I think the rest of the series is fairly priced. I'm not paying $115 for a 100 proofer that most people are saying is decent. I've seen nobody saying this is awesome. A $20 jump from 1920 would have been reasonable.
I would love to try it. I am an Old Forester fan boy. Sadly, I am known for that. LOL. The first time I tried King of Kentucky ----- I knew immediately - it was "home cooking" I can't find the 1924 near me, but I am not sure I want to pay too much over msrp. I love your review of it. Take care
I live in SoCal and can get McKenna, Eagle Rare, 10 year Russels store picks all readily available for half the price of this. I am a huge OF fan but this is gonna be a pass at retail. At this price I can get 4 Roses PSBS and would rather chase the yeast strains than roll the dice on this being worth it!
I got mine a few weeks back (l live in NC), so we were one of the first states. I wasn’t too impressed at first open, but after a week or so it really opened up. I would suggest trying again after letting it breathe for a few weeks. A lot better now. $115 is a lot though 😅
I would name this Kentucky joker because it may be the same mash bill as KoK it definitely does not resemble the couple I’ve had. It seems everyone has the same outlook. Everyone has same remarks, it’s ok, needs to open up, it’s thin. You know a bottle is a hitter when you have the first pour of the bottle and you go damn that’s good.
Im passing on this one. This feels like the next step in companies seeing what they can get away with. Id max out on 85 for this. 115 im out. Its getting away from everything that makes the row series good.
This will be a try before I buy in our case. The stats are good but to see what else I could get with comparable stats for less is what gives me pause.
When you pour from one bottle to another (I often use a funnel for such things) you will be introducing more air into the liquid, and how much air really depends on the method of transfer. No idea how you went about filling the test bottle - but added air could have had the effect you noticed. While a regular funnel will not be as extreme, look up "wine decanting funnel", or "aerating funnel" - those are purposely adding as much air as possible, but even a normal funnel will add more air into the liquid.
I get why this exists. Since they sold the ET brand, B-F needs a product that uses that mashbill. They essentially decided to age ETBiB up to 10 years and release it as an allocation in order to make more ROI from the stock. They have to continue making the mashbill in order to have KoK.
Once a year because it's the barrels that don't hit the KOK profile and get directed to 1924. Now that ETBIB has been sold to Saz they need to do something with the whiskey that's aging that doesn't end up meeting the KOK "standard", or taste profile. Hence let them keep aging and create a new whiskey. Voila 1924. Side by by side this with michters 10 which also is BF product of the same mashbill "supposedly". Interesting comparison.
I have to agree with others saying that $115 MSRP is too high when Knob Creek 12 is available for $70. Also, Russell’s Reserve 10 is available for just $40.
5:53 Malted *barely!* 😂 Typos can definitely be hilarious. 13:38 In my (admittedly limited) experience, some whiskies don't change at all as the level goes down, some get better, a few get worse, and a very few change dramatically, indeed change from glass to glass. Laphroaig 10 is so changeable that out of my current bottle, every single glass has been somewhat different (but all good).
It might be a once a year release BUT they are ramping up the production and release through the year. I think the rumor is that the vast bulk won't actually be to distributors until March/April. There is a mountain of this stuff headed out to stores - the slow trickle that is happening right now is just the tip of the iceberg for the year.
Dang, this one would have to come out about the time that a local store has a OF barrel pick release. I'll get the pick for sure and sometime soon I hope to taste the 1924 and get a chance at a bottle.
Over-priced or not, I’ll buy a bottle for retail price as soon as Insee it on a shelf (or in the fancy, locked, glass cabinet). I just assumed it was the exact same distillate as the rest of the row series, so hearing it’s got a different mash bill makes me want to try it more.
$65 or less, something “unique”and a regular shelf item is the whiskey row theme. This is a special release masquerading as a whiskey row. I want to try it, and I’d buy at a whiskey row price. I think I’ll just blend a 1915 and get the oak and proof.
Could they be using a different yeast for these -- or would the age and slight difference in mash bill result in that much difference in the fruit note (i.e., lack of banana)?
My educated guess is this is comprised of ET barrels that are old enough but not up to KoK standards. I would also wager that it’s going to be older than 10 years for the majority of the blend but they want to give themselves room with a 10 year statement. That’s both room to blend everything down to 10 years and also not step on KoK’s toes. EDIT: commented before I finished the video… lol.
I got to try it at a local bar. While I do think it’s a good bourbon, when you compare the price being almost double the other Whiskey Row bottles and almost triple some other 10 year bourbons (I.e. Russels or Eagle), I just can’t justify the price tag. It’s not that much better IMO
I don’t get the uproar here. Stagg Junior is rejected GT Stagg. Everyone loves it. Weller is rejected pappy. Everyone loves it. Old fitz 10 was $140 retail. Nothing but love. Michter’s 10 retails for 200 and goes for 3x or more than $115. I’d buy 10 M10 if I could find them (haven’t seen one since 2021). The average Birthday Bourbon over the last six years has been 11.2 years old and 100 proof. All that said…I was able to time the trucks and got a few bottles of these. I gave one to a friend at retail but kept all the others. If they really stick to an annual release for this I’ll be hunting it just like I hunt for Birthday. Also don’t be surprised if in 2-3 years it retails for double. My first RR13 was $69.95. Less than two years later it’s $150.
The cost is the killer for this. Once a year?? They missed an opportunity to make it continuous like the rest of the row series. The price point is around $40 over what it should be. Hard Pass OF.
It’s hard for me to justify spending over 100 for something I’m going to drink unless it’s like a special distillery only thing I would get at the distillery.
Yeah, Sara losing her sense of smell and taste really set us back, and had to wait until it was back to 100% before we started blind tasting and scoring again.
All the negative aspects of how this was potentially brought to be makes me wanna pass on this even more. Also, Christin’s $115 to celebrate you selling someone else’s mashbill…? Yeah nope. I’m good.
I think everyone is convincing themselves this is KOK jr. It’s not. The nose is better than palate and all you get on the tongue is oak and spice and a hint of something sweet. Pass on 1924 and stick with 1910, 1920 for half the price
@@LeatherDaddy97 If we're going by specs (which we really all need to stop doing that, probably a video about that coming haha) $115 is better than M10's $185 and less than 100 proof.
Everyone talking about the price. If you want it, buy it. Bourbon prices are all over the place. Comparing ER, Russell’s 10, etc is invalid. Plenty of bottles are at this price point with less than this age statement. There will always be cheaper options. Buy and drink what you enjoy.
Gotta say, i hate the "KoK Jr" and "Birthday Bourbon Jr" titles being given to 1924 and Statesman respectively. Being the same mashbill is only HALF the battle. We all know single barrels vary heavily and neither of these are single barrel products. Simply being the same mashbill doesn't mean the bottles are really comparable. Location in the warehouse, age, and and batching will mean far more for the actual flavor profile than just being the same ratio of grains. Sadly, OF doens't do well with high age. Their heat cycling tends to over oak whiskey and that's the common issue I see with 1924 - the flavor punch is a touch lacking and it's over oaked. The flavor punch is low because they proof the batch down to 100, mostly because at a higher proof the oak would have been unbearable. 1924 is a good cash grab way to utilize those aged barrels that aren't hitting the flavor profile desired for KOK, Presidents, Birthday Bourbon, or LE's. You eventually have to find an outlet for those bottles and a $120 bottle with a 10 year age statement is a good place to dump the barrels taking on too much of the wrong oak profile.
Oh man, who's calling Statesman "Birthday Bourbon Jr"? Well, I guess that could make sense because we are not the biggest fans of Birthday Bourbon and also flat out do not enjoy Statesman. Anyway, your point is well taken, but for us, we called 1924 a KoK Jr only because we did see that through line or tasted some of that "DNA" in it, much more so than some of those lists out there that say "can't find allocated bourbon 'X', then try easy to find bourbon 'Y', it's basically the same thing!" :)
So what they have admitted is that microbatching began in 1924? 😂 As far as naming, I’m more kin to Prince of Kentucky or Kentucky Joker, Purple and Green label?
Just too damn expensive.... I'll take Knob Creek 12 for $65-$75.
Watching the price come crashing down on local flip pages has been delightful. $115 for this, pass. $80 and I’d try it.
I think the rest of the series is fairly priced. I'm not paying $115 for a 100 proofer that most people are saying is decent. I've seen nobody saying this is awesome. A $20 jump from 1920 would have been reasonable.
So Bottles of 1910+1920+Early Times BiB for $115 or a 10y bottle. I'm going with the first option. The price is too high for what it is.
Prince of Kentucky?
Eunuch of Kentucky
At this price, Kentucky Jester... this is a bourbon bubble price that feels about 18 months too late.
I would love to try it. I am an Old Forester fan boy. Sadly, I am known for that. LOL. The first time I tried King of Kentucky ----- I knew immediately - it was "home cooking" I can't find the 1924 near me, but I am not sure I want to pay too much over msrp. I love your review of it. Take care
I live in SoCal and can get McKenna, Eagle Rare, 10 year Russels store picks all readily available for half the price of this. I am a huge OF fan but this is gonna be a pass at retail. At this price I can get 4 Roses PSBS and would rather chase the yeast strains than roll the dice on this being worth it!
I personally feel like this drinks like an M10B small batch. I love it.
I got mine a few weeks back (l live in NC), so we were one of the first states. I wasn’t too impressed at first open, but after a week or so it really opened up. I would suggest trying again after letting it breathe for a few weeks. A lot better now. $115 is a lot though 😅
Same happened to me with the king ranch edition
I would name this Kentucky joker because it may be the same mash bill as KoK it definitely does not resemble the couple I’ve had. It seems everyone has the same outlook. Everyone has same remarks, it’s ok, needs to open up, it’s thin. You know a bottle is a hitter when you have the first pour of the bottle and you go damn that’s good.
Reviewers keep making excuses for its non- spectacularness
@@DBTdad I don't know, I thought it was pretty spectacular without any excuses.
Im passing on this one. This feels like the next step in companies seeing what they can get away with. Id max out on 85 for this. 115 im out. Its getting away from everything that makes the row series good.
100%. I actually did pass on it lol. I passed on Wild Turkey Voyage and Generations for the same reason.
Agreed!
It is honestly delicious. It you look at the pricing schemes this is fairly spot on. JB does $10 per year on average.
@@colinroberts820 yeah and 10 per year is a lot and i often pass on their stuff too.
especially if eagle rare is $40, i get it’s higher proof, but where does the extra $60 come in at?
This will be a try before I buy in our case. The stats are good but to see what else I could get with comparable stats for less is what gives me pause.
When you pour from one bottle to another (I often use a funnel for such things) you will be introducing more air into the liquid, and how much air really depends on the method of transfer. No idea how you went about filling the test bottle - but added air could have had the effect you noticed. While a regular funnel will not be as extreme, look up "wine decanting funnel", or "aerating funnel" - those are purposely adding as much air as possible, but even a normal funnel will add more air into the liquid.
I get why this exists. Since they sold the ET brand, B-F needs a product that uses that mashbill. They essentially decided to age ETBiB up to 10 years and release it as an allocation in order to make more ROI from the stock. They have to continue making the mashbill in order to have KoK.
Once a year because it's the barrels that don't hit the KOK profile and get directed to 1924. Now that ETBIB has been sold to Saz they need to do something with the whiskey that's aging that doesn't end up meeting the KOK "standard", or taste profile. Hence let them keep aging and create a new whiskey. Voila 1924. Side by by side this with michters 10 which also is BF product of the same mashbill "supposedly". Interesting comparison.
I have to agree with others saying that $115 MSRP is too high when Knob Creek 12 is available for $70. Also, Russell’s Reserve 10 is available for just $40.
Just ordered another Hoodie. Love your merch!
Thank you!!
I'm going to stock up on Coopers Craft and Early Times BiB.
5:53 Malted *barely!* 😂 Typos can definitely be hilarious.
13:38 In my (admittedly limited) experience, some whiskies don't change at all as the level goes down, some get better, a few get worse, and a very few change dramatically, indeed change from glass to glass. Laphroaig 10 is so changeable that out of my current bottle, every single glass has been somewhat different (but all good).
0:29 Another addition to the Whiskey Row ... family.
It might be a once a year release BUT they are ramping up the production and release through the year. I think the rumor is that the vast bulk won't actually be to distributors until March/April. There is a mountain of this stuff headed out to stores - the slow trickle that is happening right now is just the tip of the iceberg for the year.
Dang, this one would have to come out about the time that a local store has a OF barrel pick release. I'll get the pick for sure and sometime soon I hope to taste the 1924 and get a chance at a bottle.
Would it be King of Kentucky Jr, or Prince of Kentucky?
Thank you both for the review 🥃
Your theory is sound. It's the same as what they do with Pappy and Wellers.
Over-priced or not, I’ll buy a bottle for retail price as soon as Insee it on a shelf (or in the fancy, locked, glass cabinet). I just assumed it was the exact same distillate as the rest of the row series, so hearing it’s got a different mash bill makes me want to try it more.
$115 Price tag? I will pass on that.
Inflation. Prices are only going to go up
@@SigmaNuHE481 Guess I need to train my palate to like cheap stuff then LOL
@@SigmaNuHE481 its not inflation. Elijah craig 18 was $45 msrp until 2016.
I agree 💯 I wasn't a fan at first, but it definitely opens up tremendously! Another fantastic review 🥃 Cheers y'all!
The "KoK that didn't quite make the cut" story feels a lot like Weller's "Pappy that didn't quite make the cut" story.
Yeah, for sure. And the examples go on and on across a lot of the distilleries.
$65 or less, something “unique”and a regular shelf item is the whiskey row theme. This is a special release masquerading as a whiskey row. I want to try it, and I’d buy at a whiskey row price. I think I’ll just blend a 1915 and get the oak and proof.
It being KoK that didn't make the cut sounds plausible. Isn't Weller just Pappy that didn't make the cut?
My thoughts exactly…
Yes, or WLW that didn't make the cut.
1924 - the Prince of Kentucky!
Could they be using a different yeast for these -- or would the age and slight difference in mash bill result in that much difference in the fruit note (i.e., lack of banana)?
$115 age stated Early Times, pass.
WHISKEY CHEERS 😎
My educated guess is this is comprised of ET barrels that are old enough but not up to KoK standards. I would also wager that it’s going to be older than 10 years for the majority of the blend but they want to give themselves room with a 10 year statement. That’s both room to blend everything down to 10 years and also not step on KoK’s toes.
EDIT: commented before I finished the video… lol.
I got to try it at a local bar. While I do think it’s a good bourbon, when you compare the price being almost double the other Whiskey Row bottles and almost triple some other 10 year bourbons (I.e. Russels or Eagle), I just can’t justify the price tag. It’s not that much better IMO
Passing on this one!
So my local store only got six of these and they're just doing the full fair lottery raffle off of them at MSRP, which is just still way too much.
Hey did you guys ever do a RC or want to do one in the future? Just curious about the picks
Rare Character? Yes, we've done two Exceptional picks that are waiting to be bottled right now!
I was thinking Prince of Kentucky.
Any idea if they announced how many bottles of this were produced?
I think this is a new addition to the whiskey row lineup so theoretically should be a shelfer and not limited.
Have not heard a count but I did hear they are ramping up to release more soon.
I don’t get the uproar here. Stagg Junior is rejected GT Stagg. Everyone loves it. Weller is rejected pappy. Everyone loves it. Old fitz 10 was $140 retail. Nothing but love. Michter’s 10 retails for 200 and goes for 3x or more than $115. I’d buy 10 M10 if I could find them (haven’t seen one since 2021). The average Birthday Bourbon over the last six years has been 11.2 years old and 100 proof.
All that said…I was able to time the trucks and got a few bottles of these. I gave one to a friend at retail but kept all the others. If they really stick to an annual release for this I’ll be hunting it just like I hunt for Birthday.
Also don’t be surprised if in 2-3 years it retails for double. My first RR13 was $69.95. Less than two years later it’s $150.
OF the original NPD?
Big pass on this one! Seems too expensive for what it is.
The cost is the killer for this. Once a year?? They missed an opportunity to make it continuous like the rest of the row series. The price point is around $40 over what it should be. Hard Pass OF.
It’s hard for me to justify spending over 100 for something I’m going to drink unless it’s like a special distillery only thing I would get at the distillery.
at $115.00 bin bin bin
Am I the only one who sees Paul Bearer, on Sara’s top? I can’t not see it!
Stores are charging 200$
I dont know why they didn't sell it as Prince of Kentucky. Or Duke of Kentucky. KENTUCKY KNIGHTS!
Found it in three stores by me, $105, $116 and $199
Too bad bourbon isn’t as competitive as gas station gas prices, right? Haha
Good use of box and whisker Sarah. At $115 this is a pass for me.
Picked this up for 62 today. Might as well have stole it
I keep hoping I’ll find one marked down accidentally 😂
@@MdubMedia it was marked at 22.99 . Refused to sell it to me. Couple phone calls later she came off of it 👍
Do yall anticipate doing a best rye of 2023 list still?
Yeah, Sara losing her sense of smell and taste really set us back, and had to wait until it was back to 100% before we started blind tasting and scoring again.
Great! Appreciate the reply.
Ide take 2 bottles of 1897
Too pricey for what it is. 10 years for 115. I can get eagle rare McKenna etc for half that
Even ECBP is $25 less in my market...
Cash grab... smh
Blind with black cap and new cap Early Times. Throw Knob 12 in as wild card.
I'll buy 3 bottles of Russels reserve 10 year instead, mike drops....
Hard pass when there is other 10yrs half price
Dude that’s 100% early times and they’re trying to pass it off as something new.
Sounds like it's not worth anywhere near its price.
$20 - $30 over OFSBBS to have 30 less proof and a bit more age? Not worth it IMO. It’s probably fine but not something I’ll pick up
I'll stick with two 1920 for the cost of this. Every other ten year is under 50. Hard pass.
All the negative aspects of how this was potentially brought to be makes me wanna pass on this even more. Also, Christin’s $115 to celebrate you selling someone else’s mashbill…? Yeah nope. I’m good.
I think everyone is convincing themselves this is KOK jr. It’s not. The nose is better than palate and all you get on the tongue is oak and spice and a hint of something sweet. Pass on 1924 and stick with 1910, 1920 for half the price
I'm an OF guy. I Appreciate the effort but I'd prefer 2 bottles of 1920.
It’s budget Michters 10
Bold of you to call $115 budget
@@LeatherDaddy97 If we're going by specs (which we really all need to stop doing that, probably a video about that coming haha) $115 is better than M10's $185 and less than 100 proof.
@@ItsBourbonNight i get that, but i think both are overpriced to begin with
@@LeatherDaddy97 Yeah, they are, but both are pretty dang tasty :)
Definitely not worth the price for me, best $50-60 bottle if we could get it for that.... I would pay $80-90 max for a new bottle.
Everyone talking about the price. If you want it, buy it. Bourbon prices are all over the place. Comparing ER, Russell’s 10, etc is invalid. Plenty of bottles are at this price point with less than this age statement. There will always be cheaper options. Buy and drink what you enjoy.
Gotta say, i hate the "KoK Jr" and "Birthday Bourbon Jr" titles being given to 1924 and Statesman respectively. Being the same mashbill is only HALF the battle. We all know single barrels vary heavily and neither of these are single barrel products. Simply being the same mashbill doesn't mean the bottles are really comparable. Location in the warehouse, age, and and batching will mean far more for the actual flavor profile than just being the same ratio of grains.
Sadly, OF doens't do well with high age. Their heat cycling tends to over oak whiskey and that's the common issue I see with 1924 - the flavor punch is a touch lacking and it's over oaked. The flavor punch is low because they proof the batch down to 100, mostly because at a higher proof the oak would have been unbearable. 1924 is a good cash grab way to utilize those aged barrels that aren't hitting the flavor profile desired for KOK, Presidents, Birthday Bourbon, or LE's. You eventually have to find an outlet for those bottles and a $120 bottle with a 10 year age statement is a good place to dump the barrels taking on too much of the wrong oak profile.
Oh man, who's calling Statesman "Birthday Bourbon Jr"? Well, I guess that could make sense because we are not the biggest fans of Birthday Bourbon and also flat out do not enjoy Statesman. Anyway, your point is well taken, but for us, we called 1924 a KoK Jr only because we did see that through line or tasted some of that "DNA" in it, much more so than some of those lists out there that say "can't find allocated bourbon 'X', then try easy to find bourbon 'Y', it's basically the same thing!" :)
So what they have admitted is that microbatching began in 1924? 😂 As far as naming, I’m more kin to Prince of Kentucky or Kentucky Joker, Purple and Green label?
Definite hard pass.
That's ridiculous, I'm out of here 🥴😵💫
Prince of Kentucky?
I like it!