My favorite is when people tell you not to buy a particular brand and to buy the brand that has literally caused the discussion in the first place. OE has literally costed gm and mopar customers a billion dollars
AD lifters are Mopar 4th revision lifters installed to Gen 3 Hemi from around 2018 onwards. Same lifters fitted to HC. No different lifter designation for Hellcat Hemi. All same lifter. Reason for bigger roller bearings fitted to AC and AD lifters was to address early life failure needle bearings in Roller. gen 3 Hemi upto 2015 would likely have lifter roller failure early, and damage to cam lobe resulting in misfire.
wrong wrong and wrong.... 2016 cars and up got the AD lifters... you obviously dont know what an Eagle engine is, thats why they put in bigger needle bearings to handle the lift...
@@darthhemi1735 2016 production used larger needle bearings that’s for sure, but MOPAR switched suppliers 2018. Not sure if 2016/17 lifters had metallurgy or ongoing quality issue for switch.
@@darthhemi1735 get your facts straight. Lifters superceded many times. AD lifters were first used in trucks/SUV's in factory production beginning in January of 2019. Cars got them in March of 2019. They became available for order as service replacements for ALL 2005 - 2018 3G Hemi V8 engines beginning in July of 2019. Melling was the OEM vendor for lifters in 2016 - 2018. The new AD lifters are not made by Melling.
@@UnionThugg lol you have no clue, AD lifters have been out forever dude... I bought AD lifters in 17 fool... get your facts straight... So the factory in Germany making the lifters was sold? unless FCA is selling lifters to Melling to rebrand :)
I had an MDS lifter cease and ate through the cam on a 2015 GC SRT with 124000 miles on it. The lifters were the AA variant. Switched to enginetech non mds lifters. Idle oil pressure is 2.1 bar instead of 2.2 previously.
i dont know how it operates t higher rpm... it will just splash more down on the cam but is that good? if its losing pressure in that area its not pushing oil where it should be, namely up to the top of the lifter. How did you have AA lifters? they weren't making them in 15
@@darthhemi1735 Oil pressure sits at 3.8 bar when doing 80mph. So I think the pressure is no issue. As per the lifters being AA variant, I assure you those were the ones I have. Might be an export thing? I am overseas after all.
@@malamri424 interesting, They might be a overseas part number. AA was phased out in 2008. I would think the oil pressure still remains high enough to push out the top but I would be concerned, its why i wouldn't run them. They are monkeying around with stuff they shouldn't imho. Did they test like Chrysler tested? they obviously didnt
I work in this industry and these are definitely not Enginetech lifters and Melling no longer makes hemi lifters at all. Look at the markings on the body of the lifter and you can tell they are not the Enginetech or Melling.
My favorite is when people tell you not to buy a particular brand and to buy the brand that has literally caused the discussion in the first place. OE has literally costed gm and mopar customers a billion dollars
What size is the oil plunger internally
AD lifters are Mopar 4th revision lifters installed to Gen 3 Hemi from around 2018 onwards. Same lifters fitted to HC. No different lifter designation for Hellcat Hemi. All same lifter. Reason for bigger roller bearings fitted to AC and AD lifters was to address early life failure needle bearings in Roller. gen 3 Hemi upto 2015 would likely have lifter roller failure early, and damage to cam lobe resulting in misfire.
wrong wrong and wrong.... 2016 cars and up got the AD lifters... you obviously dont know what an Eagle engine is, thats why they put in bigger needle bearings to handle the lift...
@@darthhemi1735 2016 production used larger needle bearings that’s for sure, but MOPAR switched suppliers 2018. Not sure if 2016/17 lifters had metallurgy or ongoing quality issue for switch.
@@darthhemi1735 get your facts straight.
Lifters superceded many times. AD lifters were first used in trucks/SUV's in factory production beginning in January of 2019. Cars got them in March of 2019. They became available for order as service replacements for ALL 2005 - 2018 3G Hemi V8 engines beginning in July of 2019.
Melling was the OEM vendor for lifters in 2016 - 2018. The new AD lifters are not made by Melling.
@@UnionThugg lol you have no clue, AD lifters have been out forever dude... I bought AD lifters in 17 fool... get your facts straight... So the factory in Germany making the lifters was sold? unless FCA is selling lifters to Melling to rebrand :)
WHERE DO YOU FIND HELLCAT LIFTERS FOR 80.00!?!???
I can only find HELLCAT Lifters for 500.00 a set!
well first of all go to summit. they are only 100$ a set. I actually got my full set for 200$ and they are melling hellcats
I had an MDS lifter cease and ate through the cam on a 2015 GC SRT with 124000 miles on it. The lifters were the AA variant. Switched to enginetech non mds lifters. Idle oil pressure is 2.1 bar instead of 2.2 previously.
i dont know how it operates t higher rpm... it will just splash more down on the cam but is that good? if its losing pressure in that area its not pushing oil where it should be, namely up to the top of the lifter. How did you have AA lifters? they weren't making them in 15
@@darthhemi1735 Oil pressure sits at 3.8 bar when doing 80mph. So I think the pressure is no issue. As per the lifters being AA variant, I assure you those were the ones I have. Might be an export thing? I am overseas after all.
@@malamri424 interesting, They might be a overseas part number. AA was phased out in 2008. I would think the oil pressure still remains high enough to push out the top but I would be concerned, its why i wouldn't run them. They are monkeying around with stuff they shouldn't imho. Did they test like Chrysler tested? they obviously didnt
787AA98778 can you find out which lifter is this
got a picture? That's making no hits.
I work in this industry and these are definitely not Enginetech lifters and Melling no longer makes hemi lifters at all. Look at the markings on the body of the lifter and you can tell they are not the Enginetech or Melling.
Melling makes the OEM lifters... or are you saying there's another German factory making hellcat lifters? :) with the same exact markings
@@darthhemi1735 Melling is made in the USA, based in Michigan. The only markings I see on your lifters seem to be a MOPAR number.
No idea what your point was.
its in the title man... Hellcat (AD) lifters vs the others...
I’ve still seen issues with all lifters
yes roller lifters can all have issues, GM even aftermarket
hellcat lifter $80 TO &100 TRY $600
some of us know where to buy car parts :)
I have melling in mine they sound like shit. They claim they get them form same manufacturer as fsctory. German I believe
they are OEM, melling makes em, what oil and filter are you using?