dedication to our organizations. It really makes our work so much easier.
Just imagine all the people we can now destroy with the help of this tool. This is a dream come true. Thank you, Microsoft, thank you so much.
I never realized Microsoft made ads for Linux!
And they will send the normies our way.
I don't want windows user on my Linux.
They have to go back, go back on Windbloat.
@@MarquisDeSang They will choose Ubuntu, meanwhile I will be Gentooing and Arching.
And yet, here are the ads.....for Linux.
FYI, I jumped to Linux Mint over two years ago from Win 10, after using MS since the 80s.
It does help to be retired, and not have to pay attention to workplace requirements.
@@ContantContact Linux is a cozy place for retirement.
@@MarquisDeSang
Agreed. Linux is much less on annoyances. Things work as they were intended and should.
I will add that I do volunteer work as an IT tech. Still quite busy, but with what I want to do.
Big companies will love this Recall feature. What a great way to watch their employees every move.
My company thought that until I pointed out Microsoft can get the data at will alongside the FBI, CIA and so on.
Lets all switch to Linux
Corporates will love this. "Hey copilot. Show me the top 10 employees who spend the most time doing non-work related activities. Okay, send them an email telling them they're fired. Now show me the top 10 employees who took the longest time to accomplish a single task. Send them that email too. And show me the employees who work from home in their pyjamas based on what you've seen on their webcams before they join a meeting..."
Why fire pajama employees? If they meet the 50% or higher in productivity, keep them on staff. The cost to find solid to great employees and train them up is expensive.
Imaginary features? Cool
@@werewookiee Not hard for an employer to use this with a powershell or Pythpn script.
@@akin242002 And analyze what people are wearing using a camera on an ongoing basis and compiling all of that information into one larger database for copilot to still read from?
@@akin242002 It was an example of how a ruthless boss could use Recall against employees if Microsoft provide the ability for corporates to have enterprise level control of it across their domain.
I am retired from IT at work, but...NO WAY can this be allowed on corporate PCs. Security is a MUST.
Should corporate jump to Linux????
Good luck with Brenda and her team in Accounts!
Microsoft desperately need a "Devils Advocate" on their feature team to challenge everything. This feels like a solution in search of a problem.
Absolutely. Way too many yes men over at Microsoft and they desperately need a rewind. Adaptation of Windows 10 is going UP even in the face of general EoL support in 16 months or so.
The level of detachment between what Microsoft wants and the needs of the consumer has never been broader.
Microsoft business model is selling many features for a relative low price that is why they have software suites- no point solutions.. organisations get those MS features pushed to their systems - like it or not- in all the sys updates… so their whole business idea is “ a solution in search of a problem”
Even if some users know to turn the feature off, which most users won't know how to do... imagine Windows updates turning the Recall feature back on without users even being aware.
Bad month for software security.
- Apple holds on to all your naughty photos from 5 years ago.
- Microsoft "Recall" spyware.
- Google being Google.
Glad I use Linux.
Recently did the witch myself. I just gave up on having to put on with windows idiocy and terrible system performance.
I jumped ship as soon as I heard about their Copilot+ PCs and their Microsoft Recall. Microsoft can burn in hell. I don't want a damn video recorder on MY PC!
@@StaceyAyodele what Windows is doing is taking control of your PC. It’s not yours, it’s their and so it’s your data. It’s dark creepy future we live in
I switched over 2 years ago. Not going back.
So am I
Interesting -- Your mention, Iain, at 5:33, of the Vista kerfluffle is what sent me flying to Linux! Thanks for your uninvited review of Microsoft Built !
I can't wait to get my hands on a Copilot+ PC and feed it my smut writer persona on it and see how Copilot can be helpful with my use case to help me reach new erotica narrative heights.
Now, will this help your LEFT HAND, RIGHT HAND OR BOTH (smile)?
It all sounds like a good reason to use Linux.
It's sanctioned surveillance built with the OS, and no matter the technical protections promised the data trove of everything about a users life on that PC/laptop will be too tempting not to be a target for hacking. I'm sure there's been internal Redmnd debates before this was announced, yet still they Recall on centerstage at the event.
AI over my use on the desktop.
I think it is getting more and more rational to go linux.
Just make sure your laptop doesn't have an NPU nor Pluton security installed in the CPU chip hardware.
It's optional, right? And people pay for this feature on Macs.
It would be optional if it were DLC that you had to download like the power toys.
@@musicalneptunian Instead it's like HDR, which is built in but you can turn on and off. So, like optional
are you thick in the head?
@@werewookiee Optional in that you can keep turning it off every time Windows sends an update that turns the feature back on.
We have been here before.
@jedipadawan7023 Once I deactivated Cortana, it never came back. We'll see though.
What's making me crazy about all this is that this further normalizes and enables mass, automated surveillance. Am I the only one? Does anyone at Microsoft or Qualcomm care about this?
I am an ordained monk of the Order of the Penguin. I offer discount exorcisms; I can banish Recall on your PC.
Recall Come out!
I command you in the name of the GNU Lords to leave this computer!
SHTRVZ! vnnd;jkgbn!
This is great evil. We need the holy hand grenade...
There was also the issue of automatic drive encryption by default - if you weren't paying attention during your install process - you could get locked out of your own drive.
Yeah especially with MS now offering BIOS updates in Windows Update...ouch there goes your TPM code! Bitlocker activated!!!!! What could go wrong?!
... and then there's the issue of your smart phone and your new e-car - with the same theme. Let's make 1984 fiction again.
I guess MS loves Linux. Just a great ad for us.
The military industrial complex already implemented all its surveillance tools in everyone’s homes and businesses. Now what is left is so obtrusive the frogs in the pot are starting to notice. This feature is not for the user, it’s for so done trying to find out what the user was up to. Be that your boss or an investigator .
Taking pictures of my property requires my permission.
What about HIPAA in the US?
It's encrypted and entirely stored on the local device. So HIPAA really doesn't become a factor because only the person who created the data (presumably the clinician) has access to any of it. HIPAA concerns itself with the sharing and transmission of protected health information. This does neither of those things.
@@MrThomasC22 wow, how does that Kool-Aid taste?
Microsoft is just spamming openai based copilot functionality across its product lines and ecosystem without any clear sense of value to any segment of the user base. The main distinction here between the copilot functionality already found in other microsoft products and this copilot+ pc is that supposedly the pc version does not require you to pay to access functionality from openai on the cloud. In theory at least, because much of the demo appears to be no different from what google displayed with project gemini which likely is mostly fake. And given that microsoft now forces people to use a microsoft email account when installing windows, how is your microsoft identity and office 365 functionality and other standard copilot features (cloud based) going to be separated from this local copilot functionality? This is why the idea of taking screen shots is more of a gimmick than anything useful making this just another example of microsoft bloatware that provides no real value for average users while continuing to consume more and more resources on your pc, which I am sure is to promote hardware upgrades.
Microsoft is just that..... SOFT Everytime i fire up my Dell I feel cheap. Great video fellas!! Mac and linux all day
I don't think this will make it to Windows proper for a while yet. I think what we have here is another breed of computer and yet another version of Windows for ARM mark II. People still need fast Intel chips (these new chips don't match Intel's best) and Nvidia graphics and so I imagine we will have two concurrent Windows running for the next few years at least. It's only going to be a matter of time though until some civil servant leaves their computer on the train or some foreign power manages to hack in to the server that in a few years we'll find out has been having everyone's data uploaded to it all along.
I'm moving completely to Linux, I have been half way there for years but I think it's time to completely dump MS.
On top of all the other Microsoft nonsense, this is the last straw... finally time to switch to Linux, thanks for the heads up !
People are condition to use windows and will carry on using it even if you turn it of microsoft will turn it on with an update.
The whole video looks like a creation of AI!
Having worked in tech for "a while", I strongly suspect that there were developers and testers who said, "This is bad, it's a privacy nightmare, we shouldn't launch this" only to be told by executives that Recall needs to launch by such-and-such date.
From what I understand, this will be opt-in. You won't be forced to use it and it won't be on by default.
"From what I understand, this will be opt-in"
dude doesn't understand shit then.
@RAM_845 - I don't use an MS account on Windows 11. Never have.
Having a camera pointed at you it’s uncomfortable even if it’s off. Also, it can always be turned on whiteout you knowing. Windows security has more holes than a smelly Swiss cheese
From what I read, Recall is on by default. You can turn it off... allegedly.
However, cyber security experts are worried Microsoft could change their mind with a simple software update 1 year later. Most people won't pay attention after year 1.
@RAM_845 Digital ID is very far from mandatory. What you're saying is like claiming you couldn't use cash anymore ever since credit and debit cards. Also, did everyone get the vaccine? You're saying it was state-sanctioned as mandatory and now everyone has it??!
A solution looking for a problem...! ;)
This about the space requirements?? Not only privacy issues, but giant practical issues and security issues (you all made a great point). Also I don't get the Windows 11 hate (I use it, it's fine and serviceable. I got way more important things to worry about than flipping out about how an OS looks. As long as I can use it or learn how to use it..I am good)). Other than to think it is the same thing when we went from Windows 7 to 10 (we hate change so don't change anything). Also as a hot take, companies are currently throwing things against the wall and trying to see what sticks. Priority seems less about innovation and more about monetizing (Very bad thing)
that first guest speaking... about 1.10, talks about Phantom Menace... did no one speak to the people who made it, this is not very good - well, someone needs to speak to him, Star Wars is for children, its made for children - if this is the intelligence level for this video, I'll give it a miss here!
Microsoft is protecting us from ourselves !
W11 has become and will become even more bloated telemetry ads spyware and subscription filled pile of crap. I miss W7. I said goodbye forever to Windows in 2017 and switched to Linux.
These poorly researched hot takes is the perfect example of half--baked ideas these guys are accusing Microsoft of. Complete waste of time. There is a good discussion of this to be had, but this was incoherent.
Exactly what I was thinking, half of them don't seem to understand what the feature is. The comparisons to Apple time machine (which it is nothing like) and the discussions about cloud security (which it doesn't use) are kind of embarrassing
100% their arguments are hollow and dumb. Recall data is housed on device, this doesn't increase security risk beyond what any person with bad intentions could do getting hold of your device in the first place.
@@robrob8936 How will they get the data? And how/why with all the telemetry they're getting now haven't they exploited this apparently rich vein of "user data"? Recall is a feature like Time Machine but it encompasses what the user is doing rather than the files they are working on, it's limited to what it can capture for now. And it's more useful than Google My Activity which if anyone has ever tried to use, like me, find it incredibly annoying, slow, and not useful at all.
@@robrob8936How does that work? Why would that happen when they have far far more to lose than to gain from this?
@@mike-williams Because Microsoft is run by a bunch of greedy, conniving, slimy people who I don't trust. No one should trust these people.
Microsoft has ties to the government, they can already get away with anti-competitive behaviour with them pushing Edge and Bing and abusing their users.
Are these muppets still crying about Star Wars from 25 years ago ?
The discussions about Recall are not accurate or complete. Too many personal opinions intersect evaluation. Recall's actions work within your system---not the cloud. And every aspect is controllable; if you don't want shots taken of your banking website, or personal activities, you can limit or block these sites. It's just edited to include bad reference to another bad reference. If you prefer Apple, use a fruit device where their biggest upgrade is color. Big Thumbs Down.
And the Microsoft Pluton security processor that is cloud connected?
Those accents are delightful!
The only reason I still use windows is I couldn't get my laptop's graphics working on linux properly. Doesn't feel like there's much reason left to really use it. Feels like the only reason ARM is being brought in, is so they can further lock you into such a terrible closed system
You probably were using the Wayland display server. I suggest switching to Xorg if you use an Nvidia card.
What type of graphics is built into your Laptop? I am just curious.
@@BoothTheGrey A nvidia one that switches over to an AMD igpu. I spent a couple of days trying to get it to work on manjaro, only to keep digging myself a deeper hole. I might try again sometime, but I can't really expect anyone online to handhold me through the whole process lol
Does this apply to government and big business computers or just us little guys ?
Like all the other bloatware, spyware shite MS sticks in Windoze it should be off by default and only on as an option...