03 The Qibla Database
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- Опубликовано: 24 июн 2023
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As a Muslim I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for discovering the true Kaaba. Muslims have forgotten the reason for Islam, and the reason why God made the Earth as stated in the Quran. It was for Truth to prevail over falsehood. Therefore you are doing the Lord's work, and may you both be blessed. The search for Truth comes with great obstacles, therefore I pray you are kept safe in your search.
Stupid clown 🤡
Empirical data and evidence speaks loudly...
Empirical evidence they weren't very good in that time to calculate orientations.
@@anonymous-rj6ok Muslims are very foolish now a days and have left their common sense Why? If there was NO orientation than why your allah says in your quran You are just an ignorant fool
Read > We will make you turn towards a 'qiblah' that will please you. (Surah al-Baqarah, 2:144)
@@anonymous-rj6ok So, is that the reason the pyramids were oriented so inaccurately? Oh wait, they were accurate! Yes, they did knew how to calculate accurately in the 7th century A.D., as well as even further back than that. The Ancient Greeks knew as well as the Ancient Egyptians. Navigation was very accurate even in 2000 B.C.
@@bryankreinhart Figuring out cardinal orientations is a lot more easy than figuring out the relative orientation from one place to another. Many modern era mosques in the world fail to accurately have the qibla wall face Mecca. Insinuating 7th century mosques never made errors in this matter while 20th and 21st century examples of misalignment are common, is just ludicrous. Furthermore it's a mistake to think everyone in the Levant in the 7th century had equal or superior understanding of astronomy compared to the ancient Greeks and Egyptians. This is proven by the fact many churches from the medieval and renaissance period show bigger misalignment with the north-south axis than the pyramids do. If that doesn't convince you take a look at ancient cartography. The relative orientations from place to place are off by a lot. Yet you seem to believe they perfected this skill in the 7th century.
@@anonymous-rj6ok So, you believe it all can be contributed to coincidence. Got it. All the overwhelming empirical evidence be damned. Yep, that's the view now: empirical and demonstrable evidence means absolutely nothing as opinion and feelings overrides it all.
Please arrange these short videos in Arabic , Urdu and Indonesian language as most populations of Muslims understand these three major languages.
I hope to add some subtitles. But this costs money... and I am now a pensioner... so it may be slow in coming.
@@DanGibsonFilms Hello Dan, I have watched your documentaries and I have seen your chats with other people. I think all these Mosque didn't have any Qibla back then, let alone Makkah or Petra. I think people weren't even concerned about Qibla.
Regarding Petra, I think we have some story or history missing how it relates to early Islam. I think people who lived in Petra, later established Makkah may be due to byzantine Persian wars and the plague.
The facts speak for themselves.
The standard narrative keeps repeats itself to protect itself.
If Petra is the real/original Mecca then what is the original Medina city? What is your thoughts on this Dan? Keep up the great books and videos.
Please go to the website: nabataea.net and download the book. It is free in pdf format. We explain that Medina is Medina. There is no archaeological evidence or textual evidence that anything is different. The only big change was the original Mecca was in southern Jordan and the a new Mecca was started in Saudi Arabia during the 2nd Islamic civil war. The only other city change, is that of Ta'if, which Islamic records tell us... the name and the inhabitants moved to where Ta'if is today. It is all in the book if you care to read.
@@DanGibsonFilms Thank you for the information. I will have to get the book. Do you have a particular video on this?
Another gem 💎
“The birthplace of Islam was in NORTHERN Arabia.” What the Bible calls the land of Uz (the place of Job’s home).
Please also check these mosques with the center of Medina as Qibla
Keep up the good work, new ways of thinking should always be encouraged, this is so interesting 👍
In page 374 of a book by the name of Ghaibat e Nomani, there is a Hadith from Ali Ibn Abi Talib (1st imam of Shia muslims) that mentions the correction of the qibla by the main savior (Al Mahdi) in the end times.
Not all late Quiblas face Mecca. The mosque inside the citadel of Alexandria, Egypt is said to have been of the Memluk period and it's facing North/South. The traditional explanation is that it was buit on the foundation of the Alexandria Pharos, but I never bought into that.
sir Dan how about yathreb muslim always quoting as medina before prophet conquer and slaughter the disbelevers. can you explain thanks
if their intention was to slaughter people from other parts of the world we wouldn’t have had millions of christians and jews in the middle east nowadays. for some reason i think you’re from india.
A lot of early churches were built on pagan shrines. Couldn't early mosques have been built on Nabatean shrines, that were facing Petra?
That is OK but why mosques not facing mkk
@@urbandsouza7279 My speculation is that they were built on previous foundations that were not facing mkk.
Interesting hypothesis. If true, this could coexist with Gibson’s theory that the original Mecca was Petra. And it would still raise questions about the Between mosques and the parallel mosques: if the builders were able to orient so well with these qiblas, why wouldn’t they be able to reorient qiblas in the Petra-facing buildings to face Mecca?
@@martinan22 nabatean pagan temples
Taken by christians so they face petra.that is agreed.
Then why 6 to 8 century newly built mosque why not facing mkk.
That need to know.
@@charlesiragui2473 Well, it is kind of an attack on Gibson's basic premise, at least on the face of it.
I still believe the Petra theory, or at least, northern Arabia theory.
Its just, Gibson made these videos about the Nabateans and how their culture was held together by pilgrimage to Petra. Well, wouldn't they then make their religious buildings face Petra too, if they could, even if they were located in Persia or Italy or something like that?
Dan said on his 90 minute Sacred City video that Bulhari states that a rive runs through Mecca - does anybody have the reference. I evangelsie Jehovah's Witnesses and have over 2,600!!! telephone and zoom discussions with mostly British JW elders uploaded. I've just started to evbangelsie Muslims, I'd appreciate any tips and advice - I have about 12 discussion videos with Muslims uploaded to my channel.
Mohammed claimed he received the following eternal revelation from his god (Allah). Quran 2:144 reads, ‘Verily! We (Allah) have seen the turning of your face toward the heaven; and surely, we shall turn you to a Qibla (a prayer direction) that shall please you.” This verse, in antiquity, argues for only two different directions for early Qiblas: (1) Jerusalem and (2) Mecca. The problem arises when almost all the early Qiblas, within the first 200 years after Mohammed’s death, point to a third city - the ancient City of Petra.
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The second and third problems are just as puzzling: Why are there no archaeological ruins (findings) in Mecca - the first human inhabited city in all of existence - the original home of 90-foot-tall Adam and Eve along with as many as over 124,000 the prophets, or a mention of the City of Mecca on any ancient map before the 10th century A.D.?
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We understand many of Allah’s eternal decrees for mankind - one of which is the “iddah” (or the three months waiting period) for infants before they can get re-married to another husband. Quran 65:4 reads, “As for your women who have no monthly menstruation (i.e., too young to menstruate), their “iddah” (waiting period after divorce) is three months.” How can we inject into our societies these kinds of heathenistic (gruesome and barbaric) practices if we can find no evidence of Mecca, Mohammed, or the Quran existing before the height of the Abbasid Dynasty (or Caliph) in Baghdad, Iraq, in the 10th century A.D.?
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Can you, then, understand our concerns when Islamic theology says, “Muslims, when compared to us, are the superior human beings ever created?” Quran 3:110 reads, “You (Muslims) are the best of people ever raised up for mankind.” In Hadith Riyas as-Salihin 1839, Mohammed, the prophet of Islam, explains Quran 3:110: “The best people for mankind are those who bring them (mankind) with chains around their necks till they embrace Islam…”
It seems the "farthest mosque" is not in Jerusalem, but in Oman or even China
Dan Gibson is at his best when sticking to the data. He wanders away from the truth by believing the Standard Islamic Narrative.
If we only could have your content in german.
In relation to the knowledge of islam Germany is a developing country.
Some of the German research has been essential. Gerd Rüdiger Puin had done great work.
I'm not buying it. I'm not muslim btw but the quran gives clear indicators for locating the qibla. "Indeed, ˹the hills of˺ Ṣafa and Marwah are among the symbols of Allah. So whoever performs the pilgrimage or minor pilgrimage let them walk between ˹the two hills˺. And whoever does good willingly, Allah is truly Appreciative, All-Knowing." Marwa is of course an Arab transliteration of (mount) Moriah. Safa is from Greek and indicates a vantage point ("Lookout Mount"), we know this by its Latin name: Mount Scopus (scopus being the Latin equivalent of Greek Sapha and named after a Roman watch tower situated on that mount in the past). Mount Scopus was known to the Jews as Har HaTsofim. There is no doubt whatsoever Jerusalem was the original Qibla and this database demonstrates nothing else but the poor ability to calculate geographic orientations in that era. PS: Sapha is mentioned in Josephus Jewish antiquities on the (fictional) visit of Alexander to Jerusalem. Mount Moriah is the place where Abraham offered his own son, Isaac, upon the altar. Petra has zero Abrahamic significance. Case closed.
@anonymous Abdul, you can deny as much as you want that Islam came from pagan origin. Mhmd himself was pagan for 39 years of his life and he did sacrificed "to al Uzza two white sheep" when he was pagan So let go your foolishness and learn from this channel Ok?
@@childofgod4862 Abdul? Lol. I didn't even mention Muhammed. Interestingly, even the Quran hardly mentions Muhammed. Most surah interpreted by modern scholars are in fact recounting stories of Elijah and Moses. But again, you're commenting off-topic. My comment was on the qiblah not Muhammed. PS: the hadith are hearsay you shouldn't take those seriously.
@@anonymous-rj6ok Like an Abdul you disregarded the Hadith even though your allah said in your quran > Sura 53:3 وَمَا يَنطِقُ عَنِ الْهَوَىٰ
Whatver Mhmd says, is revelation Thus when you disregard Hadith means you do not believe in Islam
1st islam has nothing do with the God of the Bible Ok?
I don't care about the directions Ok? Like Mhmd, you have some imagination to connect Islam with God of the Bible Correct?
@@childofgod4862 Once again I'm not a muslim and my name is not Abdul. Are you on drugs??? Furthermore your argument saying Islam originated from paganism is utter BS. The entire Quran is filled with references to Abrahamic figures.
@@childofgod4862 Here's a list of Abrahamic figures in the Quran: Prophet Adam (Adam): Considered the first human being and the father of all mankind.
Prophet Noah (Nuh): Warned his people about the impending flood and built an ark to save believers and animals.
Prophet Abraham (Ibrahim): Known for his unwavering faith and obedience to God. He is considered the father of monotheism.
Prophet Lot (Lut): Sent to the people of Sodom and Gomorrah, he warned them against their sinful acts.
Prophet Ishmael (Ismail): The first son of Prophet Abraham, who was born to Hagar, Sarah's handmaid.
Prophet Isaac (Ishaq): The second son of Prophet Abraham, born to his wife Sarah.
Prophet Jacob (Ya'qub): The son of Prophet Isaac and the father of the twelve tribes of Israel.
Prophet Joseph (Yusuf): Known for his story of being sold into slavery by his brothers and eventually becoming a minister in Egypt.
Prophet Moses (Musa): Received the divine revelation and was sent to Pharaoh to demand the release of the Israelites from bondage.
Prophet Aaron (Harun): Moses' brother, who assisted him in his mission and was also a prophet.
Prophet David (Dawud): Known for his kingship and his Psalms.
Prophet Solomon (Sulaiman): The son of David, known for his wisdom and wealth.
Prophet Job (Ayyub): Faced severe trials and remained patient, ultimately being rewarded by God.
Prophet Jonah (Yunus): Swallowed by a large fish after trying to flee from his mission, he later repented and was released.
Prophet John the Baptist (Yahya): Known for his righteousness and preparing the way for Jesus.
Prophet Jesus (Isa): A central figure in Christianity, he is considered a prophet and the Messiah in Islam.
Prophet Muhammad (Muhammad): The final prophet and the recipient of the Quranic revelations.
Are those Pagan figures you dufus? Islam is one of three abrahamic religions. It's astonishing you seem unaware of this and even more silly you're trying to dispute this.