I don't think Giamatti wanted to ban him for life. But when he saw the Dowd Report and all that damning evidence, he had no choice. Just by watching this, I can tell how much it hurt him to do it
Yes but he was a chainsmoker at like 3 packs a day and overweight. I don’t like people blaming Pete Rose for that. You can see the bags under his eyes. He looks stressed out and probably didn’t sleep at all the night before
You can tell it hurt him to speak about this. But he did what he had to do when confronted with the Dowd Report. I think he would have destroyed the steroid era too
I love that this man, in honor of keeping up the integrity of the game just as Kennesaw mountain landis had done with the black sox. Today we have Robert Manfred who is a disgrace to the commissioners office. He will not do anything to punish the cheating Houston Astros who won a World Series illegitimately. Instead he seeks to Destroy baseball with a lust that would make Dahmer look tame. He has now threatened to walk away from minor league baseball even after he has treated them like his Frankenstein monster to experiment with his pitching clocks. Robot Umps. 3 batter minimums. The damage he is doing is great. Robert Manfred is THE greatest villain in THE HISTORY OF MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL. if he isn’t removed he will destroy the game and rebuild it in his corrupt image.
Derrand Clean Logic not saying he isn’t a bad commissioner. I agree with that. But he punished the Astros as hard as the rules allow him to, the only thing he could have done worse was ban certain people for life (which still may happen since we are waiting on the Red Sox report to come out Cora who lead everything may have a lifetime ban) the players couldn’t be tougher due to the union and MLB giving them immunity, and Hinch and Luhnow got suspended even though they didn’t participate in the cheating, they just didn’t stop it. Now Manfred still is a horrible commissioner. He let the cheating happen. He could have made sure it didn’t happen back in 2017 but he let it continue anyway. Other teams have cheated and probably are going to cheat this year but he turns away and let’s it happen because he wants baseball to get more views. A MLB employee went to every stadium after the warning were handed out in 2017 about not using electronics. The guy who went to Houston was told to listen for banging. They knew the Astros were cheating and he wasn’t going to do anything till his hand was forced. Same with the Yankees and Red Sox back in 2017. He told the two teams to stay quiet and handle it behind closed doors but the Yankees went public with what was going on. Views for the World Series have been going down. Especially in the past decade. The Astros and dodgers had the second highest viewed series in the last decade (cubs v Indians is 1st) so why bust a team for cheating when he could make money instead? The more I look into things past the Astros, it looks worse for Manfred.
I agree but im from New Haven,CT. He treated the Yale union workers terrible during the strike when he was president there. He handled this good though. As far as Manfred I do like the rules with pitch clock that started last year that speed up the game. I like the universal DH. I hate the 3 batter minimum pitcher rule. They should at least get rid of it now in the postseason. They should not have changed any rules for the postseason. The drama that builds during at bats in close games is exciting but only in postseason play.
For some reason, I'm always a bit shocked to learn that Bart Giamatti is Paul Giamatti's dad. I think that the older that Paul gets, the more and more he looks like Bart (especially on those Volkswagon commercials of late).
I’m glad I found this highly intelligent comment. The interesting part is that John Dowd is on record having said in 1999 that Giamatti was willing to work with him if he came clean and admitted his wrongdoing. He indicated that Giamatti would have in all likelihood left the door open for him to return if he reconfigured his lifestyle, and while he did seem to be doing that up until 1990 (community service in Cincinnati, for instance), he hasn’t since that time.
+aeromedical67 You got that right, he deserved to be banned from baseball, there was overwhelming evidence against him, like betting slips in his handwriting, and phone calls made to bookies as well, he did break the cardinal rule of baseball, not to bet on games in which his own team plays, no matter if he was a player, owner, manager, and so on!!!
Rule 21 has worked beautifully. How many players since Pete have been banned for betting on baseball? None. Not only that, but Pete’s not sorry at all about what he did. He’s living out in Las Vegas and is still betting on sports.
Fantasy baseball, MLB team expansion potentially in Las Vegas and other contradictions like steroids and trash cans, no one gives a dam anymore. Reinstall Pete Rose. Most hits in MLB and not in the HOF, but we got other shady characters on the podiums?
I read that Bart Giamatti had Chron's disease. He was also a heavy smoker. He also suspended Pete Rose for 30 days in 1988 for shoving umpire Dave Pallone.
You got that right, he did break the Cardinal rule of baseball, by betting on games in which his own team plays, when he was a player and a manager!!!!
grgoldner Yes. There was actually a doctor who tried to contact Giamatti because he noticed in the media that Giamatti’s fingernails were clubbed, which is a tell-tale sign that a person is about to have a heart attack.
Giamatti died eight days later of a heart attack. He doesn't look all that good in this video, does he? Or was it a Peat Rose curse that killed him ? But I always wondered how an English professor ends up Commissioner of baseball. Strange.
How? Because he was a brilliant individual who loved the game with a passion and worked himself up the ranks. Who cares if he was once a teacher, a medical doctor or what have you.
Sometimes, there are natural leaders. Giamatti had become President of Yale at just the age of 40, while still a professor of English. He would be president for 8 years, including navigating Yale through a clerical strike in 1984-5, before he resigned to become the President of the National League, where he served for 2 seasons before his final post as MLB Commissioner.
Most sporting events are fixed, too much money passes through the hands of powerful people for it not to be. There may be only 2 sports that are exempt from this rule of thumb, motor racing because of the sheer speed involved makes it near impossible to rig and baseball because of the stances of Kennesaw Mountain Landis and Bart Giamatti....
I'm not sure I buy that. There may have been scapegoats to make it seem clear and on the level, but I bet there is still manipulating that exists. Umpires alone could do it.
Giamatti’s been dead for years, and as far as I am concerned, they can take the piece of paper Giamatti’s ruling of Rose’s ban is on and go wipe their behind with it, for it isn’t worth crap. Rose needs to be in the hall of fame!
The hall of fame shouldn't be a house of perfection, who gives a shit if he bet on baseball? He's one of the best players of all time and deserves to be in the HOF.
The Dowd Report, a 225-page report on betting in baseball, was the basis. Pete Rose himself ultimately admitted to those acts in his book, My Prison Without Bars.
He gave Rose a chance to come clean. He told Rose to reconfigure his life. What he said at @1:25 -
Interesting note…Bart Giamatti is the father of actor and Academy Award Nominee Paul Giamatti.
Eight days after this news conference this commissioner Bar Giamatti died of a heart attack.
I was 7 when this happened. The reason I remembered this so well is those powerful words.
Giamatti died of a massive heart attack barely a week after this press conference.
I don't think Giamatti wanted to ban him for life. But when he saw the Dowd Report and all that damning evidence, he had no choice. Just by watching this, I can tell how much it hurt him to do it
Tom Branham He had a lethal heart attack just eight days after this press conference.
Yes but he was a chainsmoker at like 3 packs a day and overweight. I don’t like people blaming Pete Rose for that. You can see the bags under his eyes. He looks stressed out and probably didn’t sleep at all the night before
Who would have guessed that just a week after banning Mr. Rose from baseball, A. Bartlett Giamatti would die
suddenly of a heart attack at age 51?
There are some who say that Rose had Bart stressed out and contributed to his death.
+redfestiva The fact that Commissioner Giamatti was a heavy duty smoker certainly didn't help.
+Terrence Clay That is certainly true. I'm just saying that those involved claim he was pretty stressed over the situation.
Well, just looking at him, he seemed to be at risk. I'd have guessed him to be 65 years old and not 51.
You can tell it hurt him to speak about this. But he did what he had to do when confronted with the Dowd Report. I think he would have destroyed the steroid era too
8 days later, Giamatti died suddenly.
Wouldn't say suddenly. His heart was aching all along due to this
I love that this man, in honor of keeping up the integrity of the game just as Kennesaw mountain landis had done with the black sox. Today we have Robert Manfred who is a disgrace to the commissioners office. He will not do anything to punish the cheating Houston Astros who won a World Series illegitimately. Instead he seeks to Destroy baseball with a lust that would make Dahmer look tame. He has now threatened to walk away from minor league baseball even after he has treated them like his Frankenstein monster to experiment with his pitching clocks. Robot Umps. 3 batter minimums. The damage he is doing is great. Robert Manfred is THE greatest villain in THE HISTORY OF MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL. if he isn’t removed he will destroy the game and rebuild it in his corrupt image.
Derrand Clean Logic not saying he isn’t a bad commissioner. I agree with that. But he punished the Astros as hard as the rules allow him to, the only thing he could have done worse was ban certain people for life (which still may happen since we are waiting on the Red Sox report to come out Cora who lead everything may have a lifetime ban) the players couldn’t be tougher due to the union and MLB giving them immunity, and Hinch and Luhnow got suspended even though they didn’t participate in the cheating, they just didn’t stop it. Now Manfred still is a horrible commissioner. He let the cheating happen. He could have made sure it didn’t happen back in 2017 but he let it continue anyway. Other teams have cheated and probably are going to cheat this year but he turns away and let’s it happen because he wants baseball to get more views. A MLB employee went to every stadium after the warning were handed out in 2017 about not using electronics. The guy who went to Houston was told to listen for banging. They knew the Astros were cheating and he wasn’t going to do anything till his hand was forced. Same with the Yankees and Red Sox back in 2017. He told the two teams to stay quiet and handle it behind closed doors but the Yankees went public with what was going on. Views for the World Series have been going down. Especially in the past decade. The Astros and dodgers had the second highest viewed series in the last decade (cubs v Indians is 1st) so why bust a team for cheating when he could make money instead? The more I look into things past the Astros, it looks worse for Manfred.
WOW!
I agree but im from New Haven,CT. He treated the Yale union workers terrible during the strike when he was president there. He handled this good though. As far as Manfred I do like the rules with pitch clock that started last year that speed up the game. I like the universal DH. I hate the 3 batter minimum pitcher rule. They should at least get rid of it now in the postseason. They should not have changed any rules for the postseason. The drama that builds during at bats in close games is exciting but only in postseason play.
Whos here after the Astros cheating scandal?
Give a brother a like huh
For some reason, I'm always a bit shocked to learn that Bart Giamatti is Paul Giamatti's dad. I think that the older that Paul gets, the more and more he looks like Bart (especially on those Volkswagon commercials of late).
now they want u to bet on sports
Yet the Steroid Era was just around the corner.
Two weeks later, Giamatti died of a heart attack. I guess that's what killed him.
Why is Giamatti a "son of a bitch"?
He killd himself chain smoking and inner stress. He looked 80
Pete had plenty of opportunities
Dowd was semi corrupt. Faye Vincent too. These 3 men could b defeated in court
Pete Rose needs to look in the mirror and confront his own worst enemy.
I’m glad I found this highly intelligent comment. The interesting part is that John Dowd is on record having said in 1999 that Giamatti was willing to work with him if he came clean and admitted his wrongdoing. He indicated that Giamatti would have in all likelihood left the door open for him to return if he reconfigured his lifestyle, and while he did seem to be doing that up until 1990 (community service in Cincinnati, for instance), he hasn’t since that time.
Pete Rose should'nt have gambled on his own team, period!!!!
+aeromedical67 You got that right, he deserved to be banned from baseball, there was overwhelming evidence against him, like betting slips in his handwriting, and phone calls made to bookies as well, he did break the cardinal rule of baseball, not to bet on games in which his own team plays, no matter if he was a player, owner, manager, and so on!!!
He shouldn't have gambled on any team, period.
i wonder what you're thinking now
@@1981lashlarue True!!!
Rule 21 has worked beautifully. How many players since Pete have been banned for betting on baseball? None. Not only that, but Pete’s not sorry at all about what he did. He’s living out in Las Vegas and is still betting on sports.
Once baseball players started making millions of dollars playing a kids game then i think that in itself stained the game.
Yeah but you can’t let the owners have all the money .
All actions like this are business decisions, the "game" has nothing to do with it.
Fantasy baseball, MLB team expansion potentially in Las Vegas and other contradictions like steroids and trash cans, no one gives a dam anymore. Reinstall Pete Rose. Most hits in MLB and not in the HOF, but we got other shady characters on the podiums?
Did he say "debated and discussed" or "debated in disgust"?
I read that Bart Giamatti had Chron's disease. He was also a heavy smoker. He also suspended Pete Rose for 30 days in 1988 for shoving umpire Dave Pallone.
Rose is permanently banned from MLB and shall remain ineligible for the Hall of Fame for all time.
You got that right, he did break the Cardinal rule of baseball, by betting on games in which his own team plays, when he was a player and a manager!!!!
Adam did you get your jimmys rustled by your dad? weirdo
lol troll
Didn't Bart die like a week later?
yes. He looks terrible here for 51 yrs old.
grgoldner Yes. There was actually a doctor who tried to contact Giamatti because he noticed in the media that Giamatti’s fingernails were clubbed, which is a tell-tale sign that a person is about to have a heart attack.
It’s an honest game of integrity!
Oh yeah right - is this a joke?
@@riverview9320 no but yeah it’s a joke I think he should be in hall of fame
@@gturcott1 - Agree.
Giamatti died eight days later of a heart attack. He doesn't look all that good in this video, does he? Or was it a Peat Rose curse that killed him ? But I always wondered how an English professor ends up Commissioner of baseball. Strange.
He was also President of Yale University, and then President of the National League. So it's not like he went straight from one to the other.
How? Because he was a brilliant individual who loved the game with a passion and worked himself up the ranks. Who cares if he was once a teacher, a medical doctor or what have you.
Sometimes, there are natural leaders. Giamatti had become President of Yale at just the age of 40, while still a professor of English. He would be president for 8 years, including navigating Yale through a clerical strike in 1984-5, before he resigned to become the President of the National League, where he served for 2 seasons before his final post as MLB Commissioner.
Most sporting events are fixed, too much money passes through the hands of powerful people for it not to be. There may be only 2 sports that are exempt from this rule of thumb, motor racing because of the sheer speed involved makes it near impossible to rig and baseball because of the stances of Kennesaw Mountain Landis and Bart Giamatti....
I'm not sure I buy that. There may have been scapegoats to make it seem clear and on the level, but I bet there is still manipulating that exists. Umpires alone could do it.
Giamatti’s been dead for years, and as far as I am concerned, they can take the piece of paper Giamatti’s ruling of Rose’s ban is on and go wipe their behind with it, for it isn’t worth crap. Rose needs to be in the hall of fame!
The hall of fame shouldn't be a house of perfection, who gives a shit if he bet on baseball? He's one of the best players of all time and deserves to be in the HOF.
Bart the fart.
Judge Landis’s edict.
Pete Rose belongs in the Hall Of Fame
+aeromedical67 Hmmmmm, but I guess it's OK for piece of shit football players to beat their wives and kill dogs and they're still allowed to play?!
He does but, because he broke probably the strictest law in all of sports. he won't live to see that happen.
Only as a paying visitor.
Based on no evidence. I only believe he bet on baseball. Lifetime ban. This guy was a joke
The Dowd Report, a 225-page report on betting in baseball, was the basis. Pete Rose himself ultimately admitted to those acts in his book, My Prison Without Bars.